He sang it live. There was only one cut where the camera went behind the chair, this was to move the mic onto his tie for the jacket removal, otherwise it was one take. The gun was a .45 but because of UK gun law he had to pass the loaded .45 mag. to an assistant and swap it for a 9mm mag so the gun wasn't live. The front lady string player got wet so they had to buy her a new bow after shooting. The 'rain part' had to be perfect first time as they didn't have a second suit for Ren to wear if they needed to re-take.
I think there was one other cut.. I agree about the chair.. BUt when he was at the mirror and pull the bag down from the top.. his hand would be down, but all of a sudden its back up in the air
The white 'hoods' are actually money bags, the sort of bags that are used to move money around. We are inside the money bag and can't see outside of the bag and it is literally tied around our neck. However, we can remove the bag if we want to, we just need to try. To me, this is all representative of the money game that we are all playing, and that none of us can escape. All we can do, is be aware of the game.
If you spend your life seeking status, whether that's through money or political power, then you neglect the parts of life that truly hold meaning. Community, friendship, love. These are more important than anything money or power can give you. Our Society encourages us to seek wealth and power over these other things, and it's destroying us in all sorts of ways. Ultimately, this will destroy our civilisation if we don't change course.
Glad to see this one come up in my feed today :) . Just wanted to say that your genuine reactions and first impressions are fully appreciated, and they're a significant part of why I'm subscribed and watch for your videos. Ren does have a talent for rendering people speechless and/or emotional, and the quiet reflection at the end of his songs is an absolutely valid part of the reaction, and mirrors how many of us felt as well. Thanks for doing these guys, they're really well-received, certainly from my own perspective. 🙏
Ren composed all the music for this video. And like all the other instruments is self taught on piano, but less practiced on it. The professional pianist who played the music, (all but the first intro bit), was able to learn it from Ren and perform it.
Judson, it's such a pleasant surprise when you look so disinterested to the video yet when it's over you recall so much detail about it and have so much wonderful opinion to share. You may look like a dumb dumb (j/k) but you're definitely not a dumb dumb. Thanks for making the content that you've made and I'm looking forward to both diving into your past catalogue as well the future content that you and Richard will be making. :-D
Love the discussion around the bag over the head! I was reminded of Plato’s Cave or the Matrix’s red pill. Ren’s fingers moving in a subtle but panicky way to remove the knot in the rope is one of my favorite details in the video. Elsewhere someone posited that they bags were money bags - perhaps money blinding us to the evils we do in its name? So far none of the ideas I’ve come across feel “wrong” or miss the mark and that in itself is pretty damn awesome.
This one is a grower for me. The first couple of times I watched/heard it I didn't really get the hype around it. I enjoy it far more now I've experienced it more times. I love the previous Money Game installments and I think this is a fitting part. I love the way the final line links it tobthe other two. I love how the string quartet mimics the vocal ooohs at the start and I really like the different take on the ills of money, fame and power.
great reaction both of you. something justin said near the end of your chat 'you feel bad for jimmy' ren said in his twitch stream after that that was the intention was by taking the story through his whole life you build an attachment to him to feel interested in what happens to him, which then brings the message of the monologue 'its an exaggerated version of me, and a version of him, and a version of she, and a version of YOU' that the character jimmy represents us all. the other thing i got was that the father figure could represent a family member but it could also be a representation of society. for me at least one of my earliest memories as a child was getting a pound left under the pillow from the 'tooth fairy' when my baby teeth fell out...a small but first step into that money game.... Love the fact you both have a decent discussion about the song after it (with some reactors its play it with 20 pauses throughout it and a 2min ending), the way you do it is great as we all know rens music can be a bit cryptic and different people will interpret things differently, so to hear both of your interpretations was cool i think. and sure after a couple more listens of it after this initial reaction those interpretations may well be different and thats just fine!
I listened to this a few hours right after it came out. Was left bawling like a baby. So much connection to my childhood and this. The piano, my brother with the dad like the described, my brother choosing to leave instead of go down this very road, it really blew me away. And yes I thought Beethoven! Mama was a classical pianist so I heard her play a lot.
1 - Neither of you are dummies :) I always love your reactions, and your reactions to Ren are always touching, truly reflecting his music. I've recently found Ren & now recommend him to everyone I come across, I found out in my 40s that I have an autoimmune disorder after years of agony & illness,, connecting to Ren & his music is so easy for me; it's heartaching. His ability to attract musos from all genres & fans from all demographics is amazing. I can't wait to see you analyse more of Ren's music and his videos. :) Take care :)
I absolutely love you guys. Ren doesn't usually actually tell you exactly what he was thinking, and has said that there are no wrong answers. Also, Judson (hope that is right), the tracks on the album don't have all the pauses and silences that are in the videos, so you can listen to them as songs, you don't have to watch the video.
I love Justins expertise on this. We all love Ren, and we are massively impresed with him, but Justin has as much if not more musical expertise and its a beautiful education to hear him talking about Rens compositions with something to really add. Plus, he's just adorable as a reactor. Well done, Gentleman.
