Star Wars: ACOLYTE Episode 5 REVIEW - The Best and Worst of Disney STAR WARS
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Written and Hosted by Ryan Arey ( / ryanarey )
Edited by Harriet Lengel-Enright, Randolf Nombrado, and Lee Mazzio
Featuring:
Colton Ogburn ( / coltonogburn )
Heather Antos / heatherantos
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"What master wears a helmet to hide from their pupil"
Anakin - say what?
Qimir could be Darth Plaguis the wise bcz as we seen in the closing moments him being wise
You guys are not nitpicking, you are bringing up a complaint I’ve had for all Disney+ shows. I like some of the stories but the cinematography compared to my fav shows like house of the dragon or any of primes best shows or Apple TVs best shows, look really good, the color grading is great, cinematography great but Disney just looking cheap but spend so much money, there’s no reason the Kenobi show shouldnt look as good as House of the Dragon cinematography wise
Andor is an exception, andor really felt cinematic
No more of this guest please. Waaay too many high pitch uuuuums. Extremely annoying.
Really liked the Sith guy. Yes it was obviously him because there were no other characters left but I thought he was totally badass and believable as a threat. I never found Kylo Ren the least bit intimidating, behaving as he did like a whiny teenager but this guy seemed properly unhinged and I hope he's around for a while.
I agree. Qimir is badass!!! Manny did an awesome job. Creepy, manipulative & twisted. Yet, he’s able to expose the Jedi’s hypocrisy. His only failure is that he didn’t anticipate that once Mae learns that Osha is alive, she would flip. He may have not known she was alive either.
This is the best sith intro since Darth Maul
Agree
@@dougr9254 100% kudos to Manny Jacinto!
Agreed, extremely bad@ss.
I noticed a few times in the woods, that when characters are just walking around their sabers do actually cut and burn the foliage a little. you gotta look REAL close but i saw it at least once. I was like "huh thats a fun detail thanks for that"
I wonder why Mae's face didnt melt off after a saber haircut 😂😂 this show is a joke
@@knowonoseCause she didn’t touch her face. The sabers get close to many people’s face in the Star Wars universe without affecting them.
I more so wonder why Mae’s haircut was just so perfect in one swoop.. like come on, it was so dramatic
@@drjolsz Indeed El Perfecto & that brief moment is All Fine 🙂
@@drjolszlol right?! I can think of a dozen iconic Star Wars scenes where we see the color of sabers reflected on the faces of their wielders as they’re battling.
@@drjolsz she was able to make it perfect because she used the force to move her braids into place as they were dangling. that’s why she took a good long look at Osha before doing it, she was studying where the cuts were
Colton is more interested in actively trying to pick apart the show than actually learning the character’s names
Streaming budgets and TV budgets are very, very different. The money goes to replace residuals.
You just cannot compare the budgets at all.
Colton- “I absolutely love Daphne Keen’s character, what was her name again?”
I love Colton's commitment to the bit checking his headphones like he's got no sound every time he's introduced. Subtle yet brilliant.
He has the greatest depth to his screencrush character.
He is Matt's Padawan to Apprentice Ryan's Dark Lord Darth Algorithm
Yeah... maybe the 1st 1 million times they did that joke, lol... At this point, they need a new bit for Colton.
I hate that bit it use to be cute but they take it to far
@@trentfarris4029 Agreed
I think the comparison between tv series and movies is disingenuous. There will always be a difference between how tv and how big budget movies look and it is because of the time and budget given to different mediums. And as someone who’s worked in film/tv for many years, it’s a bit annoying hearing them say they should have just shot out in an actual forest. Their issues with the cut trees would have stayed the same. You can’t cut down trees in a forest for your tv series, the trees would have still be cgi
Also streaming shows do have deadlines. Sure they could delay release, but they don’t just film a tv series and then be like “we’ll air their whenever it’s done”.
Well maybe if they used the CGI to show the trees falling the correct way it would have helped a little. The angle of the cuts and the spread of the branches, the trees should have dropped between the two characters. Which would have been completely hilarious!
@@jeremykrall1694that’s a valid criticism. I wasn’t really watching closely enough to notice but I completely agree that with a little more care the trees could have felt more real. But that wouldn’t have changed if they were on location in a forest. The trees probably still would have been animated to fall the same.
@@Dietepamplemousse Right, they wouldn't have the trees fall between the characters. That would have caused too many issues. But the CGI could have been done to slice the trees in the opposite direction so they wouldn't be defying physics.
Also someone correct me if I'm wrong but don't movies generally make more than a streaming show? So why would they bother sinking heaps of money into a show? In the end it's a business that needs to make money
Mae told Qimir that she would tell the Jedi what she knew and not go to prison. She thought she had a bargaining chip. Once she saw Qimir killing the Jedi, her plan changed.
How would she not go to jail after killing 2 Jedi?
@@robbabecki1737 In ep. 4, She told Qimir they would not put her in prison once she told them what she knew. She does have valuable information for the Jedi: “the Siths that you think are extinct returned and I know who he is and where he’s hiding, and I’ll help you identify him.” They needed her, in exchange for a pardon. She probably planned to blame Qimir and say it was his plan to kill Indara and push Torbin to kill himself. She may say he threatened to kill her if she refused, so she had no choice than obey. In reality, from the Jedi’s perspective, Qimir is the real mastermind, she’s just a pawn. They keep asking: “Who trained her?” Her Master is the real threat, not Mae. But once Qimir exposed himself to Sol and the others on Brendack, she knew he would kill them all. So at that point, she just ran for her life. Change of plan.
He is Darth Bortles, and I am betting that we learn that the witch mountain fire was actually him getting carried away with a Molotov cocktail.
