Independence Day: City Destroyer | Ship Breakdown
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- Опубликовано: 6 фев 2025
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The aliens ships emerging from the clouds to darken entire cities was one of the most awesome alien invasion scenes of all time. Still unmatched today.
I loved the war of the worlds thunderstorm-deployment and the following ascending alien tripods from underground. It made no sense at all but it was still awesome 😅
I swear no movie since ID4 has really captured the sheer size and dread of something like that happening. That moment where the first Destroyer breaches the clouds with that groaning sound like a deep sea creature is absolutely one of the single greatest scenes in any sci-fi franchise, IMO.
I never looked at rain clouds approaching in the same way again. I always looked at the sky, and imagined the ship. Impressive.
I appreciated the representation of the super-heated air from reentry.
@@oO0Xenos0Oo Ah yes the Tripods with there haunting "Horn" effect and the sound of an M1A5 Abrams tank engine start up sound effect (Yes they used the sound of a M1A5 Starting up when it's rising).
I still think the world directly after the first movie would make for a really interesting post-apocalypse scenario that doesn't follow the nuclear- or zombie apocalypse trope. A world destroyed by means that are comparatively benign (after all, "only" the large cities were destroyed), a world that tenuously holds on to the unity it found in the face of destruction, military splinter groups holding the last vestiges of power, huge alien spacecraft wrecks to investigate and plunder, maybe even alien survivors?
That the sequel film I wanted.
It would be worth a sci-fi series with countless seasons by itself. A perfect mix of the post-apocalyptic atmosphere of The Walking Dead, alien mysteries and espionage investigations and intrigues like 24 Hours and X-Files together... and the struggle to keep humanity united for a possible future return of aliens.
Plenty of material to enjoy if done right.
@@brunocesarcerqueira2525 It's sad that no one in Hollywood has the vision to make such a series. There have been some series along those lines
like " Colony " , but it ran out of steam after about 3 seasons
"Independence Day: Africa", telling the story of the battle against the hordes of aliens from the last ship, would have been an amazing movie. Commercial death, probably, but amazing.
Considering that all the cities of: Australia (barring Perth and Sydney), Oceania, Chile, Peru, Colombia, Ecuador, Bolivia, Paraguay, Uruguay, Alaska, the Canadian provinces of Alberta and Saskatchewan, every US state occupying the Great Plains, Oregon, the Caribbean (barring Havana), southern Africa (barring Cape Town, countries surrounding the Sahara Desert (barring Algiers) central Asia, the Iberian Peninsula, Ireland, Scandinavia (barring Helsinki) and Siberia were spared of damage/destruction, this should make for a very compelling series.
It's probably worth mentioning, since it was skipped over. The nuke used on the city destroyer, actually scared the Harvesters, as they didn't believe Humanity, had such powerful weapons, and brought their shields down to 10%.
The US should have hit each ship with several nukes, instead of just giving up after one.
@@jonwoodhouse1444 Nukes are one shot kills, so giving up after the first i can understand.
@@Dark_Fusion19 During the cold war, the us supposedly had plans to hit Moscow with up to 60 warheads, if ww3 went nuclear. Though, I do see your point.
@@jonwoodhouse1444 you pointed out the Soviet/Russia, so his point not valid anymore because they would've gone manic and fire 6000 nukes on the alien ship. So, 10% shield means at least 1 ship would be down already, but not.
@@putty-e2872 Not necessarily. The Russian government could have been uncharacteristically responsible and still been holding out on using that kind of response. In fact, had the cyber attack failed, the US or Russia probably would have tried a second nuclear attack or a scorched earth campaign. Eventually, they'd figure out how much firepower was needed. Granted, there wouldn't be much of a planet left afterwards.
The Destroyers were created in three different scales: a four-foot version for wide space shots, a twelve-foot "hero" model for the majority of shots, and a massive thirty-five foot section representing one sixth of the ship for closeups.
Thank you President Lone Star. When things really sucked, you turned it around to make it blow.
Nothing can resist THE POWER OF THE SCHWARTZ!
Oh, wow. I never noticed that until you said it. 😂
OK. Spaceball 1 versus ID4 city destroyer. SB1 is allowed to try to transform into Mega-Maid if they want to. Who wins ?
