I think one of Wonder Woman’s biggest problems is that DC as a whole cannot seem to decide on her character and personality. There’s going to be minor changes between writers and eras, but there’s no consistent core to her world. I realized this when I was working through the DCAU movies. From movie to movie Batman is stoic and mission driven, Superman is hopeful and powerful, Hal Jordan is cocky and wise cracking, but Wonder Woman changes from stoic warrior to curious new-comer to sexiest Amazon supremest. Even in the comics she will have two titles running at the same time with contradicting characters and storylines. In one title she’s battling monsters alongside her true love Steve Trevor while that same month the other book will have her and Steve broken up and her traveling through Hell. I don’t know what DC is thinking, but it’s not working. I’m sure there’s fans of both titles, but it doesn’t bring in the numbers it should be (especially given how popular her movie was).. I desperately want to like Wonder Woman the comic character, but it’s hard to like someone when you don’t know what they’ll be like in the next issue.
@@smokydogy They should have taken inspiration from the George Perez run. He was the first writer to truly understand WW. All writers should have built upon the foundation of His run, not bloody ignore it and try to fix something that wasn't broken.
Wonder Woman must be merciful and a pacifist above all.Your cold blooded amazon warrior portray is wrong and against the original concept of your creator.
the Altuum story went from the setup for the Trail of the Amazons, to a weird device to make sure the Trial wasn't a Trial, to one of the worst things that Wonder Woman could end up doing - letting him die
... How did they bring back Dr. Psycho, and fuck him up when you have the same character in Harley Quinn and he's funny? How, it's like missing a lay up.
Wonder Woman suffers because DC doesn’t stick to one characterization. She doesn’t even really get an established role in the comics other than being the female of the Trinity. She doesn’t stay as the greatest warrior, most peace focused member, expert on the ancient etc. Instead, she gets a bit of each and then nothing holds long. I think the best of her I’ve seen in a bit was how they had her in JLD (which irked me because it kinda reduced Zatanna to achieve a good Diana)
I've not read WW or Cap regularly since Perez's WW run and Burbaker's Death of Cap America. The modern take on these iconic characters are so trope ridden and mediocre now
The shadiest thing is to see people defending that Diana was in character by letting a person commit suicide. Heroic would have been to bring him to answer for his crimes like Black Panther in Civil War.
Like anything Brian Azzarello gets his hands on he turned the Wonder Woman comic (and Diana) into disgusting nihilistic sleaze during the New 52 so I'm sure there is something during that run people can cite.
Here's solution for both characters and books In the case of Wonder Woman, since Diana is a ambassador and a greek warrior, I think the stories should focus more on this greek mythology side of her, just like it happened in Perez run, as well showing her dealing with the discovery of other amazonian warrios, like Yara's tribe with the whole run building towards a epic arc involving all this tribes (very similar to what Johns did in his GL run) As for Captain America, I have no issue with the current stories nor with Sam as Captain America and the political topics the stories adressed (the whole point of Captain America as character is the fact he represent the american idealism and deals with it's dark aspects of it's reality). HOWEVER I do agree that for past decades, writers have just repeat the same story over and over again: Some mysterious is trying to ruin Captain America image, Captain (usually Steve Rogers) will question his role in the modern world and so on. They want the story to have strong themes and touch on very important political/social issues? Great, but they need to do a different story rather than copy the last run, causing the book to become stagnant.
Cloonrad thinks that "Man-ifest Destiny" was such clever wordplay, they decided to make a story arc about it! And they have as little understanding of Checkmate as they do Deadman! (The guy is Doctor Psycho though he goes by Dr. Cizco here)
It's a shame as WW and Cap are in my top 5 characters. Was actually going back and skimming through some of Liam Sharp's art/covers on WW Rebirth issues this morning lol. They were so good. Great insight as always, friends!
@@savagedarksider5934 I’m skipping collecting anything not in the 616 or Earth 1. I’m prioritizing the main universes unless it’s something like Kingdom Come or Dark Knight Returns. Nothing Marvel out of continuity interests me.
@@OldAngloSaxon I feel the same way but toward DC Comics; besides from Superman Red Son, All Star Superman, Batman gaslight, and dark knight returns-I don't care about the alternative universes stories, and prefer the the main continuity.
