Should Protestants View Catholics As Christians?
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2024
- In this video Dr. Rod Ashley discusses catholicism and it's differences from protestantism and whether or not they are Christians.
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Roman Catholic here. I appreciated the video. The only thing I would say is the Catholic Church actually teaches that works don't necessarily save you in the sense that you are "working" your way to Heaven. We would say that God's grace alone saves you, but it is up to you to cooperate with that grace. This is why in James 2:24 we see that we are not saved by faith alone. The works don't save you in a way that you earn it, but they are your act of cooperation with God.
To put it another way, if you read the entire chapter of James 2, we see that a mere intellectual acknowledgment of God's existence isn't enough. Instead, it is a love for Jesus Christ that can be defined as a saving faith. But as our Lord says in the gospels, "if you love me obey my commands "(John 14:15-17). It is in this sense we say that works play a role. Also, I believe it was Pope Benedict XVI who gave a sermon saying that if you define "faith" in this way, then Luther's formula of faith alone works.
Anyway, nothing but respect for my Protestant brothers and sisters. I love you guys and will keep you in my prayers.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, appreciate it!
@@frogmanvc The thought that, according to Catholic teaching, one is not saved by faith alone, nor works alone. For example, Christ said that 'when he was hungry, you fed Him, when He was naked you clothed Him.....' and by that, whenever you did that to the least of His people, you did it to Him. Or when Paul writes that if you have faith enough to move mountains but have not love, you are nothing. So, according to the Catholic perspective, faith and works go hand in hand.
@@user-gb9dg6jn2n Exactly. Also judging from the Polish Eagle on your profile photo, good to see a fellow Pole on here 🇵🇱
FACTS:
Christ NEVER taught that Peter is a pope.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary will go to heaven.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary is a mediator/intecessor.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary never sinned.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary remained virgin.
Christ NEVER Taught that a mere man is head of His church.
Christ NEVER taught about a church named Catholic.
Christ NEVER taught that we can pray to the dead.
Christ NEVER taught that the dead can hear our prayers.
Christ NEVER taught that anyone can change the day of worship.
Christ NEVER taught to confess to a "priest"
Christ NEVER Taught a priest can forgive your sins.
Christ NEVER taught salvation is through a church.
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CHRISTIAN
The Greek word Χριστιανός (Christianos), meaning "follower of Christ", comes from Χριστός (Christos), meaning "anointed one",
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A Christian (/ˈkrɪstʃən, -tiən/) is a person who follows or adheres to Christianity, a monotheistic Abrahamic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ.
Roman Catholic here---Maybe you will answer my questions and refute my Facts.
FACTS:
Christ NEVER taught that Peter is a pope.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary will go to heaven.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary is a mediator/intercessor.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary never sinned.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary remained virgin.
Christ NEVER Taught that a mere man is head of His church.
Christ NEVER taught about a church named Catholic.
Christ NEVER taught that we can pray to the dead.
Christ NEVER taught that the dead can hear our prayers.
Christ NEVER taught that anyone can change the day of worship.
Christ NEVER taught to confess to a "priest"
Christ NEVER Taught a priest can forgive your sins.
Christ NEVER taught salvation is through a church.
Christ NEVER taught to pray to, or with beads!!!
>>>>
Question where can I find in scripture?
Indulgences?
Penance?
Confession booth?
Purgatory?
Baby baptism?
December 25th
Easter?
Monstrance?
Black Pope?
Unmarried priest?
Priest drinking wine ?
Wizard hat? Mitre
Kissing of statues?
Burning incense to statues?
Sprinkle “ so called Holy Water “ on statues and people?
The use of Coptic shell decoration on baby baptism bowl?
Praying to the dead?
Please attach scripture of any Hebrew keeping SUNDAY as a holy day?
You think this is fun right you think I have nothing better to do with my life????
You think Satan cares about you? I know he hates me…. He can use his servants as vipers
Christ has given the solution….HIS WORD !
This is not personal.
Thank you for your charitable heart towards Catholics. It is like a balm to the wounds suffered on both sides. The Charity with which we treat each other despite our differences is the proof of our being authentic Christians.
What unites us is Jesus. He is greater than what divides us.
Prayers from a cradle Catholic lady in the Philippines.
This was a surprisingly charitable analysis, thank you for that. However it was still a bit in error about what the Catholic understanding of faith and works is and how they relate to salvation.
As a person who was raised Baptist and entered into full communion with the Catholic Church (swam the Tiber as they say!) as an adult based on intellectual and faith convictions, I think it’s most simple to view faith and works as two sides of one coin. They are inseparable from one another, and it was sadly Luther’s misunderstanding stemming from his deep-seated insecurities and likely psychological maladies that led to the disfigurement of the term “faith” by redefining it to mean essentially “intellectual assent” which it never was understood to be before, and subsequent ripping apart of this new understanding of “faith” from works. They are ONE coin, in two sides, and CANNOT EXIST one without the other.
Saving faith is “faith expressing itself in love”. That’s the best definition I think one can give. Pax Christi.
Both have their place in a Christians life for sure. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Appreciate the kindness.
However, when I hear Protestants say, “we don’t believe that works are needed in order to be saved or to make it to heaven”, I get astonished.
When you read Jesus saying, “Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire” (Matthew 7:19) or Paul saying, “do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God” (1 Corinthians 6:9-10), how can you possibly assert that what we do is irrelevant for our final destination?
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. It's not that good works are not important, they most definitely are. But, it's our faith in Jesus that is the only reason any of us are actually capable of obtaining salvation. The way you live your life simply either reflects your faith in Jesus, or it doesn't. But it is not the source of salvation. Hopefully, I explained that well haha.
@@SnohomishFaith thanks for your kind reply.
I have a question then. What happens when we stop producing good fruits after we get saved?
I am thinking for example about those many Christians who maybe used to be on fire with Jesus and filled with the Holy Spirit (previous pastors, etc.) but then eventually lost their faith and became atheists (there are so many “de-conversion” testimonies on YT).
Are they still going to make it to heaven even if they die as atheists?
@@thejerichoconnection3473 If they've rejected their faith in Jesus/rejected their salvation, then I don't see why they would be in heaven. Depending on who you ask though, the answer may be different. But at the end of the day, it's all in God's hands.
@@SnohomishFaith ok, thanks for your answer. So, based on your own answer, wouldn’t you conclude that our actions/decisions do matter in terms of our final destination?
@@thejerichoconnection3473 The action/decision to trust in Jesus, sure.
First: answer was gentle and humble and kind, which I appreciate.
Second: If you want to know what Catholics believe, why don’t you have a Catholic on and ask *them*. Protestants are always asking other Protestants what Catholics believe, instead of asking a Catholic, and in almost 100% of cases the Protestant has it wrong.
If you need a suggestion for someone to have on you show, I recommend Scott Hahn, Trent Horn, or Joe Heschemeyer. Also, Patrick Madrid, or Tim Staples.
Awesome idea!
quote----Second: If you want to know what Catholics believe, why don’t you have a Catholic on and ask *them*. Protestants are always asking other Protestants what Catholics believe, instead of asking a Catholic, and in almost 100% of cases the Protestant has it wrong.. unquote
I have asked OVER 260 Catholics these questions and NOT ONE will answer the way I ask!!! I either get condemnation, told to read that/this book. watch that/this video---OR told to talk to a priest!!!
WHERE is there just one verse IN the Bible that says: GOD RESTED on the first day of the week?
WHERE is there just one verse IN the Bible that says: GOD BLESSED the first day of the week?
WHERE is there just one verse IN the Bible that says: GOD SANCTIFIED the first day of the week?
WHERE is there just one verse IN the Bible that says: GOD NAMED the first day of the week?
WHERE is there just one verse IN the Bible that says: GOD DECLARES the first day of the week as HOLY DAY ?
***quote---the day when the Holy Spirit came upon the Apostles (Day of Pentecost). .. unquote
WHERE in the bible does God/Jesus says it is claimed to be a special day to be celebated?????
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#6--Quote the Holy Bible that says Mary prayed to/with beads.
#7--Quote the Holy Bible that says Mary went to/ will go to heaven.