Ren stated "Mold will Grow upon the Surface and Consumes til it dies, and Our Fate could be the same without this Story to the Wise" His Solution is to be a Teacher Opening the Eyes of Millions with his Art and his Heart! And I think Ren's message is Crystal Clear. Ambition and Passion Without Compassion Will Cause the World To Burn! But Ambition and Passion WITH Compassion Can Save It! If enough of Us actually LISTEN to his words, then Maybe, Just Maybe the Hunan Race may Survive!
The rope to me says several things both literal and figurative. For instance, the rope starves our brain so we can’t think…the binds that shackle us to turn the phrase. I also like that the Lenin quote “ the capitalist will sell us the rope we will hang them with…”. Love your insights.
I knew the piano was going to get his attention.. I think I said in a comment in one of the last Ren videos , I couldnt wait until he heard this song.. the piano in it is amazing. Mainly because it doesnt repeat itself , every transition leads to a different melody, tempo, that compliments the words of Ren. I would have a hard time wanting to figure out the notes and watch at the same time :D This is a video that needs to be watched many times.. one to just take it all in, one to see what he is doing, one to really get the full meaning of it, one to focus on the music and its progression.. Just one of those videos that has so much going on, its hard to get all of it in one setting.
You guys really attempted to think about the ideas Ren expressed. I appreciate you for that since all three at once can be overwhelming, not to mention the topic is huge and can bring out strong emotions. Your reactions to all three parts helped me to think through these ideas. Thank you 😊.
There's nothing wrong with money... but if your sole pursuit is to accumulate it you'll never win. Even Ren admits he's part of the game but there needs to be a balance between getting/having what you need and hurting and stepping on others to get more than you need. My opinion, the hoods represent everyone as sheep (a herd) and how (like the piano player) everyone is replaceable. When Ren removes his and become the narrator he removes himself from the game. Thank you for doing this series. It's interesting to watch because you both focus on such different aspects of the music/performance.
Right on brother! I couldn't get enough of the strings 😊 And your observation of the piano baseline is so frigging dope! Thanks for the reactions guys. You showed respect for the performance abd it doesn't go unnoticed by the rest of us. 👏👏👏
Wow what an amazing interpretation! I really enjoyed your reaction. I always thought of the hood and rope around the neck as a hostage. Like saying we are all hostage to this money game. Thank you gentlemen, great insight!
Great conversation, I truly enjoy both of the perspectives and how you converse with each other. Thank you both for another great share! Much love and have a great day!
Love your insights mr classical guy Always express yourself your thoughts your music there needs to be much more understanding & appreciation for the classical music ren uses classical music as well & I think you are talented too keep grinding mr classical guy i wish you success preach your music you have a lot to say & that should be said through your music too Ignite your mind & burn the window blinds i believe you can:)
Hi Ren, a universal message many people identified with and shared very personal experiences about it's themes. The Money Games, a universal mesage that holds up a mirror to everybody, but very few are willing to express their personal experience of it. Why is that?
In both 1 and 3, right before the moment he offs himself, he carefully removes his jacket. In 1, its a raincoat, in 3, a suit jacket. In 1, he sings the chorus (rain, rain, rain), in 3 the chorus sings itself ( actual rain falling). 3 essentialy acts out all the words in 1 and 2.
I love Ren's MG series sonically, but I *really* love how much conversation he provokes. So many details that *might* prompt interpretation. Like the first meaningful moment for me is when the narrator (seems to) takes the bag off his head and steps "out" of the money game to tell a story AND THEN looks into a mirror - which is what the narrator has repeatedly asked for since part 1: "But we like to point the blame, blame, blame, blame / it’s easier to blame / but point the mirror at ourselves / we’re all part of this old money game." It's masterful storytelling how Ren plays the anonymous bard who, at times, interrupts the tale to give you a glimpse of himself. In The Tales trilogy, I think Ren did this by clearing his throat, breathing loud enough to be recorded, and most significantly by letting his annunciation of "London City, far from pretty / 2-0-0-5" get angrier and more resentful as Violet's Tale progresses. (The narrator even shakes himself as if to prepare himself before starting Violet's story just after rewinding time). In MG3, the bard gets so angry telling Jimmy's journey to corruption that he cuts the music to remind the listener that money is simply an invention that could be redefined if we educate children differently. Moreover, humanity's "fate could be the same without this story to the wise." Then he jumps back into Jimmy's story - cleverly mirroring the beginning with a twist (Ren did this in The Tales too). "Let me tell you a story about a boy named Jimmy, / One years old than his first words were my, my gimme, / Two years old, he was walking, three years old, walking quickly, / Four years old, he was running around the pavements of his city" becomes "Let me tell you a story about a boy named Jimmy, / He was 40 and he cursed the words my, my gimme, / 41, he wasn't walking, 42, not walking quickly, 43, never running round the pavement of his city," I didn't realize either of you were very engaged while watching the video, so I was excited about your discussion at the end. I've watched MG3 a lot and honestly hadn’t thought about why he used that thick, fibrous rope over the hood other than visually impactful (ie immediate association to being hung). Anyhoo, I love the video, and like the song (though not as much as a deep dive into the lyrics of "Illest of Our Time" or "Animal Flow"). Thank you for your reaction!
