Skid Row - Sebastian Bach vs. Erik Grönwall - Vocal Showdown - Who Did It Better? Ken Tamplin
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
- I got some requests to compare the vocals of Sebastian Bach vs. Erik Grönwall in Skid Row. It turns out to be a battle in many ways. Watch to see who YOU think is the best fit for the band!
Skid Row - Sebastian Bach vs. Erik Grönwall - Vocal Showdown - Who Did It Better? Ken Tamplin
I have received many requests on what my take is on the new singer for Skid Row.
As many people may or may not know, Skid Row has had quite a few singers in the band over many years, and believe it or not, Sebastian Bach is not the original singer.
But instead of focusing on all of the singers, I thought it would be best to stay with the request which was Sebastian Bach vs. Erik Grönwall.
Since Erik is relatively new in the band, I don't think it's fair to judge him so prematurely.
But I do think it's OK to enjoy taking a look at both vocalists' strong points and evaluate their strengths (and weaknesses) positively.
So I put together a montage of each one of them for evaluation with some of Skid Row's greatest hits to take a look at their performances back-to-back in hopes to do a blindfold test. So on the one hand, let's not judge based on nostalgia, or on the other hand, let's not be given only to the enchantments of something shiny and new.
Let's enjoy both singers together, shall we?
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Sebastian wasn’t trying to fill someone’s shoes, he was wearing the dang Shoes!!
Sebastian MADE the dang shoes!!
Seriously there is no Skid Row without Sebastian Bach! He is a legend!
Totally agree 👍
@@angelar6014I second that
You hear Eric sing. You FEEL Sebastian sing.
Yes. This exactly.
Young Sebastian with his size and range and power is almost impossible to match. Not to mention his charisma and craziness. He was the quintessential rock god.
Well said 👏
Ya Sebastian has way more charisma. Its not even close. Sebastian is one of the greatest frontmen ever. He's a beast in vocals and in stage presence. Like zero insecurities. Almost all these other front men were on drugs and masking insecuritues. Even Chris Cornell had mad anxiety.
Sebastian was an alpha frontman. Just chill and sure of himself in everything he did. Eric is very feminine and although he hits all the notes it like he is afraid to be a little off in the name of style.
I never got to see Robert Plant but Sebastian seems similar to me. Sebastian is just more masculine and less sentimental than almost any other great singer which tend to be feminine guys.
The only other guy I have seen like Sebastain was the Edwin the lead singer of Eye Mother Earth.
@@groundcontrol5365 Hehe... well... "masculine" is probably not the word I would choose for Sebastian... he looks like a slender angel.
yup, and he's a good friend with another rock god, axl rose,
I would argue Steelheart's Miljenko Matijevic and Stryper's Michael Sweet could all be 1,2,3 in any order on a given day. :)
The first two skid row row albums are basically flawless. Bach is untouchable. A rock god amongst rock gods. Different era all together. Eric is far closer to the album than any of the replacement singers and closer than Bach has been in a very long time. An impossible task to “replace” vintage era Bach. You won’t hear those songs sung better today than what Eric is doing. Fantastic talent and congrats to him for living the dream.
Absolutely spot on. I don’t care for bach’s drama ! But you’re absolutely right
Sebastian bach always sings better he was the original.
Very well said. Applause
Untouchable rock god singer? Have you ever heard of this one dude called Freddie Mercury?
Very true. I’m all Bach but in recent years Eric is a fabulous sounds so close to Sebastian
We can talk all day about who's pitch is better or who's note hits higher but at the end of the day Bach will always be the signature voice of Skid row.. nobody can replace him tbh. Not only was his voice the trademark of the band but his looks as well.
YES! Damn, I practically wrote the same thing. Well said!
Sebastian was one of the few singers who could make chills run down my spine when he sang. This will always be his song and like him or not he put Skidrow on the map like no one else could.
Well,Eric take it to a new level,so just be greatful man😀🎶
I totally agree 💯 @kellyherms812
Eric takes Skid Row to a new map,thats rocks much more🍻🎶
I think maybe his looks is what put them on the map
@@jennifers8843 I agree 100% Sebastian was gorgeous when he was younger but he also had a great voice he was just an asshole when he was young!!
They're both talented, but Sebastian is the one that will go down in history.
Obviously and rightfully so. One started the band. The other covers for the one starting the band 40 years later
@@QuickZ_ actually Bas was not their first singer.
History is not written yet. Considering Eric's capacity, he will go far.
@@mikaelandersson4519 Not in this over the hill band
@@QuickZ_ Skid Row was formed Rachel Bolan and Dave Sabo. Sebastian Bach replaced original singer Matt Fallon after the band spotted Bach singing at a wedding.
Sebastian is like Steve Perry....they broke the glass ceiling in rock music. Replacing their front men has not panned out for either band...for a reason. It's not simply the singing..but that feeling of never forgetting the first time you heard it.
I disagree. I saw all of Journey's frontmen at least twice. 80s Perry was awesome, Augeri was great, Pineda is amazing but my fav was Jeff Scott Soto. I think he approached the tunes differently, not trying to put that upper register on the songs gave the set a new vibe. I liked it.
Great example. Steve Pretty IS Journey just like Sebastian Bach IS Skid Row.
Eric is a singer. Sebastian is a ROCKSTAR!
Exactly.
Eric is a karaoke singer Sebastian is a singer an incredible singer he was irreplaceable and still is to this day Sebastian forever
Exactly!!!
Listen to H.E.A.T II and listen to a modern day rock star, Erik Gronwall
100%!
The aggression, rage, and ego that made Sebastian impossible to work with is what made him an amazing metal frontman.
And why he got kicked out of Skid Row. It's time the appropriate vocalist who is HOT fronts them FINALLY.
It’s nice that Erik can karaoke songs that were written and created by a legend.