@@treyhelms5282, unfortunately, the city destroyer wins.
Mega-Maid is a one-trick pony, only able to suck (or blow) air from a protected planet. No fighters or other offensive/defensive weapons (that I remember).
And its radar is easily ... jammed.
The city destroyer does have the weapons & fighters necessary to perform offensive and defensive operations.
@@ELCADAROSA But mega maid has a three ring circus! And a bearded lady! And gymnasts! And they do have weapons and a tractor beam used on princess Vespas vehicle. Never mind the gunner needs eye surgery lol .
Fascinating to me that this was initially conceived as a sequel to Stargate the movie, and the aliens coming to Earth following Ra's defeat on Abydos.
Wait, really?
I'd love to hear the story behind that.
A reporter who was interviewing Emmerich and Devlin for Stargate pulled up the idea of what would happen in the enemies in that film couldn't attack Earth through the Stargate and decided to just fly their ships over instead. The pair looked at each other and one said "I think we just got our next movie..."
Still one of my favorite alien invasion movie. Its campy and I love it.
WELCOME TO EARTH!!!
"That's what I call an close encounter."
..Watched it today in fact..
Saw it in Houston on the release date. Everyone cheered when Houston got nuked. SFX guys must have been locals because they had a model of the 59 Split ramp collapsing. Houston hates the Split. I got on it just a couple of years ago when I went to the drive-thru vaccine mega center run by FEMA and Harris Co. Health. Looked like it was moving fast. But nope.
Agreed
Probably one of the most menacing ship in all Sci-Fi.
Ironically even with that size is one of the weakest from all Sci-Fi
Even better that it's a saucer.
That place goes to the "Event Horizon", sorry!😉
@@HwangInhoBooNam Only because humanity, by sheer luck, had a way to plant the virus. Without the crashed alien fighter craft, which they used to link to the mothership computer, these ships would have been invincible.
Also, it seems to me that there was one more weakness that is not brought up, the aliens' lack of any kind of log system or password IFF. Had they had such systems, they would have immediately known that there was a fighter of theirs that had been lost for decades that is now heading toward their main ship without any identification confirmation from the pilot.
@@HwangInhoBooNamShrugging a nuclear weapon is no joke, and there's evidence they can resist relativistic slug attacks
"We will not go quietly into the night!" still gets me every time.
I recall as a kid watching the movie and thinking the main weapon was actually for mining and was just incidentally used as a weapon. Turns out that was true; I just had no idea *what* kind of mining it would be used for.
Also, in the expanded lore, the mothership in the first movie was "grown" off the surface of the ones we see in Resurgence and sent ahead of the main one in order to suppress humanity prior to harvesting the planet.
I am pretty sure the weapons on the ships were actually weapons, and the mining lasers/mining ship is another kind of wreapon/ship
There's expanded lore for this? (I shouldn't be surprised; there's expanded lore for everything. ^_^")
@@sarahberry6457 I think this was in the prequel novel Crucible.
@@chriswhite3692 I never knew there were novelizations of this movie. I may have to read those! Are they good?
@@sarahberry6457 I recall Crucible being good.
Went into the conflicts in Africa around the ship and how the African dude's father was like a nutcase or something and he had to assume power and fight the straggler Harvester aliens in a guerrilla war for years and years.
And stuff about the other main characters and setting up the defense force.
' the ships hung in the sky in much the same way bricks don't '
That's okay, I have my towel.
Do they have a plastic pal who is fun to be with?
What a way to celebrate the 4th of July with a film that had us face the biggest threat in the history of humanity.
Yes, bur don't
forget once agin as innocent as that seems, they still found a way to turn somrthing from pure American to a global event. Do not think for one secit was an accident .
@@dav-ox2nd Well it is a film that was made in America and so they are going to have it center around Americans.
It wasn't an accident for it was intended.
The thing about their sheer size being too much to overcome with conventional weapons even after the shields went down always seemed a little overblown. Sure, if you were going at them using mostly air-to-air missiles as the US did in their attack you won't make much of a dent, but a few bunker-busters dropped on top of them would make a pretty big hole.
They probably had very little ordnance left. You gotta understand that most of the world's militaries were wiped out before the shields went down
i don't know the sheer size of this ship and the complete lack of understanding of its inner workings would make knowing where to drop a rod of god like weapon a waste of time. dropping a nuke on it sure but a missile or other weapons the ship is just too big and wide for that to work.
