@@RoscoeWasHere Yeah Andor is what happens when everyone in Star Wars acts like real people. It's a change from when only a few characters iact like real people.
@@RoscoeWasHere Andor is one of the best live action star wars projects I've ever seen! Hopefully season 2 will be good even though the strikes are still going on.
One thing I think they did wrong was making storm troopers seem so useless, in the first season Mando was clearly a badass and Beskar was strong but he still felt vulnerable. In season 2 Mando was getting shot up constantly to no effect it felt less like he was skilled and more like he was using an invincibility cheat. It wasn't just Mando the bit where the women are clearing out Moff Gideon's ship really felt like there was no danger at all. It took Andor to make them seem like a threat again.
Lmao what development did Mando receive exactly? The guy is still a dumbass blank slate by the end of the season, just like how he was back in season 1
I love Mando Seasons 1 and 2 so much. Like literally, if these 2 seasons were movies, they’d be ranked a close 2nd right after the original trilogy. Better than all the prequels and sequels. And the end of season 2 made me cry
The Problem with this show (that Filoni and Katie Sackoff both admitted) is that it isn’t giving it’s characters time to breathe. Moments to just talk. It’s been confirmed that they cut entire scenes out just to keep the fast pacing and you can tell it’s hurting the show
I just consider season 3 an entirely different show with the same cast to be honest. Seasons 1 and 2 were about Din and Grogu, that story effectively ended at the end of season 2. Season 3 was about the broader Mandalorian civilization rebuilding. I think as a series that wraps up the Mandalore arc from TCW and Rebels, season 3 is really good. As far as advancing Din and Grogu's story is concerned, they were basically just... there for the ride. I don't really mind it, they did find themselves a bit in over their heads. Me personally? yeah I like this ending better than season 3's, but the stuff I loved from season 3 I _really_ loved. Finally learning what happened to Mandalore after Rebels is absolutely bone chilling stuff man, and seeing their capital city in ruins looking like a sick ass Fallout map ngl, it's really sobering stuff if you've grown up on Mandalore from the animated series. It really shows what the aftermath of a civilization that stood up to the Empire at the height of their power looks like.
My favourite season of any show ever the finale had me in tears and I love the bond between mando and Grogu and THE Star Wars character returning was just perfect
Season 2 was definitely my favourite so far, totally agree with frog lady very wholesome star wars content, I'm hopeful season 4 can improve over season 3, thanks for the quality vid yet again!!
Even after Mando season 3 i still think that is a amazing season, the fanservice even ads up to the plot, the 7th episode from this season is my favorite live-action star wars episode ever, the locations are cool aditions to Star Wars , this season is a 9/10 season (it has some flaws but they aren't to big) .
if book of boba fett didnt ruin any tension of din and grogu meeting, it could have been brilliant. one half focusing on grogu and luke, another on din and bo taking back mandalore, with them being reunited at the very end
Mando S2 I still think is really good, though it's kind of got the problem of a lot of aspects of it aging poorly. I was so excited to see Luke and thought perhaps we could get a Jedi Academy show with those two and it could help potentially dive into the relationship between Luke and Ben a bit more, give us more insight into Luke's beliefs as a Jedi Master, and explain where Grogu went by the time the sequels came around... Then BoBF happened and they backpeddled on it. I thought we'd get a whole conflict of Din rising to become the new leader of Mandalore and there'd be conflict between him and Bo Katan... Only Season 3 back peddled on it. The only thing still somewhat promising to me is Ahsoka and Thrawn, and though Dave Filoni is overseeing that show, I still can't help but feel a bit nervous about it. Still, just a few more days till that show so here's hoping it can regain some of that magic the first two seasons of Mando had.
Frog lady : needs to get her children into safety. Grogu : basically threatens the safety by eating the children. No consquences. Is that a good episode to you all now ?
S2 sets up all the opposite things that S3 pretends Mando wants to follow It presents him learning throughout all the season that Mandalorian creed only keeps them away from new alliances, compassion, identity and love He sees in Katan that just maybe the creed he believes is the absolute truth is seen as obsolete fanatism by other mandos and at the end resigns it letting go of both the creed and Grogu but FINDING HIMSELF under the helmet Enter S3 and fucking Din wants to be in again so hard he begs
Took the words right out of my mouth. He had so much potential, then S3 takes a steaming shit all over Din’s character growth and presents him as this loser who _needs_ the bitchy Armorers’ validation. The whole point of S2 is that SHE WAS WRONG. From a writing perspective, Mando was fully in the right to take off his helmet and shouldn’t have been bastardized for doing so. But then she denounces his entire heritage and basically kicks him out, which would’ve been the *perfect* set up for Din finally taking his own place…. But no. He can’t even swing the darksaber without getting his ass kicked, so he immediately passes it on to Hoe Katan, and spends the rest of the season as her little bitch. He comes crawling back to the Armorer and has to endure all this shit just to win her approval - but it didn’t matter anyway bc the Armorer flips sides and just lets Bo Katan chill without _her_ helmet. AND DIN IS PERFECTLY FINE WITH THAT 🤦🏾♂️
@@Luke_SkywaIker If there HAD to be a “she walks both worlds” arc, then it should’ve belonged to Din. Imagine if Mando Season 3 started with Din joining up with Bo Katan’s crew. We could’ve had the tension with him holding the Darksaber, having to fend off challenges and contempt from the others. Maybe ultimately learning how to wield it right. Actually give him a character arc. And if the writers didn’t have the stones to make Bo Katan a morally grey antagonist(which I still think would’ve been 10x more interesting) then they could’ve just had her train Din.
