It's a plan division for separating within melaninnated people, there was never a question, except I used to laugh how Hollywood would push the sanerio in the 80s rap movies it was to start the process of removing blacks from anything great, fat head joe and buster is a agents sent t to start the separation for the pre civil war. whole world is a stage.
I can’t find any original hiphop tracks that sampled any Latin music. This is what happens when we don’t gate keep our shit and let everyone and their mama eat off it.
@ there’s no doubt they were around and contributed but if Jamaicans made hip-hop, why doesn’t it sample reggae then the deeper you get into it you realize that reggae was their attempt at doing R&B and it when it didn’t quite hit like that it formed into what we know as reggae
@ this is not true He did not create hip-hop.He just did what the other black American DJs were doing in New York and he said that his self. He said that his Jamaican background played no part in what he was doing because being Jamaican wasn’t cool in America at that time and he was just following behind what was going on already. There were other DJs before him.
My man your so wrong about this one here. Carribeans, Africans always made a point of saying that they’re not black African American, and that’s a fact. They didn’t want the stigma of stereotypes that’s associated with black Americans. I’m Haitian, and I notice it. Tariq has a point African American did create hip hop, but people from other cultures contributed, and nothing is wrong with that. That what’s going with us we can’t remove our emotions, and acknowledge the facts. It’s like saying Puerto Ricans create Reggae. Y’all don’t see what I’m coming from.
@@danieltheliska5672 what’s the difference between us Caribbeans claiming we aren’t black Americans, and black Americans claiming they aren’t African or even have ancestors that come from Africa? 🤔
Fat Joe is loud and wrong. Nobody said that Caribbean and Latinos are not involved in Hip Hop. They are saying that Black American created hip hop and we literally have videos of Black People in the 40s and 50s rapping.
When Fat Joe was talking about radical black racists that don't want to hear about anybody that is not black american that wasn't about hip-hop. This isn't about hip-hop to me it's about something real
@@MsTee349They did NOT create anything!!! Not one thing, this has all been debunked by the PIONEERS of Hip Hop. Even Kool Herc said it was a black Ameeican thing. Damn what's hard to understand?
I rock with you Wayno but you are wrong on this. Your entire video is about what other groups "CONTRIBUTED" to hip-hop... That's not the argument... We are talking about WHO STARTED HIP-HOP IN 1973... Have other groups made contributions "AFTER" its creation? ABSOLUTELY... But they didn't create that art form.. Why is this important? White people know claim to have created Rock & Roll, County Western music, Jazz and Blues, when they were created by black artists.. They always duplicate our art and make in mainstream, to take credit for our creations. White America is upset with Beyonce for doing country music because they feel it's "THEIR" genre, despite being created by black artists. LEGACY IS IMPORTANT... If we don't protect in now, in 100 years the masses will be taught that Eminem is the godfather of hip-hop.
Rap was around with black folk waaaayyyyyy before the 70s. But you have to be raised by black folks who put you on their cultures…like how my grandpa put me on to his music! If you had no connection, you can’t just magically learn it either! But no one wants to talk about how far back we can go on how what’s rap today was also rap a long time ago!
@@grlbcc That's the thing that always trip me out. The main thing, is the main thing and that's rapping in HipHop. Black Americans been rapping since the late 1800s.
Wayno you’re conflating this a bit. Created and contributed are 2 different things. Even in the clip, Joe said his brother carried Grandmaster Flash’s crates….niggah what does that mean lol? Joe would never debate about this because he knows it’s not true. He’s a habitual liar and that’s proven.
Wait you don’t know what carrying crates means but you’re speaking on Hip Hop? And you got 49 likes as of now for this? NIGGAH Carrying crates was like an assistant for lack of better terms for the DJ!!? Are u wild? That’s helping the DJ out, pretty much being the apprentice, typa shit like that got you in the doors to certain places for you to meet mfs and make a name for yourself. How do you mfs not know about the true origins of hip hop but wanna disagree with someone who more than likely knows wayyyyyy more about hip hop than you? Your whole response is driven by person feelings like a woman
Wayno maybe you should of did ten minutes of research and you would understand what FBA is? You didn't even watch anything on the documentary that's got fat Joe butt hurt smh do better bro
FBA isn’t even inherently Black American the ideology comes from Marcus Garvey who was NOT Black American. You guys essentially took something we created in the islands and used it against us 😂. You can thank Tariq Nasheed for coining it in today’s time and he’s nowhere near a Marcus Garvey who was Jamaica so realistically yall just a confused angry bunch. What yall really should be doing is getting into high skilled paying jobs that’s only fighting chance you have but yall would rather point fingers.
We’ve let too many people into our movements from civil rights to hip-hop. Fat Joe or anybody being that disrespectful towards black culture needs to get checked. I understand you got ties in the industry, but this shit is weak.
We all have had love for Joe, but he’s out of line. Our lineage was disrespected, he classified us as a group/org with a “leader”, and these are not facts. Then instead of substantive evidence or claims, HE (FAT JOE) resulted to name calling and denigrating because HE is mad at Tariq’s work. Why is all the hollering loud??? No one can counter Tariq’s hip hop claims with substantive proof. I grew up in Queens btw, 1986. Hollis, Farmers Blvd.
Someone should simply do the work, research, and take the time to put together a piece of work that will prove otherwise, outside of that, this is all noise coming from emotions. Tariq makes a film claiming FBA created hip hop>>> Fat Joe disagrees >>> Fat Joe calls lineage that TARIQ identifies with the WRONG name 😡(Foundational Black Authority) followed by calling us a bunch of broke 🥷 On math’s show hubris was on display for all to see and it was unchecked. This is just karmic energy. We’re not a twitter hive, we don’t all share the love for a huge pop star or rapper or something. We simply identify that our ancestors/great grands did not come from the Caribbean nor Africa and that our history in this country started before the WHITE SPANIARD Cc came over here and before crude chattel slavery. Native Americans were black. Again we are no twitter hive no fan club no hate group no radical racists??? Wtf????? Why does someone who identifies as WHITE in all of his paperwork (arrest sheets) get to call US a bunch of BROKE 🥷????? Nah Joe is way out of pocket and out of line for that period
I think Wayno should have watched the Mic Check Documentary before commenting, because Tariq Nasheed invited the Puerto Rican community to take part in it. Nothing disrespectful was said by the Black American People/FBA. All we did was claim our Culture, HipHop Culture, Like we should have done with Jazz, Country Music, Rock n Roll. It's one simple statement, "BLACK AMERICANS CREATED HIPHOP" I don't understand the uproar? It doesn't matter what city it started in. Do we care what city Jazz, Country, and Rock n Roll started in? No, It's just a Black American Invention. NYC gotta get out their own 🍆for just one second and focus on the topic at hand.
I agree but we do have to acknowledge there are differences in culture (even amongst us Blacks) from city to city. People in areas like NYC, LA, Chicago, Miami, even Philly or Houston gonna see it differently because we are more integrated with Latinos there (PRs/Dominicans in the East and Mexicans/South Ams out west). So I see people from mostly down south Black exclusive areas taking offense but the parks and high schools where this happened did have browns involved heavy. That’s true however I’m not saying it was 50/50.
@@otterdonnelly9959 Hip Hop has its roots in the blues, jazz, rock n roll, rhythm and blues, and I totally agree. New York might have their own take on how connected they are with other cultures, but Hip Hop was around before NY even used the term. I guess that’s a whole other conversation! Talking about Hip Hop starting in NY seems to be at the heart of many of the problems and why people outside of our culture are claiming ownership.
@@orangeismedia but what you are talking about is just the spirit of Black music. That lies within Black people everywhere. But Hip-Hop can only be born through the filter of the Black American experience. Just as Reggae could’ve only happened in the 50s of Jamaica and was inspired initially by blues/soul. Hip-hop is the son of Jazz and funk. I don’t think that’s an issue having it recognized to form in the Bronx but it adds caveats and unique things to the recipe that wouldn’t have happened if it wasn’t from NY and from…Little Rock or Memphis. It had to gestate out of the whirlwind that was the 70s Bronx. The Big Bang happened there for a reason.
