"this is just the weapon, how often do you want to lean on the support of your secondary to make your primary better" is a great description of how good the crossbow can feel when tailored to your primary.
Great Video! You've got some chops to tell people their builds are bad so directly, though i definitely agree on the topic. Trifork Phero is a cool novelty for Dread killing, but it's just an excuse to use something other than jumbo or dets. Please stay with us and make more videos like this
I don't like saying it so bluntly like that but I know that if I don't I will walk around in circles on the topic. More just to help myself focus on making a point than throwing out all the other options. Vids like this are def chill to make. And thanks for taking the time to look at this.
i really like how blunt and direct you are in talking about this game, i feel like i needed a creator like this, just way too many guys dancing around the subject
In a team environment, the elemental crossbow shines even more with other classes as their builds can benefit from it. Driller can temperature shock with his flamer and cryo, have his sludge puddles ignited, strengthens his freezing power on dreads, or ignite a nemesis faster, Engineer's t5a Shard Diffractor can gain a damage boost from electrocuted targets, Gunner can temperature shock with his fire builds and snipe at distance targets with his Volatile Bullets Bulldog, etc. Additionally, the 'Build Inspector' mod complements well with that crossbow for public games especially since it allows you to see what builds others are running so that you can mix and match your build with theirs.
A weakness of the crossbow is that many of its more powerful builds require time to achieve maximum effect, which becomes a bit of a waste if your teammates just blast them all to smithereens the moment they get near. Sure the Driller could temp shock, but he could also just burn them down before Cryo takes effect. Trying to Phero a Praet, but the Gunner hops behind it and shoves a minigun into its glowing butt before enemy bugs have a chance to swarm it.
ive looked alot into the boltshark bc i want to use it but cant seem to figure how to make it more effective than the boomstick but this helped a lot. appreciate it.
Thanks for sharing the knowledge, as someone who was struggling to make good use of the crossbow and its overclocks, this was an eye-opening piece of content. You've got a new subscriber in me and I hope in the near future you'll be able to make similar videos to this one for the other weapons, especially the latest secondaries since they haven't been around for too long , and I'm still lacking a lot of knowledge on how to use them and what their most efficient builds look like, stay safe and have a nice day.
i've been struggling to like the boltshark for quite a while, i just couldn't justify bringing it on any mission ever because it did nothing different from the other weapons thanks to this video i now know the problem isn't in the weapon itself but in the way i was trying to use it, i'll give this role for the crossbow a try and hopefully i can start actually liking it
i personally would go blowthrough m1k when running cryo bolts for the cleave and since you lose the weakpoint bonus on frozen targets anyway. Hollowpoint I'd run on fire bolts, since you have swarm clear from the bolts already.
It was easier to discard the direct damage approach and focus on the unique aspects I had experience with. It sucks but it was the only way to really make progress on talking about what I thought was strong. I'm glad for this feedback though, I will try to be less polarizing about stuff in the future.
without overclock bolts, the crossbow still has some decent use cases against certain targets. It can be used in the same way the M1000 deals with threats. This means that with the m1000 it can become redundant to have normal bolts but that isn't necessarily true if you are running one of the other two primary weapons alongside normal bolts. the point of this video is not at all to say that the crossbow is bad without a specific setup, the point was to show that specific strategies with the weapon allow you to dominate with control. base taser bolts are a strong enough utility that you could use the weapon for only them (for secondary weapon usage) and still thrive in the toughest vanilla scenarios. If not thrive, at least be comparable to it's counterpart's base capabilities. That being said, there is a big difference between having the options to pick and play anything on the weapon and being forced to play without any overclocks so i will level with you there.
@@milligin idk im just negatively biased against crossbow. I absolutely do not see a use for it, since single target damage is already a thing for most primary weapons and scout in general, and unlike something like bulldog which could be considered to be in roughly the same spot, it is in fact kinda harder to quickly take down mid-sized targets with crossbow (coz projectiles, stupid reload after every shot, weird damage stats and the fact that gunners primaries are a lot slower in comparison to bulldog due to spread/spinup time/rocket travel time), and it just doesnt host enough ammo to spam at grunts. And for bigger targets - zhukovs already exist and have, except they, while also having ammo issues, are not stupid to use and can actually give out a lot of burst damage, and range isnt that big of a deal for the most mobile class whose primary weapons are already half-sniper-rifles. Overall i think i either dont undestand no-OC/green-OC crossbow, or it actually is horrible. Even the gunners railgun managed to at least grow on me with how practical or interesting fear on demand and funny damaging trails can be (even considering they kinda work against each other). Also what i though of while writing this part - all of the relatively new secondaries have issues with ammo. Maybe it's to compensate for nitra being more abundant in nowadays?
"this is just the weapon, how often do you want to lean on the support of your secondary to make your primary better" is a great description of how good the crossbow can feel when tailored to your primary.
I think its the most fun season 2 weapon for me :)
Great Video! You've got some chops to tell people their builds are bad so directly, though i definitely agree on the topic. Trifork Phero is a cool novelty for Dread killing, but it's just an excuse to use something other than jumbo or dets. Please stay with us and make more videos like this
I don't like saying it so bluntly like that but I know that if I don't I will walk around in circles on the topic. More just to help myself focus on making a point than throwing out all the other options. Vids like this are def chill to make. And thanks for taking the time to look at this.