@@adolfdripler581 Even during the initial counterattack over LA, they were only using air to air missiles, though. Even in the final battle you'd think they could find some 1,000lb bombs lying around,
I never got why they just used AMRAAMs against that ship. Even if it had never been shielded air to air missiles won't do much more than scratch the paint.
If I'd been planning this counterattack I'd have had B-1s and B-52s armed with as many 2,000lb bombs as they could carry, plus fighter-bombers armed with 1,000lb and 500lb bombs, plus anti-ship missiles and cruise missiles.
In the final battle I'd have thrown everything I could at it. Hell, even had tanks point their guns up at it and shoot!
@@kingsteve8083But you’re forgetting a lot of military installations were destroyed during the second wave. So likely there wasn’t much resources left
I love that design of those ships. Simple shape, but still detailed enough to make the incredible size tangible. The first movie was really good and imho still it. But the second one... let's avoid that. I refuse to accept that in my personal head canon.
I refuse to believe they made a second film.
Not gonna lie. I bought the 4k DVD strictly for the awesome destruction and fighting scenes! But yeah...not a good movie. I was hoping for a third but that's out the window now.
@@johncee853 it's very sad because I enjoy the sequel, seriously it gave me star trek vibes with their plan to join universal federation to attack the invaders once and for all, imagine how joyful to see such unity in a hidden planet that occupied for multi-species headquarter for eons
Second film should have been along the lines of, "When they came in 1996 we found out they were locusts who strip-mined a planet then moved on. Now, we find out what they were running from."
@@johncee853 Rip it, use the best scenes to train an AI to make a better movie.
Fun fact 1:
In reality this ship wouldn't need any weapons. Air pressure under it would be such that it would crush any building
Fun Fact 2:
The deceleration of the mothership would create so much heat that Earth's surface layer would melt. All humans would be killed by their ship's arrival.
You neglected to consider the inertial dampeners and retrograv demodulators.
Fact 2 is false because to make the atmosphere layer burn in fire you need an object a lot bigger than the Mothership
@@HwangInhoBooNam
Why? The mothership was 500km in diameter. The energy needed to decelerate the mothership would have been insane. Easily enough to melt surface layer.
Atmosphere layer wouldn't burn. Surface layers would melt.
@@CptJistuce
Silly me! If they had just simply depolarized deflectors there wouldn't have been any problem
@@kimnice The alien mothership didnt move but instead space moved around the mothership. Thats why there was no deceleration. Those guys had all the gizmos which someone needs to control gravity, space and time.
I know they never actually created much lore behind the aliens but yeah this was pretty much a film summary, the only real breakdown being the ship having a 25km width.
I'm Canadian, so the 4th of July this year is just Tuesday. But ID4 is one of my favourite cinematic traditions. Try to keep all your limbs and eyes this year, my neighbours to the south. (Canadian "u"s used with reckless abandon)
Shout out from Australia, a fellow country that became independent from Britain without many needless deaths to avoid paying taxes.
@@v.sandrone4268 You know, fun fact: after the American Revolution, we ended up taxing ourselves higher than the British was ever planning to. Lol. I find that funny. The sheer irony.
One correction, the ship does have some short range point defense turrets which we see being fired at the welcome wagon helicopters
I always thought this was a small ship in the hanger firing out.
we never see a "turret" in that scene.
logicly seen a turret does not need a "door" that large to open to fire at the helicopters.
most likely it was the door of the flight hangar that opend and one of the attack fighters that fired the bolts at the helicopters.
@@TOFMDroneyes, exactly this. This is what I had always assumed. We never actually do see any other weapon systems and we also know this is the location of the entryway to the flight hangar as well, so it only stands to reason these blasts merely came from one, or perhaps a few of the ships fighters.
But didn't the fire come from the same hangar that the fighter craft launched from?
@@Soloong_Gaybowzer yup. It did.
One of my favorite 90s disaster movies. Thanks for covering it
1st movie: Big ships. Gives you a city-destroying laser just to say hello.
2nd movie: It's so big that it will rip the atmosphere off the planet just to say hello.
