As a fellow Asian, I don't think Jort's attitude towards the Chinese was condescending in the least; rather, it's an accurate reflection of the undeniable biases in the menswear industry. It's good to get it out there because it shows the change in his attitude after experiencing what SuitSupply's workers can do. Don't be overly-sensitive! Great job on SuitSupply for showing us the non-sweatshop conditions of their factory.
I understand people are feeling weird about this but I think they are very honest and showing transparency which is important for many of us as it creates trust.
@@growingmelancholy8374 I mean, all companies do in this industry, except those that sell at premium prices. Which unfortunately not many can afford. If those workers did not work for suitsupply, or in fact any western company, they'd be working for a chinese firm and be paid the same (probably even less, as chinese giants can get away with a lot of things thanks to support from government). So, while this video feels a bit weird, that's because they are being straight up honest whereas most comparable brands would simply try to sweep it under the rag.
I agree it was a bit weird, I guess it's because we are not used to hear such an honest and straightforward video. Marketing tries to sugar coat everything....this went straight to the facts, yes its made in china, etc etc
Great to see some behind the scenes work, Jort is a legend I have a couple of his suits and they're as good as anything that comes out of Italy at twice the price
It’s funny how nobody gets the free market. These people aren’t forced to work there. They chose the job because it’s the best they could have. Raising the wage would be less jobs, which would cause people to be out of food because we decided the job to be beneath some Western standard. I am Dutch and I think Jort’s directness and honesty is virtuous.
I'm puzzled as to why Chinese people would find this video condescending. It is underlined that the Chinese people are hard workers, are great at craftsmanship, and he even gives a reason as to why the biases of Europe about the Chinese industry (everything from China is 'rubbish') are not true. Sure, that bias itself might be condescending, but to ignore it would just be bad marketing. A video should explain what customers think (keep in mind that this includes and probably mostly consists of European middle-aged or older men), and I am of the opinion that this video does that very well.
I’ll start buying their products when they bring the factories to Europe. Plus it is a Dutch company. Dutch only understand about money, not about quality tailoring. I don’t care how much honesty the brand is selling here, I’ll stick to Italians.
No, at this moment the salary in China is quite higher. In Shanghai, generally, net salary almost reach the avarage salary in NL. In wenzhou, it can be lower indeed. But 1 dollars per day is impossible.
I already said: 1 dollars per day is impossible. They are working in the town close by Shanghai. The lowest salary there is around 300 euro per month. Don't misunderstand and make "issue".
The opinion what I gave is about the cost of labor in that location. Wenzhou is close by Shanghai and their salary is not what you or he expected. And I just gave a sort of correction. It is not zero sense at all as you said. Another truth is that some of the west manufactures already left from China because of the cost of labor.
I'm interested in the lives of the employees. Are they happy? Do they truly feel satisfied with the work they're doing everyday, do they have similar opportunities in their lives?
@M. J. it's perceived as weird because it's so straightforward and honest, no one company would dare to show and admit that their stuff is made in a Chinese factory, yet he gives a lot of valid points about why China is a good option.
I found very offensive you say that the Chinese are working twice as hard as the italians and that our capability of making good suits is deteriorated.
+dinoballz That it's made in China has no real effect on the quality. As long as the fabric is of good quality, the rest will be a cake walk. The chinese workers make their living off this, and they'll put in hard work and dedication to remain in the business. I commend SuitSupply for their transparency, and the chinese for their hard work.
Depends. Stack them (the cheaper Suit supply line) up against a Boggi suit that is twice as expensive and Boggi loses by far. Of course, it does not compare to real Italian craftsmanship but then your suit will be >1609eur
@@datshitcray £850 made in Italy paul smith suit is easily better than any suit supply to me. Then again I just don't buy chines made clothing. So you could say I'm biased.
As a fellow Asian, I don't think Jort's attitude towards the Chinese was condescending in the least; rather, it's an accurate reflection of the undeniable biases in the menswear industry. It's good to get it out there because it shows the change in his attitude after experiencing what SuitSupply's workers can do. Don't be overly-sensitive! Great job on SuitSupply for showing us the non-sweatshop conditions of their factory.
I understand people are feeling weird about this but I think they are very honest and showing transparency which is important for many of us as it creates trust.
trust? trust that they exploit "cheap" labor?
@@growingmelancholy8374 I mean, all companies do in this industry, except those that sell at premium prices. Which unfortunately not many can afford. If those workers did not work for suitsupply, or in fact any western company, they'd be working for a chinese firm and be paid the same (probably even less, as chinese giants can get away with a lot of things thanks to support from government). So, while this video feels a bit weird, that's because they are being straight up honest whereas most comparable brands would simply try to sweep it under the rag.
@@growingmelancholy8374 Dont be naive, almost everything we buy comes from cheap labour countries....
@@NotstarvinMarvin Speak for yourself, son. However, you think this type of argument justifies it? Ha!
@@growingmelancholy8374 what mobile phone do you have?
I agree it was a bit weird, I guess it's because we are not used to hear such an honest and straightforward video. Marketing tries to sugar coat everything....this went straight to the facts, yes its made in china, etc etc
pound for pound the best value in the world for suits.
Great to see some behind the scenes work, Jort is a legend I have a couple of his suits and they're as good as anything that comes out of Italy at twice the price
It’s funny how nobody gets the free market. These people aren’t forced to work there. They chose the job because it’s the best they could have. Raising the wage would be less jobs, which would cause people to be out of food because we decided the job to be beneath some Western standard. I am Dutch and I think Jort’s directness and honesty is virtuous.
