One of my favorite cars ever made, The Hudson is a car from the '50s that will easily be recognized, due to the Hornet's, at-the-time, groundbreaking "step-down" design that gave it a lower center of gravity, enabling it, with also an improved L-head six, to win half of NASCAR's championships in the '51-'53 racing years.
I've never owned a Hudson Hornet, but I'd like to have one. Many V8's of the same era were pushed to keep up with a Hornet. They were the terrors on the stock car track. If you wanted to get really serious about stock car racing in the early '50's, you'd darn well better get a Hudson Hornet. What most of the competition saw was the Hornet's rear end....& the sound of that 308 cu. in. six with dual carbs.
Oh the sound of a six volt starter I will never forget. As a young lad I have memories of frosty mornings, flat battery and having to push start dad's old Chrysler Royal and then the long walk back to our house clad in pyjamas. Thank you whoever fitted twelve volt batteries, AC charging systems and fuel injection.
They were 5 liter flathead online sixes. They had as much as 170 HP from the factory way back then. There were mustangs with 225 HP with ohv and two more cylinders in the 80s. So impressive
Garage-kept is best, and regular driving along with proper service, Marvel Mystery additive, and premium gasoline all help keep the engine raring to go. With my '52, three pumps of the accelerator really does the trick, and then once it's started, keep the pedal down slightly to get the carburetor properly supplied with fuel until the engine warms up.
Thank you for the comment. - I am not certain what the top speed of this car would be but for the period probably around 100mph would have been typical, but I would never take one of my old classics over about 70 max even with radial tyres fitted :)
Owned a 1947 Coupe...never had to crank that hard...the trick was after you shut down give the throttle two pumps so the carb was full for the morning...am now 84 and still miss that really great car!
I agree with you and the problem is that with a mechanical fuel pump and no non return valve fitted it takes time for the slow 6 volt to get fired up - however, it makes for a sweet sounding video - thanks for the comment and by the way, I have a number of cars I really regret selling and one is my old beautiful 1978 Cadillac Seville
@@hudsoninbury I regret to share that my 17 year old head did not appreciate the great engineering and styling in the Hudson. In a race against my buddy's fathers Packard I stretched the engine bearings (that splash system of oil was a problem)...I did beat the Packard! Your 1978 Seville looks a beauty...when we bought a 1973 Grand Wagoneer we had to have it serviced. The Cadillac dealer we bought the Wagoneer from gave us a 1972 Cadillac Sedan DeVille loaner. We drove it home to our starter Ranch Style home only to find 6 inches stuck out of the garage and we could not get the door down...lots of laughs for years on that experience.
@@brianhealey5286 The Wagoneer was a wonderful vehicle and there is videos on my channel of the one I owned. - it was unique for the reason it was one of only 100 made by Jeep as factory built right hand drive. - It was simply a great car but I fell into the trap of seeking greener pastures when I sold it to ease the problem I had of too many other cars I was in love with - I had almost ten American classics at the time witch included three Cadillacs so I was foolish to even consider selling that Wagoneer but there is the story of many of us who get caught up in the fever of old car ownership
I don't know you, we have never met, never talked, never saw each other. However, when you pushed the starter button, I thought to myself "Come on, start, baby. Your owner worked 11 years on you." And when it finally started, I was really happy for you. See folks, that's coming from one car enthusiast to another.
I live in northern Ontario ,,had a few old stovebolt sixes and a few slants over the years ,,40 below fahrenheit i used to pour a little gas down the carb and hold that choke closed or stick my glove in there ,,usually worked.
I have currently 5 classic American cars and owned many more all with standard croos plys. In recent years wide white wall radials have been avaliable. The massive improvment in ability to drive car in modern traffic and road conditions is amazing - In UK two large benifits are the elimination of tracking which is highly dangerous on overcrowded highways and elimination of squealing and handling on corners especially in the wet. main benifits of crossplys are on gravel road and rough surfaces
well its stress on the engine cuz it says its a cold morning so more stress on the starter and engine my dad always uses my car when he cant get his spacecar started or its too cold to use the rapid charger my car doesnt really get driven too much so dad drives it a lot
To replace the cross plies on my 1962 Lincoln I had to go up one inch from 14 to 15 inch rims and get the biggest, highest profile radials available. That tire was used on cars like the biggest Cadillacs in maybe the 80's or 90's. That gave a circumference just about identical to the original tires! The speedometer was exactly right when I went by one of those signs on the interstate that reports your speed. Even the big old-Lincoln specialist didn't know of any other way to convert to radials.
Am I correct that the black knob under dash is a choke? Also, what is the silver knob that you're pushing with your left thumb? Trying to help a Hollywood owner who is arguing everything I say, despite the fact that YOUR TUTORIAL GOT THE CAR STARTED. Thanks so much for this video!