WHY DID I READ THIS IN JASON MENDOZA’S VOICE?!
I think the best contribution to the Star Wars mythos is Jason Mendoza as a sith, lol
😂😂😂
instead of a kyber crystal its just a jalapeño popper
Blake Bortles is legend.
I like the fact that master sol comes across so good despite the actor doesn't know any english. He needs major props.
It was a shame to see Jecki die as she would have been an excellent character to see further development. Every complaint has to do with cost cutting and the executives thinking "good enough".
Anyone else bothered that Sol just left all the bodies behind?
Maybe it’s foreshadowing like all the bodies when that place burn down
Yes
No.
We don’t know that as a fact.
They got to send up a Jedi clean up crew, right???
Andor did a much better job of making me care about the characters than any other SW show. Was it because they had a few more episodes, better writers, directors, story? All of the above?
Random thought: I’ve always felt like igniting a light saber should require the user to hold down a button to keep it lit. It’s safer for the user and provides more control rather than clicking it on and clicking it off. Otherwise Qimir would’ve needed to basically smash the button twice as many times and twice as fast to accomplish that kill of X23 girl.
That crossed my mind too. But I think the other part made the blade smaller, so easier to make quick jabs
I think in some of the EU stuff that is non-canon now it has been explained that there are different designs and some may require the user to maintain pressure on the button/switch at all times, others have a little locking mechanism to keep it activated when the lock is engaged, etc.
Two other considerations:
1) The user might be able to manipulate the controls with the Force.
2) The lightsabers can detect which behavior will achieve the most dramatic effect in any given scene and act appropriately...
Enjoy these breakdowns and explanations about the Star Wars Universe. I’m am not a Star Wars expert but really enjoy watching. Not being knowledgable enough of the nuances, could I ask you a couple of questions please?
1. How can Disney move forward in this universe to create a series/film that can both satisfy experts and non-experts of Star Wars? As in, keep someone like me entertained and someone like you happy with the details.
2. How have they made these mistakes considering they have enough money to research and pay for anything they want to do?
From a personal point of view, I have really enjoyed this series more than most of the series, which, on the whole I liked.
Thanks again for the breakdown. Will keep watching.
My gosh...it appears there are nothing but incredible Sci-fi writers just waiting for their chance to pen the next SW movie or show! I am so tired of the generic "bad writing" comments...just because the show isn't meeting your personal expectations or hopes and dreams from the EU, doesn't mean it is poorly written.
Finally some good critiques! I think it still looks great but can definitely get the “cheap” look. On the “why is Mar fighting Jecki”, def could’ve been explained more! My guess is at this point her plan to turn herself in goes by the wayside when her master shows up and she just wants to get tf outta there but a quick line explaining that would have been helpful-something like “he’s going to kill all of you, and I’m not going to be around when he does”
Colton - “I hope people know we’re not nitpicking “ Ummm….. guys you sound nitpicky.
All these self professed nerds are. What makes a nerd a nerd is they arent actually smart.
@@zachariahsmith9130so I’m not smart because I think the acting prominently sucks in this show??
Manny is good. Guy from Squid game is good. Jekki was good. That’s literally it.
@@r1sing_prod1gy84 I'm sorry was Haydens acting great? How about Fischer or Hamil in the original trilogy? This is on par with anything else you've seen in star wars. Its actually better than most of Star Wars.
I’m calling it here, when the Jedi investigate the planet, they are going to attribute the Jedi‘s deaths to Kanaka. That’s why they focused on his broken light saber on one of those shots.
Star Wars is a space fantasy. It's space wizards with swords made of plasma powered by magic rocks. "Realism" has never been the point.
I'm starting to understand why I like this show more than most. I grew up on/love low budget Sci-fi.
I love Star Wars. And I'm tired of everything I love (NFL, etc) getting turned political. I'm over it.
I actually like it so far. That all I care about.
You hit the nail on the head, it’s shot way to dark, you lose perspective, volume and detail.
I’m sure it’s to hide poor prop quality but it’s not visually appealing.
I like the story but it’s still missing the flavor of prior Star Wars stuff.
I hope it gets better for future episodes and series
Couldn’t disagree with Colton and Heather more with like… everything they said. They sound like RUclips comments trying to be polite
I hope Colton is OK. He looks like he's working too hard.
I too was focused on his 1000 yard stare during the whole episode.
Colton is the true Sith Master 😆😆😆
The fight on Mustafar gets better the more you watch it and you start to see them bringing in parts of dueling that you see all through the previous 6 movies. Like when D V tries to take Obi's hands but fails this time. And the play on the high ground ties into the phantom menace and Return of the J in some really cool ways. They chopped up the fight in this episode in too many weird ways. But it did have some cool moments.
She wanted to turn herself over UNTIL she saw her master. She was clearly afraid to get murdered and saw that the Jedi couldn't protect her.
Second time I saw the "I don't understand why Mae ran" comment today. If it wasn't obvious she started running when she realized her murderous master was going to kill her.
Media literacy is at an all time low.
I can agree that we haven't had time to develop an appropriate rapport with the characters, so their loss isn't felt as directly. On the other hand, how did we feel the anguish of Obi-wan's death only 1 hour into A new Hope? It certainly would have helped if Osha, our audience insert, reacted as intensely to the loss of her Jedi companions as Luke had when Obi-wan died.
Poor Colton was like “Mustafar is the best battle” and y’all were both like HELL NAW!😭
He was like this 😐
RIP Jeki ❤
Great video guys! Also Colton on point, first epic Lightsaber joust since Revenge of the Sith! Like 15 years we are waiting for it.
