putting tooru at the weakest for simply the reason being "it only works in his own universe" is quite possibly the dumbest thing I've heard in power scaling. Why don't I just say that I myself could body dio in a fight because vampires and stands don't exist in this universe?
Cause they dont exist in our universe, Its a fictional universe. Also i think you're confused by what i said in the video. CAlamity itself is a universal law meaning that he exist as a part of the universe itself. But only in the jojolion universe so we wouldn't be able to extract the law of the universe that only exist in that universe to a neutral place where they could fight. Watch my jotaro vs wou video for more context
@@MRForca regardless power scaling involves feats of what one has done and how good they would fare in a fight, where they are fighting should be fair for both fighters anyway in order for it to be an accurate scaling of how strong tooru is. If dio brando was born in the jojolion verse and had all the same powers, he wouldn't zero diff fight tooru.
i feel like you're almost trolling with your reasoning for tooru being the weakest. Let's take superman as an example. Superman needs the energy from the sun in order for his powers to work, so if we were going to power scale him against someone we wouldn't take a superman who is in a universe with no sun. You can purely nerf any character you wanted to by changing their circumstances, so even if calamity is only part of the jojolion verse it shouldnt even be a problem from the start.
1:27 another thing too is how the statement uses 超える to explain what D4C is doing. 超える can mean to cross/crossover or pass through. So it doesn’t necessarily have to mean “transcending” in the way most power scalers use it
If im getting this right you ranked them as 8. Tooru 7. Funny Valentine 6. Kira 5. Diavolo 4. Kars 3. Pucci 2. Dio Brando 1. DIO 1st off, why is part 1 Dio so high? He loses to every other JoJo villain except for maybe Diavolo as he would have no way of killing Dio. 2nd off, why is Valentine so low? He has the ability to hide behind an invincible wall forever, and can shift into an alternate universe body in perfect health if you don't kill him immediately. Not to mention if he drags in an alternate universe version of you then he can insta-kill you. 3rd, may I enquire why WoU wouldn't work outside of it's universe?
1. Watch the video dio stronger than pillar men. 2. Everyone is massively faster and stronger than valentine to the point where they can blow him up. 3. Were putting them all in the main universe
@@X3GreenTea The logic that wonder of u is talking about is the logical chain of cause and effect. He explain it as whatever attempts to harm him triggers the calamity. Watch my jotaro vs wonder of u video to fully understand.
@DonForca stand stats and narrative puts d4c on star platinum and the world's level. Plus are you implying that logic wouldn't work in other verses? Cuz automatic stands that work off logic exist in the part 1-6 universe
@@steem6279 stand stats are a general scaling of what tier they are in. That doesn’t mean that they are all relative. Also you didn’t watch the jotaro vs wonder of u video I made. I explicitly said in the video to watch it for context
Jojolion strongly implies that the laws of physics in the jjl verse would still exist in the original verse, like how rock humans existed in the other verse, we just never discovered them
wou is a universal concept yes althought his abillity is still the calamity and it surpasses logic means a guy attacking him will have the biggest unluck also wou is untouchable we can see this when josuke shot a direkt bubble to wous head and the bubble literally dodged
@@letsmer4427 He never said it surpasses logic and throught the enitre manga including interviewes araki has constantly said its below logic. Also its in reference to the logic of the world. Watch my soft and wet debunk and jotaro vs wou
I have 5 drafts im gonna upload during next week. Road to 1k!!!! My discord tag is Jaq#0001 if anyone is intersted in talking about jojo and scaling in general. I don't mind helping everyone who wants to learn. and maybe someone can teach me how to edit :)
Okay, first, Dio Brando wouldn't be able to win against any of the other characters, any of the stands would be untouchable for Dio and Kars as a piller man is stronger, as the ultimate life form he is way stronger, Dio couldn't win and got damaged by Jamon users, Kars is unable to die. WOU is untouchable by thing that exist outside of the universe that he is in. Even if you take him to the og universe, his abilities would work. Valentine is indeed weak compared to the others but his ability is op, the only way he can lose is if gets one shoted. Whick may be not that difficult some in this list. A better list would be. 8Dio Brando 7 Kira joshikage 6 Diavolo 5 Valentine 4 DIO 3Kars 2Made in heaven 1Wonder of you
@@georgets7266 For DIO, as i’m a believer of the chance of Diego winning the train fight is almost a certainty if he had The World instead. Kars, i think FV is smart enough to be able to have like a failsafe to use d4c at anytime, even though he should still be faster or at least around Kars’ level. Love Train is weird, nothing can anyone one this list can harm him but leaving the gap makes him vulnerable too, maybe he can dimension hop immediately after leaving?
