Instead of producing this Avatar remake, Netflix should instead put cameras into their board meetings so we can watch Netflix’s executives act like total morons.
Lmao fr 😂 but tbh i doubt that headline was true , because there's no shot. They are making the show grounded so sokka or at least someone would have to bring up gender wars.
Not only is Sokka's sexism his flaw, it's also a natural overreaction to trauma he has experienced. He wanted to protect the rest of the tribe and especially Katara as best as he could. Taking his development and healing away from him is a damn shame.
Was he not literally the only male in the village that wasnt a toddler? Assigned to protect the women? Of course his views are skewed, thats the entire point of the Kyoshi warriors arc. Its also the reason Katara found Aang anyway, because he pissed her off with a sexist rant.
The point if it is to show how wrong he is and it a form of it where it's a guy who don't realize he a bad person for a thing and also as he grow the audience is the women are capable as men in doing alot of things and how genders role are bs
@@USSAnimeNCC- gender roles arent bs per say. there is truth in that each gender excells at certain things. mysoginy however just like misandry assumes that the targeted gender is incapable of MOST things which is just untrue.
@@PeePsImAnyeah, I’d say gender roles only become a problem if they’re forced. If I have to be a stay at home mom, that’s an issue. If I choose to be bc that’s the role I feel I fill best, that’s fine. Part of what can be so bad about it is that some people have very rigid ideas of what women do vs. what men do, and there’s no room for personal strengths or individual choice. If the roles are treated as general ideas rather than individual requirements, it can work out well. There were definitely some forced gender roles in the show though, as well as characters trying to tear them down.
Corporations don't have nuance, they don't understand sending a message through a character's growth and flaws, if a character has a trait it's solely because the show runners endorse it.
This is something I’ve been hating about adulthood tbh. To make it more “mature” you gotta add violence, sex, and swear words. But to make things really more mature, you bring mature topics to the table. That’s why atla was so good! It did bring mature topics to the table and executed them amazingly. This is all making me roll my eyes and honestly making me angry
Dude don't be angry because of a headline of an article you never even read. In the full interview, they said they're going to tone the silliness down, not add sex and gore lmao so less goofy faces and wild anime-like expressions that only makes sense in animation (book 1 had a lot more of this than you think). Maybe some blood or burns when its needed because nickelodeon had its own rules with showing injuries, but it's not going to be goreporn. They even recognized the original show having super mature themes as well.
@@VegaNorth I love that term so much. It's agonizing, seeing "adult" cartoons where the only adult thing about it is the language and crude humor/images. Basically a Call of Duty multiplayer voice chat in animated form. ATLA, even for all the kiddy goofiness, comes off as way more mature than a ton of adult animated shows. Sure, you occasionally get a Bojack Horseman, or an Arcane, but those are the exceptions, not the rule.
World: "You need to kill Fire Lord Ozai" Cartoon Aang: "I can't do that! It goes against my beliefs! I need to commune with the past avatars to seek advice" Live Action Aang: *Starts loading assault rifle* "Time to show the Fire Lord my Second Airmendment Rights"
As an aside, I like how communing with previous avatars for their advice *basically* amounted to them telling him 'yeah no you're gonna need to kill him.'
@@talkingweevil3172 yknow I wanna believe that but nowadays with sex and adult humor being as popular as it is and how stupid people are, I actually believe they would do something like this.
Ever since 2019, always the same! Couldn’t keep their hands out of the cash drawer! But not our Netflix? Couldn’t be precious Netflix! Stealing them blind! And they get to be America’s most commonly used streaming platform?! What a sick joke!
@@racool911from what I’ve read, original author held on to creative control with an iron grip, so it wasn’t Netflix learning from past but the authors😂
Sokka being sexist is as important as Katara fighting against sexism. They are BOTH products of their culture. Sokka’s sexism was born from literally being told he had to protect his home because he was the only guy left in the village. He was too young to join the war but still the oldest child. He took that and internalised that. Katara and Sokka showed us both sides of the trauma of sexism on both genders of kids. Sokka’s sexism is such an amazing thing to be in a kids show because it shows his growth.
Also Sokka was only 15 years old at the beginning of the journey. It's obvious that he can be immature & don't have a full understanding of things yet.
How on Earth you found a sexism there? All their arc is about family's love. Soka wanted to become stronger too shelter his beloved sister from hardships. Kotaro is a mother type character who wants to take all hardships on herself too help everyone, especially the last family member. It's more about Mother and immature children relationship, who don't understand each others motives. Sexism 😢
@matthhiasbrownanonionchopp3471 I agree. Speaking as a Millenial, when I hear someone throwing around "get in the kitchen and make me a sandwich" language, it just makes me think of Sokka's dumbest moments and makes me realize comedic relief exists in real life in the form of these jokers.
That's okay, because now we get to have modern day "girl power" where Katara acts like a snarky bitch for no reason. As someone who used to advocate for more women in media, I'm getting the slightest touch bit tired of media assuming tough only comes in one feminine variant of catty and standoffish.
It wasn't even bad sexism, it was simply spawned from his sense of responsibility and ignorance, and nothing to do with moral or otherwise superiority.
I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt when I first heard the news. Like, maybe they had something else planned for his character arc and didn’t want to go with a relatively basic arc. Earlier, I read an article earlier where a showrunner said that they changed it because Netflix corporate was worried about him being too “unlikeable” and just went “welp, jokes on me for having hope.”
The sidetracking was like 90% of the anime. It felt more like a journey. Not everything had to be about beating the final boss. Ozai was more of a tool for the Gaang to go and experience different cultures and people. Ozai wasn't even that crazy of a villain. He was a big bad who wanted to control the world...i mean you can't get more cliché than that.
It wasn’t really sexism given that his whole life were he grew up men were the hunters, warriors, and providers. He never had anyone challenging that idea because no one ever came to his village. But what do you know the FIRST time he finds out that women are capable of being warriors, providers, and hunters he doesn’t dispute it. He doesn’t get hateful of them for being better. He humbled himself and asks them to train him in the arts they have learned. He respects their traditions by wearing their clothing while learning their style of combat. Had he truly been sexist he would’ve never accepted them being better or having to wear a “girls outfit”.
i really do dare the producers to have aang be willing to kill; they've already trashed a central character trait of his so might as well trash his moral code too!
@dragonlover7196 they show that "this isn't your grandma's aang" by having him windmill kick Zhao into a fine mist, and then taking a bite of a huge Carls Jr Cheeseburger. Oh- and why not do product placement? Might as well at this point, right?
