Sugar Ray Leonard or Roy Jones Jr.....Who was better? Mayweather Boxing Club gives opinions
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Jeff Mayweather asks some of the guys inside the Mayweather Boxing Club who they thought had a better career. Was it Sugar Ray Leonard or Roy Jones Jr.?
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Ray Leonard was an elite fighter
Calzaghe wouldn't have lasted 3 rounds against a young Roy, garunteed.
Calzaghe would give trouble to any version of Roy, stop with the bs
Calzaghe was good but overrated. He had a chance to fight Roy Jones when Jones was the P4P fighter of the decade during their era but he had no willingness to leave the security of his home shores. I'm a Calzaghe support er but the truth can't be ignored. Roy was simply on another level and he beat all kinds of styles that Calzaghe NEVER faced in his career. Calzaghe barely got by an older Bernard Hopkins and was still dropped hard on his face in a fight that is still debated to this day as to the victor. He was dropped by a Jones who had been knocked out twice on a 3 fight losing streak who was clearly diminished as a force. Roy beat a PRIME Hopkins, Tony, Devalle, Reggie Johnson ( who was as slick and slippery as they come) and then toyed with John Ruiz a Heavyweight 25 pounds bigger who in spite of his ugly style and limitations was still able to be in the mix in the division. Calzaghe would be very hard pressed to deal with a man who was infinitely faster than him, hit MUCH harder than him, had ten times better reflexes and legs and who wouldn't make it easy by staying in the pocket like the buggers Joe was accustomed to. This would in all probability look like the thrashing Roy put on Pazienza.
@@ascendancy4900 naw you crazy, no one could stop prime roy. He overwhelmed his opponents with speed, power and superhuman like reflexes. Calzaghe would have got knocked out. James toney couldnt defend him off losing every single round. You cant beat someone whos faster and stronger.
@@fitzgeraldanthony9333 respect mate great shout ❤️
In a lb4lb, it's Ray Leonard. Leonard could take a punch, was blazingly fast, the best combination fighter in history(storms of punches with power), could box exactly as boxer would or punch exactly as a puncher would, had better mobility than Roy, and was too fast to counterpunch. This is the fight: Holmes+Walcott(but faster than they were and without their chin)* VS AIi+Holyfield(but even better with combinations than they were)!
*There are differences in AIi and Holmes: it's the quality of movement and the combination ability. When some fighters use combinations, the punches continually flow! When others throw combinations, their rate of speed slows down beyond the 1-2. As they use 3+ punches, they are slower with subsequent punches. For Jones, this might be splitting hairs because he was so fast already and you may think this slowdown does not matter!
However, both these guys were blazingly fast and Leonard did not have this problem! It's that weakness that can make it easier to counter you--if your opponent knows what to look for. I mentioned that not because Ray was a counterpuncher, but to make this show up more. I believe that combination challenged fighters know they have this flaw and that's why you see them almost all of the time throwing 1 or 2 punches at a time!
I say Ray had more skills but Roy had more God given talent, really Roy did alot of stuff wrong but could get away with it because of his quick reflexes and athletic rhythm.
Wrong
Ray had god given talent as well
I wouldnt classify roys athletic abilities as god given talent. More like physical attributes. He relied more on his power, speed and athleticism. Ray leonard was the much better boxer skillwise. Also better generalship and toughness. I dont see roy turning maddog on a killer with bigger size, punch and reach like ray did on tommy hearns. The Tarver losses were no accidents, and tarver was no tommy hearns.
@@eranliber5993 man liber you hit the nail on the head tell it
@@eranliber5993 Bull sht Roy one the first fight easy later rounds. Tarver losses were no accidents LOL Obviously you dont understand weight classes. For Roy to move to heavy weight then drop back down in 6 months to light heavy zapped him. If he would've made Tarver move to heavy weight he would've one easy.