Horsepower was measured differently back in the 1950's. From about 1971 back, engines were rated with gross horsepower. From 1972 on, engines were measured with NET horsepower. Meaning all off the power robbing accesories are attached prior to measuring, such as the power steering pump, water pump, alternator, etc. And the 80's Mustang was saddled with the primitive pollution controls of the day.
I remember these well, both the six and the eight. Sounds like the old boy needs to be primed with a shot of gasoline to get those first cylinder firing.
yes - the problem is no non return valve on fuel line to carb, slow starter action leading to slow pumping of fuel back to carb - but engine fires well as soon as fuel is available in carb - thanks for comment
It’s a stoplight prism. In a lot of the ‘50’s cars, the windshields were pretty steep, and it’s hard to see upwards if you’re the first one under a red light unless you want to crane your neck. So the light of the stoplight would reflect off the prism, and when the light reflected is green, that told you to go. :)
11 years and it hardly cranks... why didn't whoever did the restoration change it to a 6/12 battery? The starter gets 12v and the rest of the car stays on 6v. Those 308 cubic inch sixes are difficult to start on a good day, let alone a cold one. A Hornet saved my life, I was hit broadside by a 55 Chevy and I walked away. The are great cars but they need help when it comes to starting. Too many amps being drawn by the starter when using 6v. Also using a multi-grade oil will help, but you need to start it on 12!! Keep those valves adjusted or they will burn, trust me I know. Good luck with it!
Not even that. A good cleaning of the grounds on the car will have it starting fast on a bad day even with the 6 volts. The engineers weren’t idiots. If they needed 12 volts they would have used it.
There is no need to do that. You just have to use 1 gauge battery cables and a group 2 or larger battery. You can also use an 8 volt battery if you want, you just have to have the regulator recalibrated.
Yes - they really stood out in their day but as they were a small independant company, their success was stiffled by the big companies and their fate sealed when the company making their body shells was purchased by GM
Hullo sir..I a bit late for the taking, but is this normal for a 6 volt system? I ask because I do have a 48 Commodore, which is in the shop right now, Do you recommend converting it to a 12V? This can be quiet costly, no? I just hate to bring my Hudson to a car cruise 50 miles from my home and have this happen to me.
Yes by all means make the conversion to all 12 or simply get at 6/12 battery, I assume that they still make them. Starting a 308 cubic inch 6 draws too many amps, the 6v system isn't up to it. Same thing with older air cooled VW's, once they changed to 12v in 1967 the starting troubles went away.
They made them years back to solve the same trouble you are having,. Hudson wasn't the only one that used a 6V system. If you can't source a battery, perhaps a local battery shop that makes batteries could make you one. That assumes of course there is such a business near you, the battery will have 6 cells instead of 3 and you'll be using all 6 to start the car. If you convert to ALL 12v remember the radio 9f it still works is 6V and so are all the instruments, AND the light bulbs behind them, plus your heater motor is 6v and will be running at twice the speed if you run it on 12v. That's why the 6/12 battery is a great choice you only start the car on 12v the rest isn't touched! Oh and if you want brighter headlights for the 6v system it would be easy to install a headlight relay under the hood, this ensures the headlights get a full 6v and not something less. Again this is a product of the 6V system being 'lossy' and the way they ran the headlight voltage all the way to the under dash switch and then back out to the headlights! A relay will be activated when you turn the headlight switch ON and it sends the voltage from there right to the headlight harness. They won't look like Xenons but it will make a difference. I learned that trick from my late father, who always drove Hudson's. Please let me know how you get on with it all! Cheers
If I remember correctly there was the 308ci, the 262ci, and a 232ci. The smaller one was used in the Hudson Jet. The 6/12 battery would be fine for you see the link I posted above. That way at the end of cruise night you'll be able to get home! Changing over to 12v totally, is as you say, expensive and time consuming, that's why the 6/12 battery is so handy and the easiest most likely choice.
Wasn't sure since I never seen one in person. On our old Ford pick up with a straight six, that much noise meant you better check the oil. Lol Wondered if it was the valves or a weak oil pump. Figured some parts are getting hard to find.
Hi Very nice sound ! In the old time (so when these cars were new cars), was the starting so hard ? or is the baterry or engine now too tired ? As mother of children, I would be too stressed with this car!
Iana Bourbaki If properly maintenanced using correct battery cables and driven daily this car would crank like a modern car. I daily drive an all original 1953 mercury.
