How INTPs CLASH with the 16 Personalities
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I agree with your opinion on INTPs desiring routine and stability. Even though we love possibilities and the uncertainty of the future captivates us, we also want to live our lives in peace where we go at our own pace
Yes, you want your base life to run with a minimum of hassle so you are free to think about the big stuff freely.
It's not really routine or stability in the classic sense tho, like a family and a 9 to 5 job. It's mostly a basic low maintenance and predictable lifestyle. To me it means working remotely via internet without a rigid schedule but with fixed tasks, a decent payment and a predictable outcome (so i'm not tied to any location or time of the day and can move freely (or sleep as much as I want hehehe) but still have enough money to live comfortably) and my own appartment in a quiet place but nearby all the necessary services (so I'll always have a peaceful home to come back to). To me it's perfect when I can go on an adventure almost anytime but after the adventure is over I can go back to my comfort space. A classic 9 to 5 job sounds hellish to me, I hate being physically tied to a place. But classic freelace where you search for new tasks everytime also sounds horrible, I want everything about my finances to be as predictable and simple as possible.
I feel like it's inxp's nature - to want a life where they can establish their own personalized routine and regime. Because I used to forever clash with time when I was still in school/college. I was constantly late for classes, or just skipped them at all. Because if I don't want to do something - I'm not gonna do it. If I feel like researching something right here right now - that's what I'm doing. And the need to go to school to do a completely different thing would always make me soooo miserable, omg.
As an INTP myself I’d say that I have and value my routines, although i can’t stand monotony😉
@@abracadabra8033Exactly. They're not exclusive to each other, anyway. Like finishing an assessment like usual but today we want to do it in another way, but still hoping that the result would be just the same as yesterday and not suddenly go drastically up or down.
I want to go home in different way and maybe getting lost a bit, but still arrive at my home safe and secure like always. I dunno, I hope I worded them right, lol.
Uncertainty is fascinating…in theory.
0:06 ESTP
1:06 ISTP
2:11 INFJ
3:09 ENFJ
3:57 ENTP
4:54 ISFJ
5:39 ESFJ
6:28 ENTJ
7:26 ISFP
8:05 ESFP
8:57 ENFP
9:50 ISTJ
10:49 ESTJ
11:29 INTJ
12:30 INFP
Goodness thank you
That's only 15.
Guess my MBTI :D
One of my closest friends happens to be an INTP, and I love listening to him babble on about theoretical concepts, as well as his opinions on various theories.
Just curious, what type are you?
"its practical in theory" ... i love it 🤣🤣
(INTJ) My INTP twin brother and I often clash in expansion and contraction. Where one wants to keep expanding, the other wants to contract, and vice-versa. One immediate example that springs to mind is when we're writing musical tracks. While my brother keeps wanting to jam out new material, I keep wanting to finish existing songs. He writes a zillion tracks that are ninety seconds long, I write a few that are seven minutes long.
(INTP) As an (amateur) musician, I completely relate. I have like several unfinished 90ish second tracks but I only somewhat finish something if I'm working with someone else.
@@apep.42Do you find it difficult when the other person wants to finish a track instead of jamming new stuff?
@@johnknight9150 most of the time, yeah. with the exception of times when I'm just really in the zone. but in both cases i usually do it anyway.
Insightful! So I'm not the only INTP with 80 song idea snippets in my recording app! 😅
ESTJ w/ INTP son - I really have to convince him that I am not pointing out that his homework is late, his room is a mess, he has ketchup in his hair, etc. , to oppress him but because I am trying to help him, lol. I have learned to explain conceptually why he should do x tihng and then leave him alone to internalize it and then he will do it himself. I also try not to interrupt him when he is in withdrawn mode. He's very wary of accepting my endless stream of life experience and anecdotes and quotes from books he hasn't read, he wants to test for himself. I hand him the book instead of explaining it to him myself. He's much more endearing than I am, fortunately.
The important part is for the rules you impose on him to make it matter to /him/. Sometimes, yes there is ketchup in our hair, but the minor inconvenience of it looking weird or feeling sticky isn't worth the effort of cleaning it up. Or I would think "I really don't want wet hair right now, it's cold"
I think you are doing it right. I am the INTP son of an ESTJ. Now in my 30s so many of the lesson I never really considered important have manifested into a cohesive whole, and I really understand what I was taught. I absolutely appreciate the TJ concrete decisive way of thinking and learning to adopt it served me very well.
This helped me realize what I need as a younger Intp that never really had this sorta understanding from parental figures thanks
@@suxiruy1the important part is not to make them rules, as he is an INTP there is no point on forcing him to do his homework as his school will anyway and it just doesn’t help as I didn’t learn anything from the homework as I didn’t enjoy it
I've never clashed more than with ESTJs. I think it's the hardest type for INTPs to get along with. They have all the traits that INTPs loath to deal with: they're rigidly attached to their way of thinking and living, they live at a pace that is too fast for INTPs and judge others for not living at the same pace, they favor action over understanding, they're bossy often to the point of bullying, and while they typically strive for fairness they're slow to recognize that justice/fairness requires making legitimate exceptions.
The worst jobs I've had were with ESTJ managers. After I got a degree in Computer Science and became a software engineer, one of the best perks was no longer having to deal with managers of this type (and it's probably the most common type in middle management). They all seem to have the same ridiculous cliches, like "arrive at 9am means arrive at 830am," "if you have time to lean you have time to clean," and other nonsense. Now I get to work in a community of far more reasonable people, we get way more done, and if I get a bad boss I just take my skills elsewhere anyways.
My grandfather is an ESTJ and we didn't get along when he was younger. And I say "when he was younger" because it took old age and becoming elderly to chill him out. I think the recognition that his years are short has finally detached him from getting rigidly precise outcomes and making the world in a very certain way. Or maybe he's just become wise to the value of detachment. In any case, old age has chilled him out and virtually everyone that knows him says he's much easier to get along with. Even though we don't extensively share interests, I do make a concerted effort to connect with him in a way he can understand (college football, investing, and our mutual interest in our family seem to be our common topics) while moderating the amount of time we spend together. As a result our relationship is quite pleasant now and I look forward to seeing him...but hooboy if his judgmentalism and need to control everything didn't take its toll earlier in life.