The eye injury to Leonard really robbed us of a decade of possible fights
It was 1 month short of 3 years and he came back and beat haggler in 87
When the chin was exposed Roy was exposed. Against Leonard, the moving up argument made for Roy's chin holds no water. Leonard's chin was tested at every weight he fought in and it passed with flying colors.
In all fairness when jones lost he came down 25lbs to fight again after beating Ruiz
"Exposed" lol. Roy had already been a pro for 16 years and a world champion in 4 different divisions by the tine he had his first real loss against Tarver. Get outta here with that BULL.
@@JorgeRojas-ut3wj Dipshit, Jones was always big for the MW & Super MW divisions. His speed enabled him to outslick non bombers like Toney, an old McCallum and Hopkins. When he moved up to light Heavy a division more appropriate to his size and the chin finally got tested, he gets KTFO!!!
@@tbolin25 175 lbs was Roy's walk around weight. Which means he was outsized by all other light heavies and that was very apparent to see if you had ever seen the man fight in his prime. And it's clear you never did otherwise you wouldn't talk such astounding, unbelievable, astronomic horseshit. Besides, he was already a light heavyweight for years before ever being dropped so your dumbass theory doesn't even hold water because it doesn't make any sense.
@@JorgeRojas-ut3wj It's simple Border Jumper, Jones KTFO by 2 extremely mediocre light heavy's (Tarver & Johnson). Btw, I think the name of that Hall of Fame warrior that Tarver beat slipped my mind, oh wait, not that he beat but who beat him Hopkins and Dawson. As for Johnson, lost to him to but hey, Johnson only had 21 losses.
But hey Tapitio breath, thanks for proving my point "Jones walked around at 175", while Hagler walked around at 155. Remember, Enchilada Taint, Jones started at MW and was a big MW. Still, that chin would've been tested in a 15 round beating from Hagler. Jones couldn't KO McCallum, Hopkins or Toney neither of whom could bring the kind of heat Hagler most surely would have and if he couldn't hurt the the likes of those 3, there's no way he dents the greatest chin of all time. So I'll take my dumbass theory and you go back to licking bean dip off the rosebuds of overrated pugs like Jones and Tyson.
1:46 Jeff, he was talking about Leonard's downfall vs Camacho. Leonard wasn't 32 at that time, he was a couple months away from turning 41. But I gotta say--I love your content, Jeff :)
That's to keep they man at the 🔝 he was old like Buddy said taking fights against a younger lion
@@shockadellick well stated shock i believe you word for word nice break down
Exactly
Leonard beat Benitez, Duran, Hearns and Hagler. Roy beat Hopkins, Toney, McCallum and Hill. Both are great boxers. Jones was gifted. More so even than Leonard. He had incredible natural speed and power even more than Ray had. Two phenomenal athletes as boxers. Ray was a much better boxer as far as how he boxed. Much better. Using the jab and movement and body shots, hooks, right hands, you name it. He slipped and blocked punches and was toughas nails. Jones could be hurt. He relied on his God given speed and power, more so than Ray did. Ray could take punches and come back and win.
The young welterweigh Tommy Hearns is pound for pound better than any boxer Roy fought in his career. Duran P4P is the best of them all, IMO. Best lightweight, ever. Yet, Ray beat him well above lightweight. I think Ray is the slightly better boxer all around Than Jones, toughness, will to win even when you are behind going late into the bout like he was against Hearns. Also. Ray had a great chin, really. Camacho beat Ray when Ray was 40 years old long after his best days when he was mostly out of boxing for many years. Ray one of the best P4P boxers, ever. Duran and Leonard, a bit above the rest like Hopkins, Jones, Hearns, Toney, Benitez, etc.
@@nycinstyle when I watch matches even before I post i see advances,when I'm just watching anytime I see advances,if I'm speaking to a person I remember the advances,see how you always will be wrong?,you can't change my good vision no one can stay hurt lunatic liar
Sugar Ray was 40yrs when he fought Hector Camacho.