If you are talking as a purist, then obviously original crossply specification is favourable, but if like me a car is driven regularly in heavy , fast modern traffic conditions, then the adoption of radials makes vehicle more daily usable , safer and importantly - more enjoyable to drive. if you try the same car with crossplys and then radials, you would uunderstand - the difference is more than you would think possible and I have done that with many 40's and 50's cars
@@michaelbenardo5695 are you referring to the difference between radials and crossplys? - there is an astounding difference and if that is what you are saying, that I must point out you are wrong. I do not know where you get your knowledge from and how many cars you have driven with each type. - Many experts maintain that you should not use a radial tyre on a car that was built for crossply tyres as the steering links are not sufficiently strong to cope with the greatly increased loads upon them following the ability of the vehicle to hug the road in the way it does with these tyres. The ride is far better as a result of the tyres. Crossplys were also designed originally to cope with the conditions of gravel roads which were very common in North America. The radials do not work as well on that type of surface. I have been driving for 60 years and have driven all over the world in a massive variety of cars which includes cars fitted with both types -- thanks for the comment
@@hudsoninbury I have compared them on the same vehicle, and the biggest differences I could find is that radials do not follow those grooves that they were cutting into the pavement during the 70s and 80s to reduce hydro-plaining - bias-ply tires WOULD follow them, and radials do not try to hop over streetcar tracks the way bias-plies will. On the other hand, radials generate a lot more road noise and also cause increased impact harshness over broken pavement. I drive traditional full-size American cars and trucks, not sports cars, not compacts.
@@michaelbenardo5695 I grew up in Canada and though my driving experience is obviously been limited in North America to working spells in Canada and the US, I know enough to understand the differences in road conditions, road patterns and driving styles make the demands on a vehicles performance to be very different - I would suggest you research a little further into the subject as a debate between two people talking about their own personal views based upon their own personal conditions which are not identical will never agree - now seek out the opinions of others and see what you find - we both agree on what we each have found - thanks for your opinions 😉
The visor was key when dashes and instrument panels were painted in a Gloss (shiny) finish. And the '51 Hudson has scads of chrome right in front of the driver; -- if kept polished (as intended), it would blind him, or at least cause eye fatigue, on a sunny day.
great big dial on the left above the starter button - it reads up to 11 which is 110 miles per hour. it also has an odometer showing the miles the car has travelled = the other big dial on the right is the clock = strange perhaps but common for its day = thanks for the question.
My dream car since I was in high school in the late '50s is a '34 full fender, Ford coupe with a 308, twin H engine. I'm 75 now so I don't think I'll make it. I've enjoyed the dream all these years however. Anyone got one laying around?
your not the only one... although I'm 23 now and have wanted one since I saw the movie cars when I was little... and then found out my great grandpa used to sell Hudson's. Mabey one day I'll get one
Put on some radials and fly! Radials were used in Europe at that time, right? Hudson's were made for land speed records. Do a burn-out! DO IT! Drive it hard. Drive it every day. Push it. It's not a big 3 piece o'crap. Show America what it missed out on.!
It is a six volt system with a fuel pump driven from the engine revs rather than electric - this together with not having a non return valve fitted on the fuel line means that the engine had to be cranked in order to fill the carburettor if it had been left unused for some time - once the fuel started flowing through the vortex, all was well and it fired up - thanks for the comment
Those old 6 volt systems were like that... One could if need be boost with a 12 volt battery(like say on cold mornings)((Done it many times with my old 1950 chev grain truck)...Just make sure and check polarity as some of those old vehicles were positive ground(My Grandpas 1946 Ford was positive ground)...(((If it is negative ground(like all modern vehicles are today) then you can just boost like you normaly would any vehicle(just be carefull not to run starter to long at a time)...(If positive ground, then you can't boost off another vehicle with negative ground, you'll need to disconnect booster battery from the other vehicle(or just have a battery by itself)..(and don't turn on any lights while the 12 volt battery is connected...)))
another trick my 1950 chev truck(negitive ground thank goodness) had was if you shut it off when a warm temp,,, it was hard to start right away( it would turn over once and then hesitate before turning over more maybe)..it was better to let it cool down a while first... And when hauling grain from the combine would sometimes overheat if you let it run while unloading, then wouldn't start if you shut it off, so I always had a 12 volt booster battery along with....lol...
No, but new starting motor. My Chevrolet 1939 sounded like that, but a NOS one did go double as fast, like a newer 12 V. 6 V does not go slow by defalut, but they are much more sensitive for poor connection between different parts, and the starting motor seams to be more sensitive overall too. I have had several Volvo PV 6V and same there. If the system is flawless, the starting motor goes FAST and you cant tell "oh, hehe, 6 V yeah".
HotRagEmma Btw, my husband said cheap starters has 2 field coils, expensier has 4. My Chevy actually had 4, but 2 was broken when I bought a NOS with 4 ones. If only 2 from start, they should go more slow. I did not know there are cheap ones with two field coils.
battery is fine -battery is 6 volt - problem is that the cables in the whole system were not suitable for six volt and have since been upgraded. - Also the fuel pump is mechanical and the engine oil was cold and thick . basically everything helped to create more drag on system was designed for. The sound was evocative so I filmed it but have since corrected faults - thanks for the comment
A vehicle with a 6 volt systems are @$#!! to start. Replace the points and condensor with electronic ingintion from Petronics. The engine will start at the touch of the key and no one will ever notice the one extra wire from the distributer.