Nobody said others can’t be included. Fat Joe lied talking that 50/50. He can’t name one, not one Puerto Rican pioneer. Stop playin it safe to keep your relationships
Wayno bro you ain’t being real cuz you and Joe from the same area. Joe was outta pocket, when AK was outta line you called him on it. Keep the same energy with Joe.✊🏾
All Black-Americans take notes of all the other Black-Americans who keep saying “well who cares who created it” “we don’t own nothing”. It’s hilarious.
This is how it starts, whenever black americans put their foot down on something we are being divisive and it be our people telling us we causing problems.
I disagree completely. I've been around a lot of Puerto Ricans, a lot of Mexicans, a lot of Latino cultures from all over South America. As a CULTURE, they do not respect melanation or black Americans. So at what point do black people get to defend themselves? And this is why I hate the "invited to the cookout" saying. Because we done invited everyone to the damn cookout and excused them when they took a dump in the collard greens and called it shitty. We stood up for folks that disrespect our mothers, sisters, daughters, wives. Fat Joe can go back on his Atkins diet and leave folks alone. That man know he got a bone to pick with Black Americans and is two steps away from a hard R.
You right but in my opinion he said it with the hard R it was just muted🤷🏾♀️😂 that’s my story and I’m sticking to it. That’s sht was super disrespectful and don’t nobody said it in my presence who ain’t Black without getting checked💯
And vice versa black Americans was giving Haitians hell in the 70s,80s 90s . calling them Haitian booty scratchers and dirty....stop with the black love b.s💥💥💥
That's the problem with some of you guys up north. Just because yall have some cool Latino friends, it makes yall bias and unable to tell the truth. FBA created Hip Hop, we do own the culture, we don't own the music business. Without us there would be no music business.I wish we went as hard for ourselves as we do for other groups.
I agree with all this. But the music businesses are not owned by us. That's the main problem and it's a cancer to how we allow outside people control our wealth. We can count on possibly 1 hand of successful black owned record labels.
I’m from the north Philly region!!! Yeah too many of us here deal with them ! I don’t care for them because they’re arrogant throwing their flags in our face .. it’s disgusting 🤮 how black men lust after these farting Goya beans
Wayno you're losing sight of the focus. The whole point of the discussion is who CREATED Hip Hop, not who owns it now, not who participated or contributed.. Who CREATED it.. That's FBA Period! Where you grew up at or who your sister went to school with has absolutely nothing to do with the facts... What is wrong with just accepting the truth? This is weak af..Smh
Hip hop is created by black Americans no doubt!!!! But I don’t Herc or flash should be removed they’re part of the history. But not the creators . Mario , Smokey and others should be included
Black Americans are the originators of Hiphop, beat breaks are just looped drums from BLACK artist like James Brown. Raps been around since 68 with people like Pigemeat Martin. Fat joe is a clown and needed BLACK artist his whole career to stay relevant.
Shiiiid Blowfly been Rapping since the early 60s (He from Georgia) and the Jubalaires been doing it from 1935. What we talking about here? Why is this even a debate? Black Americans created and is the foundation of HipHop. Bringing some Speakers to a party and looping Black American R&B songs don't mean you created it.
Those people seemed united back then in the inception of hip hop . No mater what role different people played they were all there early. Now 50 years later we are dividing them , that's the sad part..At in the day it was a youth movement. Non of their parents cared about hip hop whether African American , Latino or Jamiacan.
@@usnetwoork So in the inception of hip hop, whether you want to believe it was others than from beginning or not you have to admit they were there earlier on. You don't think they no unity? So the Zulu nation which excepted Latinos Carribeans , African Americans had no unity?
Damn , the comments surprisingly didn’t let me down 🙌🏿. As a native New Yorker , (from Bed Stuy) we have to keep in mind that WE shared the culture with OTHERS . If hip hop were a stock there is no ‘co equity’ shareholders as far as culture . We ‘black Americans’ have suffered more risks and losses as it pertains to hip hop . There is no equal ‘deaths’ , there is no equal profiling . it’s like if we were in Jail “hip hop” won’t be the thing that makes us clique up together . Boricuas can opt out at anytime . Black people cant . No one looks at a Puerto Rican person and ASSUME they are OF hip hop culture .
Just because you grow up in “spanish”Harlem doesn’t change the fact that Puerto Ricans did NOT create hip hop at all…50/50 None of that nonsense!! Knock If Off! B1
As a outsider it’s interesting seeing Puerto Ricans saying they made hip hop considereding in the 70s black people were not viewed in any great way from any group now in 2024 all of sudden they made hip hop it’s a great case of I wasn’t with you when you was broke but I’m with you now
This isn’t about being against Fat Joe. it’s about standing for the truth and respecting the contributions of Black Americans people in hip-hop. Black Americans laid the foundation of this culture, and it has never been a 50/50 contribution. Fat Joe’s deliberate exclusion of African-Americans while highlighting others in the diaspora like the West Indies and the Caribbean-was not only disrespectful, plus it’s over usage of the N word , also revealed a deeper bias. His comments, along with the sentiments of those around him, reflect a pattern of erasing Black Americans’ role in shaping hip-hop. Let’s be real: too many people take from Black culture without giving back. They did it with country, with rock ‘n’ roll, and now they’re trying to do it with hip-hop. Black Americans are often disrespected, overlooked, and treated as if we have no culture, while others profit from what we’ve created. This isn’t just about Fat Joe-it’s about addressing the broader issue of appropriation, standing up for the truth, and protecting what’s ours. We have to stop being so welcoming to those who take from our culture without acknowledging or respecting its roots.
Hip-Hop is a child of Funk/Soul, a black American invention, also combined with Blues another black American invention, blacks moved to New York from the south wjth that Sound & Soul, alotta East Coast people only see it from a New York perspective, East Coast Latinos only were present with Blacks in New York, outside of the East it’s different…. Yes Latinos Contributed to the Culture but they didn’t Create the Culture 🐸☕️🔥🔥
Nah… Wayno is on some “safe” shit when it comes to Fat Joe and FBA I accept it. I DO NOT RESPECT Joes take and it NEEDS TO BE SAID. It’s NOT respectful or knowledgeable. Mans gonna focus on “division” and not the guy DIVIDING us with his words and misunderstandings/ignorance, and that’s FAT JOE. I hate that Wayno sat here and conflated these things. Nah fam. You shot this man TOO MUCH BAIL! Way too much bail. Your lack of understanding on the topic hurts my brain fam. Deadass. You gave it your best covering this topic. 🤷🏾♂️
Black and Spanish here (Puerto Rican, Boricua!). A lot of PR people dont claum their Black/African heritage, but it is being acknowledged more and more by growing generations. Part of the problem is the ignorance that lies in my people regarding their heritage and true birthplaces.
I was just having this conversation with my pops and I can only speak for my generation I was born in 86 born and raised in New York a lot of my friends are Puerto Rican or Puerto Rican/black my wife is half Puerto Rican and growing up in a five boroughs and Long Island the dynamic between Puerto Ricans and blacks was fairly good nowhere near on the level of how the West Coast deal with the Mexican and other Latinos in Southerners deal with Mexicans and other Latinos But when it comes to the hip Hop thing we all should know that it's black people music I'll look at it like this fat Joe is an individual and just like when we see stupid black people say something stupid that stupid person doesn't speak for all black people so fat Joe does not speak for all Puerto Ricans Just my whole opinion
@@jaeakathaprofit7497 yeah i live in chicago but grew up in New York and the way black and latinos are good in NY is like foreign to black people in chicago, hip hop is certainly black people music but i think latinos are accepted in hip hop more than any other group of people, i think that being bc hiphop was birthed in NY 🤷🏽♂️
No body claims any color. If you claim Boricua you claim multi ethnic heritage. We have family members that look vastly different, claiming colors doesn't make sense for a lot of people. It's not just African we deny orgins from one place. We always say all 3.
Maybe New Yorkers understand how immigrants contribute to American society because we are surrounded by immigrants and aren’t xenophobic generally speaking
Doggie Diamonds tv is from New York and has numerous videos explaining how hip hop was created by black Americans. Music and break dancing all rooted in black American culture
Man I'm from NY the ones u see on RUclips don't represent us look I'm from long island I grew up around Puerto Ricans Dominicans Cubans el Salvadorians and it was hella racial tension we use to fight them Latinos calling us monkeys majetays all type of racial shit and they thought they was better than us even in prison we don't get along They be 🧢
Wayno, no disrespect but you are conflating a couple of different things. Looking forward to an update d video after you research FBA more because this one was hard to watch.
