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  • Опубликовано: 18 дек 2024

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  • @albyshinyfield8841
    @albyshinyfield8841 3 года назад +2

    You're the first tuber to have a certain decision on purity vs quantity of metal on the quality of sound. Thanks

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  3 года назад +1

      No problems! I believe, based on experience and a small understanding of the theory, that it's very important

  • @toneseal
    @toneseal 3 года назад +4

    The video began well, but I switched it off as soon as the suggestion that cables affect the sonic performance of IEMs surfaced. Aesthetics, comfort, form factor, and luxury... yes; but if you reckon that one cable will carry an electrical signal differently to your IEMs than another cable, to produce an audible discrepancy, then psycho-acoustics has got the better of you.

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  3 года назад +1

      There's lots of evidence of analog cables (speaker cables, interconnects and headphone cables) influencing sound. There's no psychoacoustic trickery here. The metal used, the insulation used, the thickness of the cable, purity of the metal, etc. all influence how the signal is conveyed.

    • @toneseal
      @toneseal 3 года назад +2

      Anecdotal evidence, maybe; but I guarantee you that there isn't one piece of credible unbiased data resulting from scientific measurements to support this theory. If one were to measure on a spectrum analyzer the frequency response of the electrical signal carried by any cable, they'd find zero difference between cables. Yes, theoretically there's minute differences in conductivity and capacitance, but this will definitely not yield an audible difference. If you can't measure a difference in frequency response, then you certainly can't hear one.
      Now I'm well aware of all those self-proclaimed "experts" who claim to hear what isn't there, and use weird terms that originate from their self-created vocabulary, like "organic", to describe audio characteristics, but in reality such people are just enthusiasts who enjoy a hobby. I, on the other hand, am a professional audio engineer with two university degrees in acoustics, and thirty years of experience in the music industry (both in studio and live environments), and I have yet to experience a sonic difference in any transducer resulting from a cable. The only difference between IEM cables is microphonics. I often laugh when I hear the copper vs. silver theory-copper is "warmer" and silver is "brighter" 😂. This fallacy is influenced by the metal colour itself; silver may look brighter but it sure doesn't give a transducer a brighter sound; if it did you'd quite easily be able to measure it, as a "brighter" sound would be the result of peaks in the higher end of the spectrum, or attenuation at the mid to bottom end.
      I'm not saying upgrade cables don't have a place in audio, as long as people exercise common sense when purchasing them, and are being realistic about the benefits. A nicely-made IEM cable may be supple with low microphonics, aesthetically pleasing, and comfortable, all of which are logical reasons for someone to consider upgrading; however, handing over hundreds (and even thousands) of dollars for a cable thinking their IEMs or headphones will sound better is just plain lunacy. If you're going to spend two thousand dollars on a cable in the hope that it will improve the sound of your IEMs, just use that money to buy better IEMs... common sense. But I guess, to each their own.
      -Terry

    • @sir.bendover3299
      @sir.bendover3299 2 года назад

      @@PassionforSound inclined to believe you, but im also skeptical. Could you cite a reputable source that proves your claim?

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  2 года назад +1

      I don't have any specific links handy, but if you look at things like the conductive properties of different metals and skin effect in cables you'll see that there's plenty of measurable factors that directly influence how the signal travela through the cable.
      My assertion above is based on lots of reading and experimentation over the years, but I apologise that I don't have any specific links to share as I haven't kept a record of the articles I've read over the years

    • @sir.bendover3299
      @sir.bendover3299 2 года назад +1

      @@PassionforSound Grassy ass my guy. Simply trying to figure out this debate within the audiophile community of whether or not cable specs make much of a difference in regards to audio fidelity.
      Some say there's minimal difference, others say none, and some say that price should be the main factor. I'm inclined to believe differences are minimal and everything else is just hype from companies as well as higher price tags giving the illusion of better quality.
      Regardless, thanks for the response!