+Justin Case i don't recommend the petronix for a 6 volt system (i have had good luck with their 12 v products) - i had an awful time with the 6v petronix in my '62 porsche 356 - turns out that if you don't have very close to 6 volts in your system, the petronix won't fire - the factory was great and gave me a return (with that explanation) - the best thing to do is to keep it on a 6v trickle charge and run a sealed optima 6v battery - cheers, b
It's not an ignition problem it's the fact that the 6v starter draws so much current there's hardly anything left. You might get 2 or 3 tries on good day and ONE on a cold day. It needs to be converted to a 6/12 battery, this allows the started to get 12volts when starting, then the car runs everything else on 6v. The momentary use of 12v on the starter is harmless but the benefits are huge.
I have a 6/12 Interstate battery on my 1955 Imperial w/331 Hemi. Even after sitting for several months, 5-6 pats on the foot feed and it usually fires on the first try. It helps to have a 6-volt electric fuel pump to fill the carburetor bowls though. What good is patting the foot feed when there's no fuel in the carburetor bowls?
@@Tinsby No you don't need to. Just use the correct 1 gauge battery cables AND a group 2 or larger battery. You can't use 4 or 6 gauge cables and you CAN'T use a puny group 1 battery.
The 6 volt battery was fully charged. It was attempting however attempting to turn over an extremely large flat head engine that had only recently been rebuilt. An added negative factor was that both the plug leads as well as the ignition lead was not of the correct gauge. These were a number of issues which contributed to the slow turning over of what was also an elderly starter motor in need of rejuvenating. Finally, with all those considerations, the natural character that was manufactured into the electrical system in the early 1950s dictated that slow turning result
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🥺🥺amazing
What Are You Doing With Those Old Racing Tires?
Miyuki Hoshizora : come on start the engine
Sheriff: “Gentlemen, Start your engines!”
What a great sound. Thank you for caring for this old girl!
You mean guy right? "Doc Hudson"
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@@andyka591 No this is real men.
Not a girl it’s a man
"old girl"? What the fuck?
Me trying to wake up in a Saturday morning.
Me waking up for work
Me
We can all relate to this
Can’t stop listening to it and watching.
Great car
thank you - I take that as a great compliment
One of my favorite cars ever made, The Hudson is a car from the '50s that will easily be recognized, due to the Hornet's, at-the-time, groundbreaking "step-down" design that gave it a lower center of gravity, enabling it, with also an improved L-head six, to win half of NASCAR's championships in the '51-'53 racing years.
I love the sound of an old car engine igniting to life, and then purring as you drive it. Just magical.
I've never owned a Hudson Hornet, but I'd like to have one. Many V8's of the same era were pushed to keep up with a Hornet. They were the terrors on the stock car track. If you wanted to get really serious about stock car racing in the early '50's, you'd darn well better get a Hudson Hornet. What most of the competition saw was the Hornet's rear end....& the sound of that 308 cu. in. six with dual carbs.
Hudson hornet is 5 liter inline 6
@@m.azkaryoga8909308 cui is 5 liters
Oh the sound of a six volt starter I will never forget. As a young lad I have memories of frosty mornings, flat battery and having to push start dad's old Chrysler Royal and then the long walk back to our house clad in pyjamas. Thank you whoever fitted twelve volt batteries, AC charging systems and fuel injection.
Pure art she is. Beautiful.
That took a while! Reminds me of why the 8 or 9 volt conversions were so common back in the day.
The start was so worth the wait
They were 5 liter flathead online sixes. They had as much as 170 HP from the factory way back then. There were mustangs with 225 HP with ohv and two more cylinders in the 80s. So impressive
I've looked at many car's today. This one made me smile...
thank you for the comment
Garage-kept is best, and regular driving along with proper service, Marvel Mystery additive, and premium gasoline all help keep the engine raring to go. With my '52, three pumps of the accelerator really does the trick, and then once it's started, keep the pedal down slightly to get the carburetor properly supplied with fuel until the engine warms up.
Thank you for the comment. - I am not certain what the top speed of this car would be but for the period probably around 100mph would have been typical, but I would never take one of my old classics over about 70 max even with radial tyres fitted :)
I love the sound of that car!
The push button for the starter indicates that this is a 1951 Hudson (for '52 Hudson switched to a key ignition for starting).
you are absolutely correct - thank you for the comment
Awesome German Shepard !!!!
you are so right - great cars in their day and still impressive now
Thanks for the clarification, in my country ( Brazil ), these cars are extremely rare.
Congratulations on your car !
