if ea did end up doing a refresh of dine out (including fixing all of the bugs) i would love to see this kit be gifted to those who already own dine out and have to deal with all the bugs
Honestly they owe it to people who bought it to refresh dine out and this stuff would’ve been perfect for that, but nah they wanted cash obviously 🙄😂🤦🏻♀️
In case nobody's said it already- the short curtains are supposed to go mid-height on the window, providing some privacy for table diners, but still letting full light in above.
Honestly when I was playing with the kit last night, I thought these curtains didn't even fit the window properly while trying to make the bistro my IRL town has. I knew where to hang them too. BTW they can be attached to the divider! Thought that was actually lovely. My point here though was the curtains are a bit small on the sides to fit the window in the kit.
As a French person and formerly parisian, I am glad to have a kit that feels a little bit like home (I agree that some items could have been smaller but I mean the vibes are here). The Sims 4 worlds are so American coded that it nice to have something a little more European (like Henford based on UK and Tartosa based on Italy).
I love the get-together world aka Windenburg as I'm used to seeing houses that look like that irl, as it's based off of a ,orthern European style village!
@MuirlySims I don't think so. I have never seen a kit being the same theme that the following expansion pack. Otherwise it is really taking peopke for idiots too obvously "Yes we know this could have been included in the EP but we wanted you to pay separately". I know EA is a cash grab, but not to this point...
@@cendre_mge1994 That's true. This would be a first, if my hunch is correct. I'm basing my speculation on the fact that both kits are French vibes and that the road map is "season of love". It would make sense for it all to tie in together. I wouldn't put it past EA to do this. They're getting really money grabbing lately. Just look at their other games - yikes!
This one aggravates me the most honestly because what is a bistro? Literally the definition is “small restaurant” WE DONT HAVE RESTAURANTS IN BASE GAME I’m tired of everyone saying they are for “lounges” nah they made dlc for dlc
A kit theme is just that a theme, the bars in game do sell food so in with basegame you could set up an eating place with them. Kits are like those micro lego kits, they are little things to add onto what you have if you want. Not to mention we have Home Chef Hustle, the Cafe lot type in Get Together, and a crap ton of Market stalls. There’s a few in game mechanics you can use to create a place for Sims to go out to eat. I don’t love kits, there’s too bloody many, but they are sort of a ‘self judge if this is useful for your gameplay’ type thing. And you could use the furniture in the bistro kit for a lot of things besides a litteral bistro. Including yes, a basegame bar or lounge.
@@TheDawnofVanlife Definition for bistro is "a small, relatively simple restaurant, especially one offering French or French-style food" keyword being "restaurant". In order for this Kit to function as more than just a fancy bar/lounge setting, one would need to have Dine Out or Get Together. Like Satch said, if you're a builder this would be great for an aesthetic, but to get actual gameplay that fits the theme, you need extra DLC. Somebody with only base game or a pack with market stalls would not get much use out of this, even if food items are being sold. We all know Sims don't usually bring their food to eat at a table; they either stand there and eat right at the stall or the bar which defeats the entire purpose of the chairs, tables, etc. that come in this Kit. In Dine Out/Get Together, they are more inclined to sit at a table because of the dining functionality.
@@TheDawnofVanlife a bigger issue is definitely the fact that these empty (but pretty) kits take away time and resources from stuff packs, game packs, and expansions. kits were a last-minute addition, and honestly if ea weren't money-hungry and constantly releasing bland packs, i would LOVE kits. small packs with specific themes you can pick-and-choose from? it's not a bad idea in theory. but within the context of every broken, boring pack ea pushes out, kits are just another way for them to squeeze a penny out of their player base. i think we've all had an underlying bad taste in our mouth since the introduction of kits. i have many, and i love them lots, but i would 100% choose better game packs and expansions over them.
@@Wishfulthinking-vp6tzI think they’re referring to that: on occasion, kits are offered for free on the EA store. They offered the Desert Luxe kit and the Blooming Rooms kit for free at one point. But it’s really just something that happens every once in a while.
@@Wishfulthinking-vp6tz $5 is not cheap. That adds up quickly. Especially with how little they really include. In Canada its $7, which is just crazy imo.
You brought up a good point about the coffee machine being in a bar. I just made a build using this kit and originally I was going to make it a cafe (because I never play with cafes and I think this kit would look great for a cafe). Because I never play with cafes, I didn’t realize that even if you put a bar, separate from an espresso bar, a bartender wont spawn, like they would if you had a bar in a lounge, bar, nightclub. Only a barista would spawn. And I thought that’s weird because what’s the point of this kit having a bar and an espresso machine. So I decided to make a bar instead. The more I built using the objects, the more I realized that them adding an espresso machine was a poor choice. Like I get where they were coming from when looking into bistro aesthetics, but like you said, they also needed to consider how sims 4 lots operate. Other than that, I’m obsessed with this kit. I do wish they added maybe an extra item or two, but I’ll always never be satisfied with how small kits are. Also this is so incredibly small, but was anyone else disappointed that there weren’t swatches for the nectar bottle? Like cmon Sims, it’s the small details lol
I renovated the town square cafe in Get Together with the bistro kit last night and thought it was lovely with the cafe bar, but I know bistros are supposed to be both breakfast baked goods and coffees then be dinning with a bar. I suppose we just have to be super choosey on which type we prefer.
It's a bit weird they keep adding new community lot packs, but never added new lot spaces for them. Its a limitation of the way neighbourhoods work now I guess, I don't think it was a terrible design, but it just lacked the future proofing 3 had. There is that empty neighbourhood, but its just kind of weird with it being COMPLETELY empty, not even a few example lots about.