  • @yunhaotsai
    @yunhaotsai 2 года назад +1

    Thank you for IEM information, is there suggest/best dac for IEMs

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  2 года назад +1

      It really depends on your budget and taste preferences. I did a bit roundup of dongles recently though so check out some of my recent reviews for that one and also my recent three way dongle review including the Apple dongle

    • @yunhaotsai
      @yunhaotsai 2 года назад +1

      @@PassionforSound Thank you so much

  • @davionknight521
    @davionknight521 3 года назад +5

    You earned my sub today❤ I can see that this is a really great channel. Job well done!

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  3 года назад +1

      Thanks Davion! Glad to have you in the team!

  • @stevenj2380
    @stevenj2380 Год назад +1

    This looks like a great choice company for premium cables, at very good price. Just late 2022 I got a Meze silver plated upgrade cable for a Westone IEM. Even that from Meze cost less than the equivalent from Westone.
    if I knew about Optimisation, I probably would have bought from them.

  • @datdudeinred
    @datdudeinred 3 года назад +1

    The whole plus for oeaudio cables is that they are thinnest & lightest in bizz. That's a HUGE positive. Especially for anyone who uses iem for their intended purpose like outdoors.

  • @albyshinyfield8841
    @albyshinyfield8841 3 года назад +1

    So the copper is 6N purity with only 2 ppm less impurities than the silver yet it still outperforms the silver cable. The silver cable i think is technically 5N but looks a lot closer.

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  3 года назад +1

      The thickness and geometry may play a part, but purity is incredibly important in my experience

  • @DANNY01234567899
    @DANNY01234567899 3 года назад +1

    Do you have a link to the right angle adapters. Not in the description or anywhere I looked

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  3 года назад +2

      Hi DB, here you go: www.oeaudio.net/product-page/mmcx-to-ciem-adapter-angled

  • @darrellross8609
    @darrellross8609 3 года назад +1

    Thanks for the info. Looking for a better cable when I get my Kato

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  3 года назад

      The KATO cable is already great. No need for an upgrade I think

  • @AcidFuzz
    @AcidFuzz 2 года назад +1

    I currently have a pair of Aria's and the stock cable its self has static present in the back. what would you recommend for a cable upgrade?

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  2 года назад +1

      There are lots of great options around. These OE Audio cables aren't bad (the pure copper in particular), but there are also some nice cables available from CEMA Studios on Ali Express

    • @AcidFuzz
      @AcidFuzz 2 года назад +1

      @@PassionforSound forsure I'm gonna lean towards the copper , thank you for your recommendations and time 🙏

  • @robertnoblitt518
    @robertnoblitt518 3 года назад +4

    Thanks for another great review. I had no idea that such adapters existed, and I could really use them. Thanks!

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  3 года назад

      So glad it was helpful!

    • @robertnoblitt518
      @robertnoblitt518 3 года назад +2

      @@PassionforSound I found the adapters on Amazon, so I ordered the OEAudio 0.78mm 2pin to MMCX Adapters. I plan to use these to connect my Moon-Audio Bronze Dragon 2-pin IEM cable to my MMCX Shure SE846 earphones. I'm not sure how to identify the (+) pin on the cable, but I'm hoping it won't matter as long as I connect both earpieces the same way (?). I sent an email question to Moon Audio but no reply yet.

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  3 года назад +1

      That's always an interesting question about the +/- on 2-pin cables. You can work it out of you have a multimeter, but so long as you connect both sides the same (like you said) it will be fine. You'll definitely know it if you get them the wrong way between the left and right sides.

    • @robertnoblitt518
      @robertnoblitt518 3 года назад +2

      @@PassionforSound I'll check it with a multimeter to be sure. Thanks for your very helpful response!! To all reading this: Please consider becoming a Patron for Passion for Sound! This channel deserves our support!!!

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  3 года назад

      Thank you, Robert! 🙂❤️🙂

  • @banefsej
    @banefsej 3 года назад +1

    Is it true that cable with mike whill effects the sound quality

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  3 года назад +1

      I've never heard that or found that to be true. The cables with mic just add an additional conductor for the mic so as long as the quality of wire stays the same, the sound should be identical.