#8--Quote the Holy Bible that says Mary is an mediator/intercessor.
#9--Quote the Holy Bible that says Mary remained a virgin all her life.
#10--Quote the Holy Bible that says Mary did not sin.
#11--Quote the Holy Bible that says a mere man is Head of the church.
#12--Quote the Holy Bible that says there are popes in God's kingdom.
#13--Quote the Holy Bible that says we are to confess our sins to a
priest.
#14--Quote the Holy Bible that says there is an "one holy Apolistic church?
#15--Quote the Holy Bible that says the seventh day is not the Sabbath.
#16--Quote the Holy Bible that says Rome is where Jesus will have His headquarters.
#17--Quote the Holy Bible that says Peter was in Rome.
#18--Quote the Holy Bible that says Mary is the Ark of the covenant.
Hi, Eastern Catholic here.
0:50 Catholics don't believe in "works". However we Catholics end up defending the notion of works due to constant crap thrown to us by protestants who never understand what the Catholics are actually supposed to believe.
Catholics are supposed to believe all is grace, works included. That's what Augustine said too.
But why do works matter? Because works, more like "deeds", are the expression of our love of God and of our neighbour.
It is by our deeds that we bear our own cross as Jesus, it is by our deeds that we trust God, it is by our deeds that we honor God the most.
I say deeds and not just works because in all other languages apart English "works" has the broader meaning that "deeds" has.
I think our comments section is becoming a good representation that not everyone thinks the same exact way, Catholic or Protestant haha. Appreciate you sharing your thoughts!
One of the problems with differentiating Catholics and Protestants is "Faith" and "Works" are not mutually exclusive. We are saved by the grace of the father, son and holy spirit alone. Nothing we "do" gives us more grace. However, we have to cooperate with God's will for us and participate in this grace by "picking up our cross and following him". That means we have to "act" like Christians for the right reasons, not to just appear like we are pious.
I've spent a few years reading early church fathers and reformation "protests" So many protestant denominations are so far from the reformation "issues" by saying "scripture alone"
I've read to protestants the exact Catholic dogma directly from the catechism and they say "Yes, that's what we believe". But, when I tell them "That's what Catholics believe they say "No, that is not Catholic belief, they are "works based". Ugh.
Look, you can believe whatever you want. But, it's intellectually dishonest to deny that Catholic teaching is based on the bible and the beliefs of the Apostles. It's directly related to the teachings of Jesus and the understanding of the Apostles and their immediate followers. All.Of.It.
Thanks for sharing your perspective!
quote------ But, it's intellectually dishonest to deny that Catholic teaching is based on the bible and the beliefs of the Apostles.... unquote
PROVE them otherwise with SCRIPTURE!!!! Book, chapter and verses ONLY!!!
FACTS:
Christ NEVER taught that Peter is a pope.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary will go to heaven.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary is a mediator/intercessor.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary never sinned.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary remained virgin.
Christ NEVER Taught that a mere man is head of His church.
Christ NEVER taught about a church named Catholic.
Christ NEVER taught that we can pray to the dead.
Christ NEVER taught that the dead can hear our prayers.
Christ NEVER taught that anyone can change the day of worship.
Christ NEVER taught to confess to a "priest"
Christ NEVER Taught a priest can forgive your sins.
Christ NEVER taught salvation is through a church.
Christ NEVER taught to pray to, or with beads!!!
>>>>
Question where can I find in scripture?
Indulgences?
Penance?
Black Pope? The Church's records tell us there were potentially three Black popes in Catholic history: Pope Victor I, who headed the church from 189-199, Pope Miltiades (311-314), and Pope Gelasius I, who was pope from 492-496
Confession booth?
Purgatory?
Baby baptism?
December 25th
Easter?
Monstrance?
Unmarried priest?
Priest drinking wine ?
Wizard hat? Mitre
Kissing of statues?
Burning incense to statues?
Sprinkle “ so called Holy Water “ on statues and people?
The use of Coptic shell decoration on baby baptism bowl?
Praying to the dead?
Please attach scripture of any Hebrew keeping SUNDAY as a holy day?
You think this is fun right you think I have nothing better to do with my life????
You think Satan cares about you? I know he hates me…. He can use his servants as vipers
Christ has given the solution….HIS WORD !
This is not personal.
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CHRISTIAN
The Greek word Χριστιανός (Christianos), meaning "follower of Christ", comes from Χριστός (Christos), meaning "anointed one",
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A Christian (/ˈkrɪstʃən, -tiən/) is a person who follows or adheres to Christianity, a monotheistic Abrahamic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ.
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@@mitchellosmer1293 excellent post.
Christ never taught about a church called Protestant, Lutheran or Calvinist. Religions that started 1500 years after the crucifixion of Christ. Explain to us why if an exorcism is needed no one calls for a pastor, they call for a Catholic Priest. Why do satanists perform black Masses instead of revivals and try to steal consecrated hosts to defile. Why did the Protestant church feel the need to remove seven books out of the Bible? That is the word of God you removed. We could go on but deep down you know the answer. All your questions have been answered and refuted a million times over. It’s tiring.
Faith without works is dead.
James 2 14-24
28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”
29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”
Works are the fruits of faith.
Remember even the devil has Faith in God and even he believes that Jesus is the only son of the living God. So will Satan be saved?
@@CountCulture27you're saying the same thing. You need works. As a result of faith in Christ sure, but you still need them. You said it yourself.
Irrelevant. That doesn't say salvation without works is dead. Salvation is not acquired by works, but Catholicism is a works based religious system and so is a different gospel and is accursed _(Galatians 1:8)._
One thing that convinced me of the truth of the Catholic Holy Eucharistic is that Satanists use hosts consecrated at Catholic Mass for their ceremonies. For them, desecrating the body of Christ is one of the worst ways they can rebel against God.
They don’t steal the crackers and grape juice from non-Catholic worship services to use in their black masses.
I love Protestants, but no way am I turning down the mind boggling grace of receiving Christ Himself as my nourishment-every day if I want, anywhere in the world.
please go to catholic church during the mass and listen just close your eyes so that you don't get distracted only to listen. it will explain everything about the Eucharistic that we catholic we part taken one words that we never forget is Jesus said to us do this in memory of me. as we remember how much He love us through His death and resurrection and we believe that we will see him again in his glory.
Are Baptists and Christians the same?
Are Presbyterians and Christians the same?
Are Pentecostals and Christians the same?
Are Lutherans and Christians the same?
Are SDAs and Christians the same?
Are Non-denoms and Christians the same?
quote---Are Baptists and Christians the same?.. unquote
Sunday worshipers and CHRISTIANS?? No!!!
QUOTE---Are Presbyterians and Christians the same? unquote
Sunday worshipers and CHRISTIANS?? No!!!
quote----Are Pentecostals and Christians the same.unquote
Sunday worshipers and CHRISTIANS?? No!!!
quote---Are SDAs and Christians the same?--unquote
Sabbath (Saturday) worshipers and Christians? YES!!!
quote---Are Non-denoms and Christians the same?..unquote
Sunday worshipers and CHRISTIANS?? No!!!
CHRISTIAN
The Greek word Χριστιανός (Christianos), meaning "follower of Christ", comes from Χριστός (Christos), meaning "anointed one",?
a Christian is an imitator of Christ - see Luke 4:16 and John 15:10.
a Christian knows God - see 1 John 2:3
a Christian loves Christ - see John 14:15
a Christian walks in Truth - see 1 John 2:4
a Christian prepares for Heaven - see Rev 22:14
Yes, they are all the same, except for possibly the SDAs. Those are all denominations of Christianity. On the other hand, Catholicism isn't Christianity and they don't even claim to be a denomination.
question was asked: Are SDAs and Christians the same?
you said: Yes, they are all the same, except for possibly the SDAs. Those are all denominations of Christianity. .. unquote
Why are SDA's different??? ????
@@mitchellosmer1293 Typical "I don't care if you question other people, just don't question and mine."
When I wrote this, it was to illustrate the petty challenges where someone (in this case a non-Catholic) questions someone else's validity (n this case, Catholicism) by measuring against said challenger's own likes and understandings.