Black people definitely get all the criticism when first pioneering what eventually becomes mainstream with white audiences. That being said, hip hop is a black creation in NYC where Puerto Ricans were around. They might not have directly contributed to the music, but they did contribute to the foundation of breakdancing with people like crazy legs from the rock steady crew
@ I’ll specify for clarity, they contributed to what the foundation of breakdancing was to hip hop as it was forming in NYC. Ultimately, the main building blocks that led to hip hop came from black people
And I think people tend to leave out the other aspects of Hip Hop outside of the music. Some people are extreme, in my opinion, to try to exclude Latinos and non “FBA” Black people from hip hop overall. If they were there in community, taking part in the beginning, I don’t see why they can’t take part now. (I’m speaking outside of the creation of hip hop).
Whu you shouting out math hoffa for... this ish gotta stop and thats why them caribbean dudes disrespecting and wayno just cant resist 😤 still gotta shout these goofs out
We built this country from scratch, we fought in every war for this country. We didn’t flee to another country. We not taking no disrespect from foreigners. love all my black people, y’all come with different flags and have parades. We don’t say hey they didn’t invite us or make us feel welcome we go and have fun with y’all. We don’t go to y’all country’s and disrespect. You not coming to ours with disrespect. WHEN y’all say we not the same , we never got mad. But when we say “they not like us” it’s a problem . We can show pride for our history and defend what we created. If that’s a problem, i guess it gotta be one then. FBA
The south isn’t the entire country. You keep forgetting that the real power of America was in the northeast. That’s where the majority of industrialization and modernization in this country occurred. The truth is, immigrants from Europe like the Germans, Irish, Italians, Jewish, etc were the entire backbone of that. To this day, it’s the northern states (including California) that are the most powerful and advanced in the entire country.
@ do history sir , we done every job and invented things in this country you’ve been using since a baby. We built railway in the west , picked fruits in the west. Worked and invented things in factories in the north. Tho you think you talking to. Lol we are America. I didn’t say nothing about the south you did😂😂😂 yeah this is deeper then cotton. Try again
@ the immigrants came after we built America up, let’s start there . And when they came to work we was already doing the jobs they got hired to do lol. They started only hiring there people to the unions. That’s why you actually think they did something we didn’t. Do your history before talking to me. Anything else I can debunk. Because you thought you had one 😂😂😂
What are you talking about?? You tap dancing? FBA invented Hip Hop period!! Others need to learn how to respect Blacks just how Blacks show others respect
The Money of Hip Hop is not the culture of it. I think we conflate these things under a capitalist umbrella because we see marketing dollars as the movements. No corporation can ever truly control the culture of Hip Hop. They can manufacture products and be the money behind its creation but that is not the culture of the thing. The people will always define what the culture is because of how we decide to create around and through it. That cannot be controlled, only monetized and manipulated.
Ima say first Fat Joe has some of the worst takes on this issue, I don't agree with a lot of FBA points but I do agree with some. But wayno mentioned how he had people in his circle who were dark and denied their blackness. As a Puerto Rican I do agree with this, there are Afro-Puerto Ricans and Dominicans who deny it. But no one ever mentions the ones who are proud of that heritage and say it. And thats not a new thing. You can go back to Puerto Rican music and literature dating back to 1930s all the way up the the 70s and present day, of Puerto Ricans declaring their blackness and what it ment to be black and spanish in the US and in Puerto Rico. Also I've heard some Jamaicans and Haitians in NYC say they not black either. I think it's a self hate thing of foreign born black folk not wanting to identify with Black Americans because of negative stereotypes. But wanna enforce again, there are a lot of Puerto Ricans that embrace they blackness because they are descended of slaves brought to Puerto Rico and Puerto Rican culture is majorly influenced by African Culture brought by slaves to the island.
Rap is black music. Period. Even the so called Spanish genres of music like salsa are at their core African music. Which btw, we didn't use Latin music in hip hop samples. It was soul, r&b, funk ect.
It’s no pointing fingers. Just addressing disrespect. Stop being afraid to shut it down. Don’t pick at those standing up for themselves. Time to do something different. Over all great points. We just have to keep in mind that our Brothers and Sisters from sub cultures gave their identity and culture. We must keep out in our uniting.
Simple question for non FBAs who think rap is for everyone: Where were YOUR people when Rap was being built? What does yo mama, grandmama, daddy, and grandpa listen to? What do they sound like in the inside of YOUR house?!?!?!?
Is saying the N word Spanish culture too?(think of all the reasons someone would ask this, in context of this conversation).. inclusion always comes back to bite us
Not exactly the same but "negra" is used as a term as in endearment in PR culture. Don't conflate "spanish" with a whole hemispheres each country has its own culture and slang. They do share stuff but there are many differences too.
@ you’re facetiousness only underscores my point.. that’s not the n word I’m referring to and you know that, please don’t try to educate me on how negra means black, you’d be playing in my face. The word I’m referring was used by a specific demographic that only used it via a vehicle of Stockholm syndrome.. the Puerto Ricans and Spanish that used it and were giving passes for using it. Weren’t using it from the same frame as “oye negra”. To even try to pass that off is indicative of a broader concern.. I’ll say it again.. inclusion always comes back to bite fba’s
Slightly off-topic, but since the word it was adapted from originally came from the Spanish/Italians from Europe, when they were colonizing the American continent and Caribbean Islands, technically yes. The word Negro/a is used to refer to a person or object as black, and obviously could be negatively, but it is not in most cases. The current N word didn't derive from them, but they, and other cultures around the word have their own derogatory term for black people in their language.
I agree. You are mixing colorism, social constructs, and lived experiences. My recommendation to bone up on the history before you discredit yourself further. I say this respectfully. Spend some time on the RUclips channels Doggie Diamond TV, The Culture Starts in 1971, Tim Black TV. Even the political channel Sabby Sabs did a video on this. Then do another video when you are more informed.
Wayno is of immigrant lineage. He's not black American. That's why he relates to anti black immigrants like Sadat neXt, FatHot, & MaffSloppa. Wayno a industry🤡.
Only people that divided us was fat Joe and Busta Rhymes and you need to do more history and journalist research before you coming out here putting your opinions and I’m straight from New York just like you
Wayno, I am so disappointed with your point of view and your perspective on this. It seems that your not understanding the argument of creation and why it’s VERY IMPORTANT that FBA claim that they are solely the creators!! You talking about BiG Pun and all these other none black contributors to hip hop is irrelevant and it’s ppl saying shjt like you saying that give these other mfers the notion that the bullshit they say is cool smh
I’m from Jamaica WI and it’s a fact Black Americans invented hip hop of course other culture of black added to it but there’s a major difference being a contributor and a creator
The truth is people were rapping way before the 70s the part of hip hop that NY claim was made in the Bronx died in the 80s rap is black American culture anybody else is a copy cat
Rapping has existed for centuries, it wasn’t invented by black Americans. Look up “Flyting” for example. It was an ancient form of verbal sparring created by Europeans. Basically they were like rap battles long before hip hop or even slam poetry existed
Nah FJ is goofy. They were involved in its creation but they did not create it. I don’t like that he considers the group racist either. Not when the majority of Latinos are prejudice and discriminatory against anyone darker than them including other Latinos. We salute their contributions but don’t call “FBAs” racist considering rove acknowledged that many Boricua will not allow their sons and daughters to date “blacks” of any ethnicity
2pac said it best…. I love you New Yorkers but the people that represent yall is moving foul right now. This dude said what would hip hop be without FatJoe, Big Pun and beat nuts… it will be exactly what it is…. We don’t own nothing what genre of music own the business of music the no Vaseline tactics (pause) exist in every part of the industry not just hip hop
Bro, all of the Black American pioneers are still alive, but y'all keep ignoring them...Sampled music, beats, fashion, rapping, breaking, DJing all comes from Black Americans.