I'm glad you had a chance to relate to your grandad. I agree ESTJs are the worst (micro) managers and aren't comfortable unless the people beneath them have PTSD. Mine would call me at home during the pandemic 10 times a day to 'check up' on what I was working on and screamed at me if I asked her any questions. It was horrible.
Oddly she was the one making huge stuff ups and was barely contrite about it, citing 'human error'. Good riddance!
I agree. ESTJs and ISTJs are some of the hardest types to work with for me personally (an INTP)
I’m an INTP and my mom is ESTJ :/
Well... I am an INTP who is married to an ESTJ. We clashed a lot. Still do sometimes. But we allways learn from it. It is challenging, but i think it prepared us to being able to deal with almost anything.
@@leonardosulczinski2001 wow that's impressive. I'm an INTP married to an ESFP and I thought that was really difficult.
Each personality type has particular difficulties with some others, but INTPs dig so deep that they can identify and raise issues with *any* personality type, no matter how adorable they are. Analysis powa! 😎
INFJ here. There is something about Fe that makes me conflict-averse and emphasising too much on harmony. Both my INTP and INTJ friends often tell me to be direct about the truth during arguments or that I don't have to signify the other views if I'd be in a disadvantage position, because being blunt is a more effective approach. They remind me that my own diplomacy can take an emotional toll on myself sometimes. This was more awkward if my view clashed with them, but I digressed talking about that topic when it started to get heated, my Fe can't.
Same for me to as an INFJ. I agree with you completely.😂
But has being blunt actually been more effective for them or did it just make them feel superior? In my experience you can't win an argument if your goal is to change you opponents mind, changing another's mind can be done in a discussion but the second you escalate it to the oppositional form of an augment you lose, since no matter how solid your logic or clear your evidence they won't allow themselves to accept it and therefore lose. As far as I can tell the only use for an argument is to convince onlookers whilst making the person you are arguing with hate you.
Some of this may be useful to them in making sure they know what their goal in an interaction is and being mindful of how to get there, look better than their opponent? argue away. Change the other person's thoughts or behaviours? Perhaps better to sneak those ideas in by a side door rather than banging drums and screaming war cries as they lay siege to the fortress.
Theoretically an INTP here if that helps.
Imagine thinking about Jesus, Gandhi or any other INFJ (most which are typed in different categories) as conflict-averse. Even as a kid, Jesus would start talking with older people, considered experts at the time and challenge their views. Gandhi was a successful lawyer before he decided to leave it all and fight for social change. Harmony doesn’t equal conflict-averse. It is very much so proactive in that area of harmony. But nothing is ever dictated by it since it is only an auxiliary functions that helps break the combo between abstract and logical reasoning that would otherwise go in a loop.
@@solarisan_ you are right, however, I found that certain conflicts can be mentally draining. Unless they are a good catalyst of change and/or the other person can handle conflict maturely or pretty well. Embracing conflict can be quite healthy. On default mode however, I opt to avoid it as it could be draining when it ends up in drama...
@@solarisan_ imaging typing fucking jesus
I’m an INTP and my boyfriend is ESFJ. We do clash in a lot of ways but I think I’m better for it. It amazes me how he always notices the details, what other people care about and how they feel. It makes him a great partner. He always notices small things like if I change my hair or do my makeup different. He knows immediately if I am upset about something, which is helpful because I often have a hard expressing myself. His social skills really seem like a superpower to me. Main thing we get in fights over is decision making. If we’re planning something he gets stressed when I make up too many options, but I don’t like feeling boxed in by having a set plan, and it’s literally impossible for me to make a decision on the spot like he can.
Similar case her. INTP with an ESTJ wife. Challenging for both of us sometimes, but worth it.
My wive is esfj. It's a nice pairing but sometimes I lack depth and I cant understand the obsession over details. But it works very well.
That was only 15 personalities. INTP vs INTP is not included. Title should be "How INTP's clash with the other 15 personalities".
-an INTP
Lol
Yes you are true INTP. I just realized after reading your comment he mentioned 15 types only not inpe vs intp. By the way I'm intp too and drunk 😂
As a fellow INTP, I had this same thought and wanted to validate you as one of us
It’s because we don’t clash, we just explain our sides each logically and then agree that it’s perfectly logical reasoning and go about our days.
I recall that when I was a much younger and immature INTP, I used to avoid my type as if they were the black plague. I know now that I knew at least unconsciously that I often saw myself in them, and was repulsed by the things I least liked about myself in them. Now as I learned to be more self aware and learned to accept myself, I know greatly enjoy the company of my fellow INTP’s.
Let’s pause and appreciate the thumbnail!
The INTP as Neo.. Brilliant 😆
as INTP:
NT types are the most fun to have in depth discussion with because theyre open minded to weird ideas but theyre still grounded in logic.
NF types are the most fun to hang out with because theyre the most quirky and adorable.
ST types are the best to discuss projects with because theyre the best executors, no bullshit types.
SF types feel like aliens to me 🤣
Jokes on you, I am the one with the popcorn.
My inner INTP is constantly clashing with my inner INFP 😂
Haha, you described some of my INFP-INTP conversations. I just smiled: "Yes, you are 100% corrent, I just don't care to be logical all the time"
The ESTJ conflict is truth. I cannot stand when one is my boss, I get so much less done than if they just left me alone
Too true. I like the INTPs I know as they can be kind and very curious, which I like in a general sense. But when it comes down to getting down to business as an ISFJ, I need what is practical and will work on the ground at that moment - theoretical doesn't cut it. That being said, I have gotten some good general advice from INTPs and I think I work and get along with the INTPs I know pretty well.
For all the criticisms I have with many of the theories underpinning the content on this channel, this is another example of when the proverbial nail is squarely and solidly, whacked!
Excellent job. Every one of the types I have some confidence in my understanding of, was superbly summarised here in the interactions.
🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
I'm an INTP, and it's always interesting to watch videos about how the other types function in comparison. I'm going to find something else to focus on now.