@@lsnorlax9653 hmm, it's a gray line I think, between DIO FV and Kars I think that anyone could come out on top, the Kars against DIO match up is a win for Kars I think, but D4C can be used in many ways so I don't know. As long as Kars is over DIO on the list, I think FV being 5th,4th or 3rd are all valid. I just think that if Kars and DIO are not arrogant, they could come out on top
@@georgets7266 I agree, jojo is all about the matchup, so i don’t really like “top 10 strongest stands ever” as in pure strength. For example, Soft and Wet go beyond can bypass calamity, but that doesn’t mean he can get behind Dio’s back, and the same goes for Dio’s non existent chance in defeating WoU too. So i like it as “top 10 stands that have the most favorable matchup”
I disagree with the list heavily. But you do seem like a very nice guy based off the responses in comments in such my personal list would be. Kira Diavolo Brando Valentine Pucci DIO Kars Tooru I feel as tho taking away toorus main ability is very unfair towards him it would be like well naruto doesn't have reiatsu so ichigo from the first arc would soul crush adult naruto like I guess if we want to get technical yes that could happen but being fair to both characters adult naruto 1 taps first arc ichigo.
That’s because I have already discussed this scaling A LOT. ANd didn’t want to regurgitate the scaling over and over. That’s why I told everyone for a more in-depth explanation to watch the other videos.
@@MRForca You should've known better when you decided to provoke the entire fandom like this. Just look at your comment section, there's not one person that agrees with your sh*tty ranking. Do I even need to explain myself when 99% of other comments do it for me?
@@edhen683 I really don't care if alot of people disagree. Obviously there is gonna be people who are confused. Im simply trying to give a more accurate interpretation using logic and reasoning :=)
ruclips.net/video/rfe9ayKRYmc/видео.html This is where i clarify the wonder of u scaling!
Your telling me Kars, the pillar man with an IQ of 400 who can use hamon comparible to the sun and can literally eat vampires is losing to Brando
Just watch the vampire video I made where I explain it
@@MRForca nah kars should win to dio any day
ruclips.net/video/Y-N-nsbDkn0/видео.html Watch this video
I could close my eyes randomly choosing characters and I’d most likely get a better list then this
but did you watch the entire video through? Of course you're entitled to your own opinion but you gotta see mine instead of just spreading hate.
the downplay on funny and tooru is wild
I don’t think I downplayed them at all. I clearly explained why they are that weak .
putting tooru at the weakest for simply the reason being "it only works in his own universe" is quite possibly the dumbest thing I've heard in power scaling. Why don't I just say that I myself could body dio in a fight because vampires and stands don't exist in this universe?
Cause they dont exist in our universe, Its a fictional universe. Also i think you're confused by what i said in the video. CAlamity itself is a universal law meaning that he exist as a part of the universe itself. But only in the jojolion universe so we wouldn't be able to extract the law of the universe that only exist in that universe to a neutral place where they could fight. Watch my jotaro vs wou video for more context
@@MRForca regardless power scaling involves feats of what one has done and how good they would fare in a fight, where they are fighting should be fair for both fighters anyway in order for it to be an accurate scaling of how strong tooru is. If dio brando was born in the jojolion verse and had all the same powers, he wouldn't zero diff fight tooru.
i feel like you're almost trolling with your reasoning for tooru being the weakest. Let's take superman as an example. Superman needs the energy from the sun in order for his powers to work, so if we were going to power scale him against someone we wouldn't take a superman who is in a universe with no sun. You can purely nerf any character you wanted to by changing their circumstances, so even if calamity is only part of the jojolion verse it shouldnt even be a problem from the start.
1:27 another thing too is how the statement uses 超える to explain what D4C is doing. 超える can mean to cross/crossover or pass through. So it doesn’t necessarily have to mean “transcending” in the way most power scalers use it
Brooo I’m telling you 😭
If im getting this right you ranked them as
8. Tooru
7. Funny Valentine
6. Kira
5. Diavolo
4. Kars
3. Pucci
2. Dio Brando
1. DIO
1st off, why is part 1 Dio so high? He loses to every other JoJo villain except for maybe Diavolo as he would have no way of killing Dio.
2nd off, why is Valentine so low? He has the ability to hide behind an invincible wall forever, and can shift into an alternate universe body in perfect health if you don't kill him immediately. Not to mention if he drags in an alternate universe version of you then he can insta-kill you.
3rd, may I enquire why WoU wouldn't work outside of it's universe?
1. Watch the video dio stronger than pillar men. 2. Everyone is massively faster and stronger than valentine to the point where they can blow him up. 3. Were putting them all in the main universe
@@MRForca Logic is an outerversal constant so there is no reason as to why it would only work in it's own universe.
@@X3GreenTea The logic that wonder of u is talking about is the logical chain of cause and effect. He explain it as whatever attempts to harm him triggers the calamity. Watch my jotaro vs wonder of u video to fully understand.