This is such a fruitless and silly debate. If literally everyone agrees that it was created by FBA’s, that doesn’t change anything in the past, present, or future. People want to argue over bragging rights, when the music industry is owned, controlled, and run by people who look nothing like the ones arguing… But go off yall 🤦🏾♂️
That's 💯! Can someone ask Joe to keep his opinion/perspective to himself. Eventually it will return to the reality we always understood. Black Americans created Hip-Hop. Joe started all this wit that Latino anti-black shit. Had he truly considered himself, one of us? Then no 50/50 crap woulda came out his mouth
I've been recieveing a lot of hateful racist comments from Black Americans for years but the narrative you FBAs push is that that doesn't exist. Yeah ok
As a Jamaican-American born and raised in the bronx and infatuated with the birth and growth of it as a poet, people who talk on the history of hiphop to otherize Caribbeans always come off sounding bias and uneducated. The history is more interesting, textured, and complicated, than some of their trash opinions make it seem. Accept DJ Kool Herc, Grandmaster Flash, Afrika Bambaataa, but erase their origins?
@@newstation795 Cool herc said himself he got it from Black Americans that were already doing hip hop. the origins of HipHop are the HarlemRenaissance, Jubilaires, PigMeat, WattsProphets, Lasty, RudyRayMoore, JamesBrown, Funk, Soul/R&B... BlackAmerican History, Culture & Music. Cool herc was copying what kids were doing already. Dj Hollywood too.
Imagine hip hop without Kool Herc, slick Rick, dougie fresh, grandmaster flash, biggie smalls and so many more. Would be a shadow of it's self today smh
13:47 Facts Wayno! I’m A Portrait Artist & I Recently Got A Side Job At The Gas Station…..I Tucked My Pride & Made Sure My Kids Good Regardless. Thank You For Speaking The TRUTH💯
Wayno is right about us not owning. Also, Fat Joe dead wrong Hispanic people guests in hip hop too they didn’t start anything involved. Big pun one of my favorite rappers too but truth is truth. Fat Joe be saying the N word too much to be going at ANY Black man.
Even if Puerto ricans was there THEY ARE IN BRONX/NY NOT IN PUERTO RICO so they are in the black culture the black folks didnt go to central/south america and start claiming their stuff. Nobody has the blues the pain the bliss the entertainment that black folks been through in america this is just the facts.
1:51 respectfully young king as I have 10 years on you, and I too grew up in that BX, it’s not about being against Fat Joe just for the sake of it. Historically and this is a known fact that Joe has had a level of “hate” or basis towards black Americans specifically. I can appreciate his contribution musically to hip hop, however the continued disrespect from Joe has reached a point where it, and he needs to be checked. #bless up
The problem is bro, the people are not listening to what is being said. Everyone is engaging in it, but at the end of the day, it was started by black people period. Point blank. Argument done. All these people saying otherwise aren’t listening to what is being said. Adidas is German, right? Croissants are French, right? Hip Hop is from Black Americans.
Can't remember who was interviewing Joe when he first claimed that 50/50 crap. We knew Joe was exaggerating. The question is why he highlighted that small % of Islanders involvement in Hip-Hop's beginnings in the first place. Then argue that small contribution into a viral outrage. It's not like FBA's was trying to cut Islanders out of their involvement.
Just because our culture is very popular and businesses made aspects of it mainstream and they use that power to market it in a certain way doesn't mean we don't control our culture.....if anything that means we don't control how our culture is perceived by the masses
I think it’s disrespectful and damn near evil to elude that it’s divisive to state facts like black people created hiphop and Latinos came in later . And that’s what fat joe is doing.. smh that shit hurt lol
I think this gets difficult because NY has a very different culture when it comes to black & brown ppl thats not the same across the US. However, I will say im not mad at FBA for claiming Hip hop
I'll keep it simple. Black Americans created and was the foundation of HipHop. * The Mills Brothers - From Ohio 1925 (Gymnastic dancing aka "Breakdance") * Jubalaires - From Florida 1935 (Rapping) * Sun Ra - From Alabama 1935 (Rapping/Early Electronic/Looping) * Blowfly - from Georgia 1960 (Rapping) Why is this even a debate?
Why is it division when Black Americans have their tribe but when Puerto Ricans and everyone else raises their flag it’s respected?
Because we allowed it for too long
NGL Thats what it seems like these days...
The FBA conversation is rooted in xenophobic, Trump inspired anti immigrant sentiment. Go ahead and have a tribe just don't be hateful.
They not use to use taking pride in us and our history.
It's a plan division for separating within melaninnated people, there was never a question, except I used to laugh how Hollywood would push the sanerio in the 80s rap movies it was to start the process of removing blacks from anything great, fat head joe and buster is a agents sent t to start the separation for the pre civil war. whole world is a stage.
If black Americans didn’t create hip-hop, why does it sample soul ,rnb music,funk,jazz,and the blues and all black American music
I can’t find any original hiphop tracks that sampled any Latin music. This is what happens when we don’t gate keep our shit and let everyone and their mama eat off it.
@ there’s no doubt they were around and contributed but if Jamaicans made hip-hop, why doesn’t it sample reggae then the deeper you get into it you realize that reggae was their attempt at doing R&B and it when it didn’t quite hit like that it formed into what we know as reggae
That’s because Kool Herc created hip hop djing in America
Therefore he used American music
And the music he used was Black…but he is Jamaican
@ this is not true He did not create hip-hop.He just did what the other black American DJs were doing in New York and he said that his self. He said that his Jamaican background played no part in what he was doing because being Jamaican wasn’t cool in America at that time and he was just following behind what was going on already. There were other DJs before him.
@ Kool Herc was in the Bronx at 11 so logically it’s easy to deduce that he was influence by black Americans. You see how that works?
My man your so wrong about this one here. Carribeans, Africans always made a point of saying that they’re not black African American, and that’s a fact. They didn’t want the stigma of stereotypes that’s associated with black Americans. I’m Haitian, and I notice it. Tariq has a point African American did create hip hop, but people from other cultures contributed, and nothing is wrong with that. That what’s going with us we can’t remove our emotions, and acknowledge the facts. It’s like saying Puerto Ricans create Reggae. Y’all don’t see what I’m coming from.
There are uneducated people of all kinds… don’t fall into their mindset
Where did you get this?
@@SakirMorsy719life..
@@danieltheliska5672 what’s the difference between us Caribbeans claiming we aren’t black Americans, and black Americans claiming they aren’t African or even have ancestors that come from Africa? 🤔
@@dahshinindifference is we know we came from Africa hundreds of years ago and don't deny it . Also Africa is a continent.
Fat Joe is loud and wrong. Nobody said that Caribbean and Latinos are not involved in Hip Hop. They are saying that Black American created hip hop and we literally have videos of Black People in the 40s and 50s rapping.
You’re 1000% right. But though black Caribbeans definitely did not create rapping, they did create the culture that birthed the genre of hiphop.
@@MsTee349 correct Caribbean music inspired hip hop, they were rapping just wasnt american english or beats
When Fat Joe was talking about radical black racists that don't want to hear about anybody that is not black american that wasn't about hip-hop. This isn't about hip-hop to me it's about something real
Please please this is about black Americans and Puerto Ricans please please I beg leave black Caribbean out of this.
@@MsTee349They did NOT create anything!!! Not one thing, this has all been debunked by the PIONEERS of Hip Hop. Even Kool Herc said it was a black Ameeican thing. Damn what's hard to understand?
I rock with you Wayno but you are wrong on this.
Your entire video is about what other groups "CONTRIBUTED" to hip-hop...
That's not the argument... We are talking about WHO STARTED HIP-HOP IN 1973...
Have other groups made contributions "AFTER" its creation? ABSOLUTELY... But they didn't create that art form..
Why is this important? White people know claim to have created Rock & Roll, County Western music, Jazz and Blues, when they were created by black artists..
They always duplicate our art and make in mainstream, to take credit for our creations.
White America is upset with Beyonce for doing country music because they feel it's "THEIR" genre, despite being created by black artists.
LEGACY IS IMPORTANT... If we don't protect in now, in 100 years the masses will be taught that Eminem is the godfather of hip-hop.
💯 Fuck that. BEFORE 1973.
