Whis: The Defective Mentor | The Anatomy of Anime

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  • Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
  • In this installment of the anatomy of anime we are taking an in depth look at one of Dragon Ball's most celebrated modern characters. Whis the angel of the 7th universe.
    WE will take a look at what makes a great mentor character from Dragon Ball to Dragon Ball Z and apply that to Whis and beyond. Sit back and enjoy!
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  • @TotallyNotMark
    @TotallyNotMark  4 года назад +858

    What do you think about Whis?
    Don't forget to leave a like or dislike!

    • @chefinabottle
      @chefinabottle 4 года назад +38

      I like him. A great addition to Dragon Ball

    • @justallan3826
      @justallan3826 4 года назад +12

      Just give him shrimp and sushi and you will be fine.

    • @RizansJourneys
      @RizansJourneys 4 года назад +3

      hey what will you do with COPPA got any ideas

    • @DragonLike-vs9rb
      @DragonLike-vs9rb 4 года назад +6

      Hmmm... I will admit, this video got me thinking. *hits replay button*

    • @clumsywarrior6144
      @clumsywarrior6144 4 года назад +3

      Like!

  • @natknutson1482
    @natknutson1482 4 года назад +3686

    I think the angels are more babysitters than mentors

    • @DJ5780
      @DJ5780 4 года назад +135

      Sums it up

    • @bryanmercado5337
      @bryanmercado5337 4 года назад +226

      Nat Knutson espies in the case of Whis and Vados with Beerus and Champa. They even have to break up their childish fights

    • @Jack-mt3fw
      @Jack-mt3fw 4 года назад +6

      True

    • @Jack-mt3fw
      @Jack-mt3fw 4 года назад +9

      True

    • @kjfinch8072
      @kjfinch8072 4 года назад +21

      Whis mentors Goku and vegeta way more than beerus

  • @alexfanfan1307
    @alexfanfan1307 4 года назад +1622

    soon...
    Saibamen: the sacrificial character

    • @Netsuki
      @Netsuki 4 года назад +140

      Yamcha: The loser character
      Krillin: The dying character
      Bulma: The loud character
      Chi-chi: The louder character
      Tenshinhan: The useful even in saiyans era character
      Fortuneteller Baba: The wireless TV character
      Puerh/Oolong: The changing characters

    • @Griffolicious
      @Griffolicious 4 года назад +44

      Launch:... Who??

    • @erendripaeger9875
      @erendripaeger9875 4 года назад +35

      Korin: The senzuweed growing character

    • @hetfieldofjames5261
      @hetfieldofjames5261 4 года назад +25

      Piccolo: Gohan's Father

    • @Deathmare235
      @Deathmare235 4 года назад +20

      Black Man Lord Popo: The all powerful god

  • @manolgeorgiev9664
    @manolgeorgiev9664 4 года назад +893

    -"Gohan..."
    -"Yes Mr. Piccolo?"
    -"You're a good kid."

  • @jcfrostycheesebugga8681
    @jcfrostycheesebugga8681 4 года назад +765

    He's definitely more effective than Beerus tbh especially since he did something interesting in this months recent chapter

    • @robjef622
      @robjef622 4 года назад +22

      I have a hunch we will see him in action in the next chapter. It would be a great way to end the year.

    • @zigmus00A
      @zigmus00A 4 года назад +59

      I agree. Whis feels more like what Beerus should be. He's like an antagonistic force that isn't necessarily a bad guy. He shows up and encourages the Z Fighters to grow and become stronger and participate in the events that transpire. And unlike Beerus we haven't seen him play his hand yet, so even though his bubbly personality comes off as really charming there's this underlying mystique that's makes him intersting solely for the reason that we don't know if he is a Villain or not.

    • @Baron_Wurst
      @Baron_Wurst 4 года назад +20

      Toriyama is known to write conveniences inside his stories. But Whis created something that's even more convenient than capsules: Miraculous childbirth.

    • @15bjackson16
      @15bjackson16 4 года назад +2

      @@zigmus00A whis has that bubbly happy side but I really want to see him serious

    • @FreeAimDog
      @FreeAimDog 4 года назад +1

      they still make it? i stopped watching after the main T O P was done

  • @willchalloner6643
    @willchalloner6643 4 года назад +70

    I still think Roshi was a good mentor for Goku
    He fought him in the tournament not to change him , but to make sure he doesn’t change , to never stop improving

    • @nuredingeziqi679
      @nuredingeziqi679 2 года назад +8

      This can't be a controversial opinion, he is the best one by far, followed by Kami, King Kai and Whis in last place
      If we include Meros, he is imo better than King Kai

  • @kittiewormley
    @kittiewormley 4 года назад +1614

    In Gohan’s defense he was only FOUR years old.

    • @Baron_Wurst
      @Baron_Wurst 4 года назад +109

      When Goku was 4 he was already beating up Mountain Lions the size of a mini van.

    • @youstolemyhandleyoutwat
      @youstolemyhandleyoutwat 4 года назад +148

      @wantsuckle BUT need i remind you that gohan has the higher potential between the two?

    • @lockonstratos7787
      @lockonstratos7787 4 года назад +22

      @wantsuckle and yet according to multiple characters gohan has the ability to bc the strongest person in the universe that includes being stronger than beerus and whis.