In other words, these challenges are often bogus, stupid and self-serving in their very nature.
Very kind. Respectful.
That's the goal! Thanks for commenting.
Thank you for being so humble 🙏 I am a Catholic, thank you. God bless you 🙏 😊
Thanks for watching!
FACTS:
Christ NEVER taught that Peter is a pope.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary will go to heaven.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary is a mediator/intercessor.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary never sinned.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary remained virgin.
Christ NEVER Taught that a mere man is head of His church.
Christ NEVER taught about a church named Catholic.
Christ NEVER taught that we can pray to the dead.
Christ NEVER taught that the dead can hear our prayers.
Christ NEVER taught that anyone can change the day of worship.
Christ NEVER taught to confess to a "priest"
Christ NEVER Taught a priest can forgive your sins.
Christ NEVER taught salvation is through a church.
Christ NEVER taught to pray to, or with beads!!!
>>>>
Question where can I find in scripture?
Indulgences?
Penance?
Confession booth?
Purgatory?
Baby baptism?
December 25th
Easter?
Monstrance?
Black Pope?
Unmarried priest?
Priest drinking wine ?
Wizard hat? Mitre
Kissing of statues?
Burning incense to statues?
Sprinkle “ so called Holy Water “ on statues and people?
The use of Coptic shell decoration on baby baptism bowl?
Praying to the dead?
Please attach scripture of any Hebrew keeping SUNDAY as a holy day?
You think this is fun right you think I have nothing better to do with my life????
You think Satan cares about you? I know he hates me…. He can use his servants as vipers
Christ has given the solution….HIS WORD !
This is not personal.
FACTS:
Christ NEVER taught that Peter is a pope.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary will go to heaven.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary is a mediator/intercessor.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary never sinned.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary remained virgin.
Christ NEVER Taught that a mere man is head of His church.
Christ NEVER taught about a church named Catholic.
Christ NEVER taught that we can pray to the dead.
Christ NEVER taught that the dead can hear our prayers.
Christ NEVER taught that anyone can change the day of worship.
Christ NEVER taught to confess to a "priest"
Christ NEVER Taught a priest can forgive your sins.
Christ NEVER taught salvation is through a church.
Christ NEVER taught to pray to, or with beads!!!
>>>>
Question where can I find in scripture?
Indulgences?
Penance?
Black Pope? The Church's records tell us there were potentially three Black popes in Catholic history: Pope Victor I, who headed the church from 189-199, Pope Miltiades (311-314), and Pope Gelasius I, who was pope from 492-496
Confession booth?
Purgatory?
Baby baptism?
December 25th
Easter?
Monstrance?
Unmarried priest?
Priest drinking wine ?
Wizard hat? Mitre
Kissing of statues?
Burning incense to statues?
Sprinkle “ so called Holy Water “ on statues and people?
The use of Coptic shell decoration on baby baptism bowl?
Praying to the dead?
Please attach scripture of any Hebrew keeping SUNDAY as a holy day?
You think this is fun right you think I have nothing better to do with my life????
You think Satan cares about you? I know he hates me…. He can use his servants as vipers
Christ has given the solution….HIS WORD !
This is not personal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
CHRISTIAN
The Greek word Χριστιανός (Christianos), meaning "follower of Christ", comes from Χριστός (Christos), meaning "anointed one",
>>>
A Christian (/ˈkrɪstʃən, -tiən/) is a person who follows or adheres to Christianity, a monotheistic Abrahamic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ.
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We are brothers and sisters in Christ.
Exactly 👍
Only those Trinitarian Protestants.
quote-----We are brothers and sisters in Christ.... unquote
ONLY when one is FOLLOWING HIM!!!
@@kingdaniel4756 Even Christ protested against the priests and pharisees.
The main difference is that Jesus Christ established the Catholic Church in 33AD, over 1,500 years before Martin Luther, Joseph Smith or Ellen G. White came along. Only it has the fullness of truth of true Christianity.
As for the faith question, Catholics absolutely believe faith alone saves us but also believe our interpretation is more biblical. Protestants exclude many passages alluding to co-operating with that faith.
And no Catholic doctrine does not contradict the Bible. We do not rely on tradition alone. By sacred tradition we refer to the oral traditions passed down from the apostles and their successors in the 400 years before the Bible was created by the Catholic Church.
The Catholic Church canonised the Bible over 1,100 years before Protestantism was even a man made idea. It did that with the authority given to it by Jesus Christ. The Catholic Church has the sole divine authority to interpret it for Christian doctrine. You are welcome to read it but you do not have the authority to create your own Christian doctrine. This is precisely what has caused so much disunity in 500 years and a sea of errors and heresy.
Your doctrine of faith alone was never believed by any Christian for over 1,500 years before Martin Luther. He said killing 1,000 people a day would not prevent you from going to heaven. Even if you are right (you aren’t), Protestants and Catholics go to heaven. If Catholics are right, we go to heaven and Protestants could go to hell.
Catholics believe in faith with love - what Jesus and the Bible teaches, not what Martin Luther taught.
I appreciate that this gentleman made a point to reframe the conversation to Catholics vs Protestants as opposed to Catholics vs Christians. I have noticed that American Evangelicals tend to use these terms often to the exclusion of not just Catholics, but Orthodox and even more traditional/historical forms of Protestantism like Lutherans or High Church Anglicans. Good on you sir for looking at the bigger historical picture.
Thanks for the kind words! The original question "Catholics vs. Christians" is actually one of the top trending questions asked on Google about Christianity. Should have made it more clear what the origin of the question was in the video haha.
I'm glad you corrected him on his distinction between "Christians" and Catholics.
The question originates from Google. I (the guy) was just reading it. Probably should have made that clear haha.
FACTS:
Christ NEVER taught that Peter is a pope.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary will go to heaven.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary is a mediator/intercessor.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary never sinned.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary remained virgin.
Christ NEVER Taught that a mere man is head of His church.
Christ NEVER taught about a church named Catholic.
Christ NEVER taught that we can pray to the dead.
Christ NEVER taught that the dead can hear our prayers.
Christ NEVER taught that anyone can change the day of worship.
Christ NEVER taught to confess to a "priest"
Christ NEVER Taught a priest can forgive your sins.
Christ NEVER taught salvation is through a church.
Christ NEVER taught to pray to, or with beads!!!
>>>>
Question where can I find in scripture?
Indulgences?
Penance?
Black Pope? The Church's records tell us there were potentially three Black popes in Catholic history: Pope Victor I, who headed the church from 189-199, Pope Miltiades (311-314), and Pope Gelasius I, who was pope from 492-496
Confession booth?
Purgatory?
Baby baptism?
December 25th
Easter?
Monstrance?
Unmarried priest?
Priest drinking wine ?
Wizard hat? Mitre
Kissing of statues?
Burning incense to statues?
Sprinkle “ so called Holy Water “ on statues and people?
The use of Coptic shell decoration on baby baptism bowl?
Praying to the dead?
Please attach scripture of any Hebrew keeping SUNDAY as a holy day?
You think this is fun right you think I have nothing better to do with my life????
You think Satan cares about you? I know he hates me…. He can use his servants as vipers
Christ has given the solution….HIS WORD !
This is not personal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
CHRISTIAN
The Greek word Χριστιανός (Christianos), meaning "follower of Christ", comes from Χριστός (Christos), meaning "anointed one",
>>>
A Christian (/ˈkrɪstʃən, -tiən/) is a person who follows or adheres to Christianity, a monotheistic Abrahamic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ.
Catholicism vs Relativism 💫
Tradition over the bible? You choose the bible which Catholics compiled it and called it the bible today. Without Catholics the old and new testament books would still be separated until today. There wouldn't be protestant group to begin with. To be honest protestant Jesus and Catholic Jesus are very different. You see, when protestant understand the last supper and Jesus said the words, protestant understood it as symbolic and not the Eucharistic. In Catholic, the last supper is the Eucharist. Thus, the interpretation is so different so the Jesus in both group are not the same. It is like Islam, they have their own Jesus. A very different kind of Jesus in Christian. If you dig deep and look for ancient christians they have tradition and broke bread when they had religious gatherings. If you have guts to dig deep go ahead if you really want to know the one true church. Do you own research.