Thanks to Ryan, Colton, Heather, Harriet, Randolf and Lee! 🌑
Ryan trying to clean up after last week's hate FEST on people that didnt like Acolyte.
I know Victoria Alonso was a Marvel exec, but her chinanigans with post production & VFX were so bad they were eventually memed in She-Hulk. I wonder how much of that bled over into the other properties considering Disney as the parent Corp wants to keep the number of vendors low, pre-approved, looped into long-term cheap contracts, etc. Maybe the ripples aren't done yet since it was mentioned this show started in 2020
horrible people dont dislike the show for hateful reasons... now im unsubbing
BOLD PREDICTION: Qimir is indeed NOT the true Master. He is in fact a re-imagined version of "Darth" Venamis, (the secret apprentice of Tenebrous), whom Plagueis and Palps would later go-on to use his body for experiments, for decades.
By Episode 8, I believe we'll either have seen Tenebrous discovering his 2nd apprentice's plot to train a secret Acolyte, or Plagueis discovers that his Master has been training another Apprentice...
Hopefully we get both.
Ok, I admit in advance, "BOLD PREDICTION" was a bit dramatic
I think they’re too committed to the “mystery” aspect. Things that could make me invested in a character are being hidden for the sake of subversion but at this point I’m going too many episodes not invested.
Loved the episode still
What mystery? Everything is on the surface completely out in the open. Zero mystery whatsoever.
The fact that the budget is similar in cost to Dune 2 (if you stack up costs per minute) but this show looks the way it does is really criminal. I don’t know how they spent that much money and everything looks so flat.
The issue with this is that there is no heart. Pre Disney, Star Wars had heart. I cared for the characters. I loved their journey and fight against facism. Disney Star Wars however, has no characters or story that i care about. I tried but there is nothing. I don’t care. And that is exactly what Disney did. They ripped the heart out of the franchise. And turned it into a soulless cash grab. Its hard to follow or respect a company who doesn't show respect for a franchise they bought. The Acolyte offers nothing but meaningless, repetitive, lacklustre product. A product that is poorly run.
Just another product off the assembly line
Have you considered it can just be nostalgia bias for things you may have grown up with?
@@SilkBuckets Feels that way. Nothing but cheap products that some fall victim to.
Again the repetitive line "pre Disney SW had heart..." Disney is an enterprise and wants money for investment, sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't.. Andor, Mandalorian and even this series has heart or not? Ashoka, Kenobi and Bobba for sure didn't and they're close to George's idea.. but if we go further I can say that precuels had a lot of issues, but fans love anything he does/says, this series was hated from the beginning and it has a difficult format for people but it has a lot of good things more than the bad..
@priyonjoni No. Lucasfilm heroes were a mainstay for millions of people worldwide. We saw Luke, Han, and Leia overcome torrential odds and win. Disney treated them with abusive contempt. They basically tried to eradicate the prequel and original trilogy. They wanted the new fans to think, "Lucasfilm hero's failed, but OUR hero's won!". It was truly character assassination at its finest.
I thought it was obvious Kymir was the Master but after speaking to more casual fans of the Star Wars it wasn’t that obvious to everyone. We know it’s not related to the Ashoka story but the witches tricked more casual fans into thinking other characters might be involved. I think people are too critical of everything Star Wars related
I hope every time you introduce Matt theres one guy out there high as a kite who gets worried about him for a few moments. I was once this guy. 😂
Manny Jacinto has been in more than just the good place. Check him out in nine perfect strangers and you see how good he is as a actor.
She lost me when she said the acting was good. I feel like I’m watching a dean Cain movie watching this show.
Something I wanna point out. Just like "No, I am your Father" being Telephoned so much nobody says it correctly. Chimer says "I guess a Jedi like you might call me, Sith" he doesn't outright saaaay he's a Sith, plus he force heals Osha. I don't know what he could be, but the Jedi have faced force sensitive that aren't Sith. I agree with the statement that the show isn't perfect, but some people are hating things incorrectly, or just watched a rage bait video, so what that person said is law. I wanted to hate this show, but I only moderately dislike it. It's not a horrible show, just has wonky writing, and an awkwardly stiff main actress😂
That is true. 49 mil was pre production, 132 mil for the 8 shows
28:03 I don’t agree with this phone at all my biggest problem with episode one was how empty naboo feels… He could have CGI people walking around in the big shots of the city, but he doesn’t. It looks good on every other place but that one.
Star Wars is the OG “thin plot and ‘who is that character ?’ Oh we’ll fill it in later”
Personally, I would live a video deconstructing just the Mustafar duel. I've always had a lot of thoughts on that. I wanna know what everyone else thinks.
I don't care if you hate The Last Jedi. That throne room lightsaber fight is the best in the entire SW world.
@14:40 "He's so Yord," Ryan. That is all the depth we have on him.
Or, we could just read what the show gave us: He's a young Jedi Knight who lacks confidence, but tries to cover that up by being a stickler for the rule book.
The writers should have to hold the audience's hand through every sentence.
The only problem with this series is episode length and overall episode count. There is zero ability to give enough background for the gravitas that is needed for Star Wars.
I just absolutely hate the distilled abreviatioms of Star Wars universe stories that is going on. These used to be called webisodes.
The only one that actually felt full was Andor. You can literally feel the weight of the Empire in such a chilling, dehumanizing way. How everyone in it was not a person, they were Empire. If you had any separate individual thoughts, you were penalized for it.
My question is why are we only getting half hour long episodes? If they make them an hour long that doubles the time they have, and they could spend that time fleshing out the characters more.
Guys, truly... Defending Leslye Headland? A shame... She actually was an acolyte of you know who...