I really hate the armorer, because Din literally saved like the whole covert in the start of S3 E1, and then she just goes back to scolding him. No thank you or anything.
For a long time this used to be my favorite season of Mando and perhaps my favorite season of the Disney plus shows in general. Thanks to Luke's comeback to take Grogu with him. Now I'm not so sure since that's been rendered obsolete by TBOBF among other of Lucasfilm's studio mandates and shenanigans.
i have reaaaaaally mixed feelings on this season. i don't think it's particularly bad, but it started the loss of the western style the first season had. it also was starting to feel like they had cameos to cameo, which only got worse next season. it's also hard to not hate the ending for me because of how it was immediately abandoned, which isn't technically this season's problem, but it's not exactly something i can just ignore
“The Tragedy” outside of the ending (but including the “forgotten jetpack” moment) was definitely a low point for me, but when my wife was going through the show again, I did find myself mostly enjoying it. I feel like the “team walks through an area and just clears it no problem” got a bit old between Bo-Katan’s team and in the finale, but I think part of that is me not enjoying the feeling of “look how awesome they are” I got from it. Most of the other action/fights at least felt like they had some back and forth or narrative weight. As much as I’m bummed about Din deciding to go back on his decision to let the armor down in season 3, I do still enjoy a fair chunk of the season and it has some great highs.
Season 2 still slaps almost 4 years later. My 10 and 11 year old boys still watch seasons 1 and 2 on repeat (along with the behind the scenes documentaries)
Please stop saying Gina Carano "spent too much time on twitter". Her point was so valid and evident! I am still puzzled as to how it got everyone losing their minds over what is essentially a very important life lesson that we do see in Star Wars. Normal people with the best of intentions can participate in the worst of atrocities by going at it one step at a time, reinforcing what is expected of them by higher authorities and eventually no longer thinking about the morality of their OWN actions. The oldest trick of "divide and conquer" applied in a supposedly "advanced" modern civilization over a dumb flu that got the best marketing ever to get people into Fear of one another. Grand Moff Tarkin wishes he had this tool to keep the systems in line! No one needs a Death Star when you can just have neighbors turn on neighbors, FOR FREE! (or the low price of a few government subsidies to the failing media empires).
i have not expressed a single opinion on what Gina said. But it is objectively true that if she did not have a twitter/social media account she would still be in star wars
"New stories will always impact how we view older stories." This isn't always true and honestly shouldn't be the case if the writers are being faithful to the source material and following through with what the characters would do. Instead, we have hack writers who want to change things or try to fill in holes in the past and then fucking up that past as well. Part of it is due to the nerdom as well. The story of Han Solo and Guido and who shot first is one of the biggest examples that comes to mind. Nothing had to be changed, and that didn't have to be answered. It should have been left alone. The Disney series Kenobi also fucked up canon and made Kenobi look weak, incompetent and a failure at his job of watching over Luke. As for Mando, baby Yoda came back due to Disney marketing and that undermined his whole story and the relevance of Luke taking him away to be trained. New writing shouldn't make more problems... and it should respect the past.
i agree it isn't always true. But i think it is true when there's a planned series of stories. Like how TLJ was planned when TFA was made. Therefore I think it can hurt it
The second season is why I find season three to be so disappointing; if the second season can be so great for how much it did, why do we have to have a follow up that didn't do enough?
This season definitely felt like nostalgia-bait videogame-fetchquest The Show. Like.... I enjoyed watching it, but I have never felt the need to go back and re-watch it whatsoever.
@@thegoldman25 Maybe I'll give it a go again. But first time through, definitely felt like sidequest filler for the "get Grogu to the place" main plot. Like, definitely fun romps and stories, but ultimately inconsequential.
Not gonna do a 1 year later on Andor. I already did a video on it last year, and then with Andor season 2 coming out next year then I’ll talk about it again
I don’t believe another project can enhance or downgrade a previous project. The quality of that project is still there even if a sequel doesn’t follow up what was set up in a satisfying way. The originals are still good on their own despite the controversy of the sequels, the prequels imo aren’t that good despite the Clone Wars and Mando seasons 1 and 2 are good on their own despite Bobf and season 3. Now when you view it as an overall story things can feel diminished or enhanced but I think that if it was good before nothing will change that just that the sequel or prequel project didn’t live up to expectations.
where I will disagree is if a project is part of a wider series of projects. The Mandalorian Season 2 was made with TBOBF and Season 3 in mind, therefore i think it can kinda hurt it
@@thegoldman25Fair I just think when viewed in an wider scope then yes it does hurt but on its own the quality is still there. I hope this makes sense
Mando season 2 gets way too much hate nowadays. I really like it and it had a lot going on. I also agree that the cameo complaints are some of the weaker criticisms.
