Hey guys! I wanted to apologize about not posting a video last week. I normally post a video every week, but I had too much on my plate last week and wasn’t able to post. I hope you can forgive me! Thanks for watching and thanks for the support!
Kentucky ballistic not a problem do what you can when you can greetings from UK England Essex great video but your having a FUBAR day lol shot your table 2 times. 💕🐺👌🔫
Great video - thanks! As I have mentioned in my own videos, the 10MM and the 357 Mag are my two favorite rounds. This test simply confirms this along with the use of heavier loads in each when it come to anything beyond two legged predictors.
I honestly think they are equals. I’m not sure if it’s what Cooper intended, but I see the 10mm as the semi auto equivalent to .357 Magnum. When both are loaded to full potential, they have nearly identical energy levels. I love both it really just comes down to revolver vs semi auto. I think these two calibers are the absolute best options for people who want the most power possible while still maintaining practicality in a carry gun.
I agree, these calibers are literally neck and neck in terms of on paper energy. I would only add that those who trust in grains of lead would favor 10mm, and those who put their faith in grains of powder would see an advantage in 357. Luckily Ruger chambered their Gp100 in 10mm auto. (You couldn't get it into the L frame, S&W?) So I can enjoy both.
Love your reviews bud! Thank you for confirming that 357. And 10mm are pretty comparable, i'm more of a wheelgun guy these days but either platform would leave me feeling safe in the backcountry. Capacity is nice but simplicity of a revolver and 6, or 7 rounds is nice too. Reloads on revolvers aren't as terrible as everyone makes it out to be, practice makes progress.
What people generally misunderstand, IMO, is that a large wound cavity isn't what makes 10mm such a revered round. It's how far it carries its energy. A 9mm can make a nasty wound cavity, as well, but the energy it carries dissipates pretty quickly. It's like the difference between a sports car and a semi truck. One has a lot of horsepower, while the other one has a lot of torque. What would you prefer, a wound channel that expands and then tapers down to a tiny hole or a wound channel that's as wide from the start to the end?
I do a search for 10mm vs. .357 magnum in 2023 and I find this old video of Scott doing a test. No tactical T-rex. No tables being deliberately shattered. No watermelon. No egg plants. Excellent science. Your channel has really evolved over the years. It is fun to see.
I prefer 357. Been carrying a 686+ on my hip for about 7 years. As far as versatility goes with handgun cartridges that are fairly common, I think 357 is where it’s at. Thanks for the vid!
So with almost a 3/4 inch shorter barrel and relatively same grain. The 357 magnum appears to be slightly more powerful as in greater velocity more energy etc. But then of course you offset that with the fact the 10 mm can carry quite a few more rounds. I like both rounds and my carry is a 357 gp100. So between the slightly more powerful 357 and more fire power 10 mm. I think it comes down to whether you like revolver or semi auto.
The 10mm is a little bigger in diameter than the 357 and can expand a little wider the 357 produces better velocity because it should have a better BC because it's smaller in diameter though you can't really go wrong with either because they both have a very broad range of different weights you can mess around with but yeah it does basically come down to if you like a semi auto or revolver more this video shows how similar the 2 are though both heavy rounds penetrated really deep and the 2 light ones penetrated about ideal if I want more power than 9mm or 40 these are my 2 rounds of choice
Thanks for your response. I saw a post by someone else about a .44 Special, Hornady 165 grain defense round and decided to change to that for home protection, from my .45 long Colt semi-wad cutter. Without you RUclips guys, it would be very hard to find a cartridge that we think would be best for our needs. Great job!
10mm is one of my favorite calibers, the amount of versatility it has is uncommon for semi-auto handguns. If we're talking duty/defense oriented shooting, Tangfolio 10mm models are my pick. They aren't the prettiest or the nicest guns out there, but if you need a work horse carry pistol that won't break the bank they are solid choices. I like Wilson Combat's XTP load for 10mm, warmer than what Hornady loads (I think they shy away from loading higher pressures in calibers meant for it like 10mm and 357 Sig) but still manageable recoil. Damn shame Federal doesn't load their HST in 10mm, because I'd love to see that. .357 Magnum does have a lot of merit to it, especially in more anti-gun states as revolvers bypass lots of anti-gun laws like magazine capacity bans. The Federal Barnes Expander round is definitely my favorite in that caliber, regardless of what kind of platform you push it through that bullet penetrates deeply and blows up nice and big. With proper training and intelligent decision making, I don't think anybody can go wrong with either caliber.
I love both. 220 grain hardcast 10mm Underwood is a fucking ridiculous load. It will blow through a moose with a nasty wound cavity. I carry it as my sidearm in parker CO, where there's a lot of bears where I camp. 16 rounds of that gives me a better sense of security vs only 6 in my single shot 44mag.
My daily carry is the Ruger SP101 in .357 mag. Some people have told me it's too heavy for their carry gun, but I've had it for so long I don't even notice it anymore. Besides, I used to carry the Beretta M9 while I was in the Army and that's even heavier so the weight doesn't bother me at all. I actually like it since it is a .357 mag and helps with the recoil.
I have the 3" version of the SP101. It's great. I don't see how it's weight is that big of an issue, it's reasonably light. People will complain about anything I guess.