Ray was the better technical fighter with great reflexes and speed, while Roy had otherworldly reflexes and speed. Ray was a boxer-puncher with a sturdy chin. Roy was like a sniper. I would go with Ray because he easily had the better resume. Ray was weighed in the balance and easily passed. Roy may have been tested twice in his prime due to inferior competition.
yeah the same thinking
IMO, that 84-inch sledge hammering jab would have kept Tyson in check.
IMO, that 84-inch sledge hammering jab would have kept Tyson in check.
In all fairness Roy in his prime made anyone look like lesser competition. The only person who beat Roy was himself. Dropping back down to fight Tarver you can see by his 3 straight losses.
James Toney was a pure and complete boxer like Sugar Ray but RJJ destroyed him.
Roy had great speed reflexes...but so did Ray and he had better chin and resume..so pound for pound its ray
It’s not Roy jones fault but ray fought tougher opponents
Sugar Ray Leonard was slightly lesser version of Sugar Ray Robinson, with almost all the skills Robinson had, and he fought and beat legends of the sport, much tougher opponents, he is greater than Roy Jones Jr, even though Jones had lightning speed and mesmerising athletic ability.
Leonard was better than Robinson
@@cade9173 not even
@@cade9173 Why are you walking around the grounds unsupervised ?, c,mon now come inside its time for you medication.
@@francishughes2016 facts Robinson makes Leonard look like Sweet’n low lol
Roy Jones was a great boxer but sugar Ray was a supreme boxer, sugar Ray fought the toughest most elite back then.
Roy was a supreme athlete and a great boxer but Sugar Ray was a great athlete and a even greater boxer. It's a toss up for me. For sure Roy had the longer career with multiple division belts. Sugar Ray had tougher rivalries with Hagler, Hearns and Duran but Roy was so ahead of his peers he made them all look a steps behind.
P4P? Leonard
Duran came up from Lightweight to beat Leonard at welterweight.
@@fvgc454ss no Durán already had like 4-5 fights at the division and was already beat former champs of the division it ain’t like he pulled a mikey Garcia that was his campaigning division at the time of the fight
@@rons2285 LUNATIC follower
@@rons2285 liar
Ray lost to Duran at 24, barely got past Hagler at 30, got dominated by Terry Norris at 34, destroyed by Camacho (a former 130lb'er)at 40. Roy (forget the dq against Griffin) didn't lose until he was almost 35-36 years old and that was after winning the heavyweight title. As for his competition, James Toney, BHop, Virgil Hill, Mike McCallum, Reggie Johnson, Montell Griffin, Jeff Lacy, Felix Trinidad, Antonio Tarver, John Ruiz, Jorge Castro...he should have retired after beating Ruiz. Undefeated and 50-0. Nobody was beating Roy until he pushed himself too far coming down from heavyweight. Tarver would never have beaten Roy in the early to mid 90s. He caught him at the right time. Same with Glen Johnson and the others. He was a shell of himself by then.
Ray was the first ever non heavy weight to carry the sport, he literally became the face of boxing after Ali lost badly to Larry Homes in 1980. In 1981 Sugar Ray beat Tommy Hearns and became the face of boxing as a welterweight.
He beat Duran and made him quit after a tough 15 Round foghtb when Ray intentionally fought Duran style, he was retired for 5 years with only 1 fifht vs a prime 32 year old hagler who had not lost in 10 years, fought Camacho when he was 41.
4:50 i can listen to this guy talk all day
Sugar Ray Leonard 👑
Who you think was the gooder fighter 🤔 lol 😂😆 Gotta love Jeff
Roy Jones Jr.
ray leonard
@@mimmoum3236 why chose him?
@@williamgray5491 cause hagler, hearns, benitez, duran.