You really shouldn't say hopeless. To quote Iroh from Avatar: 'In the darkest of times, hope Is something you give yourself. That is the meaning of inner strength.' I feel like every cynical and pessimistic person needs to hear that quote once. You guys especially need to hear that quote and watch the show because Last Airbender is great. The fans have hope and that hope is keeping them going.
Just don't let 'dead company' exploit your hope for monetary gain. They may hold characters you hold dear hostage, but that doesn't mean you have to pay them for subpar product. They don't deserve fans as loyal and devoted as yourself.
I feel like this whole thing about being woken, feminist and etc, ends up holding Wonder Woman back, because she has to be strong and perfect all the time, and if you show a side of her other than that, the fans hate. The most interesting thing that happened to Wonder Woman these last few years was her becoming the Goddess of War and the existence of a secret brother, two things that were pushed to the side very quickly. Even her Demigods brothers were killed offscreen, even Heracles. Her stories are very repetitive, always the same, Superman and Batman try original things and keep for a while, they also show us various facets of the characters be good or bad, they try at least, but Wonder Woman always returns to the status quo very quickly and is always the same side of the character, we never see a different side of her.
The problem is that for example: Wonder Woman in Justice League is different from when she appears in her title and at the same time is different when she appears in a cameo in Batman or Superman or another comic book. Nobody knows how to define her identity, is she the Amazon warrior?, is she the woman who was lied to by the gods throughout her life? Is she compassionate? Is she the female version of Conan? Who is she?
@@thebatwing2347 I always thought that if you want to take the next step with her, like they did with Batman and Superman, giving them children and so on, you have to take the risk. I thought of a saga for Wonder Woman, where: She gets pregnant(Streve Trevor is the dad) and goes to give birth on Themyscira, in which all the heroes of the Justice League and others, come together to protect her on the island, just like Lois Lane when she gave birth to Jon. But a Wonder Woman villain invades and kidnaps the baby when he is born, wanting to use the baby for a ritual or something, since the baby would have divine powers just like Wonder Woman. Wonder Woman then goes super angrily after the villain to retrieve the baby, with the help of other heroes. Upon defeating the villain, she finds the baby dead and asks the Gods to bring him back, the Gods in respect for the help she gave the world, give her missions, in the style of the 12 works of Heracles, and if she completes these missions, she could have her baby come back to life. In that we would have another saga, where she would do these missions, interacting with mythological creatures and characters and use their help to complete the tasks, maybe even put other heroes to help her, a different one for each mission, with in the end, gathering the trinity, her, Batman and Superman. And upon completing the quests, Hades takes her to Elysium, where she finds her baby alive.
@@thebatwing2347 I think something like that would be good and bring a change to the character, they have to let the characters move forward, change them, when Batman was going to marry Catwoman, his comics were in a huge hype, unfortunately they were cowards and blew up the event. It's as if whenever a character is about to leave the status quo and start a new phase of his life and stories, the publisher takes a step back in fear, Damian suffered a lot from it, they always hit the reset button with the character. It is a miracle that Superman is still married and has a child to this day.
@@thebatwing2347 Since od Willaim Moulton marston death DC never had a clue how write WW properly.Promethea of Alan Moore gives a good ideia like Wonder Woman must be portraited.
I personally like heroes that are flawed as it makes them more interesting and relatable. No one is perfect and the point is to learn from one's mistakes to try and become a better person. If you have heroes who are perfect with no flaws than they seem like gods and that makes them unrelatable. Having a character overcome their own personal problems while battling against the forces of evil makes the story that much more interesting. Probably my favorite version of Wonder Woman is the one from the 2009 animated direct to video movie. The film portrays her in her best version, being a hero yet relatable with flaws. She is a hero in her mission to stop Ares and reunite her family with the outside world of man yet flawed in that she is oblivious to the outside world and jumps to conclusions. But over the course of the movie, she learns to be more open-minded about men through her meeting with Steve Trevor and learns the notions about men she was instilled with by her mother and sisters is no longer accurate. Wonder Woman has so much potential as a character and I hope and pray for the day for a writer to realize that potential.
Steve Rogers is given the super solider serum and becomes Captain America! The inventor of the serum is killed during the experiment and no more super solider serum can be made. Except for the cases and cases of it that Hydra has to be used whenever the plot requires. Not to be confused with the super soldier serum that drove US Agent crazy. Nor the super soldier serum that the Soviets gave Bucky while he was in deep freeze. As it turns out, super soldier serum is super easy to make once you learn how to ferment spinach. Ask Popeye. It's really an old sailor's drink.