@shawnwakattu28 Sebastian replaces the first vocalist, he didn't write or create anything big on skid row, he just re-recorded what the band had already done
@@shawnwakattu28 Written and created by legends you mean, because Dave and Rachel wrote those songs....ALL of them! Sebastian wrote nothing, so Erik can sing them because the guys who wrote them are in the band with him.
@@shellybean9 yes, they wrote those songs but also completely disregarded Sebastian's input in those songs because he was too young at the time (took advantage of him). all the passionate high notes and long tunes were inputs from Sebastian. He made those songs from good to excellent. If Dave and Rachel were so good why are they finding a singer that sounds just like Sebastian?
Eric can sing. Sebastian brings the energy and is the rockstar.
You really missing it,Eric have more energy than Sebastian ever had.He has taken Skid Row to another level thats the fact.A true rockstar.
id say the other way around, i mean its regrettable how it went down with the agression and stuff but omg rock god hell yeah that was ppl like axl rose and sebastian bach etc@@matshagstrom1869
@@matshagstrom1869
What???😂
@matshagstrom1869 LOL are you nuts? Sebastian shows more energy NOW than Eric, let alone in the 80s/90s.
I saw Sebastian for the first time around 89'. He was an absolute beast vocally & his stage presence was unmatched. I saw a ton of bands from that era in their prime & Sebastians performance still stands out.
Sebastian Bach is hands down one of the best front men EVER!!!! With his talent, charisma and energy he is definitely in a league all his own. Erik is good but there is no comparing the two.
Sebastian voice is so powerful..
Sebastián can't sing like that no more the band can't get along with him so Erick is perfect replacement
Axl is the best frontman ever, axl owns the stage. watch them perform together a few times and seb was just in the background which i found insane. Axl just killed it.
@@lukaCOOKIE lol Axl never could hold a candle to Bach !! Axl was attitude but not close to Sebastian’s level
one of the best ever? 😅
I just saw Skid Row 2 days ago. The were one of my absolute favorites when they first came out! I saw them open for Bob Jovi 9 times in one year!!! I LOVE Sebastian and DID NOT want it like Eric, but he nailed it! Loved him!! My test is “In a Darkened Room”…. And he passed it with flying colors! As far as the energy, it’s the crowd not the band. I was seeing original Skid Row in my 20s! At this last show Rachel asked the crowd their age… who’s in their 20’s, 30’s, over 40. Well the vast majority was over 40…..I’m old enough to be Eric’s mother!!! I still love these shows and I’m on my feet singing along, but nothing like the crazy jumping around of 35 years ago!! Sebastian CAN NOT be replaced, and I’ve seen skid Row with 4 other lead singers. I liked ZP but the others were not at all a good fit. Eric is the real deal and I think is shows in the live performance and their new album. I think he could really revitalize the band.
I'm team Sebastian all the way! Although I do have mad respect for Eric
Ditto
I'm always gonna go with Bach. Love him despite his craziness.
I’m 39, but I really missed this era! My older cousin got me into it! And thankfully I got to see video! I wish I could have been at these concerts!! Amazing!! Just love Sebastian! Hair!! And presence!!
Erik was recovering from leukemia one year before jumping on tour with SR. And his immune system from the treatment of the disease would take affect on him so with that being said it says alot about Erik good dude.
Sebastian is really good but I prefer Erik. Erik is recovery from cancer and was still able to rock it so give him credit. I mean with high energy with Bach was also high drama disrespect and attitude that started to drag em down.
Imagine Skid Row had emerged earlier in the 80s. Sebastian’s voice would’ve kicked so much butt through the entire decade. He is electricity. He owns every second. I like Eric’s tone, but the rawness, the danger, is missing
The danger, you nailed the feeling. That was transgression! They were being naughty.
It doesn't matter who Skid Row hires as a new singer, without Bach, they sound just like a Skid Row tribute band. Bach's voice is unique and so was Skid Row during its "Bach years"... Awesome channel btw...
I think...skid Row is sebastian bach...cause he is power of skid Row
New guy is 100 times better and a better human
@@bluejay66 he is the soul of skid row
I agree totally with this comment.
Erik when he performs tries to get too much crowd participation all of the time rather than just singing. He's always saying " yeah" and "come on everybody clap your hands" type thing like you'd see in a cover band so it kind of comes off that way or like he's doing Skid Row karaoke.
Bach in his youthful prime was up there with Axl Rose for great frontmen. I could see him being difficult to deal with though on the road as middle aged adults.
A little of his personality goes a long way so I understand why they never reformed the original lineup even if it would have meant a bigger payday.
That said I'd definitely pay to see them reunited with Bach but just feel kind of meh about it with Gronwall despite being a good singer.
It seems like the guys are happy with him though so I'm glad for them. But they've had so many singers now though it's getting into Spinal Tap esque joke territory.
Bach may be a douche but there isn't a relevant skid row without him
Sebastian is a star, one in a million. Eric is just another singer, a really good one tho. Sebastians energy is out of this world.
Erik is far from just another singer. He's the best in the business at this moment. Listen to his other covers. Many of them SURPASS the original. Headless Cross is a great example.
Sebastian is 55 now I just seen the guy and he can still hit these notes it's unbelievable that after 35 years the guy still kills it
He's not just another singer bud come on he wears just a half size smaller than sebastion
The new guy does a respectable job, but there is only one Sebastian Bach.
Totally agree with you there Bud 👍
Agreed. I saw Skid Row with Warrant, Quiet Riot and Kip Winger a month or so ago. He's getting more confident and comfortable and he sounds great live, but like Ken said the energy isn't the same. I did preorder the new album though so we'll see how it goes.
Agreed
In live shows Sebastian used to be pitchy, since Erik is really precise vocally… Of course Sebastian was the heart of Skid Row and his records are legend.
I couldn't agree more!!