His initial statements at 0:50 about Catholics believe in grace and works is false. We believe in Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God.
Hence the "grace" part of the statement. Thanks for sharing thoughts.
@@SnohomishFaith I hope we can move past these tropes of talking past each other because we have different ways of expressing what we believe
@@w4in Sorry if the prior comment came off sarcastic. The point is yes, both Protestant and Catholic can be Christian.🤷♂
That was very kind. Thanks 😊
Catholics were the first Christians
Cool beans
I would not say that, considering that orthodox churches exist as well and that they were once part of a single church in which the catholic church was also part. That original church started to split as time passed by. But greek orthodox, coptics and other orthodox branches are just as old as teh catholic church, they are "cognates" (born together), they share a common ancestor. moreover, there was christianity before the church took form
@@chusty93
No. there was a Church first, then Christianity. There were the Apostles who taught long before they wrote anything. Even Paul speaks of the church in (location)...the church in (location)...
Even these churches of the Church existed before Paul wrote to them.
@@chusty93 the orthodox are still Catholic
No orthodox were
This pastor doesn’t realize the teachings of the Catholic Church. There a many teachings of the Catholic Church that would discount them as Christians or would dismiss everyone else as a Christian. You can’t have it both ways.
Though the teachings of a certain church organization could be wrong perhaps, the individual believer may still be on the right path, you never can tell
Oh, trust me, the Protestants are as bad if not worse about this, and that’s coming from a Southern Baptist.
If Catholicism is not Christian then please explain why ALL Bible believing people receive their rule of faith, the Bible, from her, the Bride of Christ…
History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, - the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, - the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century, - not only did they not agree but their individual lists of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time, growing in numbers of hundreds of “inspired” NT writings.
Therefore, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 5th century with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved it by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself?
@@srich7503 FACTS:
Christ NEVER taught that Peter is a pope.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary will go to heaven.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary is a mediator/intecessor.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary never sinned.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary remained virgin.
Christ NEVER Taught that a mere man is head of His church.
Christ NEVER taught about a church named Catholic.
Christ NEVER taught that we can pray to the dead.
Christ NEVER taught that the dead can hear our prayers.
Christ NEVER taught that anyone can change the day of worship.
Christ NEVER taught to confess to a "priest"
Christ NEVER Taught a priest can forgive your sins.
Christ NEVER taught salvation is through a church.
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CHRISTIAN
The Greek word Χριστιανός (Christianos), meaning "follower of Christ", comes from Χριστός (Christos), meaning "anointed one",
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A Christian (/ˈkrɪstʃən, -tiən/) is a person who follows or adheres to Christianity, a monotheistic Abrahamic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ.
@@mitchellosmer1293 nice conjecturing form “our book” when evidence shows the rest of you guys cannot agree on what the Bible say. Any reason why you cant/wont answer my hard “historical” question? Is it maybe because it was too hard? Maybe presents too ugly of an answer?
Catholics are not only Christian but is the true church of Jesus.
quote----Catholics are not only Christian.... unquote
ALL worthless opinions!! You have NO idea of what a Christian is!!!
I'll let the Greeks from 2000 years ago a answer that!!!
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CHRISTIAN
The Greek word Χριστιανός (Christianos), meaning "follower of Christ", comes from Χριστός (Christos), meaning "anointed one",
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A Christian (/ˈkrɪstʃən, -tiən/) is a person who follows or adheres to Christianity, a monotheistic Abrahamic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ.
FOLLOWERS of HIS TEACHINGS!!!!
FACTS:
Christ NEVER taught that Peter is a pope.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary will go to heaven.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary is a mediator/intercessor.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary never sinned.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary remained virgin.
Christ NEVER Taught that a mere man is head of His church.
Christ NEVER taught about a church named Catholic.
Christ NEVER taught that we can pray to the dead.
Christ NEVER taught that the dead can hear our prayers.
Christ NEVER taught that anyone can change the day of worship.
Christ NEVER taught to confess to a "priest"
Christ NEVER Taught a priest can forgive your sins.
Christ NEVER taught salvation is through a church.
Christ NEVER taught to pray to, or with beads!!!
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Question where can I find in scripture?
Indulgences?
Penance?
Black Pope? The Church's records tell us there were potentially three Black popes in Catholic history: Pope Victor I, who headed the church from 189-199, Pope Miltiades (311-314), and Pope Gelasius I, who was pope from 492-496
Confession booth?
Purgatory?
Baby baptism?
December 25th
Easter?
Monstrance?
Unmarried priest?
Priest drinking wine ?
Wizard hat? Mitre
Kissing of statues?
Burning incense to statues?
Sprinkle “ so called Holy Water “ on statues and people?
The use of Coptic shell decoration on baby baptism bowl?
Praying to the dead?
Please attach scripture of any Hebrew keeping SUNDAY as a holy day?
You think this is fun right you think I have nothing better to do with my life????
You think Satan cares about you? I know he hates me…. He can use his servants as vipers
Christ has given the solution….HIS WORD !
This is not personal.
>>>>Quote------but is the true church of Jesus.... unquote
THEN QUOTE the bible- Book chapter and verse that mentions a church named Catholic!! FACT: FIRST time a church named Catholic id written is by Ignatius of Antioch in 110AD!! LONG AFTER Jesus!!!
Protestants broke away from the true church
God did not plan for 2 types of Christian in the world …..
Matthew 25: v. 31-46 and James 2: v. 17-26.
Fams, Watch "Pints with Aquinas - Fighting Voodoo w/Fr. Louis Merosne" Stunning podcast/conversation, covers all you need to hear. It gets deep, so put the seatbelt on! God bless
Aren't we all the same in God's eyes?
Which came first, Tradition or the Bible? And has anyone else ever found 'Faith Alone' or 'Scripture Alone' in the Bible?
***Hebrews 4:12 Indeed, the word of God is living and effective, sharper than any two-edged sword, penetrating even between soul and spirit, joints and marrow, and able to discern reflections and thoughts of the heart), or seen implicitly through its lens.
*** Deuteronomy 17:14-20 states that we “shall not turn away from God’s Word, not to the right or the left”.
***Psalm 1:2 and Joshua 1:7-8 says that “the righteous person dwells on the Word of the Lord day and night”.
***Deuteronomy 8:3 states that “we do not live on bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God”.
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***Proverbs 30:5-6 states: 5 Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. 6 Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar.
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-----I will ask you, which NO ONE has replied to: Who's other writings does GOD tell us to accept as the truth??? QUOTE FROM the BIBLE!!!!)
Remember these words from Jesus: John 14:6 NIV -
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Since HE IS THE TRUTH, then when a church preaches their version of the truth, who is the truth??? Jesus or the "Church"???
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Sola scriptura, like the Trinity and the sovereignty of God is found by definition not title.
Shall we do this again?
Here we go preaching to the blind.
First, the Bible teaches not to add or take away from Scripture. Paul writes that we should not “exceed what is written” (1 Cor. 4:6) Likewise, Moses writes, “You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it” (Deut. 4:2; cf. 12:32). If another authority could either add or take away from Scripture, then this would invalidate these passages of Scripture.
Second, Scripture is the litmus test for discerning truth. Every time Jesus needs to answer a doctrinal question, he cites Scripture-not tradition. The phrase “It is written…” occurs some 90 times in the NT. Jesus rebuked the Pharisees saying, “You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures” (Mt. 22:29).
Third, the Bible does not allow for tradition to be equal or superior to Scripture. Jesus said, “Why do you yourselves transgress the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition? … by this you invalidated the word of God for the sake of your tradition” (Mt. 15:3, 6).
Fourth, Luke calls the Bereans “noble-minded” for “examining the Scriptures daily” to see if the gospel was true (Acts 17:11).
Fifth, Timothy was able to come to faith through the OT Scriptures as a child (2 Tim. 3:14-15). If a little child could come to faith through the OT Scriptures, how much more could a fully grown adult come to faith with the completed canon?
