Trust me, it is worth waiting, and also if you struggle to find what you want to do in life, ending education proces will help you with it too. But than remember to push throu and actualy do what you decided to do. Good luck ;)
Is that true for INFP as well? I find many INFP are quite likely to finish higher education (ex. masters) because they want to prove their Te. After getting out of school they realize how useless education was for them and start using Ne more to explore more interesting topics. So an older INFP tends to be incredibly intellectual, when Fi is managed correctly, because they have both the educational Te backing as well as Ne exploration granting them many valuable insights in vastly differing topics.
I hated it I purposely did half my classes projects in my Art class because I didn’t agree with my teachers modernist views on beauty. It was obvious what I had done but to he credited he graded them fairly. He said to me “I hope they get the grade you deserve” I submitted a black square on a white piece of A4 and wrote. “ this is your idea of beauty” he gave me an F. Which was also fair.
@@thebigredwagon Odd... Sounds like an A to me... Then again, I guess teachers are obliged to follow very strict rules (Si-dom/aux) in grading and cannot accurately grade based on subjective creativity.
@@arcadianfox8127 I used balled-up cotton to create smooth gradients in flesh but he demanded that I had to use 8 different pencil values to shade even though the 3 pencils and the cotton was easier and had a better effect. It made no sense to me or anyone in the class but it was his way or fail.
@@thebigredwagon I'm not sure what to say... That person sounds like a terrible teacher. A good mentor provides the guidance a pupil needs. That can be intellectually, creatively, physically, or otherwise. Structural counselors these days merely provide a black-white guide to life..... It's not realistic and it doesn't provide any understanding whatsoever in the creative value many people provide. It pisses me off that I don't know how to get the educational system to open up more to different perspectives.... The Si-dom/aux is too heavy for me... Maybe in the future I find a way, but many 'more intelligent' people have gone before me, and failed. I still think that I'll find some progression in this field, but it's difficult..
I'm an INTP. I'm horrible at following through on things. But not doing so also makes me feel bad. Obviously not bad enough to actually follow through, but it seems to affect my self esteem. Oftentimes I will find myself buried by the things I have not followed through and the anxiety can be crippling. I have no mechanism to deal with this other than burying it like everything else.
Yep! What helped me was realizing that put nearly ZERO thought into problem solving for MYSELF 🤯 As an INTP I found that I had to find methods of tricking myself into doing certain things.. at least until they became habits. I still do that to this day! I’m not going to tell you that I’m like a busy bee with a schedule and I’m always running around and have everything in order 😆 BUT for the most part I have everything important down… like the main main main few things that are important. From a J’s perspective there could be lots of improvement but I’ve got it down for myself. There’s that INTP “system” in play and my life is pretty neatly set up to allow me freedom. I’m in my thirties so there’s that. I’d say things started falling into place in my late twenties As an INTP it’s hugely hugely hugely important to get a hold of those annoying things we hate like cleaning and feeding ourselves and just dOiNG haha. And don’t be afraid to be ridiculous in your methods to getting your own self to do it. Alsoooo… forget getting down anything perfectly. That’s actually a biggie. Just DO some shit. Anything. Even if you don’t finish it. I should say… clear out the clutter! Whatever that means to you… put shit where you always look for it and allow yourself space to move about as you wander about in your mind Ok I know that’s all very broad and/or vague 🧐 I just meant… building some type of prototype mechanism for dealing with it. It will be many years in the making… forever… but becomes more efficient with time and life input 🤓
"buried by the things I have not followed through and the anxiety can be crippling" My #1 tactic to deal with that is simply to take on far fewer projects or tasks. Ni Na's suggestions are all good, especially decluttering and organized placement, both of which tie in with the fewer tasks approach. You may need to go nuclear to get out from under-ie abandon all the unfinished stuff-but only when you have a new low-stress approach solidified.
Having Ni in the critical parent position can be really debilitating for both INTP and INFP. We already believe we don't deserve the things we earn, but that's exaggerated any time we fall short on a goal or task.
I know this spiral all too well. I've found to combat this, I allow my anxiety of letting things slip actually drive me to get things done and not procrastinate. I find If I focus on a few important items at a time and attack them like a dog with a bone, I get things done. Getting things done helps me feel accomplished and makes it easy to keep going on the next task. The downside to this method is when dealing with people who are barriers to success, I can get very impatient with them when I'm in this groove. If you develop the habit of doing tasks right away and not put it off, your Si child will want to keep doing it this way and you will feel anxious if you do put it off.
I think that many INTPs have the genius complex. Most of them were told how intelligent they are their whole life, but they are lazy and so they often don't study or prepare. If they still get a good grade, they think that they're a genius, but if they fail, they say to themselves "If I would've studied more, this would've been so easy".
@@bagel7080 I forget even if I do care. Always wanted a photographic memory, have met someone who remembers everything they read so they win every quiz they do.
@@louisejoel Wouldn’t that be cool? I always forget where my stuff is and so I spent way too much time searching something only to find it in the most obvious place in the end.
@@bagel7080 An external hard drive complete with a database and wirelessly connected to the brain would be great, oh and one you can disconnect at any time.
I tend to realise I've actually hurt someone's feelings after the conversation has ended (especially if im suddenly thrown into a conversation and haven't had time to prepare.) Only then can i move my focus from listening to processing and when i realize how i actually acted i feel unbelievably shit about.
Except people never know we feel bad about it and generally don't like us. It's kind of liberating in a farcical way when someone was on the fence about you, balancing awkwardly and you finally get that resolution by tipping the balance unintentionally. We need our own planet at this point.
@@louisejoel we'll design and plan a space ship and a way to terraform some inhospitable planet into a second earth but then get bored and start researching about how to grow tomatoes with maximum efficiency in a subtropical climate.
The people who know me have had to get used to me contacting them hours after a conversation with a text that starts with "It just occurred to me that what said earlier sounded rude. Please let me clarify..." So people think I'm weird but they don't think I'm a jerk! It has the added benefit of shortening the amount of time I spend feeling like crap. Also as an added benefit I found out that people don't generally hold my bluntness against me or think I'm as rude as I think I am.
I've just recently discovered that I'd been mistyped for an INTJ, while actually being INTP. I have no idea why it took me 7 months, but all that time something felt off for me (maybe because those types don't share a SINGLE function). Happy to join the INTP gang B)
Mbti is not about personality traits. It is about functions. Ti dom and Ni dom is two polar things. I recommend you to discover socionics, INTJ there is INTP here
The only thing these 2 share in common is the desire to be left alone and their almost exclusive rational view of the world. The way they use their rationality is nowhere similar to each other though. Just as you said, because they don't share any functions.
@Blake Dao Not a big deal. Regarding INFJ: in socionics exactly this type has Fi dom. Therefore, INFJ in mbti is INFP in socionics. INFP's dominant function is time intuition (Ni). The type is nearly not as rare as it is demonstrated in MBTI. Any sort of statistics about population of personality types is bullsh!t btw. About your second question: for example there are ENTP and ENTJ. The first one has Ne dom, the second one has Te dom. Rational (judjing ) types have dominant T or F functions. Irrational (perceiving) types have dominant N or S, but in mbti INTJ's dom function is Ni. It is extremely illogical, isn't it? In addition, in mbti INTP's dom function is structural intelligence (Ti), but how can perceiving type of personality, that has "I'll do it how I feel" in common more than "I'll do it properly and correct" be Ti dom? The same thing with ISTP and ISTJ. I hope the information is valuable and will help people to type first with functions, then with traits
I've found that having multiple reward systems, besides main stream education, which reassure you of your intelligence and aptitude essential to maintaining momentum as an INTP, be it hobbies or personal projects. I think it's dangerous when a type that places so much value in their intellect can unwisely lose faith in themselves and feel lost in a kind of identity crisis, which can cruelly solidify what was a once a false idea of underachievement, now making it a reality. If an INTP can learn to roll with the punches and utilise whatever outlets to keep moral high I believe they can avoid alot of their pitfalls and be excellent at defying their stereotype essentially splitting INTP's into two categories when it come to those who have the tenacity and drive to constantly improve and those who keel over when their bubble of identity is first burst.
Yes I agree completely. I also think its where the INTP gamer stereotype comes from, since games are so good at dishing rewards out and reassuring players of their progress and ability at multiple points of the game. In comparison, school isnt really like that, and often good grades are more often an expectation and a relief over a reward for many.
That's why INTPs should always have, in every place, a way to activate their ENTJ shadow. I've only achieve this through competition. Wherever i can make friends to compete with i can try my best and shine, but in places where competition is not so valued or where it is not as straight forward i just feel like worse than shit, like i'm just nothing. We NEED to boost our own ego, or else we simply do not function.
As an INTP I have struggled with communication my entire life. My natural instinct is to respond truthfully and efficiently, and until someone pointed it out I wasn't aware that this is perceived as rude and blunt. Now I watch how other people react emotionally while conversing and I try to mimic them. I also find it hard to interpret other people's feelings, which is why I fake everything just to not offend anyone. But honestly, sometimes I'd rather be seen as a rude, emotionless robot than to live with the fact that I'm faking who I am just so I can seem normal.
I feel like a liar when faking concern for others emotional discharges when I think the situation is overblown or trivial. I keep reminding myself that if I didn't do that others would reject me as cold and unfeeling. Can't count the times in my past when I have been accused of having no feelings so whatever they do to me doesn't count as mean, dishonest or nasty. It makes life easier- mostly. It is best to not respond to offenses or slights. Keeps a situation from escalating when you know you have to deal with an unpleasant person on a regular basis. That doesn't mean getting walked on, but behaving like their actions cannot touch you or that they are not important enough to notice. Works. Makes me work harder for alone time. Fortunately I have friends who are fun to be with, but I still don't say what I really think.
I did a project with an intp( whom I still speak to.. rarely) on creating a functioning program. We talked about nothing for the first 2 hrs and and wrote the entire program in less than a half hour. It was awesome. I feel like intp are really the one of the only types I can actually relate to. (Infp)
One of my best friends is an INFP. We really get carried away talking about random things. Usually video games or movies or things that aren't based on reality. We create debates on things just to bounce ideas back and forth. Those conversations can trail on forever because your ideas influence each other and change and offer new questions that could change things further.
The biggest thing I've learned as an intp is to accept and understand my emotions which I usually ignore and just go by logic no matter what thinking it's for the best. It's only recently that I understood emotions are just as important as logic.
I agree. If you don't deal with them and keep burying them, eventually they pile up too much until you're forced to under incredible amounts of stress and/or pain. It's very difficult for INTPs to get help as well, from maybe a therapist or friend with this weakness of dealing with and processing their own feelings (8th slot cognitive function Fi). After being accustomed to trusting our own (logical) decisions over others, it takes a lot of humility and can be downright terrifying.
As a INTP myself I found emotional intelligence, can mean more than having a high I.Q! This life is hard to get through. INTPs love information, they should strive to be well rounded. As far as there passion for information can stretch out. E.I is a good world to get into! There’s plenty of information there. Ease the INTPs problems in people misunderstanding them.
My INTP sister was in special Ed throughout school. She was labeled as someone who had a learning disability. She is very smart. She has taken and excelled in Physics and Neuroscience classes in college. Now she is learning coding. She never got a degree because she feels at a certain point, she has gotten what she wanted to get out of those classes. They definitely learn for the sake of learning.
4:23 "When something is solved in theory, they don't necessarily feel the need to solve it in reality" Work smart, not hard. INTP's know it's not an efficient use of time to work on something that has already been solved. Give them a challenge to solve, praise their results and drag the project over the finish line. Rejoice!
As an INTP I can say the secret to my success is the fact that I have surrounded myself with ENFJs. They believe in you and encourage you so much, that the guilt of not living up to the potential that they see in you overcomes the INTP apathy and decision paralysis.
I felt called out. I'm (Infj) the proud aunt of a Intp and I'm like her source of encouragement, matter of fact I'm researching her MBTI so I have more understanding of her way of navigating this world and to develop tools to help her and be better for her in general. You Intp people are awesome, I admire a lot of things of you but it seems to me like you are unable to see that awesomeness that you exude and your own potential, let me tell from an outside perspective: you people are amazing!!
My closest friend that is also my coach is an amazing person. He believes in me and doesn't allow me to make excuses. He's constantly asking me what my goals are and doesn't allow me to say u don't have any. He forces me to pick something and consistently asks me what steps I'm taking to be better. I love that man.
@@lunade13 Best of luck with your niece! You have no idea how important the INFJ's admiration, respect, and encouragement is to an INTP. The xNFJ may be the only types that can really get through and make a difference to a young INTP. Even if you don't fully understand them, it is the unconditional admiration and acceptance that makes all the difference. (Virtually no one else understands them or accepts them - including teachers, classmates, friend's parents, their own parents for that matter, co-workers, bosses, significant others... It is a lifelong curse.) As one of the comments below says, "Give them a challenge to solve, praise their results, and (help/encourage them to) drag the project over the finish line." Just make sure they are always challenged and stimulated!! Find out what challenges and stimulates her, and take it to the next level. But know that once it is mastered in their mind or in reality, she may leave it behind and quickly move on to the next challenge. So don't necessarily invest in, say, a $2000 guitar, for example - just because her interest is intense at the moment, it could completely vanish in the blink of an eye when she moves on to the next challenge! As one INTP once said, "I ordered all the available books on the topic I was currently obsessed with, and by the time they arrived, I had already mastered it to my satisfaction and moved onto the next thing."
Oh, the horrors of the lower education system. There was half a year I didn't turn in homework. I nearly failed the class in high school. I did the homework every night, but then I wouldn't be able to find the completed paper in the 2 minutes allowed to look for it at the beginning of class. The poor teacher was so confused as I aced every test in class. INTP
Yeah, I have a friend that is probably and INTP as he knows the stuff really well and is quite smart, yet fails all of his classes by not turning in assignments. As an INFP, I have had my own struggles with school, but not in the same sense. I hate how it is restricting and uniform, but I am able to pass classes because I tell myself I need too for both my mental image and social image.
Yep. I think the only way to surmount this issue is to change the goal, which currently is the random turn in your work so it can be judged, into something like all work completed AND turned in by Friday noon or no partying on the weekend. That is, get rid of the artificiality that you don't care about and creat a new one, each week if necessary, to get things turned in. It's a balancing act between loving to learn and experience, and also performing routine tasks that produce something sometimes not directly related to learning such as homework. This doesn't stop after high school or college. :)
I once was so late in handing in a mid-term assignment for English, that I just gave up and flat-out refused to do it. I ended up whipping something up in a very short amount of time on the teacher's insistence, after around 2 months (quite certain she was aware of my abilities) and got quite a high score, a fact that seemed to make some other students very resentful indeed (and understandably so!)