It feels the reviewers are overly critical about technical details about the show. I heard a lot of bad things about the show and was not going to watch, but I decided to give it a chance and I haven't been disappointed. Is it perfect? No, but it's good TV. I'm happy there's a show that's exploring new concepts in the star wars world.
I don’t think the technology on this series is bad. And it def does not “look” cheap. I haven’t even noticed the CGI, I’m confused on what specifically you guys think is cheap compared to others. The budget seems fine because everything looks good. I don’t understand
And why does Mae keep running away in this episode?
Spot on. As fans we deserve more. Sadly, it could turn into another forgettable series. So far, Andor exceeded expectations and gave us a riviting tale
They doesnt know he is a sith??? HE TOLD SOL HE IS A SITH! Are you effing kidding me...
Jecki was the only one who thought it through and stopped striking his helmet with a Sabre and knocked it off with her elbow
She also got pin cushioned to death....
@@marlonestrella5054 Hubris. She got too confident once the helmet was off. She was going for a kill and lost her cool.
@robertsanssouci2093 that is the dumbest cop out. His hel et didn't give him the sourse of his powers. Amd since when is it Canon that jedis could read the minds of their adversary and the havibg thw magneto zipper helmet come off would suddenly make thr enemy that less dangerous. That's like thr cliche of standing over your enemy after knocking off their shield, but them grasping at their sword while on the floor.... this is Poor effn writing.... can't even use suspension of disbelief on this
@robertsanssouci2093 also... I had to look three... 3 times because I wasn't too sure but she was still in the wooded area. She is definitely not in the same skill level as qimir, ut not using the surroundings to your advantage? Lol... epic fail
No one attacked his helmet. He was actively hitting their sabers with his helmet.
I don't get Heather complaining about use of space and the "cgi" used and then just say lightsaber blades and the tree falling like what? The saber battling in this ep was awesome how it started out where you don't see it straight on then the other through the trees fight with more Jedi to a different view with sol and the master then jecki & the master it seemed to me they had a good amount of variety and cool spacing and great choreography that was way more practical than CGI, thought that was a weak argument. Plus about the emotion maybe there wasn't more building that up with yorde & jecki cuz they were just going to die soon but I thought there was a decent amount with yorde/osha and sol/jecki here and there.
I concur and feel like the hosts, while tactful, are just trying to find things to complain about so they don't upset the Internet Wampas and get hate directed towards them as Disney Shills.
Still waiting till the end of the season to pass full judgement, but episode 5 was pretty good. 1 was good. 2-3 were terrible. 4 was OK at best. 5 was pretty good.
I also think that we should wait for the full series before judging it, its like giving a review before the movie is over
What I think hurts this show and all shows in this tv show era is that we only get 8 to 10 episodes. We don’t get the build up and character development or story development as we would with a 20+ episode arc. Everything is told in such a hurry that it just feels rushed.
I miss the 22 episode seasons shows used to have.they spend so much, nowthey can only afford 8 is episodes.,yet buying dvds,same price as 22 episodes.
The final Season of Bad Batch had almost double the episodes! (Binging both this week). I’m wondering if The Acolyte was affected by the massive Bob Chapek budget cuts that hit the whole company.
I feel like non-cgi sets are hard for Star Wars. We do demand of this franchise a lot planet/set hopping. That probably makes these projects a lot more expensive, especially if you want quality practical piece included on each location.
The comparison of TFA forest and Acolyte forest. Sets can be difficult for natural things. So TFA is darker to not show any detail on most of the trees. The one thing that maybe would change the set a bit is more wind making the plants moving because of wind. Still I dont want to nit pick. I think it looks pretty damn good.
Bro... they had 180 million dollars.... they could of sprung for some outdoor filming, lol.
@@zerolegacy7821 Which is far less than the TFA budget which was made basically a decade ago and The Acolyte runtime will be more than twice TFA.
@@keithfranklin214 So you're saying they couldn't of sprung for a real outdoor shot for the fight? What's your point exactly? Oh... and no, this show will not be more than twice the run time. You're including intro and credits per episode. I'm talking about the actual show. Last 2 episodes were around 20 minutes of SHOW.
@@zerolegacy7821 I am not including the credits and intro. The total runtime of the season is 280 minutes when you subtract out the credits. The shortest episodes without credits were 29 minutes.
I think it's best if you stay away of production and budgeting aspects of the show if you clearly are just guessing. Do research. Invite a producer or Director of Photography speaker to give their input. Dune kept its budget "cheap" because most of the talent had multi-picture contracts. Less Money in actors might mean more money in Cameras, Glass, lights, rigs, SFX, VFX. Dune got only one Director (with his ADs). A show have multiple Directors each with multiple ADs. In a film the DP asks for equipment given the scenes and pre production meetings, location etc. and THEN tighten his lighting request. In a show, like Star Wars, where we don't always go back to the same locations we have multiple light conditions on different planets and sets that MUST look different. Spaceships looks nice, because they are small sets and similar to rig lights. But towns or places very wide needs bigger and more expensive lights. Expensive in terms of rental and in terms of energy they need. Budget needs to be split even or shared across the whole project when speaking about a multi episode format. There's a lot, and I mean A LOT of things being ignored when the budget arguments comes. As Stanley Kubrick said: It takes 2 years to finish a film (any big project really) and it takes only 2 hours for a critic to destroy it. I would love to see film/show reviewers and critics to spend a week on set with 12hrs+ on a 6 days a weeks schedule to really grasp and understand how hard this things are. And YET not always everything comes across, it always goes down to Script and Budget.