I can’t believe what a nose dive the shows took. Boba Fett sucked, Obi-Wan was disappointing, and Mando S3 was GARBAGE. I’m not even gonna watch Ahsoka because I have no faith in it. For now, I’m taking a break from Star Wars, they’ve really lost their way. Andor is obviously the exception, I hope season 2 is good
Sadly, this season has kinda soured on me a little bit, which is 100% the actual season's fault, it's what's come after. I know this season became a cameo fest, which did kind of detract from what made season 1 so special, but like with No Way Home, cameos are good if they service the plot, which I feel these did for the most part. What came after though with reversing the emotional finale of the season with the Book of Boba Fett and the lack luster following season and it feeling like they didn't know what they wanted to do with the character of Mando and Grogu, I'm not as excited to rewatch this season as I am with season 1. However, I still remember how I felt in the moment while watching the series fo the first time and will never forget some of things this season did
@@thegoldman25 Maybe I came off too harsh and ruined is too strong word. I think you make a lot excellent points in the video and when I say soured, I just mean that my enjoyment of it has slightly gone done. I just remember loving the season so much when it was being released and while I still enjoy it, I can't help but think of what came after while watching it. But hopefully your unsubscribed percentage goes up as you have another one here :)
I personally loved the first 2 seasons and I always will. I love the action, humour and characters, it takes me right back to the Original Trilogy. Sadly, the entire franchise died after season 2 and Star Wars has (apart from Tales of the Jedi) literally nothing I can enjoy ever since. The difference is strong writing and characters.
I still try to rationalize how in the world Season 3 was scripted, cast and directed by the same crew as the first 2 seasons which were both masterpieces. And by masterpiece I mean they were on par with the OT artistically, tonally and emotionally (and 2.8 was the most emotional scene in any SW vehicle since ANH or TESB).
I love season 1 more it felt great yes no just action action but purpose behind it. The book of boba Fett was alright the beginning was strong but the end was meh. Mando & Caras chemistry was great too.
Something confuses me so much. How did these people write such bland pointless and messy stories that were Boba Fett and Mando Season 3, when just 2 years prior they wrote the masterpieces that were Mando seasons 1 and 2? Like, how did it go SO off the rails after 2 brilliant seasons?
It was a great season, its rating just suffers a little due to how the show runners handled BOBF and Mando Season 3. If those shows didnt exsist, id still regaurd season 2 as a 9/10. Now its more of a 7.5/10 in my opinion.
This dude will find literally any reason to make a video. 😂 "My Virginity.... 25 Years Later" "She Hulk.... 6 Months Later" "Goldeneye..... I guess like 30 years later?"
Gina's intervention was pretty bullseye on the issue of the moment! It just didn't please the powers that be that someone got up and pointed a finger at them saying "look how they are turning us against each other". I get Godwin's Law is a thing and 3rd Reich comparisons do rub some people the wrong way, but for once a Nazi analogy was just plain valid. I can't believe how people do not understand that large scale abuses begin somewhere and it can lead to bad places if left unchecked for a while. You don't need millions of maniacs who get turned on by doing terrible things, just regular people being led to believe that what they do is the right thing while being properly scared of any other way of being. People just didn't wanna hear they were possibly wrong for snitching on neighbors over a flu and that is profoundly worrying. Evil is in everyone of us if we don't pay attention and reflect on how we make choices, we're doomed to repeat past mistakes.
I think the real problem with the whole D+ era of streaming tv is that shows are too few episode. 6-8 episodes just isn’t enough to tell a good story, the pacing suffers.
@@thegoldman25 But really, what’s the story…what’s the point of it all? It was just endless Mando-goes-to-a-place-and-gets-side-quest. You highlighted that yourself.
I put this season on the same level as S3 and The Book of Boba Fett. It's good but not great. It's better than Ahsoka, though, which is mid. And much better than Obi-Wan Kenobi, which is awful. It's much worse than Andor S1 and Mando S1.
I disagree on Bo Katan being the only mandalorian character outside the tribe left to fill the role she did in this season. They might as well have introduced a completely new mandalorian, either another former death watch, protector or independent from those two (like the True Mandalorians from Legends) just for the purpose of showing Din Djarin that there are other mandos outside of his tribe and only a sect of Mando culture. Another thing i disliked about this season is that they claim the darkaber has to be earned in combat, even though it was just an heirloom passed down for generations, according to the character that Jon Favreau himself voiced in TCW.