When it comes on to school, classes weren't the issue for me it was studying & test. I personally loved class structure cause I know left to my own I wouldn't have got anything done. I hate test I don't see the point of them though, they claim it for understanding purposes but if something why when you get something wrong isn't it gone over with you individually too see where your wrong. They would say time consuming so why bother with the test in the first place
My issue is studying. In fact, I may even prefer tests to classes as I get to finally apply my knowledge and do some in depth analysis. But the thing about the exam system, is that I think it’s a method that tries to understand abilities in a very limited way. I believe there are multiple types of intelligence, yet exams focus on just one type. It’s just a means to see who is academically motivated/intelligent and who isnt
Taking baby steps into trying something physically, and being persistent has been my approach to an INTP’s general apathy towards a subject after understanding it. It feels hard to start on a project, idea, or plan that isn’t a great desire without it, but it helps me to get involved with still in someway. I like to think of it like building up traction until you reach a point where you can keep going at it, because it is almost practically reality by then, and you would like to see it. Sorta like taking vitamins in the morning.
If you could somehow become really good friends with an INTJ or an ENTJ, I feel like you could actually create a power team. You come with the ideas and with a lot of hypothetical ways of approaching the goals and INTJ or ENTJ will make sure to get it done in the shortest amount of time. This sounds cool but it's much harder than it sounds lol.
This is kind of a venting message for me... Please don't mind if it seems like a bunch of nonsense... 1. I hate schools and I managed to convince my parents to let me homeschool and study on my own through Khan Academy and Books. I would love to set up my own study material, and organize a schooling system that works well for me. Would be great if I could arrange the duration of each subject and the day at which I would be studying certain subjects. I am free to work harder on subjects I wish to excel in and it allows me the time I require to understand certain topics. ALL OF THIS WITHOUT FEARING EXAMS AND WITHOUT GRINDING OUT THE DAY BEFORE EXAMS. 2. I tend to not consider people's emotions (unless they really matter to me) but whenever I do IDK how the fuck I must respond lol. 3. The thing about me is that I dream so much and plan so much but never execute anything. Im planning my upcoming days and I really hope to follow it. Edit: I seriously hate how some bastards make the stupidest analogies to support their point, when the analogical example and their point(s) are completely unrelated and can not be compared. One can't respond to stupid analogies or prove the wrong in any verbal manner, as it is too obvious to a point where it's not explainable and certainly enigmatic. Im here in India, which is a place full of what I like to call "analogical fucking bastards" or "analogical idiots", these dudes literally can't understand shit without analogies, and would believe anything said analogically seemingly justified. Is this an INTP thing or is it just the same for all humans or am I crazy?
I too detest traditional schooling. So much wasted time on useless information. Not altogether useless, but useless in that most people will never need to know that level of head math for example. I have to practice responses to emotional things. That or take a significant amount of time to process what’s being said so I can figure out how to deal with it but I have to break it down into logical pieces to solve an emotional conversation or situation. I am constantly day dreaming. It gets me through what is often monotony. But also day dreaming about tasks and projects and solving things I will put into practice.
yeah, the only reason i bother to continue traditional school is because 1. everyone expects at least a high school degree, if i dont get one i could face some kind of discrimination 2. my family wont let me drop out (which is somewhat reasonable)
@@sirtetris I mean, depends where you are living, in certain countries one can find an adequately paying job for negligible educational qualification and in others, also the financial status of one's family matters quite a bit... I am currently living in India and homeschooling would be a disastrous idea if I were not planning a settlement abroad. My parents are willing to pay for all the travel expenses which is why I can study all I want for the next few years and then go to some other country where I can make a living. And honestly, schools and colleges are just for the money, one can gain all the knowledge a school can provide alone, but all parents what a nice certificate which will be used to get admission in a college which will also just provide a nice certificate which then allows you to get a job... School sucks man, I feel you
I grew up in a boarding and close knit school where everyone knew everyone. It helped me a lot to develop interpersonal relations. I know now that I can connect with people easily if I want to but most times I don't. You just have to push past your boundaries and be okay with being yourself and showing it. I think rejection is the most scary thing to intps but if you can say fuck it, fuck the world I will be myself and if you don't like it, I am okay with that too. You will come across as confident, cute and mature(my real friends tell me that all the time.)
It's so true. Forgetting this is the worst thing I think I've ever done. I learned to appreciate myself when I wanted to stop hating everyone else. I convinced myself that everyone had SOMETHING to offer, and in turn, I realized that I too was someone and had something to offer to others. So, if I was ever putting my truest self out there, and someone tried to tear me down, it was their problem, not mine. As long as I was being nice and helpful, but assertive, I could do no wrong in being myself.
Easier said than done, I'd say it takes a while to get used to putting yourself out there. Despite knowing my fears are wholly irrational and nonsensical my anxiety still leaves me deeply unsettled when trying to push past boundaries and even express myself.
As an intp with adhd, I find that if I can find one small thing to enjoy in the midst of bullshit the education system has to offer, I feel a little satisfied.
I was homeschooled most of my life. It was awesome. I got to just sit around my house and read. The most annoying thing was math, because I had to spend time practicing the problems. It was far more fun once I reached algebra. During my second half of highschool, I was enrolled part time in an academy program. That essentially means that I was given access to various science classes such as biogeography and zoology. (Including shadowing opportunities.) Currently, I'm at college. I see a lot of benefits to self learning and the education system. Self learning Pros: - Work at your own pace. You have time to absorb all the details or learn something extra. - No one cares about homework for most subjects. They know you're learning because you keep telling them "Did you know this?" "What if this happened instead?" (Most subjects still had tests) - You get to grade most of your own work. (The stuff that had an answer key anyway. Not essays or short answers.) This teaches you integrity, and reveals that the grades don't matter if you don't learn anything. Plus, you can check what you got wrong and use it as an opportunity to continue learning. Because you have time for that. - You can sleep in and snack whenever you want. Cons: - It's all on you. Ultimately, you decide how much work to do AND how much work you *should* do. You'll either overburden yourself or slack off. Sometimes you'll overburden yourself so much that you give up and slack off and spend the next month binging TV and video games. - You and others may doubt your education because there is no one outside of your household to vouch for it's authenticity. How are colleges supposed to know if you know enough to keep learning? *cough*sarcasm*cough* (But then you rank in the top 10% in every standardized test you take, so it must mean you know something.) - You either become very good or very bad at time management. It depends how motivated you are in things that exist outside of the house. (INTP = no motivation and bad time management. My INTJ friend is the complete opposite.) - Your taxpayer dollars are funding the schools and you don't take advantage of it. Instead, you spend even more money on schoolbooks and field trips. The education system Pros: - You have a set amount of material to go through and homework to finish. You don't have to worry about doing enough, but not too much. That's your teacher's job. - There is a person (aka, the teacher) that judges you on everything and makes sure you do your stuff on time. - Everything is standardized, so it's really easy to tell who is the best. Better than anyone else. Because that's so important to know. Also, it's not like there are several teachers who teach the same class, but give out different homework and have different rules on grading. Nu-uh. - Teachers show you all sorts of new learning tools and websites. Have a question about this subject? Look for books by this company! Want to know more about this? Here's an awesome website! - Schools can afford to organize extracurriculars that would be very difficult to get involved in as a homeschooler. Band, theater, or even something like a pottery class. Depending on where you live, these are possible for homeschoolers, but schools make it much cheaper and more convenient. - Networking. - You're required to focus. Maybe you don't learn as much or as well, but you learn the important stuff instead of the random stuff. (Until someone makes a revolutionary discovery and all of that random stuff becomes very important.) Cons: - You'll eventually realize that all anyone cares about are the grades. So then you start finding loopholes and ways to do the minimum amount of work while still getting good grades. You don't care if your work is quality, so long as it's decent. And you don't care about knowing the subject, so long as you can retain the information that will be on the test. But this discourages additional research. - You're forced to write far too many papers. (The pros and cons of paper writing is actually very similar to the pros and cons of self learning vs standardized learning.) But at a certain point, the amount of papers you write does not benefit you more that writing a smaller number of papers. All it does is waste time. - The class size becomes so big that you don't have opportunities to know your teacher, so you care less about impressing them, which removes one of the biggest pros of the education system. That's all I can think of right now.
Productivity hack: Overcome perfectionism by simply labeling your project a "beta" (Google does this), allowing you to present it "prematurely" (no one but you can likely see the faults) for purposes of feedback. Ugh.... sentencing in the morning be like.
3:05 I'm really happy this was brought up, as an INTP myself, it was really hard for me to understand communication and taking account of other people's emotions, my inferioror Fe was basically non-existent. (When I started school and didn't have any friends, I found the spare change in my house and gave money to kids to try to get them to like me lol). I felt really lonely when I began maturing and getting more of a personality, but I finally became self-aware when I met one of my best friends who is an Fi dom. (ISFP, to be specific). They taught me to understand my own feelings a lot better and to be a lot less impulsive in general, and ever since I became friends with them my Fe has developed so much, and even though they didn't come naturally to me, I finally have social skills and I have a lot of friends. Now I'm often mistyped as an Fi user because a lot of the social skills I developed came from my love of my XXFP friends, who were also left out like I was, but managed to take pride in their individuality, and empathize with each other. I've gotten significantly better at reading other people and understanding what they want, even though I'm still oblivious to my own emotions a lot of the time.
As an INTP in school, I prefer online learning because you basically have to teach yourself. Being online is 'difficult' so they don't care too much how you go about things. There's more flexibility and it means I can dive into things where I want to and race ahead where I don't, very ideal. The only bad thing is you still have to keep to the rigid schedule of classes.
I'm one of those rare INTPs that did very well at school. But it was likely due to the fact I took a very non-traditional route (homeschooled K-12, online college for all four years). Very glad I did too!
For me thinking about something or how to do something takes so much mental energy (and sometimes emotional) that by the time I figure it out or am satisfied with my conclusion I don't have enough energy left to actually do it.. 😓
and underpowered when they have no reason to do so. As a person on the internet once said: " I like people who both: hate themselves with a burning passion and think they could effortlessly surpass god at the exact same time"
I learned this myself, you can really do almost anything. Perfect your social skills, do apply for that job or internship, go do the things you thought about doing, but didn't. Time is now!
I think so too-- as long as they aren't in the self doubting mode. The constant search for conceits, and rapidly filtering many options can delay execution, which others might mistake as incompetence. But in flow I think INTPs kick butt.
The most difficult thing in the world for me has been people who see communication as just a pleasant, meaningless sussuration of noise as opposed to a goal-oriented pursuit of an idea to some sort of useful, rational conclusion that can then be generalized or abstracted meaningfully. My mom is ... let's just say not an INTP. And I most emphatically am. I'm 55 and I still can't have a conversation with her that doesn't leave me drained, disoriented, and frustrated because I want to have a conversation that GOES SOMEWHERE and she just wants to ... talk. Aimlessly. To me, it feels like I keep putting out feelers and she keeps completely ignoring what I'm saying and swatting them aside. To her, she has no clue WTF I get frustrated after about 10 minutes of talking. She is 87 and lives with me. I have lived alone for my entire adult life up to this point. If I am still sane in ten years, it'll be a wonder. Yes, I do love my mother. But damn.
INTP. I don't think we suffer in school the most out of the 16 types but the thing is: 1: *Complete* Lack of motivation and engagement in otherwise important activities. 2: *Way to much* intuition/abstract thinking at the point of being impractical. 3: Low Fe, Se trickster and all that it implies. 4: Leaning at our own pace. 5: Annoying, nonsensical and seen by the INTP as unnecessary rules. 6: The professor being a hierarchical and unquestionable figure sometimes. 7: And the *disruptive* , *iconoclast* and sometimes *contrarian* Nature of the INTP. Are things that don't mix very well. Yes we can thrive in logic based subjects like math and stuff but other's subjects homework can be seen as redundant. Like "professor I understand this please give a test and end my suffering". In my highschool years all the teachers said the same thing, i summed up too much and didn't write anything down so I only got bad grades in "carpeta" (they reviewed what I wrote in class, I don't know if you have that in the states) but excelled at tests because I actually understood it. Only one teacher actually saw what was going on and it was a nice experience but the point is... We are the genius but lazy stereotype and the also applies in school. PD: sorry for bad English, not my first language.
I have struggled to get things done. The Pomodoro technique where you set a timer has been a game-changer for me. It forces me to focus on the important things. That being said, I have seemed to found my way onto RUclips rather than doing the work I was meant to be doing
@@carlyellison8498 Josh Chen does a different Pomodoro where he works for longer and takes a long break. I think it's 2 hours of work and 30 minutes of a break.
@@carlyellison8498 nothing can force you until you force yourself....this is what I learnt from some bad experiences. I have forced myself to study for atleast 20min and after that I automatically generate interest in that subject and finish it. You can do the same by pomodoro technique. It really works.
YES! I had the hardest time typing myself. I am a very emotional person and can be very empathetic. So reading that INTPs ‘don’t get emotion’ or ‘are not very emotion based’ confused me early on
It's possible to overcome the shyness and be more expressive when you're given the social space to be open and flex that emotional weak point constructively. INTP's do like having friends, just few, and time with them can make us less "robotic". It also helps to acknowledge that emotions exist (despite being wholly counterproductive most of the time). While we can't read a room or a person for shit, it's nice to have a handy 'in case of x' index card in our brain to handle when/if we figure it out. My cards mostly say "shut up, listen, do not fix".
I’m learning Ancient Greek, how to knapp obsidian glass into Aztec death weapons and the patterns in human initiation rituals across the planet all at the same time. 😁 life is delicious.
as an INTP I realized how to go around all these weaknesses by using it as a game. In uni I realized everyone loved to be social, so I used my time there to study and observe who can be like minded or close to what I need to move forward. Then I picked those people and went about befriending them as a mini puzzle and got them to be my friends and learned their best weakness and strengths. Now long after uni is done I try to cover for their weaknesses by giving them advice when they ask and help them get better and in return they do all my leg work and daily real life tasks that I hate doing. They are also usually my spoke ppl in social events so I can just sit back and enjoy myself as now they find me new potential friends and do that area. pro tip for anyone who goes about this method: pick your lover as someone who enjoys doing daily tasks like cooking and cleaning while having many other skills as well. If you can help your lover with their problems, they'll be more than happy to cook for you and feed you when you have forgotten to eat for a day.
I've found that, when navigating emotional situations, more often than not the following apply: People don't necessarily want to verbally dissect something, especially if the emotions are fresh; when they say they want to talk about something, they mean airing out how they feel, not necessarily finding a solution, or at least not immediately. People just want you to listen to what they have to say, for the most part. They don't want an intellectual discussion about it. You can say that you disagree, but wait to explain why until they ask you. When you do hit the discussion part, make sure you stipulate you do value their perspective, so they don't feel attacked, and that you appreciate their passions, so they don't feel belittled.
Wow!! I'm happy to know that somebody understood this and put it out on here. I really appreciate it. Even I could not understand why I didn't wanted immediate solutions about the emotions I talked about. I thought I was being irrational. But no, being heard and understood is the most comforting solution. Then comes the other solutions to deal with stuff. It's just like, getting your wounds treated and resting first and then later, finding ways to avoid getting hurt. That's how we learn, through pain. We should allow ourselves to feel pain. ~INFJ
INTP here. I always had trouble in school with subjects that didn't interest me. I would always get lost in space thinking of other things. When it came to a subject I found interesting I would do very well. For example I hated science class but when it came to biology I found it incredibly interesting so I did very well in that class. My science teacher was shocked that I did so well. Did anyone else have people tell them they just needed to apply themselves and basically it was their fault they weren't doing well because they were being lazy?