Those lasers remind me of cyclops laser from xmen
Its amazing the aliens need such a huge thing to destroy a city while we need only a little thermonuclear bomb!
Rule of cool!
At the same time, a nuke did absolutely nothing to the motherships thanks to it's energy shield.
To be fair, it's just the main cannon that destroyed the city.
The rest of the ship seems to house hundreds of fighter aircraft and, I'm guessing, hundreds of thousands of ground troops.
It's basically an aircraft carrier on a massive scale.
if this was realistic, the underside of an anti gravity craft of that size would devastate the city just by flying over it.
And unlike in the film, a field like that would not be able to shield a nuke completely nukes release so much energy in such a small point that it would just penetrate the shield anyway and still take the thing down. Modern nukes are so powerful and their blast is so large that no force field could shield them. To defend against nukes, you would need to prevent them from detonating to close to the ship, so it would have been more realistic for the aliens to use automated stationary weapons to shoot down missiles. Instead of the force field just tanking them.
Probably the best movie from the 90's in my opinion and the special effects still hold up now (Maybe because practical effects were still a thing back then). I always wished they'd done more with the counter atack once the shields were down, like sending in high flying B-52's to do some old fashioned bombing runs like in world War 2 but hey ho, can't complain.
Yes, I always thought the one thing they'd missed in the original movie was that fighter aircraft was most certainly NOT our only weapon we could've used to launch the attack with. Certainly an integral part, but yes, what about bombers and other aircraft, or how about ships launching missiles and even ground position or silos and yeah, what about good old fashioned ground forces, too. I know a bunch had already been destroyed, but if they could manage to string together so many fighter craft, they could've found some of this other stuff, too.
Indeed - "Their shields are down, NOW nuke 'em!".
@@Menkaure1408The whole film was framed around air force pilots. Thats why.
@@oO0Xenos0Oo indeed. And so they didn't even account for Naval aviators, lol. Total Air Force tribute.
@@oO0Xenos0Ooin Hornets no less.
Loved this movie when it first came out in 96. My parents and I actually went on July 4th to see the film. Good times!
We also saw it July 4, left the theater and fireworks were going on, it was awesome!
I was at my apartment in Tempe, AZ the day they arrived. The closest ship near us was in LA. You actually saw the exhaust clouds in the far distance while driving certain sections of interstate 10!
Guilty pleasure or not, I absolutely love this movie. It's by far my favourite "popcorn flick" And if I ever want to switch off my brain and just be entertained, this is the top of the list.
A large part of that is the designs of the Alien tech. The vfx guys did such a wonderful job on this movie. The ships look menacing, alien and beautiful all at the same time. And the practical effects and model work mean that ID4 has aged very well. Apparently they didn't get that memo for the forgettable, cgi riddled sequel.
Yah the special effects hold up great even today.
The sequel disappointed me the first time I watched it, but I still rated it as being watchable enough for when I wanted to view a movie yet in a mood where I didn't really care to truly pay attention. Since then it has only gotten worse with each successive re-watch as I found myself giving things less and less of a pass, and now I'm not sure I can watch it again.
Feels like nobody's heart was really in it. :(
@@joshuachase9742 It was a pissed poor script.
I wish we got the ground war in Africa as the sequel. That had potential.
@@DavidKnowles0 Agree. I'm so tired of the "instant win/recovery" type endings. Show some real struggle in getting things right again.
0:20 Instant like for Sins of a Solar Empire music ;) (well actually not instant)
As I understand City Destroyer are use as shock troop carrier
And the Harvester Queen ship in Resurgence are used to Mine the planet core
No no simply NO. The first ID4 movie is the only one.
The second garbage money grap does simply NOT exist!
@@IIISentorIIIsshhhhhh
@@IIISentorIII I know I know. I too hate resurgence despite it's cool looking planet size mothership
Shhh. They're listening.
@@IIISentorIIIright...the first one felt more realistic as if it were to happen in our real life at any time any day..
I always thought the human military ( writers) left out ground based missile systems or naval sub launched cruise missiles , and manned anti aircraft weapons. .
That was moot until they could bypass the shields.... but ooooh boy that opening volley after that....
@@ISAFSoldier Totally useless air to air missiles haven't enough power to cripple something as big as the city destroyers.
@@marckrieger3277 Why the hornets tossed anti ship missiles :P and only tossed IR missiles when they had nothing left.