Again, tried to rewatch all seasons. Realistically this show has VERY little rewatchability. Really there’s about 5 great episodes in all 3 seasons….All the virgins in the comments would never dare admit that Feloni and Favreau are just one trick ponys. But I’ll hold on to a bit of faith for Ashoka 🎉
It's crazy to think that by the end of season 2, Mando is still a boring blank slate and Gideon is still a forgettable villain. People literally only like this season because cool action scenes and cameos from better developed characters and this video unintentionally proves that 😂
@@thegoldman25 Because nothing about Mando's characterization or arc is ever really mentioned, because he has no actual characterization or arc to begin with besides "caring" about a literal non-character in the form of Grogu lol. The only thing pointed out is "AHSOKAAAA, THRAAAAWN, THINGS I KNOW"
You definitely did not understand this video. The impact of the helmet removals in episodes 15 and 16 were two seasons of buildup in the making. A "boring blank slate"? The guy was a heartless mercenary at the start of S1, whose only soft spot was for Mandalorian foundlings
@@rosabellaalvarez-calderon4586 The helmet removals mean absolutely nothing because not only is it completely stupid lorewise, but the characters are literal nothings. Heartless??? Mando saved the kid in episode 1 😂
@@thegoldman25 yes, but she's also the one that forced Grogu to come back in Mando season 3 which lead to major rewrites for Book of Boba and Mando season 3, and Favreau threatening to quit
@ryansarafin12 that has not been confirmed. Looking that up, the source is Overlord DVD, who is notoriously anti Kennedy building off of Star Wars hate since at least The Last Jedi, stoking the flames of a "Lucasfilm Civil War." He claims to have "sources", yet has anything he claimed ever been truly verified? Why does she "interfere" with Favreau or keep writers from telling stories they want, but only when it comes to Favreau? Filoni still tells the stories he wants. Deborah Chow got to tell the story she wanted with Obi-wan. Tony Gilroy got to tell the story he wanted with Andor. Book writers are getting to tell the stories they want. But therre's been this narrative of Favreau+Filoni vs Kennedy since Mando season 1 and that they're gonna save Star Wars and retcon the sequels (even though more and more they tielead into them) and it has had. Absolutely. Zero. Basis. Outside of rumor-mongers like Overlord, Mike Zeroh, etc. What if it's entirely possible that...Favreau wanted Grogu back himself?
After episode 7, Bill Burr's acting is the most awesome thing I've seen in modern Star Wars. After Episode 8, It was fun while it lasted Bill.
While that episode is one of my favorites of the series, Andor puts it all to shame, tbh.
@@RoscoeWasHere Yeah Andor is what happens when everyone in Star Wars acts like real people. It's a change from when only a few characters iact like real people.
his acting was phenominal
Burr is one of the reasons The Prisoner is my favorite ep
@@RoscoeWasHere Andor is one of the best live action star wars projects I've ever seen! Hopefully season 2 will be good even though the strikes are still going on.
The Mandalorian Season 2 is still amazing despite it's problems and the goodbye between Mando and Grogu still tear me up
Why would anyone cry when both Mando and Grogu are literal non-characters
@@dancingvalkyrieSpeak for yourself
Why does hate thrive and love lost on here?
@@therailfanman2078ok
One thing I think they did wrong was making storm troopers seem so useless, in the first season Mando was clearly a badass and Beskar was strong but he still felt vulnerable.
In season 2 Mando was getting shot up constantly to no effect it felt less like he was skilled and more like he was using an invincibility cheat.
It wasn't just Mando the bit where the women are clearing out Moff Gideon's ship really felt like there was no danger at all.
It took Andor to make them seem like a threat again.
i totally agree
Season 2 was so great. It actually developed our main character and had the perfect balance between fun adventures and serious storytelling.
Agreed
Lmao what development did Mando receive exactly? The guy is still a dumbass blank slate by the end of the season, just like how he was back in season 1
Same with 3
I love Mando Seasons 1 and 2 so much. Like literally, if these 2 seasons were movies, they’d be ranked a close 2nd right after the original trilogy. Better than all the prequels and sequels. And the end of season 2 made me cry
Better... than ROTS? It's treason, then
Agreed s3 and Boba fett too
The Problem with this show (that Filoni and Katie Sackoff both admitted) is that it isn’t giving it’s characters time to breathe. Moments to just talk. It’s been confirmed that they cut entire scenes out just to keep the fast pacing and you can tell it’s hurting the show
I think it hurt with season 3, but season 1 and 2 had plenty of these scenes
Part of me wishes the mandalorian ended in S2, it was genuinely a perfect ending
Me too
I just consider season 3 an entirely different show with the same cast to be honest.
Seasons 1 and 2 were about Din and Grogu, that story effectively ended at the end of season 2.
Season 3 was about the broader Mandalorian civilization rebuilding.
I think as a series that wraps up the Mandalore arc from TCW and Rebels, season 3 is really good.
As far as advancing Din and Grogu's story is concerned, they were basically just... there for the ride. I don't really mind it, they did find themselves a bit in over their heads.
Me personally? yeah I like this ending better than season 3's, but the stuff I loved from season 3 I _really_ loved. Finally learning what happened to Mandalore after Rebels is absolutely bone chilling stuff man, and seeing their capital city in ruins looking like a sick ass Fallout map ngl, it's really sobering stuff if you've grown up on Mandalore from the animated series.
It really shows what the aftermath of a civilization that stood up to the Empire at the height of their power looks like.
Another perfect video. Season 2 was peak Disney Star Wars every episode even frog lady episode had a story to tell.
couldn't agree more! Thanks for watching!
Fans will paise anything if Ahsoka or Luke are in it lol
No. It's a great show those are minor additions
My favourite season of any show ever the finale had me in tears and I love the bond between mando and Grogu and THE Star Wars character returning was just perfect
Time to hear the genius of mugs mayfields speech again
Only true gold man fans will understand that.
Just 1 more time!
I love season 2. I love seeing Mando have his views challenged in a wider galaxy than he_d seen before.
Same here!
Holy shit that was 3 years ago? It still feels like yesterday.
Season 2 was definitely my favourite so far, totally agree with frog lady very wholesome star wars content, I'm hopeful season 4 can improve over season 3, thanks for the quality vid yet again!!