I love your reactions. On your comment about him removing the hood, and it gave a face to the actual person. It makes me think of the first one, at the end, he drew a face on the faceless "hostage", and then chose not to pour the gasoline on them, but on himself. I cannot define or explain the meaning to the facelessness, or the hood and rope, but do notice also, how easily he was replaced by another hooded person as well. The best part of Ren's art is how it can make you think and begin to find your own meaning.
Nice reaction and take on it! Here's how I see the Hoods and Noose thing: it's basically saying we're all stuck, like hostages in this Money Game. We're forced into this system and don't really have a choice. The cool part is, it's also showing that we're all the same underneath - you can't tell who's who when everyone's wearing a hood. In MG1, I think the dude isn't wearing a hood because he's clued in on the game. By putting eyes on the Hooded Man, it's like giving them a face for us to see and giving them eyes to see what's going on. Like, in that gas tank scene, the Hooded Man reacts, but before, he only reacted to physical stuff and sounds. That's just my take on it, though!
Great discussion, picked many of the things I saw in the video. Nurturing is a key factor for me. Father always pushing for more, in Jimmy's case, power overtakes as the currency. I draw parallels with some billionaires that feel the need to step into politics, IMO seldom for altruistic reasons. Your point at the end is relevant to many Ren songs, your take could be completely wrong you said, when in fact, Ren watches many reactions seeing things he never saw when writing the piece, but just as valid as his minds eye.
I think maybe at the end he doesn't kill himself but stop taking part in the money game because he sings "pull the trigger on the money game" and the shot doesn't seems to detonate.
2 or 3 times!! ?? i am on 10 private watches and lord knows how many reactor channels but i love you two together -- great reaction and i am 100% sure the RENegades will explain everything you missed. but i would love to point out Ren conducted the string orchestra with his back facing them using hand gestures. the guy is a genius. Jimmys dad confused money with power Jimmy had the money but he wasn't even secondary to the president.
Ren has quickly become a favourite of mine because of you guys so thank you for that. A rare talent and true artist. Got me thinking about strings in rock and would be interesting to see Judson's thoughts on Emotion Sickness by Silverchair if he doesn't know it already. Especially as it's got David Helfgott on it too (famous pianist and subject of the awesome movie Shine).
I've always seen it as "we're all just replaceable pegs in the game" but I do like the idea/concept of it also being a faceless controller. Really interesting view!
Kinda funny that the music cut out so it was only spoken word so often that Judson was having trouble picking out the melody at the end.. he's usually all over it, but the instrumentation was so sparse through most of it, we finally saw Judson not be a superhuman musical machine, playing the melody after 1 listen with robotic accuracy.. proceed gentlemen!
Dig the cynical piano player. He likes music. Ain’t that the truth about rock / 5th symphony 4th movement bounces. 7th, 3rd movement similar. He was rapping over a piano piece that drew heavily on Mozart, but didn’t copy. I like the lyrical questions, but solutions aren’t that easy. And drugs for a successful software entrepreneur? - wouldn’t happen - oh, McAfee.
And to double comment again, I think of Alexi Laiho since this is a metalhead reaction partially, he kinda ended up in the wheelchair and is gone now. Beautiful musician but the pressure never stopped his self destruction.
You could see the hoods as money bags, but I think that's less important than the simple fact that they hide your identity. Ren demonstrates in the beginning that any one of them could remove their hood if they chose to. Everyone participates in the money game, but no one wants to admit (even to themselves) that they do. Even after being called out directly and watching Jimmy take his own life for being so corrupted by money, the rest of us faceless participants are happy to go on playing the game.
Btw another one take (well almost, there is one cut just before string quartet is revealed as they needed to move mic from his jacket he is about take off and put it onto his pants). Played and sang live. Violinist on the left get splashed by the rain and her violin was damaged. She played along knowing her reaction would kill the 'one' take ... She got a new violin. Yamaha provided, tuned and installed the grand piano that is apparently 200k piece .. way to go Yamaha.
Also think the bags are about being blind to the reality of what money is doing, and we don't even notice that it is on us (among ten other things it alludes to).