Netflix writers seem to have an hatred towards pre-existing mediums. They admitted to actively trying to ruin The Witcher and now they're doing everything in their power to take away what makes Avatar such a success
@@NigerianCrusader Would rather NOT want the guy who wants to date his daughter and is an indicted felon in the Oval Office, please. Would rather at least SURVIVE for four more years under Biden than the entire country go to hell before then under him.
Funny that they nailed feminism in a way that I don't see any shows doing in the past 10 years. It's usually "I'm tough, just as tough as any guy! Tougher even! Look how great this show treats women!", when they should be treated like any other person and judged by their character, being strong and feminine are not opposites and Suki's line illustrates that perfectly
they do not like character development, they don't like it if there's a story where a sexist person later on learns that he was wrong for being a sexist. A story that can teach kids and adults that being sexist is bad and wrong, and they are like... "nope, its too much for people to handle, lets remove it"
According to leaks the reason they left is because they wanted to change almost everything about the show to where it was barely recognizable but Netflix didn’t let them.
@@bananas244 Why can I only find atricles saying the exact opposite? Happen to have a source for those leaks. Cause all i'm reading is that the changes netflix are doing are what made them step away.
Funny thing is Netflix had the perfect chance to appeal to GoT fans with The Witcher after the disaster that season 8 was. Yet they still fumbled that.
So many producers want to cash in on the demand for "something like GoT" but they don't understand why people actually liked GoT or why it was good. And instead they produce insulting slop like Netflix's "The Witcher".
@@Swedishmafia101MemeCorporation unlike season 7-8 of GoT, Netflix had access to all the source material for The Witcher, and they still couldn’t deliver.
Agreed. Theres NOTHING that can compare to Game of Thrones at this point. It's it's own show that is very very difficult to recreate. Hence why they made a prequel, because it's just impossible.
Sokka’s sexism came not just from his own trauma and trying to fill his father’s shoes, but also the fact that Water Tribe culture is very strict re: gender roles. This showed that although the Fire Nation were the bad guys each nation still had its own flaws and issues. Plus, by showing a likeable main character overcoming their prejudices, it does a better job teaching kids to not be prejudiced than by just having the villains be prejudiced.
Suki's entire introduction is thrown off too without Sokka's sexism...it's a big character flaw that I've always seen as coming from him having to be the man of the tribe (literally singular) since all the older men have left, and it's something he has to be humbled about. His sexism is also echoed in the Northern Tribe when Katara is trying to get trained. Also, yknow, Sokka is the buttmonkey and "look at the sexist idiot" can be an easy haha. I don't see why it would have to be changed since it's very clearly not something the show is putting in a positive light.
this is giving me the vibes that the showrunners are insecure about adapting a cartoon that they think is childish, and are now overcompensating to show how "mature" they are without understanding the appeal of the original. It's also funny that they're showing their own immaturity by dialing down Sokka.
That toning down Sokka’s sexism really goes to show how much they don’t understand the character, in which Sokka isn’t sexist bc he hates women but bc he was raised believing that he needs to protect his sister along with other women who he cares about. They want to villainize him when he was just raised that way
Exactly. He's a fucking child at the start of the show. Literally 12/13 (or 14/15 whatever my point is he was very young and inexperienced life wise at the start of the show) so his mindset and opinions are almost entirety based on influences from his environment and how he was raised. So it makes complete sense why he would think that men are meant to be warriors/protectors and women aren't because that's how his specific community operated during his specific time as a kid. Then once he leaves and experiences life outside of his bubble he realizes "oh shit I was wrong about this topic and women can in fact be just as good, sometimes even better, warriors as men are". Showing a flawed mindset and then allowing a character to grow with time is a great way to teach that type of lesson to kids/teens watching the show.
@@zachrichardson5581no sokka was 17 i believe at the end of the show, we know katara is 16 and sokka is her older brother, but not a man yet (which in itself is weird because if we compare our real earth time counterpart to the last airbender one of aang’s age would already be considered adult)
@@MonyatoWell, Aang was 12 years old, and I'm pretty sure there was only a 2 year difference between him and Katara, so that would make her 14 at the start.
“We want to make this mature and hyper-realistic for ADULTS, but also if funny boomerang man thinks girls are stinky for a few episodes people might think we have Problematic Opinions 😢”
People forget One Piece had Oda essentially supervising like a babysitter who lets the kid play on his phone for a bit. Without such supervision, Netflix will trash any property they get their hands on.
💯💯💯 I’ve been saying this and people were saying oda was never involved. The OP live actions is an alternate timeline that oda wanted to do in the past for the anime but was already set on what he had, so he gave direction and guidance on what was good and what to fill in, I mean baroque works being introduced early was a great example, obviously they didn’t follow the anime but it was enjoyable and also garnered a new audience who might just go watch the anime. That’s EXACTLY how it should be done.
If the original creator or a passionate fan isn't involved forcing Netflix writers everystep of the way to behave themselves the Netflix writers will immediately start ruining everything, Henry Cavil with the Witcher is the best example.
I feel that's what all creators of IP's should do when having their work adapted, watch like a hawk and have the final say. Dmitri Glukhovsky at least trusted people who weren't hacks.
I actually do think of GOT when I think of Avatar, but only because Azula’s descent into madness was the perfect model for how Daenerys’ arch could have gone.
You win there bud the GOT tv series were a dumpster fire but the first 4 seasons were good, ironically the book ASOIAF that the show based on had much better characterization than GOT show.
I’d say avatar is massively better than the show but I’m equal on ATLA and the ASOIAF books, although they’re completely different, so comparing the two is difficult
The absolutely wild thing is, why are companies keep doing this exact same shit? Like 99% of live actions flop and they ALWAYS have the exact the same reasons for failing.
Also sometimes animation just doesn't translate to live action. Remember the Scott Pilgrim movie, and how they used the voices of the exact same actors in an animated series and it was immediately better?
I feel like there's a big issue going on behind the scenes that is starting become more apparent, that lot of media right now is being run by "Millennials" and I mean the most stereotypical version of that word. Piece after piece FLOPPING because of grown man children who never cared about the IP to begin with (Or actively HATE IT) ruin good media and corrode it with their own biases and agendas. They're not trying to be writers or storytellers. That's why so many videogames, movies, shows and comic books in the western space have built a bad reputation😒
As a 28 year old, I learned a long time ago to not expect any live action show to ever be made right. It's always headed by people who feel entitled to make dumb/pointless artistic changes to the show and lore. It's made by people who were never fans of whatever they are directing. It's just their turn in the pecking order to be handed the next big project at whatever studio they're at.
Agreed (as a 20 year old). I always expect live actions of cartoons and other shows to not be even half as decent as the original because the people working on it ALWAYS want to add or take away unnecessary shit.