I did get that in high school because I had pretty low grades most of the time and was known to be an edgy and lazy teenager, so my classmates had a pretty low opinion of me. But every now and then I'd be top of the class only because the subject matter was interesting to me and the puzzled look on my classmates' faces was priceless. I've had some teachers tell me to make efforts once they understood that this was the reason why I was failing, but I guess I was too busy finding reasons why I thought their class was useless in my mind to actually listen to them.
Honestly, as an INTP, I struggle with deadlines but at the same time I can get good grades with much less effort than my peers. I used to think everyone in my class was just stupid and lazy because I would get good grades without really trying. But then I realized that other people really do try.
A wise man once said there aren't enough words in the any human dictionary to describe what I'm thinking he also said I'm too busy thinking of what I will do to actually do it
My little brother is an INTP. I to this day remember when he started primary school he would spend hours on homework figuring out how to write answers using the least amount of letters. He hated writing :D I've actually seen it back then as a sign of great problem solving skills - even tho the problem was self-invented :D
I think one of the biggest mindset changes that helped me get into gear and actually start taking action was applying (perhaps misapplying) the law that objects in motion stay in motion. I work hard not to allow myself to stagnate as this results in all my responsibilities getting derailed. I do this by trying to constantly indulge my curiosity about new things. I love trying and learning new things, which helps me actually get out of the house. I also recommend looking into flow states- there are activities and exercises that take your mind to an interesting and very peaceful place. For me, this is hiking or mountain biking. Boxing can also accomplish this. Watching Love Who videos is also oddly soothing as well as mentally stimulating, but that’s an aside. As for solving the riddle of human interaction- try to learn how to incorporate other peoples’ feelings into the equation. At times it makes no sense, but humans are operating systems that run on purely biological matter. As smart as we are, we all run on chemicals and electrical signals. This helped me learn to forgive the how illogically people can seem to think and feel. In some ways, it’s much more impressive that we are able to be logical at all considering that we are just highly organized compositions of biological material. Use your talents in observation and data collection to study the people around you and identify the emotions they are displaying. The attempt to show a little kindness goes a long way, I have found. Final point- take care of your body. This ties back to the previous points - we are computers made of chemicals and flesh, so in theory it makes sense that well-cared for hardware will better support the software it runs. Exercise and get that blood flowing, it really helps get out of mental ruts and combat depressive thoughts. Love, an INTP
You are my favourite YT channel for sharing videos to family and friends who don't understand my ways of thinking, or why I simply will, or will not do something in a "normal" way. 🙃
when I was little, I thought the only people who truly understood were my parents. Yet I always felt _something_ was lacking... It was only a few months ago that I found out about the MBTI and boy oh boy my life has changed. Never did I even dream that a website would know more about me than my own parents. Glad to be part of this community
INTP here. I really had to trick myself throughout school to get work done. I hated elementary school more than all other grade levels. It was the worst. I learned how to read by the time I was almost 3 years old, and then kind of taught myself to read Spanish by the time I was about 6 years old. In elementary they asked if I wanted to be in the GT class and I said no. I was so bored but I really only had to do very little effort to make A's. In my fantasy world I win the lottery and I'm able to take all the classes I want with no real end goal for a career just learning about things that actually interest me. Basically Buster Bluth.
INTP here and the only strategy I've come up with is that doing while you're thinking/analysing. I'm a writer so whenever I'm analysing something or learning something... I make sure to take notes and/immediately writing it down. It slows down my thoughts, and allows me time to take action while thinking so by the time I can say I understand something... I have also put it down on paper and in a way taken action. Similarly.. when it comes to decisons and tasks I think on them only a little at a time while addressing other things. I also take on several different tasks at the same time so that I don't feel like solving something immediately. I can switch between these "mysteries" and work on each a little at a time. So I stay stimulated but also relaxed. True a lot of the times theres no routine to it (my circadian cycle is non existent) but when there is .. what a grandly satisfying strategy this is.
several different tasks at the same time if i don't feel like solving it immediately, i get you, i relax and enjoy my processes of thought, i love problem solving but i don't struggle - i flip around and then voila! i've worked out the problem or best approach i need to take.
I’m in my first year at university and can’t stop thinking about dropping out and starting a career and learning from that. Learning still seems to be a lot like memorisation and regurgitating that information rather than applying it to real events. I’m glad you’ve considered a developed fe, I think I developed it thanks to my mum and past relationship. Also turning into an adult helped. I don’t disregard my feelings and emotions, but i prioritise logic, reasoning and fairness higher. I used to think I was entp because of this developed fe, but I am constantly trying to analyse everything in my head and am often seen as absent-minded
and to deal with the issue of coming to insight and not taking action is that I don’t deal with it. This is my biggest struggle and imagine that external help from a tj type to encourage me to do so would be best, but I’m not sure
As an INTP I find that the best way to navigate through all of this weaknesses is to use logic to solve them :) if you struggle with communication then create your own system and rules of how to approach it. Or at least think about it as learning, and how those problems will bring new knowledge to your library or thoughts that will one day be useful.
@@satoshinakamoto5710 lol what? Somehow ni paired with se inferior is stronger in self learning that ne-si on stable positions with ti hero? Are you joking? Why do you think that autodidact way of learning has nothing to do with conventiality? HOW can a learning system exist without it at all? You do understand that ti paired with si is an amazing mechanism for building your own systems based on the principles of accuracy and specificity? The conventionality of si meets any crystallized principles of the individual, regardless of where they came from, and not just social standards. And god, its paired with ti hero in intp, well of course it will obey its own system of information perception. And that's the exact reason why intps dislike other systems. They always already have their own. Remember, ni is not a critic, and ni demonizes se. Besides, ti paired with ne is just way better at learning, and si only helps by storing concrete info. Ne-Si is literally the process of learning itself if ne stands higher that si. You grab all the new info, analyze it, and then it goes to your storage. And, well, ti hero. Intp is a whole system in which ti sorts information, ne consumes new information and si stores old information. And mind you, I don't even mention the inferior function, fe. And then infj, ni+FE+ti+se. Lol wat :D
Lol I LOVE your videos on INTP!! In my opinion, you have the very best understanding of the type out of all the MBTI RUclipsrs. My partner is INTP, and your assessments are always spot on ;) Its funny to sit here and tell him "OMG THIS IS LITERALLY YOU" and to see him squirm. I'm not sure he appreciates your accuracy. He likes to see himself as "mysterious" I think xD
Good morning! I’m watching this at 1:30AM. 😂 It’s very interesting to learn about the INTP as an INFJ who was raised by an INTP mother. Though we’re quite different, we do share some traits that I’ve picked up from her, simply from being around her and taking my cues from her so much. Thanks for making these videos, they provide great questions to think about and discuss with my mom (one of her favorite pastimes). ❤️
I've been in college for 6 years and I'm barely past my associates. I've taken things very slowly and had to take a couple classes over because they just seemed so pointless that I didn't even bother to do the first assignments but I'm still required to do them for a wholly unrelated degree. At this point I've genuinely spent more time out of school learning things and just cheat on tests, quizzes, homework, etc. Because it's stupidly, absurdly easy to do so and leaves more time to do other stuff I'm actually interested. Hell, the only reason I'm still in school is because I haven't been financially successful enough to live alone in my city and my parents are the "You're either in school or working two jobs" type. At this point I'm on the verge of renting a closet just to physically remove myself from the expectation that an oversturated market of college educated people justifies a piece of paper.
I did the same exact thing. It's unfortunate how bad this can look to others, but whatever. It was painful to force myself through all that nonsense and the pointless tasks.
That last part about being a "super intuitive"....I have long doubted being an INTP because I felt like my intuition was at the intensity of that of an Ni dom, I'm very into mythology/spitrituality/religion/etc. I can be very sociable & friendly (though I get drained quickly). When I discovered the 4 sides of the mind model, in addition to having been raised by two people who possess Fe I see why in social situations with those that I like I can become almost like an ESFJ, since that is our subconscious.
i am an intp with as much high Ni as Ne, i use Ni pretty often too. However Ne still pairs with Ti to cause living inside my world, but when it comes to socializing and deciding things, i use Ti and Ne,along with Ni
Usually Ni is usually our 3rd or 4th strongest function, so no wonder one being self-aware of his own Ni. I'd say for most of us it is stronger than Te.
On the education point ... I came to a realisation the other week about my education experiences (now in my mid-40s). At school, there was no gratitude if I did the work to get the grade. I knew I'd understood it, I could prove it in conversation with the teacher, I felt no need to earn a grade. First time at college, was pretty similar. Second time (mid-twenties) was quite different, I was helping some other folks in a group I'd found myself in and somehow was also teacher's assistance and student rep, so I had obligations to do stuff and gratitude for such, which completely changed how I dealt with it. That's typically how I function in life. If there's no one to benefit or they're so detached as to be deniable, I probably won't put in the effort. If someone will be negatively impacted by my lack of effort, I'll put the effort in (frustratingly, often even if I actively dislike them). Infuriatingly, this means I must have "people" in my life, in order for my life to not be entirely meaningless. 😤
Actually I did better at school than at University. As INTPs we procrastinate a lot, but procrastination is more easily defeated in a structured system were every week you know you have a test on a rather small number of pages, I did procrastinate at school too, but I was able to still be top of my class by studying until 3:00 am before a test. Now in University I have a lot more time before and a lot more pages for each exam and that leads me to having huge amounts of pages to do in the last days. I think that as INTPs we don't like a rigid system but we need it. P.s. I did not attend school in the US
Regarding communication, at an undefinable point (I think it was just a slow burn of putting the pieces together throughout the years) I came to recognize the importance of acknowledging emotions and its impact on social interactions. Before, I intentionally fought it, I didn't think feelings had a place in most conversations, but when I reached the "undefined point" I realized that it's easier and, most importantly, more logical to let people feel how they want and sort of steer them away from the irrational in little, less blunt ways. This saves me from the annoyance of wasting energy by directly debating with people and I won't have to worry about them screeching about the more fallacious points to people that'll believe them. This more diplomatic approach definitely took some learning but without it I'd probably have a harder time with the peers I can't avoid. [intp(duh)]
Well, the video describes me very, except for the part of having problems with the educational system in adolescence. I’m 44yo and I’m much more critical to educational system now. I mean, didn’t like assignments in group, I prefer much more to take exames, but I had much more exams than group assignments. I’m critical of what the educational system has become in the latest years.
this is a short note on how I dealt with my school 1.I knew teachers cant actually teach anything to me. So I took a different approach. I would learn the whole chapter before them actually teaching it. It was really better. If I had any doubt I can just google it 2. You might be wondering why i wanted to do better in the firstplace . I had this bestfriend who was an ENTJ and she was damn focused on this academics she and I were classmates since elementary school. One day why I got bad at academics and I was like i dont care about all that in the first place then we had an argument so obviously i looked up and found that i actually did want to get good at it. She helped me with almost everything . We studied together [lol] . She literally organized my timetable she was bit bossy [expected from an ENTJ ]. And in the end I did better than her even scored the perfect 100 score and she was so proud she was like she adopted me and made me succeed{lol}. MY ADVICE IT FIND SOMEONE WHOM YOU CAN STUDY WITH AND ALSO DONT JUST QUIT SCHOOL OR COLLEGE JUST BECOAUSE YOU ACTUALLY HATE IT IT REALLY IS A PLACE FOR GREAT CHARACTER DEVOLOPMENT . AND ALSO GET AN ENTJ : )
I NEVER learned social skills in school. School was all about getting the work done as fast as possible to get to what I really wanted to do!! I am very good at technical communication. Communicating with emotional (irrational) people is very difficult. My 85 year old mother had an emotional break down last week and I had to take her to the ER for evaluation, suspecting she had messed up her meds. I did not acknowledge her emotional outbursts (crying), but I would interject with random thoughts and observations to distract her. Once she was calm (a few hours later) she asked how I can be so calm!! I didn’t say anything, she wouldn’t understand. My INTP lack of emotion saved me in this case, but I DO NOT want to have to go thru that again!! 10 hours sitting in the ER!!! I passed the time observing people (people watching). This is a great thing to do when in public when you absolutely can’t avoid being there. It can be entertaining looking for patterns. Putting names to faces in the ER to quickly find them when they get called in for the 5th time. The Costco trifecta - water, paper towels, toilet paper. A semi-rare combination, but very satisfying when I see one. Try it, you'll be obsessed!! WTF is wrong with me??!!! INTP…
Listening to others feelings/opinions felt unnecessary to me until I turned it into a challenge to figure out each persons strengths and share them with that person. Dropping little seeds of kindness where I can…
I'm like 85% sure I'm an INTP. However I've always done well in school but that's probably because it was mostly memorization than anything else, if I have an interest in whatever we're learning it's easy to remember too. That's why world history, language arts, and maths were very easy for me. I like interesting stories and for math all you need to know is the formulas, though I never took any high level classes, didn't really see the point in putting extra effort during summer to be honest. Edit: I also really like getting better grades than other people, so that's a factor 🤷♀️
My time in school was absolutely awful. Summed up i spend there 12 years of pure boredom while my energy got drained more and more every day. I hated pretty much everything about it: Sociailizing, studying, homework and all other school stuff. At somepoint i stopped doing all of that. I just sat there all day being elsewhere in my mind as often as possible. And cause all of that + my inherited social anxiety that got worse continually, i became depressive as well.
I'm pretty confident that I'm INTP, but I've always thrived in a formal educational setting. I need it for the direction, structure, and momentum; because without it, I'd be all over the place and never get past Chapter 3 on anything.
so true. I really taught myself how to learn drawing, writing and reading while at school. I cant focus on the lesson, and i prefer not to sometimes because its not what i'm looking to improve on. i also am very not social, i try to avoid social situations because im kinda afraid of their consequences, and most of times they do not interest me, i only do it when its supposed to help me in grades (lmao) so yea, i tend to fail the educational system, and tbh i think i get good grades because of my introvert behavior and because i actually do the lessons at the end of the day, but often i tend to procrastinate and sleep in the classroom which isn't that good because i dont like getting attention from the teachers
I’m an INFP but almost all of this extremely resonated with me (the exception being the bit about understanding and valuing the emotional experiences of others)
That makes sense. A good friend of mine is an INFP and we thought we were really similar until we developed our interests. We both navigated away from psychology/philosophy, I went to science, and they went to art and writing. INFPs are logical and rational for feeling types, even though Ti is their last function.
For me a good tactic was visiting areas in my mental framework that I didn't fully work through and realising that not taking action can lead to contradictions and severe consequences
INTP here. I think the reason communication is tough is that INTPs overestimate both their own learning curve and the learning curve of others. I've found that people retain much less of what I say than I typically expect, and you need to repeat things for people to really get them. Another bad habit I get into as an INTP is assuming that I already know what another person is going to say, or getting the gist of what they're saying 10 seconds in, and then completely tuning out the rest. This works a lot of the time, but other times it can lead to frustration from the other person, and a minority of time, I completely misunderstand their point because I jumped to a conclusion about what they were going to say. So bottom line is don't take short cuts. Also keep things simple and make sure people really understand the simple concepts before getting into complex ones.