Thanks for watching!
Even after Mando season 3 i still think that is a amazing season, the fanservice even ads up to the plot, the 7th episode from this season is my favorite live-action star wars episode ever, the locations are cool aditions to Star Wars , this season is a 9/10 season (it has some flaws but they aren't to big) .
if book of boba fett didnt ruin any tension of din and grogu meeting, it could have been brilliant. one half focusing on grogu and luke, another on din and bo taking back mandalore, with them being reunited at the very end
it could've been brilliant
Geezus ..just stop. The reuniting was exactly like life.. unexpected
@@ZachKopkaZake doesn't mean good bro
@@_PK777_ fair enough you didn't like it I loved it.
@@_PK777_ ican see how saving him would have been an angle...they'll still need that for later
Mandalorian season 1&2 and even season 3 had it moments but yeah the first seasons of mando and andor are peak Disney Star Wars
agreed
@@thegoldman25 yes we finally agree on something
Mando S2 I still think is really good, though it's kind of got the problem of a lot of aspects of it aging poorly. I was so excited to see Luke and thought perhaps we could get a Jedi Academy show with those two and it could help potentially dive into the relationship between Luke and Ben a bit more, give us more insight into Luke's beliefs as a Jedi Master, and explain where Grogu went by the time the sequels came around... Then BoBF happened and they backpeddled on it. I thought we'd get a whole conflict of Din rising to become the new leader of Mandalore and there'd be conflict between him and Bo Katan... Only Season 3 back peddled on it. The only thing still somewhat promising to me is Ahsoka and Thrawn, and though Dave Filoni is overseeing that show, I still can't help but feel a bit nervous about it. Still, just a few more days till that show so here's hoping it can regain some of that magic the first two seasons of Mando had.
Yeah Boba Fett really blows
This makes me feel old because it says "2 years later"
Season 2 should've been the final season. The final goodbye to Grogu was perfect
Recently did a rewatch of Mando Season 2, still holds up man. It’s a great season of television that still enthralled me and my boys in 2023
season 2 climax was next level… it’s probably my most watched episode. great review - keep up the good work bro
Frog lady : needs to get her children into safety.
Grogu : basically threatens the safety by eating the children.
No consquences.
Is that a good episode to you all now ?
S2 sets up all the opposite things that S3 pretends Mando wants to follow
It presents him learning throughout all the season that Mandalorian creed only keeps them away from new alliances, compassion, identity and love
He sees in Katan that just maybe the creed he believes is the absolute truth is seen as obsolete fanatism by other mandos
and at the end resigns it letting go of both the creed and Grogu but FINDING HIMSELF under the helmet
Enter S3 and fucking Din wants to be in again so hard he begs
Took the words right out of my mouth.
He had so much potential, then S3 takes a steaming shit all over Din’s character growth and presents him as this loser who _needs_ the bitchy Armorers’ validation. The whole point of S2 is that SHE WAS WRONG. From a writing perspective, Mando was fully in the right to take off his helmet and shouldn’t have been bastardized for doing so. But then she denounces his entire heritage and basically kicks him out, which would’ve been the *perfect* set up for Din finally taking his own place….
But no. He can’t even swing the darksaber without getting his ass kicked, so he immediately passes it on to Hoe Katan, and spends the rest of the season as her little bitch. He comes crawling back to the Armorer and has to endure all this shit just to win her approval - but it didn’t matter anyway bc the Armorer flips sides and just lets Bo Katan chill without _her_ helmet. AND DIN IS PERFECTLY FINE WITH THAT 🤦🏾♂️
@@Luke_SkywaIker If there HAD to be a “she walks both worlds” arc, then it should’ve belonged to Din.
Imagine if Mando Season 3 started with Din joining up with Bo Katan’s crew. We could’ve had the tension with him holding the Darksaber, having to fend off challenges and contempt from the others. Maybe ultimately learning how to wield it right. Actually give him a character arc.
And if the writers didn’t have the stones to make Bo Katan a morally grey antagonist(which I still think would’ve been 10x more interesting) then they could’ve just had her train Din.
I really hate the armorer, because Din literally saved like the whole covert in the start of S3 E1, and then she just goes back to scolding him. No thank you or anything.
For a long time this used to be my favorite season of Mando and perhaps my favorite season of the Disney plus shows in general. Thanks to Luke's comeback to take Grogu with him. Now I'm not so sure since that's been rendered obsolete by TBOBF among other of Lucasfilm's studio mandates and shenanigans.
For me it's season 1&2.
When Baby Yoda meets R2 & splits w/Luke it's over....
The perfect ending.
No episodes after that matters
the Ashoka Episode is still my fav.
i have reaaaaaally mixed feelings on this season. i don't think it's particularly bad, but it started the loss of the western style the first season had. it also was starting to feel like they had cameos to cameo, which only got worse next season. it's also hard to not hate the ending for me because of how it was immediately abandoned, which isn't technically this season's problem, but it's not exactly something i can just ignore
I don't agree
“The Tragedy” outside of the ending (but including the “forgotten jetpack” moment) was definitely a low point for me, but when my wife was going through the show again, I did find myself mostly enjoying it. I feel like the “team walks through an area and just clears it no problem” got a bit old between Bo-Katan’s team and in the finale, but I think part of that is me not enjoying the feeling of “look how awesome they are” I got from it. Most of the other action/fights at least felt like they had some back and forth or narrative weight.