Was imagining the city killer getting hit with a volleys of Patriots and conventional warhead tomahawks. Maybe some SM-2s if they were close enough to the US Coast.
The nuke couldn't even destroy it because of the shield.
@parkmallbaby yes but one the Shield was down. After the virus. Instead of just aircraft. Use ground based missiles or from subs . Laser guided ordanace. . ( aim at the weak point) the jets didn't had enough ordanace to destroy the ships without the Shield.
I'm suggesting the launch of a barrage copper heads . Use the navy . Which should be mostly intact.
Fun fact. Roland Emerich has been trying to make this movie a second time since 1996
But realized a sequel was his worst filmmaking decision ever..
"Welcome to Earth!"
*Throws a hook.*
Now that's what i call a close encounter!.
My favorite movie. Saw it four times in theaters! Its the reason I'm a syfy nerd now!
Independence Day is a fun movie. I haven't seen it in a few years, but the aliens, their ships, and the city destruction are all still quite memorable in my mind. Thank you for the recap episode; it made me want to watch the movie again lol.
God be with you out there everybody. ✝️ :)
I literally rented out our base theatre for my unit to watch this film, lol. 👽
This was one of my favorite movies as a kid. My best friend in High School got pissed at me for putting the speech at the end in the Yearbook at my Senior's Message rather than leaving a message talking about how great my friends were, and how much I would miss them.
Only losers miss anyone from HS. Winners get out and get a life.
I still get goosebumps when I hear that clip of President Whitmore
Love, LOVE, LOVE, the first movie, hated the sequel. Should have taken cues from the ID4 books Silent Zone and War in The Desert.
They go around the galaxies (they are intergalactic, not interstellar) harvesting life, taking lifeforms that have genetic benefits, and turning those favored lifeforms from a conquered world into bio-mechanical gene-spliced tech. For those of you who have not read Silent Zone or War in The Desert; I suggest you do so. They're written by the same Author, Stephen Molstad and his insight gives a unique perspective you cannot get from the first movie. He heavily hints at the little guys hailing from another galaxy.
Goes off to find these books immediately... Thank you.
@@bowser515No problem.
Sounds like the Borg.
When I get home I'm gonna rewatch ID4
I've got this movie recorded on my DVR and can't wait to watch it. Again.
The most epic and scary alien ship from my childhood
I think I requested it one time, thank you for covering it. I'm surprised you did considering outside of what is in the movie there isn't much about them. It's one of the best Saucer Spaceship design, I also like the spaceship in The Thing (2011) who share a similar design but can only be seen fully in concept art.
The ID4 citydestroyers design detail look like cities which is overwhelming 😵💫
It's Independence time!
Even Spacedock could not dig up sufficient information on these mysterious alien ships.
Fun fact the city ships could have destroyed a city because of the immense downward pressure of such a large object.
it would be like that concrete under Starship rocket, blown away by immense downward thrust.
That would be too easy for the aliens
I'd just like to point out that the nuclear strike was not, in fact, ineffective. According to the novel the nuke fired severely depleted their shields down to only 10%. A second strike would've finished it off.
it is illogical plot, since other country would've fired more because they have different leaders.
@@putty-e2872 Funnily enough that is exactly what happened in the novel. Russia and China managed to bring down a couple because they just kept hammering them with nukes.
No it didn't.
Nowhere in the movie does it say that. Nor does it say it in any of the tie-in novels. Please say where you got this info from, because I think you just made it up.
@@akiramasashi9317 No they didn't.
This is made up. I've seen the movie and read both the novelisation and tie-in novels and nowhere does it mention that.
Russia gets battered even worse than everyone else because they don't accept that the shields are impenetrable and keep attacking, to the point that after the successful worldwide counteroffensive, they have barely anything left.
Just watched the movie with my kids for the holiday and it was their first time seeing it... they enjoyed it as much as I did on my first watch.