INTP here. Strategies were asked for so here is what I do. School- I dropped out of high school and attended continuation school graduating with a 1.7 gpa. My grades were the result of not bothering with homework, and usually class work. School isn't about getting smarter, it is about providing evidence you have a minimal education at best. I recently went back to college in my mid 30s and did really well. The difference was I had to want it. If I hadn't matured or didn't desire it, I would have been wasting my time. Communication- Always a struggle, to get out really. However, I learned to develop a persona. I had a friend who did this constantly, in hindsight he was most definitely an ENTP, but it he made it so fluid. I am not that fluid, but I am quite successful and found that socializing is far more important then I gave it credit for as a youth. Just like a book, figure out the traits you want, watch videos on acting and talking, and when you go into public you are this person. Also It isn't deceitful unless you make it so. For me it was just how I always wanted to be, so now I am that person when I leave my house. The biggest key here, is that I know that I will slip back into old ways if I stop developing it, you must be persistent in this endeavor and study it consciously. Don't leave it up to chance, work the living shit out of your Ne in public, and evaluate performance after with Ti. It becomes second nature before long Doing things- He said the key in the video. Do not present your brain with a problem to solve. If I say I have to do something, my brain will prove me wrong, I swear I am only my brains manservant. My mind will treat it as a problem to be solved, solve it and move on. I found if I think it through to the end I will actually get a sense of satisfaction and not do it. Do not let it get that far. When I know I have to do something I work hard to not think it through, usually distractions like reading, calculations, or posting on youtube comments when I doubt anyone will actually read the short essay I am typing. Anything to keep my mind busy. This of course does not apply to our "framework" days. Hate that phrase. Only to events. You have to trust you know what needs to get done, and will get it done in a timely fashion. Timers and alarms on the phone are awesome for this. Time management is a curse of ours. Above all else when you evaluate it afterwards, you must not get upset that you missed something or did this or that, simply learn and do not fall into the trap of self flagellation as so many do. Sorry no time to edit, alarm was going off a few minutes back. Oh one more piece of advice, do some outdoor manual labor every day, you will benefit from it in ways you can not imagine. Even just tending a small garden, or 30 minutes of gym time will shift your whole paradigm.
I learned to actually take action as an INTP slug. I have found that making parts for various things that break extremely rewarding. Instead of just thinking "this would be better/stronger if they made it this way..." and being right, I can take the thing, figure out why it broke, then think of ways to make it function again, but better/stronger. I taught myself CAD to make the parts in 3D, then I print them. The ultimate reward for me is the final repair of the thing using my improved design. It is like a proof for me to help reduce the imposter syndrome feeling. I have grown past just figuring it out because I can't stand always feeling like an imposter, and I think that feeling comes from being all talk (or thought). Even though I still do feel that way, even with the things I make, doing this has made me feel like I found a way to be useful in the world. That is the ultimate solution for an INTP IMO. There is room in the world for me now. It isn't enough to just figure it out anymore, and when you can figure it out to help reduce your negative thinking, a new desire to actually do something to completion emerges. It has also taught me how to follow through and complete projects in a much shorter time frame. I only have to bounce around a little before the desire to finish the project comes back. I still can't handle mundane, routine things which still feel like an allergic reaction in my core. Doing all this has taught me some basic organization because there is so much involved that I need to be spending more time thinking and less time looking for crap I have scattered around. If I am looking for stuff, then it will break my flow state and I will be off on some other tangent.
The last point (getting things done) I solve by working with one or two inspirational people who'll bring ideas to the table. I can get things done alone, but it's much more draining, because nothing new happens. My tip: Find somebody who thinks similar to you and work with them.
Homeschooling was great for me because I was bored with the expected content and wanted to learn more. Thankfully, my mom allowed me to study the topics and passions I had. I excelled in the expected subjects and learned what most students don’t get to study.
i'm an intp (tho it took me forever to feel absolute certainty about that), and the stereotype that i dislike most is the stereotype that we're unemotional and anti-social. it took me a longer time to acknowledge other people's feelings as well as my own and early on in my life when i didn't care for it i would cope with it in the worst ways which harmed myself and others. it took sooo much self-education to try to make other humans as close enough to a "fixed system" as possible to understand them enough to engage with them without being too overwhelmed with the fear of making them uncomfortable. i know personally that if there's anything i want more in life it's relationships.
I felt very naked when you spoke about INTPS and education. I insisted to everyone that I was off course studying properly and doing my best, but my grades said otherwise. Great god, always looking forward to hear stuff from you Noah.
I got into photography...but couldn't leave it there. Started with digital, then went to film, then went to large format film, then went tintypes. I literally felt compelled understand at the atomic level the origins of phography to the point I built a large format ambrotype camera (and portable darkroom) without any plans. I wanted to figure it out as i went along. The wife couldn't understand why what should have been a 2-3 weekend project turned into 14 month sequestration of our garage. I studied chemistry, optics, photographic styles, historical inventors, and even looked up patents for how to sew light-proof cloth. I took exactly 4 pictures (2 were failures) and was done with it. No regrets, just moved onto learning about programming arduino and building automation circuits.
INFP ... but have very high INTP traits. I consistently didn't turn up for a variety of classes at school because I was in the library. Took them a while to find me. I handed in homework every week but created my own. I had all; of the course specification details and devised my own schedule of learning. Annoyed them by getting good grades. I've been studying for a Masters in psychology but am only graduating with a PgDip because I found the situation surrounding COVID limited my ability to do the research the way I wanted and I wasn't prepared to compromise. It was demotivating to be expected to just do anything to complete the course. I learn and study because I want to; not for a qualification. I'll complete it when I can do it the way I want. Breaking free from the Masters has liberated me to go back to my own style of learning and I've made a plan to learn Python via a variety of free online courses. And I feel invigorated again.
What weaknesses? :-)))) I heard only: "Other pleasures pale in comparison to the intellectual joy". Every type has it - that one thing, the star that outshines everything else, what you call "genius" in your videos (genious of ENFP, genious of ENTJ etc.). Dealing with weknesses is impossible without compromising that genius. I say, chose a proper distance between you and other people - the distance that let you be who you are (without hurtying others, of course) and appreciate that unique genius in other people without changing them or letting them change you.
As an adult, for the sake of relationships, I’ve changed myself. Probably for the sake of toxic relationships, actually. I am getting back to my more “weird” self, and I am happier! Proper distance and not allowing others to change you: you’ve got it absolutely right. I think true INTPs (not mistyped) naturally let others be who they are without trying to change them. More of the observer than the conqueror.
@@SpockTheExtreme I agree, conquering is not INTP's style. Unethical let alone deadly boring. Nathan talks a lot about the art of seduction though. :-) Changing for the sake of toxic relationships... Sorry to hear that. I really am. I wonder if INTPs have a blind spot when it comes to this. I think (IMHO), INTP's doubting the idea that people are inheritently rational rather than emotional (I do think they are, sorry Natan, I disagree with you on that) is what gets us in trouble. When doubting logic, we lose our strength and diverge from our path. I've done it once and I won't do it again.
@@ketugrahagraha3673 I’ve heard it is fairly common for INTPs to stay in, what others’ would call, an abusive relationship. In one way, INTPs are actually quite tough to be able to put up with emotions that might make others crumble. It’s just another thing for an INTP to solve, or to solve later after more information. It is a bit of a blind spot simply because of the way we adapt and handle things, though this is not all that positive. If INTPs can integrate negative emotions as another variable in their equations, to say, something is not right here, I think that can be a rational and healthy way forward. Including the shadow side, introverted feeling is the 8th slot for INTPs, like myself. This lends itself to not really giving much air to internal feelings. In fact I’ve noticed that I seem to write “love” letters only when I’m somewhat sleep deprived. Airing deep feelings, including fanboy, non-romantic love, takes special circumstances. Fourth slot Fe does actually make us care for other’s feelings, albeit in our own way. Couple that with Ti + Ne, and I guess that’s what makes us playfully charming. Note that while charming is attractive to most, not everyone prefers the child-like side. Not saying that we should change - nope, not that. Just that others can wish that we were different, and that’s ok. That’s their deal, not ours, though that bothers Fe and maybe Ti, lol! Note: childish and child-like are completely different. I think the whole Ti Ne Si Fe stack really has a problem with childish behavior / manipulation in adults.
I don't allow myself to be ruled by my emotions, but I don't dismiss them. I recognize them for what they are- a physiological response to pain or pleasure, that are affected by external factors like hunger, exhaustion, trauma or hormones.
It isn’t though. A sandwich will do fine. My wife has all manner of cooking stuffs, even bought an air fryer to help simply the process for me. Still, I’d rather have peanut butter and jelly or ham and Swiss, or stand at the counter and eat cheese and pickles. Anything but cooking.
I think sandwiches might be very high on the list of foods INTPs prefer. But maybe also things that are microwaveable too. I TRY to batch cook twice a week so I don't have to deal with wasted time on preparing food every day. Does it happen every week? No... thats when a sandwich usually appears. PB&J because its the fastest.
@@kawaiiwitchbaby exactly. Whatever is simple, fast, requires the least effort if I may be redundant, will always rank high on the list of what’s preferred.
It’s about 4-5 months since I’ve started experimenting with “faking ENTJ”. On simple level I’m trying be an extravert and do action. I think it’s gonna work, I feel how it changes me in better way. I reach goals now. Can you cover possibility of such transformation on your channel?
Это полное говно бро. Если ты интро, ты не можешь быть экстра. Это не про кол во людей с которыми ты общаешься, это про мышление. Плюс не советую тебе изучать мбти, потому что это жвачка для массы. Советую зайти на канал "Соционика стихий" и посмотреть видеосравнение мбти и соционики, сделано красиво, без научной херни. Они сами infp, поэтому там все творчески и со вкусом) Кстати intp здесь в соционике intj. Для меня канал выше стал открытием, благодаря нему я понял что соционика рулит. Кстати о твоем комменте, для ENTJ деловая логика (Te) базовая и ценностная. Если ты реально робеспьер для тебя деловая логика неценностна, соответственно неинтересна. Чекни тот канал, надеюсь он поможет тебе разобраться в теме, причем на родном языке
@@Moore_is_love я несколько лет пассивно изучал соответствие типов мбти поведению двух десятков людей. Соответствие значительное, этим можно пользоваться. Соционика это неудобно, мбти - удобно. Так же не вижу причин по которым нельзя было бы изменить «мышление». Это всего лишь паттерны, которые помогают или мешают.
@@DmitryTaranov типологии это не про поведение, это про функции. Как ты видишь мир, иными словами, через призму каких очков. Ты не можешь просто взять другие очки. Плюс ты видимо не понимаешь что такое интроверт и экстраверт. Это не про социальность и тд, экстраверт может быть социопатом. Интроверт копает вглубь, экстраверт распыляет внимание. Ты не можешь тупо взять и изменить свое глубокое мышление и начать поверхностно смотреть на вещи. Хоть ты поломайся, никогда не станешь настоящим entj. Единственное, ты можешь поменять убеждения и образ мышления, пользоваться паттернами. Я просто не хочу чтобы у тебя были ложные ожидания, когда ты коверкаешь из себя другого человека. Пользуйся своей сильной структурной логикой и кайфуй, усиливай слабые, анализируй
Hello, it's been a while since you posted this, but I am wondering what exactly (or just generally) you changed in your behaviour when you want to act as an ENTJ. And also, perhaps more important, have you continued, and how have you benefited from it? Btw I'm also an INTP.
I’m an INTP, I have 2 brothers and 1 sister, all ENTP. I’m a natural introverted, but they have helped me to be more extroverted. They are really good at arguing, when they start to debate [usually everyday] i just watch and listen, at that moment i become a sponge. When i’m at school and i have to give a speech, or something like that, everyone tells me that i could be a politician or something, my skills at communicating have improved by analyzing my brothers and how they can create a strong web of arguments or ideas in seconds, btw i’m the youngest
I'm actually really good at socialising as I've reached middle/late age! I was painfully shy when young. I surprise people who thought I was more mousey or anti-social; i can naturally kind of take the lead and that's because i always have something relevant or interesting or witty to add to the conversation. I don't enjoy extra attention so I tend to avoid social group situations; i find group think dumbs down and rarely encourages real problem solving or thinking but people enjoy a little colour and spice i bring for short periods.
I did better with the education system the further I got into it. Which is to say, the more say I had in what I was doing/learning, the better things went. -INTP
OMG.... You are a mind reader. I think Im an INTP, and is attracted to emotional beings, not surprised. It's still a bit of a struggle to see all emotions equal. hope I can become more developed. Also, I forgot in which video you mentioned INTPs are not only compatible with thinking types, but also ISFJ. Yeah! My boyfriend is an ISFJ, we have so little in common, but we found each other fascinating.
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"INTP's look forward to being outside of the education system, so that they can finally start learning".
That's literally one of my main goals....
Trust me, it is worth waiting, and also if you struggle to find what you want to do in life, ending education proces will help you with it too. But than remember to push throu and actualy do what you decided to do. Good luck ;)
All of my art projects became so much better once I left school...lol
Hey I was going to comment this. Anyways nvm!
It's quite ironic that something that's supposed to widen our horizons can be so limiting.
My main goal is to blow up and act like I dont know nobody. Hee hee hee haa
INTPs have never felt more understood
Yes.
He knows me like a lover.
Been so misunderstood for so many years that the accuracy of MBTI is scary
@@thebigredwagon I laughed sooo much. - INFJ
@@jessenceq3250 😉
INTP and INFP: both hating high school because of it's restraints on learning.
Is that true for INFP as well?
I find many INFP are quite likely to finish higher education (ex. masters) because they want to prove their Te. After getting out of school they realize how useless education was for them and start using Ne more to explore more interesting topics.
So an older INFP tends to be incredibly intellectual, when Fi is managed correctly, because they have both the educational Te backing as well as Ne exploration granting them many valuable insights in vastly differing topics.
I hated it I purposely did half my classes projects in my Art class because I didn’t agree with my teachers modernist views on beauty. It was obvious what I had done but to he credited he graded them fairly. He said to me “I hope they get the grade you deserve” I submitted a black square on a white piece of A4 and wrote. “ this is your idea of beauty” he gave me an F. Which was also fair.
@@thebigredwagon Odd... Sounds like an A to me...
Then again, I guess teachers are obliged to follow very strict rules (Si-dom/aux) in grading and cannot accurately grade based on subjective creativity.
@@arcadianfox8127 I used balled-up cotton to create smooth gradients in flesh but he demanded that I had to use 8 different pencil values to shade even though the 3 pencils and the cotton was easier and had a better effect. It made no sense to me or anyone in the class but it was his way or fail.
@@thebigredwagon I'm not sure what to say... That person sounds like a terrible teacher.
A good mentor provides the guidance a pupil needs. That can be intellectually, creatively, physically, or otherwise.