I find it a bit funny that the chairs and barstools are the same design that we had in ALL the other Sims games, but it took 10 years to get them in Sims 4. In a kit. I would have like to have the decor on the shelves be objects so you you could use them as a hutch or whatever you wanted, like a hutch maybe, but the decor that is on there does limit your use of it a little. If I were playing Sims 4, which I'm not, and I was building with it I'd be using a lot of move objects to cover some of the decor that is on it to make it into what I wanted it to be. Gotta remember with the Sims team, its all about how something LOOKS not what it actually IS. Remember the stories! They want to see the stories you make with it! It's what they said in every single livestream. I'm wondering if the bar that came with the other kit matches this kit, so you can use the new one tile bar with it instead of the big one. Just curious.
You know what? The more I watch reviews, the less I’m tempted with this kit. And all reviews I’ve watched so far are unanimous: it’s pretty, it matches well, but it just lacks in wall heights for the limited items there are. I really like the flooring, the awning and the booth (as I don’t have Dine Out I really like that booth). And for the question of « is there enough to create a bistro? » to be honest yes for the play pretend. But there won’t be any kitchen. (Also because of bistronomy to me a bistro is more a restaurant than a bar so it definitely is not functional)
Personally, I bought this kit because my IRL town is Italian and French themed (it's a wine town), so I wanted to have builds inspired by it. It's honestly very lovely, but it could use a bit more. I had to pair it with Get Together to test it, but had the "oh.. it's lacking something..." moments. Just can't place my finger on what that is.
@@corabeaniI just got the kit through a giveaway in the end! I saw someone asking peacemaker (a cc creator used to make addons cc) to do addons because yeah, it misses something. I think the worst part of it is missing a matching wall panel with nothing written on it so that my outside facade is not just windows!
@@MirificentJoy I think the booth could use a small rectangular table and a slightly more clunky chair. For that half booth look since the table and chair the kit came with look very small paired with it. I think that the nectar bottle should be in more colors and maybe we should have gotten a trio of them. I also think a loveseat and a rug would be nice. Then a small... And I mean small candle cluster to be put at the center of the table instead of just having the tiny lamp. For outside, ivy and maybe an umbrella table. That way you have something for the "veranda" that the "panel" and opened door mention (btw the panel is an outdoor menu), and a more well rounded selection for inside.
This is better than the riviera kit but I would recommend to go check cc items first. I don't think kits are worth buying. Some of them would be free in a few months anyway lol. Just go to house of harlix they have more than enough variety in there including stuffs for bistro/cafe. They also have options for different wall heights on doors, windows, curtains, shelves, lights etc. Save your money for when you buy your next expansion or game pack or buy yourself some mcdonalds meal 😆
I love building ridiculous mansions, and they almost always have very tall walls. Finding interior doors for the bathrooms that don't look ridiculous, or various archways that are sufficiently high, is impossible. One of my pet peeves. Like "oh, look at my magnificent hallway here with statues ...and sized-up plants 9 ft tall....and now look at my TINY little wooden interior door. It looks so stupid.
Tbh I've been trying to make bobs burgers save file without cc and this kit helps way too much lol you'd never think it but this kit was like ripped from Jimmy pestos restaurant 😅
I didn't know a bistro was a bar... I thought it was more like a café. I learned something new (clearly Over never been to a real one). Since I am not into building, I'll hold off buying these kits until builders on the gallery start adding cool builds using them.
Any bar can fits in a small place as long as you got galvanized steel support fixed to the wall with expansion screws borrowed from your aunt and eco friendly wood veneer for maximum durability.
i actually want more cafes, not bars. i'm bored already with bars.. how many bars we already have?? i'm not even drinking irl so it's kinda unrelatable. cafes please. The door, window, sign, divider, awning, looks nice though
If you have get together, you can 100% make a cafe with this kit. The bar object is just an object and does serve food as well and its the only basegame compatible option really, I use “bars” on my Sims 4 community lots a lot as it was my basegame work around for a food order spot. Now that I have more packs, I still use bars sometimes for this. The “bistro aesthetic” is a theme for the items not a cage you have to tie yourself to while using it.
i think theyre gorgeous as a bistro, it works as a bar, which are into basic game. it would work in homes, without the bar stuff, a nice table set and accessories. - i think it would look nice with the bakery in Get to work, to turn it into a outdoor cafe. - also works with a food sale, you go sit at the tables and eat, or order a drink. - it would be a nice wedding set! to me anyways. - it would work with dine out. - they did the same with sims 3, they sold the extra packs if you didnt want to buy the whole thing. if you didnt have the pack, it didnt match other stuff, and didnt make sense if you didnt have the accompanying world. but you could do piece purchasing if you didnt want the world or didnt have the money for it. - my birthday is coming up, i would love this kit. - i think this would be nice with the eco kit. sit and have a drink outside, with people dumpster diving in the background, then come over and sit on the seats to eat their meals or just rest.
I personally think both kits are very lovely. They look like my town (wine town) and how I enjoy building, so I don't have a problem with them overall. I feel like the bistro kit could have used a couple more items (couch or maybe a larger table), but it pairs so well with existing items that it's not that big of a deal.
Satch: "The coffee machine is quite big and doesn't suit being in a home." Me with my very large bean to fresh coffee machine that does 4 different types of coffee and steams/froths milk: "I beg to differ"
Carls dine out mod is actually still broken at this time! I promise if you try uninstalling you’re gonna notice such a big performance difference, it was really making my game fall apart and causing a lot more problems than I thought after a while. The only thing I noticed that changed in my dine out gameplay after uninstalling was that sims get up and like to walk around sometimes at the restaurant but they’re pretty easy to recall with the “sit together” option at dinner but the act of having dinner itself in the sims 4 seems to now perform very smoothly now since the update. Hope this helps!