As much as I’m bummed about Din deciding to go back on his decision to let the armor down in season 3, I do still enjoy a fair chunk of the season and it has some great highs.
Season 2 still slaps almost 4 years later. My 10 and 11 year old boys still watch seasons 1 and 2 on repeat (along with the behind the scenes documentaries)
Please stop saying Gina Carano "spent too much time on twitter". Her point was so valid and evident! I am still puzzled as to how it got everyone losing their minds over what is essentially a very important life lesson that we do see in Star Wars. Normal people with the best of intentions can participate in the worst of atrocities by going at it one step at a time, reinforcing what is expected of them by higher authorities and eventually no longer thinking about the morality of their OWN actions. The oldest trick of "divide and conquer" applied in a supposedly "advanced" modern civilization over a dumb flu that got the best marketing ever to get people into Fear of one another. Grand Moff Tarkin wishes he had this tool to keep the systems in line! No one needs a Death Star when you can just have neighbors turn on neighbors, FOR FREE! (or the low price of a few government subsidies to the failing media empires).
i have not expressed a single opinion on what Gina said. But it is objectively true that if she did not have a twitter/social media account she would still be in star wars
Another great vid bro, thank you so much for this, can't wait to see the next one.
Thank you for watching!
Your videos are really helping me learn the dos and don'ts of writing a Star Wars series. If I ever make it big, I'll credit you
I try my best!
Still remains my favorite season of the series.
same here!
"New stories will always impact how we view older stories." This isn't always true and honestly shouldn't be the case if the writers are being faithful to the source material and following through with what the characters would do. Instead, we have hack writers who want to change things or try to fill in holes in the past and then fucking up that past as well. Part of it is due to the nerdom as well. The story of Han Solo and Guido and who shot first is one of the biggest examples that comes to mind. Nothing had to be changed, and that didn't have to be answered. It should have been left alone. The Disney series Kenobi also fucked up canon and made Kenobi look weak, incompetent and a failure at his job of watching over Luke. As for Mando, baby Yoda came back due to Disney marketing and that undermined his whole story and the relevance of Luke taking him away to be trained. New writing shouldn't make more problems... and it should respect the past.
i agree it isn't always true. But i think it is true when there's a planned series of stories. Like how TLJ was planned when TFA was made. Therefore I think it can hurt it
The second season is why I find season three to be so disappointing; if the second season can be so great for how much it did, why do we have to have a follow up that didn't do enough?
idk man
While I agree Grogu and Din were reunited a bit fast there is no "The Mandalorian" without them as a pair. There's no "Lone Wolf and Cub" without Cub
perfectly said! couldn't agree more
This was a very good season. It's a pity season 3 did not maintain the quality of 1 & 2. Thank you for this excellent video essay 👍
Glad you enjoyed it!
How did it not it expanded
This season definitely felt like nostalgia-bait videogame-fetchquest The Show.
Like.... I enjoyed watching it, but I have never felt the need to go back and re-watch it whatsoever.
I don't feel the same, it was so much fun rewatching it
@@thegoldman25 Maybe I'll give it a go again. But first time through, definitely felt like sidequest filler for the "get Grogu to the place" main plot. Like, definitely fun romps and stories, but ultimately inconsequential.
I felt like season 2 could have been a reset to everything. What a missed opportunity
I can’t wait for Andor to be a year old so we can get a retrospective on it
Not gonna do a 1 year later on Andor. I already did a video on it last year, and then with Andor season 2 coming out next year then I’ll talk about it again
@thegoldman25 andor season 2 might not come out next year as filming was halted due to the actor strike.
True, then early 2025
I don’t believe another project can enhance or downgrade a previous project. The quality of that project is still there even if a sequel doesn’t follow up what was set up in a satisfying way. The originals are still good on their own despite the controversy of the sequels, the prequels imo aren’t that good despite the Clone Wars and Mando seasons 1 and 2 are good on their own despite Bobf and season 3. Now when you view it as an overall story things can feel diminished or enhanced but I think that if it was good before nothing will change that just that the sequel or prequel project didn’t live up to expectations.
where I will disagree is if a project is part of a wider series of projects. The Mandalorian Season 2 was made with TBOBF and Season 3 in mind, therefore i think it can kinda hurt it
@@thegoldman25Fair I just think when viewed in an wider scope then yes it does hurt but on its own the quality is still there. I hope this makes sense
Nice vid bro
thank you!
that was not 3 years ago,i refuse to believe that!
3 years in October!
Please make these type of videos for Harry Potter and Fantastic beasts 🙂🙃
currently reading the HP books for the first time, will get to the video in the next few months!
@thegoldman25 oh my god yes 😍
Mando season 2 gets way too much hate nowadays. I really like it and it had a lot going on. I also agree that the cameo complaints are some of the weaker criticisms.
I love this guy, he has a lot of unpopular opinions, but he’s always right!
thank you!