Structural counselors these days merely provide a black-white guide to life..... It's not realistic and it doesn't provide any understanding whatsoever in the creative value many people provide. It pisses me off that I don't know how to get the educational system to open up more to different perspectives.... The Si-dom/aux is too heavy for me... Maybe in the future I find a way, but many 'more intelligent' people have gone before me, and failed. I still think that I'll find some progression in this field, but it's difficult..
I'm an INTP. I'm horrible at following through on things. But not doing so also makes me feel bad. Obviously not bad enough to actually follow through, but it seems to affect my self esteem. Oftentimes I will find myself buried by the things I have not followed through and the anxiety can be crippling. I have no mechanism to deal with this other than burying it like everything else.
Yep! What helped me was realizing that put nearly ZERO thought into problem solving for MYSELF 🤯 As an INTP I found that I had to find methods of tricking myself into doing certain things.. at least until they became habits. I still do that to this day! I’m not going to tell you that I’m like a busy bee with a schedule and I’m always running around and have everything in order 😆 BUT for the most part I have everything important down… like the main main main few things that are important. From a J’s perspective there could be lots of improvement but I’ve got it down for myself. There’s that INTP “system” in play and my life is pretty neatly set up to allow me freedom. I’m in my thirties so there’s that. I’d say things started falling into place in my late twenties
As an INTP it’s hugely hugely hugely important to get a hold of those annoying things we hate like cleaning and feeding ourselves and just dOiNG haha. And don’t be afraid to be ridiculous in your methods to getting your own self to do it. Alsoooo… forget getting down anything perfectly. That’s actually a biggie. Just DO some shit. Anything. Even if you don’t finish it. I should say… clear out the clutter! Whatever that means to you… put shit where you always look for it and allow yourself space to move about as you wander about in your mind
Ok I know that’s all very broad and/or vague 🧐 I just meant… building some type of prototype mechanism for dealing with it. It will be many years in the making… forever… but becomes more efficient with time and life input 🤓
"buried by the things I have not followed through and the anxiety can be crippling"
My #1 tactic to deal with that is simply to take on far fewer projects or tasks. Ni Na's suggestions are all good, especially decluttering and organized placement, both of which tie in with the fewer tasks approach.
You may need to go nuclear to get out from under-ie abandon all the unfinished stuff-but only when you have a new low-stress approach solidified.
INFPS feel your pain here this is my biggest struggle in life
Having Ni in the critical parent position can be really debilitating for both INTP and INFP. We already believe we don't deserve the things we earn, but that's exaggerated any time we fall short on a goal or task.
I know this spiral all too well. I've found to combat this, I allow my anxiety of letting things slip actually drive me to get things done and not procrastinate. I find If I focus on a few important items at a time and attack them like a dog with a bone, I get things done. Getting things done helps me feel accomplished and makes it easy to keep going on the next task. The downside to this method is when dealing with people who are barriers to success, I can get very impatient with them when I'm in this groove. If you develop the habit of doing tasks right away and not put it off, your Si child will want to keep doing it this way and you will feel anxious if you do put it off.
I think that many INTPs have the genius complex. Most of them were told how intelligent they are their whole life, but they are lazy and so they often don't study or prepare. If they still get a good grade, they think that they're a genius, but if they fail, they say to themselves "If I would've studied more, this would've been so easy".
Unfortunately I don't remember a lot of the stuff I crammed for at the last minute so exams are wasted learning in many ways
@@louisejoel Yes, I agree. If I don’t care about it, I forget very quickly again.
@@bagel7080 I forget even if I do care. Always wanted a photographic memory, have met someone who remembers everything they read so they win every quiz they do.
@@louisejoel Wouldn’t that be cool? I always forget where my stuff is and so I spent way too much time searching something only to find it in the most obvious place in the end.
@@bagel7080 An external hard drive complete with a database and wirelessly connected to the brain would be great, oh and one you can disconnect at any time.
I tend to realise I've actually hurt someone's feelings after the conversation has ended (especially if im suddenly thrown into a conversation and haven't had time to prepare.) Only then can i move my focus from listening to processing and when i realize how i actually acted i feel unbelievably shit about.
Except people never know we feel bad about it and generally don't like us. It's kind of liberating in a farcical way when someone was on the fence about you, balancing awkwardly and you finally get that resolution by tipping the balance unintentionally. We need our own planet at this point.
@@louisejoel we'll design and plan a space ship and a way to terraform some inhospitable planet into a second earth but then get bored and start researching about how to grow tomatoes with maximum efficiency in a subtropical climate.
Never related more.
@@louisejoel Damn. Didn't expect that to hit home so hard lol...
The people who know me have had to get used to me contacting them hours after a conversation with a text that starts with "It just occurred to me that what said earlier sounded rude. Please let me clarify..." So people think I'm weird but they don't think I'm a jerk! It has the added benefit of shortening the amount of time I spend feeling like crap. Also as an added benefit I found out that people don't generally hold my bluntness against me or think I'm as rude as I think I am.
I've just recently discovered that I'd been mistyped for an INTJ, while actually being INTP. I have no idea why it took me 7 months, but all that time something felt off for me (maybe because those types don't share a SINGLE function). Happy to join the INTP gang B)
@@carlyellison8498 16 personalities and a bit myself I guess
Mbti is not about personality traits. It is about functions. Ti dom and Ni dom is two polar things. I recommend you to discover socionics, INTJ there is INTP here
The only thing these 2 share in common is the desire to be left alone and their almost exclusive rational view of the world. The way they use their rationality is nowhere similar to each other though. Just as you said, because they don't share any functions.
I was mistyped for ESFP lol
@Blake Dao Not a big deal. Regarding INFJ: in socionics exactly this type has Fi dom. Therefore, INFJ in mbti is INFP in socionics. INFP's dominant function is time intuition (Ni). The type is nearly not as rare as it is demonstrated in MBTI. Any sort of statistics about population of personality types is bullsh!t btw.
About your second question: for example there are ENTP and ENTJ. The first one has Ne dom, the second one has Te dom. Rational (judjing ) types have dominant T or F functions. Irrational (perceiving) types have dominant N or S, but in mbti INTJ's dom function is Ni. It is extremely illogical, isn't it? In addition, in mbti INTP's dom function is structural intelligence (Ti), but how can perceiving type of personality, that has "I'll do it how I feel" in common more than "I'll do it properly and correct" be Ti dom? The same thing with ISTP and ISTJ. I hope the information is valuable and will help people to type first with functions, then with traits
I've found that having multiple reward systems, besides main stream education, which reassure you of your intelligence and aptitude essential to maintaining momentum as an INTP, be it hobbies or personal projects. I think it's dangerous when a type that places so much value in their intellect can unwisely lose faith in themselves and feel lost in a kind of identity crisis, which can cruelly solidify what was a once a false idea of underachievement, now making it a reality. If an INTP can learn to roll with the punches and utilise whatever outlets to keep moral high I believe they can avoid alot of their pitfalls and be excellent at defying their stereotype essentially splitting INTP's into two categories when it come to those who have the tenacity and drive to constantly improve and those who keel over when their bubble of identity is first burst.
Yes I agree completely. I also think its where the INTP gamer stereotype comes from, since games are so good at dishing rewards out and reassuring players of their progress and ability at multiple points of the game. In comparison, school isnt really like that, and often good grades are more often an expectation and a relief over a reward for many.
Could not agree mire
That's why INTPs should always have, in every place, a way to activate their ENTJ shadow. I've only achieve this through competition. Wherever i can make friends to compete with i can try my best and shine, but in places where competition is not so valued or where it is not as straight forward i just feel like worse than shit, like i'm just nothing. We NEED to boost our own ego, or else we simply do not function.
Well you can’t do that, you can’t force me to enjoy something and if I don’t enjoy it I don’t try
As an INTP I have struggled with communication my entire life. My natural instinct is to respond truthfully and efficiently, and until someone pointed it out I wasn't aware that this is perceived as rude and blunt. Now I watch how other people react emotionally while conversing and I try to mimic them. I also find it hard to interpret other people's feelings, which is why I fake everything just to not offend anyone. But honestly, sometimes I'd rather be seen as a rude, emotionless robot than to live with the fact that I'm faking who I am just so I can seem normal.
Welcome to my world….
I relate to this so much. I hate not being true to myself
I feel like a liar when faking concern for others emotional discharges when I think the situation is overblown or trivial. I keep reminding myself that if I didn't do that others would reject me as cold and unfeeling. Can't count the times in my past when I have been accused of having no feelings so whatever they do to me doesn't count as mean, dishonest or nasty. It makes life easier- mostly. It is best to not respond to offenses or slights. Keeps a situation from escalating when you know you have to deal with an unpleasant person on a regular basis. That doesn't mean getting walked on, but behaving like their actions cannot touch you or that they are not important enough to notice. Works. Makes me work harder for alone time. Fortunately I have friends who are fun to be with, but I still don't say what I really think.
this is soo me
the first thing that came to mind was literally socializing
I did a project with an intp( whom I still speak to.. rarely) on creating a functioning program. We talked about nothing for the first 2 hrs and and wrote the entire program in less than a half hour. It was awesome. I feel like intp are really the one of the only types I can actually relate to. (Infp)
Infp are really awesome ppl
- an intp
One of my best friends is an INFP. We really get carried away talking about random things. Usually video games or movies or things that aren't based on reality. We create debates on things just to bounce ideas back and forth. Those conversations can trail on forever because your ideas influence each other and change and offer new questions that could change things further.
The biggest thing I've learned as an intp is to accept and understand my emotions which I usually ignore and just go by logic no matter what thinking it's for the best. It's only recently that I understood emotions are just as important as logic.
I wish I could feel my emotions to even have an option
I agree. If you don't deal with them and keep burying them, eventually they pile up too much until you're forced to under incredible amounts of stress and/or pain. It's very difficult for INTPs to get help as well, from maybe a therapist or friend with this weakness of dealing with and processing their own feelings (8th slot cognitive function Fi). After being accustomed to trusting our own (logical) decisions over others, it takes a lot of humility and can be downright terrifying.
And you probably came to that conclusion logically lol
As a INTP myself I found emotional intelligence, can mean more than having a high I.Q! This life is hard to get through. INTPs love information, they should strive to be well rounded. As far as there passion for information can stretch out. E.I is a good world to get into! There’s plenty of information there. Ease the INTPs problems in people misunderstanding them.
I'm ready to go off grid and find a real cave at this point in my subsistence
My INTP sister was in special Ed throughout school. She was labeled as someone who had a learning disability. She is very smart. She has taken and excelled in Physics and Neuroscience classes in college. Now she is learning coding. She never got a degree because she feels at a certain point, she has gotten what she wanted to get out of those classes. They definitely learn for the sake of learning.
4:23 "When something is solved in theory, they don't necessarily feel the need to solve it in reality"
Work smart, not hard. INTP's know it's not an efficient use of time to work on something that has already been solved. Give them a challenge to solve, praise their results and drag the project over the finish line. Rejoice!
It's more about testing whether we are capable of something, than if we know we are we know a recipe and never do it unless we really have to.
As an INTP I can say the secret to my success is the fact that I have surrounded myself with ENFJs. They believe in you and encourage you so much, that the guilt of not living up to the potential that they see in you overcomes the INTP apathy and decision paralysis.
I felt called out. I'm (Infj) the proud aunt of a Intp and I'm like her source of encouragement, matter of fact I'm researching her MBTI so I have more understanding of her way of navigating this world and to develop tools to help her and be better for her in general. You Intp people are awesome, I admire a lot of things of you but it seems to me like you are unable to see that awesomeness that you exude and your own potential, let me tell from an outside perspective: you people are amazing!!
Xnfjs (and maybe isfjs too) are truly the most encouraging people for us intps
@@cresheer310 I have an ESTP boss who is helping me. Not a fan of any SFJ.
My closest friend that is also my coach is an amazing person. He believes in me and doesn't allow me to make excuses. He's constantly asking me what my goals are and doesn't allow me to say u don't have any. He forces me to pick something and consistently asks me what steps I'm taking to be better. I love that man.
@@lunade13 Best of luck with your niece! You have no idea how important the INFJ's admiration, respect, and encouragement is to an INTP. The xNFJ may be the only types that can really get through and make a difference to a young INTP. Even if you don't fully understand them, it is the unconditional admiration and acceptance that makes all the difference. (Virtually no one else understands them or accepts them - including teachers, classmates, friend's parents, their own parents for that matter, co-workers, bosses, significant others... It is a lifelong curse.) As one of the comments below says, "Give them a challenge to solve, praise their results, and (help/encourage them to) drag the project over the finish line." Just make sure they are always challenged and stimulated!! Find out what challenges and stimulates her, and take it to the next level. But know that once it is mastered in their mind or in reality, she may leave it behind and quickly move on to the next challenge. So don't necessarily invest in, say, a $2000 guitar, for example - just because her interest is intense at the moment, it could completely vanish in the blink of an eye when she moves on to the next challenge! As one INTP once said, "I ordered all the available books on the topic I was currently obsessed with, and by the time they arrived, I had already mastered it to my satisfaction and moved onto the next thing."
Oh, the horrors of the lower education system. There was half a year I didn't turn in homework. I nearly failed the class in high school. I did the homework every night, but then I wouldn't be able to find the completed paper in the 2 minutes allowed to look for it at the beginning of class. The poor teacher was so confused as I aced every test in class. INTP
Yeah, I have a friend that is probably and INTP as he knows the stuff really well and is quite smart, yet fails all of his classes by not turning in assignments. As an INFP, I have had my own struggles with school, but not in the same sense. I hate how it is restricting and uniform, but I am able to pass classes because I tell myself I need too for both my mental image and social image.
Yep. I think the only way to surmount this issue is to change the goal, which currently is the random turn in your work so it can be judged, into something like all work completed AND turned in by Friday noon or no partying on the weekend. That is, get rid of the artificiality that you don't care about and creat a new one, each week if necessary, to get things turned in.
It's a balancing act between loving to learn and experience, and also performing routine tasks that produce something sometimes not directly related to learning such as homework. This doesn't stop after high school or college. :)
I once was so late in handing in a mid-term assignment for English, that I just gave up and flat-out refused to do it. I ended up whipping something up in a very short amount of time on the teacher's insistence, after around 2 months (quite certain she was aware of my abilities) and got quite a high score, a fact that seemed to make some other students very resentful indeed (and understandably so!)
When it comes on to school, classes weren't the issue for me it was studying & test. I personally loved class structure cause I know left to my own I wouldn't have got anything done. I hate test I don't see the point of them though, they claim it for understanding purposes but if something why when you get something wrong isn't it gone over with you individually too see where your wrong. They would say time consuming so why bother with the test in the first place
My issue is studying. In fact, I may even prefer tests to classes as I get to finally apply my knowledge and do some in depth analysis. But the thing about the exam system, is that I think it’s a method that tries to understand abilities in a very limited way. I believe there are multiple types of intelligence, yet exams focus on just one type. It’s just a means to see who is academically motivated/intelligent and who isnt
Taking baby steps into trying something physically, and being persistent has been my approach to an INTP’s general apathy towards a subject after understanding it.
It feels hard to start on a project, idea, or plan that isn’t a great desire without it, but it helps me to get involved with still in someway. I like to think of it like building up traction until you reach a point where you can keep going at it, because it is almost practically reality by then, and you would like to see it. Sorta like taking vitamins in the morning.