White hood is defo everybody in money game one - and the eyes are trying to create awareness. You are southern gents - white hoods are different ball game there. They aren’t peaked like the three letter lynchers - or the Spanish originals. Love the thought provoking reaction. 👍
not saying this is the only way to look at it [it's not- i like the "money bags" interpretation and the interpretation in this video!] but i think it's interesting that when ren describes the white bags in the money game series, he describes them as "hostage bags"
I think the hood is a money bag 💰but we ARE faceless slaves to the money game. There is no right or wrong it is subjective and it hits different for everyone! I enjoyed your discussion! I think the strings were extremely powerful as well they always seem to lend gravity to the song/situation! The only thing I would have liked you to have mentioned more was the insane quality of the visuals including the masterful videography. Thanks as always! ✌🏻🫶🏻
Great analysis. Love it! I don't know if anyone has said this, but the bags are money bags for currency or coins. I really like the ideas you brought up. Really, really love you guys.
I was diagnosed with ms last year at 51. I worked really hard to walk again and on bad day's I use aids and I still hate it. Weight affects mobility alot. I really don't understand why people would choose to make themselves immobile. It isn't fun.
I think you should move your recording setup and the monitor behind your piano so you can improvise along with the song while you react. Thanks for the reaction. I appreciate your insightful opinion as always much love my dude
Is the intro that ren did ?¿ his own version of E. Grieg piano concerto in A menor, ?¿ I belive so... any way it was very nice what he did on composing the music for these song. He actually brought a 150 thousand dollars yamaha grand piano and made them tune it on an specific manner for his song....... amazing artist isn it?¿?... Keep going Peace ✌
@@canadianteslamartin9221 In an interview (I think it was with Joe E Sparks) Sam said Yamaha let them use it. Unless I interpreted what he said incorrectly.
Stopped watching when you kept playing with the panio rather than watching the performance. It's like people that go to a show and play on their phones :(
I hate that the other guy stops watching the video. Hate it. Pause and delve in to the piano. I've watched a few of your vids, and I haven't subscribed. Maybe this is why? I don't know. Because I do like you guys. It seems pompous to stop watching and make it about your own skills when it is a reaction. Sorry, I have to be honest. I doubt you care about my opinion though, and you probalby shouldnm't. Do yourself. But this turned me off a bit. It bugged me enough that I had to click off. I still "Liked" it, and I'll still check out more. But can't subscribe yet.
He sang it live. There was only one cut where the camera went behind the chair, this was to move the mic onto his tie for the jacket removal, otherwise it was one take. The gun was a .45 but because of UK gun law he had to pass the loaded .45 mag. to an assistant and swap it for a 9mm mag so the gun wasn't live. The front lady string player got wet so they had to buy her a new bow after shooting. The 'rain part' had to be perfect first time as they didn't have a second suit for Ren to wear if they needed to re-take.
And Ren wrote all The music himself, Even though he couldn't play a lot of it...
Bump
I think there was one other cut.. I agree about the chair.. BUt when he was at the mirror and pull the bag down from the top.. his hand would be down, but all of a sudden its back up in the air
It is a tailored suit. You don't ruin that, especially one it is probably your first ever.
@@cmecu_seemeseeyou9330It looks to me like he tosses the bag behind him rather than bringing the bag down
Guys
Money Game 1
"Turns a Saint into a Sinner, a Child into a Killer.... His money on the finger of a money game".
That's Jimmy.
The white 'hoods' are actually money bags, the sort of bags that are used to move money around. We are inside the money bag and can't see outside of the bag and it is literally tied around our neck. However, we can remove the bag if we want to, we just need to try. To me, this is all representative of the money game that we are all playing, and that none of us can escape. All we can do, is be aware of the game.
I’d really like to hear Ren do a fully orchestrated piece and I have little doubt that one day he will.
If you spend your life seeking status, whether that's through money or political power, then you neglect the parts of life that truly hold meaning. Community, friendship, love. These are more important than anything money or power can give you. Our Society encourages us to seek wealth and power over these other things, and it's destroying us in all sorts of ways. Ultimately, this will destroy our civilisation if we don't change course.
"We" need to learn the difference between
"Enough"
and
"MORE (gimmie!)
Well said!
Community, friendship, and love would give us all the power we need. At least people are really starting to think about changing.
I suggest something too cover the large window behind.
Glad to see this one come up in my feed today :) . Just wanted to say that your genuine reactions and first impressions are fully appreciated, and they're a significant part of why I'm subscribed and watch for your videos. Ren does have a talent for rendering people speechless and/or emotional, and the quiet reflection at the end of his songs is an absolutely valid part of the reaction, and mirrors how many of us felt as well. Thanks for doing these guys, they're really well-received, certainly from my own perspective. 🙏
Thank you so much! We’re excited to hear more.
Perfectly said!
I love the way Ren subtly conducts the quartet in order to bring them in, in tempo. Brilliant little detail.
I've watched it TONS of times and just recently noticed where he does it at the beginning also just out of view of the mirror for the piano
Well spotted👍
@@rodennis418didnt notice that - will look again at the piano que
You are the first person that I have seen mention that. No reactor that I have seen noticed that. I have been waiting,
@@RENfan1265 Thanks.
Ren composed all the music for this video. And like all the other instruments is self taught on piano, but less practiced on it.
The professional pianist who played the music, (all but the first intro bit), was able to learn it from Ren and perform it.