I have a suspicion that Sol will end up being framed for all the murders. He's the only Jedi left from the group that went to the witch planet. He's the only Jedi to survive Qimir's massacre. He knows something about Mae and Osha. I think the Sith master will make it look like Sol killed all those Jedis due whatever happened on the witch planet and that Mae was his secret apprentice.
I had not fought of that, that would be amazing to be honest
Kelnacca might get blamed too.
@@marshsundeenthe dude who has a slash across his chest while sitting on a chair
Wouldn’t they then consider Sol as a Jedi who turned to the Dark Force and became a Sith? The Jedi Council would be made aware of this.
It is not like he can dispute anything.
I think the biggest problem with the actual fans that watched this and have complaints are expecting too much and was even touched on in this video. It’s 100 years before phantom menace and you guys want this show to connect and tell the anikane timeline perfectly and that’s what 3 movies (minimum) that you want summed up in 8 episodes??? I don’t even think fans could agree on how they want that story told
I feel like people want to dislike like stuff before they even received it
You're not wrong. But aside from the Star Wars environment, we all crave GOOD STORY TELLING.
@@BreezeFrey I agree whole heartedly
@@BreezeFrey can you give some examples of how it was bad and what out there is so much better that it is causing such concern? I'm really tired of reading flippant comments from on-line disembodied (perhaps frustrated screenwriters), that generally lambast the show and the writing as bad or lazy...but offer no inclination of what it was they were expecting.
@@GioBruno2006 there are going to be moments that hit or miss. Myself, I thought that the witch musical number was a dud...but it was one of a handful of cringy moments in what I have found to be a decent show. But then again I am a SW fan. My response would be, that isn't for me to decide...I didn't write or produce the show...for all I know it will ultimately fit very well...why judge the entire show for that now? Also, it didn't ruin the show for me so feels like a blip on the radar at this point.
the lightsaber fight was great. give me more of that !!!
I liked the Light Sabre duels. They had the space to perform the top notch wire work in the first episode but this fight was in the forest which limited space, though the Sith looked cool taking out the Jedi using the cover of the foliage. Enjoyed the discussion 😎
I think you are missing the reality of a group of Jedi who only ever dueled each other vs a complete unknown fighting outside anything they have ever seen with a lightsaber and the force. The savagery, the claustrophobia, it would feel rushed and uncomfortable and awkward. I think it’s brilliant.
yes, a group of jedi who have trained dueling each other, working together as a team, as a unit, versus a guy who at best trained against his master, one person, and shouldnt have all that experience.
@@jonmetrick7998with fiction you can equally make an argument that because Sith are always outnumbered, they have real fight experience only in scenarios where the odds aren’t in their favor and requiring them to fight by any means necessary, which we see in this latest episode
@@jonmetrick7998 Jedi will always fight with honor and decency, Sith fight dirty and unfairly
@@jonmetrick7998 Look... I'm not a fan of where this show and to a large extent where Disney is going with their ideas but I have to say, more often then not, Sith apprentices were usually more powerful than their Jedi counter parts. While I agree with you, he shouldn't have been able to cut them down SO easily, canon has already established that Sith gain much power sooner than Jedi. I'm not upset that he ultimately won, just that it should not of been that easy.
But, with all their training, could they not adapt and improvise with the force?
I love Jecki's character I actually gasped when she got killed. IDK it felt pretty brutal and emotional to me. Wish we had seen Sol morn her death more it would have helped with the connection part I think. Like a quick memory flashback of the first time he met her as he stood over her dead body or something. Interesting I never felt the non cinematic take on this until you said it. I see what you guys mean but I still don't think it upset me at all. It sort of felt Dagoba ish with the darkness and trees. Definitely, surprised with how in tune she is as a viewer. I honestly really thought it all looked great. I never thought any of it looked bad and was never taken out of it. oddly enough.
I feel like Sol was more shocked and drew to more anger in his strikes against Qimir after Jecki died. He’ll have more time to mourn her on the ship and after he gets off the planet with Mae disguised as Osha
@@ClassicPatty yeah that’s true for sure.
Sol having a flashback even if it was quick would had really taken away the momentum of the death right then and there. As a storyteller you would want the audience to be in the moment right there with Sol witnessing this. Not recalling another moment altogether that takes away from the emotional impact of a shocking death.
@@fielalmanga true maybe best if that happens on the ship briefly? idk maybe not at all good point.
Jecki put in work and was very impressive, it was hard to watch her die. Yorde on the other hand... I felt nothing.
Yord died like he lived: a chump
Palpatine: "Ironic"
Yord died a hero. his last decision was to do the right thing, break the rules for once, and risk it all to defend his crew.
@@Homjos_Erhas El Correct 💯%
If Acolyte has a budget anywhere close to HoTD … Disney is completely out of their mind and is engaging in gross incompetence
I thought they wanted us to feel that the characters were trapped and stuck in this immense forest, and had no where to go. That’s why they didn’t use more space during the fights. That’s why they kept it in a studio and it wasn’t extended. I don’t think it looked cartoony or cheap in episode 5.
This. And the Sith want to draw the Jedi into close-quarters combat. Giving it a claustrophobic feeling and to also add to the horror feeling/effect.
I agree with this take. I had no problem with actual people on actual sets doing real stunts. Sure, it didn't feel or look like Game of Thrones with light sabers but if you compare the battle of the twins in a single room to this extended forest fight I don't think it is that far off in quality.
Big time agree. While they were roasting the heck out that scene I was like, wasn’t the whole point that this new sith lord is a mystery? I thought they nailed creating a creepy, dark scene where you never really knew where he was or how he was getting from person to person so quickly in the dark of the forest. It also explains his ability to previously find Kelnacca so easily, like he has some connection to the location or something.