I'd call my life a sea of instability with a stable island in the center.
I can only do what I wanna do in the moment, so everyday is a new story. But I want EVERYTHING about my physical well-being to be as predictable as possible, all of my needs should be covered, I should feel no anxiety about money, food and a roof above my head. But I would never want to spend 8-10 hours on a job that would pin me down to one location. So I work remotely on myself, spending around 3-5 hours a day with a decent payment.
I always dreamed of traveling to different cities and countries. I want to visit as many places as possible, to experience the hustle and bustle of life, to stay at one place and then move to the other. But I would never wanna live without a fixed residence. On top of that, I would never wanna live somewhere with a lot of hustle and bustle. I want to have a quiet home in some peaceful place, my comfort zone I can always return to.
Plans are a whole different topic. I hate making short-term plans, I NEVER accomplish them, cuz when the time comes I don't care about them anymore. But I get extremely lost in life without long-term planning. Like, I wanna just do whatever I feel like doing at any given moment but then when the high of impulsive fun goes away I want to just take a look at my long-term plan and be like "Oh, right, that's what I NEED to do, k, let's do that now", lol.
This is a great comment. Much of this lines up with what I'd expect from someone who is truly an INTP. Long term planning can be an issue yes. It can be better for INTPs to think more in terms of principles for how they live rather than mapping things out with specific actions and time bound plans ~ Nathan
100% me
As someone who was consistently getting the intp result for a few years but then started getting intj, I can say that I keep the "gardener" mindset for my interest in philosophy, but had to adopt an "architect" mindset for my pursuits in natural sciences and life goals in general. Otherwise nothing will ever get done.
Real strong INTP here, lmao seeing some of these people in the comments calling themselves 1, but are still filled with a boatload of emotion. The world is black and white, hence the yin and the yang. Emotions and feelings are what blur the line.
yay, I'm an INTP...probably not a very good one. I should be running the world...but my cave will do...for now...
I appreciate the video ...love and gratitude to all INTPs....work on your weaknesses to be a better INTP...
Dear, Leave this part to Entj and Intj, our role (The INTPs ) is to be the devil or the angel in their ear, giving them information so that their plans really work outside the idealistic bubble and the Repressed/misunderstood feelings.
😎😎😎😎
Anyway, we have a great capacity to always become better in many areas, so probably the feeling of not being a "good intp" or of “I should be better” will never go away. Live your life regardless of this feeling, huh?
No INTP seeks to run the world although we may dream of it from time to time. Too much work and administrative hassle. We seek to understand the world from our caves. You are totally in the club. Of course we don't meet but there is a club in theory.
@@bearclaw5115 So we're making a club like clubs should be 🤡🤡🤡
@bearclaw5115 "Of course, there's no club, but we meet in theory" has got to be my favorite thing I heard today
@@bearclaw5115 I'm more interested in foiling other people's plans to run the world because they are doing a really crappy job
A great podcast Nathan! As an INTP myself, I can always sense my own type. 😇
I'm still yet to meet an INTP in real life but very keen to meet one. Unless I'm missing cues somehow
Other INTPs I meet in person always meet me later in my dreams
@@seetsamolapo5600 You need to get out more. The only time I go out is when I am injured or sick, either due to being clumsy or as the result of a clash. Unfortunately I've had a lot of clashes lately. I've met a few INTP doctors and coders but that's all.
@@seetsamolapo5600 I met four INTP’s in my whole life time, but I am already in my 50’s. Only one of them is a female.
@@sylviaowega3839 is there a formula maybe you've derived for meeting them? Just got into my early 30s and only know myself besides online people. I can't wait for another 20 years 😂. I'm just interested in how I'd perceive one in real life. My favourite I've met in real life are INFJs or rather all the Fe Doms and Aux
Theoretically I understand the world runs better with all 16 types due to differing areas of strength and specialties. I respect that. In reality I just want to live along and only deal with ppl who are potentially the other 15 types occasionally. Distance creates fondness is a personal truth I live by.
love it! make one for ENTP, please!
My bestie is an INTP & he often doesn't understand what he calls my (infj) 'kitten mittening' of people. Believe me, I'd love nothing more than to always 'give it to them straight'. However in my experience, that can backfire as much as kitten mittening. The thing is I'm always looking at the long game- not the immediate one (another infj problem me thinks😆). BUT yes, having enough respect for someone's intellect/ego to handle the 'straight' usually plays into my decision to give it or not. So if I've underestimated- then it can lead to problems. Because intellectually & emotionally savvy people usually figure out that's what I've done & it's a hard thing for a relationship to recover from.
Friday is officially better. Thanks for the video!
INTP vs INTP would have been good to analyse too! My partner and I are both INTPs, and there is a lot to be said about the proverbial schlong-measuring contests that can happen between people with the same cognitive priority stack and similar intellect, but slightly different skills and opinions. Especially for young or immature INTPs, who over-represent terminally online trolls that want to fight with anyone and everyone like underdeveloped ENTPs, coming up against someone who knows all your tricks as well as you do can make for some spicy clashes.
As an INTP that's been absorbing cognitive function stuff for a few years now, I've found, curiously, that in getting enough of a handle on the whole system to be able to figure out what two functions someone is slamming me with the most and subsequently figuring out what type they likely are, I don't have a whole lot of clashes. If someone's being obnoxious I'll tap out, but on the whole the whole cognitive function thing has helped me get to the point I can basically get along with anyone. The nerdier the better, but hey, I'm just as happy letting an Fi bleed their heart out and calling it a bonding moment.
If anything I reckon it's observers I'll find more challenging to get on with. Their lack of insight (having just one primary way of viewing the world) frustrates me, and the conspiratorial nature of where it can sometimes lead is head-wrecking. Other deciders just look stubborn/bullheaded to me if they're immature, but usually have enough of a balance in their observers that at least they're not buying into nonsense, just being selfish.
Damn, the last one re: INFPs was so perfectly explained. It absolutely is a case of “okay, your observation is valid, and that’s why you should be applying it into those several other contexts you’ve mentioned previously. Make the rule apply across the board!”