There’s video of Herc saying Hip-Hop was happening in 70 & 71 but somehow he founded it in 73.
Foh.
Rap was around with black folk waaaayyyyyy before the 70s. But you have to be raised by black folks who put you on their cultures…like how my grandpa put me on to his music! If you had no connection, you can’t just magically learn it either! But no one wants to talk about how far back we can go on how what’s rap today was also rap a long time ago!
Well said fam, 💯💯💯💯💯
@@grlbcc That's the thing that always trip me out. The main thing, is the main thing and that's rapping in HipHop. Black Americans been rapping since the late 1800s.
Wayno you’re conflating this a bit. Created and contributed are 2 different things. Even in the clip, Joe said his brother carried Grandmaster Flash’s crates….niggah what does that mean lol?
Joe would never debate about this because he knows it’s not true. He’s a habitual liar and that’s proven.
This. The delusion is outta hand.
“Carrying crates” means paying dues. What people used to have to do to get into hiphop. It means he was an apprentice to the DJ.
If you take away, fat Joe’s contribution to hip-hop and other races contribution to hip-hop there will still be hip-hop.
Wait you don’t know what carrying crates means but you’re speaking on Hip Hop? And you got 49 likes as of now for this? NIGGAH Carrying crates was like an assistant for lack of better terms for the DJ!!? Are u wild? That’s helping the DJ out, pretty much being the apprentice, typa shit like that got you in the doors to certain places for you to meet mfs and make a name for yourself. How do you mfs not know about the true origins of hip hop but wanna disagree with someone who more than likely knows wayyyyyy more about hip hop than you? Your whole response is driven by person feelings like a woman
@@otterdonnelly9959I had a joke but ima keep it to myself 😅
“It doesn’t matter who created hip-hop?” Did you think out your argument before making this video??? SMH
Wayno maybe you should of did ten minutes of research and you would understand what FBA is? You didn't even watch anything on the documentary that's got fat Joe butt hurt smh do better bro
FBA isn’t even inherently Black American the ideology comes from Marcus Garvey who was NOT Black American. You guys essentially took something we created in the islands and used it against us 😂. You can thank Tariq Nasheed for coining it in today’s time and he’s nowhere near a Marcus Garvey who was Jamaica so realistically yall just a confused angry bunch. What yall really should be doing is getting into high skilled paying jobs that’s only fighting chance you have but yall would rather point fingers.
We’ve let too many people into our movements from civil rights to hip-hop. Fat Joe or anybody being that disrespectful towards black culture needs to get checked. I understand you got ties in the industry, but this shit is weak.
Hip Hop was for HIP HOPPERS. Most Black Americans didn’t even listen to Hip Hop or participate in it as a culture.
We always showing our teeth to everyone we meet
But yet you’re on the white man’s social media saying this
We all have had love for Joe, but he’s out of line. Our lineage was disrespected, he classified us as a group/org with a “leader”, and these are not facts. Then instead of substantive evidence or claims, HE (FAT JOE) resulted to name calling and denigrating because HE is mad at Tariq’s work. Why is all the hollering loud??? No one can counter Tariq’s hip hop claims with substantive proof. I grew up in Queens btw, 1986. Hollis, Farmers Blvd.
Someone should simply do the work, research, and take the time to put together a piece of work that will prove otherwise, outside of that, this is all noise coming from emotions. Tariq makes a film claiming FBA created hip hop>>> Fat Joe disagrees >>> Fat Joe calls lineage that TARIQ identifies with the WRONG name 😡(Foundational Black Authority) followed by calling us a bunch of broke 🥷
On math’s show hubris was on display for all to see and it was unchecked. This is just karmic energy. We’re not a twitter hive, we don’t all share the love for a huge pop star or rapper or something. We simply identify that our ancestors/great grands did not come from the Caribbean nor Africa and that our history in this country started before the WHITE SPANIARD Cc came over here and before crude chattel slavery. Native Americans were black. Again we are no twitter hive no fan club no hate group no radical racists??? Wtf????? Why does someone who identifies as WHITE in all of his paperwork (arrest sheets) get to call US a bunch of BROKE 🥷????? Nah Joe is way out of pocket and out of line for that period
I think Wayno should have watched the Mic Check Documentary before commenting, because Tariq Nasheed invited the Puerto Rican community to take part in it. Nothing disrespectful was said by the Black American People/FBA. All we did was claim our Culture, HipHop Culture, Like we should have done with Jazz, Country Music, Rock n Roll. It's one simple statement, "BLACK AMERICANS CREATED HIPHOP" I don't understand the uproar? It doesn't matter what city it started in. Do we care what city Jazz, Country, and Rock n Roll started in? No, It's just a Black American Invention. NYC gotta get out their own 🍆for just one second and focus on the topic at hand.
I was going to type something until I seen this response. Well said!
I agree but we do have to acknowledge there are differences in culture (even amongst us Blacks) from city to city. People in areas like NYC, LA, Chicago, Miami, even Philly or Houston gonna see it differently because we are more integrated with Latinos there (PRs/Dominicans in the East and Mexicans/South Ams out west). So I see people from mostly down south Black exclusive areas taking offense but the parks and high schools where this happened did have browns involved heavy. That’s true however I’m not saying it was 50/50.
This is exblackly how I feel
@@otterdonnelly9959 Hip Hop has its roots in the blues, jazz, rock n roll, rhythm and blues, and I totally agree. New York might have their own take on how connected they are with other cultures, but Hip Hop was around before NY even used the term. I guess that’s a whole other conversation! Talking about Hip Hop starting in NY seems to be at the heart of many of the problems and why people outside of our culture are claiming ownership.
@@orangeismedia but what you are talking about is just the spirit of Black music. That lies within Black people everywhere. But Hip-Hop can only be born through the filter of the Black American experience. Just as Reggae could’ve only happened in the 50s of Jamaica and was inspired initially by blues/soul. Hip-hop is the son of Jazz and funk. I don’t think that’s an issue having it recognized to form in the Bronx but it adds caveats and unique things to the recipe that wouldn’t have happened if it wasn’t from NY and from…Little Rock or Memphis. It had to gestate out of the whirlwind that was the 70s Bronx. The Big Bang happened there for a reason.
Nobody said others can’t be included. Fat Joe lied talking that 50/50. He can’t name one, not one Puerto Rican pioneer. Stop playin it safe to keep your relationships
Wayno bro you ain’t being real cuz you and Joe from the same area. Joe was outta pocket, when AK was outta line you called him on it. Keep the same energy with Joe.✊🏾
That Part!! 😒
@@MzVedaborntoJudahnaw Wayno right stop being emotional maaaaaaan!
All Black-Americans take notes of all the other Black-Americans who keep saying “well who cares who created it” “we don’t own nothing”. It’s hilarious.
This is how it starts, whenever black americans put their foot down on something we are being divisive and it be our people telling us we causing problems.
Facts smh
Please do research before talking because this sounds like you don’t know what’s really going on.
I disagree completely. I've been around a lot of Puerto Ricans, a lot of Mexicans, a lot of Latino cultures from all over South America. As a CULTURE, they do not respect melanation or black Americans. So at what point do black people get to defend themselves?
And this is why I hate the "invited to the cookout" saying. Because we done invited everyone to the damn cookout and excused them when they took a dump in the collard greens and called it shitty. We stood up for folks that disrespect our mothers, sisters, daughters, wives.
Fat Joe can go back on his Atkins diet and leave folks alone. That man know he got a bone to pick with Black Americans and is two steps away from a hard R.
You right but in my opinion he said it with the hard R it was just muted🤷🏾♀️😂 that’s my story and I’m sticking to it. That’s sht was super disrespectful and don’t nobody said it in my presence who ain’t Black without getting checked💯
And vice versa black Americans was giving Haitians hell in the 70s,80s 90s . calling them Haitian booty scratchers and dirty....stop with the black love b.s💥💥💥
That's the problem with some of you guys up north. Just because yall have some cool Latino friends, it makes yall bias and unable to tell the truth. FBA created Hip Hop, we do own the culture, we don't own the music business. Without us there would be no music business.I wish we went as hard for ourselves as we do for other groups.
Facts!!