I only seen one good live action. Japan's live action of Death Note. There were 3. I enjoyed it for the most part... Until the L clone story happened. That made no sense.
Indeed. This old-af 36-year-old learned that lesson watching the OG mario movie in theaters. I was still young and dumb enough to watch it twice though, thinking I'd missed something that made it good. Never again...
@@DrunkenHotei sometimes bad movies are good entertainment because they're bad in an entertaining way, but I feel you. Curious how did you like the new mario movie??
that's a real shame, Sokka's misogyny is a huge flaw of his that we come to learn from the first episode, then he gets a rude awakening meeting the Kyoshi Warriors. And by the end of the franchise? He's much more mature (and that misogyny of his? gone!) sure it's only one bit of his character and essence of his growth from a boy to a man, but it's still so integral to Sokka imo. Why not just rush Zuko's character? Have him turn a new leaf by the end of S1 idk it's bleh
Anyone using the word misogyny I automatically lose all respect for them. They are the same people who say the word "literally" after every sentence. If you're going to be wearing the big boy smarty pants at least learn the definitions of the words you're using. Sokka doesn't hate women. He never did. He loves his family. Even calling it sexism is a reach. Obviously the water tribe never allowed women to be warriors. It's completely normal for a child to assume they can't fight. That's why when a woman kicks his butt its so funny. And that happens a lot.
They said they'll change how sexist he was, not remove it completely. Which means it will not be as cartoonish as it was in the original. Maybe it'll be more nuanced, you know how it usually is in real life? Also his sexist ways last a total of 4 episodes and that's it.
never said it was particularly out of left-field. it's the environment he was raised inafter all, buuut, i'd say there's a slight bit of contempt towards women to some degree. sure he's no andrew tate but he definitely disregards them as formidable fighters (again, not saying this is at all abnormal for someone with his upbringing) but indeed it is very funny when he does eat his own words, every time @@kaloyanivanov885
@@alexshinra6722 i am now imagining some evil guys temple on top of the mountain with an endless staircase leading up to it but just off to the side is a wheelchair ramp.
@@elliottb7009 well that could of been the case but now there not allowed them. Man hero on top of the villian as the battle/roll down the temple wheel chair ramp punching slapping and useing what they have to stab or knock the other off the wheel chair. Ah well.
I get what you mean, but I also have some hope that they wouldn't make a decision that dumb. Like, his scar was literally the result of his father abusing him for protesting a massively unethical military strategy in his presence. Surely they would be able to see the narrative value in that, right?
Meh, the last portions were pretty questionably written, such as the lion turtle and aang getting that bending technique out of nowhere. It's very great, but not perfect.
@@Reset-sm6rgtrue I think the final couple episodes were certainly rushed (they probably weren’t given enough episodes or something who knows) but books one and two and the first half of three are near perfect at least and it sucks that people keep given the chance to improve it and they’re deciding to just change everything.
@Reset-sm6rg nope the last season was perfect. It's actually loads of errors in season 1 tbh and rushing because it was made not expecting to see a season 2 at first.
@@Zlittlepenguin You know how the show ends with "Where's my mother?" Yeah they planned to do an entire season addressing that, there is no doubt they had the rug pulled out from under them and were told to just finish it, similarly to how they did them with Kora
This is a recurring issue with big studios, management, directors and film writers not respecting video game and cartoon story-telling. They think it's all amateur storytelling made for children only. So they have to change it to make it their own and justify their paycheck, ruining it in the process.
If the show is gonna be 8 one hour episodes that's 8 hours, which is technically more than the original, which is 20 episodes, 23 mins each, or 7.7 hours
@@DaMrR3 Not every Netflix show is exactly 60 minutes, most range from 45-50 with the occasional premiere or finale being 60 or more. So with an avg. of 50 mins that'd be 6.66 hours. So...not enough.
Why do these companies never respect the source material is the real question? Like, you have the easiest job. Just adapt the source material in a live action format. You don’t have to change shit around and purposefully piss off fans.
@@VladStopTalking Most egregious example of this were the Halo show creators who were really proud of not having played the games or read any books. Asshats just made that whole show out of what they could glean from box art..
Gotta love that the 'adult version' of something like Last Airbender still needs to have all the adult themes taken out to be suitable for toddlers. To quote Spongebob: "How many times do we need to teach you this lesson, old man?!" Just stop changing things that don't need changing!
They want to appeal to GoT fans because GoT was the most popular TV show ever. They're literally saying "We want to appeal to as many people as possible so we can make bank" in the worst way possible.
I recently saw the article saying that they were going to cut Sokka's sexism from the reboot. I haven't watched the original Avatar series, but I know enough to ask: "Isn't that kind of an important to his character development?" It's like them remaking Iron Man and making it so Tony was at no point an alcoholic.
It was a moment for him to learn that women are perfectly capable of doing things men could, as he grew up believing it was a mans role to protect his tribe. It was also a good idea to have him as a role model to learn from for boys at a young age.
one of his character traits is feeling inadequate. not strong enough to save his tribe, losing his mom, being surrounded by powerful benders, needing be told he's the idea guy and failed the delivery the invasion plan in front of his father. the meat and sarcasm guy.
On top of what the other people have replied with, it’s important to note that 1. It was never even actually that terrible. It was mostly him saying ~“that’s a man’s job, girls shouldn’t be doing that” and ~“yeah I guess that’s pretty good for a *girl* “ And 2. The entire character flaw was more or less resolved within the first like 5 episodes of the show. They stumble across a tribe of people who are protected by warriors who are women and sokka thinks he can beat them in a fight, but is immediately humbled (physically) and asks if they can teach him their ways. After that, he basically has nothing but respect for everyone. In the grand scheme of things, it isn’t even a big plot point. But I would argue it’s a rather important stepping stone for a boy who learns how to grow up and be a real leader.
@@Zlittlepenguin yeah, that's the other thing about the removal of sokkas sexism I'm so surprised about. It lasted a grand total of like, 5 minutes if you think of the show as movie, and establishes character growth.
best take it's a small plot point true but least to me even when I was younger and especially nowadays, I find it an exceptional start for his character. It's a mini arc that gives you a general idea of Sokka, being a goofball but with his own insecurities that manifests as his sexist tendencies that he as a man should have to be in charge and do all these things. Him being humbled and being the bestest of boys after shows a capacity to change and to grow as a person. Cutting that without an adequate replacement or just having him be the hehe funni guy without that minor early characterisation just seems so dumb It's a literal character hook@@Zlittlepenguin
"I didn't spend 10 years in film school to tell someone else's story" Is the general vibe I get. The same reason they wouldn't just adapt manga's into anime they always changed the story around until like the 2000s. It's just hubris you already called it.