Odd, I really only remember observing the whole "being quick to make a conclusion and overlooking due nuance" thing Te types rather than Se preferers. Se is just as exploratory as Ne, just in a different realm. I think we have a mutual extroverted perceiving function understanding, if that makes sense. It's a sort of "that's cool, I'll give you the moment to do your thing and we can do mine in a bit" vibe. I think the best way to give an example of Te going a bit too fast would be my family's worries about Ai taking over everything. They're like "it can think for itself, so what if it figures out how to rewrite its programming?" That's an argument that gets the end result if ai operating: coming to a decision, but completely overlooking the proceas by which it gets there. It needs base perameters, is still pretty dumb, and nobody is going to put an ai behind something like a turret, at least without a human finalizing every firing decision. Ai ethics is an entire field, and yet they don't care because "it can think for itself." Te sees what, but sort of disregards how. If anything, INTP and ISTP clash in a similar way to how INTP does with ESFP: INTP is willing to entertain more in the abstract realm than ISTP is willing to follow. This seems less about them jumping to a conclusion and more about not caring enough to get so anstract. This was a real roundabout way to say that I don't think ISTPs jump to conclusions, just that they won't go to the same lengths to answer some questions, and that description of ISTP better fits my experience with ENTJ. That's Ne for you.
-INTP
Thank you for this!
That's really interesting!
I'm very much like your family, very quick to dismiss AI as a terrible idea that we should stay well away from. But I'm an enfp. My intp husband gets frustrated with me, because for him, he's just trying to share this "wow, how cool is this!? I read an article that says xyz advances in technology" but my immediate reaction goes to "what's the matter with these people, have they never read dystopian fiction/watched Jurrasic Park?!?!??" And when I bite back my true feelings to try to be just interested in the actual item under discussion, the best I can do is to nod and say "mmmm!" But my face tells the story, even to my intp who isn't great at reading faces.😅
I think it's a combination of my Fi values tending towards Luddite and my Te trying to find some sort of practical use for it, and together they overpower the Ne interest in everything, and instead my Ne goes wild coming up with worst case scenarios, with the Si whispering in the back "what would Grandma think about this?"
Oh this is a good series. Dont stop this one
Friday and INTP content (thumb up from me) 👍
The conflict I tend to have with ISFJs is boredom. ISFJs often are just boring to me. They seem to be interested in things I find mundane and boring. I seem to be interested in things they find highfallutin and academic.
There’re so many more levels to our existence & why we’re attracted or repelled by others. Few in the West are taught in the beliefs or tenets outside of Christianity, yet the possibilities that coexist within reincarnation, inter-dimensions, & our present-day 3D skin suit are endlessly fascinating. There will never be one right answer for everyone to follow, any more than any one of us lives or thinks & feels exactly like another.
Anyway, carry on! 😉
INFJ here, and my INTP friend definitely gives the information straight and the point. Thanks for making this awesome video!
I'm a female who pretty consistently tests as INTP, and also identify with that type the most.
I love that you compared me to the Doctor (but hopefully not to any starting with Whittaker's run).
And the gardener is actually kunda how i write. Thank god for editing, because i can neither write nor conceive of ideas in a "linear" matter.
Also, I detest micromanagers. I'm perfectly capable of self directing. In a work place, tge people who can't self direct - the ones that always need to have a task assigned or always need direct supervision both badfle me and annoy me.
INTPs make the most thorough and dangerous long term obviators.
Until they realized that after a longggggggg thought it wasn't worth doing anything... I always feel that way
As an ENTP that rides the line between INTP and ENTP I also related to this a lot.
Love your clash with the "CLASH"! 🙂 I have a question about criminal types and MB types. I used to work with someone who was an ESTP. He later turned out to also be a malignant narcissist. Are there certain MBTI types that are regularly found to be not always, let's just say, on the side of the angels? I really loved this video, and thanks so much for keeping us up to speed on this most fascinating topic!
I'm excited for the entp one for sure!
13:21 logic can be objective, but isn't always universal-rather, rationality is.
there are no final solutions
I really like ENTJs as n INTP
I admire their ability to make ends meet on a consistent basis
Thank you! I’m trying sooo hard to be better but it seems everyone’s against me typically lol, appreciate this vid so much as an intp!
Another great theme idea I can't wait to see the rest of :)
My brother-in-law is an INTP, and I'm an ISTJ. We can sometimes bond in highly logical conversations in a way others in my family cannot, but we do clash often, and we irritate each other. Some of it is in the weird details he thinks are relevant while competely disregarding important ones (I chalk this up to a Te vs Ti disagreement). I think more often we clash because in the middle of our very logical conversation, he'll suddenly hit an Fi brick wall in me, and I will no longer entertain his ideas. It seems to take him by surprise every time because my logic is usually more evident, until it isn't. He gets extremely irritated when this happens.
Exactly what happen with me and my ISTJ friend. We used to be really close, she is the one who approach me first. It seems I can't feed her need for Fi, what I suppose to do to be a good friend according to what she believe meanwhile I got really confused on why she got angry at me, Fi demon issue I think.
She is now being closer with bunch of Fis like INFPs, ESFPs and another Fis that could entertain and feed her Fi child better than me -INTP
@@nightystickgamer7143
Also INTP with an ISTJ dad here. 100% correct. We usually clash on details. I feel we’re coming from the same place, but then we’ll come to some disagreement, he’ll call my objections pedantic (partially fair). Or I’ll brush off some practical detail I think is unimportant, only for him to warn me of its importance (mostly fair).
I'm glad to know this is a common experience.
I’m an INTP and my mother was ISTJ, and we clashed a lot. We clash so much, because she was so stuck on rules and the old tradition, whilst she would get so irritating each time I would discuss about scientific theories and get very philosophical.
@@daisydaisy246That would make sense as an INTP whom had an ISTJ mother, whom was never too fond of me, or even made any effort to establish any kind of mother-daughter relationship.
Intj and intp are more like the mastermind and the architect. INTJs are not architects, they make plans to apply over time to take advantage of their circumstances. INTPs construct logical blueprints to WITHSTAND time.