😅 plus gelato comes with the ice cream maker in cool kitchen which functions with get to work retail set up like an ice cream shop or the market stands you can sell your ice creams and remarks with those and if you have home chef you can bring the ice cream maker with you on site and keep making frozen treats to sell.
In the Log in special they have going on now, it has a one tile bar, so maybe you can use that one. They do look similar and they might match in color.
a small, casual restaurant with a relatively inexpensive, simple menu. Unlike a cafe, it usually has full meals instead of just snack type food. So it isn't just bars.
I bought this kit as I kinda liked the designs, but i quickly encountered some problems with it. Firstly, the menu pannel is bigger that the windows and the doors lol, x Without speaking of the fact that at least the medium hight windows would have been highly appreciated.. that huge sofa is really giant and doesn't suit the cozy bistro vibe at all. Personally, I could find a use of it in my build. They give us a new coffee m1ker yay, cool! BUT! where are we supposed to place it!? You can't place it neither on the barback nor on the 4 tiled bar! Gotta use a kitchen element, but than again that looks awful next to the barback and I couldn't find a matching swatch for the teal palette.. The mirror we get with that kit is just awful - it's too big and is placed too high wich looks ridiculous with the new wallpaper et compared with the low wall height. Looks like it was supposed for the medium wall heigh, but the windows and the door are for the low one😂 They're incapable to male this small kit match and work well together..
Idk. Where I'm from (latin america), a bistro usually is like a coffee house with some full meals, you basically eat on bar chairs because it's supposed to be mildly unconfortable. The lack of new counters annoy me SO MUCH. Also, choosing wheter or not its a bar, a caffee or a restaurant, and then I cant have coffee on my library... Just assing a sim to every thing already, MODDERS CAN DO IT, WHY EA CANT?!1! AAAAAAAH
Yeah you have to make it sims 3 community lot style with the random self serving bar and coffee maker if you dont own dine out lol I don't dislike this stuff per se, its just that I didn't feel it was needed especially if you dont own dine out and if you do own dine out it is broken so unless you use the dine out reloaded mod it is pointless, and if you use mods there is tons of cc that is already like this stuff. so...If anyone wants alternate mods for the same ideas, AroundTheSims4 has tons of bistro CC for sims 4 My opinion about kits is not matter what limit it has on objects, different wall height variations for things DONT COUNT Out of the two kits i think both are meh but not bad, but weird choices and require other packs to reach their potential which isn't fair for people who don't have them
There is a base game table that was patched in that's a replica of s French bistro table called the mafique or something like that has a gold and white swatch if that helps and that maybe why the kit only has outdoor feel tables I think the table I'm thinking not its thumbnail swatch is gold and teal... Could be wrong.
Im still trying to decide if i should get it or not as a player who tries to do gameplay but ends up getting bored with my storyline for it before even starting, even though i made the sims and house. Although i do typically like building lots (bad at it, though). Can anyone give me insight on this?
I love the idea of having booths, but why the heck is it 3 tiles wide when none of the tables are??? Like what the actual heck? Even Lilsimsie was confused as to how to use it and she's a pro at pretending/making things work when they don't LMAO How is a three tile wide "booth" seat going to be useful for anything EA?!?!
An honest question here. Even if you have dine out, can you use a bar in a restaurant or do you need a mod for that? I thought it was just for food. I don't own dine out, so I don't know.
Where is the cynicism sir?!?!? 😅😅😅 I come here for help not wanting the new DLC so I can cling to my principles and you're all it's good(ish). Killinnnnnnn meeeeeee. Its fine, its fine, its FIIIIIINNNNNEEEEEEEEEEH.
Did we need a new coffee maker? Nope! I like the idea but when they drink coffee it immediately depletes the bladder bar and barely gives energy & that to me is just annoying. Does coffee make me have to pee? Yes but not THAT quickly.
I do like this kit, but it feels like a Parisian bistro designed by Americans who have never actually visited one outside of Disney or Vegas. Everything is too big, in real life, bistros pack a lot into a small space. Definitely needed a two tile bar, you're correct. The colours are great though, especially the darker jewel tones. Bought it without even thinking (won't be getting the swimming pool rocks kit).
I mean, America definitely has these small space cafes and bistros as well. But EA always wants to go 50% and that 50% tends to be repetitive and boring. They never do anything different. And they don't really "go hard" on a theme. They're very vanilla. As for sizing... well... the cupcake machine, the BG telescope... I just don't think they care.
It’s not supposed to be a French bistro. It’s more like general American-fusion bar/grill. It looks like American Irish pub, American style bistro, and American Italian restaurant mixed together Edit: you guys should know by now that this game is 90% west coast America
@@dd4850 people critique this kit by french standards bc both kits are obviously french-inspired. bistro is a french word, after all (from russian origin). but yeah, sims 4 is america simulator. just sucks they won't expand their horizons and be even a lil ambitious.
It would be better if he actually got the information correct though. Saying that the drinks tray in Riviera Retreat kit is just decorative is one example that immediately springs to mind. His reviews are opinion, sprinkled with speculation and outright false information (which he would know if he actually played with the packs before recording his reviews)
Your idea for a gelato bar would have been WONDERFUL because I've been really wanting to put an ice cream shop in my game. But then... that would make Cool Kitchen Stuff obsolete so of course it didn't happen.