Finally Goldman uploaded another video
Hey, it takes me a while to make these
I can’t believe what a nose dive the shows took. Boba Fett sucked, Obi-Wan was disappointing, and Mando S3 was GARBAGE. I’m not even gonna watch Ahsoka because I have no faith in it. For now, I’m taking a break from Star Wars, they’ve really lost their way. Andor is obviously the exception, I hope season 2 is good
You should do every season of clone wars
One day
Yes with season 1 too! And I still love them.
Can’t say same for season 3 , ahsoka…
Great video and analysis. Keep it up!
Thanks, will do!
“Gina carano spends too much time on twitter”
She didn’t even say anything slightly controversial unless you’re incredibly politically biased.
Wack.
no comment on what she said, all I know is she spent too much time on twitter
I always forget the first mandalorian season released before rise of skywalker. It's wierd
the season 1 finale technically released after the rise of skywalker
@@thegoldman25 fair
Great vid
thanks!
I Know it’s fan service but it’s alright
Sadly, this season has kinda soured on me a little bit, which is 100% the actual season's fault, it's what's come after. I know this season became a cameo fest, which did kind of detract from what made season 1 so special, but like with No Way Home, cameos are good if they service the plot, which I feel these did for the most part. What came after though with reversing the emotional finale of the season with the Book of Boba Fett and the lack luster following season and it feeling like they didn't know what they wanted to do with the character of Mando and Grogu, I'm not as excited to rewatch this season as I am with season 1. However, I still remember how I felt in the moment while watching the series fo the first time and will never forget some of things this season did
sorry it was ruined for you
@@thegoldman25 Maybe I came off too harsh and ruined is too strong word. I think you make a lot excellent points in the video and when I say soured, I just mean that my enjoyment of it has slightly gone done. I just remember loving the season so much when it was being released and while I still enjoy it, I can't help but think of what came after while watching it. But hopefully your unsubscribed percentage goes up as you have another one here :)
I personally loved the first 2 seasons and I always will.
I love the action, humour and characters, it takes me right back to the Original Trilogy.
Sadly, the entire franchise died after season 2 and Star Wars has (apart from Tales of the Jedi) literally nothing I can enjoy ever since.
The difference is strong writing and characters.
got my popcorn ready for andor 1 year later
i dont think that video will happen. I already did an "Andor... Why It's Great" video. You can go check that one out
This is a pretty solid season! It was really cool seeing ahsoka show up. And the goodbye between Din and Grogu was perfect.... Until tbobf ruined it.
agreed
Liked your comment till boba. Great show too
Why? BF was incredible
You literally argue against your own point. Boba brings life to the tuskens
Fun fact, I’m pretty sure Dave has said that ahsoka was purposely wrote to be disliked and then turned into a loved character
I still try to rationalize how in the world Season 3 was scripted, cast and directed by the same crew as the first 2 seasons which were both masterpieces. And by masterpiece I mean they were on par with the OT artistically, tonally and emotionally (and 2.8 was the most emotional scene in any SW vehicle since ANH or TESB).
Episode nine worked because The Mandalorian shared time with sheriff Timothy Olyphant.
I was listening to this while I was driving, and the scene transition sound scared the proper shit out of me.
sorry hahaha
Nah, friend, you’re golden.
I love season 1 more it felt great yes no just action action but purpose behind it. The book of boba Fett was alright the beginning was strong but the end was meh. Mando & Caras chemistry was great too.
Something confuses me so much. How did these people write such bland pointless and messy stories that were Boba Fett and Mando Season 3, when just 2 years prior they wrote the masterpieces that were Mando seasons 1 and 2? Like, how did it go SO off the rails after 2 brilliant seasons?
Probably because a certain someone kept meddling with the shows and forced them to connect it all to episode 7
This will always be the best season
Agreed
40:41 lol
It was a great season, its rating just suffers a little due to how the show runners handled BOBF and Mando Season 3. If those shows didnt exsist, id still regaurd season 2 as a 9/10.
Now its more of a 7.5/10 in my opinion.
Still a great season but it hasn’t aged particularly well imo
yeah unfortunately
Liked this way better than the first season
i wouldn't say wayyy better, but better
do you have a letterboxd?
This man and i share 98.6% of unpopular opinions. I relate to the man made of gold
Come back to say, yes, again.
What do you mean it came out three years ago? It feels like a year ago. Where did the time go???
We’re getting old
This dude will find literally any reason to make a video. 😂 "My Virginity.... 25 Years Later" "She Hulk.... 6 Months Later" "Goldeneye..... I guess like 30 years later?"
Hahahahaha
@@thegoldman25 🤣🤣😃
Yes.
4.2kth
Was it good of course it was it’s my favorite season
Do original trilogy years later please
Will get to it eventually
Season 1 and Season 2 were amazing, but Season 3 was less than average.
Nah man it wasn’t Gina spending too much time on Twitter that robbed us of that show.. it was 100% Lucasfilm
Gina's intervention was pretty bullseye on the issue of the moment! It just didn't please the powers that be that someone got up and pointed a finger at them saying "look how they are turning us against each other".