    • @clickbaitcrill3394
      @clickbaitcrill3394 3 года назад +2

      No cable unless broken will change the sound lol

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  3 года назад +1

      I disagree based on having heard lots and lots of cables - some of which were expensive and actually reduced sound quality so it wasn't expectation bias playing a role.

  • @scottgarfinkle8395
    @scottgarfinkle8395 3 года назад +1

    What do you think of their 2QuadSPC 8-cord Silver-plated OFC cables?

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  3 года назад +1

      I haven't heard that one, but their cables are quite well made and well priced so worth a go.

  • @pfx2259
    @pfx2259 2 года назад +5

    Most people called cables snake oil, and I was one until someone (a friend of a friend) sent out the custom made cables from VERUS audio. I had 3 types of cables to A/B, and my conclusion is fairly similar to you and most cable youtube out there:
    1. Pure silver - Sparkly on treble and flattening of bass. Seems to give more air or bigger room, but it lowers the pin-point and fast-attacking sound. EXPENSIVE (USD $300-500)
    2. Pure copper - FAST and decays quickly. Perfect for heavy metal (e.g. Master of Puppet by Metallica) as each guitar chops do not bleed and get distorted into the next note. It makes me want to run with the music. The fast nature, however, removes that the resonating impact (e.g. bass slam, treble sparkles), which ruins some songs (particularly live, jazz, acoustic). circa $200.
    3. Silver coated, copper - seems more mainstream, smoothen things out into a V or U shape sound signature. My favourite for IEMs with too much treble (e.g. shouty, sharp, piercing) - like Hidition Viento B. Cheap ($80-150). Coincidentally, I went to Zeppelin Singapore once with with Viento B, and they recommended an Silver coated copper with similar effect (but they recommended a 800 cable).
    I have tried these on Moondrop S8 and Variation, as well as the Hidition. I also have tried other cable brands with 10x the price and, while I did not A/B them, I came to the same conclusion. I ended up buying the cheapest cable because I prefer the sound (pure copper or silver is always more expensive and difficult to work with, it doesn't mean it's the best sounding). I think the cables do not significantly change the tuning, but, for me, it switches the temporal delivery of the notes.
    My recommendation is to go to the shop with your regular IEM and try out the best quality (thick) pure copper cable, turn on your fastest music and you'll hear the difference.
    Thanks for your cable review, it really encourage me to keep an open ear.

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  2 года назад

      Thanks so much for sharing your experiences and congratulations for having an open mind to explore and decide for yourself!

  • @carminedesanto6746
    @carminedesanto6746 3 года назад +1

    Good evening/ morning I guess.
    As an expat Australian living in Canada ..yup..getting goods for the audio hobby is alway accompanied with a bit of sticker shock.
    Just getting into IEM’s..and I may never go back to headphones again.
    KZ KS10 pro, Moondrop Aria and now awaiting Blon-3 …which I plan on running on my headphone stack in balanced mode.
    Great to know that there’s options to be had when the tweeking itch needs a scratch 🍻

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  3 года назад +1

      Glad I could provide a resource. Thanks for watching and commenting!

  • @aerofart
    @aerofart 3 года назад +2

    Hey, you weren’t kidding. You did improve your vocal audio. Looks like that lav was the culprit. I hear a little NR artifacting, so I’m guessing your employing that as well. In any case, much better.

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  3 года назад +1

      I've got an untreated to and a building site next door 😉

  • @ranbymonkeys2384
    @ranbymonkeys2384 3 года назад +1

    I have no experience with headphones and such, I have a pair of Corsair headphones for gaming that I never use. It got me wondering what is it or why do people gravitate to headphones. Please understand my question isn't to be a smart ass or start an argument. I'm just curious, is it more bang for the buck, is it just easier than 2 channel speakers? I have never heard a good pair nor have I heard an awesome 2 channel hi-fi system (mine is the best I have heard and it's nothing compared to, well it's just not what I daydream about). When I listen to my system sometimes after a song I mute it and just say "wow, that sounds awesome". Do you get that feeling with headphones? What's going on with these things.