Yeah, I read this issue of Wonder Woman after watching the Harely Quinn cartoon and I was like "Oh yeah, Dr. Pyscho is an actual Wonder Woman villain."
I don't see any problem with Sam having a book focusing on him as Captain America. If the Flash book can focus on Wally despite Barry Allen still being around and the GL books can have stories focusing on other lanterns besides Hal Jordan, so Sam can also have his own Captain America book
The problem is that Sam already has his own identity; The Falcon. Wally or any of the other GLs too my knowledge where never know by anything else. Marvel has no confidence in Sam unless he's called Captain America.
@@InnerFortune Wally was Kid flash and Dick Grayson was Robin/ Nightwing (he also took over for Batman in ocasions). If they can grow from sidekicks to sucessor of theirs heroes so can Sam, who was also Captain America partner ever since the 70's.
@@TheSpeedway99 Yeah the art, story is still lame...shocker that WW's sassy black friend Etta is a bit of a reactionary, then again that part felt like such pointless filler.
As far as Wonder Woman goes, I have learned that it's usually not a good sign when a book has TWO writers, and Cloonan and Conrad are both terrible writers on their own, so when you put them together, you get DOUBLE the dip in story quality.
I'm starting to go beyond hopeless to just not caring any more, and tossing both DC and Marvel aside completely; even the occasional bright spots that get by them and manage to get published sometimes.
They really don't know what to do with poor Wonder Woman, do they? I've never seen a major character so underused in its history. I've only read 1-2 stories that starred her that I found to actually be good. Mostly she is only really interesting in team books. As for Fake Captain America, I'd rather read the real Cap and for Sam to go back to being the Falcon. Oh, and a comic book with a Black lead that isn't just Leftist propaganda would be fantastic.
I always thought Wonder Woman would be the one to break the majority of a person’s bones and then heal them before dropping the person off with the proper and nearest authorities, but this is one of those nopeyverse stories. This Captain America had some decent artwork, but the story was all over the place. No, thank you.
My qualifying question on any book is whether or not it's on my pull list. No to both titles. I haven't seen anything recently that sparks that much interest. Right now, the only DC titles on my pull list are Swamp Thing which has been mediocre and DC vs Vampires that turned into a hot mess.
Tie joke: Batman on Webtoons, chapter 38, which came out last week. Mildly funny, at least til the WW punchline, which kinda lost all the value of the setup.
Quite honestly Wonder Woman hasn’t been good since rucka and sharp left the title after rebirth. The mikel Janin art after was great but the story was meh, I think Daniel Warren Johnson would be great for the title as his Dead Earth mini was so fresh and exciting. DC needs to quit with all the token inclusion and gender/sex identity politics and get creators that are hungry to put out great imaginative stories. We need a shot in the arm to the industry akin to the British Invasion of the 80s or when Image comics and Vertigo hit the scene in the early 90s
That’s not Wonder Woman. And why does every villain have a tragic backstory? Just make them villainous. Captain America is Steve Rogers. Sam Wilson is Falcon. If I was reading this, I would have tossed it when I got to the illegal immigrant part. It’s a good thing I’m not reading this.
Can anyone explain to the Marvel Writer staff, that the Mexican (and all the people from the south) we can be more than immigrant on their stories, we can be also villains (like one of my favorites "Tarantula" from Spiderman old stories) or any other kind of supporter characters, not only immigrants!!
I really loved Wonder Woman and captain America, specially WW since I’m more into fantasy stuff 😁 P.s: I haven’t really been up to date with the new comics (cuz they’re kinda expensive😅) plus the reviews on a lot of them haven’t been good so...yea
I liked Captain America Sam Wilson back in time of All new Marvel,but now makes no sense after all.And is good to see the illegal immigrants plot that debuted in the fist arc of Nick Spencer run be resumed again but the plot and written is very poorly.Why Marvel allow rookie writers makes Captain America comics?Put a good writer in the titles makes Captain America great again like Mark Gruenwald good old times.
