Doing A Tarot Reading As Aleister Crowley Would Have 🧐
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- Hi everyone, I hope this interesting and detailed reading was interesting and fun, let me know how it went if you followed along 😄 Likewise, let me know if you've done this before, your findings, and if I made any mistakes (I want to learn)! As always, much love and well wishes to you all 💖
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Hi there. Thank you for making this video. It is such a difficult spread to understand and perform, so I appreciate the work and effort you have put in it. I wasn't gonna criticise and point out the things you (kind of) did wrong because I don't see myself in a position to do so, but since in your description you said I should, here goes some of the more important mistakes you made:
* You put the four piles in the right order but you named them incorrectly. Y is the 1st from right, H is 2nd, V 3rd and H is the one on the left.
* When counting, you should definitely count the card itself. For example at 12:42 you should have counted the Knight of Wands and ended up on the Ace of Wands.
* You shouldn't change the placements of the cards, so do not take them out of the spread, but rather simply push them out a little to know they have been chosen. Crowley says you should make a story out of these cards but he doesn't say that the "not chosen" ones are useless. There are also some practitioners who use all the cards in the spread, not just the chosen ones. This is also important because of the next mistake:
* I don't know why or how, but you skipped an important step: Pairing. You should pair the cards on either sides of the significator and make another story to fill in the gaps of the story you told using counting. For example at 21:33 the pairing would go like this: 6Disk/4Wands - PrinceSword/KnightSword - Death/6Sword.
These were some mistakes, that I believe were due to your misunderstanding of Crowley's text. I could challenge some of the choices you've made for parts that Crowley leaves out and how I (or other practitioners, including other Golden Dawn members) would have made different ones (for example the significator card, or using reverse cards etc.) but I believe that requires another video and another time. So again thank you for this video and I hope you continue making more of them :)
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I think it would be better to put the name of the spread in the title or description. I've searched for videos on "Opening of the Key Spread" but this never showed up.
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This is one of my favorite tarot videos ever. A really interesting and in-depth presentation of different ways of looking at the cards and using the cards with other systems like astrology. Thanks James!
You are too kind! I'm glad you enjoyed it, so fun to play around with different styles of reading the cards to see what we can get out of it 😆 Best wises your way 💚💚
What a brilliant video, just loved it. I’m not a Thoth fan, like my True Black tarot to much to change systems. But the way you used the cards is very similar to the style I use. Again wonderful video James
Very interesting! It's fun to know reading styles can span across all system of tarot, thank you for sharing that 😄
Kind of thinking the gaps in the book may be there to allow the conductor of the operation to form an individual way of making it their own. A big round table with a zodiacal wheel on it came to mind for me for some reason to help keep things in line. Definitely more to it than meets the eye.
Oooh, I like the way you think!
Brilliant idea
Brilliant I've always hoped I could see the "opening of the key" spread start to finish, well done and this definitely makes me want to keep trying to perfect the 5 operations 🥳🙏🏻🥳 thank you for this video
I'm so glad you enjoyed it 😆 Best of luck with your readings, many thanks for watching! 💚
Beautiful video mate!
But i think the sequence of Fire Water Air Earth in the first operation is from Right to Left. With fire being the right most stack.
Hebrew is read from right to left so the same sequence is followed while cutting the deck.
Thank you for that, you are totally right!
Yah Crowley has put in his books a double blind where he starts with Air... I totally agree start with Fire
Fascinating! I commend you for diving in to give us this in-depth video. Happy Holidays, James. ❤
Happy Holiday to you as well 💚
@@jamesfeeney623 Thank you, you beautiful soul. I’m so glad I found you. I hang on every word you speak, and so admire your eloquence.
I am attempting this as my first reading with the deck after finally finishing the DuQuette book. I've gotten through the first operation. Lol. Question "what do I need to know about working with this deck?" It was in thr first pack of work and business.
I ended up with 10 cards. The magus, the aeon, ace of swords, princess of wands, 10 of swords, theemperor, the sun, 3 of swords, the chariot and 8 of swords.
(Significator princess of cups)
I took it to mean that this deck will take me to the ringer but will elevate me to the next level, instigating a huge metamorphosis which will involve struggle and sorrow and great difficulties to overcome but also lead to victory and glory. With also a warning not to get to big for my britches. I feel like it was a pretty powerful readimg. (And that's just the first operation)... gives me a feeling of hold on to your seat! Big things ahead.
Second operation, infuesswd correctly (second guess of 2and house-- value)
6 cards (and all but 1 were in the first operation.
10 of swords, 3.of swords, 4 of wands, princess of cups, the chariot and the emperor.
Gives me a really combatant kind of feeling. Like this deck is gonna go rounds with me. Lol. But ultimately I'll come out on top, with victory and sovereignty.