    • @J.coleswrld
      @J.coleswrld 4 года назад +59

      @@Baron_Wurst goku was 11/12

    • @8393Robertrex
      @8393Robertrex 4 года назад +46

      @@Baron_Wurst okay but. Raditz could absolutely have annihilated them. And gohan literally left him breathless with a headbutt. Gohan was far stronger than goku was at his age. Just with none of the attitude and willingness to use it as the drawback

  • @roosterman8601
    @roosterman8601 4 года назад +488

    Looks like Toyotaro was right. It really is hard to draw Whis' eyes.

    • @RindouHasRan
      @RindouHasRan 4 года назад +9

      Ay wow, ngayon lang ako nakakita ng Pinoy sa comments section ni TottalyNotMark. Nice surprise Ito ah

    • @ayerooown
      @ayerooown 4 года назад +19

      @@RindouHasRan same hahahaha

    • @odsttrooper3724
      @odsttrooper3724 4 года назад +5

      @Aaron Burrn same hahahaha

    • @Jack_The_Lad
      @Jack_The_Lad 4 года назад +4

      @@odsttrooper3724 same hahahaha

    • @ultimatekars9652
      @ultimatekars9652 4 года назад +5

      @Aaron Burrn same hahahaha

  • @mohamedabdulla6303
    @mohamedabdulla6303 4 года назад +212

    Whis isn't a good *MENTOR* character
    But he is a damn good character
    Probably because he is a troll

  • @brendensibo9320
    @brendensibo9320 4 года назад +302

    Whis looks like he's gonna kill someone in your thumbnail, Mark

  • @rukawaa2
    @rukawaa2 4 года назад +230

    Haven't watched the vid yet but I'm gonna bet that Mark references the same book again, Creating Character Arcs by that woman idk the name of

    • @GinoChaviano19
      @GinoChaviano19 4 года назад +28

      Crimson Elucidator yea u were right

    • @NeonTiger
      @NeonTiger 4 года назад +27

      It's almost half the video lol

    • @TheLynnn
      @TheLynnn 4 года назад +46

      Seems like he doesnt read much other books about character writing does he?

    • @Gillian_FFXIV
      @Gillian_FFXIV 4 года назад +33

      @@TheLynnn lmaoooo probably his personal favorite tbh

    • @Sam-ep2yo
      @Sam-ep2yo 4 года назад +6

      10,000 zeni for you, good man

  • @ajarofpickles2826
    @ajarofpickles2826 4 года назад +399

    In all honesty he is fine I don’t see anything wrong with him. I love how calm and pragmatic he was and how he influenced the main cast. And in all honesty that is all he needs to do to play a part in the story

    • @Lukespellwalker
      @Lukespellwalker 4 года назад +5

      A jar of pickles I love whis, even when he can be wrong (like in goku black arc), he’s so calm and intelligent you’ll still think he’s right

    • @dominickperez2952
      @dominickperez2952 4 года назад +22

      I think the main point is that he doesn't affect the main cast, or at least not well. He's still an entertaining character regardless

    • @MrRobot-0
      @MrRobot-0 4 года назад

      @@dominickperez2952 well but this could be atributed to the shot sigthed nature of super arcs, the event of the story dint toke in consideration goku and vageta arcs, wis himself only showed problematic in the last arc when they used his caracther as just a tool to convenience

    • @gcDaydays
      @gcDaydays 4 года назад

      You're doing as the video said, judging him by his personality and not as his effectiveness as a mentor. I don't think this video really put the impact Goku's mentors had on him into view either.

    • @dominickperez2952
      @dominickperez2952 4 года назад +7

      @@gcDaydays None of his mentors taught him anything besides literal lessons in martial arts, mathematics, and Ki. The only mentor we know that changed his views and life was Grandpa Gohan, who only appears in the beginning of DB in flashbacks and once in the afterlife. Master Roshi taught Goku math and Japanese and how to fight but never taught him a life lesson or changed the "lie" he believed in. Same with Kami, except we don't really see that. None of his mentors really make him develop as a person. Though that doesn't mean they aren't important to Goku.

  • @Deedo_67
    @Deedo_67 2 года назад +16

    Whis being a mentor never crossed my mind honestly. I saw him as funny comic relief troll with funny voice acting, and cool yet playful demeanor. There’s something else about him I like but honestly? I can’t put my finger on it, he’s one of my favorite additions to DBZ.

  • @Stiffmiester979
    @Stiffmiester979 4 года назад +141

    Whis: The Galactic Foodie, The Interstellar Food Cellar, The Pudding Pounding Fondue Fountain.

  • @ch4rlesiv115
    @ch4rlesiv115 4 года назад +67

    Still waiting on
    Chichi - The beautiful woman who lives in Goku's house

    • @John-forever
      @John-forever 4 года назад +6

      Ah yes, another tsf fan

    • @ch4rlesiv115
      @ch4rlesiv115 4 года назад +8

      Lance Atoigue I sure do love Team Star Four

    • @DeeJayFM
      @DeeJayFM 4 года назад +7

      That is what she does

  • @tayojones9460
    @tayojones9460 4 года назад +806

    Whis is more likeable than Beerus to be honest.

    • @riiddisbuk2496
      @riiddisbuk2496 4 года назад +106

      Heck yeah. If you were to have a conversation with one of the two, you'll find Whis much more easy to get along with.

    • @PLATINUM_Rook
      @PLATINUM_Rook 4 года назад +76

      I like Whis and Beerus equally, though I'd agree Whis is more interesting and would probably be better to get along with than Beerus.