Yes and he had some interesting stories (at least in my opinion) during Spence run. However, not only those stories got connected to Secret Empire but after that, Sam gave the shield back to Steve, despite his whole sub plot in the event was about him accepting his role as Captain America. This decision was cleary cause by editorial who wanted Steve back so they could fix his image after the whole "Captain America is hydra agent" thing. Only recently Sam return to be Captain America (obviously to promote the Falcon and Winter Soldier series and his upcoming movie).
You should make Doc read Thunderbird even if you dont film the review. Its so bad, he should have to experience it like everyone else. I think the Man-ifest guy is supposed to be Sargon of Akad. 🤣
Steve Trevor's roommate is SIEGRIED THE VIKING. Threatening to throw someone into a body of water for an insult is perfectly in character for an ancient Norseman warrior. Etta Candy escalating the situation to that degree is unprofessional, however. It kind of made sense when she was coming off the heels of someone trying to assassinate her best friend and blow up her family, but okay, she's a professional right? Time to dial it back. Still, even if you don't know anything about Viking tales Sigurd was already well established in Wonder Woman comic books. Altuum deserved better though. Wonder Woman is semi famous for turning enemies into allies and that guy was such a missed opportunity. Especially since Chaos attacked Themyscira out of the belief Diana had abandoned him, it would be a perfectly good time to show that yeah, she really doesn't just abandon people, she sometimes just has to prioritize when to come get them. MANifest destiny is totally on brand for political extremists or misogynists, misandrists and what not. Don't know why that's a complaint. Doctor Psycho was an incel before incels were called incels, so I don't see the problem there either, other than I guess you just wanting Wonder Woman writers to retire Doctor Psycho.
Idk man WW has been pretty good since the start of Infinite frontier minus trial of the Amazon's and they have been building Dr Psycho as the big bad for quite some time now. As for Cap yeah it's bad. Hopefully the other series focusing on Steve is good.
Hey Wes have you heard the rumor about Marvel losing the Conan the Barbarian comic license to fucking Tencent of all people? I don't want these commies go near our beloved barbarian with a 10 foot pole no less. I hope to god this is fake but if Marvel would lose the license then there's only 2 publishers where Conan can prosper : Dark Horse Comics and ABLAZE. Other than that Wes I got a question for you : Is Matthew Rosenberg's run of Punisher good ? Is it better than Becky Cloonan's run (which has the final contribution by late Steve Dillon)?
Rosenberg Punisher sucks.He makes Frank kills the Mandarin the Iron Man nemesis with a special bullet but don't figure that Mandarin can uses teleportation.And your Baron Zemo is a foul mouthed idiot,not the polite and cunning villains taht we all know.
Based on current CCP social policy they are unironically probably at least 10 times more likely to do something tolerable with the Conan IP than Marvel at this juncture.
Speaking of art for Wonder Woman. No one drew her better than George Perez. RIP George
In the defense of Wonder Woman, Dr Psycho wasn’t invented by Cloonrad, he’s a classic wonder woman villain who is a known sexist.
I think one of Wonder Woman’s biggest problems is that DC as a whole cannot seem to decide on her character and personality. There’s going to be minor changes between writers and eras, but there’s no consistent core to her world. I realized this when I was working through the DCAU movies. From movie to movie Batman is stoic and mission driven, Superman is hopeful and powerful, Hal Jordan is cocky and wise cracking, but Wonder Woman changes from stoic warrior to curious new-comer to sexiest Amazon supremest. Even in the comics she will have two titles running at the same time with contradicting characters and storylines. In one title she’s battling monsters alongside her true love Steve Trevor while that same month the other book will have her and Steve broken up and her traveling through Hell. I don’t know what DC is thinking, but it’s not working. I’m sure there’s fans of both titles, but it doesn’t bring in the numbers it should be (especially given how popular her movie was)..
I desperately want to like Wonder Woman the comic character, but it’s hard to like someone when you don’t know what they’ll be like in the next issue.
I dont agree, its been pretty much the same since Azzerelos new 52 run
@@smokydogy They should have taken inspiration from the George Perez run. He was the first writer to truly understand WW. All writers should have built upon the foundation of His run, not bloody ignore it and try to fix something that wasn't broken.
Wonder Woman must be merciful and a pacifist above all.Your cold blooded amazon warrior portray is wrong and against the original concept of your creator.
@@EvandroACruz I wouldn't use the word "pacifist ", since it implies that she will never fight anyone, but I get your point.