I‘ve seen Eric yesterday (no pun intended!)in Switzerland. And I‘ve seen Sebastian in 1991 and 1996 or 1997. i‘m a HUGE Seb fan!! BUT: Eric has absolutely KILLED yesterday night! Forget these clips! Watch him NOW! He has evolved! Believe me! He had it ALL! He was as aggressive and charming alternately! It was PERFECT! The raw energy was mind blowing! I‘m sure he had to find his role… and god he did! Forget about him „just being likeable“. He was dangerous as f*^%! He was raw, aggressive and just aaaaawesome! The whole band was. There was nothing about club atmosphere. He performed full stadion rockstar-ish! It will take nothing away of what Sebastian has achieved nor of what he is and proofs until today! Both are great. Seb invented it - but Eric honors it in the best thinkable way! It’s almost like a time machine! Go see Skid Row with Eric he and the band are killin‘ it! I‘m floored! Thank Sebastian and Skid Row for what they’ve created and Eric for letting us relive the experience! Awesome! 👏🏻
Eric might be good but skid row will never be skid row without Sebastian just like journey will never be journey without Steve Perry that’s the bottom line
@@asmodayification All that matters is that they are still filling the seats even without the original singers. Why? because people still love the music......
Erik is more technical, clean and in his comfort zone. Much more tuned.
Sebastian was rougher but more heartfelt and genuine. And he was pushing his vocal cords beyond their limit.
I love Erik as the great singer he is. Sebatian was an energic stage animal and definitely THE Skid Row singer
Evolution of technology
Vs Pure Talent
It's depends on the vibe
I came to Skid's concert when late John Preston Solinger was there to fill the vocal. He was great at doing the heavier stuff of Skid Row like Demolition Man and the rest of it. But Erik Groenwall is the one that resembles Sebastian Bach the closest.
Let’s just appreciate strengths of each. Nobody has to be the WINNER
In his prime, Sebastian Bach was vocally elite and in my opinion he could have fronted pretty much any other popular rock band in the 80's and still would have crushed it. The new guy is putting in the work, admirably, but he is not in the same realm as prime Sebastian Bach. That doesn't mean he's a bad singer or weak performer, it's just reality.
I think Erik plays safe whereas Sebastian pours his heart out. He’s all feelings and raw energy. Very unique. Sebastian is a legend.
Sébastien is the classic OG 🤍🤘🏼🎶 erik is a super talented & the best new 👨🎤 singer in my opinion #skidrow has had & keepn the new music alive in the new classic music 🎶 🎵 kinda way ! gotta give both love respect and 🤍🤘🏼🙌🏽✨️✨️✨️✨️✨️
🎶🎵🎶🎵🎵😊🎵☺️
@Nicole Foreman have ya heard Dino Julisic sing, I believe he's a Serbian Dude, he is a white snake and dead daiseys fill in vocalist, Dino and Erik are both kik ass
For as long as Erik has been with skid row and singing Sebastiáns songs I believe as far as vocals Erik's fukin Awesome and more versatile, but I love Sebastián but like us all he is getting old, happy new years
Erik seems to sing safe to some because he has a tremendous voice and sings without any effort.
Did you hear Painkiller by Erik? Mind blowing!
You really do fantastic things! Being from Sweden, I can tell you that Erik did a talk on Swedish radio last week. We have this in the summers. A well known person gets to talk for 90 minutes, mixed with the persons favorite music. Therefor, I just wanted to add that Erik got the question to join the band almost immediately after his final treatment for the blood cancer. He had only a month to get in shape for his first shows with the band. The first days of preparing, he could barely sing through one song without beeing totally exhausted. I don't know from what time the clips you use are from, but maybe what I say here can shed some light on your nice comparison. However, this is not a critique. I only wanted to share this with you. Thanks a lot!
I'm happy to see a few people explaining that Erik was still recovering from Leukemia treatment and was probably needing to pace himself . I know even this past fall Skid Row postponed some of their tour to allow him more time to recover as touring was taking a toll on his health and he recently stepped away from the band to prioritize his health in a way he could not do in a touring band.
I love Baz but also think Erik had done an amazing job as a singer with Skid Row and the album he did with them is great.
The biggest variable here is the fact that Sebastian in those clips is relying solely on floor monitors. In-ear monitors weren't even really a thing back then. I'm quite certain that Erik is running in-ears. That makes a HUGE difference. As a singer, I can tell you that the ease with which you can hear yourself makes ALL the difference.
Erik was fiddling with his in-ear monitors throughout the gig in Cardiff last night, so that's definitely the case.
That was one of my thoughts also James, I was surprised that Ken didn't point out that aspect.
I was about to make the same comment. IEM's are a complete game-changer for a singer. if Seb had them back in the day he would have been on point a lot more, for sure.
Not to mention the soundguy does not worry about feedback if everyone does IEMs onstage. Or at least you do not need to crank up vocals in the monitor mix in the wedges, which before made it prone to feedback. Rock is not easy to mix onstage especially with those half-stacks and sidefills. And once the singer asks for more vocals in the mix, and cannot give it, the tendency is to be a lot throatier.
But then, IEM can change someone's style of singing.
I was a frontman during my band days, and that usually the case. We use monitor speakers that most of the time was overcome by audience noise and overall instrument’s ampli.
I think the young fella put a little hope and life back into that band. Good on both of them.
It should be known Erik Grönwall did this only 6 months after his bone marrow transplant. 6 months ago (he himself said) "I didnt even have the strength to reach for a glass of water next to my hospital bed". He is still recovering during these performances. He will only get better and more energy is expected to follow.
Thank you for saying this, I was hoping someone had. a year later and he is still trying to get his health back and left Skid Row because the rigors of touring was taking too big of a toll on his health. I love Baz but I think Eric is great too.