It's more like
Batman (INTJ) and Lucius Fox (INTP)
I (ISTP) had a real falling out with an old INTP friend. He was really vengeful and caused a lot of interpersonal drama and thought he was always being rational while doing so. He could not get out of black and white thinking; he’s a mathematician, he lives in a world of epistemological certainty, and in other contexts he either thought he had derived the right answer or he was painfully awkward otherwise.
Yes, my ex is ISTP and resents his INTP father for 'being different', too sentimental in his own world and taking forever to finish anything. My only advice is, live and let live, ISTPs hate people puzzles they cannot solve and can become very suspicious even if the other type fully means well (and wants to love them!)
@@olivia-performanceartist3693He would hold grudges and fixate on people he thought had wronged him. I tried to be a good friend while he was going through a divorce but he ignored all advice and made life difficult for himself and his ex and a lot of people in their lives. I tried to stick with him until I concluded he's just not a good person to have in my life.
That was excellent, thank you.
The clash between intps and intjs is word by word a situation i intp recently had with my bestie intj he wanted to write a paper and i fell in love with the idea but i have been enjoying reading and consuming info and the project fell apart 😢
As INTP I love ExSPs. I see the potential in them to help me with my Se trickster. But yes, they can be very pushy.
This one contained some priceless gems, Nathan! As an INFP with strong intellectual interests, I LOVE INTPs. However, getting them to understand that the mind of God probably functions on more than logic is an impossible accomplishment.
INTP here, why would God need anything, but logic?
As I said, I love INTPs!
Doesn’t need anything
Just functions onmore
I am glad to know how much you love us INTP’s, as my feelings about INFP’s are mutual. I just finished watching this CS Joseph video about how much he dislikes INFP’s.
I'm an INTP and I don't understand why anybody would argue against that. Please expand. Maybe I'm missing something
I am INTP who has a ESFJ friend and I don’t really think he is doing it all backwards. I just think that he cares too much about other people’s opinions and knows way too many people. I think the main point of clash is his high social punishment for acting weird but, you are 100% right about him trying to coax me into interpersonal realm.
We are both 16 which probably matters
Intps really are my favorite
How can I monetise this?
@@louisejoel lol sounds like an intp
If intp and enfp clash..... It's over
Yeah closest surrounding is doomed.
why
@@ItsMe-sg5ow low FE vs low TI.
Enfp is going to accuse intp of being insensitive ( why are you being such a dick?) and intp is going to accuse enfp of being logically inaccurate ( why are you spouting such nonsense?)
Speaking from personal experience here.
No it isn't. I always forgive the ENFP with their cute jokes
The ENFPs I've known mostly just had a mutual disinterest with me. Any interest that was there was just me being a male and had little to do with type. The shared Ne was just so displaced as far as mutual interests that there was nothing to connect on, and unlike their INFP cousins, they don't generally have the same contemplative nature that drives them to prioritize understanding over action. They also tend to share the same sort of arrogance that their Ne-primary cousins, ENTPs, have, which is the result of being an intuitive and having a sort of charisma that makes people constantly tell them how great and smart they are. Lastly, while INFPs are naturally very sensitive, after they've gotten to know me they recognize quickly that I'm almost never being harsh in my criticism, I'm simply very cerebral and trying to figure out what is true or best - and I'm often trying to convince myself of something as much as trying to convince others. Even though they're a very sensitive type, they generally learn, and pretty quickly, that I never intend to hurt and so don't take things so personally after they get to know me. ENFPs never seem to have the same understanding of me even after getting to know me.
While I think this video's explanation of where INFPs and INTPs clash is accurate, I think the same principle applies to ENFPs, and even more so, because INFPs in their calmer moments, which are common, are at least able to enter a contemplative frame of mind and see where, indeed, an INTP's generalizing principles are actually for the best because they solve the most conflicts among the widest community of people with conflicting interests...and then even competently challenge those principles with counterexamples. ENFPs are far more likely to have an arrogance that leads to them using dishonest means to dismiss an INTP (like ridicule) and are more likely to be biased toward a community that has fed them some sort of narcissistic supply.
Now, I'm unintentionally painting ENFPs in a really negative light here, and generalizing very heavily. I recognize that. Clearly, ENFPs are not all narcissists or arrogant. It's only that such traits are a greater danger for ENFPs than INFPs given their natural charisma and the ease at which ENFPs find social approval compared to INFPs, and this leads to this specific form of clash with an INTP who wants to universalize a principle without bias toward some particular view or community and instead finds themselves running up against tribalism and accusations of being too academic and uncaring.
I'm an INFP however I tend to prefer making decisions with Objective Logic so I get on with most INTPs quite well.
Preferring to make decisions based on Objective Logic is the definition of a thinking type
@@victoriabugado6272turbulent infps use their inferior thinking (I hate how that sounds) very often
Turbulent is not actually part of the MBTI system. Turbulent and assertive are part of the Big Five personality test which started using the MBTI letters because they are popular.
There are a lot of personality systems out there, and many of them are valid. I believe that the human personality is too complex to be described by one system. Each of these systems describes a different aspect of the personality.
In the MBTI system, an INFP can certainly use objective decision making criteria, and they often will. However, their *preferred* judging function is introverted feeling, which can be logical, but is by definition subjective.@@dedmu5793
@@dedmu5793 You are correct, that's why is useful to use the enneagram. There's 4 main types of INFPs: 9w1, 9w8, 4w5 and 4w3. Fours tend to value logic more than nines.
Being trained in a Ti environement, I try to be a 'concrete universal'. Yet, funnily enough, my INTP friend sometimes remarks about what I say: 'but that could change!'
'And that's ok,' I reply. :p
Oh, for reference: I'm an INFP.
As INTP... I know that INTP's can get stuck on random stuff, sometimes not of their choosing, they try to constantly think about stuff no matter how much low iq they are it is just in their nature. For example yesterday/ doday ... as it was around midnigt got me thinking...
That I unconciously try to choose not awailable people, I don't know why I would say that it is something that my brain is used to so it constantly tryes to in some cases undermine you just to stay on its path. Because it was conversation about other people and I as right edgelord said something about people with basically stems from my trust issues.