Well,I must admit ,knowing that you guys in the USA can buy what ever and where ever you want, Im very much jelous from my perspective. In my Country,357 is available,at least practice level ammo, but 10mm AUTO ammo ...hardly. So,here,if you want eficient handgun for "God forbid" situation on four legs...choose 357 and practice. A lot. By the years,I learned to rely on my shooting skill under stress and,if I don t stop bear with 5 piece of well placed 158 Hydra Shok ,how much I have in my Ruger SP-101 .. story over. Not only because "only " 5 shots but also because time. I believe,knowing the speed of brown bear moving ( 60km/h) it s very questionable how manny shots would anyone have time to shoot good. Precise. To be acountable. Time IS passing during usage of your handgun, revolver or pistol, it s all the same. So I truly believe that 10mm AUTO, 357 Magnum,45ACP ..they will all do the job as much as handgun cartidge can,but ...put the right thing in the countable place and do it as fast as possible. I apologise for gramacy mistakes.My English is not perfect.
I carried a S&W 1076 for years and I have seen the real world shooting with one. The round travelled through a car door and totally destroyed the bad guys hand that was reaching for a handgun under his seat.
"I shot the table" "I shot the table AGAIN!!" I have to give FULL CREDIT to a guy who is humble enough to admit (twice) that he did something pretty jerky and incompetent. We all need to just CALM DOWN and stop always trying to look "right" and being better than others. We do the best we can, and present our information -- that's how it should be. I'm going to TRUST the information and lack of agenda of anybody who readily admits it when he screws up and looks silly. Thanks for all you excellent ballistics info!
Good lesson in how sectional density of bullets is overlooked when judging a cartridge's power. However, bullet construction is just as important as a factor.
@@zoggrog8823 I have a 357 Magna I have never had any complaints From anything I ever shot It does have better penetration though So I can shoot 3 people The 10 mm can only shoot through 3 and a 1/2
I could never pick a favorite between these 2. I do however think the .357 is definitely a more versatile performer. I remember back in my silhouette days loading 180 and 200gr bullet at velocities far beyond what I'd attempt in a 10mm pistol, although the S&W 610 being an N-frame could probably get there without issue. As far a favorites go, in the past in .357 my 4" 586 would have been my first choice hands down! It was not only my first handgun purchase but also my first EDC, hunting handgun and silhouette revolver. But since I bought my Coonan, with it's closed breach it takes the velocity of a 5" gun to another level! All while reducing recoil considerably. In 10 mm it's again a tough call. It's ALWAYS been my 1006. I bought the first one I saw after a disappointing experience with an early Delta Elite. It's performed flawlessly since day one. But I recently put together a 10mm commander that shoots lights out and to date is about 900 rds in without a single malfunction. So in both cases it's a pick em!
I cringe when I hear folks talk about how a 10mm is close to a .41 mag in performance. False. 10mm is very close to the .357 as you’ve shown. In either caliber you can find ammo whereby one outperforms the other because they (the calibers) are close in performance to begin with. I too, own and actually carry both. Love them both. I carry Buffalo Bore in both. Serious power - in both. My favorite .357 is the Ruger LCR and and the Springfield XDM Compact 10mm and the Glock 29SF, 10mm. All three guns have Buff Bore and are amazingly powerful rounds - but the 10mm’s are not close to a .41! Interesting item to note that in using the most powerful ammunition made, the .357 is the most powerful of the two calibers. But, the key is the quality and performance of the ammo. I personally do not carry hollow points because I want deep penetration. While the empirical data shows energy and muzzle velocity - I can tell you that the penetration of the 10mm is measured in feet, not inches. The heavier 10mm round will provide better wound channel damage and deeper penetration with Hard Cast. Also better weigh retention, as your test showed with the hollow points. 10 mm gives more rounds compared to the revolver. Ultimately it comes down to the mission - where you are carrying the gun and what you expect to encounter and how many targets you could encounter and how many missed shots you can afford before empty. Both cartridges will stop a bear with the PROPER shot placement, literally. Both are great calibers. As a side note, I use Underwood Xtreme Penetrators in my .45 Colt. Amazing ammo and weight retention. Also use it in my 9mm’s. Great content!!!
It's not entirely incorrect to say that it equals SOME .41 magnum loads. Hell, in terms of energy, some .357 loads can outperform a number of .41 magnum loads too. But at top end power, yeah, the .41 magnum still seriously overpowers both. The loads that they've developed for both the .357 and the 10mm are pretty insane.
One of the most impressive gel test videos that I've ever seen was of an Underwood .357 Sig 125 gr JHP shot through a Glock 31. The expansion started at about 3/4 inch in and carved a large permanent cavity out to about 9 inches, with a tapering channel to the end of travel at about 18 inches. This looked to me like true .357 Magnum terminal ballistics in a semi-auto pistol.
357 just does what was made for - taking care of business w/o any hesitation. Small 3 inch 357 for EDC is super weapon! 10mm is great but less pistol choices than the 357 platforms out there…
I thought about this a lot when trying to chose a bear gun. When it comes down to it there is only 2 real benefits to the .357 revolver. A .357 can be had for hundreds less than any 10mm on the market (Taurus .357), and it can shoot lighter .38 special loads. The glock 29 or 20 benefits are a larger diameter bullet with slightly better ballistics (after all 10mm is basically a .41 magnum when loaded hot, a step up from .357 mag), a better trigger in a self defense situation (single action vs double action of a revolver which is a heavier pull), it holds more rounds (twice as many for the small glock 29 vs a 5 rd revolver), and it has a little less perceived recoil than a revolver in my opinion. I am definitely not shitting on a .357 as a bear gun, and certainly not as a self defense gun, but I do think in almost every category the 10mm wins. Especially as a woods gun.
Love both cartridges, S&W M&P 8 shot revolver with 5" barrel is my favourite. Here in Canada, we are restricted to 10 shots in our handguns, so the 8 shots is not much of an issue. Love the revolvers balance, aiming sights, recoil damping weight, accessory rail, color, everything...