Satch, the two-tile tables slot with the dining booth, I noticed the Party Essentials table actually lowkey matches! Also, that menu board is supposed to be placed outside by the door 😂
@@emily408 no, its not evidence of a divided set just because two items might go well together. are you looking at whats in the two kits 💀 they obviously don't quite combine to make one joint theme
6:00 I do get annoyed with this as well, same with the doors and windows. If you give us wall heights, make sure all objects can work across all wall heights. If you introduce rounded walls, make sure to keep introducing window that fit them. This isn’t difficult and I can’t believe people make excuses for it.
I mainly play small walled (I like things sim height only), so I can't complain too much about it. However, I agree that every window, door, arch, light, and curtain NEEDS to be introduced with all wall heights because it's lazy not to.
Anything that hangs from the ceiling as well as curtains, doors and windows should be in ALL 3 wall heights, I've never understood why they are so resistant to that!
I actually think both kits are nice. Rivera Retreat fits really well in desert worlds and you could do a lot with the bistro kit besides Bistros and the items are quality for there limited number. But I am not buying right now and basically just like EA discouraged me from further pack purchases with the shopping cart, they’ve some the same with the timed events. I think both kits are good actually, but not the time.
Well, in the official Sims roadmap it literally says something along the lines of "2 romantic kits and 1 flirty expansion pack" so I do believe that was the intent.
I got so excited seeing the Sims 3 Bistro. Decorating sims 3 rabbit holes is a fun idea. This pack seems alright as an accessory to Dine Out, if you like building. I think thats about it, though. The pool kit, I dont really understand
So as this is a kit only I dont expect it to work as Dine out with an actual chef and waiters etc. But since it is a BISTRO it would be he nice if this was the one bar object that served a few meals not just drinks??
This kit is like bar in 1920' to be honest. Doesn't look like bistro to me. Bit fancy aswell. That's the vibe I am getting personaly from this kit. Too bad for ea that my disappointment is immeasurable and I am not buying their stupid products anymore because I would get this one.
OMG, it looks just like the bistros in Sims 3, how awesome! If I were still playing Sims 4, which I'm not, I would drop everything to download that lot just for the nostalgia
Help, am I the only one whose gallery doesn’t work?? After updating the game I keep getting red x’s on everything there. I tried restarting my computer, turning off antivirus but nothing has been working
It looks like there's something wrong with the divider. It's meant to separate booths, not freestanding dining tables. Why didn't they give players booths that would fit correctly inside them? It makes no sense.
Umm these would’ve been amazing items in a Dine Out revamp. You’re right, on their own, it’s not particularly usable without other packs.
if ea did end up doing a refresh of dine out (including fixing all of the bugs) i would love to see this kit be gifted to those who already own dine out and have to deal with all the bugs
I thought your pfp was an Eldritch Horror, but it’s actually really cute. ❤️
Honestly they owe it to people who bought it to refresh dine out and this stuff would’ve been perfect for that, but nah they wanted cash obviously 🙄😂🤦🏻♀️
you're so right. god ea could've won back so many players if they did this. they just keep missing the mark
second this
In case nobody's said it already- the short curtains are supposed to go mid-height on the window, providing some privacy for table diners, but still letting full light in above.
THANK YOU! This has been driving me crazy because they ALL keep putting them at the top.
thats interesting thanks for saying that
So cool to learn! Resturants where I'm at also has them at the top of the windows! I've never seen them in the middle! Thanks for the new tip!
Honestly when I was playing with the kit last night, I thought these curtains didn't even fit the window properly while trying to make the bistro my IRL town has. I knew where to hang them too.
BTW they can be attached to the divider! Thought that was actually lovely.
My point here though was the curtains are a bit small on the sides to fit the window in the kit.
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As a French person and formerly parisian, I am glad to have a kit that feels a little bit like home (I agree that some items could have been smaller but I mean the vibes are here). The Sims 4 worlds are so American coded that it nice to have something a little more European (like Henford based on UK and Tartosa based on Italy).
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I love the get-together world aka Windenburg as I'm used to seeing houses that look like that irl, as it's based off of a ,orthern European style village!
Pure speculation here, but I'm guessing that this whole road map is going to be French based. Super excited about it!
@MuirlySims I don't think so. I have never seen a kit being the same theme that the following expansion pack. Otherwise it is really taking peopke for idiots too obvously "Yes we know this could have been included in the EP but we wanted you to pay separately". I know EA is a cash grab, but not to this point...
@@cendre_mge1994 That's true. This would be a first, if my hunch is correct. I'm basing my speculation on the fact that both kits are French vibes and that the road map is "season of love". It would make sense for it all to tie in together. I wouldn't put it past EA to do this. They're getting really money grabbing lately. Just look at their other games - yikes!
This one aggravates me the most honestly because what is a bistro? Literally the definition is “small restaurant” WE DONT HAVE RESTAURANTS IN BASE GAME I’m tired of everyone saying they are for “lounges” nah they made dlc for dlc
This. ☝🏻
A kit theme is just that a theme, the bars in game do sell food so in with basegame you could set up an eating place with them. Kits are like those micro lego kits, they are little things to add onto what you have if you want.
Not to mention we have Home Chef Hustle, the Cafe lot type in Get Together, and a crap ton of Market stalls. There’s a few in game mechanics you can use to create a place for Sims to go out to eat.
I don’t love kits, there’s too bloody many, but they are sort of a ‘self judge if this is useful for your gameplay’ type thing. And you could use the furniture in the bistro kit for a lot of things besides a litteral bistro. Including yes, a basegame bar or lounge.
@@TheDawnofVanlife Definition for bistro is "a small, relatively simple restaurant, especially one offering French or French-style food" keyword being "restaurant". In order for this Kit to function as more than just a fancy bar/lounge setting, one would need to have Dine Out or Get Together. Like Satch said, if you're a builder this would be great for an aesthetic, but to get actual gameplay that fits the theme, you need extra DLC. Somebody with only base game or a pack with market stalls would not get much use out of this, even if food items are being sold. We all know Sims don't usually bring their food to eat at a table; they either stand there and eat right at the stall or the bar which defeats the entire purpose of the chairs, tables, etc. that come in this Kit. In Dine Out/Get Together, they are more inclined to sit at a table because of the dining functionality.