I agree with all this. But the music businesses are not owned by us. That's the main problem and it's a cancer to how we allow outside people control our wealth. We can count on possibly 1 hand of successful black owned record labels.
I’m from the north Philly region!!! Yeah too many of us here deal with them ! I don’t care for them because they’re arrogant throwing their flags in our face .. it’s disgusting 🤮 how black men lust after these farting Goya beans
Us New Yorkers created Hip Hop if you’re not from NYC this doesn’t concern you.
Yall did not create hip hop without people that came from the south and then la.
Wayno you're losing sight of the focus. The whole point of the discussion is who CREATED Hip Hop, not who owns it now, not who participated or contributed.. Who CREATED it.. That's FBA Period! Where you grew up at or who your sister went to school with has absolutely nothing to do with the facts... What is wrong with just accepting the truth? This is weak af..Smh
They need to remove DJ Kool Herc, Grandmaster Flash, Afrika Bambaataa, & Co out of their museums and history then
@@ibekingape we should
Hip hop is created by black Americans no doubt!!!! But I don’t Herc or flash should be removed they’re part of the history. But not the creators . Mario , Smokey and others should be included
In his eyes white people own hip hop as well because of the bestie boys and em
Black Americans are the originators of Hiphop, beat breaks are just looped drums from BLACK artist like James Brown. Raps been around since 68 with people like Pigemeat Martin. Fat joe is a clown and needed BLACK artist his whole career to stay relevant.
We’ve been rapping since at least the 40s here’s evidence of that… ruclips.net/video/Wx0oU1OnHf8/видео.htmlsi=ULAG8PsIet7x2WG6
Shiiiid Blowfly been Rapping since the early 60s (He from Georgia) and the Jubalaires been doing it from 1935. What we talking about here? Why is this even a debate? Black Americans created and is the foundation of HipHop.
Bringing some Speakers to a party and looping Black American R&B songs don't mean you created it.
You can’t divide something that was never unified
Those people seemed united back then in the inception of hip hop . No mater what role different people played they were all there early. Now 50 years later we are dividing them , that's the sad part..At in the day it was a youth movement. Non of their parents cared about hip hop whether African American , Latino or Jamiacan.
@ everything you said was false and incorrect. There has never been unity between FBA and non-FBA groups in this country.
@@usnetwoork So in the inception of hip hop, whether you want to believe it was others than from beginning or not you have to admit they were there earlier on. You don't think they no unity? So the Zulu nation which excepted Latinos Carribeans , African Americans had no unity?
@ being in close proximity doesn’t equal unity. The Zulu Nation was a PDF file ring. Their contributions did more harm than empowering
@@usnetwoorkWhat you called Garvey and the Nation of Islam then? What about the Black Panthers?
Fat Joe is not like us.......true black Americans started hip-hop
A Jamaican 🇯🇲started hip hop
Damn , the comments surprisingly didn’t let me down 🙌🏿. As a native New Yorker , (from Bed Stuy) we have to keep in mind that WE shared the culture with OTHERS . If hip hop were a stock there is no ‘co equity’ shareholders as far as culture . We ‘black Americans’ have suffered more risks and losses as it pertains to hip hop . There is no equal ‘deaths’ , there is no equal profiling . it’s like if we were in Jail “hip hop” won’t be the thing that makes us clique up together . Boricuas can opt out at anytime . Black people cant . No one looks at a Puerto Rican person and ASSUME they are OF hip hop culture .
Bro trying to play safe 😂😂
this is his 2nd job. he not tryna fuck up his first job
Wayno is ignorant on the origin of hiphop and he is not of black American lineage. He's definitely not qualified to speak on this subject.
Just because you grow up in “spanish”Harlem doesn’t change the fact that Puerto Ricans did NOT create hip hop at all…50/50 None of that nonsense!! Knock If Off! B1
As a outsider it’s interesting seeing Puerto Ricans saying they made hip hop considereding in the 70s black people were not viewed in any great way from any group now in 2024 all of sudden they made hip hop it’s a great case of I wasn’t with you when you was broke but I’m with you now
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This isn’t about being against Fat Joe. it’s about standing for the truth and respecting the contributions of Black Americans people in hip-hop. Black Americans laid the foundation of this culture, and it has never been a 50/50 contribution. Fat Joe’s deliberate exclusion of African-Americans while highlighting others in the diaspora like the West Indies and the Caribbean-was not only disrespectful, plus it’s over usage of the N word , also revealed a deeper bias. His comments, along with the sentiments of those around him, reflect a pattern of erasing Black Americans’ role in shaping hip-hop.
Let’s be real: too many people take from Black culture without giving back. They did it with country, with rock ‘n’ roll, and now they’re trying to do it with hip-hop. Black Americans are often disrespected, overlooked, and treated as if we have no culture, while others profit from what we’ve created. This isn’t just about Fat Joe-it’s about addressing the broader issue of appropriation, standing up for the truth, and protecting what’s ours. We have to stop being so welcoming to those who take from our culture without acknowledging or respecting its roots.
Hip-Hop is a child of Funk/Soul, a black American invention, also combined with Blues another black American invention, blacks moved to New York from the south wjth that Sound & Soul, alotta East Coast people only see it from a New York perspective, East Coast Latinos only were present with Blacks in New York, outside of the East it’s different…. Yes Latinos Contributed to the Culture but they didn’t Create the Culture 🐸☕️🔥🔥
This part 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Hip hop culture was heavily influenced by Jamaican Americans
Like how do you disrespect a whole lineage of people that created the art form that made you rich ?? I never liked his music anyway
Nah…
Wayno is on some “safe” shit when it comes to Fat Joe and FBA
I accept it. I DO NOT RESPECT Joes take and it NEEDS TO BE SAID. It’s NOT respectful or knowledgeable.
Mans gonna focus on “division” and not the guy DIVIDING us with his words and misunderstandings/ignorance, and that’s FAT JOE.
I hate that Wayno sat here and conflated these things. Nah fam. You shot this man TOO MUCH BAIL! Way too much bail. Your lack of understanding on the topic hurts my brain fam. Deadass. You gave it your best covering this topic.
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Black and Spanish here (Puerto Rican, Boricua!). A lot of PR people dont claum their Black/African heritage, but it is being acknowledged more and more by growing generations.
Part of the problem is the ignorance that lies in my people regarding their heritage and true birthplaces.
I was just having this conversation with my pops and I can only speak for my generation I was born in 86 born and raised in New York a lot of my friends are Puerto Rican or Puerto Rican/black my wife is half Puerto Rican and growing up in a five boroughs and Long Island the dynamic between Puerto Ricans and blacks was fairly good nowhere near on the level of how the West Coast deal with the Mexican and other Latinos in Southerners deal with Mexicans and other Latinos
But when it comes to the hip Hop thing we all should know that it's black people music
I'll look at it like this fat Joe is an individual and just like when we see stupid black people say something stupid that stupid person doesn't speak for all black people so fat Joe does not speak for all Puerto Ricans
Just my whole opinion
Dominicans do the same thing. And so do West Indians. And so do Haitians. I can go on. 😂
@@jaeakathaprofit7497 yeah i live in chicago but grew up in New York and the way black and latinos are good in NY is like foreign to black people in chicago, hip hop is certainly black people music but i think latinos are accepted in hip hop more than any other group of people, i think that being bc hiphop was birthed in NY 🤷🏽♂️
@@jaeakathaprofit7497beautifully stated
No body claims any color. If you claim Boricua you claim multi ethnic heritage. We have family members that look vastly different, claiming colors doesn't make sense for a lot of people. It's not just African we deny orgins from one place. We always say all 3.
Remember wayno the reason everyday struggle fell off....takes like these 😂😂😂😂😂
😆😆😆petty
how is he the reason, IF so why are you here Watching?
New Yorkers are NEVER going to fully understand this particular conversation and that’s ok
Maybe New Yorkers understand how immigrants contribute to American society because we are surrounded by immigrants and aren’t xenophobic generally speaking
Doggie Diamonds tv is from New York and has numerous videos explaining how hip hop was created by black Americans. Music and break dancing all rooted in black American culture
Nah we do!! These ppl with channels don't speak for us!!
