When I worked the DC9’s, our airline trained that the primary exits for the aft flight attendant were the window exits, not the tailcone. NW1482 was an example of what a death trap it could be back there. The flight attendant attempted a jettison of the tailcone, which failed due to improper maintenance of the cable release surrounding the tailcone itself-a flight attendant and a passenger died.
The tail cone exit... this brings back a memory when i was flying an AirTran B717 with my family to Florida. I was a wise guy teenager and had to ask my mother what happens when you open the tail cone exit in a ditching. My mom, a woman who knows nothing about aviation or aircraft evacuations told me you know what will happen it will sink the plane in the water. So now as an adult, I at least have some hope for people in evacuation scenarios.
This is not a realistic training simulation because you KNOW the passengers will still go and grab all of their carry ons and go down the chute with everything including their rollers.
Realistically, as a former flight attendant, that happens very rarely. In a crisis, people respond well to direction, if they know the person directing them is about to save their lives. But, there's always that ONE Karen.....
This will not be confusing when put together with the big picture. The command to STAY SEATED is only given during the interim time between when the captain says EASY VICTOR, EASY VICTOR, EASY VICTOR and EVACUATE, EVACUATE, EVACUATE. This is the time during which the crew is prepping for evac. The pilots are shutting down the engines. It gives the flight attendants warning that an evacuation is coming without letting the passengers know, so they don’t rush the exits before it’s safe to evacuate. During this time all flight attendants will be shouting STAY SEATED, so it will not be conflicting with other exits. Then when the actual evacuation command is given, all FAs will begin the evacuation together and with the same phraseology. The STAY BACK command is used later on if there’s a malfunction at the tailcone. My airline dropped the EASY VICTOR command but in my opinion should bring it back.
Unless you've experienced a real evac. you don't realize a couple of things. The first is it happens very fast. The second is the shouting actually keeps people calm. The third (yes I know) is you are literally shoved out of the aircraft. This process from beginning to end takes about ten seconds.
I am a mechanically inclined person and at first glance It is not apparent how that strap is supposed to be released. If you took a regular person and put them under stress I could easily see that being an issue.
I think the biggest thing to note is that the strap is the same strap that you have as your seat belt. That is done for a reason so there is no confusion on how to operate and release that strap, and why flight attendants instruct passengers on how to operate their seatbelts. @@mbox314
53 REAL TIME SECONDS BEFORE THE FIRST PASSENGER COULD BE EVACUATED. This is UNACCEPTABLE. You have 90 seconds to get off a plane mandated by the FAA. This leaves 37 seconds to get how many people off this plane? Not good enough. I can't determine if this is because Md had such complicated instructions to get out of the tail or if it is Delta training, but either way, in an evacuation, it will not be as calm and organized and well lit like this video, so leaving 37 seconds to get everyone passengers and crew off that plane in chaos just ain't happening and it isn't right.
It's better to redirect them to another exit and then try and get the exit open rather than have them storm on through and crush you, especially if you can't release/open it due to a mechanical fault as you'd now be trapped behind everyone.
The tailcone had a history of jamming in real evacuations. I think they assumed that if it didn't come out on the first try, it was highly likely that it wasn't going to deploy at all.
ruclips.net/video/P4DM0xF7xTE/видео.html The catwalk is the platform leading to the emergency exit. It IS NOT the same as the air stairs. In this video you'll see the catwalk lift up when ground personnel open the air stairs. Air stairs are only controlled on the OUTSIDE. There is no interior control to the aft air stairs.
What will happen if a “Karen” is involved in this evacuation? I suspect it will end with a fist fight and passengers evacuating in a much more orderly fashion.
it’s a manual indicator for arm/disarmed status. It is used to communicate to outside crew that the door is armed. in an emergency you need to remove it to see outside.
Not much room for me to carry my 2 large hand bags and 5 litres of Duty Free... I'm being sarcastic but seriously I've seen so many Evacuations where passengers are doing exactly that :((
Because that may not work out and it wastes time. Everyone's supposed to be out of an aircraft in 90 seconds with half of the exits blocked. Very tight timeframe.
There's accident involving Northwest DC-9 in 1990 (Wayne County runway collision), which flight attendant and a passenger were killed in walkway, because the tail-cone couldn't be jettisoned.