    • @TheChriscalibur
      @TheChriscalibur 4 года назад +62

      Tbf I'm not sure a God of Destruction should be likable, sort of goes against his job description i would imagine, seems like more of a Kai's job haha

    • @mysteriousjackson8883
      @mysteriousjackson8883 4 года назад +3

      I get very much on why you say that because based on what we see he doesn't really do much unless beerus tell him to do something but wiese is very capable of doing what he has to do he is strong he took beerus down one neck chop

    • @riiddisbuk2496
      @riiddisbuk2496 4 года назад +4

      @@TheChriscalibur They can be. It is just the title "God of Destruction" seems intimidating.

  • @jft2nd
    @jft2nd 4 года назад +106

    0:16 alot of people forgott this reality warping feat Whis casually pulled off.

    • @Stiffmiester979
      @Stiffmiester979 4 года назад +18

      Odd that's one of the moments I specifically remember about Whis. But I basically discovered DBS around when this scene came out for the Japanese dub.

    • @d1dg2
      @d1dg2 4 года назад +14

      @@Stiffmiester979 Japanese dub? That doesn't exist. It's the original product.

    • @notsafeforwindows
      @notsafeforwindows 4 года назад +44

      He makes Bulma give birth instantly, rewinds time, magically puts an oven mitt on Zamasu's hand, yeah Whis just kinda does what he wants with physics at this point

    • @redviper57
      @redviper57 4 года назад +21

      I wouldn't call that reality warping. The shit janemba did was reality warping. What whis did was probably just matter manipulation. He didnt really mess with reality itself

    • @RacingSnails64
      @RacingSnails64 4 года назад +6

      Got Bunnies
      it's more like manipulating matter, but indeed, Whis has a lot of power that he's not showing us

  • @MrGarenCrownguard
    @MrGarenCrownguard 4 года назад +29

    The amount of research this man does just for some quality dbz content deserves mad respect

  • @mstr293
    @mstr293 4 года назад +173

    Who will win: One OP Godlike Master with millions of years of experience vs. One Park Ranger Boi who trained on his own?

    • @Kaylosteez
      @Kaylosteez 4 года назад +19

      Gabriel Blas the park ranger duh😂unlimited stamina

    • @princelamar1735
      @princelamar1735 4 года назад +10

      I wouldn't underestimate the park ranger boy if I were you. I would explain why but spoilers for recent chapter.

    • @lockonstratos7787
      @lockonstratos7787 4 года назад +1

      Ranger boy

    • @SD-wj9bv
      @SD-wj9bv 4 года назад

      Who’s the ranger boi

    • @princelamar1735
      @princelamar1735 4 года назад

      @@SD-wj9bv It's either 17 or Merus.

  • @Anon_wulf
    @Anon_wulf 4 года назад +44

    Poor King Kai. He didn't deserve to die because of Goku's decision during the Cell fight

    • @RacingSnails64
      @RacingSnails64 4 года назад +1

      Isaiah Winfrey
      well he is a god and was gonna stay in Other World either way

    • @RacingSnails64
      @RacingSnails64 4 года назад +1

      Isaiah Winfrey
      well he is a god and was gonna stay in Other World either way

    • @RacingSnails64
      @RacingSnails64 4 года назад

      Isaiah Winfrey
      well he is a god and was gonna stay in Other World either way

    • @RacingSnails64
      @RacingSnails64 4 года назад

      Isaiah Winfrey
      well he is a god and was gonna stay in Other World either way

    • @RacingSnails64
      @RacingSnails64 4 года назад

      Isaiah Winfrey
      well he is a god and was gonna stay in Other World either way

  • @MogwaiToboggan
    @MogwaiToboggan 4 года назад +6

    I feel like Vegeta's growth comes from meeting and mentoring Cabba. Something about seeing a sayan race not bound by pride but honor I think clicked with him. Sometimes the best way to learn is to teach others.

  • @sphericalcow6014
    @sphericalcow6014 4 года назад +21

    0:29 whis gets 79% positive votes and mark calls it overwhelming support. in the beerus video he gets 71% votes and mark still says he's not a fn favorite. lol

  • @banako420
    @banako420 4 года назад +115

    1:55 everyone that has watched this series: OH MY GOD NOT AGAIN, WE KNOW MARK!

    • @josephbriggs2257
      @josephbriggs2257 4 года назад +1

      Ah shit, here we go again.

    • @Vorael
      @Vorael 4 года назад +8

      You're not kidding. It kinda starts to feel like Groundhog Day after a while.

    • @dragonofthewhiteflame4987
      @dragonofthewhiteflame4987 4 года назад +4

      I agree with you. But to be fair, he doesn't have much leeway if someone hasn't seen this series before.
      You can argue he put some kind of link to the other videos but that still wouldn't stop him from mentioning it.

    • @keenanmccarty9925
      @keenanmccarty9925 4 года назад +1

      I mean, I get that dbz is very arch so Creating Character Arcs is a good foundational text for analysis, but his viewers know by now, he should just throw it in more casually with a footnote citing the source (like most more academic video essays on RUclips) in the corner or something instead of giving this simple concept the whole “source cited” song and dance each time.

    • @obesus787
      @obesus787 4 года назад +1

      Keenan McCarty it’s a Dragon Ball theory video, not an academic paper.

  • @TheInzane1998
    @TheInzane1998 4 года назад +14

    I really love this series, it's what got me to realize I love film as much as I do and that film studies, not engineering, was the path for me. I just want you to keep up the good work, and know that you inspired someone to follow their hobby.