The reputation of the 357 was made with the 125grn hp..you should have used that. I've seen emergency room footage and read the the results of many state police who used the 357. The terminal ballistics are not only effective..theyre gory. A shot in the chest cavity with the federal c357b 125 grn for example typically leaves a golf ball to baseball size hole on exit and blows out lung and heart tissue. Just say in the 357's track record is unrivaled as far as one shot stops
Edward Duran and the Underwood ammo he used is possibly closer to what the Remington 125 gr scalloped SJHP used to be. A lot of people believe factory ammo by Remington, Federal and Winchester have toned down the 125 gr in recent decades
A clay ballistic test between the 10mm vs the 45 super, both using underwood ammo. 165 gr and 200 gr respectively for the 10mm, and the 185gr and the 230 gr for the 45 super. May need to increase the recoil spring of the 45 acp pistol to at least a 20 pound spring. I use a 20 pound spring on my H&K USP.
C MJ The 627 is amazing. Some hate on TAURUS but I have a Smith 686 357magnum and the TRACKER is nipping at its heels... Almost shoulder to shoulder. And in some ways better. I have Glock 19,s and several other ( Name Brand ) Handguns but my 357 is my Hop along Cassidy survival gun lol
it would be great if you did this same test, but with non-hollow point, hardcast ammo. that's what most people would use if you're in the backcountry (animal defense).
I have to give you credit - most RUclipsrs would edit out the two table shots; a testimonial to your honesty to leave it in and give us all a smile. I do wonder this: a bullet striking low in a gel block has the weight of the gel above, and an immovable table surface below; a bullet striking high in a gel block has only a small percentage of the gel above, probably leading to a greater apparent temporary wound cavity size. It would be interesting to compare identical rounds in a gel block - one hitting low (but above the table (;-)) and one hitting high to see if, in slo-mo, there was any difference in TWC size. Seems like there should be.
I've got 2 - 357's, and 3 - 10 mm's, both are quite formidable caliber, however I really like the 10 mm better. The larger diameter bullets cause it to dump its energy a lot faster causing much more shock to soft tissue. Not to mention much higher capacity.
Picked up my Glock 29 yesterday. shot it today. I've never shot a 10mm im used to 9mm however, not too bad at all its definitely snappy but follow up shots are not bad at all. My new carry gun that packs a punch. Seeing this video 10mm can rival 357 and hold more rounds with heavier lead.
psychothefear Revolver though ?. I think that's where the 10mm has a Advantage. You can buy a glock that holds 14. Rounds of 10mm. Good for carry and home Defense and back up for hunting.
Suffice it to say, 10mm is pretty equivalent to the .357 Mag. That makes for a nice autoloader round. Personally, I stopped carrying my 10mm when I realized that the time I thought I was going to need to use it, it would have made my grandchildren deaf. I immediately switched back to the 9mm, which doesn't even make my ears ring. For civilian carry, 9mm. For going to battle, I'll take the 10mm.
"if not ever so slightly better" - How??? It delivers less energy with a lower sectional density at a lower velocity. Max loading to max loading, the .357 is noticeably more powerful than the 10mm.
@bilbonob548 I stand by my statement. Both Underwood hottest ammo for each. Underwood is one of the (if not the) hottest ammos available. .357 mag 125g 1600fps 710 ft-lbs .357 mag 158gr 1475 fps 763 ft-lbs 10mm 155gr 1500fps 775 ft-llbs
@@cornpop7805 You understand everyone can check underwoods own figures right? You aren't comparing like for like. You just went from arbitrary bullet selection to arbitrary bullet selection. You could have just as easily shown the 125g @ XTP JHP @ 802 ft.lbs for the .357 vs the 115gr xdefender of the 10mm @ 738ft.lbs. Or you could have compared the 155gr 10mm vs the 158g .357 magnum (670ft.lbs -10mm vs 790ft.lbs - .357 mag). The .357 is more powerful, no amount of misrepresentation of loadings will change the advantage in case capacity the .357 has. The hottest .357 is hotter than the hottest 10mm - that much is obvious on underwoods site, when you start encorporating other fullhouse boutique manufacturers it becomes even more apparent.
@bilbonob548 I went from the Ballistics 101 website, where both were the hottest shown there. There's no need for righteous indignation because no deception was intended.
@@cornpop7805 Fair enough, so then the website is wrong, as I just listed multiple from underwoods own website that were hotter. Either way, both cartridges have equivalent wall thicknesses, so actual pressures are determined more by the firearm - a full frame revolver can safely handle original spec .357 magnum. Again, the case capacity advantage is inevitably going to favor the .357.
I'm happy with the results for the .357, that should be good enough for anything I'll run into. I have two handguns in .357, a SP101 2 1/4" and a Blackhawk 6 1/2". Thinking of getting a Henry levergun in .357
It might be too late, but I wouldnt buy a Henry. I got one and it is tied with a Mossberg shotgun, that can shoot three different size loads, for being my worst gun buys. It cost more than regular rifles and sucks. It doesnt load the rounds well, especially if you go slow when using the lever. My uncle got one and he never uses his either. The best rifle I own is my grandfather's marlin. Unknown amount of rounds through it and I cant think of a single time it jammed. Just a great built gun. Only thing that has ever broke on it was the front sight somehow came undone. It just has black electrical tape on it now and it still shoots great.