Dlc for dlc is literally what my first pets stuff is so it’s not exactly new. Theyve been doing it lmaooo
@@TheDawnofVanlife a bigger issue is definitely the fact that these empty (but pretty) kits take away time and resources from stuff packs, game packs, and expansions. kits were a last-minute addition, and honestly if ea weren't money-hungry and constantly releasing bland packs, i would LOVE kits. small packs with specific themes you can pick-and-choose from? it's not a bad idea in theory. but within the context of every broken, boring pack ea pushes out, kits are just another way for them to squeeze a penny out of their player base. i think we've all had an underlying bad taste in our mouth since the introduction of kits. i have many, and i love them lots, but i would 100% choose better game packs and expansions over them.
I decided I’m not buying Kits anymore. I’ll just wait until they inevitably end up free in a few months.
Kits don’t become free. It’s only 4.99 literally so cheap
@@Wishfulthinking-vp6tz ….they have literally announced so many of the previous kits as free for limited time only months after release.
@@Wishfulthinking-vp6tzI think they’re referring to that: on occasion, kits are offered for free on the EA store. They offered the Desert Luxe kit and the Blooming Rooms kit for free at one point. But it’s really just something that happens every once in a while.
you mean in a few years?
@@Wishfulthinking-vp6tz $5 is not cheap. That adds up quickly. Especially with how little they really include. In Canada its $7, which is just crazy imo.
I always check your reviews before i decide if i should buy or not!
You brought up a good point about the coffee machine being in a bar. I just made a build using this kit and originally I was going to make it a cafe (because I never play with cafes and I think this kit would look great for a cafe). Because I never play with cafes, I didn’t realize that even if you put a bar, separate from an espresso bar, a bartender wont spawn, like they would if you had a bar in a lounge, bar, nightclub. Only a barista would spawn. And I thought that’s weird because what’s the point of this kit having a bar and an espresso machine. So I decided to make a bar instead. The more I built using the objects, the more I realized that them adding an espresso machine was a poor choice. Like I get where they were coming from when looking into bistro aesthetics, but like you said, they also needed to consider how sims 4 lots operate. Other than that, I’m obsessed with this kit. I do wish they added maybe an extra item or two, but I’ll always never be satisfied with how small kits are. Also this is so incredibly small, but was anyone else disappointed that there weren’t swatches for the nectar bottle? Like cmon Sims, it’s the small details lol
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It seem they forgot to add the swatcheds in the bottle. But they already used the same model in that hanging shelf, with other variations of swatches.
I renovated the town square cafe in Get Together with the bistro kit last night and thought it was lovely with the cafe bar, but I know bistros are supposed to be both breakfast baked goods and coffees then be dinning with a bar. I suppose we just have to be super choosey on which type we prefer.
I could see this kit being useful for the decades challenge tbh.
The torch in the Riviera kit would work for decades challenge as well!
It's a bit weird they keep adding new community lot packs, but never added new lot spaces for them.
Its a limitation of the way neighbourhoods work now I guess, I don't think it was a terrible design, but it just lacked the future proofing 3 had.
There is that empty neighbourhood, but its just kind of weird with it being COMPLETELY empty, not even a few example lots about.
I find it a bit funny that the chairs and barstools are the same design that we had in ALL the other Sims games, but it took 10 years to get them in Sims 4. In a kit. I would have like to have the decor on the shelves be objects so you you could use them as a hutch or whatever you wanted, like a hutch maybe, but the decor that is on there does limit your use of it a little. If I were playing Sims 4, which I'm not, and I was building with it I'd be using a lot of move objects to cover some of the decor that is on it to make it into what I wanted it to be.
Gotta remember with the Sims team, its all about how something LOOKS not what it actually IS. Remember the stories! They want to see the stories you make with it! It's what they said in every single livestream.
I'm wondering if the bar that came with the other kit matches this kit, so you can use the new one tile bar with it instead of the big one. Just curious.
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You know what? The more I watch reviews, the less I’m tempted with this kit. And all reviews I’ve watched so far are unanimous: it’s pretty, it matches well, but it just lacks in wall heights for the limited items there are. I really like the flooring, the awning and the booth (as I don’t have Dine Out I really like that booth). And for the question of « is there enough to create a bistro? » to be honest yes for the play pretend. But there won’t be any kitchen. (Also because of bistronomy to me a bistro is more a restaurant than a bar so it definitely is not functional)
Personally, I bought this kit because my IRL town is Italian and French themed (it's a wine town), so I wanted to have builds inspired by it. It's honestly very lovely, but it could use a bit more. I had to pair it with Get Together to test it, but had the "oh.. it's lacking something..." moments. Just can't place my finger on what that is.
@@corabeaniI just got the kit through a giveaway in the end! I saw someone asking peacemaker (a cc creator used to make addons cc) to do addons because yeah, it misses something. I think the worst part of it is missing a matching wall panel with nothing written on it so that my outside facade is not just windows!
@@MirificentJoy I think the booth could use a small rectangular table and a slightly more clunky chair. For that half booth look since the table and chair the kit came with look very small paired with it. I think that the nectar bottle should be in more colors and maybe we should have gotten a trio of them. I also think a loveseat and a rug would be nice. Then a small... And I mean small candle cluster to be put at the center of the table instead of just having the tiny lamp. For outside, ivy and maybe an umbrella table. That way you have something for the "veranda" that the "panel" and opened door mention (btw the panel is an outdoor menu), and a more well rounded selection for inside.