Exactly. They need to pick a lane and direction. Thank you.
the Altuum story went from the setup for the Trail of the Amazons, to a weird device to make sure the Trial wasn't a Trial, to one of the worst things that Wonder Woman could end up doing - letting him die
Wes you & Doc are seriously helping my depression days appreciate you both so much!
... How did they bring back Dr. Psycho, and fuck him up when you have the same character in Harley Quinn and he's funny? How, it's like missing a lay up.
Wonder Woman suffers because DC doesn’t stick to one characterization. She doesn’t even really get an established role in the comics other than being the female of the Trinity. She doesn’t stay as the greatest warrior, most peace focused member, expert on the ancient etc. Instead, she gets a bit of each and then nothing holds long.
I think the best of her I’ve seen in a bit was how they had her in JLD (which irked me because it kinda reduced Zatanna to achieve a good Diana)
I've not read WW or Cap regularly since Perez's WW run and Burbaker's Death of Cap America. The modern take on these iconic characters are so trope ridden and mediocre now
The shadiest thing is to see people defending that Diana was in character by letting a person commit suicide. Heroic would have been to bring him to answer for his crimes like Black Panther in Civil War.
Wonder woman isn't shy off killing people she not the most pure hearted person cause she a warrior like character
Like anything Brian Azzarello gets his hands on he turned the Wonder Woman comic (and Diana) into disgusting nihilistic sleaze during the New 52 so I'm sure there is something during that run people can cite.
@@jbbrolic I'm like she still killed ares in her origin
@@jbbrolic I would like to forget that ever existed. Give me the short period of Tamaki's prestige version before that.
@@thebatwing2347 she shouldn't let people die when their in trouble
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Here's solution for both characters and books
In the case of Wonder Woman, since Diana is a ambassador and a greek warrior, I think the stories should focus more on this greek mythology side of her, just like it happened in Perez run, as well showing her dealing with the discovery of other amazonian warrios, like Yara's tribe with the whole run building towards a epic arc involving all this tribes (very similar to what Johns did in his GL run)
As for Captain America, I have no issue with the current stories nor with Sam as Captain America and the political topics the stories adressed (the whole point of Captain America as character is the fact he represent the american idealism and deals with it's dark aspects of it's reality). HOWEVER I do agree that for past decades, writers have just repeat the same story over and over again: Some mysterious is trying to ruin Captain America image, Captain (usually Steve Rogers) will question his role in the modern world and so on. They want the story to have strong themes and touch on very important political/social issues? Great, but they need to do a different story rather than copy the last run, causing the book to become
stagnant.
Cloonrad thinks that "Man-ifest Destiny" was such clever wordplay, they decided to make a story arc about it! And they have as little understanding of Checkmate as they do Deadman! (The guy is Doctor Psycho though he goes by Dr. Cizco here)
4:16 - That's Dr. Psycho, he's a misogynist, who psychic.
It's a shame as WW and Cap are in my top 5 characters. Was actually going back and skimming through some of Liam Sharp's art/covers on WW Rebirth issues this morning lol. They were so good. Great insight as always, friends!
What do you think of ultimate captain america's orgin ?
@@savagedarksider5934 I’m skipping collecting anything not in the 616 or Earth 1. I’m prioritizing the main universes unless it’s something like Kingdom Come or Dark Knight Returns. Nothing Marvel out of continuity interests me.
@@OldAngloSaxon I feel the same way but toward DC Comics; besides from Superman Red Son, All Star Superman, Batman gaslight, and dark knight returns-I don't care about the alternative universes stories, and prefer the the main continuity.
You really shouldn't say hopeless. To quote Iroh from Avatar:
'In the darkest of times, hope Is something you give yourself. That is the meaning of inner strength.' I feel like every cynical and pessimistic person needs to hear that quote once. You guys especially need to hear that quote and watch the show because Last Airbender is great.
The fans have hope and that hope is keeping them going.
Just don't let 'dead company' exploit your hope for monetary gain. They may hold characters you hold dear hostage, but that doesn't mean you have to pay them for subpar product. They don't deserve fans as loyal and devoted as yourself.
Honestly after reading this Wonder Woman issue and after seeing and reading much worse comics out there. This issue of Wonder Woman was just ok to me.