My struggle in winter when own one of these beauties. Great sound by the way
Owned a 1947 Coupe...never had to crank that hard...the trick was after you shut down give the throttle two pumps so the carb was full for the morning...am now 84 and still miss that really great car!
I agree with you and the problem is that with a mechanical fuel pump and no non return valve fitted it takes time for the slow 6 volt to get fired up - however, it makes for a sweet sounding video - thanks for the comment and by the way, I have a number of cars I really regret selling and one is my old beautiful 1978 Cadillac Seville
@@hudsoninbury I regret to share that my 17 year old head did not appreciate the great engineering and styling in the Hudson. In a race against my buddy's fathers Packard I stretched the engine bearings (that splash system of oil was a problem)...I did beat the Packard! Your 1978 Seville looks a beauty...when we bought a 1973 Grand Wagoneer we had to have it serviced. The Cadillac dealer we bought the Wagoneer from gave us a 1972 Cadillac Sedan DeVille loaner. We drove it home to our starter Ranch Style home only to find 6 inches stuck out of the garage and we could not get the door down...lots of laughs for years on that experience.
@@brianhealey5286 The Wagoneer was a wonderful vehicle and there is videos on my channel of the one I owned. - it was unique for the reason it was one of only 100 made by Jeep as factory built right hand drive. - It was simply a great car but I fell into the trap of seeking greener pastures when I sold it to ease the problem I had of too many other cars I was in love with - I had almost ten American classics at the time witch included three Cadillacs so I was foolish to even consider selling that Wagoneer but there is the story of many of us who get caught up in the fever of old car ownership
thank you for the comment regarding my German Shepherd , Copper - I have passed it on to him :)
I don't know you, we have never met, never talked, never saw each other. However, when you pushed the starter button, I thought to myself "Come on, start, baby. Your owner worked 11 years on you." And when it finally started, I was really happy for you. See folks, that's coming from one car enthusiast to another.
Nice dog...I think he's asking..(can I come for a ride???)
Awesome! My grandpa would love Love the German shepherd
I live in northern Ontario ,,had a few old stovebolt sixes and a few slants over the years ,,40 below fahrenheit i used to pour a little gas down the carb and hold that choke closed or stick my glove in there ,,usually worked.
I have currently 5 classic American cars and owned many more all with standard croos plys. In recent years wide white wall radials have been avaliable. The massive improvment in ability to drive car in modern traffic and road conditions is amazing - In UK two large benifits are the elimination of tracking which is highly dangerous on overcrowded highways and elimination of squealing and handling on corners especially in the wet. main benifits of crossplys are on gravel road and rough surfaces
hudson hornets have a beautiful sounding engine i want one so bad but he was cranking the engine too much a lot of stress on the engine that way
+Amanda Runck You mean stress on the starter, no stress on the engine
Amanda Runck ...smiles...
well its stress on the engine cuz it says its a cold morning so more stress on the starter and engine my dad always uses my car when he cant get his spacecar started or its too cold to use the rapid charger my car doesnt really get driven too much so dad drives it a lot
No stress on the engine at all. Starter perhaps, but that's what its for.
The fly-wheel and the starter mostly. He need a stronger battery.
Thanks for comment - good to hear another old Hudson is doing well ! :)
YOU HAVE 12 VOLT BATTERY CABLES. ASK FOR 0 OR 1 GAUGE CABLES FOR 6 VOLT SYSTEMS. IT SURE MAKES A DIFFERENCE!
good comment - I agree with you and I have in fact changed my 6 volt cars accordingly
So many youngsters just can't understand that nowadays. They also try to use a puny group 1 battery with a big engine. It doesn't work.
Thats a nice sounding motor.
Beautiful car.
that prolonged start time was a bit of an anticlimax
To replace the cross plies on my 1962 Lincoln I had to go up one inch from 14 to 15 inch rims and get the biggest, highest profile radials available. That tire was used on cars like the biggest Cadillacs in maybe the 80's or 90's. That gave a circumference just about identical to the original tires! The speedometer was exactly right when I went by one of those signs on the interstate that reports your speed. Even the big old-Lincoln specialist didn't know of any other way to convert to radials.
Am I correct that the black knob under dash is a choke? Also, what is the silver knob that you're pushing with your left thumb?
Trying to help a Hollywood owner who is arguing everything I say, despite the fact that YOUR TUTORIAL GOT THE CAR STARTED.
Thanks so much for this video!
this is awesome
nice sound
@grinnellalarms it is the big dial on the left - it has only the single numbers - for example 2 = 20 miles per hour :)
2:02 even doggo is happy to see the Hudson running
Good sound
love it
I think your dog wanted to go for a ride.
Of course. There hasn't been a dog in the past hundred years that didn't want to go for a ride.
A beast!
Yes , you're right .
Can't tell you how much I want a 1952 Hornet...