Man I'm from NY the ones u see on RUclips don't represent us look I'm from long island I grew up around Puerto Ricans Dominicans Cubans el Salvadorians and it was hella racial tension we use to fight them Latinos calling us monkeys majetays all type of racial shit and they thought they was better than us even in prison we don't get along They be 🧢
Yall need to just say y'all hate New Yorkers and that's ok lol
Wayno, no disrespect but you are conflating a couple of different things. Looking forward to an update d video after you research FBA more because this one was hard to watch.
Black people definitely get all the criticism when first pioneering what eventually becomes mainstream with white audiences. That being said, hip hop is a black creation in NYC where Puerto Ricans were around. They might not have directly contributed to the music, but they did contribute to the foundation of breakdancing with people like crazy legs from the rock steady crew
1930s break dancing The Mills Brothers: ruclips.net/video/Iat62Ab87qs/видео.htmlsi=VDw1_EpFQCul8sJm
@ I’ll specify for clarity, they contributed to what the foundation of breakdancing was to hip hop as it was forming in NYC. Ultimately, the main building blocks that led to hip hop came from black people
And I think people tend to leave out the other aspects of Hip Hop outside of the music. Some people are extreme, in my opinion, to try to exclude Latinos and non “FBA” Black people from hip hop overall. If they were there in community, taking part in the beginning, I don’t see why they can’t take part now. (I’m speaking outside of the creation of hip hop).
Whu you shouting out math hoffa for... this ish gotta stop and thats why them caribbean dudes disrespecting and wayno just cant resist 😤 still gotta shout these goofs out
We built this country from scratch, we fought in every war for this country. We didn’t flee to another country. We not taking no disrespect from foreigners. love all my black people, y’all come with different flags and have parades. We don’t say hey they didn’t invite us or make us feel welcome we go and have fun with y’all. We don’t go to y’all country’s and disrespect. You not coming to ours with disrespect. WHEN y’all say we not the same , we never got mad. But when we say “they not like us” it’s a problem . We can show pride for our history and defend what we created. If that’s a problem, i guess it gotta be one then. FBA
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Exactly 💪🏾
The south isn’t the entire country. You keep forgetting that the real power of America was in the northeast. That’s where the majority of industrialization and modernization in this country occurred. The truth is, immigrants from Europe like the Germans, Irish, Italians, Jewish, etc were the entire backbone of that. To this day, it’s the northern states (including California) that are the most powerful and advanced in the entire country.
@ do history sir , we done every job and invented things in this country you’ve been using since a baby. We built railway in the west , picked fruits in the west. Worked and invented things in factories in the north. Tho you think you talking to. Lol we are America. I didn’t say nothing about the south you did😂😂😂 yeah this is deeper then cotton. Try again
@ the immigrants came after we built America up, let’s start there . And when they came to work we was already doing the jobs they got hired to do lol. They started only hiring there people to the unions. That’s why you actually think they did something we didn’t. Do your history before talking to me. Anything else I can debunk. Because you thought you had one 😂😂😂
Once bruh said his sister half pr i almost turned it off cuz i just know what's coming😂 🤷🏾
What are you talking about?? You tap dancing? FBA invented Hip Hop period!! Others need to learn how to respect Blacks just how Blacks show others respect
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You don't give a damn about black people y'all just riding a wave til it plays out
The Money of Hip Hop is not the culture of it. I think we conflate these things under a capitalist umbrella because we see marketing dollars as the movements. No corporation can ever truly control the culture of Hip Hop. They can manufacture products and be the money behind its creation but that is not the culture of the thing. The people will always define what the culture is because of how we decide to create around and through it. That cannot be controlled, only monetized and manipulated.
Ima say first Fat Joe has some of the worst takes on this issue, I don't agree with a lot of FBA points but I do agree with some. But wayno mentioned how he had people in his circle who were dark and denied their blackness. As a Puerto Rican I do agree with this, there are Afro-Puerto Ricans and Dominicans who deny it. But no one ever mentions the ones who are proud of that heritage and say it. And thats not a new thing. You can go back to Puerto Rican music and literature dating back to 1930s all the way up the the 70s and present day, of Puerto Ricans declaring their blackness and what it ment to be black and spanish in the US and in Puerto Rico. Also I've heard some Jamaicans and Haitians in NYC say they not black either. I think it's a self hate thing of foreign born black folk not wanting to identify with Black Americans because of negative stereotypes. But wanna enforce again, there are a lot of Puerto Ricans that embrace they blackness because they are descended of slaves brought to Puerto Rico and Puerto Rican culture is majorly influenced by African Culture brought by slaves to the island.
Hiphop without Fat Joe is still hiphop
Hip hop without Puerto Ricans is still hip hop
Rap is black music. Period. Even the so called Spanish genres of music like salsa are at their core African music. Which btw, we didn't use Latin music in hip hop samples. It was soul, r&b, funk ect.
Bruh google the beat of reggaeton. They stole that too google it
@reckless1216 bomba stolen too? Gtfo 😂
It’s no pointing fingers. Just addressing disrespect. Stop being afraid to shut it down. Don’t pick at those standing up for themselves. Time to do something different. Over all great points. We just have to keep in mind that our Brothers and Sisters from sub cultures gave their identity and culture. We must keep out in our uniting.
Joe Dead wrong..first thing he did was go to money...and call someone broke...
“It doesn’t matter who started it first” okay, remove yourself from the table sir.
Simple question for non FBAs who think rap is for everyone: Where were YOUR people when Rap was being built? What does yo mama, grandmama, daddy, and grandpa listen to? What do they sound like in the inside of YOUR house?!?!?!?
Is saying the N word Spanish culture too?(think of all the reasons someone would ask this, in context of this conversation).. inclusion always comes back to bite us
Not exactly the same but "negra" is used as a term as in endearment in PR culture. Don't conflate "spanish" with a whole hemispheres each country has its own culture and slang. They do share stuff but there are many differences too.
"Oye Negra" yes
@ you’re facetiousness only underscores my point.. that’s not the n word I’m referring to and you know that, please don’t try to educate me on how negra means black, you’d be playing in my face. The word I’m referring was used by a specific demographic that only used it via a vehicle of Stockholm syndrome.. the Puerto Ricans and Spanish that used it and were giving passes for using it. Weren’t using it from the same frame as “oye negra”. To even try to pass that off is indicative of a broader concern.. I’ll say it again.. inclusion always comes back to bite fba’s
Slightly off-topic, but since the word it was adapted from originally came from the Spanish/Italians from Europe, when they were colonizing the American continent and Caribbean Islands, technically yes.
The word Negro/a is used to refer to a person or object as black, and obviously could be negatively, but it is not in most cases. The current N word didn't derive from them, but they, and other cultures around the word have their own derogatory term for black people in their language.
You not qualified to even speak on this
Shvt yo azz up, Who are you to say he is not?
Explain 🤔
You’re not qualified to even comment here
I agree. You are mixing colorism, social constructs, and lived experiences. My recommendation to bone up on the history before you discredit yourself further. I say this respectfully.
Spend some time on the RUclips channels Doggie Diamond TV, The Culture Starts in 1971, Tim Black TV. Even the political channel Sabby Sabs did a video on this. Then do another video when you are more informed.
Wayno, you changing the subject to stay mutual, you shouldn't have to sellout your culture to be down with the latinos
Wayno is of immigrant lineage. He's not black American. That's why he relates to anti black immigrants like Sadat neXt, FatHot, & MaffSloppa. Wayno a industry🤡.
Only people that divided us was fat Joe and Busta Rhymes and you need to do more history and journalist research before you coming out here putting your opinions and I’m straight from New York just like you
Wayno, I am so disappointed with your point of view and your perspective on this. It seems that your not understanding the argument of creation and why it’s VERY IMPORTANT that FBA claim that they are solely the creators!! You talking about BiG Pun and all these other none black contributors to hip hop is irrelevant and it’s ppl saying shjt like you saying that give these other mfers the notion that the bullshit they say is cool smh
I’m from Jamaica WI and it’s a fact Black Americans invented hip hop of course other culture of black added to it but there’s a major difference being a contributor and a creator
The truth is people were rapping way before the 70s the part of hip hop that NY claim was made in the Bronx died in the 80s rap is black American culture anybody else is a copy cat
Rapping has existed for centuries, it wasn’t invented by black Americans. Look up “Flyting” for example. It was an ancient form of verbal sparring created by Europeans. Basically they were like rap battles long before hip hop or even slam poetry existed
@@dahshinin bull shit
Research it some more wayno, much love but the divide is being caused by everyone who’s not FBA
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Fat Joe loud and wrong. Now all of a sudden we are divisive because we want to recognize and support ourselves.