@@ld0991 Yup, i love them both. Its a hard task to follow a rockstar with unique attitude in their singing and style. Even harder to build your own brand. Tough business. :)
I remember exactly where I was on my college campus when I heard the Skid Row for the first time, I immediately bought the CD,Bas was and still is a mind blowing showman and singer, his passion is incredible, his love for rock is incredible. His voice brings tears to my eyes, as he is part of the soundtrack of the best days of my life 🎸 I just can’t even allow myself to go there for comparison. Erik can sing, and he is good, but Bas is King 🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸
Yes! I remember when I was a teenager in the school, when skid played in all radios.i remember when I was sad I listened wasted time in a little old radio. It's was a relief and pleasure too.
I was broke, I had not tv, disc player, but I was happy.
Good times I lived. I will never forget. Thanks to Sebastian and skid Row.they got me happy and brought me hope whose life was very poor.fortunatelly full of happy ness.
Erik is very good and owns the notes. He's a great singer.
But Sebastian is the showman, rockstar himself. He dominates the stage, the audience, centralizes all attention.
I disagree, when you say that , you have to considerate that Eric just come out of being sick. Look at the concerts with his former band HEAT , he's everibit of a showman as bach
It’s true- even now, when you watch current videos of Sebastian.. he’s still getting all the love and positive comments!
Very well said
Remember that Erik had the benefit of hearing/learning a part that Sebastian did without any point of reference, that's a big difference
As @Luis Citera-miller says! I've seen Erik with HEAT 20+ times and he sure dominates the stage and audience as well as Baz did in his prime. I just think he needs some more time to get comfortable with the guys in Skid. Check out HEAT live @ Sweden Rock Fest if you need an adrenaline fix :)
This is a contest between two singers at two different times. Ken you did well to do this, at least you made it a fair game. You also revealed what heavy metal is about, it is not only about recording studios it is mainly about performing live, and clearly there is one winner on this.
Sebastian wins hands down.
Sebastian is unbelievable, amazing. Excelent voice, amazing singer, a rockstar.
Just watched the whole video, great stuff. Just to take in consideration, the first videos of Erik is one of his first shows in over two years after beating cancer. There are interviews where he speaks about how the shorter set list was better for him to get his energy back. I also think that the band would be in mismatch if Erik went all over the place, the other guys are more chill today then before. If you check his stage presence in his old band HEAT you will see a different Erik. They both have their own personalities and both are great. Im really excited for Skidrow, for Erik and the new album. Wishing Erik all the best, he deserves it 🤘👏
Yes! Saw Erik with HEAT on The Monsters of Rock Cruise and their high energy show quickly became a fan favorite. Erik is very talented
@ajz you nailed it with this comment! Erik is a great leading man too, but he can’t run all over the place in Skid Row if the other band mates are older and too burned out to show any energy themselves.
The only thing is if he gets the attention like Sebastian did which he won't but they will probably kick him out too just like they did Sebastian because they were so jealous of him. All the success he brought to them they should be thanking Sebastian !!
@@tinawillits8223 Yeah, it had nothing to do with raging, uncontrollable alcoholism or anything *smfh*
Erik had been dealing with cancer and had to leave the band bc he said it wasn't fair to them that he couldn't give them his all and it was bad for his health.
To me it’s kinda like David Lee Roth vs. Sammy Hagar. Hagar is clearly the better vocalist but David was your prototypical, legendary frontman ROCK STAR! Great analysis thanks for doing it!
Agreed!
Hagar was so much better than David.
except both sound high and thin like hagar
@@igorferrer949 hagar was a pretty consistent singer but roth was more interesting...at least before he voice gave out
You can’t compare David and Sammy is two different bands. With Sammy was pop rock
Hands down, Sebastian Bach gets my vote continuously! Peace out, everyone!👏😎
Sebastián Bach was and is Skid Row... Simple! No matter who is the new Vocalist, Now it's just a tribute dedicated to Sebastian Bach! A truly legend!!
Erik has a great voice, no doubt. And if this was some new on the scene band, I’d think he was pretty awesome. However, watching him sing the songs I first loved because of Sebastian is kinda like watching your ex make out with their new flame. 😜
Nobody can touch Sebastian’s vocals and he will always be the lead singer of the Skidrow that I know and love.
Perfectly said! I feel like you do.
Totally agree with you. It was a different time and the music was so much better. It had passion, energy, meaning, and just plain F@$k me vibe. Even going clubbing back then was a lot better. In my opinion Sebastian is Skid Row and always will be. Brings back a lot of memories watching these old video's, you don't get that from today's music. Eric is an amazing singer and I think he'd be more energetic if he was playing in a band with others his age. I gotta vote for Sebastian on this one.
That reminds me of Journey. The replacements are decent singers, but none of them are Steve Perry.
@@MS-ns2pj Steve wasn't the original singer either, Greg Rollie ( six albums with Greg).
And watching Sebastian now ruin the songs I loved because of him is sad. Hearing Erik do them justice again takes me back to when I first heard these songs. I am so glad Skid Row now has Erik because with Bach I just have my memories, with Erik Skid Row is back and I not only have memories, but I can enjoy someone singing them the way they were intended to be sung again.
Sebastian just puts passion into his singing that can't be taught it's like he's feeling his words through singing
Loved Sebastians voice. And the new singer is a great replacement,but it's hard to follow up from a Rock God.
Sebastian always left the stage exhausted and knowing he left it all out there. I think I saw the original line up 10 times. Never ever, ever a bad show. Maybe it was always perfect but he always gave us everything.
SB has one of the best rock voices. Intense! Range, tone, vibrato, etc. Hard, gritty, and just plain hard. It was an era that can’t be repeated!! Energy, lyrics, badass written songs and passion. That said, Erik is fantastic! His voice is excellent!-but of course, for me, it will always be the original-Sebastian Bach. He’s just🔥. Nostalgia. ❤ Being 51 now, SR is one of my fave bands from that time. (BTW Ken-you make me laugh! lol 🙌)
Sebastian owns those songs!!!! When Sebastian Bach sings it goes through every vein in my body. Bar-none, no one can come close to that!