I pretty sure they need to hire some psychologists and emergency response experts to simplify their procedures. This is WAY too complicated for panicked passengers to properly follow.
lwnf360 No it's not. The passengers do not need to know how to open the exit and are simply directed to come to one exit or redirected to another exit. The flight attendant is solely responsible for understanding the procedures involved. Though I'm not a particular fan of the tailcone as an exit, all airline door training is extremely similar and may involve redirecting passengers. Flight attendants are generally quite good at evacuating aircraft, largely due to scads of training on exits and procedures like this.
Because this isn't for passengers. This video is for flight crew who need to be able to operate the little used tail exit on the aircraft. The only thing passengers need to do in this case is 'stay seated' until they are told to get up and prepare for evacuation. Then they need to follow commands telling them to either move backwards to the tail of the plane and leave like they do for ANY OTHER door. That's it. Stay seated until they're told to, and then get up, and leave like any other door. It's not hard.
Guess it's better than nothing (F100) but man, what a pain in the ass. Can you imagine actually trying to use this crap in real life? I think the Douglas people were dropping acid when they designed this fun house. Love the peep hole -- great idea, like using a microscope during a plane crash. At least on the 727, there was actually a proper window.
I use to work on this dam slave ship for USAir. I and most Fight Attendants HATED working this tube. No place to get away from passengers and if you were stuck in the Third position (between two dam lav’s) you would NEVER live in an accident and the tail cone ejection is a joke because it impedes the use of the slid
@@bmc9504 That's not what's happening. The commands change. They say go forward because the exit doesn't work. In the event that there's no choice, they call them back to exit having manually dealt with the exits, and then telling people to stay away so they don't rush her while she's opening the door.
@@bmc9504 Uh No... If You Open The Door And The Tailcone Is Does Not Fall Off The Aircraft You Are To Evacuate Through Other Exits, And As A Last Resort Jettison The Tailcone Manually
Why the hell does this remind me of my weirdest rescue cat? Once he ate a foam earplug.Then I had to (carefully) pull a pink earplug from his black bootyhole.Then right after,he,erm,"evacuated"all over the kitchen tiles.
Always do exactly opposite what they say to save yourself. They want to save maximum amount of people and that may cost your life. It’s survival of the strongest. Darwin wins!!!
“BAD EXIT GO FORWARD. ORWARD. ORWARD. ORWARD.”
i guess in an emergency the plane doubles as an echo chamber
I love how the tailcone door in that training fuselage has residential door hinges!
better have all airplane as home
When I worked the DC9’s, our airline trained that the primary exits for the aft flight attendant were the window exits, not the tailcone. NW1482 was an example of what a death trap it could be back there. The flight attendant attempted a jettison of the tailcone, which failed due to improper maintenance of the cable release surrounding the tailcone itself-a flight attendant and a passenger died.
That tail cone drill in initial was awful. I remember it well back in Eagan
6:54 OWARD OWARD OWARD
The tail cone exit... this brings back a memory when i was flying an AirTran B717 with my family to Florida. I was a wise guy teenager and had to ask my mother what happens when you open the tail cone exit in a ditching. My mom, a woman who knows nothing about aviation or aircraft evacuations told me you know what will happen it will sink the plane in the water. So now as an adult, I at least have some hope for people in evacuation scenarios.
“I have to use the bathroom first!”
-my wife
This is not a realistic training simulation because you KNOW the passengers will still go and grab all of their carry ons and go down the chute with everything including their rollers.
Darren Dupre - And should all be arrested and prosecuted for breaking the law ...
well that's not true, there are many evacuation videos online and you only see one or two idiots with suitcases.
Realistically, as a former flight attendant, that happens very rarely. In a crisis, people respond well to direction, if they know the person directing them is about to save their lives. But, there's always that ONE Karen.....
False people don't care about anything but their own bodies in an emergency. Just look at the landing on the Hudson, every carry on got left behind.
@@alec4672 as a flight attendant, I'd much rather people lose their belongings than their lives....