If you could somehow become really good friends with an INTJ or an ENTJ, I feel like you could actually create a power team. You come with the ideas and with a lot of hypothetical ways of approaching the goals and INTJ or ENTJ will make sure to get it done in the shortest amount of time. This sounds cool but it's much harder than it sounds lol.
This is kind of a venting message for me... Please don't mind if it seems like a bunch of nonsense...
1. I hate schools and I managed to convince my parents to let me homeschool and study on my own through Khan Academy and Books. I would love to set up my own study material, and organize a schooling system that works well for me. Would be great if I could arrange the duration of each subject and the day at which I would be studying certain subjects. I am free to work harder on subjects I wish to excel in and it allows me the time I require to understand certain topics. ALL OF THIS WITHOUT FEARING EXAMS AND WITHOUT GRINDING OUT THE DAY BEFORE EXAMS.
2. I tend to not consider people's emotions (unless they really matter to me) but whenever I do IDK how the fuck I must respond lol.
3. The thing about me is that I dream so much and plan so much but never execute anything. Im planning my upcoming days and I really hope to follow it.
Edit: I seriously hate how some bastards make the stupidest analogies to support their point, when the analogical example and their point(s) are completely unrelated and can not be compared. One can't respond to stupid analogies or prove the wrong in any verbal manner, as it is too obvious to a point where it's not explainable and certainly enigmatic. Im here in India, which is a place full of what I like to call "analogical fucking bastards" or "analogical idiots", these dudes literally can't understand shit without analogies, and would believe anything said analogically seemingly justified. Is this an INTP thing or is it just the same for all humans or am I crazy?
I too detest traditional schooling. So much wasted time on useless information. Not altogether useless, but useless in that most people will never need to know that level of head math for example.
I have to practice responses to emotional things. That or take a significant amount of time to process what’s being said so I can figure out how to deal with it but I have to break it down into logical pieces to solve an emotional conversation or situation.
I am constantly day dreaming. It gets me through what is often monotony. But also day dreaming about tasks and projects and solving things I will put into practice.
@@leatherman8357 nice to meet you fellow INTP
@@dhruvdust1812 likewise!
yeah, the only reason i bother to continue traditional school is because 1. everyone expects at least a high school degree, if i dont get one i could face some kind of discrimination 2. my family wont let me drop out (which is somewhat reasonable)
@@sirtetris I mean, depends where you are living, in certain countries one can find an adequately paying job for negligible educational qualification and in others, also the financial status of one's family matters quite a bit... I am currently living in India and homeschooling would be a disastrous idea if I were not planning a settlement abroad. My parents are willing to pay for all the travel expenses which is why I can study all I want for the next few years and then go to some other country where I can make a living.
And honestly, schools and colleges are just for the money, one can gain all the knowledge a school can provide alone, but all parents what a nice certificate which will be used to get admission in a college which will also just provide a nice certificate which then allows you to get a job...
School sucks man, I feel you
seriously, i complained so hard about the education system exactly because of this
I grew up in a boarding and close knit school where everyone knew everyone. It helped me a lot to develop interpersonal relations. I know now that I can connect with people easily if I want to but most times I don't. You just have to push past your boundaries and be okay with being yourself and showing it. I think rejection is the most scary thing to intps but if you can say fuck it, fuck the world I will be myself and if you don't like it, I am okay with that too. You will come across as confident, cute and mature(my real friends tell me that all the time.)
It's so true. Forgetting this is the worst thing I think I've ever done. I learned to appreciate myself when I wanted to stop hating everyone else. I convinced myself that everyone had SOMETHING to offer, and in turn, I realized that I too was someone and had something to offer to others. So, if I was ever putting my truest self out there, and someone tried to tear me down, it was their problem, not mine. As long as I was being nice and helpful, but assertive, I could do no wrong in being myself.
Easier said than done, I'd say it takes a while to get used to putting yourself out there. Despite knowing my fears are wholly irrational and nonsensical my anxiety still leaves me deeply unsettled when trying to push past boundaries and even express myself.
As an intp with adhd, I find that if I can find one small thing to enjoy in the midst of bullshit the education system has to offer, I feel a little satisfied.
I was homeschooled most of my life. It was awesome. I got to just sit around my house and read. The most annoying thing was math, because I had to spend time practicing the problems. It was far more fun once I reached algebra.
During my second half of highschool, I was enrolled part time in an academy program. That essentially means that I was given access to various science classes such as biogeography and zoology. (Including shadowing opportunities.)
Currently, I'm at college.
I see a lot of benefits to self learning and the education system.
Self learning
Pros:
- Work at your own pace. You have time to absorb all the details or learn something extra.
- No one cares about homework for most subjects. They know you're learning because you keep telling them "Did you know this?" "What if this happened instead?" (Most subjects still had tests)
- You get to grade most of your own work. (The stuff that had an answer key anyway. Not essays or short answers.) This teaches you integrity, and reveals that the grades don't matter if you don't learn anything. Plus, you can check what you got wrong and use it as an opportunity to continue learning. Because you have time for that.
- You can sleep in and snack whenever you want.
Cons:
- It's all on you. Ultimately, you decide how much work to do AND how much work you *should* do. You'll either overburden yourself or slack off. Sometimes you'll overburden yourself so much that you give up and slack off and spend the next month binging TV and video games.
- You and others may doubt your education because there is no one outside of your household to vouch for it's authenticity. How are colleges supposed to know if you know enough to keep learning? *cough*sarcasm*cough* (But then you rank in the top 10% in every standardized test you take, so it must mean you know something.)
- You either become very good or very bad at time management. It depends how motivated you are in things that exist outside of the house. (INTP = no motivation and bad time management. My INTJ friend is the complete opposite.)
- Your taxpayer dollars are funding the schools and you don't take advantage of it. Instead, you spend even more money on schoolbooks and field trips.
The education system
Pros:
- You have a set amount of material to go through and homework to finish. You don't have to worry about doing enough, but not too much. That's your teacher's job.
- There is a person (aka, the teacher) that judges you on everything and makes sure you do your stuff on time.
- Everything is standardized, so it's really easy to tell who is the best. Better than anyone else. Because that's so important to know. Also, it's not like there are several teachers who teach the same class, but give out different homework and have different rules on grading. Nu-uh.
- Teachers show you all sorts of new learning tools and websites. Have a question about this subject? Look for books by this company! Want to know more about this? Here's an awesome website!
- Schools can afford to organize extracurriculars that would be very difficult to get involved in as a homeschooler. Band, theater, or even something like a pottery class. Depending on where you live, these are possible for homeschoolers, but schools make it much cheaper and more convenient.
- Networking.
- You're required to focus. Maybe you don't learn as much or as well, but you learn the important stuff instead of the random stuff. (Until someone makes a revolutionary discovery and all of that random stuff becomes very important.)
Cons:
- You'll eventually realize that all anyone cares about are the grades. So then you start finding loopholes and ways to do the minimum amount of work while still getting good grades. You don't care if your work is quality, so long as it's decent. And you don't care about knowing the subject, so long as you can retain the information that will be on the test. But this discourages additional research.
- You're forced to write far too many papers. (The pros and cons of paper writing is actually very similar to the pros and cons of self learning vs standardized learning.) But at a certain point, the amount of papers you write does not benefit you more that writing a smaller number of papers. All it does is waste time.
- The class size becomes so big that you don't have opportunities to know your teacher, so you care less about impressing them, which removes one of the biggest pros of the education system.
That's all I can think of right now.
Productivity hack:
Overcome perfectionism by simply labeling your project a "beta" (Google does this), allowing you to present it "prematurely" (no one but you can likely see the faults) for purposes of feedback.
Ugh.... sentencing in the morning be like.
3:05 I'm really happy this was brought up, as an INTP myself, it was really hard for me to understand communication and taking account of other people's emotions, my inferioror Fe was basically non-existent. (When I started school and didn't have any friends, I found the spare change in my house and gave money to kids to try to get them to like me lol).
I felt really lonely when I began maturing and getting more of a personality, but I finally became self-aware when I met one of my best friends who is an Fi dom. (ISFP, to be specific). They taught me to understand my own feelings a lot better and to be a lot less impulsive in general, and ever since I became friends with them my Fe has developed so much, and even though they didn't come naturally to me, I finally have social skills and I have a lot of friends.
Now I'm often mistyped as an Fi user because a lot of the social skills I developed came from my love of my XXFP friends, who were also left out like I was, but managed to take pride in their individuality, and empathize with each other. I've gotten significantly better at reading other people and understanding what they want, even though I'm still oblivious to my own emotions a lot of the time.
As an INTP in school, I prefer online learning because you basically have to teach yourself. Being online is 'difficult' so they don't care too much how you go about things. There's more flexibility and it means I can dive into things where I want to and race ahead where I don't, very ideal. The only bad thing is you still have to keep to the rigid schedule of classes.
I'm one of those rare INTPs that did very well at school. But it was likely due to the fact I took a very non-traditional route (homeschooled K-12, online college for all four years). Very glad I did too!
For me thinking about something or how to do something takes so much mental energy (and sometimes emotional) that by the time I figure it out or am satisfied with my conclusion I don't have enough energy left to actually do it.. 😓
INTPs are overpowered when taking action
and underpowered when they have no reason to do so.
As a person on the internet once said: " I like people who both: hate themselves with a burning passion and think they could effortlessly surpass god at the exact same time"
I learned this myself, you can really do almost anything. Perfect your social skills, do apply for that job or internship, go do the things you thought about doing, but didn't. Time is now!
@@grov3823 I'm also an INTP, and i can certify that your finding is true for me also
I think so too-- as long as they aren't in the self doubting mode. The constant search for conceits, and rapidly filtering many options can delay execution, which others might mistake as incompetence. But in flow I think INTPs kick butt.
@@NerdyCatCoffeeee yes I am beyond your reach hahahah
The most difficult thing in the world for me has been people who see communication as just a pleasant, meaningless sussuration of noise as opposed to a goal-oriented pursuit of an idea to some sort of useful, rational conclusion that can then be generalized or abstracted meaningfully. My mom is ... let's just say not an INTP. And I most emphatically am. I'm 55 and I still can't have a conversation with her that doesn't leave me drained, disoriented, and frustrated because I want to have a conversation that GOES SOMEWHERE and she just wants to ... talk. Aimlessly. To me, it feels like I keep putting out feelers and she keeps completely ignoring what I'm saying and swatting them aside. To her, she has no clue WTF I get frustrated after about 10 minutes of talking.
She is 87 and lives with me. I have lived alone for my entire adult life up to this point. If I am still sane in ten years, it'll be a wonder.
Yes, I do love my mother. But damn.
INTP. I don't think we suffer in school the most out of the 16 types but the thing is:
1: *Complete* Lack of motivation and engagement in otherwise important activities.
2: *Way to much* intuition/abstract thinking at the point of being impractical.
3: Low Fe, Se trickster and all that it implies.
4: Leaning at our own pace.
5: Annoying, nonsensical and seen by the INTP as unnecessary rules.
6: The professor being a hierarchical and unquestionable figure sometimes.
7: And the *disruptive* , *iconoclast* and sometimes *contrarian* Nature of the INTP.
Are things that don't mix very well. Yes we can thrive in logic based subjects like math and stuff but other's subjects homework can be seen as redundant.
Like "professor I understand this please give a test and end my suffering".
In my highschool years all the teachers said the same thing, i summed up too much and didn't write anything down so I only got bad grades in "carpeta" (they reviewed what I wrote in class, I don't know if you have that in the states) but excelled at tests because I actually understood it. Only one teacher actually saw what was going on and it was a nice experience but the point is... We are the genius but lazy stereotype and the also applies in school.
PD: sorry for bad English, not my first language.
I have struggled to get things done.
The Pomodoro technique where you set a timer has been a game-changer for me. It forces me to focus on the important things.
That being said, I have seemed to found my way onto RUclips rather than doing the work I was meant to be doing
The pomodoro technique doesn't work for me in the slightest.
I’ve never heard of this technique but I understand the word timer. I’d break that bastard first time it told me to do anything.
@@carlyellison8498 Josh Chen does a different Pomodoro where he works for longer and takes a long break. I think it's 2 hours of work and 30 minutes of a break.
@@carlyellison8498 nothing can force you until you force yourself....this is what I learnt from some bad experiences. I have forced myself to study for atleast 20min and after that I automatically generate interest in that subject and finish it. You can do the same by pomodoro technique. It really works.
@@carlyellison8498 what are you implying?
YES! I had the hardest time typing myself.
I am a very emotional person and can be very empathetic. So reading that INTPs ‘don’t get emotion’ or ‘are not very emotion based’ confused me early on
It's possible to overcome the shyness and be more expressive when you're given the social space to be open and flex that emotional weak point constructively. INTP's do like having friends, just few, and time with them can make us less "robotic". It also helps to acknowledge that emotions exist (despite being wholly counterproductive most of the time). While we can't read a room or a person for shit, it's nice to have a handy 'in case of x' index card in our brain to handle when/if we figure it out. My cards mostly say "shut up, listen, do not fix".
I’m learning Ancient Greek, how to knapp obsidian glass into Aztec death weapons and the patterns in human initiation rituals across the planet all at the same time. 😁 life is delicious.
as an INTP I realized how to go around all these weaknesses by using it as a game. In uni I realized everyone loved to be social, so I used my time there to study and observe who can be like minded or close to what I need to move forward. Then I picked those people and went about befriending them as a mini puzzle and got them to be my friends and learned their best weakness and strengths. Now long after uni is done I try to cover for their weaknesses by giving them advice when they ask and help them get better and in return they do all my leg work and daily real life tasks that I hate doing. They are also usually my spoke ppl in social events so I can just sit back and enjoy myself as now they find me new potential friends and do that area.
pro tip for anyone who goes about this method: pick your lover as someone who enjoys doing daily tasks like cooking and cleaning while having many other skills as well. If you can help your lover with their problems, they'll be more than happy to cook for you and feed you when you have forgotten to eat for a day.
I've found that, when navigating emotional situations, more often than not the following apply:
People don't necessarily want to verbally dissect something, especially if the emotions are fresh; when they say they want to talk about something, they mean airing out how they feel, not necessarily finding a solution, or at least not immediately.
People just want you to listen to what they have to say, for the most part. They don't want an intellectual discussion about it. You can say that you disagree, but wait to explain why until they ask you. When you do hit the discussion part, make sure you stipulate you do value their perspective, so they don't feel attacked, and that you appreciate their passions, so they don't feel belittled.
Wow!! I'm happy to know that somebody understood this and put it out on here. I really appreciate it.
Even I could not understand why I didn't wanted immediate solutions about the emotions I talked about. I thought I was being irrational. But no, being heard and understood is the most comforting solution. Then comes the other solutions to deal with stuff. It's just like, getting your wounds treated and resting first and then later, finding ways to avoid getting hurt. That's how we learn, through pain. We should allow ourselves to feel pain. ~INFJ
INTP here. I always had trouble in school with subjects that didn't interest me. I would always get lost in space thinking of other things. When it came to a subject I found interesting I would do very well. For example I hated science class but when it came to biology I found it incredibly interesting so I did very well in that class. My science teacher was shocked that I did so well. Did anyone else have people tell them they just needed to apply themselves and basically it was their fault they weren't doing well because they were being lazy?