@@mimmoum3236 Leo fought great fights and barely came on top but Roy jones jr had a hook in the left as a sniper and had speed that people thought he was the fastest boxer ever so I pick Roy to give Leo his run for his money :D
Ray
Correction on Leanard vs Camacho.....Leanard was 40 and Camacho was only 34 when they fought....so yah, Leanard was very old when he fought Camacho......
I gotta go with sugar ray
Roy was better p4p
I was around for Ray Leonard.....
In their prime interesting ....
Roy started as a middle weight and Leonard a welterweight....
Roy is a 4 division champ. He's the greatest!
Tough to answer im an oldie , sugar ray was phenomenal,hard to pick leonards time had so many unbelievable boxers and he beat them
That's a hard one to pick. Draw......
Ray Leonard all day.
Roy Jones Jr by UD
Leonard,s prime was welter ...roy,s was middle weight. If they met at middle I think its jones
Nah Ray was still in his prime at middle weight
Roy would've destroyed Sugar Ray Leonard hands down. Sugar Ray was great but Roy was a super human. Sugar was a great hooker but Roy had a sniper straight right hand. I just can't see how Ray would've been able to evade that. Roy's chin was iron period, he got hit by many great fighters. His chin/brain only went down hill when he came down from heavy weight.
RJJ at his peak was somethin else
Another correction, the guy in the video that said Ray Leanard had a relatively short prime is incorrect.....Ray was 34 years old when he fought Hagler.....
Can was gone 5 years. Came back kick ass
Nah Ray was 31
Why would u get on here and lie like that, like we all don’t have google
Look at who Sugar Ray beat ,waaaaaaay better opposition
You did know that Roy actually went all the way to heavyweight and got a belt don't you? think about somebody Roy Jones jr. Size going all the way up to a heavyweight and getting a belt.Robinson best pound-for-pound fighter ever. Roy Jones has to be number two and usually is on almost everyone's list for pound-for-pound. Roy dominated boxing in his prime. No one would fight him so he kept moving up.
@@choice12ozborne You have a list where he is number 2 ever ,I’ve never seen one .Yeah the size thing is amazing but reverting back to my initial statement ,SRL fought ,Hagler ,Hearns Duran , ,Jones has Toney and maybe Hopkins you can mention in the same sentence .Im not saying Jones wouldn’t beat the greats Leonard fought ,I think he would have all three ,maybe Hearns would have given him the toughest fight with his style .Hagler v Jones would be impossible to call out, over 15 Hagler MAY have caught up with him but Jones had enough power and skill to keep him away too. Guess I’m guilty of remembering Jones late on and how his career went due to the weight gain then loss .But in his day I’d put him with ANYONE
Sure Sugar Ray Leonard fought Hagler, Duran, and Hearns; but he only fought 42 fights in total. What is Ray Leonard fought as heavyweight?
@@sebastianblackfyre Based on that Chavez 87-0 has to be better than Mayweathers 50-0
@@chromeheart6597 Yes, he’s just not as commercialized in comparison with Mayweather.
I would say ray Leonard would win but would be a very close very tactical fight
Ray Leonard
Jones would have trounced Mayweather.
no doubt : RAY LEONARD
Sugar ray every day
Hey listen. Roy was a beast.
But Ray, man how could you ever bet against Ray.
I got Ray
i really don't understand the logic behind - this fighter wasn't from my era thus he mustn't be a better fighter.
They ssy i didnt fight nobody, i made them look like nobody "yall musta forgot"
Empate (Deuce)
If someone asked me who is better jones or hearns, it would be hard to say but not this
15 rounds make it differant
Floyd Mayweather JR. v.s Sweetpea Witaker
Pernell
@@rons2285 LUNATIC
@@ascendediam pernell was way faster and more athletic depending on which version of Floyd we’re talking about but he beats Pretty Boy era Floyd because he would flood him out with ring generalship it would look like what Floyd looked like Miguel Cotto. The money Mayweather version wouldn’t be athletic enough to keep up with Pernell, Pernell did what Floyd did without the need of a shoulder roll he was naturally gifted he was what Roy jones would be if he could box. Plus like Ray Leonard it wouldn’t be the first time he beat up on a Mayweather
@rons2285 Ray and that era look to be very overextending a lot of times to the body and are very hesitant in most movements. They don't fight from range much,they leave themselves open a lot of times, and a lot of times they will just throw to the body and not protect themselves.