Judson, it's such a pleasant surprise when you look so disinterested to the video yet when it's over you recall so much detail about it and have so much wonderful opinion to share. You may look like a dumb dumb (j/k) but you're definitely not a dumb dumb. Thanks for making the content that you've made and I'm looking forward to both diving into your past catalogue as well the future content that you and Richard will be making. :-D
Thank you for the kind words! Glad to have you along for the ride.
Piano man you are funeral your bud was talking to you you just turned your back on him .guy in black shirt seems a nice guy
Love the discussion around the bag over the head!
I was reminded of Plato’s Cave or the Matrix’s red pill. Ren’s fingers moving in a subtle but panicky way to remove the knot in the rope is one of my favorite details in the video.
Elsewhere someone posited that they bags were money bags - perhaps money blinding us to the evils we do in its name?
So far none of the ideas I’ve come across feel “wrong” or miss the mark and that in itself is pretty damn awesome.
I hadn’t seen that comment about the hoods representing money bags - interesting .
He loosens the noose on the rope.... (almost).
This one is a grower for me. The first couple of times I watched/heard it I didn't really get the hype around it. I enjoy it far more now I've experienced it more times. I love the previous Money Game installments and I think this is a fitting part. I love the way the final line links it tobthe other two. I love how the string quartet mimics the vocal ooohs at the start and I really like the different take on the ills of money, fame and power.
Have you watched the "treasure hunt" livestream screened before the MG3 premiere?
@@rogerstarkey5390that was fire - I was yelling at the screen - so drawn in was I . The end of the treasure hunt was brilliant .
great reaction both of you. something justin said near the end of your chat 'you feel bad for jimmy' ren said in his twitch stream after that that was the intention was by taking the story through his whole life you build an attachment to him to feel interested in what happens to him, which then brings the message of the monologue 'its an exaggerated version of me, and a version of him, and a version of she, and a version of YOU' that the character jimmy represents us all. the other thing i got was that the father figure could represent a family member but it could also be a representation of society. for me at least one of my earliest memories as a child was getting a pound left under the pillow from the 'tooth fairy' when my baby teeth fell out...a small but first step into that money game....
Love the fact you both have a decent discussion about the song after it (with some reactors its play it with 20 pauses throughout it and a 2min ending), the way you do it is great as we all know rens music can be a bit cryptic and different people will interpret things differently, so to hear both of your interpretations was cool i think. and sure after a couple more listens of it after this initial reaction those interpretations may well be different and thats just fine!
The tooth fairy… I have never considered that being an early introduction to the money game. Makes you think… 🤔
@@Greatmeasures well isnt it one of the first times we get money as a kid and then go and spend it on sweets (candy..).... then we want more sweets...
@@MalcolmMXTaylor absolutely!
I listened to this a few hours right after it came out. Was left bawling like a baby. So much connection to my childhood and this. The piano, my brother with the dad like the described, my brother choosing to leave instead of go down this very road, it really blew me away. And yes I thought Beethoven! Mama was a classical pianist so I heard her play a lot.
Oh, cmmon Judson... You're a piano player and no comment on the piano part, just on the strings...?
The bags on their heads are money bags. Picture them with 💰
We are all part of this old money game
Ren composed all piano and strings music ! Other than the beginning piano piece played by Ren...of course !
1 - Neither of you are dummies :) I always love your reactions, and your reactions to Ren are always touching, truly reflecting his music. I've recently found Ren & now recommend him to everyone I come across, I found out in my 40s that I have an autoimmune disorder after years of agony & illness,, connecting to Ren & his music is so easy for me; it's heartaching.
His ability to attract musos from all genres & fans from all demographics is amazing. I can't wait to see you analyse more of Ren's music and his videos.
:) Take care :)
I absolutely love you guys.
Ren doesn't usually actually tell you exactly what he was thinking, and has said that there are no wrong answers.
Also, Judson (hope that is right), the tracks on the album don't have all the pauses and silences that are in the videos, so you can listen to them as songs, you don't have to watch the video.
FWIW...all artists say this. It helps not alienate listeners.
I love Justins expertise on this. We all love Ren, and we are massively impresed with him, but Justin has as much if not more musical expertise and its a beautiful education to hear him talking about Rens compositions with something to really add. Plus, he's just adorable as a reactor. Well done, Gentleman.
I’m enjoying your reactions.
I see the hood as indicative of the every man’s blindness to the toxicity in every aspect of the game.
Ren stated "Mold will Grow upon the Surface and Consumes til it dies, and Our Fate could be the same without this Story to the Wise" His Solution is to be a Teacher Opening the Eyes of Millions with his Art and his Heart! And I think Ren's message is Crystal Clear. Ambition and Passion Without Compassion Will Cause the World To Burn! But Ambition and Passion WITH Compassion Can Save It! If enough of Us actually LISTEN to his words, then Maybe, Just Maybe the Hunan Race may Survive!