I did get that in high school because I had pretty low grades most of the time and was known to be an edgy and lazy teenager, so my classmates had a pretty low opinion of me. But every now and then I'd be top of the class only because the subject matter was interesting to me and the puzzled look on my classmates' faces was priceless. I've had some teachers tell me to make efforts once they understood that this was the reason why I was failing, but I guess I was too busy finding reasons why I thought their class was useless in my mind to actually listen to them.
only all.the.time.
Honestly, as an INTP, I struggle with deadlines but at the same time I can get good grades with much less effort than my peers. I used to think everyone in my class was just stupid and lazy because I would get good grades without really trying. But then I realized that other people really do try.
A wise man once said there aren't enough words in the any human dictionary to describe what I'm thinking he also said I'm too busy thinking of what I will do to actually do it
My little brother is an INTP. I to this day remember when he started primary school he would spend hours on homework figuring out how to write answers using the least amount of letters. He hated writing :D I've actually seen it back then as a sign of great problem solving skills - even tho the problem was self-invented :D
Self-inventing problems... and solving them... and somehow becoming more efficient because of it. Yup, that is an INTP to me.
Only key to happiness: build your safety net, and work as an independent on something you like, is the only option for us so it seems…🤷🏻♀️
I think one of the biggest mindset changes that helped me get into gear and actually start taking action was applying (perhaps misapplying) the law that objects in motion stay in motion. I work hard not to allow myself to stagnate as this results in all my responsibilities getting derailed. I do this by trying to constantly indulge my curiosity about new things. I love trying and learning new things, which helps me actually get out of the house. I also recommend looking into flow states- there are activities and exercises that take your mind to an interesting and very peaceful place. For me, this is hiking or mountain biking. Boxing can also accomplish this. Watching Love Who videos is also oddly soothing as well as mentally stimulating, but that’s an aside.
As for solving the riddle of human interaction- try to learn how to incorporate other peoples’ feelings into the equation. At times it makes no sense, but humans are operating systems that run on purely biological matter. As smart as we are, we all run on chemicals and electrical signals. This helped me learn to forgive the how illogically people can seem to think and feel. In some ways, it’s much more impressive that we are able to be logical at all considering that we are just highly organized compositions of biological material. Use your talents in observation and data collection to study the people around you and identify the emotions they are displaying. The attempt to show a little kindness goes a long way, I have found.
Final point- take care of your body. This ties back to the previous points - we are computers made of chemicals and flesh, so in theory it makes sense that well-cared for hardware will better support the software it runs. Exercise and get that blood flowing, it really helps get out of mental ruts and combat depressive thoughts. Love, an INTP
I learnt more in the school library than the classroom
You are my favourite YT channel for sharing videos to family and friends who don't understand my ways of thinking, or why I simply will, or will not do something in a "normal" way. 🙃
when I was little, I thought the only people who truly understood were my parents. Yet I always felt _something_ was lacking... It was only a few months ago that I found out about the MBTI and boy oh boy my life has changed. Never did I even dream that a website would know more about me than my own parents. Glad to be part of this community
So accurate. Once I have conquered an idea/challenge/life goal in my cranium, I'm generally satisfied.
INTP here. I really had to trick myself throughout school to get work done. I hated elementary school more than all other grade levels. It was the worst. I learned how to read by the time I was almost 3 years old, and then kind of taught myself to read Spanish by the time I was about 6 years old. In elementary they asked if I wanted to be in the GT class and I said no. I was so bored but I really only had to do very little effort to make A's.
In my fantasy world I win the lottery and I'm able to take all the classes I want with no real end goal for a career just learning about things that actually interest me. Basically Buster Bluth.
INTP here and the only strategy I've come up with is that doing while you're thinking/analysing.
I'm a writer so whenever I'm analysing something or learning something... I make sure to take notes and/immediately writing it down. It slows down my thoughts, and allows me time to take action while thinking so by the time I can say I understand something... I have also put it down on paper and in a way taken action.
Similarly.. when it comes to decisons and tasks I think on them only a little at a time while addressing other things. I also take on several different tasks at the same time so that I don't feel like solving something immediately. I can switch between these "mysteries" and work on each a little at a time. So I stay stimulated but also relaxed. True a lot of the times theres no routine to it (my circadian cycle is non existent) but when there is .. what a grandly satisfying strategy this is.
several different tasks at the same time if i don't feel like solving it immediately, i get you, i relax and enjoy my processes of thought, i love problem solving but i don't struggle - i flip around and then voila! i've worked out the problem or best approach i need to take.
I’m in my first year at university and can’t stop thinking about dropping out and starting a career and learning from that. Learning still seems to be a lot like memorisation and regurgitating that information rather than applying it to real events. I’m glad you’ve considered a developed fe, I think I developed it thanks to my mum and past relationship. Also turning into an adult helped. I don’t disregard my feelings and emotions, but i prioritise logic, reasoning and fairness higher. I used to think I was entp because of this developed fe, but I am constantly trying to analyse everything in my head and am often seen as absent-minded
and to deal with the issue of coming to insight and not taking action is that I don’t deal with it. This is my biggest struggle and imagine that external help from a tj type to encourage me to do so would be best, but I’m not sure
As an INTP I find that the best way to navigate through all of this weaknesses is to use logic to solve them :) if you struggle with communication then create your own system and rules of how to approach it. Or at least think about it as learning, and how those problems will bring new knowledge to your library or thoughts that will one day be useful.
Sounds like an INFJ. Would love a video on your opinion re: the similarities between those two types.
yeah Ni-Se is definitely more of an autodidact than Ne-Si. Si loves conventional process to learning.
@@satoshinakamoto5710 lol what? Somehow ni paired with se inferior is stronger in self learning that ne-si on stable positions with ti hero? Are you joking? Why do you think that autodidact way of learning has nothing to do with conventiality? HOW can a learning system exist without it at all? You do understand that ti paired with si is an amazing mechanism for building your own systems based on the principles of accuracy and specificity? The conventionality of si meets any crystallized principles of the individual, regardless of where they came from, and not just social standards. And god, its paired with ti hero in intp, well of course it will obey its own system of information perception. And that's the exact reason why intps dislike other systems. They always already have their own.
Remember, ni is not a critic, and ni demonizes se. Besides, ti paired with ne is just way better at learning, and si only helps by storing concrete info. Ne-Si is literally the process of learning itself if ne stands higher that si. You grab all the new info, analyze it, and then it goes to your storage. And, well, ti hero.
Intp is a whole system in which ti sorts information, ne consumes new information and si stores old information. And mind you, I don't even mention the inferior function, fe.
And then infj, ni+FE+ti+se. Lol wat :D
Lol I LOVE your videos on INTP!! In my opinion, you have the very best understanding of the type out of all the MBTI RUclipsrs. My partner is INTP, and your assessments are always spot on ;) Its funny to sit here and tell him "OMG THIS IS LITERALLY YOU" and to see him squirm. I'm not sure he appreciates your accuracy. He likes to see himself as "mysterious" I think xD
As an INTP I can relate
Good morning! I’m watching this at 1:30AM. 😂 It’s very interesting to learn about the INTP as an INFJ who was raised by an INTP mother. Though we’re quite different, we do share some traits that I’ve picked up from her, simply from being around her and taking my cues from her so much. Thanks for making these videos, they provide great questions to think about and discuss with my mom (one of her favorite pastimes). ❤️
I've been in college for 6 years and I'm barely past my associates. I've taken things very slowly and had to take a couple classes over because they just seemed so pointless that I didn't even bother to do the first assignments but I'm still required to do them for a wholly unrelated degree. At this point I've genuinely spent more time out of school learning things and just cheat on tests, quizzes, homework, etc. Because it's stupidly, absurdly easy to do so and leaves more time to do other stuff I'm actually interested. Hell, the only reason I'm still in school is because I haven't been financially successful enough to live alone in my city and my parents are the "You're either in school or working two jobs" type.
At this point I'm on the verge of renting a closet just to physically remove myself from the expectation that an oversturated market of college educated people justifies a piece of paper.
I did the same exact thing. It's unfortunate how bad this can look to others, but whatever. It was painful to force myself through all that nonsense and the pointless tasks.
That last part about being a "super intuitive"....I have long doubted being an INTP because I felt like my intuition was at the intensity of that of an Ni dom, I'm very into mythology/spitrituality/religion/etc. I can be very sociable & friendly (though I get drained quickly). When I discovered the 4 sides of the mind model, in addition to having been raised by two people who possess Fe I see why in social situations with those that I like I can become almost like an ESFJ, since that is our subconscious.
i am an intp with as much high Ni as Ne, i use Ni pretty often too. However Ne still pairs with Ti to cause living inside my world, but when it comes to socializing and deciding things, i use Ti and Ne,along with Ni
@@nova-a7404 Ni is our (and INFPs) "critic" function so it does play a big role in our decision making.
Usually Ni is usually our 3rd or 4th strongest function, so no wonder one being self-aware of his own Ni. I'd say for most of us it is stronger than Te.
My brother calls my cave my gerbil cage. It fits.
On the education point ... I came to a realisation the other week about my education experiences (now in my mid-40s).
At school, there was no gratitude if I did the work to get the grade. I knew I'd understood it, I could prove it in conversation with the teacher, I felt no need to earn a grade.
First time at college, was pretty similar. Second time (mid-twenties) was quite different, I was helping some other folks in a group I'd found myself in and somehow was also teacher's assistance and student rep, so I had obligations to do stuff and gratitude for such, which completely changed how I dealt with it.
That's typically how I function in life. If there's no one to benefit or they're so detached as to be deniable, I probably won't put in the effort. If someone will be negatively impacted by my lack of effort, I'll put the effort in (frustratingly, often even if I actively dislike them).
Infuriatingly, this means I must have "people" in my life, in order for my life to not be entirely meaningless. 😤
Actually I did better at school than at University. As INTPs we procrastinate a lot, but procrastination is more easily defeated in a structured system were every week you know you have a test on a rather small number of pages, I did procrastinate at school too, but I was able to still be top of my class by studying until 3:00 am before a test. Now in University I have a lot more time before and a lot more pages for each exam and that leads me to having huge amounts of pages to do in the last days. I think that as INTPs we don't like a rigid system but we need it.
P.s. I did not attend school in the US
Regarding communication, at an undefinable point (I think it was just a slow burn of putting the pieces together throughout the years) I came to recognize the importance of acknowledging emotions and its impact on social interactions. Before, I intentionally fought it, I didn't think feelings had a place in most conversations, but when I reached the "undefined point" I realized that it's easier and, most importantly, more logical to let people feel how they want and sort of steer them away from the irrational in little, less blunt ways. This saves me from the annoyance of wasting energy by directly debating with people and I won't have to worry about them screeching about the more fallacious points to people that'll believe them. This more diplomatic approach definitely took some learning but without it I'd probably have a harder time with the peers I can't avoid. [intp(duh)]
Well, the video describes me very, except for the part of having problems with the educational system in adolescence. I’m 44yo and I’m much more critical to educational system now. I mean, didn’t like assignments in group, I prefer much more to take exames, but I had much more exams than group assignments. I’m critical of what the educational system has become in the latest years.
this is a short note on how I dealt with my school
1.I knew teachers cant actually teach anything to me. So I took a different approach. I would learn the whole chapter before them actually teaching it. It was really better. If I had any doubt I can just google it
2. You might be wondering why i wanted to do better in the firstplace . I had this bestfriend who was an ENTJ and she was damn focused on this academics she and I were classmates since elementary school. One day why I got bad at academics and I was like i dont care about all that in the first place then we had an argument so obviously i looked up and found that i actually did want to get good at it. She helped me with almost everything . We studied together [lol] . She literally organized my timetable she was bit bossy [expected from an ENTJ ]. And in the end I did better than her even scored the perfect 100 score and she was so proud she was like she adopted me and made me succeed{lol}.
MY ADVICE IT FIND SOMEONE WHOM YOU CAN STUDY WITH AND ALSO DONT JUST QUIT SCHOOL OR COLLEGE JUST BECOAUSE YOU ACTUALLY HATE IT IT REALLY IS A PLACE FOR GREAT CHARACTER DEVOLOPMENT . AND ALSO GET AN ENTJ : )
I NEVER learned social skills in school. School was all about getting the work done as fast as possible to get to what I really wanted to do!! I am very good at technical communication. Communicating with emotional (irrational) people is very difficult. My 85 year old mother had an emotional break down last week and I had to take her to the ER for evaluation, suspecting she had messed up her meds. I did not acknowledge her emotional outbursts (crying), but I would interject with random thoughts and observations to distract her. Once she was calm (a few hours later) she asked how I can be so calm!! I didn’t say anything, she wouldn’t understand. My INTP lack of emotion saved me in this case, but I DO NOT want to have to go thru that again!! 10 hours sitting in the ER!!! I passed the time observing people (people watching). This is a great thing to do when in public when you absolutely can’t avoid being there. It can be entertaining looking for patterns. Putting names to faces in the ER to quickly find them when they get called in for the 5th time. The Costco trifecta - water, paper towels, toilet paper. A semi-rare combination, but very satisfying when I see one. Try it, you'll be obsessed!! WTF is wrong with me??!!! INTP…
Listening to others feelings/opinions felt unnecessary to me until I turned it into a challenge to figure out each persons strengths and share them with that person. Dropping little seeds of kindness where I can…
I'm like 85% sure I'm an INTP. However I've always done well in school but that's probably because it was mostly memorization than anything else, if I have an interest in whatever we're learning it's easy to remember too. That's why world history, language arts, and maths were very easy for me. I like interesting stories and for math all you need to know is the formulas, though I never took any high level classes, didn't really see the point in putting extra effort during summer to be honest.
Edit: I also really like getting better grades than other people, so that's a factor 🤷♀️
Just opened the video, haven’t watched yet, just went ahead and hit the like button. I already know it’s worth it.
@@carlyellison8498 actually I didn’t. I used to though. I’m reformed however.
@@carlyellison8498 when life doesnt give you likes just give yourself a like because no one cares if others like your comment or not
My time in school was absolutely awful. Summed up i spend there 12 years of pure boredom while my energy got drained more and more every day. I hated pretty much everything about it: Sociailizing, studying, homework and all other school stuff. At somepoint i stopped doing all of that. I just sat there all day being elsewhere in my mind as often as possible. And cause all of that + my inherited social anxiety that got worse continually, i became depressive as well.
