If you want to see more insane tactics, check out: @ThePlaymaker57 Video here: ruclips.net/video/QEaaRMC2PxI/видео.html (He ended up not using this trick but anyways xD)
Possible explanation for the low dev of Como, is the vassals exploiting dev, as the mil dev never really changed. Since the vassals got larger, then they might have wanted to build a larger army. I do not know how often the AI exploits dev, and if they even do it. I cannot see any other possible explanation, as it is specifically the mil dev that stays the same.
If that were the case, it should still get half the improvement of the other provinces, though, since only half of the holy orders were applied with a subject. But the other provinces improved by 19 while como improved only 4 times. That's 15 dev missing when subjects only owned it 9 or 10 times. Unless I'm missing something?
The Mamluks have a "Holy Order" that gives -10 dev cost AND discount on state maintenance, and any country can become the Mamluks (which is worth it for their mission tree) by flipping to Algiers or Morocco or Tunis, then changing to the tier 1 Barbary Iqta government reform, which unlocks the decision to install the Mamluk government. You can do that while being Christian as well. heck, you can even do this as the HRE Emperor. Just make sure you flip back to a proper monarchy government form before the month ticks over.
To utilize this strategy to the fullest, you could pick a state with 6 provinces instead of 5, that itself would be +20% more development from this method per click edit: It turned out that there is no state with more than 5 provinces in the game, so you can't optimize it this way
@@thestudentYT Huh, I thought that there were some states that have 6 provinces, but I checked the file and there is none. I'm correcting my comment now
@@thestudentYT the holy order exploit isn't fixed, you can still swap back and forth with Andulusian culture and 50/50 muslim/catholic ratio and each month cash in +1 stability and one free holy order local organisation
@@VittamarFasuthAkbin WTF are you talking about?? I just went into EU4 and I tested exactly what you said and apart from the fact that you always lose all of your prestige and crownland switching religion... It didn't work! And not that I said that it did't work but how the hell could you come in and anwser my comment with such a bold confidence of telling me that "the holy order exploit isn't fixed" when it is so totally fixed that it takes an entire 5 minutes to proof that it is fixed!! What the hell, I have never expierienced such a crazy opinionated WRONG comment as yours here... and that means a lot, trust me hahaha xD And btw what does "cash in +1 Stability and one free holy order" even mean?
@@thestudentYT You have to wait one month for the change to take effect. I just tested it again. Pick Granada, use the order, change to catholizism, wait one month, here you go. The extra stability is when your capital is sunni and you have the majority sunni religion.
@@thestudentYT btw it also still works both ways; With culture switching as well as religious, depending on the conditions from the local organisations. The event I'm mentioning is 'Adopt Islam as the State Religion'. You need to make sure to have the "separate clergy from the state reform" (4th tier) or play as nomad to not lose crownland.
Could you use this to also boost your capital? I've noticed that you could concentrate development in your vassal's state. Would that work repeatedly in the long run?
The "annexed vassal" debuf has a cool-down, I think 10 years. Just the right amount of time to reset with a bunch of new client states to do this again. Rinse, repeat.
had an idea after seeing your idea on playmaker's video with decolonizing and using american frontiers - forming england with GB missions and stacking the +development boost for colony modifiers, to get insane dev all across the world - I think +6 in each category is the best you can do. There was a bug where if you had Mandate of heaven DLC disabled, it went to +60 instead
I'd assume it also works with the Qing state interaction thing, Can't recall what its called but I believe its unlocked through missions. Could allow for combination with Korea's natural ability to be like 1k dev from the AI cranking it to get an insane amount of dev there reasonably easy. Japan has plenty of OPMs to feed for this to get it right up there.
After checking it again, it can't be exploiting dev, since you gain 2 mil dev per subject on each cycle, and there is a cd when the province owner doesn't change. My guess why the province at least gained 4 or so dev is, that it only loses mil dev and you hit 1 mil dev eventually. The gain in adm and dip dev is the same as in the other 4 provinces
@@thestudentYT no idea, Found an older reddit thread with the same problem, but with also no explanation for that behaviour. But otherwise i can't explain that behaviour
i would not have the slightest idea why como got stuck at 25 dev but opm's getting provinces outside their capital state and stealing manpower by lowering development from their lowest developed province doesn't sound totally implausible.
@@thestudentYT see what happens at the one minute mark. It's just noise, nothing meaningful on the screen because of the speed - not that what happens on the screen was in any way related to what you were saying, just an avalanche of images, at high speed. During that time you might have shown a screenshot, and just talked about what you were going to - or shown pictures of clouds. anything would have been better.
@@gabrieliordache296 I see what you mean but I still think that it is better than an Intro with a completly standing still Picture... but I hope that you could just scip the Intro and enjoy the Rest of the Video at least a bit :)
Is it possible to feed a vassal like Mantua all of your states in Northern Italy, France, and Iberia (assuming you owned those lands)? Get the holy order dev buff for all of those states with one vassal, annex them, then feed all of those states to another vassal. This could reduce the overhead of relations cap and you can raise dev over a wide area with fewer steps.