Barrel length makes a big impact on the performance of calibers like 357 magnum, 44 magnum or larger. A 5 " barrel on a 357 mag revolver would be more equal in comparing to the 4.6" barrel 10 mm semi Glock. 5" or more is when the 357 really starts to shine. Using equal grain Underwood or Double tap ammo in each. A S&W 686 Plus with 5" barrel is on my shopping list.
I have a S&W Model 66, which I have actually used in self defense, which is an old friend that I love and a recently aquired new Python, both awsome. For the 10mm, I think my Glock 20 is tough to beat, but I know a lot of guys like the long slide.
IOW, .357 penetrated farther and created a more damaging wound channel than did the 10mm, in both loadings. It's called a Magnum cartridge for a reason. But, it's apples to oranges. The only commonly developed auto ctg. that exceeds the .357 is the .50 AE.
Alright Kentucky I've watched a few of your videos now and you've earned a sub. Just as good as those other gun channels but mainly for handling a s&w 500 like a man.
I love my S&W Model 66-1 combat magnum. It's one of those classic revolvers from the 70's during S&W's hayday. It's an extremely well made revolver that is extremely accurate and reliable.
Gonna go with 357mag for multiple reasons. More guns chambered in it, wider ammo selection, better ammo availability and longer estabilished track record of effectiveness are just a few
My S&W model 19 4" barrel is my personal favorite sidearm. It's the only firearm of mine that is not in the safe. Great job with the shooting the table bit, funny stuff...
One quick suggestion: Buffalo Bore has a 180 grain hard-cast lead SWC load for the .357 mag. that travels over 1400 fps out of a 4" barrel. It has a gas check and never leaded my barrel in the least, and penetrates way beyond what you would normally expect from the .357! Give them a try. You will be surprised! God bless you and yours and keep up the great work!
Hey guys! I wanted to apologize about not posting a video last week. I normally post a video every week, but I had too much on my plate last week and wasn’t able to post. I hope you can forgive me! Thanks for watching and thanks for the support!
Kentucky ballistic not a problem do what you can when you can greetings from UK England Essex great video but your having a FUBAR day lol shot your table 2 times. 💕🐺👌🔫
Kentucky Ballistics that means you gotta post 2 this week lol
125gr & 158gr XTP vs gold dot 125gr & 158gr BOTH by Underwood.
Kentucky Ballistics I swear if you do that 13-14 more times I'm unsubscribing 😆
Kentucky Ballistics thanks you for anything you get a chance to post, love your channel brother keep up the awesome videos
Crazy how Scott went from calm to insane in a few years 😂
Loud = entertaining for kids. Most of RUclips is comprised of kids so it only makes business sense.
not kids, just likely to keep atention rather than reading from a script for example @@StuninRub
After almost 100 years 357 still takes the cake
Great video - thanks! As I have mentioned in my own videos, the 10MM and the 357 Mag are my two favorite rounds. This test simply confirms this along with the use of heavier loads in each when it come to anything beyond two legged predictors.
Lol, video reactions:
357 fans: "this is why I like the 357"
10mm fans: "this is why I like the 10mm"
Me "there are no wrong answers....."
I shot the table......again. Glad you left that in. Really made me smile.
Lol! You’re welcome.
Looking back at this, Scott's channel has greatly evolved!
I honestly think they are equals. I’m not sure if it’s what Cooper intended, but I see the 10mm as the semi auto equivalent to .357 Magnum. When both are loaded to full potential, they have nearly identical energy levels. I love both it really just comes down to revolver vs semi auto. I think these two calibers are the absolute best options for people who want the most power possible while still maintaining practicality in a carry gun.
I agree, these calibers are literally neck and neck in terms of on paper energy. I would only add that those who trust in grains of lead would favor 10mm, and those who put their faith in grains of powder would see an advantage in 357. Luckily Ruger chambered their Gp100 in 10mm auto. (You couldn't get it into the L frame, S&W?) So I can enjoy both.
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Love your reviews bud! Thank you for confirming that 357. And 10mm are pretty comparable, i'm more of a wheelgun guy these days but either platform would leave me feeling safe in the backcountry. Capacity is nice but simplicity of a revolver and 6, or 7 rounds is nice too. Reloads on revolvers aren't as terrible as everyone makes it out to be, practice makes progress.
Agree 💯
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What people generally misunderstand, IMO, is that a large wound cavity isn't what makes 10mm such a revered round. It's how far it carries its energy. A 9mm can make a nasty wound cavity, as well, but the energy it carries dissipates pretty quickly. It's like the difference between a sports car and a semi truck. One has a lot of horsepower, while the other one has a lot of torque. What would you prefer, a wound channel that expands and then tapers down to a tiny hole or a wound channel that's as wide from the start to the end?
I do a search for 10mm vs. .357 magnum in 2023 and I find this old video of Scott doing a test.
No tactical T-rex.
No tables being deliberately shattered.
No watermelon.
No egg plants.
Excellent science.
Your channel has really evolved over the years. It is fun to see.
It's devolved in my opinion
That table brought that shit on itself.
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I prefer 357. Been carrying a 686+ on my hip for about 7 years. As far as versatility goes with handgun cartridges that are fairly common, I think 357 is where it’s at. Thanks for the vid!
That's the first time I've ever seen digital scale used for anything other than cocaine. Who knew?
I don't have a 10 mm..but my .357 Mag is a Ruger GP-100..tough as they come..very accurate.
Yes Ruger 357 GP100 with buffalo bore 180 gr JHP - 1500 fps and 900 foot-pounds muzzle energy!
Thats one thing ive heard everybody say that their 357 revolvers are their most favorite in their collection.