LOVE this! so fascinating to see... how interesting to think one would simply abandon the divination! it’s similar in geomancy... if the judge is the geomantic figure populus, you would be asked to come back and ask your question again at a later date. In Crowley’s case, it would be the reader who is wrong. In geomancy, it would be the reading. But to me, anything that comes up always has something to say. 😁
Yes! It is so funny and interesting you mention that, Crowley speaks to Geomancy a bit in The Book of Thoth, some of the cards were designed with it in mind. I agree with you, there's always something to be learned so why not keep going? Best wishes 💚💚
HUH 😅 I can only imagine all the time that the creation of this video took! I have been wanting to try this along time but never just got to it. I actually think that this was helpful even it might not have been perfectly correct...don’t know. But atleast for me the lowered the threshold of trying it. Maybe even with the way of aborting the mission if the right pile’s are not picked.
But this needs alot of room and an empty house 😅 maybe a glass of wine also 🍷 Thanks James! This was a monsterous topic to pick and you did it well.
I would love to see you go through the operations! It was a lot to delve into for sure 😂 I should have had that glass of wine! 💚
Si in effetti interrompere la lettura davanti a un consultante oggi , non è il massimo, o tirare a indovinare, visto che il consultante ti parla della sua questione.. ed anch'io per quello preferisco non usarli anche se li adoro. A meno che non sia corretto usarli ognuno a modo proprio..boh .. che ne pensate ?
James,
I want to compliment you on such a fabulous demonstration! This only could be accomplished because of a studious dedication to learning the multitudes of individual fundamental principles and attributes encoded into each card as well as the multitudes of principles and attributes encoded into the entire system. You have been able to take that and couple it with an internal clarity and understanding of universal truths and and you are becoming unquestionably well read in this cosmic language and rightfully so. It was a joy for me to watch your demonstration thank you...
Oh wow, thank you so much Jack, your kind words are much appreciated ☺️ It sounds like we have a lot in common where these things are concerned, I'd love to know how you get on with your studies and readings, it sounds like you have a rich and deep practice! Best wishes your way ✨✨
I absolutely adored this video. I even got my Book of Thoth out and followed along. I loved it!
This is very interesting to see how Crowley would have read the Tarot! Fascinating - thanks so much for sharing this James 🙏
Thank you so much ☺️💕
Dude, that was nothing short of heroic! The more I learn about Crowley, the sorrier I feel for him. I can't imagine having to work THAT HARD for answers! 😆 I do love the notion of playing hide-and-seek with the significator, though. Lots of fun little nuggets, but as a process--oy vey!
Oh that Crowley! The idea of this is intriguing. I will definitely be trying this after I rewatch the vid a couple of times of course. Thanks for sharing this.
I'd love to know how it goes for you! Many thanks for watching ☺️
Doing this!!! Love these kinds of videos!!!!
I'm glad! Thank you ☺️
That was great 💖
Hey there, 🙏 ‘s for the vid. Quick (somewhat off topic & random...) question, can you please link / tell me where I may be able to find the “Thoth” deck with the borders cut off? I’m unsuccessful in my searches. TY & have a good day.
Thanks for this difficult demo. I do not think you got the order right at 6:40 for the YHVH as is says right to left that beeing said
Thankyou so very much! You are a breath of fresh air, so sincere and inspiring. You've helped me enormously. A question...do your know the Thoth tarot expert Paul Hughes-Barlow? I think he will resonate with you. I've known him a long time, he's got a channel on RUclips.
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How interesting. I will have to check further into this. Thank you for sharing.
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Impressive but it feels like Crowley finds as much possibilities to cheat his way out of doing a reading and help somebody out 😳
Excellent. Thank you for this.
This isn't to be mean I just find it funny how much you fail at making circles
Like I get why becasue you want all the cards to be in frame, while also still making a shape where you can see the order of the cards
But it still makes me laugh
On the 4th operation, my significator was the 2nd to the last card. So I didnt have 36 cards following him. I suppose I could start back at the begining of the deck, but I prefer to simply count it as only those 2 cards.🤣🤣🤣
I got luxury 4 of cups.
Ha, I love it! Yes, it can become an agonizing process, best to just do what feels right 😆
Amazing! I must try this with my mini Thoth Tarot deck
I love the deck you are using! Did you trim it, or is it sold this way? Could I have the name of it please?
It's the Thoth Tarot deck, I took the larger size and trimmed the borders! I have a video on how I did it, I hope that helps 😄
Wow! That's how I do readings😱...if I don't tell the client why they come to the reading, the reading stops because it means no connection.