Did you notice that only 4 of your 5 provinces get more dev? Como always lags behind. It started with 21 and is 25 at the end while the others end at 50. So only 4 to Como and 19 to all other 4. Why is that? It is the only mountain province.
@@thestudentYT yeah idk, its just an idea... i ve never seen the ai use exploit dev on farm / grasslands etc. but i ve witnessed it happening in hills n mountains, but that can be a coincedence, i am by no means an eu4 expert like you --> was just a guess some clausewitz spaghetticoding is prolly more plausible :P
If you want to see more insane tactics, check out: @ThePlaymaker57 Video here: ruclips.net/video/QEaaRMC2PxI/видео.html
(He ended up not using this trick but anyways xD)
Ran out of time to demonstrate this trick, But I used another trick from your channel, hopefully its okay 😂
I am feeling called out :(
@inutamer365 no :(
@inutamer365 fine
❌ 🍋 🍰 why did he do you like that 😂
@@jric6283 :(
If you are the king people will come for you :)
I'm waiting till The Student completely master every corner of EU4 and change his name to The Teacher
Oh man, clicking on a TheStudent video and then hearing RedHawks voice was really mind-bending for a second there.
The student: sober
The playmaker: hammered
Lemon cake: has a nice cold pint at the Winchester waiting for this all to blow over.
Possible explanation for the low dev of Como, is the vassals exploiting dev, as the mil dev never really changed. Since the vassals got larger, then they might have wanted to build a larger army. I do not know how often the AI exploits dev, and if they even do it. I cannot see any other possible explanation, as it is specifically the mil dev that stays the same.
If that were the case, it should still get half the improvement of the other provinces, though, since only half of the holy orders were applied with a subject. But the other provinces improved by 19 while como improved only 4 times. That's 15 dev missing when subjects only owned it 9 or 10 times. Unless I'm missing something?
@@skanderbeg152he's talking about exploit dev, not concentrate dev
@@juncheok8579 I never mentioned concentrate. Exploiting has a cool down, so each subject could only have done it once.
Venice has also an holy order since the update that also conveniently gives -10 dev cost.
The Mamluks have a "Holy Order" that gives -10 dev cost AND discount on state maintenance, and any country can become the Mamluks (which is worth it for their mission tree) by flipping to Algiers or Morocco or Tunis, then changing to the tier 1 Barbary Iqta government reform, which unlocks the decision to install the Mamluk government.
You can do that while being Christian as well. heck, you can even do this as the HRE Emperor. Just make sure you flip back to a proper monarchy government form before the month ticks over.
TheStudent, Yay! I liked this video so much, it made me smile!
To utilize this strategy to the fullest, you could pick a state with 6 provinces instead of 5, that itself would be +20% more development from this method per click
edit: It turned out that there is no state with more than 5 provinces in the game, so you can't optimize it this way
Is there even any state with 6 Provinces in Game?
Probably a few random new world ones@@thestudentYT
@@thestudentYT Huh, I thought that there were some states that have 6 provinces, but I checked the file and there is none. I'm correcting my comment now
the Holy Order exploit is out there for a few years now. Glad to see some more attention.
Yeah but the Original Exploits are all fixed so I had to come up with something less crazy here
@@thestudentYT the holy order exploit isn't fixed, you can still swap back and forth with Andulusian culture and 50/50 muslim/catholic ratio and each month cash in +1 stability and one free holy order local organisation
@@VittamarFasuthAkbin WTF are you talking about?? I just went into EU4 and I tested exactly what you said and apart from the fact that you always lose all of your prestige and crownland switching religion... It didn't work!
And not that I said that it did't work but how the hell could you come in and anwser my comment with such a bold confidence of telling me that "the holy order exploit isn't fixed" when it is so totally fixed that it takes an entire 5 minutes to proof that it is fixed!!
What the hell, I have never expierienced such a crazy opinionated WRONG comment as yours here... and that means a lot, trust me hahaha xD
And btw what does "cash in +1 Stability and one free holy order" even mean?
@@thestudentYT You have to wait one month for the change to take effect. I just tested it again. Pick Granada, use the order, change to catholizism, wait one month, here you go.
The extra stability is when your capital is sunni and you have the majority sunni religion.
@@thestudentYT btw it also still works both ways; With culture switching as well as religious, depending on the conditions from the local organisations. The event I'm mentioning is 'Adopt Islam as the State Religion'. You need to make sure to have the "separate clergy from the state reform" (4th tier) or play as nomad to not lose crownland.
I like how he talks slowly and loudly, like he expects me to be retarded. It really helps me follow along.
Could you use this to also boost your capital? I've noticed that you could concentrate development in your vassal's state. Would that work repeatedly in the long run?
Sure but you get less and less out of it the further you capital grows
The "annexed vassal" debuf has a cool-down, I think 10 years. Just the right amount of time to reset with a bunch of new client states to do this again. Rinse, repeat.
But as I said: it is capped at -200 so you can have as many vassals as you want anyways because you can counter that
the only problem is that playing tall in eu4 is wrong way_)
Your videos give me something to look forward to on Mondays, but I've always wanted to know, where do you get the music for your videos?