So with almost a 3/4 inch shorter barrel and relatively same grain. The 357 magnum appears to be slightly more powerful as in greater velocity more energy etc. But then of course you offset that with the fact the 10 mm can carry quite a few more rounds. I like both rounds and my carry is a 357 gp100. So between the slightly more powerful 357 and more fire power 10 mm. I think it comes down to whether you like revolver or semi auto.
I like carrying my GP100. Will never Jam, more accurate (for me), and I can break a skull with a pistol whip if it comes down to it lol.
The 10mm is a little bigger in diameter than the 357 and can expand a little wider the 357 produces better velocity because it should have a better BC because it's smaller in diameter though you can't really go wrong with either because they both have a very broad range of different weights you can mess around with but yeah it does basically come down to if you like a semi auto or revolver more this video shows how similar the 2 are though both heavy rounds penetrated really deep and the 2 light ones penetrated about ideal if I want more power than 9mm or 40 these are my 2 rounds of choice
if you ever shoot that thing without ear protection, they are gonna ring for a week
remember you can just get the 357sig glock 32..
Thanks for your response. I saw a post by someone else about a .44 Special, Hornady 165 grain defense round and decided to change to that for home protection, from my .45 long Colt semi-wad cutter. Without you RUclips guys, it would be very hard to find a cartridge that we think would be best for our needs. Great job!
Officer: "Are you dealing drugs son?" KB: "No, that's to weigh my bullets. " LOL
10mm is one of my favorite calibers, the amount of versatility it has is uncommon for semi-auto handguns. If we're talking duty/defense oriented shooting, Tangfolio 10mm models are my pick. They aren't the prettiest or the nicest guns out there, but if you need a work horse carry pistol that won't break the bank they are solid choices. I like Wilson Combat's XTP load for 10mm, warmer than what Hornady loads (I think they shy away from loading higher pressures in calibers meant for it like 10mm and 357 Sig) but still manageable recoil. Damn shame Federal doesn't load their HST in 10mm, because I'd love to see that.
.357 Magnum does have a lot of merit to it, especially in more anti-gun states as revolvers bypass lots of anti-gun laws like magazine capacity bans. The Federal Barnes Expander round is definitely my favorite in that caliber, regardless of what kind of platform you push it through that bullet penetrates deeply and blows up nice and big. With proper training and intelligent decision making, I don't think anybody can go wrong with either caliber.
Dang he bulked up HUGE since then
@@goldenglazed3767 i believe it 🤣🫡
Dude I had the same thought, I came to the comments to see if anybody was talking about it 😂
All jokes aside I like them both also. I think the only way to solve the Dilemma is to own one of each. You can never have too many guns.
I love both. 220 grain hardcast 10mm Underwood is a fucking ridiculous load. It will blow through a moose with a nasty wound cavity. I carry it as my sidearm in parker CO, where there's a lot of bears where I camp. 16 rounds of that gives me a better sense of security vs only 6 in my single shot 44mag.
do you think that 10mm would work on The Shape?
My daily carry is the Ruger SP101 in .357 mag. Some people have told me it's too heavy for their carry gun, but I've had it for so long I don't even notice it anymore. Besides, I used to carry the Beretta M9 while I was in the Army and that's even heavier so the weight doesn't bother me at all. I actually like it since it is a .357 mag and helps with the recoil.
I have the 3" version of the SP101. It's great. I don't see how it's weight is that big of an issue, it's reasonably light. People will complain about anything I guess.
.357 is the BEST caliber ever invented..just one man's opinion..
God bless AMERICA..👍🏻🇺🇲
No that would be .44 magnum
Well,I must admit ,knowing that you guys in the USA can buy what ever and where ever you want, Im very much jelous from my perspective.
In my Country,357 is available,at least practice level ammo, but 10mm AUTO ammo ...hardly.
So,here,if you want eficient handgun for "God forbid" situation on four legs...choose 357 and practice.
A lot.
By the years,I learned to rely on my shooting skill under stress and,if I don t stop bear with 5 piece of well placed 158 Hydra Shok ,how much I have in my Ruger SP-101 .. story over.
Not only because "only " 5 shots but also because time.
I believe,knowing the speed of brown bear moving ( 60km/h) it s very questionable how manny shots would anyone have time to shoot good.
Precise. To be acountable.
Time IS passing during usage of your handgun, revolver or pistol, it s all the same.
So I truly believe that 10mm AUTO, 357 Magnum,45ACP ..they will all do the job as much as handgun cartidge can,but ...put the right thing in the countable place and do it as fast as possible.
I apologise for gramacy mistakes.My English is not perfect.
I carried a S&W 1076 for years and I have seen the real world shooting with one. The round travelled through a car door and totally destroyed the bad guys hand that was reaching for a handgun under his seat.
DANG!
"I shot the table" "I shot the table AGAIN!!"
I have to give FULL CREDIT to a guy who is humble enough to admit (twice) that he did something pretty jerky and incompetent. We all need to just CALM DOWN and stop always trying to look "right" and being better than others. We do the best we can, and present our information -- that's how it should be. I'm going to TRUST the information and lack of agenda of anybody who readily admits it when he screws up and looks silly. Thanks for all you excellent ballistics info!
Good lesson in how sectional density of bullets is overlooked when judging a cartridge's power. However, bullet construction is just as important as a factor.
Last comment on this... With 10mm you're getting a lot of bang for your buck. A superb balance of firepower and capacity in pistol form.
Ruger RedHawk 8 shot .357 magnum. Legendary and a beautiful gun!