the ray era
They use mostly counters when up close. The lateral movement is very basic. They don't seem to be able to punch from range while doing it smoothly. They have to stop then punch most of the time. Their feet are mostly tiptoeing.
these flaws are even seen in ray in his prime vs sammy,roy never showed those same outdated tech or flaws so like i said you madeup what you said from highlights,which means you're ver of ray is fiction,which doesn't matter,compared to the average 70s fighter ray and his era looked like novices,roy would run through him in the 1st based off of the real ray.....
i just seen ray vs sam 5mins ago ago you're a liar,ray looks as i said he did you never even seen that video or have you seen semi full rounds from the other old ray...... keep exposing yourself,ray wasnt even as advanced as the average 70s fighter,where did you get the lies from highlights?
Let's not forget Leonard tkoed.,..Floyd's dad which Mayweather watch the fight had faster hands then Roy and Leonard took him out under ,8
Yeah took him out took him all the way put beating on him mayweather could not hang whit sugar to damn sweet
SRL all day he’d set you up for a KO w his feet the way he moved around a ring in and out then bang bang his hands were so fast
Man boxing is boxing but roy was just special forget fights roy didnt lose rounds lol made james toney look easy and was in unlv gym shooting hoops the next morning nobody beats prime roy period imo
Leonard beats Toney too as good as Toney was he was too flat footed to and slow to keep up with Ray and Ray could bang
@rons2285 wrong toney was way to advanced you lunatic
tought call cuz RJJ was untouchable in his prime... didn't even really have competition.
Untouchable cuz he fought nobodies Leonard beat the elite best of all time fighters .. hagler..hearns...Duran..benitez..these were some of the best in boxing history and Leonard beat them all...Roy's competition was nothing like leonards
Eddie always confuse to choose what sort of hof is he
Sugar Ray Leonard, Wins.Both Great fighters, But SUGAR is just Sweeter.
Lou Knocked Roy down.
Leonard easy
Roy Jones Jr
Sugar Ray Leonard!!!!!
Leonard fought far far superior fighters and beat them all...hagler..hearns..Duran...all hall of Fame fighters...Leonard beat them all
Chill. Nobody Leonard beat is beating James Toney.
King of 4 kings period
@@johnlewis399 Hearns beats Toney
@rons2285 no he doesn't lunatic
royjones
Ray would beat Floyd just like he did to he’s father
i hate when people go for older fighters and obviously dont know anything about them..lol
Nobody beats roy jones jr in his prime. leonard lost to roberto duran in his prime. Roy had no problem beating bernard hopkins or james toney 2 of the greats
Roberto Duran is easily better than both those guys by far
@@cade9173 Roy would destroy Duran stop it he would be a nightmare for him
@@marcellousharrell83 🤦♂️ Duran was a god damn lightweight who beat some of the best welterweight and middle weights. He went 15 rounds with hagler in a close fight and not in his prime. Only reason Roy wins is cause he's naturally bigger.
@@fvgc454ss he is faster, bigger, long reach, better boxer, hits harder, there is nothing that Duran does that is better than Roy please learn some boxing and I love Duran he a monster but Roy at 160 would literally kill him think hearts Duran but worse😂
@@fvgc454ss yea he got destroyed but hearns also Roy does everything better than hearns does and his fight with hagler was great but Roy style is way different he not sitting there and trading he would have hit Duran 3 times and got out before Duran got off 1
prime hearns beats prime jones
😂
Roy was better in PRIME
Better than anyone p4p
@@thisishiphop1990 against nobody's tho
@@fvgc454ss he beat prime hopkins and toney.