1:44 is wrong. We know that they had at least in the "hangar frontal area" gun emplacements. And given the size and what we saw in ID2 we know perfectly well that they basicaly did not need to use all their capability's untill the shields collapsed. And by then the airbattle was so dense that they did not utilize their AA becuase hitting their own would have ben a posibility. It could also have ben, in the one battle we saw, that the ground to air emplacements (that also fired and unleashed hell) did in fact target those things as soon as they unboxed (as nearly halve the battle was waged on its underside). Given we humans know how to AA, its safe to asume that even the 20 - 40 mm guns shreded those gun emplacements if present or used (like the gatlins on the planes do with the alien fighters quiet effectivly)
I think these aliens are a mining team because their way in waging war is so inefficient that I think they're improvising with those equipment and their arrogance in thinking that primitives can't kill them just cost them. 🤣🍺
Nah, they're just trained by the Russians. Explains why they're so shit at war.
Space dock plays giga chad move.
Americans, sci fi enthusiasts, and intergalactic species are all tuning in to this one
Well played. Well played
Whitmore was a politically troubled president. The invasion brought out his giga Chad. BTW, Bill Clinton absolutely is a giga Chad. I met him at a 1992 campaign event. I'm not gay, but I would have been so for him if that's what he wanted. No kidding.
It's fortunate that the aliens used MacOS and didn't think that any viruses would affect them, otherwise the one 500kt nuke wouldn't have totally vaporized the mother ship that is 1000 times larger than the blast radius of said nuke.
probably wasn't actiually the nuke explosion itself we saw destroy the ship, but rather the ship's power core going critical after the nuke damages it too much.
The AGM-69 SRAM is only 200kT.
@@Bacopa68 The missile wasn't a SRAM. (Yes, I know what SRAM looked like) They also didn't say what the yield was, just that it was a tactical nuke. In general the largest tactical nukes are about 500kt. That's why I chose that yield. Totally abitrary. The scene started at 1:52:20 into the movie.
@@firstcynic92 You are right. The largest tactical air delivery nukes were a half megaton. These were mostly replaced with B61 variants that maxed out at 300kT. The current version of B61, sometimes called the Obama bomb, is a 50kT bunker buster. We have quite a few stashed away in Germany and Turkey should Russia try anything.
And yes, the missile in the movie isn't exactly an SRAM. It's quite a bit bigger. But IRL, the closest thing around in 1996 would have been SRAM. That's why I call the missile an SRAM even though the B-2 never had an SRAM launcher. I'm just going with my knowledge of what was available at the time.
I mean a blast radius has a lot or force taken out because it's going in a circle, ironical since the shields are the strongest part of the ship, when the blast wave occurred, instead of the nume being able to vent a lot of its force that would go straight up or into the earth and shake it, it just turned sideways, with the rest of the force, and continued to destroy the ship
The amerikans attack on the Area 51 ship was futile. I have no idea what they expected to do with their A2A missiles. Those have small warheads, and were never intended for the use to which we see in the film. That attack would be like have 100 men with carbines firing at a WW2 battleship. Even unshield they werent doing any damage to speak of. Of course, they got lucky, b/c, Hollywood blockbuster. They had the right idea earlier in the movie. Nuclear cruise missiles certainly would have worked (at that point), but at a major cost of course...
The Hornets were firing AGM-84 Harpoon anti ship missiles, not that it made a difference really.
@@solowingborders3239 In the first counterattack over LA they fired AMRAAMS at it, which made no sense.
I was happy to relive some of Independence Day, but genuinely shocked to be reminded of the existence of Independence Day 2.
I saw this on 4 July 1996 in Houston. Everyone stood up and cheered when Houston was nuked in an attempt to destroy the craft. The special effects department must have had a guy from Houston on it because the film used a model of the 59 Split, the most hated freeway interchange at that time and even today. Everyone loved the seeing that concrete melt and collapse in the explosion.
BTW, the air launched missile in the scene was based on the SRAM, which had been withdrawn from service a few years before 1996.
Gotta say love the use of Sins of a Solar empire soundtrack
I might not like America all that much, but I'm willing to give them some props. They make damn good sci-fi
A ship that can hover a city is epic. Childhoods end is also epic.
Bonus points for using the term "cyclopian". 😉😎🤘
The city destroyer used wormholes as the means of ftl travel
Watched it with a fellow nerd in theater when it originally released! Fun movie.
Really giving us the highschool special with this spaceship breakdown.
This isnt a ship breakdown but a summary of the Independence Day storyline.
When an advanced alien civilization forgot to invest in IT
There was a point where I'd seen that movie so many times that I could quote it verbatim.