Oh wow, what an interesting way to read! 😄
Nicely done video, but I think you have misunderstood Crowley's instruction on counting. He says to count the cards from the Significator, by which he means that the Significator is regarded as the 1st card in the sequence. What Crowley means is that when we count, we include the card we are counting from as the first card. In your example (at 12:45 minutes of the video), the Significator is the Knight of Wands, so the 4th card in the sequence from the Knight is the Ace of Wands toward which the Knight is facing. Crowley learned counting from his work with the Golden Dawn. If you have Regardie's book on the Golden Dawn, look on page 571 where he gives a worked example of counting. The Significator is counted as #1 in the sequence. Another minor point: Aleister Crowley pronounced his name as "Crow (as in the bird 'crow') + lee". I recall reading in one of his biographies that he often said to people who mispronounced his name, ""The name is Crowley, it rhymes with Holy. It isn't Crowley, that rhymes with foully." He is also quoted has having recited the limerick:
"My name it is Aleister Crowley
A master of Magick unholy
Of philtres and pentacles
Covens, conventicles
Of basil, nepenthe, and moly."
what is the significator?or who?
@@jahazieltremblay1702 The significator is simply the card that represents someone or something you are asking about.
Ciao, video esplicativo..manca la parte della bacchetta magica e del rituale invocativo . Scusami quindi tu come usi questo mazzo, fedelmente come dice Crowley, quindi bacchetta ecc.. abbandoni letture nel caso non indovini ecc... Oppure hai un metodo tuo , secondo le tue capacità..? parlo per le stese di lettura .
Grazie mille
Nicely done, James, and thank you. It is like with each operation one shines a slightly different, sometimes overlapping lens on the matter at hand, effectively covering a lot of territory.
That's a great way to put it! Many thanks for watching ☺️💚
Great video! Thanks ☺️
in my french book you need to start counting including the card that represent you .Just saying.
Thanks young man!! Awesome 😎 reading!! Blessed be 🙏
Your channel material is absolutely awesome!!!
Hi James, I totally loved this process. The video was great.
What a fascinating means of divination! Thank you for taking the time to make the video, I really appreciated it.
I am super interested in doing the divination. I have the Thoth deck and I use it every day.
Lovely to meet you here.
Many thanks, Dean in Melbourne, Australia. 🙏🌞🌟🌈
I'm glad it was fun to watch! Many thanks, from one Thoth lover to another 😄
You must read the name of Yehovah (IHVH) from right to left.
I was recently recommended your channel, looking forward to watching more of your videos, great quality!
Did you trim the cards yourself?
Sudden death is a stop of illness or painful experience, some one suffering from illness like cancer or disease,so it can be sad but it’s a good thing, because the person is no longer suffering.
I like your perspective on that, thank you so much for sharing it ☺️💖
Thank you amazing video and explaination. I have a question, Crowley says that the 4 piles on first operation represent "IHVH, from right to left", so, the final order sould be HVHI?
Wow, what a challenge this was very confusing but really fun to watch you go through it step by step. Made me laugh when halfway you said this is a long video so if you are still here welcome aboard lol. I didn't think it was too long at all, thanks for sharing
Yes very confusing and in the book (I'm reading DuQuette) where he talks about counting cards I did not understand that at all!! I thought he meant.to add up the values and I was rrally.confused as there was no instruction of what that meant. Lol
Yes very confusing and in the book (I'm reading DuQuette) where he talks about counting cards I did not understand that at all!! I thought he meant.to add up the values and I was rrally.confused as there was no instruction of what that meant. Lol
Thank you for this in depth video!
You are too kind! 💚💚
is there an update to the operational doubts you had?
Wow that's a lot! Ive never seen a method quite like this itd be interesting to try it/incorporate elements.. I wonder how many readings crowley "gave up on" with this method 😂 Lots of Inspo here thanks for sharing
I would love to know that as well, I can only imagine how many people had readings cut off because of this method 😂😂
@@jamesfeeney623 I was thinking that too watching this
Like, in other readings, just becasue a reading subverts our expectations, most would consider that MORE reason to move forward, because that, obviously, provokes some intrigue as to why it's contradictory to expectations
Like why not continue? Maybe its not accurate, but perhaps it is, and its touching on something much deeper than what you'd immediately asume the situation is about
All this "abandoning the reading" stuff, is based on if the reading subvert's the reader's expectationts, but that is going to happen alot. Maybe not the majority of the time, but every now and then, but even those readings have had some truth in them for me. I only stop a reading if what it appears to be talking about is insanely off of what was asked, to the point where you question what the cards are even responding to. At that point, the cards have lost their utility because you have no idea of any sort of context
Hmm, I tend to place the elemental attribution of the piles from right to left, being that יהוה is read in that direction.
You would be right!
Thanks a lot.