The idea of that sentiment baffles me so much. Like, I'm not disagreeing with your point - I think you're probably largely on the nose - but I just cannot understand the kind of person who would feel that way and then *choose* to take an existing story and 'tell it their way' rather than telling *their own story* for fucks sake. Like, if you're adapting an existing series from one media to another, you should strive to keep as many things the same as possible because it is an adaptation of an existing story. You can change things when needed on a case-by-case basis, but you don't get free reign to just do whatever the fuck you want with it and I don't understand why the fuck any of these people would think otherwise. If they wanted to tell their own Avatar story so fucking bad why didn't they pitch their own concept for a story set in the Avatar the Last Airbender universe featuring a unique cast of new characters, following an Avatar from well before Aang's cycle where they can have a full sandbox to do whatever they like. Instead they're going to try and adapt something we already had, already loved, into something new.
@@kitsunekage12 To be fair, they probably don't have a choice -- going for a nostalgia property is waaay more guaranteed to make money than an original one, so they were likely mandated. Otherwise I agree with you, though. If they had a choice, this would be a baffling one to make if they just wanna make their own thing anyways. Edit: Somehow I skipped your last paragraph. That's a great idea
After what they did to Death Note I truly believe its just maliciousness. Like that story is so insanely easy to adapt to a live medium but they just refuse to do it. Culture rot is real and its actively happening.
@@kitsunekage12 maybe its the same emotions as those artist that take existing anime characters and make them black and saying i fixed the character, in question by making them a parody of black people which isnt how black people look and look ugly as fuck. they probably have a ton of hubris and think they can "fix" the show by ruining it with their prejudice that they are smarter and better then everyone even better then the OG creators and think they can fix "flaws" in the story that arent even flaws in the first place and just ruining overall the story itself.
My dad is in his 50's and hes a huge avatar fan. he bought the avatar game for us back when we still had a play station 2. I showed him the trailers for the netlix show and he looked excited, i really hope this series wont let him down.
I like having a different generation like the things i do, i personaly use my 50 years old father to make him watch the garbage shows just to see if someone without all the internet drama in mind can apreciate it. Most of the time he just comes out with a "meh" and never talks about them again lmao
@@Mr.rock3t No I just recognize when shits gonna be weird. I'm willing to bet money it is gonna be some "ThE mEsSaGe" show from the comments they've made. If it's good sure I'll watch it on Netflix but for the first couple episodes I'm sailing the seven seas.
@@Mr.rock3t the original storywriters involved in the show left/were fired because they couldnt agree with what the director wanted to do to the series. and by announcing they want it to be more like Game of Thrones, they've already shat on what the Avatar series is all about. they're removing character development and lessons that would be taught and learned over the course of the series. Since Netflix doesn't look at anything past views and subs, the only way to watch it without influencing that is pirate it, of which i of course don't condone! that would be illegal! if someone does pirate it, they can always go forward and then contribute that view and sub if they deem it worthy. all that aside, for some reason people have some unfathomable stupid desire to try and make shit hyperealistic/edgy to a disgusting degree. game development standards aside, its why Palworld is so popular. because apparently bringing a Purge simulator with slavery and warcrimes to a kids game is fun fun fun! psychopaths.
3:42 ATLA was already mature and took itself seriously. It was grounded, mature, and adult. Being mature and an adult doesn't mean you have to constantly bring out sex and violence, and it doesn't mean you swear and constantly pout. You tell a story. You show, not tell. You know when to laugh, you know when to cry. To be a mature adult means you don't feel a sense of fear or embarrassment from consuming a good story. If one can't recognize the maturity and depth of the story being told and as presented, then you simply are not mature. As CS Lewis put it, “Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.”
Yes, yes, yes! I always refer to this CS Lewis quote when people refer to maturity or being “adult.” I think it encapsulates the true distinction between a childish want to be an adult and truly being one. And a lot of adults miss that mark altogether.
I swear if they just make it adult with “ah yes these characters swear now” I’m going to riot. One of my least favorite trends is taking a kid friendly IP and inserting just a bunch of language in attempt to make it seem more adult, but it really ends up being much more childish than the original source material because of the language. Nothing wrong with language in media, but when it’s gratuitous and unnecessary like in Forespoken it just comes off as immature
Exactly. When I watched it as a I kid I got most of what was going on. But then rewatching it as an adult gave me a whole new appreciation for the show. I've probably watched it like 5 times at this point
CS Lewis put to pen the exact way I felt about these "adult" and "gritty" adaptations that feel an incessant need to shit on the mediums it came from to be seen as valid to their audience. Man put to word thoughts I could never.
More important, _never change a running system_ though I doubt someone ever told them no, who wasn't above their paygrade or could look for a new job the next day.
I don't think you understand that a lot of these companies and show runners are paid to push a political agenda, it's not about thinking the show is great
Avatar fans deserve this crap. I'd watch all the good shows back in the 2000s then Avatar or Invader Zim would come on I'd just boot up the good old n64. screw watching that foster kid toddler crap. I'd rather put up with Disney Channel garbage like Phineas and Ferb. Yuck.
Every time the original creators leave a beloved project I abandon it immediately. Thankfully I wasn't hyped I knew they couldn't help but ruin it like everything else.
Yep don't get why people don't just do this. You know full well that One Piece on Netflix would've been another Cowboy Bee bop if the creator wasn't able too be heavily involved
It’s wild they wanna make ATLA more like GOT meanwhile ripping the sexism out of the show, inadvertently nuking Sokka and Katara’s character development
Netflix writers don't know what a character arc is. I fear Sokka is gonna be dumb, weak and egocentric from ep1 till the end of the show. All of that learning to be humble, strong, confident, a leader, etc is a bit "toxic" for some people nowadays.
Avatar is literally something that is already written and a masterpiece. It’s literally all done and all they have to do is film the thing. Such an easy lay up and for some reason they want to try and make a full court shot. What a disaster
The only thing they messed up is not giving Iroh and the White Lotus more screen time, especially when Sokka was given a pisho (I know I misspelled it) white lotus piece. Could have had something where he learns more about tactics and stuff.
This is literally only for people who think animation is only for kids, that’s it. Even though Avatar is probably one of the most mature “kids” shows out there. It’s maddening.