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  3 года назад +3

      All good and a totally fair question. I definitely get that experience with headphones, but it requires the right setup (not necessarily an expensive setup - see example below).
      The reasons for choosing headphones are a few. They generally do provide better bang for buck. For example, the HiFiMan Sundaras cost a few hundred USD and will outperform any speaker you can buy for that price. You can pair them with a simple setup of something like a Topping E30 and Schiit Asgard 3 and you've got a fantastic kit for about $600 USD (I haven't checked exact pricing so that's a rough estimate). By the time you buy amp, DAC and speakers, there's no way to get the same performance for the price.
      The other benefit of headphones is that they are personal listening only so if you're like me with others in the house who don't want to hear music all the time (or a baby sleeping) then headphones are a must.

    • @mylifeisart
      @mylifeisart 3 года назад +4

      I usually answer this question like this. I respect speaker lovers and speakers themselves, however, I prefer headphones and their versatility. While speakers present more natural soundstage and a more physical experience and can be quite visceral. They will never be able to provide as intimate, detailed, visceral or analytical an experience as good headphones can. With a good setup with several carefully chosen pairs of headphones you can get everything you could ever want for music reproduction. And even the top tier headphones are cheaper than comparable speakers which can cost any amount of money. In short they both have their use case where they are preferred. In my case speakers are better for groups of people and sometimes better for movies and tv, and headphones are better for analytical music listening, gaming and still quite good for movies and the like just without the natural soundstage.
      Edit: Unnecessary context that came off as accusative

    • @ranbymonkeys2384
      @ranbymonkeys2384 3 года назад +1

      @@mylifeisart Well maybe you should change the way you usually answer because I have zero interest in your opinion due to your first sentence. I hope i'm not unclear. EDIT, correction, your second sentence.

    • @mylifeisart
      @mylifeisart 3 года назад +1

      @@ranbymonkeys2384 You are correct. I didn't mean to come off like an ass. It is true though that many people see headphones as disposable or something for only when you don't have access to a speaker setup. It is much more than that and both philosophies and preferences have value in different circumstances

    • @ranbymonkeys2384
      @ranbymonkeys2384 3 года назад +2

      @@mylifeisart You know what, I kinda did too. I hope someday I run into somebody with a nice setup so (headphones and 2 channel speakers) so I know what something really good sounds like. One thing I did notice is the headphone guys like it more personable and the loud speaker guys like myself like to to share the sound with others just to remind themselves that we shouldn't have in the first place, haha.

  • @aerofart
    @aerofart 3 года назад +8

    All these claims about improved sound quality from expensive cables need to be backed up by blind tests. I’m guessing you wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between $300 cables and a coat hanger.

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  3 года назад

      For analog interconnects I have zero doubt that cables make a difference. That doesn't mean expensive is automatically better (case in point the silver vs copper cables in this video). What's most important is the metal purity and total overall thickness of the metal (to a point)

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  3 года назад

      I can't explain what exactly is causing the changes, Sourav, but I've found that a thicker pure copper is a better choice than a much thinner gauge pure silver. The two would be similarly priced, but the copper cable would be sonically superior based on my experiences

    • @FMI_TheMixEngineEar
      @FMI_TheMixEngineEar 3 года назад +2

      @@souravmsby looking at your RUclips channel . your videos is al about shaving right? are you a barber or some sort?
      so can you explain about your work?
      and have you experimenting on IEMs cable swap? let us know the audible results . as an engineer you should do experiment with detailed results explaination . please do and let us know or better share your videos.