I get Godwin's Law is a thing and 3rd Reich comparisons do rub some people the wrong way, but for once a Nazi analogy was just plain valid. I can't believe how people do not understand that large scale abuses begin somewhere and it can lead to bad places if left unchecked for a while. You don't need millions of maniacs who get turned on by doing terrible things, just regular people being led to believe that what they do is the right thing while being properly scared of any other way of being. People just didn't wanna hear they were possibly wrong for snitching on neighbors over a flu and that is profoundly worrying. Evil is in everyone of us if we don't pay attention and reflect on how we make choices, we're doomed to repeat past mistakes.
if she was never on twitter she would still work at lucasfilm
I think the real problem with the whole D+ era of streaming tv is that shows are too few episode. 6-8 episodes just isn’t enough to tell a good story, the pacing suffers.
I somewhat agree. I think 6 is way to short. But 8 could work if the episodes are long enough
It has not been 3 years. It couldnt have beeen
in october it will be 3 years, so technically not quite
4300th
I was your mom's 4300th
Outside of bad-cgi Luke, I literally remember next-to-nothing about Mandalorian entirely.
that's unfortunate, there's a lot to love!
@@thegoldman25
But really, what’s the story…what’s the point of it all?
It was just endless Mando-goes-to-a-place-and-gets-side-quest.
You highlighted that yourself.
The point is to tell the story of how a many is changed by child
I put this season on the same level as S3 and The Book of Boba Fett. It's good but not great.
It's better than Ahsoka, though, which is mid.
And much better than Obi-Wan Kenobi, which is awful.
It's much worse than Andor S1 and Mando S1.
I will say, however, that the premiere is my favourite episode of TV besides the premiere of The Walking Dead Season 7.
I love how they said that Mando and Grogu were separated for a year when we all know that is definitely not the case😂
Mando 1 and 2 is the best nobody care about season 3
You can't make people not like something
@@tjk-goix8513 I never make people not or like something where did you get that in my comment?
*correction...
A bunch of weirdos being overly offended by differing opinions robbed us of Rangers of the new Republic
I disagree on Bo Katan being the only mandalorian character outside the tribe left to fill the role she did in this season. They might as well have introduced a completely new mandalorian, either another former death watch, protector or independent from those two (like the True Mandalorians from Legends) just for the purpose of showing Din Djarin that there are other mandos outside of his tribe and only a sect of Mando culture.
Another thing i disliked about this season is that they claim the darkaber has to be earned in combat, even though it was just an heirloom passed down for generations, according to the character that Jon Favreau himself voiced in TCW.
Can you make these videos without the "years later" that just makes viewers feel old?
nope, my goal is to make you feel old and sad
Again, tried to rewatch all seasons. Realistically this show has VERY little rewatchability. Really there’s about 5 great episodes in all 3 seasons….All the virgins in the comments would never dare admit that Feloni and Favreau are just one trick ponys. But I’ll hold on to a bit of faith for Ashoka 🎉
the first two seasons for me are still really rewatchable
It's crazy to think that by the end of season 2, Mando is still a boring blank slate and Gideon is still a forgettable villain. People literally only like this season because cool action scenes and cameos from better developed characters and this video unintentionally proves that 😂
How can you draw that conclusion from this video lol?
@@thegoldman25 Because nothing about Mando's characterization or arc is ever really mentioned, because he has no actual characterization or arc to begin with besides "caring" about a literal non-character in the form of Grogu lol. The only thing pointed out is "AHSOKAAAA, THRAAAAWN, THINGS I KNOW"
You definitely did not understand this video. The impact of the helmet removals in episodes 15 and 16 were two seasons of buildup in the making. A "boring blank slate"? The guy was a heartless mercenary at the start of S1, whose only soft spot was for Mandalorian foundlings
@@rosabellaalvarez-calderon4586 The helmet removals mean absolutely nothing because not only is it completely stupid lorewise, but the characters are literal nothings. Heartless??? Mando saved the kid in episode 1 😂
@@dancingvalkyrieyk. You have a very punchable face, right?
I know an easy way to fix the issues Star Wars has been having, get rid of Kennedy, and let the writers write their damn story.
she let Rian Johnson roam free
@@thegoldman25 yes, but she's also the one that forced Grogu to come back in Mando season 3 which lead to major rewrites for Book of Boba and Mando season 3, and Favreau threatening to quit
@ryansarafin12 that has not been confirmed. Looking that up, the source is Overlord DVD, who is notoriously anti Kennedy building off of Star Wars hate since at least The Last Jedi, stoking the flames of a "Lucasfilm Civil War." He claims to have "sources", yet has anything he claimed ever been truly verified?
Why does she "interfere" with Favreau or keep writers from telling stories they want, but only when it comes to Favreau? Filoni still tells the stories he wants. Deborah Chow got to tell the story she wanted with Obi-wan. Tony Gilroy got to tell the story he wanted with Andor. Book writers are getting to tell the stories they want. But therre's been this narrative of Favreau+Filoni vs Kennedy since Mando season 1 and that they're gonna save Star Wars and retcon the sequels (even though more and more they tielead into them) and it has had. Absolutely. Zero. Basis. Outside of rumor-mongers like Overlord, Mike Zeroh, etc.
What if it's entirely possible that...Favreau wanted Grogu back himself?
Luke ruined this show, hence ruined Star Wars. For me that is. Until Andor came around. And then Mando S3 ruined it again.
how?
Blaming Gina for the reason we didn’t get her is wild to me
Terrible show, really. It's abjectly afraid to be anything more than a bunch of plot beats punctuated by thin characterization.
Great vid
thanks!