I feel like this whole thing about being woken, feminist and etc, ends up holding Wonder Woman back, because she has to be strong and perfect all the time, and if you show a side of her other than that, the fans hate. The most interesting thing that happened to Wonder Woman these last few years was her becoming the Goddess of War and the existence of a secret brother, two things that were pushed to the side very quickly. Even her Demigods brothers were killed offscreen, even Heracles.
Her stories are very repetitive, always the same, Superman and Batman try original things and keep for a while, they also show us various facets of the characters be good or bad, they try at least, but Wonder Woman always returns to the status quo very quickly and is always the same side of the character, we never see a different side of her.
The problem is that for example: Wonder Woman in Justice League is different from when she appears in her title and at the same time is different when she appears in a cameo in Batman or Superman or another comic book. Nobody knows how to define her identity, is she the Amazon warrior?, is she the woman who was lied to by the gods throughout her life? Is she compassionate? Is she the female version of Conan? Who is she?
@@thebatwing2347 I always thought that if you want to take the next step with her, like they did with Batman and Superman, giving them children and so on, you have to take the risk. I thought of a saga for Wonder Woman, where:
She gets pregnant(Streve Trevor is the dad) and goes to give birth on Themyscira, in which all the heroes of the Justice League and others, come together to protect her on the island, just like Lois Lane when she gave birth to Jon. But a Wonder Woman villain invades and kidnaps the baby when he is born, wanting to use the baby for a ritual or something, since the baby would have divine powers just like Wonder Woman.
Wonder Woman then goes super angrily after the villain to retrieve the baby, with the help of other heroes. Upon defeating the villain, she finds the baby dead and asks the Gods to bring him back, the Gods in respect for the help she gave the world, give her missions, in the style of the 12 works of Heracles, and if she completes these missions, she could have her baby come back to life.
In that we would have another saga, where she would do these missions, interacting with mythological creatures and characters and use their help to complete the tasks, maybe even put other heroes to help her, a different one for each mission, with in the end, gathering the trinity, her, Batman and Superman.
And upon completing the quests, Hades takes her to Elysium, where she finds her baby alive.
@@thebatwing2347 I think something like that would be good and bring a change to the character, they have to let the characters move forward, change them, when Batman was going to marry Catwoman, his comics were in a huge hype, unfortunately they were cowards and blew up the event.
It's as if whenever a character is about to leave the status quo and start a new phase of his life and stories, the publisher takes a step back in fear, Damian suffered a lot from it, they always hit the reset button with the character. It is a miracle that Superman is still married and has a child to this day.
@@thebatwing2347 Since od Willaim Moulton marston death DC never had a clue how write WW properly.Promethea of Alan Moore gives a good ideia like Wonder Woman must be portraited.
I personally like heroes that are flawed as it makes them more interesting and relatable. No one is perfect and the point is to learn from one's mistakes to try and become a better person. If you have heroes who are perfect with no flaws than they seem like gods and that makes them unrelatable. Having a character overcome their own personal problems while battling against the forces of evil makes the story that much more interesting.
Probably my favorite version of Wonder Woman is the one from the 2009 animated direct to video movie. The film portrays her in her best version, being a hero yet relatable with flaws. She is a hero in her mission to stop Ares and reunite her family with the outside world of man yet flawed in that she is oblivious to the outside world and jumps to conclusions. But over the course of the movie, she learns to be more open-minded about men through her meeting with Steve Trevor and learns the notions about men she was instilled with by her mother and sisters is no longer accurate.
Wonder Woman has so much potential as a character and I hope and pray for the day for a writer to realize that potential.
Steve Rogers is given the super solider serum and becomes Captain America! The inventor of the serum is killed during the experiment and no more super solider serum can be made. Except for the cases and cases of it that Hydra has to be used whenever the plot requires. Not to be confused with the super soldier serum that drove US Agent crazy. Nor the super soldier serum that the Soviets gave Bucky while he was in deep freeze. As it turns out, super soldier serum is super easy to make once you learn how to ferment spinach. Ask Popeye. It's really an old sailor's drink.
Thanks Doc!
they’re trying so hard to ride the coat tails of the Harley Quinn cartoon with Dr Pyscho.
Yeah, I read this issue of Wonder Woman after watching the Harely Quinn cartoon and I was like "Oh yeah, Dr. Pyscho is an actual Wonder Woman villain."
4:17 isn't that Doctor psycho? I mean understand your complaints but wasn't the character always written to be a huge misogynist?