But thats not that important, what is more important is that I basically kinda ignored the good, like not that I didn't acknowledge good deeds, it is more like I know people do it, yet I choose not to trust them with it, I mean it is not like my life is riddlet with bad people. Maybe I am just choosing bad people, but to be honest it takes experience, look most of the people has this weird instinct that will tell them "yeah I don't really want to be with that person" but some people have it little bit twisted UNLESS they encounter new experience (that couldhave to be repeated maybe several times even) to actually teach the person that "yeah that person is weird go away".
What if... clashes go more from this, than acctually mbti typing,, alto I kinda agree with some :D
I’ve been told I’m overly detached ;-;
My brother-in-law is an INTP, and yes, he seems very detached.
As an ENFP who has dated several(one might even say collected) INTPs, you learn that you are the wisest idiot. They see the ENFP chaos cloud and just wish they could focus all that energy on their chosen area. In a way they are hoping some of that useful chaos will rub off on them while we hope we become a little less idiotic than we were the previous day and it often works out...with the occasional tear or frustrated grunt😂
Love your work keep doing !
an isfj
ESTPs... No clash (well, not since high school). Buy 'em a beer and let 'em tell their stories and jokes. If possible, smile and laugh at appropriate times.
ISTPs... No clash. Buy 'em a beer and let 'em fix the problem however they see fit. Work alternative solutions into your discussion of the problem, and give them a good-natured "I told you so" if it blows up their face, but also give credit where credit is due when they get the job done successfully... and don't miss an opportunity to learn their tricks and techniques.
ESFJs and ISFJs... No clash. Just gotta bear their need to be sociable, tidy and responsible... which usually means limiting contact.
ESTJs, ISTJs, ESFPs, ISFPs... No clash. We live in totally different worlds and rarely interact on any level worth clashing over.
ENTJs and INTJs... No clash. I'll do whatever minion-y work you need done, so long as the price is right.
ENFJs and INFJs... I've known so few, and it's been so long since I spoke with one... but I don't recall any clashes, other than in middle school, when Mrs DeRubertis would patiently try to persuade and motivate me to actually do my homework, and I only very rarely complied... but I tested better than anyone else in the class, so she couldn't be TOO upset with me.
ENTPs... No clash. Disagreements, and long-suffering, sideways looks when they make absurd statements, but no clashes.
ENFPs and INFPs... Rarely a clash, but when they decide their Fi trumps my Ti, one of us is probably going to have their feelings hurt... and it's not likely to be me.
-- INTP
I needed this kind of advice when I was young. You could write an INTP specific "Squatters Guide to the Planet Earth"
My sister is an ISFJ, and that was spot on
The most successful band on the planet at the moment, BTS, has an interesting MBTI mix that includes two INTPs. It's an interesting dynamic and one I would really like for you to review. You can see them interacting best in their Run BTS episodes.
As an ENFP, I would actually really appreciate getting a reality check from INTP. My brain’s that of a 5 year old kid, I need supervision lol
would making a series of videos discussing how/why all types clash and harmonize be something youd like to do mr. Nathan? cause i think this video was very interesting and i wonder about the opposite situations as well :)
I'm an NOT an ISFJ I was wrong. A lot of people incorrectly assume that I'm an INTP so I'm going to say whether I agree with these things are not.
ESTP - Yes. I know I'm not an ExxP because I get exhausted by Exxps lmao.
ISTP - I'm actually more so the ISTP in this situation. This one time I was confused on why someone would spend a ton of money on a basketball when they can get one that does the same thing for a lot cheaper, and my brother, who is an INFP, not an INTP but they both have second Ne, started listening all these reasons that I didn't think of, why someone might do something like that.
When it comes to figuring stuff out, I know what works and what doesn't, and I don't need to waste time trying out other possibilities when I just want to get the job done.
INFJ - I'm a little bit confused on this one, but I think from the gist of it, INTPs prefer when people give it to them straight rather than sugar coating it, and I agree. It's much more efficient and time saving.
ENFJ - No.
ENTP - Yes.
ISFJ - Lmao. Refer to the second part of the ISTP section.
ESFJ - No. I'm surprised INTPs are this focused on other people. I'm someone who is like, you do you, but if you come in and start affecting my life I'm going to knock you out before you have a chance to blink.
ENTJ - I'm kind of a mixed bag with this one. With some things, such as typology and people trying to type me, I don't think they have enough understanding of the system or who I am as a person.
However when it comes to getting stuff done, I'd rather not waste time going too in depth with learning about it. I'm also a very "learn things to use as a tool" sort of person.
I started learning about typology in order to understand people better.
Everything I learn, even if it seems useless, I have a reason for it.
ISFP - I clash A LOT with ISFPs (INFPs too)
ESFP - Not really. I've almost killed an ESFP's brain by bringing up a lot of Ne stuff that they couldn't grasp, but I have no issues with them. Most of the people I've dated have been ESFPs.
ENFP - INTPs out here sounding like a Karen. But I kind of understand, but in a different way. I don't like when people waste their potential. I have a friend who has amazing art skills, yet he refuses to do anything about it because he doesn't think that anyone will buy it, when I've told him that they will. People care a lot about supporting small artists, you find the right group and you can find someone who will pay to have a line drawn on a piece of paper.
He brings up all these other problems that he has, but instead of working on them, he spends time working on his art stuff, like if you're not going to help yourself by learning how to cook, cleaning up your house, working on losing weight, why not help yourself by monetizing what you like doing?
You got a talent? MONETIZE THAT SH*T!
ISTJ - I relate with the ISTJ in this scenario so much, I hate uncertainty and whenever someone pulls the rug out from under me it makes me want to wrap them up in that rug and throw them into the ocean.
What would an example of details in the abstract be?
ESTJ - I face this problem with my brother because I don't think he's making the best choices in choosing who is in charge of what. He expects his wife, who he knows has a bad memory, as well as being bad at math, to remind him of things, and to sort out the bills. He also expects her to do all that while cooking for him, washing his clothes, taking care of their kids, going to school, and working.
I tell them all the time that they should get me to remember stuff for them because that's what I'm good at and they aren't.