The rope to me says several things both literal and figurative. For instance, the rope starves our brain so we can’t think…the binds that shackle us to turn the phrase. I also like that the Lenin quote “ the capitalist will sell us the rope we will hang them with…”. Love your insights.
Piano guy is deep. Would love to sit down and have tea.
Ren makes one think.
Money bags being in the game daily. Yes it is to signify it can be anyone.
Ren said that the father figure represented the most insidious parts of the American Dream.
Loved the reaction. Again. I guess now you see he ìs also part of the money game just like you said after part 2 😁🤟
I knew the piano was going to get his attention.. I think I said in a comment in one of the last Ren videos , I couldnt wait until he heard this song.. the piano in it is amazing. Mainly because it doesnt repeat itself , every transition leads to a different melody, tempo, that compliments the words of Ren. I would have a hard time wanting to figure out the notes and watch at the same time :D This is a video that needs to be watched many times.. one to just take it all in, one to see what he is doing, one to really get the full meaning of it, one to focus on the music and its progression.. Just one of those videos that has so much going on, its hard to get all of it in one setting.
You guys really attempted to think about the ideas Ren expressed. I appreciate you for that since all three at once can be overwhelming, not to mention the topic is huge and can bring out strong emotions. Your reactions to all three parts helped me to think through these ideas. Thank you 😊.
There's nothing wrong with money... but if your sole pursuit is to accumulate it you'll never win. Even Ren admits he's part of the game but there needs to be a balance between getting/having what you need and hurting and stepping on others to get more than you need. My opinion, the hoods represent everyone as sheep (a herd) and how (like the piano player) everyone is replaceable. When Ren removes his and become the narrator he removes himself from the game. Thank you for doing this series. It's interesting to watch because you both focus on such different aspects of the music/performance.
Right on brother! I couldn't get enough of the strings 😊
And your observation of the piano baseline is so frigging dope!
Thanks for the reactions guys. You showed respect for the performance abd it doesn't go unnoticed by the rest of us. 👏👏👏
Wow what an amazing interpretation! I really enjoyed your reaction. I always thought of the hood and rope around the neck as a hostage. Like saying we are all hostage to this money game. Thank you gentlemen, great insight!
Great conversation, I truly enjoy both of the perspectives and how you converse with each other. Thank you both for another great share! Much love and have a great day!
This story is exaggerated versions of you me & him so your take on part 2 was beautiful always keep saying & Express yourself mr classical guy:)
The sounds of materials, and breathing, and such; made this version of the song especially moving to me.
Don't dismiss the harpsichord... Beethoven rocked the harpsichord! So did Chavinski and Chopin!
Love your insights mr classical guy
Always express yourself your thoughts your music there needs to be much more understanding & appreciation for the classical music ren uses classical music as well
& I think you are talented too keep grinding mr classical guy i wish you success preach your music you have a lot to say & that should be said through your music too
Ignite your mind & burn the window blinds i believe you can:)
“But those riches turned to rubble when perspective evolved” 😊 spot on however, as a poor kid we would all like that rich period back 😂❤
In the song “Jimmy” was all alone with no family or close friends as well
Hi Ren, a universal message many people identified with and shared very personal experiences about it's themes.
The Money Games, a universal mesage that holds up a mirror to everybody, but very few are willing to express their personal experience of it.
Why is that?
I've been waiting for you guys to react to this. Great insights.
In both 1 and 3, right before the moment he offs himself, he carefully removes his jacket. In 1, its a raincoat, in 3, a suit jacket. In 1, he sings the chorus (rain, rain, rain), in 3 the chorus sings itself ( actual rain falling). 3 essentialy acts out all the words in 1 and 2.
I love Ren's MG series sonically, but I *really* love how much conversation he provokes. So many details that *might* prompt interpretation. Like the first meaningful moment for me is when the narrator (seems to) takes the bag off his head and steps "out" of the money game to tell a story AND THEN looks into a mirror - which is what the narrator has repeatedly asked for since part 1: "But we like to point the blame, blame, blame, blame / it’s easier to blame / but point the mirror at ourselves / we’re all part of this old money game."
It's masterful storytelling how Ren plays the anonymous bard who, at times, interrupts the tale to give you a glimpse of himself. In The Tales trilogy, I think Ren did this by clearing his throat, breathing loud enough to be recorded, and most significantly by letting his annunciation of "London City, far from pretty / 2-0-0-5" get angrier and more resentful as Violet's Tale progresses. (The narrator even shakes himself as if to prepare himself before starting Violet's story just after rewinding time). In MG3, the bard gets so angry telling Jimmy's journey to corruption that he cuts the music to remind the listener that money is simply an invention that could be redefined if we educate children differently. Moreover, humanity's "fate could be the same without this story to the wise." Then he jumps back into Jimmy's story - cleverly mirroring the beginning with a twist (Ren did this in The Tales too). "Let me tell you a story about a boy named Jimmy, / One years old than his first words were my, my gimme, / Two years old, he was walking, three years old, walking quickly, / Four years old, he was running around the pavements of his city" becomes "Let me tell you a story about a boy named Jimmy, / He was 40 and he cursed the words my, my gimme, / 41, he wasn't walking, 42, not walking quickly, 43, never running round the pavement of his city,"
I didn't realize either of you were very engaged while watching the video, so I was excited about your discussion at the end. I've watched MG3 a lot and honestly hadn’t thought about why he used that thick, fibrous rope over the hood other than visually impactful (ie immediate association to being hung).