Avatar was also one of the greatest examples of a cartoon not talking down to it's audience and though it is very kid friendly for a lot of it's runtime, it has enough nuance for teens to be engaged in and enough relatability and depth for adults. It's a perfect all rounder show for everyone, marketed mainly to kids/teens. Has it's issues but it's to me, one of, if not the best cartoon series there is in the west. Plus like Rob said, built on a genocide you don't see but see the aftermath of and there's plenty of other mature bits in there for older audiences. Case in point, Sokka in his tent waiting for Suki and Jet. Kids aren't dumb. *SPOILER* SPOILER: Jet's giga dead but was left pseudo "ambigous", ie no body but we all know and it was later confirmed he's dead.
I like the idea of the show diving into events that we haven't seen in the cartoon. For example the invasion of the Southern Air Temple and the Agni Kai between Zuko and his father. That's a really good way to create something new and fresh while respecting the source material. However, changing major characteristics in the protagonists puts this show on the fast track to being dismissed by the fanbase. It's crazy how studios haven't realized that yet.
Well, they did show the majority of the Agni Kai in the show. Uncle Iroh tells the story: Zuko refused to fight and the only part that wasn't shown was the actual face burning, because Iroh looked away. But the rest of your comment is 👍
There is a lot of potential for showing darker things that were glossed over in the original series. The plot does revolve around a genocide and a hundred year long war spanning the globe. However, it would take some seriously robust writing to be able to capture the original charm of the series alongside grittier depictions of the conflict without some serious tonal dissonance. You kinda have to commit to one or the other to have a chance to succeed. The problem here is that they seem to be under the impression that the gritty is what the audience wants over the charm which could not be further from the truth. They probably have hope they can do both but from what I know of Netflix that's a foolish hope.
@@kylepessell1350 I agree with you to an extent. I think it can be done with expert writing and timing. Can't show the Airbenders getting wiped out and then cut straight to a comedic relief moment. But you CAN show those events with high action and dark results and then reel the audience back to a place of comfort/familiarity and then mix in some light-hearted fun or banter, this is done in almost every example of (good) cinema. In the cartoon there are plenty of examples of this. I am cautiously optimistic about this show, but I will be the first to dismiss it if I detect any tomfoolery.
i think because the people who care for the IP are being outbid/sold by the people who believe "its problematic and must be fixed to be accepted by modern audences"
I watched the creators breakdown of the trailer and they actually seemed very knowledgeable of the show and maintained that they tried to keep it as close as possible. I feel like a lot of these headlines and random quotes are just being played up for publicity. It's crazy how people are making judgement when the show isn't even out yet
I think people often misunderstand that the 'Family' label on media doesn't mean 'for kids'. The 'Family' Label means FAMILY of all ages, that's means Mom and Dad and can watch it along with their teens, their young kids, and heck even the grandparents. It's enjoyable for the whole family. That's the point. That's why Avatar is so universally loved by all ages.
You forget that these people don't believe in the nuclear FAMILY. I guess this is their idea of FAMILY. I guess we need Dom to teach them the meaning of FAMILY.
My friend and I have been having lengthy discussions about this and it makes me so mad. Not only was this flaw instrumental in his growth but his sexism was needed for Katara's growth. It was her first battles with the subject matter through her brother that aided her journey of independence and gave her her voice to defend herself and her choices. Their fights and discussions and her need to prove him wrong were then internalized by him and helped him grow and see through the eyes of someone who he loved and who loved him that he needed to be better. They both needed this.
The news was fake why does no one check this. Sokkas sexism is being changed to be less cartoonish but it is still there. The game of thrones thing was fake.
@@Nexus_KT do you have proof it is real? No you don’t. These are random news sites trying to get clicks. The only semi true thing is they are making his sexism less cartoonish but not removing it. The new Netflix clip describes aang as a fun loving kid with responsibilities he doesn’t really want and I’m not sure about the GOT thing but I can’t find an official statement of that anywhere just random news sites.
The key behind these adaptations is brand recognition. They have doubts about their own ideas, so they rely on something familiar that could appeal to viewers. We've seen this with Velma, Halo, and now Avatar.
I know it’s easy to just write off as it is basically common knowledge but the destruction Warner and Disney did to their IP was epic. The stuff of legend. Songs will be sung. Sad songs but still.
@MrPipol-nm3cd insane comment thinking that the water tribes are matriarchal when in the episode with the northern water tribe katara is literally refused the ability to become a warrior and has to use her powers to heal like all the other female benders...same with how in the southern water tribe all of the warriors who left to fight the fire nation were all men. Sokka literally learns his lesson within four episodes by getting beat by the kiyoshi warriors but no its a character trope.
As far as i can make out, "edgy" occurs when middlebrow middle aged profiteers are looking to suck the energy - not to mention spending money- out of the "youth culture". So they come up with this fake concept of seeming dangerous when every move they make is the result of market research and a corporate master plan - Daria
Ironically it's the "edgy" shit that I most associate with being a child. Like, adding more sex and edgelord seriousness with no lighting in every scene is something I thought was cool in middle school lmao
This is part of what happened with Legend of Korra. People who don't understand the original story shouldn't be put in charge of changing it, especially if the original is as beloved as this.
The last airbender actually felt much more mature than korra, with so many moments of genuine wisdom. Korra feels like it's trying to be mature, but because the writers weren't equipped to properly deal with mature subject matter, it only felt mature if you only looked at it from a surface level, without thinking any deeper. I really wanted this to be good, but it will probably be the same, or worse.
I think when you're talking modern audiences, it should be more talking eras rather than a few years or even decades. Ian McKellen had a great interview when he was 42 (42 years ago) about how the face of "realism" shifted in modern audiences between the 19th century to the then 20th because it was all about the camera now. The same performances that could move an audience to tears in the 19th could get laughter from an audience in the 20th, because the distance to the audience and therefore what the audience could accept as reality changed. What it should not mean is "look at this cool epic show GoT that plebs couldn't handle back in 2005 when this cartoon came out, let's make it like that because it's popular"
Because to them those aren't characters, those are products, and products need to be presented as perfect as possible for people to buy, Also people now adays are soo fucking fake and addicted to acting like they're perfect in everyway that if someone has any flaws it's a stain on them as people and they can never change, imagine if someone irl went through a similar arc to sakka, being sexist or over all a bagot then getting outside their bubble and getting humbled, thar person would be canceled to high heaven if people knew if their past
thank disney for that, omitting mulan's struggles and development and hero's journey to reach the top to make her immediately better than everyone else and with superpowers to boot
@@mitab1 I notice this a lot on modern content creators. Charlie thankfully is excluded here because he's one of the few people who have their own personality and way of speaking but most of the people I watch now vs 5 or 10 years ago are all the same people with the same morals and same ideas, their voices are barely different sometimes. I'd describe people today as working based on laws. I don't mean that back then we used to do illegal stuff and that was cool, just that now people are all following the same book on how to speak, express themselves and behave, like they're programmed in the same way. Goes far beyond than just agreeing on what's right and wrong. This is bleeding in our fiction too, we're writing the exact same character with the exact same set of morals and reactions based on 3 types max regardless of context or the world they're in. This can really be felt with Marvel if you're looking for an obvious example.