@@zoid8692 Absolutely! I love your interpretation. The Siths live in the dark, in hiding. To me, in this show, forests during the Day feel grand (on Brendack, on Khofar), but at Night, they feel small and creepy. Also in Osha’s dream she runs in the forest twice, during the Day and at Night. I thought the contrast with the shots was on purpose.
Agreed. I feel like if this was in a movie format with all the episodes linked as one, people would be praising how the cinematography goes from wide/open to more close/personal as we get closer to uncovering the mystery. There’s ways to justify the creative decisions. Yes, obviously it’s on a stage and they probably only had so much space to work with. But I do think they tried to be creative with the constraints, and whether it worked or not is more a personal view
It's really a joyful thing to see a channel like this and other similars that keep growing taking a more positive perspective, not everything is perfect but not everything is terrible either, i think there's balance even there, and that's the way.. i think you can like or not things but not to dislike it before seeing it or just because others say they're bad, we have to have criteria to check something and decide to keep going or not, and if not go on too, not stay stuck, if it's not for you it's not and that's it, try the next one without prejudice.. all the love for this channel, keep rocking and stay safe....
Very well spoken
treating it like an actual show review instead of trying to be edgy
Eh... my issue is the implication that if I don't like it, I'm a hater. Ryan needs to stop with that crap immediately. It contradicts his own word about that to imply that. Like RYAN says himself, "The ability to speak does not make you intelligent"... well the same can apply to him and his crew. I am not liking this show but I am watching it and giving my honest opinions about it. I'm just tired of people telling me I'm a hater or whatever just cause I don't like the show.
@@zerolegacy7821 there are more reactors being negative than not, so you should not feel singled out.
@@marshsundeen I don't feel singled out, just lumped in with the real haters. Thank you for statement though. I suppose there was a bit of me feeling personally attacked.
Look at real life. There is a world of difference between handing yourself in to the police and them catching and arresting you. Let alone arresting you at the scene of a cop Killing.
But if you watch the scene again, she goes from instinctively defending heraelf to kill-mode the instant Jekki says that Mae is responsible for kiling the witches. That "lie" alongaide the fear of her master years of homicidal hatred towards the jedi and fear of "crine I didn't commit" are why she turns murderous.
The battle was dope, still confused on how the Padawan was able to hold their own and Trinity gets struck down by not even a sith lord.
I'm still figuring out how Obi wan and Ahsoka took down sith lords as Padawan's too!
@@biglove9374 I think it has to do with the inability to control their emotions and their opponents underestimating them because they're not full jedi.
@@biglove9374 So... I personally believe Obi Wan tapped into his anger and won. Not the Jedi way but as a padawan, I can see the laps in control. As far as Ahsoka... by the time she fought and beat Maul she was a monster man. Trained in ways no ordinary padawan would of been trained. Plus... she was far from a padawan by that fight, she was at least at the Knight level although I personally believe she was closer to a Master then a Knight.
Interesting point.
Trinity struck down because of guilt and compassion.
Padawan "held her own" may be due to combination of Sith weakened by numerous battles preceding it, utilization of dark side by Padawan and underestimation of Padawan
@@contingencyradiology8544 if it was compassion then why even put up a fight to begin with? I mean shit the other Jedi didn't he was just like oh yum green juice . Dead.
My tech contribution to my parents was to set parental controls for Fox News.... just set that password at 1234, problem solved and call it a day!
Fox News sucks but there are worse like CNN and MSNBC, all the mainstream news channels are cringe AF
😂😂 there’s worse evils
I’m going to give credit where credit is due. I am all about this channel just trying to have fun and not be pessimistic but I appreciate that you are not disregarding those of us who have legit frustrations with this show. There are some nice elements and great potential but I just don’t feel it lands and I get the feeling that the show runner and directors are wanting to leave their mark on Star Wars as opposed to being these awesome fans of the IP.
I just.... We were all introduced to Star Wars as children. We had the eyes of children. I have to assume 10-16 year olds think this is bloody brilliant. And that's who star wars is made for, not us in their 30s/40s/50s. We have to remember the spirit of star wars and to have the eyes of children. We can critique it sure, but imagine watching anything from Star wars for the first time as someone older than 35. There is a bit of ridiculous that always has to be accepted.
This doesn’t get said enough!!
Thank you, i don't get why people need to keep hearing it but apparently we have to keep saying it
Next Star Wars series then with the Teletubies and a smiling down Darth Sun? Go for it.
Sorry mate, but I have watched TESB as a 4 year old and was hooked up since then, 40 years later still. I watched almost any other Star Wars show and Movie again with my now 10 years old nephew, without influencing him in any way how I feel about Star Wars. And let me tell you something, he is quite adamant about that this show is dumb. I asked him why. He told me, that it is boring and he does not like any of the people in it. They are boring and talk weird. ...A 10 year old saying that... He had no issues with gender, and race and anything in speical for this show. He liked the setting, the swords, all that magical stuff, yet he dropped out on episode 4 already.
Again I asky myself for whom is this show made? A lot of diverse people do not like it, a lot of typical fans don't like it, kids don't like it. ...What is the audience supposed to be?! The only people really hyping this show are doing it for the wrong reasons. For them it has little to do with storytelling, good acting, the setting, or anything, but only the politicum for what the show makers are standing for.
Good story telling can make complex art from a basic Good vs Evil plot. The flaw I believe, is that Star Wars left the GvE plot behind since the last trilogy.
@@BreezeFrey No matter the idea of GvsE, the story has to be appealing. Well, frankly this is not the case in "the Acolyte". The main ideas are interesting, but aside from that, the story is very poor written.