I'm puzzled as to why Chinese people would find this video condescending. It is underlined that the Chinese people are hard workers, are great at craftsmanship, and he even gives a reason as to why the biases of Europe about the Chinese industry (everything from China is 'rubbish') are not true. Sure, that bias itself might be condescending, but to ignore it would just be bad marketing. A video should explain what customers think (keep in mind that this includes and probably mostly consists of European middle-aged or older men), and I am of the opinion that this video does that very well.
They are just at the right price point. Love suitsupply
I swear this is what a welsh bar sounds like at last call.
Wow....Great Job. I love SuitSupply !
Prachtige kleding draagt Jort altijd!!!
I can understand the feelings suits making... .Great Job. I love SuitSupply !
Goddamn, that guy's so passionate. Awesome video
ik moet eigenlijk wel even een JORT aanschaffen
Anyone know what the factory is called? or their website address> Thanks
Honesty and trust
Amazing !
I’ll start buying their products when they bring the factories to Europe. Plus it is a Dutch company. Dutch only understand about money, not about quality tailoring. I don’t care how much honesty the brand is selling here, I’ll stick to Italians.
how much do they get? 1 dollars a day? 2 dollar?
No, at this moment the salary in China is quite higher. In Shanghai, generally, net salary almost reach the avarage salary in NL. In wenzhou, it can be lower indeed. But 1 dollars per day is impossible.
I already said: 1 dollars per day is impossible. They are working in the town close by Shanghai. The lowest salary there is around 300 euro per month. Don't misunderstand and make "issue".
The opinion what I gave is about the cost of labor in that location. Wenzhou is close by Shanghai and their salary is not what you or he expected. And I just gave a sort of correction. It is not zero sense at all as you said. Another truth is that some of the west manufactures already left from China because of the cost of labor.
So better talking about the truth, not your expectation.
don't forget the original question is about 1 dollar. don't make fool of yourself! you shift topic like a bird always.
I'm interested in the lives of the employees. Are they happy? Do they truly feel satisfied with the work they're doing everyday, do they have similar opportunities in their lives?
Similar opportunities to what? Europeans? In 2020 actually, better. They’re doing better than us this year.
@@MartinIrwin Why?
Net ff té nep Jort!
We need a fabric
A better quality suit beats cheap crap that gets thrown into the bin. Wouldn't it be better for the planet to have less crap lingering around.
nice
I hope he pays those workers a good wage
Zo spreek je het uit: “wunjow”
that pleated shoulder is not my thing... it should be structured and roped to create that strong masculin look!
goede kleding
Hmm.. Slightly weird video
@M. J. it's perceived as weird because it's so straightforward and honest, no one company would dare to show and admit that their stuff is made in a Chinese factory, yet he gives a lot of valid points about why China is a good option.
indochino factory in china looks way way better than this......
Where do they get their fabrics? Thats right, Italy, the country he is trying to diss with his cheap suit copies.
Trying to diss, can you even read lol? He says that the best suits are still in Italy, but the craftmanship is too expensive, which I can understand.
I found very offensive you say that the Chinese are working twice as hard as the italians and that our capability of making good suits is deteriorated.
He is undeniably right though
sanserof7 undeniably is a strong statement that needs proofs
It's for skinny people only. If you have a bit stronger arms and thighs and you are athletic or lift weights don't buy it.
Ilija Tomasovic dont wear a suit if you shaped like a toy figurine bro
UnrulyST I'm just a bit athletic. Nothing much. Suit must be tailor made, otherwise it's a gamble
most suits seem poor today if you got large thighs like me.
Why is this video so condescending towards Chinese people?
JTTTTTGGGGG I agree. Shameful
What is so condescending about this video? He is praising them for their craftmanship
I am Chinese and I can speak Dutch, this video is NOT condescending towards Chinese people. He sounds very respectful actually.
Suits? yes.
Suit Supply? yes yes
Jort collection? meh
Made in China? I'll be taking my business elsewhere...
+dinoballz That it's made in China has no real effect on the quality. As long as the fabric is of good quality, the rest will be a cake walk. The chinese workers make their living off this, and they'll put in hard work and dedication to remain in the business. I commend SuitSupply for their transparency, and the chinese for their hard work.
dinoballz lol you probably have a Samsung phone or iPhone. Made in the same conditions.
@@grunchidetrap476 commented from his chinese build computer while wearing his chinese made comfortable clothes
sorry to tell you but them suit supply suits don't compare with suits maid in Italy no way
Depends. Stack them (the cheaper Suit supply line) up against a Boggi suit that is twice as expensive and Boggi loses by far. Of course, it does not compare to real Italian craftsmanship but then your suit will be >1609eur
@@datshitcray £850 made in Italy paul smith suit is easily better than any suit supply to me. Then again I just don't buy chines made clothing. So you could say I'm biased.
@@donone7686 or racist
@@MartinIrwin yes but for the fact I'm mixed race you could be right, you plank
Don One Paul smith is nothing compared with Orazio luciano Or Cesare Attolini
Speaking about China in such a condescending manner. This was painful to watch.
Medicine Medicine ?
Not true at all.
@depression is for the rich de groep is echt een stuk leuker zonder jou