  • @notadildo9252
    @notadildo9252 4 года назад +113

    I really WHIS that they fix this if Super ever comes back

    • @yessirde
      @yessirde 4 года назад +4

      Sam,,,please,,,

    • @g34r96
      @g34r96 4 года назад

      it is back? the manga is continued

    • @remig0ld_641
      @remig0ld_641 4 года назад +2

      Why do I smell the fact that someone might get whooooshed?

    • @fishyboi8909
      @fishyboi8909 4 года назад

      PotatoBeanGaming 2 it’s wish stupid not whis......

    • @sidew8ys
      @sidew8ys 4 года назад +2

      Baka this is meta af

  • @WC3fanatic997
    @WC3fanatic997 4 года назад +13

    I'm going to agree with the others here saying he's more of an "Attendant" type of entity; yes, he CAN teach, mostly to those who are already above everyone else about things Mortals simply couldn't know about by themselves, but most of what he does is simply monitoring and watching.
    You seem to forget that the Angels, while full of personality, are absolutely remorseless and lack any real morals other than doing what they think they should do at the time . . . which typically amounts to whatever seems amusing. They are not meant to do anything specific, nor do they have any clearly-defined rules or parameters. Zeno created them as Neutral all-encompassing forces simply meant to observe the Universes and give certain individuals in each of them the tools to use to either make the Universe better or worse without any real personal input on the part of the Angel's themselves.

  • @jamesrosengrant8675
    @jamesrosengrant8675 4 года назад +23

    Cant wait till "dragon ball super: the trouble successor" video. If that's actually the title then I win all internet awards

  • @itscreedsama7606
    @itscreedsama7606 4 года назад +12

    A mentor was a secondary job being a guardian/ attendant was his primary job

  • @darktrey50
    @darktrey50 4 года назад +66

    This whole series is just a thinly veiled attempt to get your waifu K. M. Weiland's attention. You ain't slick.

  • @CorockDragneel
    @CorockDragneel 4 года назад +18

    Whenever a character of anime comes to discussion I usually talk about their power and skill never as what they usually are as a person in fiction like how TotallyNotMark explains...

    • @toddstone230
      @toddstone230 4 года назад +4

      Even in animes that don't have people with powers?

    • @CorockDragneel
      @CorockDragneel 4 года назад

      @@toddstone230 well not it exactly, most of my friends don't pay attention to other anime besides shounen and ghoul

  • @SmolAndAngyyy
    @SmolAndAngyyy 4 года назад +40

    Dragon ball franchise: *is an acceptable, fun entry level anime for people who are potentially not anime fans*
    This guy: *im about to ruin this career's whole career*

    • @andreavoigtlander1087
      @andreavoigtlander1087 3 года назад

      dragonball franchise: is the best fictional work in the hall universe

  • @itsjustjayy7390
    @itsjustjayy7390 4 года назад +6

    Mark: *Talks about Whis(an angel)*
    Also Mark: * Plays the theme of the soul-killing, mountain-destroying, demon-esque character known as Akuma(literally translates to Demon, or Devil, can't remember which).

    • @Sakaki98
      @Sakaki98 4 года назад

      Well that explains the thumbnail lol

  • @anonimogt495
    @anonimogt495 4 года назад +6

    Me personally, at this point I can't imagine Dragon Ball without Whis and Beerus, they are amazing characters.

  • @Livingroomset799Dep
    @Livingroomset799Dep 4 года назад +57

    This series is just slowly becoming why every DBS character is seriously flawed

    • @Indigex
      @Indigex 4 года назад +25

      Well, alot about DBS is flawed...

    • @AdrianMartinez-bg5kl
      @AdrianMartinez-bg5kl 4 года назад +68

      DBS: I don't feel nostalgic for it, therefore its flawed.
      All of this guy's videos boil down to him complaining that Toriyama is trying to mix up the formula of Dragon Ball instead of adhering to the same rigid archetypes and themes we've seen a thousand times before in past series and other media. The irony is that a number of his complaints can be applied to number of DBZ characters he praises in other videos - but he is subconsciously willing to overlook that because of nostalgia.
      What makes Dragon Ball unique is precisely Toriyama's willingness to try new things and turn existing tropes on their head. When you take that experimentation out and adhere solely to traditional ideas about story telling, you end up with mediocre works...like GT. Is DBS perfect? Nope. But when your polls consistently show that the characters you're complaining about are loved by the fanbase, that shows that something is going right.
      The fact that Whis isn't a textbook example of what makes a "good" mentor like say, Kami, isn't a sign that he is flawed. In fact I'd bet dollars to pesos that in 10 years, people will think more highly of Whis than Kami precisely because Whis' is character is more complex than some generic mentor figure. That is what Totally Not Mark misses when he complains that Whis isn't delivering the "desired utility and optimal effect a mentor should have": Whis is supposed to be more than a generic mentor in DBS.
      Whis plays a number of roles, perhaps most importantly serving as an embodiment of what makes the Angels and their motivations both mysterious and ominous. Whis' disinterested and generic training is not an oversight, its deliberate - it is supposed to distinguish him from Goku's past mentors and make us question what his motivations are and if he actually cares about the Saiyans. But rather than considering what role Whis plays **beyond** being a mentor, Totally Not Mark arbitrarily decides that the utility Toriyama is trying to get from the character solely to creator a mentor for the Saiyans thereby imaging "flaws" due to his own narrow focus.
      Is Whis' execution perfect? Not by a long shot. Are all the stories he appears in masterpieces? No way. But to suggest he is "defective" when compared to characters like Kami, who was easily discarded and forgettable, is a laughable idea that only sits well with views because most of them grew up watching DBZ.