Sebastian has such a beautiful sound and soul to it. Sebastian always took chances with his vocals.
No matter who the new singer is... Sebastian will always be the best! No comparison to him. Sebastian will always be the heart and soul of Skid Row
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Hands down, Sebastian. He would still kill it today!
I took two vocal lessons from baz in the summer of 97. His peak was never caught on film but I have him riffing in his Living room with a healed voice. Amazing. Having said that Erik is great.
That is really interesting.
Erik's pitch is tight, but SB's vibrato is more expressive....in particular on "O" (....life to GOoOOoO). Erik tends to utilize vibrato on the "E" lyrics. The emotional conveyance of this song originally achieved by SB is what makes it so special IMO...and without that Erik's rendition would be of lesser value. Also...SB's signature cry has such distinctive texture....it's like he's able to produce multiple chords simultaneously....what is going on?
As a serious Sebastian fan I didn't want to like Erik. I could never see myself listening to anyone else singing Skid Row songs. I have seen Sebastian on his own and I still am a huge fan!! After seeing Erik live I have become a full convert!! This kid is effing amazing!! I haven't enjoyed a singer this much in forever!! I will see them every chance I can now. My husband, who liked Skid Row but not as much as I did back in the day, is now a full fledged fan thanks to Erik!!
I think it’s great they are continuing the band but they will never be the true skid row without Sebastian. I am forever a true Sebastian Bach fan!!
No one can replace and original. For example when AC/DC replaced Bon with Brian after his death, they were never the same but Brian had to sing all of Bon’s songs at every concert just as Erik has to sing Sebastians songs. But it does not matter if he sounds different or has a different energy, what matters is that he brings his own flare and energy. Erik is doing Erik and thats what matters.
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Sebastian Bach is the Ace of Skidrow,his voice and style put Skidrow on the Map. Touring plays a uge toll on all band mates especially the Lead Singer.A guitar player can change the strings or switch guitars,a drummer can replace the drum sticks or drums,But the singers voice box,lungs ect need good rest and recovery. 🙂❤️
I saw Eric with Skid Row in a small club in Aschaffenburg Germany. I was blown away from this guy. I never thought that anybody evem come close to Sebastians early performances. He was! Even in a small club.
Personally, i think there is something unique about Sebastian's voice, so i d go with Bach
Sebastian just has that "it" factor... charisma. You're either born with it or you're not, plus he was freaking beautiful.
BINGO ❤
Agree 💯%. Sebastian's voice is amazing and I really believe he was THE MOST gorgeous, beautiful man in music. Period
Oh, Sista, you couldn't be more right. The voice, the looks, his absolute presence was just other wordly.
I agree 100% Sebastian was gorgeous which reminds of Poison lead singer Brett Michael, Bon Jovi lead singer John but Sebastian had that bad boy image and the hair omg The hair he was just gorgeous plain and simple!!
I'm a drummer of over 25yrs,,and emotions and feel is alot of my playing with dynamics....just like what your watching,,,,feel and emotions like he's telling a story to you
After I watched Sebastian singing Wasted Time live at Rock n Rio I only have one thing to say about this man and his voice, absolutely amazing.
You're so lucky! I always think that Sebastian's vocal quality was shown at its best in Wasted Time. That song is so hard to sing. He totally owned it.
Sebastian is both Singer and Rockstar...No question about...
Stumbled on this clip, stemming from a FB clip of Erik's rendition of "I will always love you" and I must say, it is refreshing to hear a down to earth, intellectual comparison between the qualities of both Sabastian and Erik.
It was a pleasure listening to your review.
Much respect 👊
I had to go watch a video of Sebastian performing I Remember You in 2022 after you mentioned the energy difference between Sebastian and Erik. I have to say Sebastian still has more energy performing the song. That surprised me since Sebastian has been performing the song for over 30 years. Sebastian connects with the song and the feeling comes through. Erik sings the song really well, but he does not have as much feeling or it doesn't come through in his performance. Erik is singing closer to the album version while Sebastian is improvising.
Sebastian is a legend! No one will ever be like him!
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Thats right, and Eric is a singer ho will bring that passion to the people to day.
Here's how I see it.... Erik had to come in and duplicate an iconic voice. He does it, and he does it so well. I am Sebastian's age, so "I Remember You (Sebastian)", and neither of us are who we were in the 80's. I saw Winger/Warrant/Skid Row last year (2022) in Dayton, OH where I live. I was so impressed with Erik, he sounded soooo good. So much so, that I went back and saw Skid Row again this year. Erik is a professional, lots of energy and no sign of intoxication. The new album is excellent (that's right, new). Personally, I think "Time Bomb" should be on all the rock stations that keep playing the same music year after year.
Of course I love Sebastian's (young) voice, but he doesn't have it anymore. New music is bringing in young listeners and keeping Rachel, Snake, and the band motivated. I think with Erik, they still have lots of new music ahead. If Sebastian wasn't running around trashing Erik like he is, maybe I would feel differently. Go see Skid Row if you get the opportunity. They still sound awesome....thanks to Erik.
Sebastian just has... it ❤️👌 the energy , presence the whole package . Erik is super talented but it's not the same vibe .
Great video! But let’s be real on a few of these comparisons:
- Sebastian in his early 20s vs Erik mid 30s. This 15 year age difference has a huge impact on vocal strength and stamina. Yet Erik still sounds stronger. Baz is more emotion, but extremely pitchy and all over the place at times.
- Sebastian singing as the original lead singer vs Erik filling shoes. Who do you think would have more passion? This comes across in the energy of not just Baz, but the entire band.