I just want better gameplay like it was in sims 2. 10 years and nothing like that.
This is better than the riviera kit but I would recommend to go check cc items first. I don't think kits are worth buying. Some of them would be free in a few months anyway lol. Just go to house of harlix they have more than enough variety in there including stuffs for bistro/cafe. They also have options for different wall heights on doors, windows, curtains, shelves, lights etc. Save your money for when you buy your next expansion or game pack or buy yourself some mcdonalds meal 😆
I love building ridiculous mansions, and they almost always have very tall walls. Finding interior doors for the bathrooms that don't look ridiculous, or various archways that are sufficiently high, is impossible. One of my pet peeves.
Like "oh, look at my magnificent hallway here with statues ...and sized-up plants 9 ft tall....and now look at my TINY little wooden interior door. It looks so stupid.
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Tbh I've been trying to make bobs burgers save file without cc and this kit helps way too much lol you'd never think it but this kit was like ripped from Jimmy pestos restaurant 😅
Haha, I was working to this too! Just adding in favorite families from animated TV shows as townies.
I didn't know a bistro was a bar... I thought it was more like a café. I learned something new (clearly Over never been to a real one). Since I am not into building, I'll hold off buying these kits until builders on the gallery start adding cool builds using them.
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your takes on sims/EA is so refreshing. thank you for the candidness with everything!!
Any bar can fits in a small place as long as you got galvanized steel support fixed to the wall with expansion screws borrowed from your aunt and eco friendly wood veneer for maximum durability.
i actually want more cafes, not bars. i'm bored already with bars.. how many bars we already have?? i'm not even drinking irl so it's kinda unrelatable. cafes please. The door, window, sign, divider, awning, looks nice though
If you have get together, you can 100% make a cafe with this kit. The bar object is just an object and does serve food as well and its the only basegame compatible option really, I use “bars” on my Sims 4 community lots a lot as it was my basegame work around for a food order spot.
Now that I have more packs, I still use bars sometimes for this. The “bistro aesthetic” is a theme for the items not a cage you have to tie yourself to while using it.
i think theyre gorgeous as a bistro, it works as a bar, which are into basic game. it would work in homes, without the bar stuff, a nice table set and accessories.
- i think it would look nice with the bakery in Get to work, to turn it into a outdoor cafe.
- also works with a food sale, you go sit at the tables and eat, or order a drink.
- it would be a nice wedding set! to me anyways.
- it would work with dine out.
- they did the same with sims 3, they sold the extra packs if you didnt want to buy the whole thing. if you didnt have the pack, it didnt match other stuff, and didnt make sense if you didnt have the accompanying world. but you could do piece purchasing if you didnt want the world or didnt have the money for it.
- my birthday is coming up, i would love this kit.
- i think this would be nice with the eco kit. sit and have a drink outside, with people dumpster diving in the background, then come over and sit on the seats to eat their meals or just rest.
I personally think both kits are very lovely. They look like my town (wine town) and how I enjoy building, so I don't have a problem with them overall. I feel like the bistro kit could have used a couple more items (couch or maybe a larger table), but it pairs so well with existing items that it's not that big of a deal.
This kit will work excellently for any turn-of-the-century build, I guess I'll get this one.
I really like it.
Satch: "The coffee machine is quite big and doesn't suit being in a home."
Me with my very large bean to fresh coffee machine that does 4 different types of coffee and steams/froths milk: "I beg to differ"
look forward to the cc makers doing a sims 2 version.
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i love that this looks like the bistro from sims 3
Carls dine out mod is actually still broken at this time! I promise if you try uninstalling you’re gonna notice such a big performance difference, it was really making my game fall apart and causing a lot more problems than I thought after a while. The only thing I noticed that changed in my dine out gameplay after uninstalling was that sims get up and like to walk around sometimes at the restaurant but they’re pretty easy to recall with the “sit together” option at dinner but the act of having dinner itself in the sims 4 seems to now perform very smoothly now since the update. Hope this helps!
I... um... wh.. why do I like this? The swatches are nice. (Still not buying it though).
I'm so getting that sims 3 bistro! I always wanted to see through that one
😅 plus gelato comes with the ice cream maker in cool kitchen which functions with get to work retail set up like an ice cream shop or the market stands you can sell your ice creams and remarks with those and if you have home chef you can bring the ice cream maker with you on site and keep making frozen treats to sell.
I reckon they are going to revamp dine out finally so it matches this kit and gets more sales.
My thoughts as well.
I doubt that
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This would be super cute with nectar making. You could have a winery without the ranch style
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In the Log in special they have going on now, it has a one tile bar, so maybe you can use that one. They do look similar and they might match in color.
a small, casual restaurant with a relatively inexpensive, simple menu. Unlike a cafe, it usually has full meals instead of just snack type food. So it isn't just bars.
I bought this kit as I kinda liked the designs, but i quickly encountered some problems with it.
Firstly, the menu pannel is bigger that the windows and the doors lol, x
Without speaking of the fact that at least the medium hight windows would have been highly appreciated.. that huge sofa is really giant and doesn't suit the cozy bistro vibe at all. Personally, I could find a use of it in my build.
They give us a new coffee m1ker yay, cool! BUT! where are we supposed to place it!? You can't place it neither on the barback nor on the 4 tiled bar! Gotta use a kitchen element, but than again that looks awful next to the barback and I couldn't find a matching swatch for the teal palette..
The mirror we get with that kit is just awful - it's too big and is placed too high wich looks ridiculous with the new wallpaper et compared with the low wall height. Looks like it was supposed for the medium wall heigh, but the windows and the door are for the low one😂
They're incapable to male this small kit match and work well together..