10mm is a good round but ill take 357 all day
.357 is less powerful
@@zoggrog8823 I have a 357 Magna I have never had any complaints From anything I ever shot It does have better penetration though So I can shoot 3 people The 10 mm can only shoot through 3 and a 1/2
I could never pick a favorite between these 2. I do however think the .357 is definitely a more versatile performer. I remember back in my silhouette days loading 180 and 200gr bullet at velocities far beyond what I'd attempt in a 10mm pistol, although the S&W 610 being an N-frame could probably get there without issue. As far a favorites go, in the past in .357 my 4" 586 would have been my first choice hands down! It was not only my first handgun purchase but also my first EDC, hunting handgun and silhouette revolver. But since I bought my Coonan, with it's closed breach it takes the velocity of a 5" gun to another level! All while reducing recoil considerably. In 10 mm it's again a tough call. It's ALWAYS been my 1006. I bought the first one I saw after a disappointing experience with an early Delta Elite. It's performed flawlessly since day one. But I recently put together a 10mm commander that shoots lights out and to date is about 900 rds in without a single malfunction. So in both cases it's a pick em!
357 has always been a good contender! Just imagine that in a carbine!
My first wife used a Marlin lever gun in .357. It's pretty good for deer up to 50 yards and recoil is like a .22.
I love how you don't edit out your misses and worry about all the commandos criticizing you.
.357 can penetrate a little deeper but 10mm can hit slightly harder. About an even match. Underwood vs. Underwood is the perfect match
The standard load for 10mm is 180gr. I would like to have seen that load.
Slightly? Your average 10mm load is 200-300 ft lbs more powerful. Hard cast 10mm loads will also penetrate deeper than 357
The advantage of the 10 is the semi auto platform that can hold 15 rounds. 357 is a bit more potent but it's close. Advantge 10 mil for capacity
Plus recoil is much better!
10mm full-house loads are ever so slightly more potent. Let's just say the two are comparable.
Ahhhhh...the early days of KB. Still a cool video, Scotty!
Thanks for being consistent with the ammo manufacturer across the board.
I cringe when I hear folks talk about how a 10mm is close to a .41 mag in performance. False.
10mm is very close to the .357 as you’ve shown. In either caliber you can find ammo whereby one outperforms the other because they (the calibers) are close in performance to begin with.
I too, own and actually carry both. Love them both. I carry Buffalo Bore in both. Serious power - in both. My favorite .357 is the Ruger LCR and and the Springfield XDM Compact 10mm and the Glock 29SF, 10mm. All three guns have Buff Bore and are amazingly powerful rounds - but the 10mm’s are not close to a .41! Interesting item to note that in using the most powerful ammunition made, the .357 is the most powerful of the two calibers.
But, the key is the quality and performance of the ammo. I personally do not carry hollow points because I want deep penetration. While the empirical data shows energy and muzzle velocity - I can tell you that the penetration of the 10mm is measured in feet, not inches. The heavier 10mm round will provide better wound channel damage and deeper penetration with Hard Cast. Also better weigh retention, as your test showed with the hollow points. 10 mm gives more rounds compared to the revolver. Ultimately it comes down to the mission - where you are carrying the gun and what you expect to encounter and how many targets you could encounter and how many missed shots you can afford before empty. Both cartridges will stop a bear with the PROPER shot placement, literally. Both are great calibers.
As a side note, I use Underwood Xtreme Penetrators in my .45 Colt. Amazing ammo and weight retention. Also use it in my 9mm’s.
Great content!!!
It's not entirely incorrect to say that it equals SOME .41 magnum loads. Hell, in terms of energy, some .357 loads can outperform a number of .41 magnum loads too. But at top end power, yeah, the .41 magnum still seriously overpowers both.
The loads that they've developed for both the .357 and the 10mm are pretty insane.
10mm is my favorite semi auto handgun round. .357 is my favorite round hands down.
Happily carrying a new 686+ 3" for 7 months now. Remington 158g sjhp. Old school and sweet.
One of the most impressive gel test videos that I've ever seen was of an Underwood .357 Sig 125 gr JHP shot through a Glock 31. The expansion started at about 3/4 inch in and carved a large permanent cavity out to about 9 inches, with a tapering channel to the end of travel at about 18 inches. This looked to me like true .357 Magnum terminal ballistics in a semi-auto pistol.
357 just does what was made for - taking care of business w/o any hesitation. Small 3 inch 357 for EDC is super weapon! 10mm is great but less pistol choices than the 357 platforms out there…
I thought about this a lot when trying to chose a bear gun. When it comes down to it there is only 2 real benefits to the .357 revolver. A .357 can be had for hundreds less than any 10mm on the market (Taurus .357), and it can shoot lighter .38 special loads. The glock 29 or 20 benefits are a larger diameter bullet with slightly better ballistics (after all 10mm is basically a .41 magnum when loaded hot, a step up from .357 mag), a better trigger in a self defense situation (single action vs double action of a revolver which is a heavier pull), it holds more rounds (twice as many for the small glock 29 vs a 5 rd revolver), and it has a little less perceived recoil than a revolver in my opinion. I am definitely not shitting on a .357 as a bear gun, and certainly not as a self defense gun, but I do think in almost every category the 10mm wins. Especially as a woods gun.
Don't feel bad about the table, my John wick wanna be buddy just shot my chronograph with his new tacti-cool crap
357 first 6 inches is devastating
That’s what she said
Great video!