I told my dog , Copper and he says THANKS
que maravilhoso painel
Thank you for the great comment take care
Apreciando esse belíssimo veículo a partir do Brasil
Aguante Argentina
Horsepower was measured differently back in the 1950's. From about 1971 back, engines were rated with gross horsepower. From 1972 on, engines were measured with NET horsepower. Meaning all off the power robbing accesories are attached prior to measuring, such as the power steering pump, water pump, alternator, etc. And the 80's Mustang was saddled with the primitive pollution controls of the day.
Ostrava
Hudson used to measure power and torque with the accessories installed.
I want a Hudson Hornet. It’s my dream car.
Incredible sound of this engine, and instrument panel ? It's a show !
Thanks for the video ! One question, what is the estimated maximum speed ?
About 105 mph. The Hudson was one of the few cars that would outrun a V8 Ford of the same vintage.
I remember these well, both the six and the eight. Sounds like the old boy needs to be primed with a shot of gasoline to get those first cylinder firing.
yes - the problem is no non return valve on fuel line to carb, slow starter action leading to slow pumping of fuel back to carb - but engine fires well as soon as fuel is available in carb - thanks for comment
Authentic 6 volt laborious starting drama.
Don't you guys ever wonder why we never had those troubles back in the day?
@@michaelbenardo5695
Correct guage cable and clean contacts would be crucial.
What is this magnifiing glass like thing on the dash?
It’s a stoplight prism. In a lot of the ‘50’s cars, the windshields were pretty steep, and it’s hard to see upwards if you’re the first one under a red light unless you want to crane your neck. So the light of the stoplight would reflect off the prism, and when the light reflected is green, that told you to go. :)
Thank you for the comment
Is she running on Twin H power, or conventional carburetor
Twin H power
How many miles per gallon you get...
11 years and it hardly cranks... why didn't whoever did the restoration change it to a 6/12 battery? The starter gets 12v and the rest of the car stays on 6v. Those 308 cubic inch sixes are difficult to start on a good day, let alone a cold one. A Hornet saved my life, I was hit broadside by a 55 Chevy and I walked away. The are great cars but they need help when it comes to starting. Too many amps being drawn by the starter when using 6v. Also using a multi-grade oil will help, but you need to start it on 12!! Keep those valves adjusted or they will burn, trust me I know. Good luck with it!
Not even that. A good cleaning of the grounds on the car will have it starting fast on a bad day even with the 6 volts. The engineers weren’t idiots. If they needed 12 volts they would have used it.
@@TheKingofthewaste agree
There is no need to do that. You just have to use 1 gauge battery cables and a group 2 or larger battery. You can also use an 8 volt battery if you want, you just have to have the regulator recalibrated.
How do you think we managed back in the day?
Yes - they really stood out in their day but as they were a small independant company, their success was stiffled by the big companies and their fate sealed when the company making their body shells was purchased by GM
Hullo sir..I a bit late for the taking, but is this normal for a 6 volt system? I ask because I do have a 48 Commodore, which is in the shop right now, Do you recommend converting it to a 12V? This can be quiet costly, no? I just hate to bring my Hudson to a car cruise 50 miles from my home and have this happen to me.
Yes by all means make the conversion to all 12 or simply get at 6/12 battery, I assume that they still make them. Starting a 308 cubic inch 6 draws too many amps, the 6v system isn't up to it. Same thing with older air cooled VW's, once they changed to 12v in 1967 the starting troubles went away.
I have never heard of a 6/12 battery - sounds perfect -- I will inverstigate
They made them years back to solve the same trouble you are having,. Hudson wasn't the only one that used a 6V system. If you can't source a battery, perhaps a local battery shop that makes batteries could make you one. That assumes of course there is such a business near you, the battery will have 6 cells instead of 3 and you'll be using all 6 to start the car. If you convert to ALL 12v remember the radio 9f it still works is 6V and so are all the instruments, AND the light bulbs behind them, plus your heater motor is 6v and will be running at twice the speed if you run it on 12v. That's why the 6/12 battery is a great choice you only start the car on 12v the rest isn't touched!
Oh and if you want brighter headlights for the 6v system it would be easy to install a headlight relay under the hood, this ensures the headlights get a full 6v and not something less. Again this is a product of the 6V system being 'lossy' and the way they ran the headlight voltage all the way to the under dash switch and then back out to the headlights! A relay will be activated when you turn the headlight switch ON and it sends the voltage from there right to the headlight harness. They won't look like Xenons but it will make a difference. I learned that trick from my late father, who always drove Hudson's.
Please let me know how you get on with it all!
Cheers
Tinsby my 48 is a 262 Ci inline
If I remember correctly there was the 308ci, the 262ci, and a 232ci. The smaller one was used in the Hudson Jet. The 6/12 battery would be fine for you see the link I posted above. That way at the end of cruise night you'll be able to get home! Changing over to 12v totally, is as you say, expensive and time consuming, that's why the 6/12 battery is so handy and the easiest most likely choice.