Sixth, Paul tells Timothy that Scripture is sufficient for faith and morals (2 Tim. 3:16-17). Paul writes: “All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17 so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work” (2 Tim. 3:16-17).
Seventh, tradition is not a reliable way to transmit truth. Catholic apologists often appeal to the Church Fathers to defend doctrines, but we see no reason to believe in the early Church Fathers. In fact, false traditions were even appearing in the first century. Paul writes, “You are aware of the fact that all who are in Asia turned away from me” (2 Tim. 1:15).
Eighth, Sola Scriptura is not an invention of the Reformation. While we do not ultimately hang our argument on history, it is verifiable that this view has been present throughout the history of the Christian Church.
(1) Scripture is the sole, infallible rule of faith.
(2) No other revelation is needed for the Church.
(3) There is no other infallible rule of faith outside of Scripture.
(4) Scripture reveals those things necessary for salvation.
(5) All traditions are subject to the higher authority of Scripture.
But I think it’s extremely important you understand what it is not…
(1) We do NOT mean that we start from scratch every time we read the Bible. Of course, we should also read commentaries, quote scholars, etc.
(2) We do NOT mean Scripture is an exhaustive account of spiritual or other knowledge (Jn. 20:30; 21:25).
(3) We do NOT mean the Church has no role in interpreting the Bible. 1 Timothy 3:15 states that the church is “the pillar and support of the truth.”
(4) We do NOT mean that we should reject all traditions. Some traditions are helpful to us as believers, and we see no reason to abandon these simply because they are extra-biblical. However, we contend that all human tradition should be subservient to Scripture-not equal to or above it.
(5) We do NOT mean that the apostles never spoke the word of God to people (Acts 2:42; 1 Thess. 2:13; 2 Thess. 2:15; 3:6). When the apostles were alive, they could speak on faith and morals in person. However, since we do not have this luxury today, we must rely on their writings. Jude writes of “the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints” (Jude 3).
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Sola Scriptura, or “God’s Word alone,” maintains that the Bible is the highest source of authority in a Christian’s life, the final court of appeal (though not the only authority: the Bible itself mentions governmental and other authorities).
Sola gratia, or “grace alone,” says sinners are saved as an unearned gift of God’s grace, “not as a result of works, so that no one may boast” (Eph 2:8-9).
Sola Christo (“solus Christus”), or “Christ alone,” emphasizes the exclusivity of Jesus’ role in salvation: “No one comes to the Father except through me” (John 14:6).
And soli Deo gloria, or “to the glory of God alone,” says that the purpose of creation, salvation, and everything-including our goal as Christians-is the glory of God, “that God may be all in all” (1 Cor 15:28).
Short answer. NO
Thank you Rod - you’re very kind.
It seems to me that Protestantism is a plain reading of Luther’s shortened Bible, attempting to simplify an infinite God. The thinking often skip or brush over difficult questions, leading to the creation of new Protestant denominations. One clear example of this is the debate on faith versus works. The answer is simple and true, but not complete, and the theology/philosophy is very poorly developed. I love Protestant people; many of them have 100 times the faith of many Catholics. It’s their church’s underdeveloped and simplistic theology that leads people away from the Church. And whenever they disagree, their solution is simply to create a new Protestant church.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, appreciate it!
FACTS:
Christ NEVER taught that Peter is a pope.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary will go to heaven.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary is a mediator/intercessor.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary never sinned.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary remained virgin.
Christ NEVER Taught that a mere man is head of His church.
Christ NEVER taught about a church named Catholic.
Christ NEVER taught that we can pray to the dead.
Christ NEVER taught that the dead can hear our prayers.
Christ NEVER taught that anyone can change the day of worship.
Christ NEVER taught to confess to a "priest"
Christ NEVER Taught a priest can forgive your sins.
Christ NEVER taught salvation is through a church.
Christ NEVER taught to pray to, or with beads!!!
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Question where can I find in scripture?
Indulgences?
Penance?
Black Pope? The Church's records tell us there were potentially three Black popes in Catholic history: Pope Victor I, who headed the church from 189-199, Pope Miltiades (311-314), and Pope Gelasius I, who was pope from 492-496
Confession booth?
Purgatory?
Baby baptism?
December 25th
Easter?
Monstrance?
Unmarried priest?
Priest drinking wine ?
Wizard hat? Mitre
Kissing of statues?
Burning incense to statues?
Sprinkle “ so called Holy Water “ on statues and people?
The use of Coptic shell decoration on baby baptism bowl?
Praying to the dead?
Please attach scripture of any Hebrew keeping SUNDAY as a holy day?
You think this is fun right you think I have nothing better to do with my life????
You think Satan cares about you? I know he hates me…. He can use his servants as vipers
Christ has given the solution….HIS WORD !
This is not personal.
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CHRISTIAN
The Greek word Χριστιανός (Christianos), meaning "follower of Christ", comes from Χριστός (Christos), meaning "anointed one",
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A Christian (/ˈkrɪstʃən, -tiən/) is a person who follows or adheres to Christianity, a monotheistic Abrahamic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ.
I didn’t feel a drip of the usual oozing hatred Prots tend to dump on us in this. You are a man of God. I think I could sit through your sermons without feeling like i was surrounded by demons.
Your welcome my brother.. Study the early CHURCH fathers because they are taught by the Apostles.
quote-----Study the early CHURCH fathers because they are taught by the Apostles... unquote
QUOTE the BIBLE!!!
@@mitchellosmer1293 that is why you remain protesting.
@@philipmarchalquizar7741 quote----that is why you remain protesting.... unquote
Christ protested the priests and pharisees. I will imitate Him and protest aaginst the false teachings of the Catholic church!!!
FACTS:
Christ NEVER taught that Peter is a pope.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary will go to heaven.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary is a mediator/intercessor.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary never sinned.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary remained virgin.
Christ NEVER Taught that a mere man is head of His church.
Christ NEVER taught about a church named Catholic.
Christ NEVER taught that we can pray to the dead.
Christ NEVER taught that the dead can hear our prayers.
Christ NEVER taught that anyone can change the day of worship.
Christ NEVER taught to confess to a "priest"
Christ NEVER Taught a priest can forgive your sins.
Christ NEVER taught salvation is through a church.
Christ NEVER taught to pray to, or with beads!!!
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Question where can I find in scripture?
Indulgences?
Penance?
Black Pope? The Church's records tell us there were potentially three Black popes in Catholic history: Pope Victor I, who headed the church from 189-199, Pope Miltiades (311-314), and Pope Gelasius I, who was pope from 492-496
Confession booth?
Purgatory?
Baby baptism?
December 25th
Easter?
Monstrance?
Unmarried priest?
Priest drinking wine ?
Wizard hat? Mitre
Kissing of statues?
Burning incense to statues?
Sprinkle “ so called Holy Water “ on statues and people?
The use of Coptic shell decoration on baby baptism bowl?
Praying to the dead?
Please attach scripture of any Hebrew keeping SUNDAY as a holy day?
You think this is fun right you think I have nothing better to do with my life????
You think Satan cares about you? I know he hates me…. He can use his servants as vipers
Christ has given the solution….HIS WORD !
This is not personal.
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CHRISTIAN
The Greek word Χριστιανός (Christianos), meaning "follower of Christ", comes from Χριστός (Christos), meaning "anointed one",
FOLLOWERS of the TEACHINGS of Christ!!!
Written 2000 years ago! NOT my interpretation!!!
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A Christian (/ˈkrɪstʃən, -tiən/) is a person who follows or adheres to Christianity, a monotheistic Abrahamic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ.
We are saved through grace alone
the bible is not pre-emminent the church is 1 tim 3:15
the Bible defines the church -- 1 Tim 3:15
and there is absolutely nothing comparable to the Word of God.