Only sniss is missing from here to form the holy drg youtuber trinity
i really like how blunt and direct you are in talking about this game, i feel like i needed a creator like this, just way too many guys dancing around the subject
In a team environment, the elemental crossbow shines even more with other classes as their builds can benefit from it. Driller can temperature shock with his flamer and cryo, have his sludge puddles ignited, strengthens his freezing power on dreads, or ignite a nemesis faster, Engineer's t5a Shard Diffractor can gain a damage boost from electrocuted targets, Gunner can temperature shock with his fire builds and snipe at distance targets with his Volatile Bullets Bulldog, etc. Additionally, the 'Build Inspector' mod complements well with that crossbow for public games especially since it allows you to see what builds others are running so that you can mix and match your build with theirs.
what also tend to happen especially in 3-4 players games is that special bolts see little to no use , which is sad
A weakness of the crossbow is that many of its more powerful builds require time to achieve maximum effect, which becomes a bit of a waste if your teammates just blast them all to smithereens the moment they get near. Sure the Driller could temp shock, but he could also just burn them down before Cryo takes effect. Trying to Phero a Praet, but the Gunner hops behind it and shoves a minigun into its glowing butt before enemy bugs have a chance to swarm it.
you really hit the quality of an S tier corporate youtube video streamer, keep it up!
ive looked alot into the boltshark bc i want to use it but cant seem to figure how to make it more effective than the boomstick but this helped a lot. appreciate it.
Now don't be a stranger and disappear for another half a year. Build videos like these that break down decision making are really neat.
bad news
@@bobertastic6541 Yeahh.. oh well.
@@celestialowl8865 bruh cmonnnnn i cant believe this came true, i've thought about this comment daily for MONTHS
@@milligin Then come back gnoblin
Bad news
Thanks for sharing the knowledge, as someone who was struggling to make good use of the crossbow and its overclocks, this was an eye-opening piece of content.
You've got a new subscriber in me and I hope in the near future you'll be able to make similar videos to this one for the other weapons, especially the latest secondaries since they haven't been around for too long , and I'm still lacking a lot of knowledge on how to use them and what their most efficient builds look like, stay safe and have a nice day.
i've been struggling to like the boltshark for quite a while, i just couldn't justify bringing it on any mission ever because it did nothing different from the other weapons
thanks to this video i now know the problem isn't in the weapon itself but in the way i was trying to use it, i'll give this role for the crossbow a try and hopefully i can start actually liking it
Old video I know, but I felt that frustration at 6:38 in the gameplay haha.
A milligin video! Wow! 🤣
I love deep rock galactic nishanka secondary for scout :) !
Very casual
Well done miner!
what was your mods for each m1000 for the fire and ice builds?
i take 33111 for Cryo bolts and 12111 for fire, only really matters which special bolts you want and how many of them you want.
@Milligin no I ment the attachments for the m1000's that you used. I am sorry if you read that wrong
i personally would go blowthrough m1k when running cryo bolts for the cleave and since you lose the weakpoint bonus on frozen targets anyway. Hollowpoint I'd run on fire bolts, since you have swarm clear from the bolts already.
@@RazorPhoenix7 thanks a bunch dude
Okay, I like the discussion, but yeah suuuper dismissive which sucks.
It was easier to discard the direct damage approach and focus on the unique aspects I had experience with. It sucks but it was the only way to really make progress on talking about what I thought was strong. I'm glad for this feedback though, I will try to be less polarizing about stuff in the future.
So what im getting is that crossbow is an actual hot pile of garbage without overclocks
just as i expected
without overclock bolts, the crossbow still has some decent use cases against certain targets. It can be used in the same way the M1000 deals with threats. This means that with the m1000 it can become redundant to have normal bolts but that isn't necessarily true if you are running one of the other two primary weapons alongside normal bolts. the point of this video is not at all to say that the crossbow is bad without a specific setup, the point was to show that specific strategies with the weapon allow you to dominate with control.
base taser bolts are a strong enough utility that you could use the weapon for only them (for secondary weapon usage) and still thrive in the toughest vanilla scenarios. If not thrive, at least be comparable to it's counterpart's base capabilities. That being said, there is a big difference between having the options to pick and play anything on the weapon and being forced to play without any overclocks so i will level with you there.
@@milligin idk im just negatively biased against crossbow. I absolutely do not see a use for it, since single target damage is already a thing for most primary weapons and scout in general, and unlike something like bulldog which could be considered to be in roughly the same spot, it is in fact kinda harder to quickly take down mid-sized targets with crossbow (coz projectiles, stupid reload after every shot, weird damage stats and the fact that gunners primaries are a lot slower in comparison to bulldog due to spread/spinup time/rocket travel time), and it just doesnt host enough ammo to spam at grunts. And for bigger targets - zhukovs already exist and have, except they, while also having ammo issues, are not stupid to use and can actually give out a lot of burst damage, and range isnt that big of a deal for the most mobile class whose primary weapons are already half-sniper-rifles.
Overall i think i either dont undestand no-OC/green-OC crossbow, or it actually is horrible. Even the gunners railgun managed to at least grow on me with how practical or interesting fear on demand and funny damaging trails can be (even considering they kinda work against each other). Also what i though of while writing this part - all of the relatively new secondaries have issues with ammo. Maybe it's to compensate for nitra being more abundant in nowadays?