Not exactly proud of it, but it was a time when I couldn't afford cable and we only owned a few DVDs. LOL
man this is a universe i would love to see them expand
It's hard for me to hear that speech at the beginning and not think "we're not just doing this for money... We're going it for a shitload of money!"
According to the official novelisation, their goal was 'food(us), water, air then sun' - they arrive, devastate the locals, establish a beach head to process the planets core, and by the time it's all over there are now two capital ships. Moving their way across the galaxy like locusts.
In the prequel novel Silent Zone, it shows a vision Dr Welles had of the surviving crashed Roswell alien, in which they've consumed all resources on a planet's surface and then move underground, eating lichens to survive whilst they strip-mine the planet.
Had they won, they'd have taken literally everything from the Earth, stripped it bare, and then moved on.
Still such a great speech 🎉🎉
Happy 4th of July to those that celebrate it 🎇🎇🎇
"Good morning. In less than an hour, aircraft from here will join others from around the world. And you will be launching the largest aerial battle in the history of mankind. "Mankind." That word should have new meaning for all of us today. We can't be consumed by our petty differences anymore. We will be united in our common interests. Perhaps it's fate that today is the Fourth of July, and you will once again be fighting for our freedom... Not from tyranny, oppression, or persecution... but from annihilation. We are fighting for our right to live. To exist. And should we win the day, the Fourth of July will no longer be known as an American holiday, but as the day the world declared in one voice: "We will not go quietly into the night!" We will not vanish without a fight! We're going to live on! We're going to survive! Today we celebrate our Independence Day!"-President Whitmore
Quite a rousing speech.
I can imagine the UK version of this speech: "Let's go kill the bastards!"
SUPER subtle timing, guys! 🤣 Happy 4th of July, 'Murica!
Man what a great movie. It's a shame they never made a sequel........ (Stares with violent intent)
There was a sequel. It was released in 2016. The film was a lot like its predecessor with heavy borrowing from anime. Lightning could not strike twice on that franchise.
@@sundragon7703 did you miss the (stares with violent intent) part? There was no sequel. It never happened. Let us never speak of this matter again.
@@sundragon7703that was a typical generic alien movie
I wrote an article for my website that quickly devolved into trashing the Aliens from this movie for being shit at war and so dependent on their tech that they did not know what to do when they could not hide behind it.
To be fair, you're not wrong.
They're a hive mind, with no real individual thought or innovation. They have two real advantages; their shields and their numbers. They don't need to be good at war with those, so when they lose the shields, they're fucked.
No mention of how the ship's hull is designed to contain and direct the shockwave generated by the primary weapon, which is called "The Hammer"? Oh well. Happy Independence Day.
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I also would have accepted a breakdown on the ectoplasm-animated Statue of Liberty seen in Ghostbusters 2.
It seems so funny that these gigantic things have to get right up and kiss the city. Amazing lack of long-range weaponry on this species.
And bio weapons. If they were here back in 1949 why didn't they just make a human-killing superbug?
I lov how movies so American like Independence day seemed so normal as a kid
If they only kept up their subscription to Norton Antivirus....
I think the smoke and fire was a sheath of plasma, which EM radiation has trouble penetrating, one of the reasons you lose radio contact with spacecraft during re-entry.
It could either be a form of stealth, or maybe it's the ship dumping energy during re-entry.
The russians have experimented with using plasma as a form of active stealth, basically generating it at the leading edge and having it flow over the wing.
Dunno if it worked for them or not.
Thank you for the solid chronological description.
The only thing I might add is that the alien technology seemed to function, at least partially, on Broadcast Energy or networked power transmission of some type.
The first movie suggested that was why the derelict Roswell craft “woke up” when mothership was close.
By the second movie humans seemingly replicated or reverse engineered the hover technology as you stated as evidenced in the film though I don’t think they ever discuss the power source(s) for all this fantastic tech.
The thing that suspended my belif is the fact that humanity had a intact city ship landed on the planet for years and did NOTHING with it. They did the stupidest shit, reverse engineered the tech made one shield generator and some new fighters a crappy moon base and a few pathetic defense sattelites. In reality a nation like the usa etc would have taken that ship and reverse engineered that entire vessel until earth had a fleet of battleships in orbit. The fact they focused on craft that were small and had little affect was crazy. They could have literally built hundreds of star destroyers or whatever and met the aliens in orbit way before anything was allowed to hit the planet again
@@TAKIZAWAYAMASHITA They only had 20 years. They already did way to much in those 20 years to be believable.