A bistro lot type would have been great.
Idk. Where I'm from (latin america), a bistro usually is like a coffee house with some full meals, you basically eat on bar chairs because it's supposed to be mildly unconfortable. The lack of new counters annoy me SO MUCH. Also, choosing wheter or not its a bar, a caffee or a restaurant, and then I cant have coffee on my library... Just assing a sim to every thing already, MODDERS CAN DO IT, WHY EA CANT?!1! AAAAAAAH
needing other packs for the kit to really have any value is a biiiig yikes. should've given us that 2 tile bar as well 😩
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The dividers remind me of when restaurants put plexiglass in between all the booths for Covid
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Awwee!! I always wanted to go inside that restaurant! That's amazing!!
This is My Fist Dine Out Stuff 😂
Thank you for filling in us for content it's so good that liquid is coming out of our mouths😭
To your point about a two-tile bar... they gave us a two-tile bar-back, so it makes no sense that there is no two-tile bar to go with it.
Maxis put a cozy bistro build on the gallery but made it a lounge instead of a cafe, the obvious choice.
Finally, I can accurately make the Ratatouille restaurant in the sims flour, thank you Smatch for showcasing this off! ❤️❤️❤️
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Put it on the gallery when you finish if you don’t mind
Yeah you have to make it sims 3 community lot style with the random self serving bar and coffee maker if you dont own dine out lol
I don't dislike this stuff per se, its just that I didn't feel it was needed especially if you dont own dine out and if you do own dine out it is broken so unless you use the dine out reloaded mod it is pointless, and if you use mods there is tons of cc that is already like this stuff. so...If anyone wants alternate mods for the same ideas, AroundTheSims4 has tons of bistro CC for sims 4
My opinion about kits is not matter what limit it has on objects, different wall height variations for things DONT COUNT
Out of the two kits i think both are meh but not bad, but weird choices and require other packs to reach their potential which isn't fair for people who don't have them
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the items are beautiful as always but should have been part of a dine out refresh..
Looks really pretty but how are we going to use it with restaurants being so broken..
You can eat in a bistro. Simple meals but you would go to a bistro to eat not just to drink.
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There is a base game table that was patched in that's a replica of s French bistro table called the mafique or something like that has a gold and white swatch if that helps and that maybe why the kit only has outdoor feel tables
I think the table I'm thinking not its thumbnail swatch is gold and teal... Could be wrong.
I just don't understand why the bar has rounded corners. It makes it really hard to match it to any of the pre-existing counters
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Especially frustrating that the kit doesn't come with any counters, or a long table to match the dining booth...
Again, waiting for this one being free too😂
Im still trying to decide if i should get it or not as a player who tries to do gameplay but ends up getting bored with my storyline for it before even starting, even though i made the sims and house. Although i do typically like building lots (bad at it, though). Can anyone give me insight on this?
A bistro is not a bar. You can eat little meals there. It is not only for drinking.
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Does anyone else only watch satchs reviews?
No offence to other simmers, but I prefer to watch shorter reviews that are not 30 minutes long.
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So damn brutally honest😅
Just bought both. EA have us by the balls lol
what is the dine out mod?
I love the idea of having booths, but why the heck is it 3 tiles wide when none of the tables are??? Like what the actual heck? Even Lilsimsie was confused as to how to use it and she's a pro at pretending/making things work when they don't LMAO How is a three tile wide "booth" seat going to be useful for anything EA?!?!
The sarcasm in this video, lol. They have become so complacent. :(
U can order food in the bar but you can't order that takeaway coffee they show in the ad 🧐
Can u order food at the bar with just base game or is Get Together the reason u can order food from this bar? I'm confused
@@Manicpixie88 🤔 omg, I thought that was bg!
An honest question here. Even if you have dine out, can you use a bar in a restaurant or do you need a mod for that? I thought it was just for food. I don't own dine out, so I don't know.
Yes I built a bar right next to the kitchen in my restaurant. Console player
@@deljean that's good to know. Thank you
Where is the cynicism sir?!?!? 😅😅😅 I come here for help not wanting the new DLC so I can cling to my principles and you're all it's good(ish). Killinnnnnnn meeeeeee. Its fine, its fine, its FIIIIIINNNNNEEEEEEEEEEH.
The items are pretty, but without a functional Dine Out pack, I'm not remotely tempted.
This should have been a whole pack not a kit 😭
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not enough room in your bistro for poor sims to do pushups. tisk
Quite art deco.
I like it too. I do agree it could have more, but its sims 4 so....
Either I'm crazy, or some of these designs looked like they're ripped from straight from the Sims 3.
Did we need a new coffee maker? Nope! I like the idea but when they drink coffee it immediately depletes the bladder bar and barely gives energy & that to me is just annoying. Does coffee make me have to pee? Yes but not THAT quickly.
NO MATCHING COUNTERS FOR THE BARRRRRRR 😑😩😤😡😠
This is just a bar kit.
I have better objects from cc creators. This is boring and a waste of money.
I need to remind myself that I don't want to support EA after they sank Alice Asylum... cause this kit is so nice 🥲
I'm still not over that. 😩
Yeah I want this kit but I don’t want to give EA anymore of my money. They need to fix dine out first. But I like this kit way too much.
Same, I like both the new kits. Shockingly good quality for Sims 4. But EA (even outside the sims 4) get no more of my $$.
Thank you for going through these kits, I won't be buying them but it's fun to see what new items they come with.