This will not be confusing when put together with the big picture. The command to STAY SEATED is only given during the interim time between when the captain says EASY VICTOR, EASY VICTOR, EASY VICTOR and EVACUATE, EVACUATE, EVACUATE. This is the time during which the crew is prepping for evac. The pilots are shutting down the engines. It gives the flight attendants warning that an evacuation is coming without letting the passengers know, so they don’t rush the exits before it’s safe to evacuate. During this time all flight attendants will be shouting STAY SEATED, so it will not be conflicting with other exits. Then when the actual evacuation command is given, all FAs will begin the evacuation together and with the same phraseology. The STAY BACK command is used later on if there’s a malfunction at the tailcone. My airline dropped the EASY VICTOR command but in my opinion should bring it back.
GOTTA LOVE THOSE MAD DOG AIRCRAFT!!
*STAY SEATED*
science for idiots STAY BACK
BAD EXIT GO FOWARD
Unless you've experienced a real evac. you don't realize a couple of things. The first is it happens very fast. The second is the shouting actually keeps people calm. The third (yes I know) is you are literally shoved out of the aircraft. This process from beginning to end takes about ten seconds.
It looked like the tail cone was of questionable reliability
all these emergency procedures, even considering the critical failure of the doors and people still get anxious on aircraft
I miss the MD80/88/90 series. They had so much more room than the newer 737's.
Having the customer release the strap sounds like a sticking point for me
I assume the first passenger in line is a fool and is in an incoherent panic
Exactly. Sounds like a recipe for disaster.
I am a mechanically inclined person and at first glance It is not apparent how that strap is supposed to be released. If you took a regular person and put them under stress I could easily see that being an issue.
It’s not uncommon to assign a duty to an able bodied person. Even in a planned ditching you instruct a passenger on operation of the doors.
I think the biggest thing to note is that the strap is the same strap that you have as your seat belt. That is done for a reason so there is no confusion on how to operate and release that strap, and why flight attendants instruct passengers on how to operate their seatbelts. @@mbox314
The most important thing to know is that the word "aft" may be used as an adjective or as an adverb; but never as a noun.
imagine ditching and still yelling "stay back! stay back!" while everyone is out of the plane safely. LMFAO
THOUGH,THE TAILCONE WILL NOT BE USED TO EVACUATE IN A DITCHING( WATER LANDING)
@@honeymoonLDRX *EXACTLY* duh!
TAILCONE is not a ditching exit, it would be “BAD EXIT, GO FORWARD!”
Can I ask for more trainibg videos from delta?
53 REAL TIME SECONDS BEFORE THE FIRST PASSENGER COULD BE EVACUATED. This is UNACCEPTABLE. You have 90 seconds to get off a plane mandated by the FAA. This leaves 37 seconds to get how many people off this plane? Not good enough. I can't determine if this is because Md had such complicated instructions to get out of the tail or if it is Delta training, but either way, in an evacuation, it will not be as calm and organized and well lit like this video, so leaving 37 seconds to get everyone passengers and crew off that plane in chaos just ain't happening and it isn't right.
This plane has other exits, plus the timer starts after Door opening and slide deployment after “Evacuate”
What is the link to go to the site?
Interesting Especially The Stewardess Evacuating.
I’d go with her
Why would you turn the passengers away before attempting to manually jettison the tail cone?
It's better to redirect them to another exit and then try and get the exit open rather than have them storm on through and crush you, especially if you can't release/open it due to a mechanical fault as you'd now be trapped behind everyone.
The tailcone had a history of jamming in real evacuations. I think they assumed that if it didn't come out on the first try, it was highly likely that it wasn't going to deploy at all.
.why not just pull the hadel if it dosent come off
It still may not and that wastes a fair amount of time.
How do they pull the catwalk down?
It's hydraulic. There's a control inside the cabin and then one on the outside next to where it's lowered
ruclips.net/video/P4DM0xF7xTE/видео.html The catwalk is the platform leading to the emergency exit. It IS NOT the same as the air stairs. In this video you'll see the catwalk lift up when ground personnel open the air stairs. Air stairs are only controlled on the OUTSIDE. There is no interior control to the aft air stairs.
What will happen if a “Karen” is involved in this evacuation? I suspect it will end with a fist fight and passengers evacuating in a much more orderly fashion.
People don’t listen. Poor FA going to get trampled.
That’s the Boeing 717
Nathan Higa virtually the same aircraft just after Boeing purchased McDonald Douglas
Kevin Steele Hawaiian Airlines has 20 Boeing 717 aircraft.