@@tony1685 the NT is the product of the church not the other way around. jesus institutes the church and it precedes the new testament and produces it
2 Thessalonians 2:15 “ So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter”
This is an example of the two sources of the word of God. word of mouth is saying the oral traditions passed on to us by the apostles. Letter is talking about the epistle that the apostles sent out that the early church put together and formed the scriptures. To some up holding fast traditions by mouth or letter are the two ways sacred tradition, which is the word of God coming from Jesus himself is passed on to us. Either by tradition from apostles or scripture. A lot of protestant bibles will use the word teaching. But in the original Greek bible they use the word paradosis and that is the Greek word for tradition.
quote----Greek bible they use the word paradosis and that is the Greek word for tradition....unquote
Traditions can change due to circumstances. Gods's word NEVER changes!!!
I think youre coming at this from a genuinely respectful place but the Catholic Church doesn’t teach salvation is grace plus works or grace plus anything. Salvation is by grace alone.
Correct this works thing is a urban legend
Wow, a rare Protestant who didn't give a wildly distorted view of Catholicism. It fell just a little bit short, but not due to the typical malice from people like MacArthur and Sproul and so many others. This pastor is honest, just sees things a bit differently, which is understandable, and eventually respectful dialogue would work through that. Thank you, sir.
FACTS:
Christ NEVER taught that Peter is a pope.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary will go to heaven.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary is a mediator/intercessor.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary never sinned.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary remained virgin.
Christ NEVER Taught that a mere man is head of His church.
Christ NEVER taught about a church named Catholic.
Christ NEVER taught that we can pray to the dead.
Christ NEVER taught that the dead can hear our prayers.
Christ NEVER taught that anyone can change the day of worship.
Christ NEVER taught to confess to a "priest"
Christ NEVER Taught a priest can forgive your sins.
Christ NEVER taught salvation is through a church.
Christ NEVER taught to pray to, or with beads!!!
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Question where can I find in scripture?
Indulgences?
Penance?
Confession booth?
Purgatory?
Baby baptism?
December 25th
Easter?
Monstrance?
Black Pope?
Unmarried priest?
Priest drinking wine ?
Wizard hat? Mitre
Kissing of statues?
Burning incense to statues?
Sprinkle “ so called Holy Water “ on statues and people?
The use of Coptic shell decoration on baby baptism bowl?
Praying to the dead?
Please attach scripture of any Hebrew keeping SUNDAY as a holy day?
You think this is fun right you think I have nothing better to do with my life????
You think Satan cares about you? I know he hates me…. He can use his servants as vipers
Christ has given the solution….HIS WORD !
This is not personal.
@mitchellosmer1293
Christ NEVER said everything has to be in the Bible.
Christ NEVER wrote a Bible.
Christ NEVER told anyone to write a Bible.
Christ NEVER personally gave you a Bible.
Christ NEVER said your personal mistaken interpretation of the Bible is the ultimate infallible truth.
Fortunately, Christ DID establish His Catholic Church to guide you, so the Catholic Church wrote Scripture AFTER Jesus died, and assempled it all into one book to help you understand Church teaching (unless you keep rebeling against him and His Church).
And in that book, in 1 Tim 3:15, it tells you the Church is the pillar of truth, which means you're not.
Lots to address here, but if you want to know where those things are in the Bible, you can try reading Patrick Madrid's book, "Where's that in the Bible." It's designed for rebellious people asserting their own judgment above 2,000+ years of faithful Catholic people.
@@MyMusicalHeritage quote---Christ NEVER said everything has to be in the Bible....unquote
Then HOW will you prove it is biblical???
quote---Christ NEVER wrote a Bible.
But GOD WROTE a part of IT!!!!!! WITH HIS FINGER!!! AND :
According to 2 Timothy 3:16-17 the words of Scripture are "God breathed" or inspired. This implies that God is the source or origin of what is recorded in Scripture.
quote---Christ NEVER told anyone to write a Bible.
But GOD DID!!!
quote---Christ NEVER personally gave you a Bible.
But GOD DID!!! Bible--SACRED writings!!!
quote---Christ NEVER said your personal mistaken interpretation of the Bible is the ultimate infallible truth.
So, you are saying my quotes FROM A CATHOLIC BIBLE are MY "personal mistaken interpretation of the Bible"???
I do NOT remember ever writing a Catholic bible!!!
quote--Fortunately, Christ DID establish His Catholic Church to guide you
THAT is A WORTHLESS OPINION with NO FACTS!!!! NO scripture!!!
FACT: Out of 4 DIFFERENT Catholic bibles, NONE of them ever mentions a church named Catholic!!!!!
Why is that????
quote--- so the Catholic Church wrote Scripture AFTER Jesus died, ..
Then YOU ARE DISOBEYING GOD!!!!!
What does the Bible say about not adding or subtracting?
“Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.” (Deut. 4:2.) Later in this same book of the law, Moses repeated the admonition in similar words.
What does the Bible say about addition and subtraction?
Bible Verses about God's Word, Adding or Subtracting
Deuteronomy 4:2-5. You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you. ...
Revelation 22:18-19. ...
Deuteronomy 12:32. ...
Proverbs 30:5-6. ...
Matthew 5:18. ...
Mark 7:7-9. ...
Leviticus 10:1.
Why would Catholics care what God says?????
ONLY letters to various churches (and Revelations by John) were written BY the disciples. NONE were Catholic!!!
quote---And in that book, in 1 Tim 3:15, it tells you the Church is the pillar of truth, which means you're not.
AGAIN, a worthless opinion!!!
What is "THE CHURCH|????THE PEOPLE WITHIN!!! NOT A BUILDING!!!
And. NO BIBLE ever gives a name of that church!!!!
quote---Lots to address here, but if you want to know where those things are in the Bible, you can try reading Patrick Madrid's book. unquote
NOPE--I AM ASKING YOU!!!!
Let me QUOTE a few CATHOLIC BIBLE!!!!
Ex 20;3-6
New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition
3 you shall have no other gods before[a] me.
4 You shall not make for yourself an idol,
whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above,
or that is on the earth beneath,
or that is in the water under the earth.
5 You shall not bow down to them
or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me, 6 but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation[b] of those who love me and keep my commandments.
>>>>New Revised Standard Version Updated Edition
3 you shall have no other gods before[a] me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above or that is on the earth beneath or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me 6 but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation[b] of those who love me and keep my commandments.
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New American Standard Bible 1995
3 “You shall have no other gods [a]before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself [b]an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
>>>>Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition
3 Thou shalt not have strange gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make to thyself a graven thing, nor the likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or in the earth beneath, nor of those things that are in the waters under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not adore them, nor serve them: I am the Lord thy God, mighty, jealous, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me:
@@MyMusicalHeritage Acts 4:12 ESV
And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
>>>Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition
Acts 4:12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
>>>Acts 4:12
New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition
12 There is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among mortals by which we must be saved.”
Catholics and Christians are not the same. Catholics believe in a different gospel (Galatians 1:8).
What different gospel are you taking about? The Protestant bible that removed books from the original bible? That one?
Catholics have been preaching and practicing The Gospel for 1,500 years before the first Protestant church was born..
Sorry. You can’t believe you’re saved by works and be saved. That’s not how it works.
There are Catholics who don't believe that, and some who do. At the end of the day it comes down to the individual, and where their heart is at regardless of the church they identify with.
@@SnohomishFaithI believe whatever the Catholic Church tells me
Revelation 22:12-13 New King James Version (NKJV)
“And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”
>>THAT SURE looks like we will be rewarded for our words (good deeds) .
@@SnohomishFaith Revelation 22:12-13 New King James Version (NKJV)
“And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”
@@jd3jefferson556 quote----I believe whatever the Catholic Church tells me... unquote
Really??
so if the Catholic church told you Jesus is not the Messiah, you'd believe that???
so if the Catholic church told you Jesus did NOT die on the cross, you'd believe that???
so if the Catholic church told you Mary is NOT the mother of Jesus, you'd believe that???
---so if the Catholic church told you Monday is the Holy day of God, you'd believe that???
so if the Catholic church told you Peter died in Spain, , you'd believe that???
so if the Catholic church told you there is NO God, you'd believe that???