I don't see any problem with Sam having a book focusing on him as Captain America. If the Flash book can focus on Wally despite Barry Allen still being around and the GL books can have stories focusing on other lanterns besides Hal Jordan, so Sam can also have his own Captain America book
The problem is that Sam already has his own identity; The Falcon. Wally or any of the other GLs too my knowledge where never know by anything else. Marvel has no confidence in Sam unless he's called Captain America.
@@InnerFortune Wally was Kid flash and Dick Grayson was Robin/ Nightwing (he also took over for Batman in ocasions). If they can grow from sidekicks to sucessor of theirs heroes so can Sam, who was also Captain America partner ever since the 70's.
Wall Of Text Man explained to me why he liked this comic, but TLR;DR.
On top of making my own comics, I just read Manga, indies and back issues. I'm a very happy camper.
Yup Dok I remember that Spencer Cap run it's where he ruined Rage from the New Warriors. That run was Dog Water.
That art on the WW comic looks pretty good! Shame about the content.
Yeah, I read the issue myself and I don't understand why these guys were so hard on it. The art was simple but pretty.
@@TheSpeedway99 Yeah the art, story is still lame...shocker that WW's sassy black friend Etta is a bit of a reactionary, then again that part felt like such pointless filler.
As far as Wonder Woman goes, I have learned that it's usually not a good sign when a book has TWO writers, and Cloonan and Conrad are both terrible writers on their own, so when you put them together, you get DOUBLE the dip in story quality.
All number 1 issues should be awesome. That should be a rule period.
I got the impression that Steve and Siggy were getting it on.
Dropped Wonder Woman for the first time since 2016, dealt with some bad runs but this took the cake after trial of the amazons 😂
Peter Dinklege character in WW 3 : Dr. Psychopath.
I'm starting to go beyond hopeless to just not caring any more, and tossing both DC and Marvel aside completely; even the occasional bright spots that get by them and manage to get published sometimes.
They really don't know what to do with poor Wonder Woman, do they? I've never seen a major character so underused in its history. I've only read 1-2 stories that starred her that I found to actually be good. Mostly she is only really interesting in team books. As for Fake Captain America, I'd rather read the real Cap and for Sam to go back to being the Falcon. Oh, and a comic book with a Black lead that isn't just Leftist propaganda would be fantastic.
I always thought Wonder Woman would be the one to break the majority of a person’s bones and then heal them before dropping the person off with the proper and nearest authorities, but this is one of those nopeyverse stories.
This Captain America had some decent artwork, but the story was all over the place.
No, thank you.
The wonder woman villain your talking about is Dr psycho and he's an established hater of women and a telepath
My qualifying question on any book is whether or not it's on my pull list. No to both titles. I haven't seen anything recently that sparks that much interest. Right now, the only DC titles on my pull list are Swamp Thing which has been mediocre and DC vs Vampires that turned into a hot mess.
Who was the guy who drowned?
That's the problem with this comic. Nobody knows & nobody really even cares as a result.
Tie joke: Batman on Webtoons, chapter 38, which came out last week. Mildly funny, at least til the WW punchline, which kinda lost all the value of the setup.
Quite honestly Wonder Woman hasn’t been good since rucka and sharp left the title after rebirth. The mikel Janin art after was great but the story was meh, I think Daniel Warren Johnson would be great for the title as his Dead Earth mini was so fresh and exciting. DC needs to quit with all the token inclusion and gender/sex identity politics and get creators that are hungry to put out great imaginative stories. We need a shot in the arm to the industry akin to the British Invasion of the 80s or when Image comics and Vertigo hit the scene in the early 90s
Why has no one called Niel Gaiman to write Wonder Woman?
Lore of Modern Wonder Woman & Captain America Fans Hopeless momentum 100
That’s not Wonder Woman. And why does every villain have a tragic backstory? Just make them villainous.
Captain America is Steve Rogers. Sam Wilson is Falcon. If I was reading this, I would have tossed it when I got to the illegal immigrant part. It’s a good thing I’m not reading this.
Wonder Woman has Athena's intelligence and Aphrodite's beauty.
Dr physco having a podcast thing reminded me of team rocket podcast episode but worse
Finally someone points out stuart immonen thank you
Is there any signs/hope DC might benefit from the shuffle at Warner Media?
There's always hope. Sounds like Zaslav is still working everything out.