Epidemic Sound
had an idea after seeing your idea on playmaker's video with decolonizing and using american frontiers - forming england with GB missions and stacking the +development boost for colony modifiers, to get insane dev all across the world - I think +6 in each category is the best you can do. There was a bug where if you had Mandate of heaven DLC disabled, it went to +60 instead
I'd assume it also works with the Qing state interaction thing, Can't recall what its called but I believe its unlocked through missions. Could allow for combination with Korea's natural ability to be like 1k dev from the AI cranking it to get an insane amount of dev there reasonably easy. Japan has plenty of OPMs to feed for this to get it right up there.
skip to 9:10 for the actual showcase and explanation
Why Como development always returns to 21 and not increasing?
Ok, watched all the video got the answer)
For real? I think I said idk the answer xD
You filled out the lakes at Como. So nobody visits any more.
do you have any interesting tricks about farming mana from tributaries?
Stacking "Monarch Power from Tributary States" Modifer
@@thestudentYT how many sources are there of this? wiki doesnt seem to have dedicated info about it
@@0mguley Mostly Missions of Asians and like one or two Ideas/Policies
@@thestudentYT ive seen a few missions, not any ideas/policies. which are they from?
@@0mguley I was wrong, I meant the Tier 4 Government Reform
you should do this with safavid order for +2 mil dev instead of 1
For some reason, I didn't get this video in my sub box :(
Is the subject burning the manpower?
Yes thats my guess too, but idek if AI is able to exploit dev
Maybe but shouldn't that be capped even if the Owner changes
After checking it again, it can't be exploiting dev, since you gain 2 mil dev per subject on each cycle, and there is a cd when the province owner doesn't change.
My guess why the province at least gained 4 or so dev is, that it only loses mil dev and you hit 1 mil dev eventually. The gain in adm and dip dev is the same as in the other 4 provinces
Okay, but why only mil dev?
@@thestudentYT no idea, Found an older reddit thread with the same problem, but with also no explanation for that behaviour. But otherwise i can't explain that behaviour
i would not have the slightest idea why como got stuck at 25 dev but opm's getting provinces outside their capital state and stealing manpower by lowering development from their lowest developed province doesn't sound totally implausible.
I guess this is what happens if you play on the edge of the intended Game Mechanics xD
Your video might be interesting. I was soo put off by the speed and constant blinking, I moved off to other things. Extremely frustrating.
What "blinking" do you mean?
Because if you ment the Timelapses then I can asure you that the actual Tactic was shown in live Speed
@@thestudentYT see what happens at the one minute mark. It's just noise, nothing meaningful on the screen because of the speed - not that what happens on the screen was in any way related to what you were saying, just an avalanche of images, at high speed. During that time you might have shown a screenshot, and just talked about what you were going to - or shown pictures of clouds. anything would have been better.
@@gabrieliordache296 I see what you mean but I still think that it is better than an Intro with a completly standing still Picture... but I hope that you could just scip the Intro and enjoy the Rest of the Video at least a bit :)
9:09 again
9:59 again
10:03 again
10:47 again
11:14 again
11:17 again
11:22 again
11:27 again
hope they won't ruin another game again in the future like they did with this one :(
too broken
Why drops Como back down to 21 dev several times?
Is it possible to feed a vassal like Mantua all of your states in Northern Italy, France, and Iberia (assuming you owned those lands)?
Get the holy order dev buff for all of those states with one vassal, annex them, then feed all of those states to another vassal. This could reduce the overhead of relations cap and you can raise dev over a wide area with fewer steps.
Yes that is how you should do it... this was only one State as an example
Why not releasing again and again the same subject after integrating?
I would do it but I would have to wait 10 years to annex them right?
@thestudentYT you are correct, didn't think about this small detail 😀
I would call it an exploit. But nice video anyway.
Don't let this guy into EU5
The only RUclipsr who actually plays tall 😂
Does it interact nice with client-states??
Yes as I said
Did you notice that only 4 of your 5 provinces get more dev? Como always lags behind. It started with 21 and is 25 at the end while the others end at 50. So only 4 to Como and 19 to all other 4. Why is that? It is the only mountain province.
I said that in the video as well: Idk wtf is wrong with this Province xD
@@thestudentYT thx for the reply. must have missed that line. Ever tried to recreate that "bug"?
No it never happened in any other test run
ur vassals exploited dev in como, i believe
But there is a cooldown right?
@@thestudentYT maybe it gets resetted when u transfer the province and or then reannex it
But I did that with all 5 Provinces and it never resets apart from Como
@@thestudentYT yeah idk, its just an idea...
i ve never seen the ai use exploit dev on farm / grasslands etc. but i ve witnessed it happening in hills n mountains, but that can be a coincedence, i am by no means an eu4 expert like you --> was just a guess
some clausewitz spaghetticoding is prolly more plausible :P
mic drop
What a boring way to play... i mean to get 100 annexation cost, you need to already conquer half of europe, your game is already won.
But funny trick.
country ideas 4 idea groups estate privilege curia controller papal legate and parlament dont need to conquer much with that