Appomattox Rose Hawaiian airlines has 20 Boeing 717 aircraft.
What about it?
what does the red tape on the door do?? The one thats next to the emergency handle????
it’s a manual indicator for arm/disarmed status. It is used to communicate to outside crew that the door is armed.
in an emergency you need to remove it to see outside.
Not much room for me to carry my 2 large hand bags and 5 litres of Duty Free...
I'm being sarcastic but seriously I've seen so many Evacuations where passengers are doing exactly that :((
If the tailcone doesn’t come off, why tell them to go to another exit when you could go to the back and open it as if another exit wasn’t working?
Because that may not work out and it wastes time. Everyone's supposed to be out of an aircraft in 90 seconds with half of the exits blocked. Very tight timeframe.
Ryan Novosielski ok thanks
If the automatic system doesn’t drop it it might be damaged or blocked.
There's also a chance of people getting crushed in the catwalk section if it can't be opened in time.
There's accident involving Northwest DC-9 in 1990 (Wayne County runway collision), which flight attendant and a passenger were killed in walkway, because the tail-cone couldn't be jettisoned.
I pretty sure they need to hire some psychologists and emergency response experts to simplify their procedures. This is WAY too complicated for panicked passengers to properly follow.
yep..
lwnf360 No it's not. The passengers do not need to know how to open the exit and are simply directed to come to one exit or redirected to another exit. The flight attendant is solely responsible for understanding the procedures involved. Though I'm not a particular fan of the tailcone as an exit, all airline door training is extremely similar and may involve redirecting passengers. Flight attendants are generally quite good at evacuating aircraft, largely due to scads of training on exits and procedures like this.
this is a crew training video. its not expected for passengers to be able to operate the tailcone exit themselves.
Because this isn't for passengers. This video is for flight crew who need to be able to operate the little used tail exit on the aircraft. The only thing passengers need to do in this case is 'stay seated' until they are told to get up and prepare for evacuation. Then they need to follow commands telling them to either move backwards to the tail of the plane and leave like they do for ANY OTHER door. That's it. Stay seated until they're told to, and then get up, and leave like any other door. It's not hard.
Guess it's better than nothing (F100) but man, what a pain in the ass. Can you imagine actually trying to use this crap in real life? I think the Douglas people were dropping acid when they designed this fun house. Love the peep hole -- great idea, like using a microscope during a plane crash. At least on the 727, there was actually a proper window.
Idiotic but who would expect anything better from Delta.
I wish the FA could demonstrate the motions WITHOUT all the repetitive shouting
The repetitive shouting is to make sure passengers hear it. It’s important to practice it as you’ll do it.
I use to work on this dam slave ship for USAir. I and most Fight Attendants HATED working this tube. No place to get away from passengers and if you were stuck in the Third position (between two dam lav’s) you would NEVER live in an accident and the tail cone ejection is a joke because it impedes the use of the slid
Allegedly its taper allows it to roll to the side, and out of the way.
Imagine being married to that women.
Michael Ives ha! ha!
I'd rather die in a fire than listen to all that yelling
Did he say McDonalds?
mcdonnel
Too much shouting of contradictory orders in a confused situation to frigjtened, congused and untrained passengers. Recipe for trouble.
@@bmc9504 That's not what's happening. The commands change. They say go forward because the exit doesn't work. In the event that there's no choice, they call them back to exit having manually dealt with the exits, and then telling people to stay away so they don't rush her while she's opening the door.
@@bmc9504 Uh No... If You Open The Door And The Tailcone Is Does Not Fall Off The Aircraft You Are To Evacuate Through Other Exits, And As A Last Resort Jettison The Tailcone Manually
Say again?
Bad exit, Turn around, Go that way, Use that exit!
I remember the Stupid 80, I mean Super 80 with AA
RETURN TO THE CABIN and BURN! LOL
Why the hell does this remind me of my weirdest rescue cat? Once he ate a foam earplug.Then I had to (carefully) pull a pink earplug from his black bootyhole.Then right after,he,erm,"evacuated"all over the kitchen tiles.
Always do exactly opposite what they say to save yourself. They want to save maximum amount of people and that may cost your life. It’s survival of the strongest. Darwin wins!!!
same thing applies to police. Do the exact opposite of everything they say and you will live longer