Can anyone explain to the Marvel Writer staff, that the Mexican (and all the people from the south) we can be more than immigrant on their stories, we can be also villains (like one of my favorites "Tarantula" from Spiderman old stories) or any other kind of supporter characters, not only immigrants!!
I really loved Wonder Woman and captain America, specially WW since I’m more into fantasy stuff 😁
P.s: I haven’t really been up to date with the new comics (cuz they’re kinda expensive😅) plus the reviews on a lot of them haven’t been good so...yea
I liked Captain America Sam Wilson back in time of All new Marvel,but now makes no sense after all.And is good to see the illegal immigrants plot that debuted in the fist arc of Nick Spencer run be resumed again but the plot and written is very poorly.Why Marvel allow rookie writers makes Captain America comics?Put a good writer in the titles makes Captain America great again like Mark Gruenwald good old times.
unless im mistaken didnt Sam Wilson become Captain America after Secret Wars where Tony and Steve died?
Yes and he had some interesting stories (at least in my opinion) during Spence run. However, not only those stories got connected to Secret Empire but after that, Sam gave the shield back to Steve, despite his whole sub plot in the event was about him accepting his role as Captain America. This decision was cleary cause by editorial who wanted Steve back so they could fix his image after the whole "Captain America is hydra agent" thing. Only recently Sam return to be Captain America (obviously to promote the Falcon and Winter Soldier series and his upcoming movie).
He went back to being Falcon afterwards.
@@Wes_From_TC Wes did you hear about Bleeding's article on possible Bruce bi.
@@batwing1497 I've been sitting on that for a few days. Just released the vid
So we get 2 Bad captain America ongoings instead of one good one
Wonder Woman, i-i be in my room. If you screams, just ignore them.
You should make Doc read Thunderbird even if you dont film the review.
Its so bad, he should have to experience it like everyone else.
I think the Man-ifest guy is supposed to be Sargon of Akad. 🤣
Steve Trevor's roommate is SIEGRIED THE VIKING. Threatening to throw someone into a body of water for an insult is perfectly in character for an ancient Norseman warrior. Etta Candy escalating the situation to that degree is unprofessional, however. It kind of made sense when she was coming off the heels of someone trying to assassinate her best friend and blow up her family, but okay, she's a professional right? Time to dial it back. Still, even if you don't know anything about Viking tales Sigurd was already well established in Wonder Woman comic books. Altuum deserved better though. Wonder Woman is semi famous for turning enemies into allies and that guy was such a missed opportunity. Especially since Chaos attacked Themyscira out of the belief Diana had abandoned him, it would be a perfectly good time to show that yeah, she really doesn't just abandon people, she sometimes just has to prioritize when to come get them.
MANifest destiny is totally on brand for political extremists or misogynists, misandrists and what not. Don't know why that's a complaint. Doctor Psycho was an incel before incels were called incels, so I don't see the problem there either, other than I guess you just wanting Wonder Woman writers to retire Doctor Psycho.
Idk man WW has been pretty good since the start of Infinite frontier minus trial of the Amazon's and they have been building Dr Psycho as the big bad for quite some time now.
As for Cap yeah it's bad. Hopefully the other series focusing on Steve is good.
Dc is discussing.
Why not call Sam Wilson Captain falcon, and his sidekick something like wingman
Hey Wes have you heard the rumor about Marvel losing the Conan the Barbarian comic license to fucking Tencent of all people?
I don't want these commies go near our beloved barbarian with a 10 foot pole no less.
I hope to god this is fake but if Marvel would lose the license then there's only 2 publishers where Conan can prosper : Dark Horse Comics and ABLAZE.
Other than that Wes I got a question for you : Is Matthew Rosenberg's run of Punisher good ?
Is it better than Becky Cloonan's run (which has the final contribution by late Steve Dillon)?
Rosenberg Punisher sucks.He makes Frank kills the Mandarin the Iron Man nemesis with a special bullet but don't figure that Mandarin can uses teleportation.And your Baron Zemo is a foul mouthed idiot,not the polite and cunning villains taht we all know.
Based on current CCP social policy they are unironically probably at least 10 times more likely to do something tolerable with the Conan IP than Marvel at this juncture.
Geeze, USA...can't you make a story about Mexicans and immigration just one freaking time? its kinda boring...and very stereotypical now.