Fucking beautiful
Hudson is an American car. Laughing so hard right now.
Saludos
Is the valve noise common in those old 6 cylinders?
I would not say it was common because I have owned many of them but that Hudson had not had the valves adjusted at that stage
Wasn't sure since I never seen one in person. On our old Ford pick up with a straight six, that much noise meant you better check the oil. Lol
Wondered if it was the valves or a weak oil pump. Figured some parts are getting hard to find.
Hi
Very nice sound !
In the old time (so when these cars were new cars), was the starting so hard ?
or is the baterry or engine now too tired ?
As mother of children, I would be too stressed with this car!
+Iana Bourbaki yea those 6 volt cars are like that
Iana Bourbaki If properly maintenanced using correct battery cables and driven daily this car would crank like a modern car. I daily drive an all original 1953 mercury.
If you are talking as a purist, then obviously original crossply specification is favourable, but if like me a car is driven regularly in heavy , fast modern traffic conditions, then the adoption of radials makes vehicle more daily usable , safer and importantly - more enjoyable to drive. if you try the same car with crossplys and then radials, you would uunderstand - the difference is more than you would think possible and I have done that with many 40's and 50's cars
I have compared the two tire types, and I honestly just don't see that much of a difference.
@@michaelbenardo5695 are you referring to the difference between radials and crossplys? - there is an astounding difference and if that is what you are saying, that I must point out you are wrong. I do not know where you get your knowledge from and how many cars you have driven with each type. - Many experts maintain that you should not use a radial tyre on a car that was built for crossply tyres as the steering links are not sufficiently strong to cope with the greatly increased loads upon them following the ability of the vehicle to hug the road in the way it does with these tyres. The ride is far better as a result of the tyres. Crossplys were also designed originally to cope with the conditions of gravel roads which were very common in North America. The radials do not work as well on that type of surface.
I have been driving for 60 years and have driven all over the world in a massive variety of cars which includes cars fitted with both types -- thanks for the comment
@@hudsoninbury I have compared them on the same vehicle, and the biggest differences I could find is that radials do not follow those grooves that they were cutting into the pavement during the 70s and 80s to reduce hydro-plaining - bias-ply tires WOULD follow them, and radials do not try to hop over streetcar tracks the way bias-plies will. On the other hand, radials generate a lot more road noise and also cause increased impact harshness over broken pavement. I drive traditional full-size American cars and trucks, not sports cars, not compacts.
@@michaelbenardo5695 I grew up in Canada and though my driving experience is obviously been limited in North America to working spells in Canada and the US, I know enough to understand the differences in road conditions, road patterns and driving styles make the demands on a vehicles performance to be very different - I would suggest you research a little further into the subject as a debate between two people talking about their own personal views based upon their own personal conditions which are not identical will never agree - now seek out the opinions of others and see what you find - we both agree on what we each have found - thanks for your opinions 😉
Probably hit 105 without that visor thing on it. I never understood the visor. The windshield is already like a view from a pillbox.
The visor was key when dashes and instrument panels were painted in a Gloss (shiny) finish. And the '51 Hudson has scads of chrome right in front of the driver; -- if kept polished (as intended), it would blind him, or at least cause eye fatigue, on a sunny day.
cold blooded old girl isn't she?
the dreaded six volt swoon.....
Where’s the speedometer?
great big dial on the left above the starter button - it reads up to 11 which is 110 miles per hour. it also has an odometer showing the miles the car has travelled = the other big dial on the right is the clock = strange perhaps but common for its day = thanks for the question.
My dream car since I was in high school in the late '50s is a '34 full fender, Ford coupe with a 308, twin H engine. I'm 75 now so I don't think I'll make it. I've enjoyed the dream all these years however. Anyone got one laying around?
your not the only one... although I'm 23 now and have wanted one since I saw the movie cars when I was little... and then found out my great grandpa used to sell Hudson's. Mabey one day I'll get one
Locomotive????😆
Gotta prime that baby !
Put gas in the carbarator
Put on some radials and fly! Radials were used in Europe at that time, right? Hudson's were made for land speed records. Do a burn-out! DO IT! Drive it hard. Drive it every day. Push it. It's not a big 3 piece o'crap. Show America what it missed out on.!
Nossa, pegou na primeira. Primeira bateria !!!!!!!! kkkkk
+Fabiano Bernardes kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
The max speed is 160kph.
needs a tune up
You do realize this was over 10 years ago, right?
it is hard to start engine 😭
It is a six volt system with a fuel pump driven from the engine revs rather than electric - this together with not having a non return valve fitted on the fuel line means that the engine had to be cranked in order to fill the carburettor if it had been left unused for some time - once the fuel started flowing through the vortex, all was well and it fired up - thanks for the comment
Does that thing need a donkey engine
1:19
You probably gain a mile per gallon also.