I like to see videos like this so ik what new cc to keep an eye out for
I do like this kit, but it feels like a Parisian bistro designed by Americans who have never actually visited one outside of Disney or Vegas. Everything is too big, in real life, bistros pack a lot into a small space. Definitely needed a two tile bar, you're correct. The colours are great though, especially the darker jewel tones. Bought it without even thinking (won't be getting the swimming pool rocks kit).
It's odd too because they have a Europe based team now. They were the ones who designed the home chef hustle kit.
I mean, America definitely has these small space cafes and bistros as well. But EA always wants to go 50% and that 50% tends to be repetitive and boring. They never do anything different. And they don't really "go hard" on a theme.
They're very vanilla.
As for sizing... well... the cupcake machine, the BG telescope... I just don't think they care.
It’s not supposed to be a French bistro. It’s more like general American-fusion bar/grill. It looks like American Irish pub, American style bistro, and American Italian restaurant mixed together
Edit: you guys should know by now that this game is 90% west coast America
Don't buy anything until EA fixes their game.
@@dd4850 people critique this kit by french standards bc both kits are obviously french-inspired. bistro is a french word, after all (from russian origin). but yeah, sims 4 is america simulator. just sucks they won't expand their horizons and be even a lil ambitious.
You’re the only simmer I can trust to give honest reviews.
I know right? Everyone else (cough cough lilsimsie) is bought and paid for by EA
I completely agree with you. Satch isn't in EA's pocket. I'm so glad I found his channel, I was getting really sick of the other big names being fake.
Not LilSimsies?
It would be better if he actually got the information correct though. Saying that the drinks tray in Riviera Retreat kit is just decorative is one example that immediately springs to mind. His reviews are opinion, sprinkled with speculation and outright false information (which he would know if he actually played with the packs before recording his reviews)
Hi, thank you for keeping it honest. Been watching and lurking in the background for a while 😂. You don't get enough credit as a youtuber
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😭 sorry snatch is hilarious
I absolutely agree! Satch is the true, strict but fair RUclipsr who should get more credit for his honesty🥳😊
"It pisses me off yes it does" Very descriptive and relatable when it comes to EA and choices made by them 😂
Your idea for a gelato bar would have been WONDERFUL because I've been really wanting to put an ice cream shop in my game. But then... that would make Cool Kitchen Stuff obsolete so of course it didn't happen.
Satch, the two-tile tables slot with the dining booth, I noticed the Party Essentials table actually lowkey matches! Also, that menu board is supposed to be placed outside by the door 😂
So you’re saying they divided a set to make two separate packs (again)?
@@emily408 no, its not evidence of a divided set just because two items might go well together. are you looking at whats in the two kits 💀 they obviously don't quite combine to make one joint theme
yeah came to say the same.
Oh, the dlc of dlc? Again? Wow😂
The pub table that comes with Get Together works really well too!
6:00 I do get annoyed with this as well, same with the doors and windows. If you give us wall heights, make sure all objects can work across all wall heights. If you introduce rounded walls, make sure to keep introducing window that fit them. This isn’t difficult and I can’t believe people make excuses for it.
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I mainly play small walled (I like things sim height only), so I can't complain too much about it. However, I agree that every window, door, arch, light, and curtain NEEDS to be introduced with all wall heights because it's lazy not to.
Anything that hangs from the ceiling as well as curtains, doors and windows should be in ALL 3 wall heights, I've never understood why they are so resistant to that!
I actually think both kits are nice. Rivera Retreat fits really well in desert worlds and you could do a lot with the bistro kit besides Bistros and the items are quality for there limited number. But I am not buying right now and basically just like EA discouraged me from further pack purchases with the shopping cart, they’ve some the same with the timed events. I think both kits are good actually, but not the time.
Hello. Thank you for the honest reviews on both kits.❤❤
how convenient a kit about cute dates comes out right before an expansion about romance
Well, in the official Sims roadmap it literally says something along the lines of "2 romantic kits and 1 flirty expansion pack" so I do believe that was the intent.
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I got so excited seeing the Sims 3 Bistro. Decorating sims 3 rabbit holes is a fun idea.
This pack seems alright as an accessory to Dine Out, if you like building. I think thats about it, though. The pool kit, I dont really understand
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So as this is a kit only I dont expect it to work as Dine out with an actual chef and waiters etc. But since it is a BISTRO it would be he nice if this was the one bar object that served a few meals not just drinks??
I guess it's just me...I'm quite unimpressed. I haven't seen anything that just really stands out in either of the new kits.
Is it just me or the dining chairs look odd like idk just like not something that matches the games mesh style
This kit is like bar in 1920' to be honest. Doesn't look like bistro to me. Bit fancy aswell. That's the vibe I am getting personaly from this kit. Too bad for ea that my disappointment is immeasurable and I am not buying their stupid products anymore because I would get this one.
Does this mean a _Dine Out_ fix is finally coming?
i sure hope so. It’d be nice to have my 50s diner actually working after all the time I spent building it
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its not good lol
OMG, it looks just like the bistros in Sims 3, how awesome! If I were still playing Sims 4, which I'm not, I would drop everything to download that lot just for the nostalgia
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Is anyone having optical illusion with that floor
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Help, am I the only one whose gallery doesn’t work?? After updating the game I keep getting red x’s on everything there. I tried restarting my computer, turning off antivirus but nothing has been working
It looks like there's something wrong with the divider. It's meant to separate booths, not freestanding dining tables. Why didn't they give players booths that would fit correctly inside them? It makes no sense.
It doesn't make any sense which means for this game, it makes total sense they would do it 🙄
@@kimberlyjeanne9456 LMAO
the chairs back is literally the same as the chair from paranormal stuff xD
Tablecloth tables are really not typically seen outdoors. At least over in the State. It’s for inside and the doors are inside too.