Love that you didn’t edit out shooting the table. We all make mistakes👍🏻
Wake me up when the 357 has a mag cap of 15+1
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Los5513 can't shoot a glock lol
Ios5513 what a half assed abortion
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It’s sad seeing people try to top what is obviously a perfect burn
Skye Michael perfect burn? That sounded like a 10 year old that learned a new curse word mate
Love both cartridges, S&W M&P 8 shot revolver with 5" barrel is my favourite. Here in Canada, we are restricted to 10 shots in our handguns, so the 8 shots is not much of an issue. Love the revolvers balance, aiming sights, recoil damping weight, accessory rail, color, everything...
The reputation of the 357 was made with the 125grn hp..you should have used that.
I've seen emergency room footage and read the the results of many state police who used the 357.
The terminal ballistics are not only effective..theyre gory.
A shot in the chest cavity with the federal c357b 125 grn for example typically leaves a golf ball to baseball size hole on exit and blows out lung and heart tissue.
Just say in the 357's track record is unrivaled as far as one shot stops
P. Tigris he did use a 125 grain hollow point.
Edward Duran and the Underwood ammo he used is possibly closer to what the Remington 125 gr scalloped SJHP used to be. A lot of people believe factory ammo by Remington, Federal and Winchester have toned down the 125 gr in recent decades
10mm is basically a magnum cartridge for auto loaders
A clay ballistic test between the 10mm vs the 45 super, both using underwood ammo. 165 gr and 200 gr respectively for the 10mm, and the 185gr and the 230 gr for the 45 super. May need to increase the recoil spring of the 45 acp pistol to at least a 20 pound spring. I use a 20 pound spring on my H&K USP.
I'm a crime/mystery writer and I found this to be a great video and very helpful. Thanks for taking the time to give so much information :-)
Adding that Will F clip after you hit the table gave me a good laugh, thanks.
Excellent vid, thanks for taking the time to make it.
I like 357 revolvers..always have and always will...love my Ruger GP100 4" stainless
I have a 627 Tracker in .357 Magnum and a Rock Island mid sized 1911 in 10mm love both calibers.
C MJ The 627 is amazing. Some hate on TAURUS but I have a Smith 686 357magnum and the TRACKER is nipping at its heels... Almost shoulder to shoulder. And in some ways better. I have Glock 19,s and several other ( Name Brand ) Handguns but my 357 is my Hop along Cassidy survival gun lol
I really like both calibers, you cant go wrong with either.
Thank you, Scott. I had pondered the two myself and now I know. Buying a .357 soon with a four inch barrel.
You acted so calm and proper back then. You are so much better now 😎🤟🏼🇺🇸
it would be great if you did this same test, but with non-hollow point, hardcast ammo. that's what most people would use if you're in the backcountry (animal defense).
Watching this old video makes me realize Scott used to be a 9mm, now he’s a big 44 magnum stud. (No Diddy)
I have to give you credit - most RUclipsrs would edit out the two table shots; a testimonial to your honesty to leave it in and give us all a smile. I do wonder this: a bullet striking low in a gel block has the weight of the gel above, and an immovable table surface below; a bullet striking high in a gel block has only a small percentage of the gel above, probably leading to a greater apparent temporary wound cavity size. It would be interesting to compare identical rounds in a gel block - one hitting low (but above the table (;-)) and one hitting high to see if, in slo-mo, there was any difference in TWC size. Seems like there should be.
I've got 2 - 357's, and 3 - 10 mm's, both are quite formidable caliber, however I really like the 10 mm better. The larger diameter bullets cause it to dump its energy a lot faster causing much more shock to soft tissue. Not to mention much higher capacity.
Holy the results were so close!!! Basically either one is great!
I love my 6" Python I have had it since late 70s. Maybe last gun I give away to family before I go see my maker.
S&W 686 plus talo 5in barrel with underwood or hot ammo! Love 10mm also, just love the wheel gun a little more!
I love current Kentucky, but I still miss the cartridge comparisons from these old videos.
I like both caliber's can't go wrong either way.
Picked up my Glock 29 yesterday. shot it today. I've never shot a 10mm im used to 9mm however, not too bad at all its definitely snappy but follow up shots are not bad at all. My new carry gun that packs a punch. Seeing this video 10mm can rival 357 and hold more rounds with heavier lead.
Never shot a 10mm but I really like my Model 28 Highway Patrolman in .357 magnum.
me too man my favorite revolver and pistol I own!!!
I love my new 686+ and my model 19-3, classics
.357 Magnum is a great round. I bought a Smith and Wesson model 19-4 4inch barrel for $300, I fucking love it. Also, I can run .38 special through it.
psychothefear Revolver though ?. I think that's where the 10mm has a Advantage. You can buy a glock that holds 14. Rounds of 10mm. Good for carry and home Defense and back up for hunting.
If 357 mag. Had a semi Automatic gun.. that would be bad ass
There's a Desert Eagle chambered in .357 Magnum, you are welcome
S&W 686-6 357 Magnum and Glock 40. I like the long barrel. Thanks for the video.
Suffice it to say, 10mm is pretty equivalent to the .357 Mag.
That makes for a nice autoloader round.
Personally, I stopped carrying my 10mm when I realized that the time I thought I was going to need to use it, it would have made my grandchildren deaf. I immediately switched back to the 9mm, which doesn't even make my ears ring.
For civilian carry, 9mm. For going to battle, I'll take the 10mm.
"if not ever so slightly better" - How??? It delivers less energy with a lower sectional density at a lower velocity. Max loading to max loading, the .357 is noticeably more powerful than the 10mm.
@bilbonob548
I stand by my statement.
Both Underwood hottest ammo for each. Underwood is one of the (if not the) hottest ammos available.