I'm pretty confident that I'm INTP, but I've always thrived in a formal educational setting. I need it for the direction, structure, and momentum; because without it, I'd be all over the place and never get past Chapter 3 on anything.
so true. I really taught myself how to learn drawing, writing and reading while at school. I cant focus on the lesson, and i prefer not to sometimes because its not what i'm looking to improve on. i also am very not social, i try to avoid social situations because im kinda afraid of their consequences, and most of times they do not interest me, i only do it when its supposed to help me in grades (lmao)
so yea, i tend to fail the educational system, and tbh i think i get good grades because of my introvert behavior and because i actually do the lessons at the end of the day, but often i tend to procrastinate and sleep in the classroom which isn't that good because i dont like getting attention from the teachers
I’m an INFP but almost all of this extremely resonated with me (the exception being the bit about understanding and valuing the emotional experiences of others)
That makes sense. A good friend of mine is an INFP and we thought we were really similar until we developed our interests. We both navigated away from psychology/philosophy, I went to science, and they went to art and writing. INFPs are logical and rational for feeling types, even though Ti is their last function.
For me a good tactic was visiting areas in my mental framework that I didn't fully work through and realising that not taking action can lead to contradictions and severe consequences
INTP here. I think the reason communication is tough is that INTPs overestimate both their own learning curve and the learning curve of others. I've found that people retain much less of what I say than I typically expect, and you need to repeat things for people to really get them. Another bad habit I get into as an INTP is assuming that I already know what another person is going to say, or getting the gist of what they're saying 10 seconds in, and then completely tuning out the rest. This works a lot of the time, but other times it can lead to frustration from the other person, and a minority of time, I completely misunderstand their point because I jumped to a conclusion about what they were going to say. So bottom line is don't take short cuts. Also keep things simple and make sure people really understand the simple concepts before getting into complex ones.
Him: “fundamentally..”
Me: “..flawed”
Him: “.. emotional”
Me: …..
” flawed”
INTP here. Strategies were asked for so here is what I do.
School- I dropped out of high school and attended continuation school graduating with a 1.7 gpa. My grades were the result of not bothering with homework, and usually class work. School isn't about getting smarter, it is about providing evidence you have a minimal education at best. I recently went back to college in my mid 30s and did really well. The difference was I had to want it. If I hadn't matured or didn't desire it, I would have been wasting my time.
Communication- Always a struggle, to get out really. However, I learned to develop a persona. I had a friend who did this constantly, in hindsight he was most definitely an ENTP, but it he made it so fluid. I am not that fluid, but I am quite successful and found that socializing is far more important then I gave it credit for as a youth. Just like a book, figure out the traits you want, watch videos on acting and talking, and when you go into public you are this person. Also It isn't deceitful unless you make it so. For me it was just how I always wanted to be, so now I am that person when I leave my house. The biggest key here, is that I know that I will slip back into old ways if I stop developing it, you must be persistent in this endeavor and study it consciously. Don't leave it up to chance, work the living shit out of your Ne in public, and evaluate performance after with Ti. It becomes second nature before long
Doing things- He said the key in the video. Do not present your brain with a problem to solve. If I say I have to do something, my brain will prove me wrong, I swear I am only my brains manservant. My mind will treat it as a problem to be solved, solve it and move on. I found if I think it through to the end I will actually get a sense of satisfaction and not do it. Do not let it get that far. When I know I have to do something I work hard to not think it through, usually distractions like reading, calculations, or posting on youtube comments when I doubt anyone will actually read the short essay I am typing. Anything to keep my mind busy. This of course does not apply to our "framework" days. Hate that phrase. Only to events. You have to trust you know what needs to get done, and will get it done in a timely fashion. Timers and alarms on the phone are awesome for this. Time management is a curse of ours. Above all else when you evaluate it afterwards, you must not get upset that you missed something or did this or that, simply learn and do not fall into the trap of self flagellation as so many do.
Sorry no time to edit, alarm was going off a few minutes back. Oh one more piece of advice, do some outdoor manual labor every day, you will benefit from it in ways you can not imagine. Even just tending a small garden, or 30 minutes of gym time will shift your whole paradigm.
I learned to actually take action as an INTP slug.
I have found that making parts for various things that break extremely rewarding. Instead of just thinking "this would be better/stronger if they made it this way..." and being right, I can take the thing, figure out why it broke, then think of ways to make it function again, but better/stronger.
I taught myself CAD to make the parts in 3D, then I print them. The ultimate reward for me is the final repair of the thing using my improved design.
It is like a proof for me to help reduce the imposter syndrome feeling. I have grown past just figuring it out because I can't stand always feeling like an imposter, and I think that feeling comes from being all talk (or thought). Even though I still do feel that way, even with the things I make, doing this has made me feel like I found a way to be useful in the world. That is the ultimate solution for an INTP IMO. There is room in the world for me now.
It isn't enough to just figure it out anymore, and when you can figure it out to help reduce your negative thinking, a new desire to actually do something to completion emerges. It has also taught me how to follow through and complete projects in a much shorter time frame. I only have to bounce around a little before the desire to finish the project comes back.
I still can't handle mundane, routine things which still feel like an allergic reaction in my core. Doing all this has taught me some basic organization because there is so much involved that I need to be spending more time thinking and less time looking for crap I have scattered around. If I am looking for stuff, then it will break my flow state and I will be off on some other tangent.
The last point (getting things done) I solve by working with one or two inspirational people who'll bring ideas to the table. I can get things done alone, but it's much more draining, because nothing new happens. My tip: Find somebody who thinks similar to you and work with them.
Homeschooling was great for me because I was bored with the expected content and wanted to learn more. Thankfully, my mom allowed me to study the topics and passions I had. I excelled in the expected subjects and learned what most students don’t get to study.
Kindness is the emotional insight everyone can practice.
i'm an intp (tho it took me forever to feel absolute certainty about that), and the stereotype that i dislike most is the stereotype that we're unemotional and anti-social. it took me a longer time to acknowledge other people's feelings as well as my own and early on in my life when i didn't care for it i would cope with it in the worst ways which harmed myself and others. it took sooo much self-education to try to make other humans as close enough to a "fixed system" as possible to understand them enough to engage with them without being too overwhelmed with the fear of making them uncomfortable. i know personally that if there's anything i want more in life it's relationships.
I know some INTP's and this is spot on. Great job.
What a gift to hear this so clearly articulated.
I felt very naked when you spoke about INTPS and education. I insisted to everyone that I was off course studying properly and doing my best, but my grades said otherwise. Great god, always looking forward to hear stuff from you Noah.
I got into photography...but couldn't leave it there. Started with digital, then went to film, then went to large format film, then went tintypes. I literally felt compelled understand at the atomic level the origins of phography to the point I built a large format ambrotype camera (and portable darkroom) without any plans. I wanted to figure it out as i went along. The wife couldn't understand why what should have been a 2-3 weekend project turned into 14 month sequestration of our garage. I studied chemistry, optics, photographic styles, historical inventors, and even looked up patents for how to sew light-proof cloth. I took exactly 4 pictures (2 were failures) and was done with it. No regrets, just moved onto learning about programming arduino and building automation circuits.
I've been out of school for some time, and didn't really start, cognitively, understanding the world around me, till I was out in it.
INFP ... but have very high INTP traits. I consistently didn't turn up for a variety of classes at school because I was in the library. Took them a while to find me. I handed in homework every week but created my own. I had all; of the course specification details and devised my own schedule of learning. Annoyed them by getting good grades. I've been studying for a Masters in psychology but am only graduating with a PgDip because I found the situation surrounding COVID limited my ability to do the research the way I wanted and I wasn't prepared to compromise. It was demotivating to be expected to just do anything to complete the course. I learn and study because I want to; not for a qualification. I'll complete it when I can do it the way I want. Breaking free from the Masters has liberated me to go back to my own style of learning and I've made a plan to learn Python via a variety of free online courses. And I feel invigorated again.
This was helpful., thanks. I thought I was the only one who's had an intolerable problem with the education system ever since childhood.
What weaknesses? :-)))) I heard only: "Other pleasures pale in comparison to the intellectual joy". Every type has it - that one thing, the star that outshines everything else, what you call "genius" in your videos (genious of ENFP, genious of ENTJ etc.). Dealing with weknesses is impossible without compromising that genius. I say, chose a proper distance between you and other people - the distance that let you be who you are (without hurtying others, of course) and appreciate that unique genius in other people without changing them or letting them change you.
As an adult, for the sake of relationships, I’ve changed myself. Probably for the sake of toxic relationships, actually. I am getting back to my more “weird” self, and I am happier!
Proper distance and not allowing others to change you: you’ve got it absolutely right. I think true INTPs (not mistyped) naturally let others be who they are without trying to change them. More of the observer than the conqueror.
@@SpockTheExtreme I agree, conquering is not INTP's style. Unethical let alone deadly boring. Nathan talks a lot about the art of seduction though. :-)
Changing for the sake of toxic relationships... Sorry to hear that. I really am. I wonder if INTPs have a blind spot when it comes to this. I think (IMHO), INTP's doubting the idea that people are inheritently rational rather than emotional (I do think they are, sorry Natan, I disagree with you on that) is what gets us in trouble. When doubting logic, we lose our strength and diverge from our path. I've done it once and I won't do it again.
@@ketugrahagraha3673 I’ve heard it is fairly common for INTPs to stay in, what others’ would call, an abusive relationship. In one way, INTPs are actually quite tough to be able to put up with emotions that might make others crumble. It’s just another thing for an INTP to solve, or to solve later after more information. It is a bit of a blind spot simply because of the way we adapt and handle things, though this is not all that positive. If INTPs can integrate negative emotions as another variable in their equations, to say, something is not right here, I think that can be a rational and healthy way forward.
Including the shadow side, introverted feeling is the 8th slot for INTPs, like myself. This lends itself to not really giving much air to internal feelings. In fact I’ve noticed that I seem to write “love” letters only when I’m somewhat sleep deprived. Airing deep feelings, including fanboy, non-romantic love, takes special circumstances.
Fourth slot Fe does actually make us care for other’s feelings, albeit in our own way. Couple that with Ti + Ne, and I guess that’s what makes us playfully charming. Note that while charming is attractive to most, not everyone prefers the child-like side. Not saying that we should change - nope, not that. Just that others can wish that we were different, and that’s ok. That’s their deal, not ours, though that bothers Fe and maybe Ti, lol! Note: childish and child-like are completely different. I think the whole Ti Ne Si Fe stack really has a problem with childish behavior / manipulation in adults.
“You’ll never plow a field by turning it over in your mind.” This cuts me to my core.
I don't allow myself to be ruled by my emotions, but I don't dismiss them.
I recognize them for what they are- a physiological response to pain or pleasure, that are affected by external factors like hunger, exhaustion, trauma or hormones.
I only work by myself, no one to screw up my logistics. I make it a point to ask people too leave me alone when I need it... And I'm heavily medicated
They also hate cooking, & wish it weren't necessary to eat.
I do
It isn’t though. A sandwich will do fine. My wife has all manner of cooking stuffs, even bought an air fryer to help simply the process for me. Still, I’d rather have peanut butter and jelly or ham and Swiss, or stand at the counter and eat cheese and pickles. Anything but cooking.
(Not)
I think sandwiches might be very high on the list of foods INTPs prefer. But maybe also things that are microwaveable too.
I TRY to batch cook twice a week so I don't have to deal with wasted time on preparing food every day. Does it happen every week? No... thats when a sandwich usually appears. PB&J because its the fastest.
@@kawaiiwitchbaby exactly. Whatever is simple, fast, requires the least effort if I may be redundant, will always rank high on the list of what’s preferred.
“they probably should care, but generally…they don’t”
yep. that sums it up nicely.
Your explanation of the communication is excellent and profound
It’s about 4-5 months since I’ve started experimenting with “faking ENTJ”. On simple level I’m trying be an extravert and do action. I think it’s gonna work, I feel how it changes me in better way. I reach goals now. Can you cover possibility of such transformation on your channel?
Это полное говно бро. Если ты интро, ты не можешь быть экстра. Это не про кол во людей с которыми ты общаешься, это про мышление. Плюс не советую тебе изучать мбти, потому что это жвачка для массы. Советую зайти на канал "Соционика стихий" и посмотреть видеосравнение мбти и соционики, сделано красиво, без научной херни. Они сами infp, поэтому там все творчески и со вкусом) Кстати intp здесь в соционике intj. Для меня канал выше стал открытием, благодаря нему я понял что соционика рулит. Кстати о твоем комменте, для ENTJ деловая логика (Te) базовая и ценностная. Если ты реально робеспьер для тебя деловая логика неценностна, соответственно неинтересна. Чекни тот канал, надеюсь он поможет тебе разобраться в теме, причем на родном языке
@@Moore_is_love я несколько лет пассивно изучал соответствие типов мбти поведению двух десятков людей. Соответствие значительное, этим можно пользоваться. Соционика это неудобно, мбти - удобно. Так же не вижу причин по которым нельзя было бы изменить «мышление». Это всего лишь паттерны, которые помогают или мешают.
@@DmitryTaranov типологии это не про поведение, это про функции. Как ты видишь мир, иными словами, через призму каких очков. Ты не можешь просто взять другие очки. Плюс ты видимо не понимаешь что такое интроверт и экстраверт. Это не про социальность и тд, экстраверт может быть социопатом. Интроверт копает вглубь, экстраверт распыляет внимание. Ты не можешь тупо взять и изменить свое глубокое мышление и начать поверхностно смотреть на вещи. Хоть ты поломайся, никогда не станешь настоящим entj. Единственное, ты можешь поменять убеждения и образ мышления, пользоваться паттернами. Я просто не хочу чтобы у тебя были ложные ожидания, когда ты коверкаешь из себя другого человека. Пользуйся своей сильной структурной логикой и кайфуй, усиливай слабые, анализируй
@@Moore_is_love Послушай, я всё могу если захочу:) Благодарю за заботу, но это лишнее.
Hello, it's been a while since you posted this, but I am wondering what exactly (or just generally) you changed in your behaviour when you want to act as an ENTJ. And also, perhaps more important, have you continued, and how have you benefited from it?
Btw I'm also an INTP.
I’m an INTP, I have 2 brothers and 1 sister, all ENTP. I’m a natural introverted, but they have helped me to be more extroverted. They are really good at arguing, when they start to debate [usually everyday] i just watch and listen, at that moment i become a sponge. When i’m at school and i have to give a speech, or something like that, everyone tells me that i could be a politician or something, my skills at communicating have improved by analyzing my brothers and how they can create a strong web of arguments or ideas in seconds, btw i’m the youngest
I'm actually really good at socialising as I've reached middle/late age! I was painfully shy when young.
I surprise people who thought I was more mousey or anti-social; i can naturally kind of take the lead and that's because i always have something relevant or interesting or witty to add to the conversation. I don't enjoy extra attention so I tend to avoid social group situations; i find group think dumbs down and rarely encourages real problem solving or thinking but people enjoy a little colour and spice i bring for short periods.
I love the validation ❤️
I did better with the education system the further I got into it. Which is to say, the more say I had in what I was doing/learning, the better things went.
-INTP
Waiting to get out of the education system so we can finally start learning...Exactly. You hit the nail on the head
OMG.... You are a mind reader. I think Im an INTP, and is attracted to emotional beings, not surprised. It's still a bit of a struggle to see all emotions equal. hope I can become more developed. Also, I forgot in which video you mentioned INTPs are not only compatible with thinking types, but also ISFJ. Yeah! My boyfriend is an ISFJ, we have so little in common, but we found each other fascinating.