Because they want kids more entitled, more rude, more unbearable, and become terrible adults.. there's no moral lessons in media anymore, awful characters are shown as heroes now, the most arrogant, rude, delusional, terrible to other characters, somehow able to beat anyone at everything, without years of practice..they are setting kids up to fail, to be weak and easily manipulated, they are creating better slaves, and the downfall of modern society..it was never accidental, its all by design..planned decades ago.
Media literacy has gone down! Genuinely, they aren't teaching kids in school how to read into stories anymore, soTwitter has them thinking that presenting an idea in a story = endorsing it. And now big studios, afraid of backlash, are catering to that, which only makes the problem worse. The stories don't challenge anyone, so audiences never learn to be challenged.
"It couldn't just be for kids." I watched Avatar for the first time in my 30s. I still adored it. Fun and goofy doesn't mean a work can't also tackle mature topics.
Right?? I watched it as a kid, but I re-watched it with my mum recently - she's in her sixties and she's now recommending it to all her friends, she loves it. The idea that Avatar can only appeal to children is ridiculous
@Gyrfalcon312 It's genuinely incredibly well done. It tackles incredibly mature topics, like war, propaganda, ego, legacy, duty, all kinds of things that you don't expect from a "cartoon", but more than that, it handles them in a way that is appropriate for kids while not being patronizing. "There is no war in Ba Sing Se" was probably a lot of kids' introductions to propaganda and what it does.
Okay, at this point given Netflix's track record I think it's safe to say the problems are coming from the company themselves, not the hundreds of directors and writers they employ... Someone at Netflix thinks they're better at writing a show than people who actually write successful shows, and it needs to stop
the whole phenomenon of people who think they can write a world better then the creators themselves while also shooing off or silencing the creators needs to stop.
When are people gonna realize that politics has wormed its way into everything. Colleges are completely liberal and are breeding people who eat sleep and breath liberal politics. The people then get hired into the workforce and become writers but are incapable of writing a story without a political bias. Any TV show or movie written by a person obsessed with social politics will be trash. America has become so political over the last 10 years with Blue and red. conservatives versus liberals trump versus Biden that of course the people write material with politics slipped in. Charlie likes to say bad writers bad writers but fails to see that it is not that they can not write, it is that they are mentally obsessed with social politics. Colleges are creating liberal young adults who are very ideological and when ideological people write stories, it is impossible to not have the biases become apart of the writing. We use to have writers who sole goal was to entertain and write good stories, but now it is not about a good story it is about "positive social change" again because the writers are ideological. Why do you think some of the best media these days is now starting to come from places outside the US because other countries especially Japan does not have liberal ideologs writing shows ,movies and games. They have people doing that. People who care about a good products not a social message. The people who are writing more and more of the material you see coming out of Hollywood over the last 5 years are not writers they are social activists. Look at twitter before musk. Almost completely liberal 99% liberal company with liberal politics. What happened at twitter is happening everywhere especially in the media industry
it’s actually depressing to know this is (probably) one of the many reasons as to why we haven’t had shows or movies hit as often compared to things released back in 2K. But again it’s all about the money unfortunately.
Yeah, Netflix deliberately chooses writers and showrunners following their guidelines. This is why they probably hire the original creators as consultants so they can be cut off easily when Netflix does his things.
so true, i watched the original show for the first time as an adult and it blew my mind how good it was. It doesn't need more adult themes to be better ): its already a compelling story
@@aschita1569 All depictions we get are very medevial eastern Europe. Just keep close it as possible to the source material is all they got to do to make these shows good. More creators just need to be like Oda, and make them do it right.
4:47 I can answer why studios are afraid of flawed characters. They're afraid of taking that risk and the audience not liking the character before the growth occurs. I don't know why they're doing this for an established series where we already know the character grows but that's most definitely the reason. Also, they should know by now that doing this loops back to people not liking the character but guess not.
Just to list everything out, so far the live action has: - Misinterpreted and removed Sokka's sexism and character development - Removed Katara's nuturing characteristic of her personality - Misinterpreted and removed Aang's childlike qualities that also double as character flaws, removing his character development in the process - Removed all the side adventures they went on in the cartoon, instead opting to rush the crew to the Northern Water Tribe - Said that they're "not making it a show just for kids" when the original was aimed at all ages and tackled a lot of sensitive subjects - Aiming the show for GoT fans instead of AtLA fans just for the ratings??? If they already messed up 3/5 of Team Avatar, I'm not excited about whatever they might do to Toph or Zuko. It feels like the writers just looked at the cartoon to make bank, not appreciate the source material (which I'm not surprised about). I'll just wait for Avatar Studios' new projects and rewatch the cartoon instead
Huh? Since when were they removing Katara's nurturing personality? Also, you people are blowing things out of proportion. It's an 8 episode season. Obviously some filler episodes aren't going to be present to retain the pacing. We know for a fact that characters like Jet and the Mechanist are present in the season, so it's not like they're removing all the side stories.
@@jessetheanimenerd3304 I would bet money on them removing Katara's nurturing traits because in the cult of the cultural left any traditional gender traits are "bad" for no reason.
This is what I tell people when they want shorter seasons. Shorter seasons = less of the fun side content. That's why the ~20 episode season is the best.
Sad that they can't seem to grasp the fact that flawed characters are what make stories not only relatable but interesting. We don't need hollowed out shells of humans.
@@kremesauceIt's not for a modern audience. This idea that modern audiences don't want flawed and nuanced characters is just, flat wrong. The most popular movies this past year were Barbie and Oppenheimer, both with very flawed characters (very gritty, in Oppenheimer's case). The appetite for full fleshed out characters is still there. Creators simply lack the backbone to handle the minor pushback they will receive if they have uncomfortable themes in their works.
@@kyletucker3811 exactly. People will always connect better to a story if it has solid character development. And the way to actually have character development is for the character to start with flaws and challenges to overcome... a simple concept and yet multi million dollar companies keep taking L's in that regard. The mind boggles.
Boycott them all you want. It won’t make any difference. Netflix is a de facto extension of the state. Obama’s national security advisor heads its board of directors. It’s one giant propaganda farm. You.. didn’t realize that?