@@derricklyons2232sugar ray better than Jones
@@fvgc454ss not prime for prime.
These guys forgetting Roy beat a prime James Toney? Toney would’ve sparked anybody SRL beat
Definitely wouldn’t have beat Hearns as good as Tony was he would have been too flat footed for Hearns who would have tore him apart with that jab dancing all around Toney which is the reason he lost to Roy because he hand problems getting on the line to be effective against Roy , Hearns was Taller just as agile (not to be confused with athleticism) and had a way longer reach then Roy Hearns might have slept Toney honestly
prime sugAr beat prime hector and jones
Ray Leonard, though I wasn’t his fan, was the best fighter I’ve ever seen at welterweight. There is no way in my mind that De la Hoya, Trinidad, Spence Jr, and even Mayweather Jr has any chance at beating Leonard, especially Leonard after the first Duran fight.
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Looney
Roy had the better resumé. He was champ in 5 weight classes. Even light heavyweight.
Ray leonard was a 5 time champ in 5 weight classes also and Roy couldn’t beat hagler , Duran , hearns . Roy lost to guys not even as tough as them or better
@@antonioartemus7739 you talking about past prime Roy. He peaked early and didn’t have technical skills to offset it. James Toney was tougher than all of them and bigger and Roy smoked him in his prime.
@@johnlewis399 I wish yah would stop bring up Toney because Toney never had the best foot work Ray does the same exact thing to Toney except Ray would’ve probably finished Toney because Ray could bang on the inside Toney doesn’t beat Hearns either
@@rons2285 lunatic
@@rons2285 lmaooo. Yes Toney that’s never been hurt hit by punchers from160 to heavyweights and naturally bigger would’ve been finished by Sugar Ray Leonard lmaooo. Toney is a Hof fighter as well if you didn’t notice and multi division champ. Pass me what you smoking bro. I need that shit 😂😂
Sugar ray was scared of hagler he fought hagler when he was old and I think hagler won that fight.
People forget roy jones began at lightweight and fought all the way to the fickin light heavyweights
Casual alert
Very wrong.
sugar - better defense, footwork smarter / roy fast stronger
No sugar didnt have better defense or footwork stop it
not gonna go back n forth with you
@@1Blkkato dont have to u wrong like I said
@@ascendediam he definitely had better defense than Roy and Ray could bang Roy had a bad habit of find himself on the ropes and he didn’t take body shots good at all if Ray got him on the ropes it would’ve been a bad night for Roy going against Ray who was just as fast
@@ascendediam dude I watched full matches the man definitely had better defense and obviously you don’t watch full matches if you think Ray wasn’t fluid that’s literally the dumbest comment I’ve read so far anytime someone have to use Toney as a measuring stick compared to fighters Ray fought you already loss
Ray Leonard before the detached retina is the greatest fighter to ever step in a ring. He mastered every boxing skill that exists and even invented a few of his own. He had no weaknesses.
No he didn't liar he was a 80s type fighter,he had no weaknesses yet was beat,the average person in 90s was way more advanced than the whole 80s
Roy Jones Jr all day everyday Roy greater then Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Jeff hatin on Sugar Ray saying he wasn't that old when he lost to Camacho and Norris. Jeff knows Leonard was waaaaay out of his prime when he fought those two.
Looney
Sugar ray Leonard way way better and Roy Jones had no skills and no chin
He fought all the way from 154 to heavyweight and was only kd one time in his first 15 years as a pro..
.sorry he had a chin
Roy jones had chin even a rookie amateur that can punch even little hard would ko jones
Roy's opponents weren't bad Roy made them look bad (Bernard Hopkins - James Toney) Muhammad Ali had the same problem.
Roy would destroy that whole basic era
Leonard was better than Roy. Hagler, Hearns, and Duran were better than Roy too.
Ray all day not even close