    • @cake6851
      @cake6851 4 года назад +21

      @@AdrianMartinez-bg5kl Or and hear me out. Just like with everything it has flaws. It just so happens it has a metric fuck ton of them.

    • @ganoninthepit
      @ganoninthepit 4 года назад +14

      @@AdrianMartinez-bg5kl Nah, it's just extremely flawed in general.

    • @DJ5780
      @DJ5780 4 года назад

      Yup cuz dbs is flawed. Gotta work with what you have right?

  • @Dragonatrix
    @Dragonatrix 4 года назад +3

    Beerus gets a 79% approval rating and that shows how divisive he is.
    Whis gets a 79% approval rating and that shows how popular he is.
    Hmm.

    • @xandrepearcy449
      @xandrepearcy449 4 года назад

      Probably because the same people like them. They are also a power couple. They would both be pretty beige without the other.I can't see someone liking one but not the other. I myself find them as dull as the other. Not bad character...just predictable and dull.

  • @kaihedgie1747
    @kaihedgie1747 4 года назад +17

    This actually was something I ruminated on some months ago. Whis seems like the kind of mentor that would actually help to develop and strengthen Goku both physically and mentally. Show him a new or better outlook at life while simultaneously giving him the kind of power needed to fight against new threats, all shown not through just a new form but a different fighting style.
    And yet all we got was a Goku that stagnated and got worse over time and the scale of the fights he's in or how they're put together have not changed one bit from the level displayed in Z. It's even worse given that despite being granted divine powers, he is consistently humbled by people who don't have or even need those same powers, making Goku a lot smaller and weaker than most people usually try to perceive him. It's as if either Goku's learned nothing from him due to Whis' method of training or Goku is simply incapable of learning anything out of his comfort zone

    • @-cams.
      @-cams. 4 года назад +1

      You know, Whis had that potential. I too thought that... Needless to say, I am *very* disappointed.

  • @cornragebeanie8889
    @cornragebeanie8889 4 года назад +6

    The most powerful characters in dragonball are who love food the most I just realized that

  • @VotePaineJefferson
    @VotePaineJefferson 4 года назад +16

    Whis is a really fun character. How could anyone dislike him?

    • @cristiansaucedo4707
      @cristiansaucedo4707 4 года назад +1

      He could be fun in a superficial way but might not offer more to viewers. Don't watch Super but that would be my guess.

    • @VotePaineJefferson
      @VotePaineJefferson 4 года назад

      @Auspicious Legend I don't know, I'm just here for the pie.

    • @ggamesgarner8027
      @ggamesgarner8027 4 года назад +1

      Bewildered Bodhisattva I agree he’s like Beerus you just can’t not like the character.

    • @jameshollister8294
      @jameshollister8294 8 месяцев назад

      ​@@ggamesgarner8027berus sucks lol

  • @yahsworld2940
    @yahsworld2940 4 года назад +14

    The angle? I thought he was an angel, not an aspect of geometry.

  • @strangepigeon1711
    @strangepigeon1711 4 года назад +16

    Goku - flat character
    Android 18 - thicc character

    • @RacingSnails64
      @RacingSnails64 4 года назад +2

      Strange Pigeon
      *Dodoria - thicc character

    • @strangepigeon1711
      @strangepigeon1711 4 года назад +2

      @@RacingSnails64 you mean EXTRA THICC character

    • @muhdreamguts
      @muhdreamguts 4 года назад +1

      *Dodoria - Wide character

    • @Blissed12
      @Blissed12 4 года назад +1

      What makes her thick? I dont see it everyone says she thick but I dont get it she doesn't have an ass

  • @Amplifymagic
    @Amplifymagic 4 года назад +8

    That manga cliff hanger though, were we right? Is Meerus really a defected angel?
    FIND OUT NEXT TIME IN DRAGON BALL SUPER!

  • @sorryaaahhh7648
    @sorryaaahhh7648 4 года назад

    Most of what you say is so true and most of that I knew and liked someone else with a public voice actually mention it but sometimes I hear you say things that make me look deeper into DB related things and I usually agree but whether I do or dont love how you make me look deeper into it and make me learn more from it which is one of many reasons why I love your videos and live watching them multiple times, thank you mark 👍

  • @timgarripoli7330
    @timgarripoli7330 4 года назад +1

    Vegeta's growth doesn't suddenly happen. There is a big deal put on Vegeta forcing himself to try and relax and getting pummeled for it during the tournament of power. He is forced to realize that it isn't just being relaxed but letting his emotional stress of catching Goku relax that will enable him to develop further. Vegeta takes the advice seriously and you see multiple times throughout the ToP arc where he is inteltionally following Whis's advice.

  • @JS-yu6jz
    @JS-yu6jz 4 года назад +4

    Whis is an enabler. I think he finds the situation they're in funny

  • @richardslivingston
    @richardslivingston 4 года назад +1

    All praise be to K. M. Weiland. Who without, we would be lost, unable to comprehend the mystical "Character Arc".