They don't utilize me though.
INTJ - I'm a bit balanced between these two, some I could relate to on the INTJ side and some I could relate to on the INTP side.
INFP - I don't clash with them on that, but I clash with them on their lack of attention to detail and getting upset because they fail to recognize that I'm joking. What's even worse are those people, who may be INFPs or may not, who really buy into the quote that
"every joke has a grain of truth"
so they think that every joke has a grain of truth even if it doesn't.
Honestly intuigeeks it's not that deep.
Did you type yourself as an ISFJ? I typed mysef incorrectly for years and am not certain I have it right but let's face it, most of us are far too nuanced to fit into 1 of 16 boxes, it's just a fun novelty to try
@@louisejoel Yes, but this was after years of research and getting feedback from other people, so it wasn't a split decision, and I'm still not 100% certain.
It's true that most of us are too nuanced to fit into just one box, and the main reason I enjoy typology is for the fun of learning about it, teaching people about it, and discussing it with other people.
What did you usually type yourself as?
@@nooneneedstoknowmyname Initially, I thought I was an INFJ, and according to Grant I am.
@@louisejoel That's cool, what's having dominant Ni like?
@@nooneneedstoknowmyname I'm an INTP MBTI, which means I am Ne dominant. I miss social cues that an INFJ would pick up on much sooner than I would. My intuition about people is usually spot on but can be delayed so isn't very useful.
Wow! Socionics concepts in an MBTI video? Cool but proceed with caution as the models are significantly different.
While I get your reinterpretation of GRRM's Architect versus Gardener comments on writing and how you mean it to apply to INTPs and INTJs, as an INTJ with a "Gardener" writing style, I can't help but be annoyed.
So now I'm going to digress upon that topic. GRRM's comments are about there being two writing styles. Your Architects are people who write plot-driven stories. They decided what the plot was, and if they need to bend and twist the characters out of shape to get to the predetermined ending, they will do so. Having a plot-driven style isn't all bad. There are other ways to keep a plot on track , and sometimes they'll pick one of those instead.
The Gardiner style is character-driven. You came up with a plot and developed characters to suit the plot, but as time has progressed, the characters have taken on a life of their own , and the story is morphing in your hands as you let characters make choices that are true to that character. The downside to this style is that you can lose sight of the plot and the story can turn into mush if you don't find character reasons for it to continue to drive forward.
I very much prefer reading character-driven stories and I write in a character-driven style. For me, it' really resonates better with my Fi component, as I empathize with characters trying to reach their goals, and enjoy seeing them solve their problems or fail to solve them due to character flaws in their own way. Me writing is an exercise in understanding what the character will do in certain situations, not what I think the best thing to do is or what I would do, but what they would do and why they would do it that way. What skill I have in writing comes from having worked hard to understand the people around me and how they work or fail to work, and trying to understand why they do what they do. This later helps me figure out how to get them to do what I want them to do when necessary.
exactly. he applies one field of knowledge in one context and applies it to an entirely unrelated one and calls it a valuable insight. thats not wisdom. hes just lego bricking smart sounding concepts together to sound smart... this channel is a cult...
Great content! Do ENFP next!!
Disappointed in this video. There is a missing personality type. When I first took the MBTI test, I got JERK. I thought something was off, so I retook the test and got INTP. Then, after reading the INTP description, I realized the first result of JERK was correct. 😂
Can you do ISTPs next?
Intp x entp friendships >>
I have known several ISFPs and they find Ti kinda...yucky 😮
I don't clash with my ESTP because I am 50 years older than he is, so we don't expect to do the same things or compete with each other.
All so very accurate. It’s definitely an Se thing, as the dog reference used for ESTPs can 100% be applied to my ESFP dad. Talk about being dragged around, he literally can’t stand to be alone. He has to be out in the social sphere, charming everyone he meets lol 😆.
Meanwhile, INTP being dragged around: flatlined 🫠.
Oh, and my ENFP friend calls me her “hermit friend”. Lol.
If you take George Lucas as Intp you can read the bad guys in Star Wars as antagonists of Intp. Emperor: Intj
Vader: Entj
Make esfp vs enfp!!!
Woa i loved that
What is his mbti?
Intp
9:44 I really hate this
Hilarious as always.
Please do more entp content! ❤
(or else....)
Nathan can you please say what is your own type?
I think he mentioned in the past that he ENTP. But I am not sure.
@@syuriychuk3782 there's no way he is an entp!
He's an INTP
@@exnihilonihilfit6316 where did he say that?
I'm an INTP, my partner is an infj, older brother is a istj, younger brother is an infp, my grandfather was a classic entp.... And yes this is how I clash(ed) with all of them
As an intj I think intps are more creative compared to me
Intp is built different
How do INTPs clash with each other?
We are our own greatest cheerer and hater, so the same things an INTP finds to be deficient in themselves, are the same things that would cause conflict among each other.
Are INTPs the only ones not biased by a goal?
you look like Robert De Niro :')
As an INFP I often find myself getting into disagreements with strangers online and the most intense debate often give off a very INTP vibe as they pick apart my statements and point out how I’ve changed my argument and otherwise point out all my logical inconsistencies. So I have learned to not attempt to debate them on those terms. I end up either trolling their Fe or using a Te-based argument to get under their skin while reminding them that Ti is not the only way to explain our reality and that’s when they get REALLY pissed off and start going off on me and just cursing obscenely and they end up getting banned when it was really all my fault for starting it. And yet I can’t stop. In person we get along just great though 😂😂😂.
yeah, as an INTP I've learned to bow out of debates where my opponent starts using anything but Ti based arguments. If I try to engage on any other level I get really stressed out.
@@hazelthomas1146 Yep, most people disagree with personal insults instead of a rational debate.
I'm an INTP. As I've done a lot of meditation and taken logic, in the form of using logic to analyze language and logic itself, to its furthest conclusion, I've come to recognize that Ti is mostly just clever language manipulation. I mostly agree with the later Wittgenstein that philosophy, and I'm using the term broadly to mean all the intellectual enterprises, are built on an (often useful) mistake.