- Sebastian singing in front of 10,000+ fans vs Erik singing in front of a couple thousand. The band feeds off the energy of the crowd. Baz has the advantage. And you wonder why it sounds ‘clubby’? You’re affected by what you see - a bigger crowd, better lights, younger band members.
- Sebastian singing with other bandmates his age (early 20s) vs Erik singing with guys hovering around 60 (old enough to be his father and uncles). Don’t you think this also plays an impact on Erik’s performance vs Baz’s?
One final comparison: Sebastian’s height, long hair, shirtless body and pretty boy looks also give him an advantage as this may be considered the ideal “rockstar” look. This is an image comparison that has nothing to do with their vocal abilities.
Sebastian will always the “the singer” of Skid Row, but Erik is doing a fine job filling in his shoes. In fact, I can’t imagine anyone doing it better. Erik, IMO, is a better fit with his first band, HEAT. As awesome as Skid Row’s first 2 album were, I prefer HEAT’s albums with Erik. As a whole, the songwriting, performances, and productions are all superior in my opinion.
I see your point of their age gap. In Sebastian’s mid 30 was his Broadway era. I saw his Jesus Christ Superstar 3 times and his pitching was so much better than his 20’s. So, what I wanna point out is, this benefits and de benefits both ways.
Erik doesn’t have the Rockstar power to shake the house in 30’s compared to Baz in 20’s. Also Baz in 20’s didn’t have good pitching skills compared to Erik in 30’s.
Yeah, I mean I thought this was a VOCAL showdown, but Ken definitely comments outside of those parameters. Even so, *I'm* doing the vocal showdown in my head without additional comments on passion, looks, and the size of the crowd, and it's just no comparison. Bach's vocal warmth, vibrato, attack, etc. is just superior singing. I could care less about pitch between the two, because it's the overall vocal PERFORMANCE that really matters, and Bach has it in spades.
The new guy in HEAT is the old guy in HEAT before Eric. Great band there too.
Love your treatment of a difficult comparison. Thing is, singing ‘YOUTH gone wild' to an arena full of 40-somethings will never have the energy of singing it to 20-somethings. Skid Row was about a life stage. Erik doesn’t fall short. His audience does. We are old and tired.
I saw sebastian live not too long ago and his voice was as good as ever...one of the best vocalist I have ever seen live
😅 You must be kidding.
AWESOME video. Thank you Ken. Eric is good but Sabastian is a monster. A rockstar. And yes, I was one that requested this video. This was epic.
Great video Ken
Sebastian is on top 5 rock vocalists of all time . Not many can come close to his overall power and character in his voice and some people are just born with a more pleasant voice to listen to as well . Btw have you done anything on Corey from
Living colour . I just saw them live and omg
I had no idea how good he was . Huge range and power and amazing tone and charisma
I think one aspect has been overlooked. As far as energy, a singer feels the crowds energy and get an extra boost by a crazy crowd. Sebastian got to feel his crowds energy and that fired him up even more. Sebastian's crowd was teens and 20 something's full of piss and beer. Erik is singing to the same crowd 30 years later. So he is singing to a crowd of 50 somethings that just had dinner before the show and wore sensible shoes. Total different energy
I'd like to disagree with that statement. Sure, there probably werent that much old people in the 80's listening to metal, as there are these days. But you can bet your ass off that this music is not just for youth of that era. I was 5 years old when Sebastian left Skid Row, and I'd bang my head off in a concert.
I think you underestimate the power of music to transport us back to our youth. I was 18 in 1983. I lived through the best of rock/metal and virtually ALL we did was wrapped around music. I don’t have the time or resources (tickets are insane today) to see as many shows these days, but when I do I’d match my energy against that of a hoard of booger-eaters any day. My shoes got nothin’ to do with it. 🤘😎🤘
I'm 49 and grew up listening and quite frankly falling in love with Sebastian Bach. He was undeniably great, Erik is equally great and I can assure you, I won't have just had my dinner before I go see them on Monday, and I will be up front dancing my arse off 🤘
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That’s such a genius and true observation/comment! 👏🏻 I‘ve seen him and the band last Saturday and I couldn’t believe how perfect it was. I had seen RUclips videos beforehand and as good Erik sings in all of them… what happened here last Saturday night was a completely different animal. And when I read your comment it all makes sense: The crowd here was younger than the usual Skid Row crowd nowadays. That’s because it was a Festival. Skid Row were Headliners but the audience was mostly just young rock enthusiasts that came out for the whole festival. The mood was already heated up when Skid Row entered the stage… but man they blew the roof off! Awesome, awesome, awesome! The audience went nuts and the band just mirrored and further pushed it. That I could experience this again - after having seen Skid Row with Sebastian Bach at their peak - I won‘t forget last weekend! Thanks to the crowd who enabled the band and Erik to push it over all limits! 🙏🏻
Eric is the best vocalist Skid Row could meet since Sebastian Bach was fired from the band. He really can sing , he seems happy singing in the band , he has many positive traits as a singer , but it was given him a hard job : follow the footprints of a legend and sing to an older audience. I wish good luck to him and the band, I liked some few of their new songs : I didn't listen to the band songs since Sebastian left. Sadly , I miss Sebastian terribly , he was the soul and passion of Skid Row and no one can replace him. Thanks for sharing, Ken !
hes really good live too he interacts with the crowd and i got to fist bump him
I appreciate that you sifted through and found high quality audio, compared old Bach to modern footage of the new singer, and used AI to clean it up. You set the standard by doing that.