  • @wanted491
    @wanted491 4 года назад +5

    2 things that changed dragon ball for ever are super saiyans and beerus and whis

  • @ToniDelgadoAbellan
    @ToniDelgadoAbellan Год назад +1

    i actually liked Whis because he's a mentor with nothing at stake. In Z Roshi and King Kai are somewhat "vulnerable" so they are maybe more connected to Goku, but Whis offers a contrast: kind of like he supplies knowledge but no judgement

  • @polar902
    @polar902 4 года назад +3

    I think mark would be amazing at doing those final episode lines:
    "Tune in next time to totallynotmark"-i definitely see that happening

  • @IslesofFuryAuthor
    @IslesofFuryAuthor 4 года назад

    Totally Not Mark, your avatar looks like how I'd picture gohan after cramming to study for his medschool finals.

  • @geekymetalhead5112
    @geekymetalhead5112 4 года назад +9

    The title: *Defective mentor*
    What I read: *Defective Minor*

  • @SotallyToberYT
    @SotallyToberYT 4 года назад

    KEEP MAKING MORE VIDEOS. This is my favorite series on youtube, whenever I see that black and white thumbnail I know there's going to be CHARACTER.

  • @twiztidrivers6192
    @twiztidrivers6192 4 года назад +13

    I think hes a great character and he brings something special to the show.

  • @ssjbread2803
    @ssjbread2803 4 года назад

    I like the shading you've added to the art of yourself in the video. Really stands out this time around.

  • @Rexthebrave
    @Rexthebrave 4 года назад +3

    0:57 its ironic how he's playing akuma's(a demon) theme for whis(a angel)

  • @BucketThinkTank14657Nerd
    @BucketThinkTank14657Nerd 4 года назад +1

    I think the problem is Whis feels like he has next to nothing to do with the plot or story. There’s no real rush in the story for Whis to train and it’s hard to figure what he wants or has to gain by training Goku or Vegeta. Roshi likes to teach, and there were reasons in story for Korin, Kami, King Kai, Elder Supreme Kai, all of them. Whis, as great as he is (my fav character in Super) is really just sort of there

  • @sheru7793
    @sheru7793 4 года назад +18

    "Totally not mark" A professional critic

  • @chaselowell4567
    @chaselowell4567 10 месяцев назад

    thank you for clarifying about how a character can grow while having a flat character arc that really confused me for quite some time.

  • @moisesgutierrez5404
    @moisesgutierrez5404 4 года назад +8

    Next one: Cell, the "perfect" character.

  • @benjaminpeters6729
    @benjaminpeters6729 4 года назад +1

    Goku's training with kami was stated to actually be exclusively with mr popo. And there goku had to be reminded that just because he beat piccolo, doesn't mean he is invincible

  • @Darkjonny79
    @Darkjonny79 4 года назад +14

    Yo Mark, I'm early this time. Doing Whis and Beerus before my boy Tien? When's he getting his anatomy? Is he next?

    • @Deathmare235
      @Deathmare235 4 года назад +1

      Darkjonny79 and krillin

    • @sendAJtospace
      @sendAJtospace 4 года назад +2

      Darkjonny79 The hell does Tien’s character have worth mentioning? His character arc lasted the span of a few episodes. I doubt that’s enough for a whole video, especially with how simple it is

    • @305Independent
      @305Independent 4 года назад +12

      Tien would fall too closely to Piccolo's video of "The Humiliated Character" to get his own.

    • @theworldisimmense
      @theworldisimmense 4 года назад

      ohmyGUHDness tien is such a great character. One of my faves. He just wasn’t use much

    • @sendAJtospace
      @sendAJtospace 4 года назад

      Theworld isimmense Yeah, happens to most characters that aren’t Saiyans

  • @gonzalotorres5282
    @gonzalotorres5282 4 года назад

    *If you love both Masakazu Morita and Ian Sinclair, you must hear what Arturo Castañeda sounds like.*
    The guy is the best example of "ascended fanboy": He is the son of Adult Goku's VA, Mario Castañeda. He convinced his father as a kid to take that role, he was given the new episodes by dubbing director Gloria Rocha herself. And is a good VA too!
    To me watching Whis give advices to Goku and Vegeta in DBS, is like Arturín explaining over and over again what his father and René García did to gain such followers.

  • @Mr.Autodelete
    @Mr.Autodelete 4 года назад +21

    Angel Mark, not angle, stop working so hard buddy get your rest

  • @ИгорьГорелов-ы4п
    @ИгорьГорелов-ы4п 3 года назад +1

    For Akuma's theme you have my respect.

  • @Ikarusu
    @Ikarusu 4 года назад +9

    its ok mark you can say Super is Mediocre, we won't get angry

  • @feline2322
    @feline2322 Год назад +1

    One thing I didn't like about Whis was the fact that Whis has always been pushing Goku to calm his mind completely even though he is a saiyan, and now all of a sudden he scolds Goku for trying to be like the Angles and find his own ultra instinct EVEN THOUGH THAT'S MOSTLY WHAT WHIS HAS BEEN TEACHING GOKU. But I feel like Whis didn't really understand and accept saiyan nature until the granola arc. And I'm perfectly fine with that. But I just wish we would see some development with Whis to show his realization on how he was wrong about Goku and Vegeta. But now that I think about it, it is beneficial to have two different mind sets, the mind set of an angel and a saiyan. And I'd like to point out a real good point Vegeta made about how he should remain relaxed and only have his power level raised when he is attacking so the opponent doesn't know what to expect and to conserve energy. That's why Vegeta meditated, to have a relaxed mindset. Jiren can do it instinctively while Vegeta is a Saiyan so it woukd be hard for him to master. But then again, in Ressurection of Frieza whis said that Goku needs to be less calm but then proceeds to switch up his attitude when he sees Goku use ultra instinct. So what I think Whis should teach is that to have different mindsets but not forget or let go of their original ones. Which is where true ultra instinct and Ultra ego plays a part.