Did he actually read from his own deck? I thought they weren't published until after he died.
No he didn’t read with his own deck because the Thoth wasn’t published til after he died. I believe he read with the Etteilla Tarot, someone correct me if im wrong.
He probably read with any number of decks, but only mentioned a couple in his writings. He did have a well worn Oswald Wirth Tarot (a kind of modernized version of TdM from c1889) among his belongings after his death. Yes, he never actually used the deck he created with Lady Frieda Harris. So sad, I think he would have liked it.
I believe he had a personal copy, I could be wrong, though. That would be something I need to look into a bit more, thank you for bringing that up! 💚
Fun ❤
Fabulous
thank you for the thoth tarot reading presentation!
I am learning the opening of the key from Paul Hughes Barlow’s videos. He teaches that you do count the card you are counting from. He also names the 4 piles Fire, water air and earth starting from the right and going left, ie the same order they were cut. I am going to have to read over this section of TBOT and compare..
I love it, that does sound very similar! I know many use variations of these operations, they are a cool practice to have under one's belt. Thank you, and best wishes 💖
Counting the significator as “1” is also how I have learned, and seen demonstrated. The next count, “1” starts on the card you previously landed on. The only once I’ve seen who deviates from that method is Benenell Wen. She starts counting as “1” the significator, but subsequent counts, she starts numbering after the card landed on.
@@deckharlot Very interesting, thank you for sharing 😄
Crowley does say to count tbe card ;) he even read that, but there was so much going on I think he got confused. However I think he still.got. valid reading :)
"Crowley" rhymes with "Holy"!
Fascinating video! I don't think I'd ever Crowley's technique myself - it's just so far from my reading style.
The Thoth tarot wasn't published in Crowley's lifetime - his personal deck was the Wirth Tarot. Be interested in seeing if you can use Crowley's techniques with that deck.
This is really cool and interesting!
I have a mini Thoth deck I'll try this with! I'm second Decan in Sagittarius too. 9th December 😊
A fellow Sag, I love it! 😄
Birthday twins! 85 line
Hi and thank you so much for this great video! I am not sure about some things: HOW does the querent choose the significant card? is the reader shuffling or the querent? Thanks a lot!
Thank you! 🤍 Lots of love and light! ✨ 111!
very interesting video thank you. nice hands and rings btw
Wow your eyes are very pretty! Also very helpful
A great video! Thank you
I think just choosing one of these exercises would serve to be beneficial without the drawn out process. Crowley always seems to be a bit eccentric and a bit overwhelming. No offense to anyone. But the exercises alone seem very powerful.
I agree! There are many readings where I will do the first operation and then proceed with whatever the reading entails. Love your thoughts, as always, Amy 💚💚
I think it's way more than necessary. Fun to try one time but... it's just crazy, shuffle, invocation, divide into 72 piles, count (the counting reminds me of cootie catcher counting and those tests we give each other in middle school to see who we will marry and were we will live) for 15 minutes and finally reduce to 4 cards that you actually interpret. Lol. It's just a *bit* much. 😉😁
thanks for this !!
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You lost me at "We aren't going to start the count with the significator"? This would is effect render any reading incorrect, as you would indeed count the significator in any instance. Hence the thumbs down. I would kindly refer you and your viewers to a video made over ten years back which may provide some clarity to you in this regard. Please see youtuber Nick of Cups OPENING OF THE KEY: First Op. Note: Linear Spread. Your swirl, if that's what you would call it, although a personalized touch perhaps would make pairing through triplicity rather challenging as well I might add.
wow! This is a very involved reading procedure! But after all the work I would imagine it could be an amazing reading irl.
It is definitely involved 😂 I'm not sure I would recommend it for practical use, but to do for fun or as an exercise it was great 😄
Ahh, Aleister Crowley's master mad mind at its best! 😉 👍
Seriously, he had a brilliant occult philosophy, though wish he placed less of an interpretation of himself IN the Thoth deck.
Though, I do enjoy Lon DuQuette's references about Crowley in "Understanding the Thoth".
I love the way you put it, and tend to agree! Many thanks for watching 💖
In this monotonous Celtic cross stricken world a video like this is refreshing 😂.
Ha! No hard feelings toward the good ole' Celtic Cross, but this one does it a run for its money 😂
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I bought this tarot deck today to go with my other decks but I actually place this deck on my satanic altar tonight but I love this deck very much. Great video as well. Hail The Light 🤘😈🤘 p.s. I’m a big fan of Alister Crawley that help make this deck. And they say something about him in the mini book that you get in this deck.I actually like making my own tarot decks.
I wonder what Uncle Aleister would have done with this young man...? Put away the cards Id geuss.
I think you're right!
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Aliester Crowley is evil.