Anyhoo, I love the video, and like the song (though not as much as a deep dive into the lyrics of "Illest of Our Time" or "Animal Flow"). Thank you for your reaction!
I love your reactions. On your comment about him removing the hood, and it gave a face to the actual person. It makes me think of the first one, at the end, he drew a face on the faceless "hostage", and then chose not to pour the gasoline on them, but on himself. I cannot define or explain the meaning to the facelessness, or the hood and rope, but do notice also, how easily he was replaced by another hooded person as well. The best part of Ren's art is how it can make you think and begin to find your own meaning.
Just incredible
Nice reaction and take on it! Here's how I see the Hoods and Noose thing: it's basically saying we're all stuck, like hostages in this Money Game. We're forced into this system and don't really have a choice. The cool part is, it's also showing that we're all the same underneath - you can't tell who's who when everyone's wearing a hood. In MG1, I think the dude isn't wearing a hood because he's clued in on the game. By putting eyes on the Hooded Man, it's like giving them a face for us to see and giving them eyes to see what's going on. Like, in that gas tank scene, the Hooded Man reacts, but before, he only reacted to physical stuff and sounds. That's just my take on it, though!
Looking forward to your reaction to this one in particular ...
Great discussion, picked many of the things I saw in the video. Nurturing is a key factor for me. Father always pushing for more, in Jimmy's case, power overtakes as the currency. I draw parallels with some billionaires that feel the need to step into politics, IMO seldom for altruistic reasons. Your point at the end is relevant to many Ren songs, your take could be completely wrong you said, when in fact, Ren watches many reactions seeing things he never saw when writing the piece, but just as valid as his minds eye.
I think maybe at the end he doesn't kill himself but stop taking part in the money game because he sings "pull the trigger on the money game" and the shot doesn't seems to detonate.
Very interesting reaction enjoyed !
"The best part musically for me was the string quartet."
"Why?"
"I just love string quartets."
I feel ya brah!
Not even listening to what he's saying because you're playing your piano through the song 😂
Oh my God it is a masterpiece
2 or 3 times!! ?? i am on 10 private watches and lord knows how many reactor channels but i love you two together -- great reaction and i am 100% sure the RENegades will explain everything you missed. but i would love to point out Ren conducted the string orchestra with his back facing them using hand gestures. the guy is a genius. Jimmys dad confused money with power Jimmy had the money but he wasn't even secondary to the president.
He really is a genius
Judson, I think, is reminded of lynch mobs, but the sack over the head was on the one getting hung, (at least in old westerns),, not the mob.
Great breakdown of the song 😊
there heads are the bags of money. I think
Ren has quickly become a favourite of mine because of you guys so thank you for that. A rare talent and true artist.
Got me thinking about strings in rock and would be interesting to see Judson's thoughts on Emotion Sickness by Silverchair if he doesn't know it already. Especially as it's got David Helfgott on it too (famous pianist and subject of the awesome movie Shine).
The rope *could* go all the way back to Hi Ren...
The voice that you hear when you loosen the noose.....
(Probably too far)
That occurred to me too...
I've always seen it as "we're all just replaceable pegs in the game" but I do like the idea/concept of it also being a faceless controller. Really interesting view!
Kinda funny that the music cut out so it was only spoken word so often that Judson was having trouble picking out the melody at the end.. he's usually all over it, but the instrumentation was so sparse through most of it, we finally saw Judson not be a superhuman musical machine, playing the melody after 1 listen with robotic accuracy.. proceed gentlemen!
Dig the cynical piano player. He likes music.
Ain’t that the truth about rock / 5th symphony 4th movement bounces. 7th, 3rd movement similar.
He was rapping over a piano piece that drew heavily on
Mozart, but didn’t copy.
I like the lyrical questions, but solutions aren’t that easy.
And drugs for a successful software entrepreneur? - wouldn’t happen - oh, McAfee.
Thanks Gents 🙏🦉❤️🐊👍
Um Ren just put out another song completely instrumental on the keyboard. Love to see yall check it out. Thanks have a great day
It would help if the guy at the piano actually listened...
Money bags and I think you are right it is all of us
everyone is held hostage by money
hence the hoods
And to double comment again, I think of Alexi Laiho since this is a metalhead reaction partially, he kinda ended up in the wheelchair and is gone now. Beautiful musician but the pressure never stopped his self destruction.
You could see the hoods as money bags, but I think that's less important than the simple fact that they hide your identity.