You can't draw a distinction between faith and tradition. Sacred Tradition says the Bible is Word of God, and the Magisterium of the Church gives the Church the authority to say that. The Church precedes the Bible, and the Church decides what texts are in the Bible. Since no person has the authority to add or detract from the Bible, what Luther did by subtracting certain texts was an act of heresy, and to this day the thousands of ecclesiastical communions that comprise Protestantism believe different things, based on their idiosyncratic interpretation of the text.
What makes a church a true church?
What are the essential ingredients of a true church?
The essential ingredients were a place where the gospel is truly preached, the sacraments are rightly administered, and where there is true discipline and government within the church. That's where you begin. You want to make sure that the gospel is truly being preached.
Does the Catholic Church qualify?
Quote the bible (book, chapter and verse) and debunk these: (NO sarcasm please)
By your refusal to answer even 5 facts. will prove that MY FACTS are correct!!!
FACTS:
#1--Christ NEVER taught that Peter is a pope.-(where is the title Pope in the Bible?)
#2--Christ NEVER taught that Mary will go to heaven. (Where does the bible say Mary will go/has gone to heaven?)
#3--Christ NEVER taught that Mary is a mediator/intercessor. (Where does the bible say Mary is a mediator?
#4--Christ NEVER taught that Mary never sinned. (Where in the bible does it state Mary never sinned?)
#5--Christ NEVER taught that Mary remained virgin. (Where in the bible does it state Mary remained a virgin?)
#6--Christ NEVER Taught that a mere man is head of His church. (Where is the Bible does it state a mere man is head of Christ's church?)
#7--Christ NEVER taught about a church named Catholic. (Where in the Bible is a church named Catholic mentioned?)
#8--Christ NEVER taught that we can pray to the dead.-(Where is the bible does it state we can pray to the dead?)
#9--Christ NEVER taught that the dead can hear our prayers. (Where in the bible does it state the dead can hear our prayers
#10--Christ NEVER taught that anyone can change the day of worship . (Where in the Bible does IT STATE GOD changed the day of worship to Sunday?)
#11--Christ NEVER taught to confess to a "priest". (Where in the Bible does it state we are to confess our sins to a Priest?)
#12--Christ NEVER Taught a priest can forgive your sins. (Where in the Bible does it state a priest can forgive our sins
#13--Christ NEVER taught salvation is through a church..(Where is the bible does it state our salvation comes from a church
#14--Christ NEVER taught to pray to, or with beads!!! (Where in the bile does it state we are to use/pray to beads?)
#15--Christ NEVER started a church named Catholic!!! (Where in the Bible does it mention a church named Catholic?)
By your refusal to refute my facts, implies they ARE ALL CORRECT!!!
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RESEARCH:
The writings of the NT were written, considered Scripture, and being circulated among the churches while the Authors were still alive and well -- see 2Peter 3:15-16, Colossians 4:16, 1Peter 1:1, John 20:30-31, Galatians 1:4, etc. -- these Authors were NOT part of the Roman Church.
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The title alone assumes Catholics and Christians are not synonymous.
According to AnswerThePublic it's one of the most searched questions about Christianity on Google. That's where the title comes from.
FACTS:
Christ NEVER taught that Peter is a pope.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary will go to heaven.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary is a mediator/intecessor.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary never sinned.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary remained virgin.
Christ NEVER Taught that a mere man is head of His church.
Christ NEVER taught about a church named Catholic.
Christ NEVER taught that we can pray to the dead.
Christ NEVER taught that the dead can hear our prayers.
Christ NEVER taught that anyone can change the day of worship.
Christ NEVER taught to confess to a "priest"
Christ NEVER Taught a priest can forgive your sins.
Christ NEVER taught salvation is through a church.
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CHRISTIAN
The Greek word Χριστιανός (Christianos), meaning "follower of Christ", comes from Χριστός (Christos), meaning "anointed one",
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A Christian (/ˈkrɪstʃən, -tiən/) is a person who follows or adheres to Christianity, a monotheistic Abrahamic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ.
FACTS:
Christ NEVER taught that Peter is a pope.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary will go to heaven.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary is a mediator/intercessor.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary never sinned.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary remained virgin.
Christ NEVER Taught that a mere man is head of His church.
Christ NEVER taught about a church named Catholic.
Christ NEVER taught that we can pray to the dead.
Christ NEVER taught that the dead can hear our prayers.
Christ NEVER taught that anyone can change the day of worship.
Christ NEVER taught to confess to a "priest"
Christ NEVER Taught a priest can forgive your sins.
Christ NEVER taught salvation is through a church.
Christ NEVER taught to pray to, or with beads!!!
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Question where can I find in scripture?
Indulgences?
Penance?
Black Pope? The Church's records tell us there were potentially three Black popes in Catholic history: Pope Victor I, who headed the church from 189-199, Pope Miltiades (311-314), and Pope Gelasius I, who was pope from 492-496
Confession booth?
Purgatory?
Baby baptism?
December 25th
Easter?
Monstrance?
Unmarried priest?
Priest drinking wine ?
Wizard hat? Mitre
Kissing of statues?
Burning incense to statues?
Sprinkle “ so called Holy Water “ on statues and people?
The use of Coptic shell decoration on baby baptism bowl?
Praying to the dead?
Please attach scripture of any Hebrew keeping SUNDAY as a holy day?
You think this is fun right you think I have nothing better to do with my life????
You think Satan cares about you? I know he hates me…. He can use his servants as vipers
Christ has given the solution….HIS WORD !
This is not personal.
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CHRISTIAN
The Greek word Χριστιανός (Christianos), meaning "follower of Christ", comes from Χριστός (Christos), meaning "anointed one",
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A Christian (/ˈkrɪstʃən, -tiən/) is a person who follows or adheres to Christianity, a monotheistic Abrahamic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ.
Saint Pacian- Christian is my name; Catholic is my surname.
FACTS:
Christ NEVER taught that Peter is a pope.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary will go to heaven.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary is a mediator/intecessor.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary never sinned.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary remained virgin.
Christ NEVER Taught that a mere man is head of His church.
Christ NEVER taught about a church named Catholic.
Christ NEVER taught that we can pray to the dead.
Christ NEVER taught that the dead can hear our prayers.
Christ NEVER taught that anyone can change the day of worship.
Christ NEVER taught to confess to a "priest"
Christ NEVER Taught a priest can forgive your sins.
Christ NEVER taught salvation is through a church.
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CHRISTIAN
The Greek word Χριστιανός (Christianos), meaning "follower of Christ", comes from Χριστός (Christos), meaning "anointed one",
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A Christian (/ˈkrɪstʃən, -tiən/) is a person who follows or adheres to Christianity, a monotheistic Abrahamic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ.
@@mitchellosmer1293 everything you wrote is wrong
@@patmark3059 quote---everything you wrote is wrong... unquoye
That is a worthless opinion!! Prove me "wrong"!!!
QUOTE THE BIBLE with book, chapter and verse numbers!!!
As a Catholic, deep in history and devoted reader of scripture, thank you for very charitable discussion. That said, you still strawman the catholic faith by acting like we care a list of works around. Read what Jesus Christ said. Please don't pick a few lines from Paul's letters and generate an entire theological framework from that. That's not historic Christianity. So, I believe your title word choice is misleading: instead of "Christians and Catholics" is correctly should be said "Christian = Catholic". Please don't manufacture a false history. Protestantism is an invention of the 16th Century. It is not a restoration of authentic Christianity. Read the Church fathers. I keep praying for unity. God bless.
The title is a question, we answered the question. I'm not following your thinking on how that is misleading. Thanks for sharing your two cents.
FACTS:
Christ NEVER taught that Peter is a pope.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary will go to heaven.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary is a mediator/intecessor.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary never sinned.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary remained virgin.
Christ NEVER Taught that a mere man is head of His church.
Christ NEVER taught about a church named Catholic.
Christ NEVER taught that we can pray to the dead.
Christ NEVER taught that the dead can hear our prayers.
Christ NEVER taught that anyone can change the day of worship.
Christ NEVER taught to confess to a "priest"
Christ NEVER Taught a priest can forgive your sins.
Christ NEVER taught salvation is through a church.