While personal insults and Fe or Te-based arguments can be even worse because they're often deliberately biased, this core INTP belief I've held all my life that Ti-based arguments and rational debate is "superior" or "more fair" or whatever is just arrogance. It's all just language manipulation and none of it can get at the ultimate Truth of things, which is what INTPs are ultimately going for. The ultimate Truth of things is way more closely related to Se than Ti, as one cannot know anything outside of their immediate experience (ie, consciousness). Even memories and all forms of thinking are things appearing in immediate experience. If you want the Truth, just observe things as they are, right here.
@@saintsword23 You need Objectivism in your life. BIG time.
It should heal that epistemological (and probably ethical) skepticism, if you study it properly.
And yes, INTPs are notorious rationalists (not a compliment). What rationalism is, you'll understand when you read "Objectivism: The Philosophy of Ayn Rand" by Leonard Peikoff or "Understanding Objectivism".
@@exnihilonihilfit6316 I'm extremely familiar with Objectivism and most of the history of philosophy in the West as well as a great deal in the East. I reject it wholly for the same reasons I reject Thomas Reid and GE Moore: it's dogmatic. I also reject it on a more general note, in that it doesn't deal with the one absolute given, which is the fact that we know nothing outside of consciousness. Rand just accepts there's a real, external world and considers even questioning such a thing to be stupid (ie, the dogmatism mentioned above), but it's the absolute Truth that the current moment we experience in our senses is undeniable and everything else is a mental interpretation/language games, including the belief that the objects of our senses come from a real world.
I don't have epistemological skepticism anymore anyways. The experience of the senses is undeniable. The rest is language games. This is really obvious. It's not mystical or special in any way. The only reason no one accepts it is that they have mental baggage floating around everywhere.
I guess what I'm trying to say is I came to the end of philosophy and the end of language games in the context of Truth. The core ideas of Zen and what a Zen Roshi is trying to get you to look at (yourself/consciousness/*this* as it is here and now) are precisely it.
I know you’re trying to be positive, but I don’t really see any good side to my interactions with Se doms aside from generic “Hard things make you grow” Some personality types don’t mesh and there’s no reason to put a generic positive spin on that.
I got banned from the discord server and they didn't state a reason but I'm assuming it's because I discussed gender roles Omegalol, major L
Is Nathan an INTP?
According to him, yes. I agree, not that that matters.
- another INTP
@@Knuffle98 Thank you! I’m shocked I got a reply.
@@Knuffle98 e, really? What episode?
Isn't he ENTP?
Yes
As an INTP woman, finding out that I got my grandparents' genes and am abnormally strong has been a game-changer. I went to some thrift store, and some low life bitch tried to cut the line. So, I basically told her what she did and said that it was not the hill to die on. She backed off. I then took an extremely long time in the dressing room.
Okay, maybe I should have had "poise", but I actually really just don't give a fuck anymore. There's a lot that we filter for no reason. Like, if she wanted to play the victim, I would have just pointed out that she had the crazy eyes and needs a new pimp, but it can't be me.
Hey why clash? Just leave me alone...I have no competetion to offer.
I've always found it insulting to hold back on information when I'm trying to teach something to someone. To package something for them sounds extremely manipulative. I assume people are intelligent until proven otherwise.
Only God knows that the ESTJs are using me the wrong way....else I'd have 10x their profit by now.......or totally have destroyed them lol.
I have great respect for INTJs, they have one slight flaw btw. They can only create what they can imagine.
The older I get I realise INTPs are particularly the most unique and special of all types. We will always be misunderstood and our job is to be the leaders of thought but we are too overwhelmed by the task of educating drones. It's best to be rich and ignore the mouth breathers.
It's only recently that I've come to see that what's best is to recognize Ti is just clever language manipulation and it can't actually lead me to the Truth, which is what I ultimately want. And no, this isn't a religious spiel. There's just an end that rationality reaches when examining itself and sees its own limits.
Since I've recognized this, I have found myself far more chill. I recognize that the idea that rationality/Ti is somehow a superior way of manipulating language than the emotional way was always just my own ego just as much as people who use the emotional way's approach was their own ego. They're overly sensitive and personal, I'm arrogant and self-righteous.
Every intuitive feels misunderstood, but the latter part of your comment is just rampant arrogance lol. Being an INTP doesn't make someone enlightened - some of the most disastrous and awful philosophies have come from INTPs, e.g. Descartes.
@@EresirThe1st How is Descartes' philosophy disastrous?
Are you an INTP?
I don't know if he's said it in any video, but yes, I think Nathan is INTP.
I know people like to say that he's INTJ, but he's talked about an INTJ friend of his as an example in stories before, and he said that he could bring some Fe that the INTJ didn't have, showing that he might have _some_ Fe even if it's lower.
Plus almost all his series start with the INTP, maybe because it's the type he knows the best himself. :p
It's just my hypothesis though
I think he said he is an ISTJ. I was blown away by that. I, too, thought he was a INTP.
Yes
@@julieolson1402the test he did said he was ISTJ but it was inaccurate.. he’s an INTP
As ENTP, i fully agree. It is a blast man.
However, funnily enough, i see INTP's also with my diles turned to 11. Just the opposite way. WHERE DAFUC IS YOUR GAME? THERE IS NO GAME! Weirdly, i feel like i have no game when i have rizz. It doesn't feel like me being me. Then again who gives a shit! Also man Si is restrictive. Also necessary - working on that - but also not fun. COME ON, join the Ne Club. There is this weird aspiration of the Ti to be more INTP. Then i hear about depression and i'm like Nope, not for me. I suck at life, but i at least have fun while i'm at it.
Oppenheimer had as comment that he couldn't fucking sit still enough as an INTP to do the calculations precisely. He was accurate and everything was true, but nothing was precise. Now dile that to 100, and you have got someone who sucks at school, but does no quite a lot about maps. And luckily, life is a map.
I believe I'm an intp. I always see entp as my autopilot. Like in the video about the car driving blind folded and going too fast. I don't hate the idea that entp has. I'll forget about driving my own car and jump into entp's car. It's easier that way, right?
What personality is a hacker cyberstalker? Ive been stalked since 2020.