2 things that I have been thinking about since I first heard Erik. 1. There is a huge difference between what it takes to CREATE these huge vocal parts for massive hit songs... vs. what it takes to come back later and essentially cover them.. (same with Arnel Pineda and Journey). So you have to give props (which you certainly did) to the creators... they started with NOTHING and created this magic. And 2. Erik is KILLING it! He is filling HUGE shoes, and in my opinion, this is the first time Skid Row has sounded like Skid Row since Bas left. Erik is one extremely talented dude (like Arnel Pineda), and absolutely brings it. One of the possibilities in the "club like" energy that Erik is experiencing, is that most Skid fans are my age (I am 47). A little older crowd is obviously not going to have the energy that you are seeing from the crowds in the videos from 30 years ago.. I know I don't still have the same energy as I did when I was 17!!! LOL. Great video Ken... I enjoyed it and appreciate the time you invested.
Sebastian Bach will always be the voice of Skid Row. Every song he's ever recorded is untouchable. So annoying to hear another singer sing what Sebastian has ever sung from the start.
I think original singer Matt Fallon may have been a little ticked off to hear Sebastian singing the songs he originally recorded? If you hear the original I Remember You though Sebastian was the one who put his bit of oomph into it, but wasn't the first to sing it though.
Hey man, I enjoyed your take on these 2 men. The comments don’t give you the props you deserve for putting up this comparison.
Having put aside my ass kissing.
I think Gronwall is performing within parameters set for by the band. And he’s doing a great job.
However, Sebastian is on a stratosphere of his own. I saw Skid Row in Providence RI back in 1995 and Sebastian was wild. Then again I saw the band in Pensacola Fl. In 2011. (Not Gronwall) These were 2 different shows and experiences altogether.
I think you were fair and gave both singers fair criticism.
This video reminded me of best heavyweights debates. Different eras, different everything.
All in all, Gronwall held his own and is living the dream. But Sebastian Bach is and will always be Skid Row.
They are both great singers but different energy. With Sebastian it was all new and you can feel that energy. He owned that stage!
they are both awesome in their own way, I'm so happy for Erik - from a Skid Row fan he became the lead singer of the band, that is beyond cool, I think he might be the first singer after Sebastian to make Skid Row relevant again - (not to offend anyone) , their new songs sound sooo cool. Love them both:)
I don’t think the energy of a young band and young crowd can be compared to an older band with an older crowd! Yes we are still passionate about our music in our 50s but it’s still different.
Sebastian is a crazy animal, still is. He never grew up. 😆 He can still sing amazing too! Which says something for his range and age after all these years.
Having said all of that. I absolutely love Erik! His vocal range and energy are fantastic and maybe not really the best fit for an older band. I saw him on MORC in H.E.A.T. and he was unbelievable, crowd surfed and ended up in one of the hot tubs across the top deck Swinging from the chandeliers practically so that’s why I feel the comparison isn’t accurate. Plus, he’s still getting stronger after recovering from cancer. 🤘🏻
When Sebastian sings, I truly feel it..Even when Erik sings it's great but I just don't feel it.
It's like Sebastian is actually thinking about someone, and when Erik sings it's like he's only thinking about his pitch. I absolutely love Eric Clapton. He's awesome. plays perfect and is a great singer, but I don't feel it. I feel it when JJ Cale does the songs he wrote, and although Eric Clapton had huge hits and is well known for them. I prefer JJ Cale on those tunes because I actually feel it. Does that make any sense Ken? Do you feel it more when Sebastian sings?
Totally agree. When Erik sings it's just a really good sound (music, voice). When Sebastian sings - it's a story that get under my skin
I read this comment before I heard the clips and I couldn't agree more. There's emotion in Sebastian's delivery. Erik's is more - robotic and perfunctory - for the lack of a better description. I think this is also the case with Arnel Pineda replacing Steve Perry as Journey's lead singer. It's the emotion the original singers convey that it's difficult for a replacement singer to replicate.
@@naddysatary1935 Live?? No way. Maybe on the albums, sure.
@blues. Spot on!
I love Eric Clapton also. He's a great guitarist.
I was fortunate enough to see skid row with Erik leading in May of this year and they rocked the house he’s brought new energy to the band and was a great frontman! I can’t wait to see them again next year bought tickets today ❤️
Not Skid Row without Sebastian
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Hands down!!! Sebastian Bach was the best Skid Row frontman and it didn’t hurt that he was so beautiful!! 🤪
As a singer in my hard rock band, I agree with a lot of things that you have said and I feel it’s spot on. My opinion is as much as Erik is a great singer with a lot of range, he doesn’t have the same charisma, energy and intensity that I feel is needed in this genre. I have said this before too about the other SR members now, they lack energy and it kinda feels like they are just going through the motions. As much as it’s great to hit all the notes and be spot on in your pitch I feel intensity, passion and are so important particularly in this genre and also with Sebastian I believed every word as if he wrote the song himself so for me Sebastian was the full package.
It's a different world and it's very clear that this type of rock isn't dominated or supported by current radio, so it's a given that how Erik comes across is more business like. I enjoyed the band when I saw them a few months ago.
This wasn't really the best live version if Sebastion doing this song. However, Eric is a great singer, but as you said Seb is the total package. I also respectfully disagree as a fan lol, I think Seb is a better technical singer. Both parties are obviously sti doing it because they love it, because if it was for us fans...or even money, they would reunite with Seb. My opinion. Hey, I hope your band goes really far!!! Then i can say I commented on your response. 🤣🖤
I suggest you check out some live clips of Erik with his former and H.E.A.T. You'll see his true stage persona there. Such a great frontman. It's almost like Ken said, he doesn't have "permission" to go crazy on stage as he's known for with H.E.A.T.