This would make a bad getaway car
ha ha ha - one of the best comments !
HODSON HORNET
Hudson. Not Hodson.
time for a new battery
It's a 6 volt, that's all you're gonna get!
Those old 6 volt systems were like that... One could if need be boost with a 12 volt battery(like say on cold mornings)((Done it many times with my old 1950 chev grain truck)...Just make sure and check polarity as some of those old vehicles were positive ground(My Grandpas 1946 Ford was positive ground)...(((If it is negative ground(like all modern vehicles are today) then you can just boost like you normaly would any vehicle(just be carefull not to run starter to long at a time)...(If positive ground, then you can't boost off another vehicle with negative ground, you'll need to disconnect booster battery from the other vehicle(or just have a battery by itself)..(and don't turn on any lights while the 12 volt battery is connected...)))
another trick my 1950 chev truck(negitive ground thank goodness) had was if you shut it off when a warm temp,,, it was hard to start right away( it would turn over once and then hesitate before turning over more maybe)..it was better to let it cool down a while first... And when hauling grain from the combine would sometimes overheat if you let it run while unloading, then wouldn't start if you shut it off, so I always had a 12 volt booster battery along with....lol...
No, but new starting motor. My Chevrolet 1939 sounded like that, but a NOS one did go double as fast, like a newer 12 V. 6 V does not go slow by defalut, but they are much more sensitive for poor connection between different parts, and the starting motor seams to be more sensitive overall too.
I have had several Volvo PV 6V and same there. If the system is flawless, the starting motor goes FAST and you cant tell "oh, hehe, 6 V yeah".
HotRagEmma Btw, my husband said cheap starters has 2 field coils, expensier has 4. My Chevy actually had 4, but 2 was broken when I bought a NOS with 4 ones. If only 2 from start, they should go more slow. I did not know there are cheap ones with two field coils.
Push to start? tha fuck?
Uhm... yes you turn the key to on and then press the start button to swing...
Needs a battery!
battery is fine -battery is 6 volt - problem is that the cables in the whole system were not suitable for six volt and have since been upgraded. - Also the fuel pump is mechanical and the engine oil was cold and thick . basically everything helped to create more drag on system was designed for. The sound was evocative so I filmed it but have since corrected faults - thanks for the comment
now I like the sound of super cars but the v8 rumble I like much much more!
*Gets ready for hater comments*
+James Steele (Gameandcheez) This isn't a V8 though ;)
Straight 6 :)
KirbyAndGamecubeGamer109 in-line 6 bud
Lmao it’s a 6 banger 😂. Know your facts bub
A vehicle with a 6 volt systems are @$#!! to start. Replace the points and condensor with electronic ingintion from Petronics. The engine will start at the touch of the key and no one will ever notice the one extra wire from the distributer.
+Justin Case i don't recommend the petronix for a 6 volt system (i have had good luck with their 12 v products) - i had an awful time with the 6v petronix in my '62 porsche 356 - turns out that if you don't have very close to 6 volts in your system, the petronix won't fire - the factory was great and gave me a return (with that explanation) - the best thing to do is to keep it on a 6v trickle charge and run a sealed optima 6v battery - cheers, b
It's not an ignition problem it's the fact that the 6v starter draws so much current there's hardly anything left. You might get 2 or 3 tries on good day and ONE on a cold day. It needs to be converted to a 6/12 battery, this allows the started to get 12volts when starting, then the car runs everything else on 6v. The momentary use of 12v on the starter is harmless but the benefits are huge.
I have a 6/12 Interstate battery on my 1955 Imperial w/331 Hemi. Even after sitting for several months, 5-6 pats on the foot feed and it usually fires on the first try.
It helps to have a 6-volt electric fuel pump to fill the carburetor bowls though. What good is patting the foot feed when there's no fuel in the carburetor bowls?
There is no need to do that. You just have to quit being cheap and start using the correct 1 gauge battery cables and a group 2 or larger battery.
@@Tinsby No you don't need to. Just use the correct 1 gauge battery cables AND a group 2 or larger battery. You can't use 4 or 6 gauge cables and you CAN'T use a puny group 1 battery.
Maybe the car start a little way better with a full loaded battery,.....
The 6 volt battery was fully charged. It was attempting however attempting to turn over an extremely large flat head engine that had only recently been rebuilt. An added negative factor was that both the plug leads as well as the ignition lead was not of the correct gauge. These were a number of issues which contributed to the slow turning over of what was also an elderly starter motor in need of rejuvenating. Finally, with all those considerations, the natural character that was manufactured into the electrical system in the early 1950s dictated that slow turning result
LOL what a barge
take it back, it should start much easier