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CHRISTIAN
The Greek word Χριστιανός (Christianos), meaning "follower of Christ", comes from Χριστός (Christos), meaning "anointed one",
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A Christian (/ˈkrɪstʃən, -tiən/) is a person who follows or adheres to Christianity, a monotheistic Abrahamic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ.
Many of the points you stress as points of departure between Catholic and Protestant are actually things Catholics believe too. We believe that grace through faith leads to salvation, but for that to be sincere, it must be expressed in works. Catholics consider the bible as the umpire of tradition, so that Catholic Tradition can never be in contradiction of the bible.
What makes a church a true church?
What are the essential ingredients of a true church?
The essential ingredients were a place where the gospel is truly preached, the sacraments are rightly administered, and where there is true discipline and government within the church. That's where you begin. You want to make sure that the gospel is truly being preached.
Does the Catholic Church qualify?
Quote the bible (book, chapter and verse) and debunk these: (NO sarcasm please)
By your refusal to answer even 5 facts. will prove that MY FACTS are correct!!!
*******FACTS:
#1--Christ NEVER taught that Peter is a pope.-(where is the title Pope in the Bible?)
#2--Christ NEVER taught that Mary will go to heaven. (Where does the bible say Mary will go/has gone to heaven?)
#3--Christ NEVER taught that Mary is a mediator/intercessor. (Where does the bible say Mary is a mediator?
#4--Christ NEVER taught that Mary never sinned. (Where in the bible does it state Mary never sinned?)
#5--Christ NEVER taught that Mary remained virgin. (Where in the bible does it state Mary remained a virgin?)
#6--Christ NEVER Taught that a mere man is head of His church. (Where is the Bible does it state a mere man is head of Christ's church?)
#7--Christ NEVER taught about a church named Catholic. (Where in the Bible is a church named Catholic mentioned?)
#8--Christ NEVER taught that we can pray to the dead.-(Where is the bible does it state we can pray to the dead?)
#9--Christ NEVER taught that the dead can hear our prayers. (Where in the bible does it state the dead can hear our prayers
#10--Christ NEVER taught that anyone can change the day of worship . (Where in the Bible does IT STATE GOD changed the day of worship to Sunday?)
#11--Christ NEVER taught to confess to a "priest". (Where in the Bible does it state we are to confess our sins to a Priest?)
#12--Christ NEVER Taught a priest can forgive your sins. (Where in the Bible does it state a priest can forgive our sins
#13--Christ NEVER taught salvation is through a church..(Where is the bible does it state our salvation comes from a church
#14--Christ NEVER taught to pray to, or with beads!!! (Where in the bile does it state we are to use/pray to beads?)
#15--Christ NEVER started a church named Catholic!!! (Where in the Bible does it mention a church named Catholic?)
By your refusal to refute my facts, implies they ARE ALL CORRECT!!!
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RESEARCH:
The writings of the NT were written, considered Scripture, and being circulated among the churches while the Authors were still alive and well -- see 2Peter 3:15-16, Colossians 4:16, 1Peter 1:1, John 20:30-31, Galatians 1:4, etc. -- these Authors were NOT part of the Roman Church.
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What did Jesus mean when he said "call no man father"? Jesus does not mean no one may refer to a parent as "father." He is specifically addressing the practice of referring to religious leaders and mentors as "father" in any formal or official sense. What's forbidden is an attempt to give one of Jesus' followers a spiritual status above that of others.
As a Catholic, I also refer to myself as a Christian. Its the same cloth. We are brother and sisters of CHRIST. We can argue, "body and blood" of christ, and holly Eucarist, Saints and Mother Mary, at the end of the day, we dont follow Muhammed, so theres that lol But seriously, should there be another Crusade, would we all stand together? I would hope so...
Unfortunately ,there are non Catholic Christians ,who deny that we are NOT separated bros and sis .One Pastor stated that Catholics are not from God ,but from the opposite side .
@@alexespanto5270 my brother I hear you, unfortunately, "rock concerts" in protestant churches are always going to be "cool".. The Catholic faith has SOOO much depth to it, from sacraments, to the Blessed Mother Mary, to the Saints... Once you start the journey into Catholicism, you can learn something new every day.
St. Thomas Aquinas
St. John Bosco
St. Francis of Assisi
The wisdom from just these three saints will have you wanting to discover more and more about the faith! God has given us mere wretches so much to learn, Praise the Lord. Christ is King.
Long as you're following Jesus, Christian is Christian. Thanks for commenting!
quote----As a Catholic, I also refer to myself as a Christian. Its the same cloth... unquote
Nope!!!
FACTS:
Christ NEVER taught that Peter is a pope.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary will go to heaven.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary is a mediator/intecessor.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary never sinned.
Christ NEVER taught that Mary remained virgin.
Christ NEVER Taught that a mere man is head of His church.
Christ NEVER taught about a church named Catholic.
Christ NEVER taught that we can pray to the dead.
Christ NEVER taught that the dead can hear our prayers.
Christ NEVER taught that anyone can change the day of worship.
Christ NEVER taught to confess to a "priest"
Christ NEVER Taught a priest can forgive your sins.
Christ NEVER taught salvation is through a church.
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CHRISTIAN
The Greek word Χριστιανός (Christianos), meaning "follower of Christ", comes from Χριστός (Christos), meaning "anointed one",
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A Christian (/ˈkrɪstʃən, -tiən/) is a person who follows or adheres to Christianity, a monotheistic Abrahamic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ. (Written about 2000 years ago)
FOLLOWERS OF CHRIST!! His Teachings!!!!
@@mitchellosmer1293 you mean to say that the thousands of former staunch anti catholic protestant bible scholars ,theologians ,historians ,pastors/preachers ,intellectuals ,to name a few who have already converted to Catholicism were all wrong and you are right ???? fortunately ,many more anti catholic pastors,bible scholars et al continue to convert to His Catholic Church . Many Catholic RUclipsrs were former Evangelical and anti Catholic YTubers .What are your THEOLOGICAL CREDENTIALS and which Semianry did you graduate ??It is highly UNCHRISTIAN to keep spreading all these LIES that have been DEBUNKED already for centuries !
The Sacraments and Eucharist in particular are what Catholicism is anout
we all the same ,children of God ,
Doesn't matter what you believe then,?
How are they gonna have a good walk with God when they spend most of their time praying and worshiping Mary and other idols???
just couldnt fathom ,why you are advertising your being dunce on SM .First and foremost we dont worship Mary nor practice idolatry .You are a deceived person. You only believe the LIES that Jesus Christ Church is accused of . You mean to say that the THOUSANDS of former staunch anti Catholic Protestant/Evangelical Bible Scholars,Historians,Theologians ,Pastors/Preachers ,Seminarians , Intellectuals ,to name a few ,who have converted to Catholicism were all wrong and you are right ??? Many more are following their footsteps . RUclips is now inundated by Catholic Vloggers,who used to be anti Catholic Evangelicals . Where have you been all these yrs .You are being left behind!
Right on , church is truly Satan's church Islam his religion . You want to come out of that church , wrong teachings , sexual immorality , ungodly priest's and as you said worshipping Mary .
@@ladillalegos Don’t be silly.
I have that same hat
@@esar71 that's awesome
No Protestants and Catholics are different but both groups claim Christianity. Each person determines which denomination of Christianity is the one they follow. Personally I’m convinced that Catholic is NOT correct, BUT that is a personal belief you have yours I have mine. I’m married to the daughter of a Freewill Baptist minister so guess which church we attend. Personally I think SDA is the most correct denomination that I am aware of. I think Catholic puts too much emphasis upon the Pope. Papal decrees, in my opinion, have distorted Catholic teachings a LOT! I know one thing for sure. Saturday is the Sabbath in scripture, and SUNDAY is a false sabbath of the Catholic tradition.
most excellent post, Sir.
@@cdmcintyre1854 So I can assume that you don’t eat pork or wear a shirt that contains two different kinds of fabric?..
@@johnsteila6049 no pig for me you are correct about that
@@cdmcintyre1854 My point obviously is that if you keep The Law, I expect you to keep the whole Law. So you never wear a shirt made of a polyester/cotton blend and you are willing to stone someone to death if they speak Gods name outside of The Temple?…