@@DavidKnowles0 True but you likely could build a us super carrier in a day if your life litterally depended upon it. When survival is the top goal things like money and bs goes out the window and everyone comes together for one singular goal. If you could convince the whole usa it needed more carriers or everyone would die. I guranteed you with in about a month the usa would have 100 new ships on the water something that would normally take a few years now takes a few months at worse a few weeks at best
@@DavidKnowles0 Look at 1940 to 1960.
@@TAKIZAWAYAMASHITA You're way overestimating US industrial capacity there. 100 ships in a month? Definitely not. They're not just steel boxes in a boat shape anymore.
Also, the whole planet was devastated after this war; industrial output wouldn't even be 5% of pre-1996.
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I hope we get a prequel to the first movie explaining the backstory of the main characters.
One of my favourite ships in sci-fi.
This feels like it would have been a nice promo for the sequel movie.
A third movie is needed to show humanity fighting back with other species. This movie had the potential of being a very successful franchise that might’ve rivaled even Star Trek.
Perfect for the 4th of July
Trying to fight a ship with 25 km diameter with amraam and sidewinder missiles , no wonder they didn't made much damage. Well its not the only plot hole of the movie.
In reality, we would just nuke something that massive and then send the fighters in to mop up.
But you are right, shooting a blast fragmentation warhead at a ship that has a hull which would likely be dozens of meters think is pretty stupid. We'd use heavy anti ship missiles.
I'm sure the Mother Ship could have done Planetary Bombardment but then we wouldn't have a movie
The aliens also wouldn't have a feeding ground.
Still one of my favorite movies.
Hey, Spacedock, there a chance you could do a breakdown of the Dropship "Lucky 13" From Love Death Robots? Even if it was a short, from what I can tell, not a lot of information exists on it
I feel an advanced alien civilization would have vastly superior computers than our 90's computers did, would have been better if the virus failed and the aliens trolled them.
All the fighters and city destroyers' shields being powered remotely by a much larger command ship has it's advantages, but disrupting that transmission could be a weakness, would have made a better and more realistic movie in my opinion.
Nice video. Dare I even attempt to re-watch the second film even with some former Soviet-liquid motivation?
omg I love this channel. I have a question for you: Let's presume you have a small device the size of a basket ball that can continuously emit 1x10^25 volts of electricity, at whatever amperage you want, at will. The power is just always available without the need for batteries or capacitors -- let's say it's zero point energy, or some matter/anti matter generator from some sci fi tech.
What could one do with this much power? Laser potential? Electrolasers? Charged particle gun? Not even considering other aspects, like transportation or EMF manipulation, shields. Using so much power, what could one do to generate shields? Especially if we included a gravity wave generator, allowing a gravity bubble as protection ( for more please check out: "Zero Point The Story of Mark McCandlish and the Fluxliner" )
Oh also, the casing of the device has near perfect heat dispersement, so that isn't an issue.
Side project of mine to recreate a "theoretically scientifically possible" Dalek
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Nice drop on the 4th of July 👌
This ship is still epic 20+ years on.
Still one of the greatest alien invasion movies of all time. The sequel sucked, but it still gave us some interesting insights into how the Harvesters’ civilization works, which was much appreciated. Would’ve loved to see that decade-long ground battle in Africa. Shame we were just told about that rather than shown it. I’m sure their ground combat tactics are quite unique and required unique counters from the humans.
Love a brit covering Independence Day on the American holiday
Those city destroyers design make them look like cities in the sky..
Thought we were gonna get an actual ship breakdown
Of course they needed to release this on the 4th :p
Those attacks with missiles are also a great example of size problem. Those things are huge, but still in the view from teh distance, a single fighter missile makes half that (vertical) size of explosion? A fireball at least 100m? And when you zoom in when the fightercraft are spitted out, they look too small. (And the aforementioned explosion would make the whole screen into fire, with lots of room to go).
This channel also has a video which explaines the reason for size-shifting spacecraft in movies 😄