.357 mag 125g 1600fps 710 ft-lbs
.357 mag 158gr 1475 fps 763 ft-lbs
10mm 155gr 1500fps 775 ft-llbs
@@cornpop7805 You understand everyone can check underwoods own figures right? You aren't comparing like for like. You just went from arbitrary bullet selection to arbitrary bullet selection.
You could have just as easily shown the 125g @ XTP JHP @ 802 ft.lbs for the .357 vs the 115gr xdefender of the 10mm @ 738ft.lbs. Or you could have compared the 155gr 10mm vs the 158g .357 magnum (670ft.lbs -10mm vs 790ft.lbs - .357 mag).
The .357 is more powerful, no amount of misrepresentation of loadings will change the advantage in case capacity the .357 has. The hottest .357 is hotter than the hottest 10mm - that much is obvious on underwoods site, when you start encorporating other fullhouse boutique manufacturers it becomes even more apparent.
@bilbonob548
I went from the Ballistics 101 website, where both were the hottest shown there. There's no need for righteous indignation because no deception was intended.
@@cornpop7805 Fair enough, so then the website is wrong, as I just listed multiple from underwoods own website that were hotter. Either way, both cartridges have equivalent wall thicknesses, so actual pressures are determined more by the firearm - a full frame revolver can safely handle original spec .357 magnum. Again, the case capacity advantage is inevitably going to favor the .357.
PLEASE keep making videos. You are awesome and I love your information videos.
I'm happy with the results for the .357, that should be good enough for anything I'll run into. I have two handguns in .357, a SP101 2 1/4" and a Blackhawk 6 1/2". Thinking of getting a Henry levergun in .357
It might be too late, but I wouldnt buy a Henry. I got one and it is tied with a Mossberg shotgun, that can shoot three different size loads, for being my worst gun buys. It cost more than regular rifles and sucks. It doesnt load the rounds well, especially if you go slow when using the lever. My uncle got one and he never uses his either. The best rifle I own is my grandfather's marlin. Unknown amount of rounds through it and I cant think of a single time it jammed. Just a great built gun. Only thing that has ever broke on it was the front sight somehow came undone. It just has black electrical tape on it now and it still shoots great.
Nice to see 125g in 357mag performance. Its what I put in mine for edc.
Barrel length makes a big impact on the performance of calibers like 357 magnum, 44 magnum or larger. A 5 " barrel on a 357 mag revolver would be more equal in comparing to the 4.6" barrel 10 mm semi Glock. 5" or more is when the 357 really starts to shine. Using equal grain Underwood or Double tap ammo in each. A S&W 686 Plus with 5" barrel is on my shopping list.
Wow, old school! Roosters instead of t-rexes, no intentional table damage and no sound effects. 😁
"Ok! Were gonna start with a 357 magnum" I just smiled at that point😁and seing that beautiful smith & wesson just made my day.
I have a S&W Model 66, which I have actually used in self defense, which is an old friend that I love and a recently aquired new Python, both awsome. For the 10mm, I think my Glock 20 is tough to beat, but I know a lot of guys like the long slide.
Do you mind telling the story? I love my model 66 as well
I like them both as well but I favor the .357 magnum just slightly cuz I’m a revolver guy but that’s just me
I too like the Smith and Wesson for the 357 Mag. For the 10mm, I like the Springfield XDM.
So funny to watch this, 6 years after... :D
357 mag my favorite all around caliber
IOW, .357 penetrated farther and created a more damaging wound channel than did the 10mm, in both loadings. It's called a Magnum cartridge for a reason.
But, it's apples to oranges. The only commonly developed auto ctg. that exceeds the .357 is the .50 AE.
I'm proud of you for leaving your misses in the video.
Cade Johnson He didn’t miss, just didn’t put ballistic gel there.... lol!
Alright Kentucky I've watched a few of your videos now and you've earned a sub. Just as good as those other gun channels but mainly for handling a s&w 500 like a man.
Thanks and thanks for subscribing!
Only ever shot 357 in my GP100, but there is no way in hell I'd wanna get hit by any of those rounds used here! Love your material!
I love my S&W Model 66-1 combat magnum. It's one of those classic revolvers from the 70's during S&W's hayday. It's an extremely well made revolver that is extremely accurate and reliable.
Me too. I'm lucky everytime i pulled it out for protection my targets disappeared, without firing a shot.
Mine i think is a 66-4 w/4" barrel.
Gonna go with 357mag for multiple reasons. More guns chambered in it, wider ammo selection, better ammo availability and longer estabilished track record of effectiveness are just a few
love the 357 mag great distance as well
So what your saying is a 10mm and 357 will f up a gel monster?
That was great. I keep 3 357 magnum’s and 2 10mmGlock pistols. These are my favorite caliber’s
My S&W model 19 4" barrel is my personal favorite sidearm. It's the only firearm of mine that is not in the safe. Great job with the shooting the table bit, funny stuff...
I like them both. Good round. I carry one or the other as a backup when bow hunting hogs.
357 mag all the way
In 10mm i gotta go with the Colt Delta Elite.
357 i gotta go with the COONAN!
Good job bro, like always nice vids!
Great video! I guess I'm old school.. I have a six inch model 27 (.357 mag) that I've owned since 1977 that I just love.
Nothing wrong with that.
One quick suggestion: Buffalo Bore has a 180 grain hard-cast lead SWC load for the .357 mag. that travels over 1400 fps out of a 4" barrel. It has a gas check and never leaded my barrel in the least, and penetrates way beyond what you would normally expect from the .357! Give them a try. You will be surprised! God bless you and yours and keep up the great work!
I would question that velocity! If true, they are way over pressure limit on most 357's.