Ren demonstrates in the beginning that any one of them could remove their hood if they chose to. Everyone participates in the money game, but no one wants to admit (even to themselves) that they do.
Even after being called out directly and watching Jimmy take his own life for being so corrupted by money, the rest of us faceless participants are happy to go on playing the game.
Btw another one take (well almost, there is one cut just before string quartet is revealed as they needed to move mic from his jacket he is about take off and put it onto his pants).
Played and sang live.
Violinist on the left get splashed by the rain and her violin was damaged. She played along knowing her reaction would kill the 'one' take ... She got a new violin.
Yamaha provided, tuned and installed the grand piano that is apparently 200k piece .. way to go Yamaha.
Also think the bags are about being blind to the reality of what money is doing, and we don't even notice that it is on us (among ten other things it alludes to).
Do I see a Vulvodynia shirt!?!?!
Yes! 🤘
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I absolutely loved the string quartet and agree with Judson that i wish there was more of them in it. 😊😊😊
White hood is defo everybody in money game one - and the eyes are trying to create awareness.
You are southern gents - white hoods are different ball game there. They aren’t peaked like the three letter lynchers - or the Spanish originals.
Love the thought provoking reaction. 👍
not saying this is the only way to look at it [it's not- i like the "money bags" interpretation and the interpretation in this video!] but i think it's interesting that when ren describes the white bags in the money game series, he describes them as "hostage bags"
I think the hood is a money bag 💰but we ARE faceless slaves to the money game. There is no right or wrong it is subjective and it hits different for everyone! I enjoyed your discussion! I think the strings were extremely powerful as well they always seem to lend gravity to the song/situation! The only thing I would have liked you to have mentioned more was the insane quality of the visuals including the masterful videography. Thanks as always! ✌🏻🫶🏻
The hoods are money bags. As music should do its created conversation about the muse.
Great analysis. Love it! I don't know if anyone has said this, but the bags are money bags for currency or coins. I really like the ideas you brought up. Really, really love you guys.
Thank you!
I was diagnosed with ms last year at 51.
I worked really hard to walk again and on bad day's I use aids and I still hate it.
Weight affects mobility alot. I really don't understand why people would choose to make themselves immobile. It isn't fun.
Ren is 🪄🎼🦄 🤘😊👍💙🇫🇮
I think you should move your recording setup and the monitor behind your piano so you can improvise along with the song while you react. Thanks for the reaction. I appreciate your insightful opinion as always much love my dude
Maybe even a second cam for recording your fingers
I think they are "faceless" with the hoods but I keep thinking that the hoods are money bag imagery. They are hooded/blinded by the money bag/game.
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A sign of brilliance is seeing a fellow musician just having to give it a go immediately
Another spot on reaction. for me, the only artist comparable to Ren is Bertold Brecht
That 1800s thing your referencing never existed in Britain That's not it. Love your reactions
Is the intro that ren did ?¿ his own version of E. Grieg piano concerto in A menor, ?¿
I belive so... any way it was very nice what he did on composing the music for these song.
He actually brought a 150 thousand dollars yamaha grand piano and made them tune it on an specific manner for his song.......
amazing artist isn it?¿?...
Keep going
Peace
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I heard that the piano was rented for this video.
@@canadianteslamartin9221 In an interview (I think it was with Joe E Sparks) Sam said Yamaha let them use it. Unless I interpreted what he said incorrectly.
@@IFroggy112 - yes, it was either rented or loaned. You are right.
The foxy Renaert
Imagine something that can beat Ren? Only Ren 😂😮
Stopped watching when you kept playing with the panio rather than watching the performance. It's like people that go to a show and play on their phones :(
So you're telling him how to react and conduct himself on his channel..maybe watching Reaction vid's isn't for you.
It's his way of processing the musical part. Focus on the other guy, in those moments 😊
Pity, cause he does a pity good interpretation at the end the video
The guy with the glasses looks so bored with it.
You’d think. He even turns away so much and still has excellent commentary. Likely just on the spectrum, and absorbed this differently than others
Yes, I'll take that as a possible cause.👍
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No ref to Grieg guys?
Ive learned to temper how far I go sometimes
Watching a grey haired liberal refusing to have his eyes opened is hilarious 😂😂😂😂
Interesting thoughts.
Classical musician kept looking away and testing notes on piano at some key moments. Very frustrating.
So much disrespect by not watching the performance. Pause the video next time, we don't mind waiting.
I hate that the other guy stops watching the video. Hate it. Pause and delve in to the piano. I've watched a few of your vids, and I haven't subscribed. Maybe this is why? I don't know. Because I do like you guys. It seems pompous to stop watching and make it about your own skills when it is a reaction. Sorry, I have to be honest. I doubt you care about my opinion though, and you probalby shouldnm't. Do yourself. But this turned me off a bit. It bugged me enough that I had to click off. I still "Liked" it, and I'll still check out more. But can't subscribe yet.
Turning your back in some one who's talking to you is rude.