  • @jp3813
    @jp3813 4 года назад +5

    11:30 That writer probably hates Doc Brown from Back to the Future.

  • @internetperson3436
    @internetperson3436 4 года назад +1

    The more i watch this series, the more i realize this series is amazing, but far from the best, and that most manga series today have taken lessons from the show, and improved on it 10 fold

  • @magicofswords7060
    @magicofswords7060 4 года назад +14

    Whis is pure neutral, just as angels should be.

    • @MedK001
      @MedK001 4 года назад +1

      So is Beerus tho

    • @peacethrufiregames7058
      @peacethrufiregames7058 3 года назад

      @@MedK001 no he’s just lazy he said he didn’t WANT to not that he couldn’t because he was gonna right buu

    • @MedK001
      @MedK001 3 года назад

      @@peacethrufiregames7058 yes, he's lazy, but that's not what I thought made him neutral.
      He's going around destroying planets; that's bad. But it's his job & he does that to "keep balance"; that's good.
      Both are neutral, but I'd say Whis is more lawful while Beerus is more chaotic

    • @peacethrufiregames7058
      @peacethrufiregames7058 3 года назад

      @@MedK001 no dude he doesn’t do his job he destroys planets if they don’t please him his JOB is raising the mortal level which he failed to do as of grand priest and Xenos eyes

    • @MedK001
      @MedK001 3 года назад

      @@peacethrufiregames7058 his job is to destroy planets in order to rise the mortal level. The criteria for what gets destroyed is up to him, though.
      From what I see, he's definitely rising the mortal culinary levels.

  • @irish_starfish
    @irish_starfish 4 года назад

    Love How Mark and His Art Style/Thumbnails are growing more and more

  • @dannybenhur6123
    @dannybenhur6123 4 года назад +11

    WHIS: TOTALLY NOT MENTOR

  • @UnifiedEntity
    @UnifiedEntity 4 года назад +1

    And in case for anyone wondering from 00:49, its a remix of Akumas theme from MVC3

    • @snkenjoyer4989
      @snkenjoyer4989 4 года назад

      Yup. Its the sfxt version im pretty sure

  • @ech0222
    @ech0222 4 года назад +7

    Goku technically has a positive character arc it just only lasted about 5.4 seconds lol

  • @MrPokefan124
    @MrPokefan124 4 года назад

    This is your best analysis yet

  • @Burdboy14
    @Burdboy14 4 года назад +4

    I don’t think Vegeta stopped chasing after Goku
    He’ll just surpass him in his own way

    • @shenanigans8353
      @shenanigans8353 4 года назад +3

      Except at the end of the buu saga, but super decided to forget that was a thing that happened :P

    • @Stiffmiester979
      @Stiffmiester979 4 года назад

      Yeah Vegeta will always chase Goku and Goku will always chase the next level for himself.

    • @Burdboy14
      @Burdboy14 4 года назад

      michael deering he literally said in Dbs that he wouldn’t let Goku be number one forever

    • @shenanigans8353
      @shenanigans8353 4 года назад +4

      @@Burdboy14 still feels like a regression of vegeta's character by forcing a character arc that had already ended to continue, likely due to having no idea how to write goku and vegeta's relationship post buu saga without vegeta being competitive

    • @danielijust8776
      @danielijust8776 4 года назад +1

      @@shenanigans8353 true. That is why i have a hard time liking super

  • @The-Determined-Ninja
    @The-Determined-Ninja 4 года назад

    I recall seeing Vegeta struggle emotionally all throughout the tournament of power, like when fought that uuuh, 'Alphabet' guy(?) and shut his eyes in an effort to "relax". Not to mention I don't doubt Goku was overly relaxed in fights at all so I trust the judgment of them having opposite issues.

  • @WhatsTubeChannel
    @WhatsTubeChannel 4 года назад +9

    You got potential, but your channel seems like you read one single book and base all your videos on it.
    More Variation please

  • @amirhaziq7247
    @amirhaziq7247 3 года назад

    Holy ship now that you said it at 2:39
    Tfs gohan's words to Goku "i can take care of us" basically means he trusts his ability to its fullest now
    That's soo awesomeee

  • @Slave-of-the-most-merciful
    @Slave-of-the-most-merciful 4 года назад +3

    Whis is so strong he achieved Super Saiyan 10

  • @wombatonsteroids
    @wombatonsteroids 3 года назад

    In regards to Vegeta's decision to stop obsessing over Goku, one thing you may have missed - In Super, Vegeta adamantly refuses to go train with Goku at one point, or to even seek out fights, because he's waiting for the birth of his daughter. I think there are little hints like that throughout Super that Vegeta isn't just less obsessed with being better than Goku, but just with overall life balance in general. He's just mentally healthier.

  • @phenomenonnarutokun
    @phenomenonnarutokun 4 года назад +7

    But he wasn't meant to be a mentor... Why explore something he's not supposed to be?