Wayno with these bias ass takes lol…..Fat Joe daddy white, math Hoffa is a clown, ur take is off bro
His puerto Rican and cuban
U bias too. Everyone is. Just say u disagree like u grown.
@@luisfuentes6873 sure
And we’re just in the comments nobody knows who we are. He said he’s given his take on it and obviously you have yours….whats the problem…
@ I said what I said goofy
I couldn't finish watching this video this dude is wild....NO thank you bra. ..you talk from a point of weakness even your tone is weak
Nah FJ is goofy. They were involved in its creation but they did not create it. I don’t like that he considers the group racist either. Not when the majority of Latinos are prejudice and discriminatory against anyone darker than them including other Latinos. We salute their contributions but don’t call “FBAs” racist considering rove acknowledged that many Boricua will not allow their sons and daughters to date “blacks” of any ethnicity
Around and involved are two different things. They were around the creation. They were not involved in the creation.
2pac said it best…. I love you New Yorkers but the people that represent yall is moving foul right now.
This dude said what would hip hop be without FatJoe, Big Pun and beat nuts… it will be exactly what it is….
We don’t own nothing what genre of music own the business of music the no Vaseline tactics (pause) exist in every part of the industry not just hip hop
Bro, all of the Black American pioneers are still alive, but y'all keep ignoring them...Sampled music, beats, fashion, rapping, breaking, DJing all comes from Black Americans.
This is such a fruitless and silly debate. If literally everyone agrees that it was created by FBA’s, that doesn’t change anything in the past, present, or future. People want to argue over bragging rights, when the music industry is owned, controlled, and run by people who look nothing like the ones arguing… But go off yall 🤦🏾♂️
Playing both sides fba created hiphop nuff said
Cognitive dissonance
That's most of those New Yorkers
That's 💯! Can someone ask Joe to keep his opinion/perspective to himself. Eventually it will return to the reality we always understood. Black Americans created Hip-Hop. Joe started all this wit that Latino anti-black shit. Had he truly considered himself, one of us? Then no 50/50 crap woulda came out his mouth
I've been recieveing a lot of hateful racist comments from Black Americans for years but the narrative you FBAs push is that that doesn't exist. Yeah ok
As a Jamaican-American born and raised in the bronx and infatuated with the birth and growth of it as a poet, people who talk on the history of hiphop to otherize Caribbeans always come off sounding bias and uneducated. The history is more interesting, textured, and complicated, than some of their trash opinions make it seem. Accept DJ Kool Herc, Grandmaster Flash, Afrika Bambaataa, but erase their origins?
They weren’t the first
@@amenxso name the ones who were
@@newstation795 Cool herc said himself he got it from Black Americans that were already doing hip hop. the origins of HipHop are the
HarlemRenaissance, Jubilaires, PigMeat, WattsProphets, Lasty, RudyRayMoore, JamesBrown, Funk, Soul/R&B...
BlackAmerican History, Culture & Music. Cool herc was copying what kids were doing already. Dj Hollywood too.
That’s still don’t give him the right to disrespect FBA .. not One hector or Miguel was being lynched in the dirty south he can’t say theN-word.
Fat Joe outta pocket period
7:11 Hip Hop wouldn’t just be fine without non-FBA contributions but it may have been in a better position without them
Imagine hip hop without Kool Herc, slick Rick, dougie fresh, grandmaster flash, biggie smalls and so many more. Would be a shadow of it's self today smh
@ Hip Hop would be just fine without non-FBA’s
@@usnetwoorkI agree
I think that other culture should learn the Black American experience before they judge us or say anything bad about us
13:47 Facts Wayno! I’m A Portrait Artist & I Recently Got A Side Job At The Gas Station…..I Tucked My Pride & Made Sure My Kids Good Regardless. Thank You For Speaking The TRUTH💯
Bro you should watch microphone ✔️
Wayno is right about us not owning. Also, Fat Joe dead wrong Hispanic people guests in hip hop too they didn’t start anything involved. Big pun one of my favorite rappers too but truth is truth. Fat Joe be saying the N word too much to be going at ANY Black man.
Even if Puerto ricans was there THEY ARE IN BRONX/NY NOT IN PUERTO RICO so they are in the black culture the black folks didnt go to central/south america and start claiming their stuff. Nobody has the blues the pain the bliss the entertainment that black folks been through in america this is just the facts.
All I will say is Hip-Hop wouldn’t exist if the Harlem Renaissance didn’t happen.
Period
Wayno you need to do more research. This aint it
Boy don't know about FBA or Hip Hop 🤦🏾♂️
1:51 respectfully young king as I have 10 years on you, and I too grew up in that BX, it’s not about being against Fat Joe just for the sake of it. Historically and this is a known fact that Joe has had a level of “hate” or basis towards black Americans specifically. I can appreciate his contribution musically to hip hop, however the continued disrespect from Joe has reached a point where it, and he needs to be checked. #bless up
Fam you saying it doesn’t matter but if Black Americans said they created Salsa or that’s it’s from Africa they would get Mad AF so it does matter 🔺
The problem is bro, the people are not listening to what is being said. Everyone is engaging in it, but at the end of the day, it was started by black people period. Point blank. Argument done. All these people saying otherwise aren’t listening to what is being said. Adidas is German, right? Croissants are French, right? Hip Hop is from Black Americans.
PEPTALK;Bro,the question is,who started hip hop Blacks or Puerto Ricans? It's only one answer which is FBA's.
Wayno you can give a real take while not ruining your relationships. If you not well informed just don't speak on it
They calling you Layno the Latino now I’m fighting for my life defending you on Facebook marketplace
why they coming for him in marketplace 😂😂😂🤣 lmfao
Definitely not what i expected smhh
Can't remember who was interviewing Joe when he first claimed that 50/50 crap. We knew Joe was exaggerating. The question is why he highlighted that small % of Islanders involvement in Hip-Hop's beginnings in the first place. Then argue that small contribution into a viral outrage. It's not like FBA's was trying to cut Islanders out of their involvement.
Just because our culture is very popular and businesses made aspects of it mainstream and they use that power to market it in a certain way doesn't mean we don't control our culture.....if anything that means we don't control how our culture is perceived by the masses
Wayno is a youngin sad our true history will be wiped out if we leave it up to this gen. Drake will be a founding father with fat joe
Ask Fat Joe why blacks don’t claim Reggaeton even though it was created from black music?
Facts stole the whole drum sound that they use in every song lol
Oh now Jamaicans Blacc Now for the purposes of your divisive argument???
I never said they not black.
I think it’s disrespectful and damn near evil to elude that it’s divisive to state facts like black people created hiphop and Latinos came in later . And that’s what fat joe is doing.. smh that shit hurt lol
We on fat Joe head whoever with him we at you too! It's up
I think this gets difficult because NY has a very different culture when it comes to black & brown ppl thats not the same across the US. However, I will say im not mad at FBA for claiming Hip hop
Your edits are cool crodie….but your takes are too bias fam,we can tell deez people are your friends man…
My brother please look at the documentary.. and Joe is not in my top 80 rappers.. sorry
You sound compromised bro
SMH…just sit this out wayno
I’m Black and Puerto Rican born in NY. Us fighting each other is what really needs to stop. But you already knew that.
What Kendrick say? Conpromised?😂
I'll keep it simple. Black Americans created and was the foundation of HipHop.
* The Mills Brothers - From Ohio 1925 (Gymnastic dancing aka "Breakdance")
* Jubalaires - From Florida 1935 (Rapping)
* Sun Ra - From Alabama 1935 (Rapping/Early Electronic/Looping)
* Blowfly - from Georgia 1960 (Rapping)
Why is this even a debate?
Ill never forget the day when someone said Fat Joe can say the N-Word but UK black’s cant. 🤣
😂 😂 😂
Who said this?