@DonForca stand stats and narrative puts d4c on star platinum and the world's level. Plus are you implying that logic wouldn't work in other verses? Cuz automatic stands that work off logic exist in the part 1-6 universe
@@steem6279 stand stats are a general scaling of what tier they are in. That doesn’t mean that they are all relative. Also you didn’t watch the jotaro vs wonder of u video I made. I explicitly said in the video to watch it for context
Jojolion strongly implies that the laws of physics in the jjl verse would still exist in the original verse, like how rock humans existed in the other verse, we just never discovered them
wou is a universal concept yes althought his abillity is still the calamity and it surpasses logic means a guy attacking him will have the biggest unluck also wou is untouchable we can see this when josuke shot a direkt bubble to wous head and the bubble literally dodged
araki also stated that wou surpasses every other villain in strength
@@letsmer4427 He never said it surpasses logic and throught the enitre manga including interviewes araki has constantly said its below logic. Also its in reference to the logic of the world. Watch my soft and wet debunk and jotaro vs wou
@@MRForca im watching it rn looking forward it might be your first valid take
@@MRForca also ill tell you why thats false after i watched the saw video
@@letsmer4427 we can just talk about it on discord. Jaq#0001
Hey babe wake up forca uploaded
There's a reason why it's called Jojo's Bizarre Adventure
Ima always wonder how Pucci would be if he fought Asura from Asuras Wrath
Would he kill him
Or would Asura have his head in a giant crater crushed
Want me to make a video about that ? A simple yes and I’ll do it
@@MRForca yes
@@mimigumimigumi done
forca getting exposed p2 with hakoz wait for this mans downfall
Excellent Video! By the way Escanor and Hakoz are gonna expose you, Prepare for mass destruction.
I have 5 drafts im gonna upload during next week. Road to 1k!!!! My discord tag is Jaq#0001 if anyone is intersted in talking about jojo and scaling in general. I don't mind helping everyone who wants to learn. and maybe someone can teach me how to edit :)
don’t post them all in a short amount of time
W vid
Okay, first, Dio Brando wouldn't be able to win against any of the other characters, any of the stands would be untouchable for Dio and Kars as a piller man is stronger, as the ultimate life form he is way stronger, Dio couldn't win and got damaged by Jamon users, Kars is unable to die. WOU is untouchable by thing that exist outside of the universe that he is in. Even if you take him to the og universe, his abilities would work. Valentine is indeed weak compared to the others but his ability is op, the only way he can lose is if gets one shoted. Whick may be not that difficult some in this list. A better list would be.
8Dio Brando
7 Kira joshikage
6 Diavolo
5 Valentine
4 DIO
3Kars
2Made in heaven
1Wonder of you
I’d place Funny higher, then this list is spot on
@@lsnorlax9653 I think that the others could probably kill him with one shot before he can use his abilitie. That's why I put him 5th
@@georgets7266 For DIO, as i’m a believer of the chance of Diego winning the train fight is almost a certainty if he had The World instead. Kars, i think FV is smart enough to be able to have like a failsafe to use d4c at anytime, even though he should still be faster or at least around Kars’ level. Love Train is weird, nothing can anyone one this list can harm him but leaving the gap makes him vulnerable too, maybe he can dimension hop immediately after leaving?
@@lsnorlax9653 hmm, it's a gray line I think, between DIO FV and Kars I think that anyone could come out on top, the Kars against DIO match up is a win for Kars I think, but D4C can be used in many ways so I don't know. As long as Kars is over DIO on the list, I think FV being 5th,4th or 3rd are all valid. I just think that if Kars and DIO are not arrogant, they could come out on top
@@georgets7266 I agree, jojo is all about the matchup, so i don’t really like “top 10 strongest stands ever” as in pure strength. For example, Soft and Wet go beyond can bypass calamity, but that doesn’t mean he can get behind Dio’s back, and the same goes for Dio’s non existent chance in defeating WoU too. So i like it as “top 10 stands that have the most favorable matchup”
ultimate lifeform kars should be number 1 in my opinion
I could possible see that. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Thank you for watching the video though and i hope you enjoyed it
I disagree with the list heavily. But you do seem like a very nice guy based off the responses in comments in such my personal list would be.
Kira
Diavolo
Brando
Valentine
Pucci
DIO
Kars
Tooru
I feel as tho taking away toorus main ability is very unfair towards him it would be like well naruto doesn't have reiatsu so ichigo from the first arc would soul crush adult naruto like I guess if we want to get technical yes that could happen but being fair to both characters adult naruto 1 taps first arc ichigo.
Awful video, short and with too little info to support every entry, meh
That’s because I have already discussed this scaling A LOT. ANd didn’t want to regurgitate the scaling over and over. That’s why I told everyone for a more in-depth explanation to watch the other videos.
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Like 18 very nice video bhai ji 👍
Thank you so much
I think this is just a troll guys...I mean he can't be that bad can he? This is by far the worst ranking I've seen.
I explictly siad in the video that this is my ranking. Instead of hating can you provide something that would maybe change my mind?
@@MRForca Drop the act, man. We all know you're trolling. You can't be that brain dead in real life. I refuse to believe.
@@edhen683 I don’t get why you’re toxic and not dropping any valid counters tk what I’m saying in the video
@@MRForca You should've known better when you decided to provoke the entire fandom like this. Just look at your comment section, there's not one person that agrees with your sh*tty ranking. Do I even need to explain myself when 99% of other comments do it for me?
@@edhen683 I really don't care if alot of people disagree. Obviously there is gonna be people who are confused. Im simply trying to give a more accurate interpretation using logic and reasoning :=)
You overrate dio
Watch my Jonathan video and my stronger than pillarmen video😊
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