  • @freewyvern707
    @freewyvern707 4 года назад

    0:52 to 1:05
    Nice intro/montage of mentors, nice editing too with the cuts and fading in/out music and changing between shots on pace with the music

  • @shuumatsunojoshua
    @shuumatsunojoshua 4 года назад +13

    Whis makes me thirsty
    Cause his name is based off of whisky

    • @RedRhythm_1
      @RedRhythm_1 4 года назад +4

      i was thinking something else lol I'm a dirty boy

    • @spowden
      @spowden 4 года назад +2

      They got us in the first half,not gonna lie

  • @RandomVideoCommenterOME
    @RandomVideoCommenterOME 4 года назад

    Man that half second shot of Goku firing a kamehameha at a car and just about breaking it is so humbling.

  • @Phantom9252
    @Phantom9252 4 года назад +8

    siiigh. Dude. I loved the first few videos in this series but these last few and your rewrite of the Buu saga have really turned me off your content. It feels like you have fundamentally misunderstood Toriyama's writing style and what makes it so great. Specifically in this video you talk about how you love Whis' personality but you don't like how "his character doesn't serve a narrative purpose." My problem with that, and why I say you have misunderstood Toriyama's writing style is that Whis' personality IS his purpose. Dragon Ball is not a series where characters serve narrative but one where narrative serves characters, Dragon Ball isn't about the destination but the journey, it's not about the wish you make when you have all 7 but the adventure you went on to get them. And your comments that Goku and Vegeta's training under Whis doesn't actually lead anywhere for them is really less about Whis and more about the flaws of Super. Super refuses to advance and develop the core cast because it /can't/ develop them, because it has to still fit into a pre-determined ending (Goku flying away to train Uub) it can't make any changes that would alter that ending.

  • @macnchillidogs1601
    @macnchillidogs1601 4 года назад +1

    I'm glad whis isnt your usual mr miyagi clone, and instead he just does deals with his students, yummy food=knowledge of ways to reach awesome levels of power.

  • @drippy.mcflip
    @drippy.mcflip 4 года назад +3

    12 minute video 'about Whis' but you talk about him for 2 minutes and you always hatin'

  • @aydomac
    @aydomac 3 года назад +1

    3:36 “Why didn’t you... DOOOOODGE”

  • @patton3081
    @patton3081 4 года назад +3

    he Is a good person but he Is a plot device I wish he wasn't as powerful. Maybe mystical strength or take away time power and his power to revive people.

    • @RedRhythm_1
      @RedRhythm_1 4 года назад +1

      the only power to take away is the
      revive characters that is to op

    • @ojutay8375
      @ojutay8375 4 года назад

      He can't do it at will. Only when Beerus says so

    • @patton3081
      @patton3081 4 года назад

      @@RedRhythm_1 I agree it feels like whis is the new dragon balls. If he can just resurrect people than death goes from little to zero impact.

  • @uglypenguin8263
    @uglypenguin8263 4 года назад +1

    Man i only just started watching these but they are great videos!

  • @robokrabs3549
    @robokrabs3549 4 года назад +1

    I feel like this guy can teach an entire class.

  • @SillyIdea
    @SillyIdea 4 года назад

    I think what Whis needs is some agency. Yes he's an attendant and mentor, yes he's powerful enough it's hard to even see growth if it does happen, but we've already seen a glimpse of personal goals. With both Vegeta and Goku, he tried to make them promise to be the next god of destruction before training them, but was bribed with food by vegeta and with goku....it just never came up again. In an odd twist I think the recent Broly movie could provide this. When Gogeta came back to the fight, Whis was seen practically dancing around Broly, but I have to imagine being face to face with someone stronger than both his students (individually) at the time would get his curiosity. Especially with Broly's rampaging state in mind. I'd love to see a scene somewhere of Whis going to Broly when he's calm, and offering to mentor him into the next deity. All in all, he's a perfect candidate. It could be a positive change arc with Broly learning to control his anger like Gohan, or even a negative change arc with a damaged man becoming a monster.

  • @astraldirectrix
    @astraldirectrix 4 года назад +2

    What’s up Mark? What’s up everybody?

  • @number7576
    @number7576 4 года назад +3

    These videos almost always boil down to "this character doesn't adhere to what it says in this book so they are bad"

    • @TotallyNotMark
      @TotallyNotMark  4 года назад

      I didn't say he was a bad character. I actually said I really enjoy his personality and character. What I explained was what a mentor character is and how Whis doesn't follow that structure... Which might explain why Dragon Ball Super was seen as less than when compared with Dragon Ball Z.

  • @dumspirospero9074
    @dumspirospero9074 4 года назад +1

    Love those analytics, keep them up!

  • @coolbrice5990
    @coolbrice5990 4 года назад +5

    Mark, you’ve helped me see why I love and hate the characters of Dragon Ball. I love you and hate you all at the same time!

  • @damianyt6155
    @damianyt6155 2 года назад +2

    Who else noticed the Street fighter X Tekken Akuma theme?

  • @sabaibaikari7023
    @sabaibaikari7023 4 года назад +9

    25 views and 43 likes. I don’t see anything wrong with that.

  • @DomyTheMad420
    @DomyTheMad420 Год назад

    somehow Whis actually is my favorite (new) character in Dragonball.
    there's just something adorably relatable about an immortal ageless "angel" who's only real joy in life is "Oooh that smells delicious!"

  • @dablazingbryan5559
    @dablazingbryan5559 4 года назад

    Having the Akuma Final Boss music playing when introducing Whis brought back so many memories of fighting him. Thank you jesus

  • @TheRelleshVillager
    @TheRelleshVillager 4 года назад +2

    Whis is probably my favourite character in DBS