You are blinking a lot while you are talking. That’s sus. Don’t believe what you are saying while you’re talking
You must be new here
I think the discussion is missing a strong possibility, Mundi lied in the PM because he was part of a cover up that didn't inform the Council when they should have.
So you are saying that one of the Jedi who are known as the "big 3" is also a absolute fucking piece of shit? Yoda, Windu & Mundi are literally the top 3 council members at the time of TPM.
This is not what George wanted for his legacy.
THAT... would be crazy.
Part of a cover-up? We don't know that yet. So far, he knows there is someone who apparently was trained in the force, but they're not sure of anything.
@Hawk199031 right?! Like they wouldn't be able to sense the deception.
@@Hawk199031Jesus dude, calm down
I have to say, Heather is getting too hung up on the details when it came to the choreography off the lightsaber fights. She over explained and gets lost in the minutiae, that she interprets is present (Ii.e. the mix of CGI & practical stunts) And, the comparison of the very first fight scene with the wirework, is a moot point b/c it had NO lightsaber action, at all!!!! Yes it was a fantastic scene, but to compare the two or have that be the bar you are using to judge future LIGHTSABER fights against is ludicrous! Apples & Oranges!!
Whatever happened to enjoying the scene for what it is....a fantastic return to lightsaber combat!!
I’m really enjoying this show. It’s fun kind of reminds me of the 90s for some reason. At first part of the reason I was because dump ppl hated it for dumb reasons. And the Jedi being dumb and complacent started back in the prequels. It seems they’re using some of jj Abrham old ideas. Mae called qimir a collector. Shows and movies are rarely perfect. I laugh at the dumb and enjoy the good. I think one of the mother’s are definitely pulling some strings. The qimir was too obvious.
I got the 90s vibe too.
good for you enjoying a show written by incompetent people
I loved that Jeski comes out as a dual wielding Sentinel. She almost beat a Sith Master before biting it.
yeah love that this padawan goes blow for blow with a Sith Lord that just wrecked 8 Jedi Knights. What a joke
@@daveg2938 Touch grass.
@@Facetiously.Esoteric the show is garbage. Cry more. A Padawan with no experience in lightsaber combat is not going to nearly defeat a sith Lord that easily dispatched multiple Jedi knights. I get it you don't actually care that writers give us a somewhat believable story
@@daveg2938I‘m not a fan of this show. The story feels weird and right now not consistent to the lore. Even if somehow it will resolve in the end, I feel that the lore bend is a bit too much. But Jecki becoming stronger because of the hate she feels in this fight is actually not that far off. In the end the „problem“ of this scene might be our interpretation of the „Sith“. For example, if he‘s a Sith Lord, then Jecki bringing him to the edge feels weird. If he‘s an apprentice or an acolyte himself it would be okay. I‘m going with Qimir being an apprentice. And if your point is now that an apprentice should not be able to defeat Jedi masters, then just remember Maul. Still the show is mid and could have been so much more.
@@daveg2938I don't like the show, but claiming other people are crying when you're raging the way you are is comedy good 😂
I am enjoying the show.
I don’t think the forest is any less believable than Yoda’s home in Empire.
Anyway, I enjoy the commentary even when I disagree. Funny, but Star Wars Meg keeps putting up polls about the episodes and this one was far better rated than any of the previous. I think when it is all over, it will be more appreciated.
I struggle with this video. Granted, the show isn’t perfect, but it feels like you’re trying to join the hater bandwagon, just with a little verbal lube in the overture. I keep hearing how the show isn’t “cinematic” enough. It isn’t cinema. It was shot for a different venue, with different budgets and different scheduling than film. Every negative comparison was to a movie. They are two completely different things. If want to let loose on what you don’t like, keep it fair. Constrain the comparisons to other SW limited series are. Or at the very least, compare it to other limited series. Otherwise, we are getting a flase comparison with impossible expectations. I normally like, respect, and appreciate your insights, but feel like this video is trying to accommodate the lowest common denominator.
"So you'll spend your whole Sunday on the couch when you were supposed to pick up your kids from school"... School on Sunday? That sounds like a nightmare!
Sunday school at church
I really don’t understand the hate on this show, mosdef not perfect but I think it’s great 🫶🏻 specially the last episode!!! even though it was obvious who the zith was gonna be, Manny Jacinto killed it he landed the reveal 😀
I agree with Heather about the lack of emotional stakes in the fight and the comparison to the fight in episode 1 (of the show), and Ryan's point about lack of character time. Yord and Jecki were lost too soon without giving their characters time to grow on us... and do we even know the names of the others? We're just red-shirted Jedi now?
And to find out that this wasn't filmed in the volume... yeah, it 100% looks like it was. I hope the rumors about the budget aren't true because wtf where did that money go to?
These people's complaints about the look of the show are absolutely ridiculous. This guy saying "put some effort into" must have no fucking clue how much work goes into making shit like this.
I think we are being a little too over analytical of this show. The show isn’t perfect, but it’s not as bad as Book of Boba and it’s not as great as Andor, it’s good not great. I thought the fight was great, and Manny Jacinto killed it. Let’s just be happy we have good Star Wars to watch.
it's worse than Boba by a wide margin
I concur with your take. Manny is the best part of this show by far.
@@daveg2938 Oh, hell no. Book of Boba Fett was so poorly done they had to do a Mando takeover halfway through it.
@@daveg2938 that might be your opinion...but I bet it isn't widely held. I suppose that actually makes you feel stronger in your conviction though?
@@hoos3014 well I don't see Mando coming in to save this mess. Without that I agree Boba would have been worse
The Phantom Menace: "The Sith have been extinct for a millennia."