    • @hxsm8090
      @hxsm8090 3 года назад +2

      @@souravms you talk, but wait until you listen to andromeda. change the cable, then you'll understand that those who says cable dont change the sound is pretty much bullshit. you think cable length dont change the sound? again, listen to andromeda.
      you speak as if drivers dont have impedance requirement and its all in the cable. for someone studying engineering, you're pretty noob. its fine if the driver has impedance of 16ohm and the cable is 1-2ohm. I guess you never had an iem that drivers runs on 1ohm changes the sound on a sub 1ohm driver. Why?
      You're the engineer, right?

  • @gregwomack8162
    @gregwomack8162 3 года назад +1

    You got my subscription friend!

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  3 года назад

      Thanks Greg. Glad to have you in the family 🙂

  • @anthonylipke7754
    @anthonylipke7754 Год назад

    Soft lens effect seems like a bit much.

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  Год назад

      What do you mean?

    • @anthonylipke7754
      @anthonylipke7754 Год назад

      @@PassionforSound I found the focus shifts on the product shots distracting. I'm not a camera person so I don't know the right terms sorry I can't be clearer. I believe you were going for some kind of positive impression with a camera effect.

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  Год назад

      I don't remember - this is a very old video now. I think you'll see some pretty big differences compared to new videos.

  • @alexsha4912
    @alexsha4912 3 года назад +1

    Thank you for the reviews! Can you please also do some reviews for headphones cables?

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  3 года назад +1

      Hi Alex, I'll see what I can do, but I can't afford to buy a whole bunch so I have to rely on loaners which takes it out of my control a bit.

  • @morespinach9832
    @morespinach9832 3 года назад +1

    Onkyo E700M.

  • @unstable-8169
    @unstable-8169 3 года назад +1

    damn cool vid

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  3 года назад +1

      Glad you liked it! 🙂

    • @unstable-8169
      @unstable-8169 3 года назад +1

      @@PassionforSound always enjoy your calming vids, also you should check out some aliexpress stuff they have some high quality iem cables for pretty cheap :)

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  3 года назад +1

      Thanks, uNstable. I've tried a few from there in the past and it's a mixed bag. Some have been good. Others have been really disappointing. I think it comes down to finding the cables with high purity metals and (IMO) sticking to single metal designs (i.e. no silver plating, fancy alloys, etc.)

    • @unstable-8169
      @unstable-8169 3 года назад +1

      yeah that sounds fair enough, excited to see future vids on iems in particular

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  3 года назад +1

      I've got the Shanling AE3, BGVP DM8, Audiofly AF110, and an IEM from OE Audio (same guys as this video) coming over the next few weeks 🙂
      Meze Rai Penta, Lime Ears Aether R, coming further down the track too

  • @cine-ish
    @cine-ish 3 года назад

    The Faaeal hibiscus wire is more than likely superior to these overpriced aliexpress cables lol

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  3 года назад +1

      Probably best to not make judgements on things you haven't compared. I'm not saying you're wrong because I haven't heard the Hibiscus wire, but there's no way you can know without comparing them directly.

  • @franzfong489
    @franzfong489 3 года назад +3

    Snake oil

  • @davidkarbit
    @davidkarbit 3 года назад

    What brand you are talking about? I can understand you g.y talk

  • @yaoyaotigeraudio7299
    @yaoyaotigeraudio7299 3 года назад +1

    Nice work, friend, can we cooperate???

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  3 года назад

      Always happy to discuss collaboration. You can email me at passionforsound@lachlanfennen.com

  • @andreasschneider2525
    @andreasschneider2525 2 года назад

    Cables do not change the sound …. Period!

  • @surge-tech9381
    @surge-tech9381 3 года назад +1

    No offense to this man but he makes this video sound so boring to be honest.

    • @PassionforSound
      @PassionforSound  3 года назад +5

      Sorry you didn't like it, but what value do you or does anyone gain from a comment like this? 🤷

    • @lifeisbeautiful7361
      @lifeisbeautiful7361 3 года назад +5

      You can suggest some ideas or give constructive criticism and be useful rather than saying stuff for the sake of saying