Honestly you kind of got a point. Avatar nailed feminism and mature themes better than any show Netflix has made. You know why stranger things is so good? Because it doesn’t have any of that woke shit. Like does Netflix realize if they made the show scene for scene live action people would be happy? Like stop changing shit
At that point though, why are you even making a live action show? just watch the original. I am with you, I think trying to alter the essential parts of ATLA is stupid, I guess my point is why even try? The OG is good as is
Literally not allowed to have character growth anymore. Him getting past his sexism and becoming a better person was able to be understood by children on a nickelodeon cartoon, but adults watching a shittastic live action can't grasp the concept.
I mean I admittedly haven't watched every piece of promotion material, but from everything I've seen of the show so far, I haven't even seen the kid smile one time. same with sokka, they've both had the same facial expression the entire time.
literally the biggest part of the final season is Aang trying to procrastinate his way out of having to kill the fire lord, like procrastination was Aang's number 1 flaw, he got side tracked so easily and quickly because his "destiny" of being the avatar was just to big of a burden for him to truly confront at that age
That’s not what the article says he didn’t read the full thing it says at the end at the end of the day Ang is a goofy kid who likes to do a lot of dumb things Literally his character is still the same what it is saying is that just moving one story point forward it’s nothing about character.
This is why some movies and shows cant or shouldn't be recreated, perfect example is back to the future its literally impossible to recreate it because youd never be able to capture it the way they did the first time, some media is timeless and should be respected that way
It's such a shame how they're seemingly gutting the essence of Avatar just to appease a different audience. Why adapt a beloved classic if they're going to change its fundamental elements? Missteps like this show a clear lack of understanding and respect for the original material.
they want to capitalize on the continued and sustained love of avatar, but they also want to capitalize on the fact that game of thrones was the biggest show in the world. it’s money. it’s about money
unlike most people i know, i didn’t grow up watching avatar (aside from a few episodes i’d catch on nicktoons like “the headband”). i was 18 the first time i watched it front to back, and i STILL haven’t seen another cartoon with such nuance and maturity, perfectly blended with goofiness and slapstick. it made me cry THREE times: once during iroh’s tale, once during appa’s lost days, and once at the REUNION of appa with the gaang. that ALONE is something the live-action can’t pull off with the “serialized” approach. plus, diminishing sokka’s arc, as well as removing aang’s childish desires, DESTROYS their development. IT HASN’T EVEN COME OUT YET. ugh. i want it to be good, i really do. but if they’re willing to rewrite something that was already good, why would i bother watching it when the good thing already exists?
I watched it around 18 too, maybe a little later, after deeming it "kiddie shit" when my friend recommended it to me. I finally decided to try it, and my entire opinion shifted when the villain with the nasty scar was not only given a sympathetic backstory but a REASON he had the scar that was interlinked with why he was in the show to begin with. I fell in love around the time I found myself rooting for the villain to win and realized "wait that means he catches the Avatar...uh...man I hope they give him some other kind of win!!" 😂 And now angsty fire boy is in my top three favorite characters of any media, and Avatar is in my top three favorite franchises with Star Trek and Animorphs.
Same, I'm a dude who watched it at 20. Iroh's tale had me sobbing into the sink like a little baby. I've found peace with the fact that the perfect show already exists and these knockoff attempts are just noise
@ilovecod721 I can Relate SO HARD to your story, It was a Decent show to watch when nothing else was on. It's Sad to see this Developmentally Disabled Company trying to destroy it.
dawg i was watching this after school I would actually be sooo hyped to leave school to get home and watch a new episode. it was the most satisfying shit I ever experienced
@jujuchonk yuup already know this is about to be trash like the last live action . Idk why they don't just make a live action of Korra it would be much easier and less pressure since it wasn't as good as the last Airbender 🫠 I also wouldn't give a damn what they did with korra but the last air bender? Please don't touch.
I think korra wasnt way worse its just a different kind of show. It would be alot easier though bc it was more adult gritty and action packed. They could have done what they wanted easier. Changing would be easier too bc it was shorter seasons @@sunset6958
I feel like you're probably already a little creatively bankrupt when you decide you want to adapt someone else's TV show to a different TV show but live action this time.
Corporations these days make their characters squeaky clean and bland because of their soulless greed. They don't have passion for their stories, they just want it to sell, which means making their content and art as inoffensive as possible, even if it destroys the heart of it.
@@eldenvedetta635yeah they don't seem to understand that the flaws in the characters like sokka's sexism and Katara's mothering are parts of their character arc that they grow through.
Pretty sure that they are saying "We lowered the comedy to make it more for an adult audience" but in the worst way possible. But the "Sexist Soka" being eliminated is pure stupidity.
@@crispkiller6701Because it was quite literally pivotal to his early character development. I'm not sure what show you watched actually if you don't think that. His entire relationship with Suki would not EXIST without that arc???
What sucks is that if this does end up flopping because of all these dumb decisions, you know that corporate will just interpret it as "People don't like Avatar" and not let the actual creators do anything with it.
That's actually why Palworld blew up. The new Pokémon games genuinely suck yet the Pokémon company paid for marketing for a game they never filled the demand for (by continually depicting a complex, thriving world full of magical creatures and then the games are just...not that...) so Palworld came and fulfilled that demand which reaped the rewards of that marketing. Pokemon could've reaped those rewards had they actually made good games and stop being afraid to try something new. It's like corporate Fight, Flight, and Freeze and the Pokémon company chose to freeze.
Iirc, Sokka and Kataras village had women who were healers, and men who fought. Sokka was essentially raised as a child soldier. Katara broke the mold by being a fighter later on. Its crazy how Sokka had to be toned down for sexism when it could argued he was a victim of it.
It was even worse because all the men of the tribe were killed when they were children, so Sokka always had the thought that it was all on him to protect the tribe weighing down on him.
Sokka was the only 'man' in his village, and was convinced by trauma that if he failed to 'be a man' the fire nation would wipe out his whole village, he was just trying to protect his people, especially his sister, who waslike a mother to him, his whole backstory is tragic and beautiful, and they are gonna trash it because 'sexism is effy.'
The reason why Netflix's One Piece live adaptation worked well was because Oda stood behind it all the way and signed off on any character/story changes. As an audience, when we hear this, we understand the show runners are attempting to be respectful and faithful to the original work so we appreciate the show and are more forgiving towards any changes, as we see it as a mutual agreement between the show runners and the original creators rather than a "f**k you, your story sucks" or "this material has outdated social elements, so we will write a better one instead".
I grew up in an extremely strict household. Even most Disney shows were off the table. My dad caught us watching avatar one day but by a miracle got sucked in. Me and my siblings would watch Avatar every week with my dad. It’s one of the few untainted memories I have of him. We would sing the songs and make inside jokes with him about the show. Such a shame that I probably won’t be able to recommend a new watch time tradition with my dad and the new live action. *especially* if they take it in the GOT direction. The animated show was so good that it transcended fucking militant households.