Also The Phantom Menace: "Always two there are; a master and an apprentice."
Maybe it's best to not to take George's work too seriously. It's not the religious dogma many Acolyte haters take it for.
Rule of two was created in ktor era which also needs to be adapted
I disagree. It confuses me how many people act like George doesn't know his own IP. It's literally HIS IP... think about that for more than 2 seconds. What makes better sense than just claiming George (the CREATOR of all this) doesn't know what he's talking about is to understand that it was in fact the JEDI who didn't know what they were talking about and believed a thing that simply wasn't true. Rule of 2 was actually hated by many Sith Lords and they often did NOT follow it, including Tenebrous and Plagius. They both had many apprentices. The Jedi believing in the rule of 2 implies that the Jedi also believed that the Sith followed rules... think about how ridiculous that is... the SITH... following rules....
It is as a matter of fact bad, very, very bad. There are no negative review bombing, a term that the studios used to spin the narrative to favor the studio's narrative.
The only review bombing that existed are good reviews during the initial exclusive reviews before the show was aired where mostly all of the reviewers without backbone are desperately trying to win favors from Disney or whichever studio involved so that they would get invites to the next project later on.
I really loved Jecki she was fighting like her heart was on fire
. Had she been a fully realized knight she wins that fight.
I loved her character the most heart the most believable charisma , the best actress casting and believable performances she moves like she could punch above her weight !! Only humanoid character I really liked
Twins plaid by one actor r is a bad idea, no one has ever done it Leslie couldn’t help but try and go way to damn big !! The writers needed to be as good as writers for Fight Club the usual suspects and akirosowa
@@seanperrydjtom hardy did it and nailed it it’s just the actor isn’t good enough to pull it off
@@seanperrydj Yeah... plenty of single actors have done fine playing twins. I don't think that was the problem. I think the problem is that Amandela isn't a good actress. Her portrayal of Osha was ok but her portrayal of Mae is just weak.
@@zerolegacy7821 yeah the actress isn't bad she's just not objectively great enough to really pull off what she's being asked to do.
Bad writing, acting, plot. Oh and that awful witch chant. Maybe good for 10 year olds.
I think some people forget that we, the viewers have more knowledge than the characters in the story. We are in the third person view and see much more than the characters. Try putting yourselves in the characters shoe.
Imagine being a Jedi in the same room as Ki Adi Mundi, at this point its only about a day after your communications with Sol. You sent a team consisting of Masters, Knights and Padawans to make contact with another Master to capture one Jedi killer. Based on what was presented, the killer had an accomplice and a Master, so 3 people at most. 10 well-trained Jedi is definitely enough for the job. Would you expect some casualties? Maybe, but for all of them to be dead? Probably not. At this point you have no reason to expect for things to go wrong.
Imagine being Mae. You just told your plans to the Master and he's here to kill you. The Jedi is here to capture you. You're f**ked. You're scared; the best you could do right now is to get away as fast as possible.
A lot of things makes sense if you look at a different perspective.
Not to nitpick, but with a group of Jedi, you should have used the word "are".
if im mae, and i love my sister so much that i want to turn myself into the jedi, im fighting the dude whose murdering them instead of running away. show dont tell. completely lost on these writers. yeah she murdered jedi who she had a personal vendetta against and she knows shes a criminal, but saving their lives by working with them and striking down the sith dude would have been suberting expectations and gone a long way towards showing her arc...but thats way to advanced for these writers.
This adds up to
@@jonmetrick7998yeaaaa why didn’t Mae fight the master made no sense
Actually... I disagree. At the point you're referring to, 2 Jedi MASTERS have already been killed. They really should of taken it more seriously than they did but instead they sent Sol and what pretty much amounted to the B Team... Not many people in this universe can kill a Jedi master much less 2 of them, at least in the Jedi's eyes. So the fact that they are aware that a single person (and they are aware that it's one person... not 2 or 3) killed 2 masters and yet they still only send the Rookie Squad makes little sense.
Mae intended to turn herself into the Wookie and had that plan all set up to give up her master. But as soon as she sees him dead and her master appear all that went out the window. She now has to survive because her master was there to kill the Jedi and her for betraying him. She is now in a panic because she's in the wrong place/wrong time with her master and a dead Jedi (after she's already killed two) so she now just has to get away especially from her master.
Not that hard to understand honestly.
nice mental gymnastics to excuse the horrible writing of this show
I can see your point and it would make sense if the actor did a better job on delivery. It makes more sense with how the actor is portraying her that she is just psychotic and has a dual personality issue. Which would make sense if Mae really did try to kill Osha when they were kids.
Beat me to this. This take has been all over RUclips. I didn't think it was that difficult
Thank you for this. I feel like I'm a pretty competent viewer, but the acting didn't sell me this. That's my frustration with this show. The explanations, theories, back lores, and future set-ups are extremely more interesting than what the writers and actors are selling me.
To Colton's question, Mae's objective changed when she realized her master was on Khofar. She no longer wanted to turn herself in and instead wanted to run away. Still agreed that it would be more rational to submit to Jecki and push her to return to their ship and escape her master, but she was operating out of fear, not rationality.
I also wish we lived in a world where this show would have the time and ability to find its footing and really develop to its full potential
Well... they had 180 million and are really not constrained for time. They totally did have the time, resource and ability to allow the story to find it's footing, they just chose not to and that says a lot about their motivation. A TRUE Star Wars fan would have done that...
Every Star Wars project has problems for someone. None of it was flawless. Period
Straw man. Double period. This show is awful. Others weren't.
Held back by constraints of this medium?
180mil bucks?