This has been awesome and I enjoyed it very much! Great job and thank you for your hard work. As a singer and long time lover of Rock I have a few thoughts to share that I was processing as I watched your video. The comparison is really not only vocals. That should also be a lesson to all of us. It’s not just the technical part of singing but it’s also the ability to draw emotion from the crowd. The original Skid Row’s audience were young just like the band. It was new, innovative and an expression of that particular generation. You can’t reproduce that. The audience is still the same folks but all quite senior now. They don’t have the energy either. The dynamic with the new Skid Row is a young guy playing to the old folks. The songs that they loved. It’s not the same. It’s not all about vocals. It’s now a business. Let’s try to provide this older audience a glimpse of the past with a high quality young singer. Erik is amazing. He should be fronting his own band with his own sound. Skid Row without Sebastian is just the same as a tribute band. I don’t know what Sebastian did yet. I’ll look into it but as a professional vocalist he earned his space and delivered what we were all looking for. He expressed the unsettled energy that we were all feeling as young people. Great memories for me! Thanks again. It was a place in time. That’s all.
Sebastian Bach is the greatest hard rock singer ofall time. His voice is almost perfect on every Skid album. I Remember You is the best vocal performance ever recorded, in my opinion. Nothing taken away from Erik. It's just that Bach's recordings are masterpieces. To speak more to your comments, I was just telling my daughter the other day that the reason Bach is such a legend is that he made the MOST difficult decision when singing, almost ALWAYS. Yes, live sometimes that won't translate, but it is like playing Eddie or Steve Vai twenty years later after the innovation and critiquing. I agree those risks are what made him special.
Sebastian was a complete rockstar! Their songs are the most memorable songs of my youth!
I never listened to Skidrow til this year. I went with the hubby to a concert last month and was blown away by Erik. Comparing the 2 I can hear the intense passion more in younger Sebastian’s voice & he was a real hottie. I have more respect for Erik. No one can ever replace the original singer in a band but Erik comes close. Erik will take Skidrow to new places. He is extremely down to earth & I can’t wait to see more from this band. Definitely became a fan last month. Erik practically saw his future pass before his eye going thru leukemia but came out a better man for it. He rocked that stage & not knowing what to expect until the concert started, I feel it was the best concert I have ever gone to.
Sebastian is the complete package and Erik is a great singer.
You can't compare..one made the Hits....the other copies them...Back was a monster in his prime...Erik is great but don't forget it was Bach who made them stadium worthy.
We got different generations, different lifestyles, behavior and experiences. That's hard to compare. Sebastian is Sebastian, no matter what. Unique! ❤
No one will ever hold a candle to Sebastian Bach.
Rob Halford just said for me to hold his beer while he proves you wrong lol
Sebastian is my favorite hard rock singer and frontman of all time. He is really irreplaceable in some ways. But..... Erik is killing it as a replacement and will likely only get better as time goes on. Honestly didn't care for the other singers as replacements but Erik has me looking forward to hearing new Skid Row songs and seeing them live again. Great video as always, Ken.
Eric really needs to stop doing the weird chicken neck thing idk if he's trying to head bang or what but it looks goofy ..as for singing..it's nothing more then a karaoke sound to me ..... Sebastian stomps him in every aspect
Sebastian is not just kind of hard rock singer, he is the heavy metal vocalist.
@@tinawillits8223 you obviously didn't listen to one second of Ken's assessment. Bas can't carry Erik's jock. Bachs voice started heading for the door in the 90's. Look at some of the other video recordings Erik has done. He can sing things Bas never could. Take off the blinders....
Solinger really grew on me but he was never a BACH imitator. Erik is definitely trying to hit the Studio Sound and is edging closer and closer with each live performance. I’ve seen Bach solo many times and each time I come away disliking him more. I cut him slack on his vocals because he isn’t 20 anymore but just his stage presence and ego (criticizing the crowd for wanting to hear Skid Row stuff over his new stuff for example) just comes off as unappreciative.
@@tinawillits8223 Well, that's his stage presence and it won't stop so there's that lol. Seb didn't sound good live a lot of the time, especially with the higher notes, but he does have the rock star presence over Erik for sure.
Great analysis of these two! Skid Row and Sebastian Bach will always be synonymous in my opinion…cannot have one without the other to be legendary.
#sebastianbach
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Bach is one of the best overall voices to me. He can’t be replaced to me
New album is a 10/10
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No question at ALL, Sebastian, his voice is so amazing & still is after 30 years 💯❤️🔥🎵🎶🙂❤️💯
I love how you gave props to Seb being a pioneer to this. Also, these guys (as you said) were touring for ages under very different circumstances we have these days. Gear has also improved. People smoke, drank and threw p1ss at these old gigs :D Great vid!
Loved this analysis, very fair. I will say that I saw Erik a few days ago in Reno, and his vocal ability has improved significantly from these earlier Skid Row clips you showed. He was great then, so you can imagine how good he was in Reno. He's gotten more comfortable, solidified his own style, and has a lot more energy and presence. It's true he does match Sebastian's voice almost 100% to the studio recordings, but I think that's what people want to hear. Trust me, he won the crowd over in a big way, getting standing ovations in mid song for the high notes that he crushed. He doesn't have the stage presence or charisma Sebastian had in his prime, but who does? He's still got plenty in his own right, and unlike Bas, isn't a pain in the ass to deal with and doesn't hurl glass bottles at innocent fans. In 2022, I'd much rather see Skid Row with Erik than the current version of Sebastian. He's resurrected this band and has come to overshadow them live. It was honestly the best live vocal performance I've seen in person in 30+ years of attending rock concerts.
Well said.
I saw Skid Row with Erik this past summer and I was totally blown away he is phenomenal a very worthy replacement BUT Bach is better early years.
I’m a singer also but I think even with his pitch issues Sebastian had it hands down. Some of his vocal choices were crazy and the star power is a thing
Erik is a great singer, I felt like Erik is in and old man Band, trying to replicate the early 90's . Being in my middle 50's, there is no comparison... skid row in the 90's was another era!!! Like comparing hair bands back then to todays music... thanks KEN... REAL awesome to go back in time...