The ATLA Live Action Team had a good and massive ship that was already setting sail smoothly. There wasn't even a storm, but they just started poking holes on their own ship, just because it was "too hot inside the cabin"
for one piece, not only was the author heavily involved, but the show runners WANTED him involved. Steven Maida and especially Matt Owens were interested in adapting one piece as authentically as possible in a live action format because they were fans of the story and respected its author, while other show runners want to adapt their own vision for the story thinking they are making it better.
Those CUCKS should have the same attitude as the one piece ones. Hell, better, the lotr movie boies. Those amazing bastards treat the books like the Bible 2 to heart and only change when needed or agree will not translate well on screen not due to politics views, but practical and narrative wise on screen.
Not just a genocidal maniac, a limp-wristed, wet-rag, matri and patricidal genocidal maniac. Blows my mind that he was "redeemed" sometimes. @@warlordofbritannia
@@squegy349 Does Netflix even know that Avatar also covered genocide, imperialism, child soldiers, nationalist indoctrination, authoritarian regimes, abusive parents, survivor’s guilt, and other such serious issues?
It’s honestly Hollywood’s fault that animation is perceived this way, given how often it’s belittled and disrespected at the Academy, which is ostensibly a key sounding board for the public at large. It’s the boomer effect of the entertainment industry where everyone knows animation isn’t solely a children’s medium but older generations simply refuse to acknowledge that despite overwhelming evidence. It also ironically infantilizes adult audiences by acting like they can’t appreciate a story that doesn’t involve gratuitous sex, language or violence.
It funny how the most kid-friendly stories tend to be more mature than the overly graphic and violent stories that big wigs in Hollywood come out with Edit: and that is because there actual emotion behind it is heartfelt
This is the perfect summation of it. It is a compounding effect as Boomers in Hollywood belittle animation and treat it like a child's artform. All that does is relegate American animation to the bottom of the totem pole. But they chose that almost actively! It'd be like if a baker walked into a room and was like "Idk guys I was gonna bring cake but no one likes it." And then everyone's like "We actually like it. Not only do we want cake, we want many varieties of it" Then the baker shrugs and is like "I don't know I don't like cake. No one I know likes cake. Maybe people just hate cake" Like we all know the reality. It's just purposely being dodged because they made up their minds like 40 years ago.
Another thing I hate is this idea that live action is the ultimate art form, the ultimate transcendence of art. Video games need to be live action to be valid. Animated things must be live action to be valid. Repeat that into infinity. And people eat it up due to this age-old notion they had as kids that it would be so cool if the thing they liked looked realistic. That mentality only persists because no one came along with a grand statement to say "Hey no, your thing perfectly fits the medium its in. Animation is okay" What's worse is how much it justifies soulless retreads. We could spend time and money on new stories for stuff like Avatar and TLOU that utilize those mediums to their fullest without retreads, but they don't want that.
How on Earth do they justify Aang not going on sidequests? Sidequests are like 80% of the show, and it's where many of the best demonstrations of Eastern philosophy take place! It's how they meet several iconic characters. The entire reason they find out about the Day of Black Sun is by the gaang choosing _vacations,_ and the knowledge Sokka gains from that ends up being the central focus of much of the show. Like I don't mind if they remove the Great Divide, but imagine them removing Tales of Ba Sing Se. Absolute travesty.
@@FZJanimated The actual Avatar show covered genocide, imperialism, child soldiers, abusive parents, and survivor’s guilt all in the first season while retaining its ability to be lighthearted and fun.
The side quests taught us SO MUCH MORE than a bit of the main plot, honestly. It gave the characters depth, demonstrated eastern philosophy further than the main plot, and was full of life lessons.
Yeah, "sidequests" is kind of doing those episodes a disservice since they were chock-full of world building and many of them had something that intertwined with the main plot or gave us critical characterization. There are some episodes you could call "filler" but I don't think there's a single one the majority of fans could agree on cutting out entirely...it's not like the writers leaned on filler the way anime adaptations do.
when i was still living with my mum, we used to do a yearly rewatch of the series. my mum, a woman in her fifties, would get so excited when dinner time would roll around and we could watch it together again. a lot of the time, she was the one saying to me "can we stay up and just watch _one_ more?" the original series transcended the target audience of nickelodeon. it's something truly special, that adults and kids can love alike. the fact that the Netflix showrunners have such little faith in the original material, such little faith in their audience, that they think they have to drastically change the tone to be palatable, is such a massive disappointment.
Sokka was the only "adult" male in his tribe after the rest of the men left to war. The Water Tribe are based on a much simpler civilization, like native americans or even inuit/eskimo people. And because of that Sokka adopts a very early (and somewhat ancient) worldview that men fight and women dont. But it wasn't until he met Suki, someone from an entirely different culture, that he was able to learn, apologize and change. Suki was also shown to be mature enough to forgive him, and even teach him a new way to see the world. Great message that people can be brought up with one world view and expand it based on those they interact with. Also, Sokka is shown to lose his "toxic masculinity" as the series went on and he evolves as a warrior. Ever notice how Sokka always used the club (very brutish weapon), but as time went on, he started to rely on things like his boomerang, strategy and eventually a sword? Remember it was he who wanted to go to the Library, he who found out about the eclipse, he helped with the submarines, and also planned and strategized much of the invasion. Also the only person who can read a map. Point being that something like "knowledge and intelligence" (something historically looked down upon by alpha males), became his ability to compete with the rest of the characters. He didn't stay a brute that hit things with a club, he grew and evolved into a character that was worthy of being a part of such a GOATED show. He literally went from a STR "Unga Bunga" build to "Chad" DEX user during the show run, and its fucking awesome. Also, there are so many amazing women characters in this show, that they do not need to be protected from Sokka's early character flaws. 90% of males who have watched this show, favorite character is the fucking 12 year old blind girl.
There's no such thing as 'historical "alpha males"', those troglodites are a modern thing. Intelligence has always been valued alongside strength, with the caviat that having one without the other makes you 'lesser'. A strong man who lacked intelligence was seen as a brute, while a smart man without strength was seen as a coward.
One of the points I saw that stood out to me the most was the removal of the side plots. I think the side adventures the gang had were some of the most fundamental parts of Aang's growth and accepting his fate. During the side adventures the fire nation's presence and threat was ever there in some shape. Aang couldn't run away from the fire nation because they had influence even in the most remote locations. He couldn't escape the consequences of his choices and HAD to acknowledge his fate.
@@MamaSymphonia for real, he met some of the best characters on so called "side adventures". Heck, sokka's whole prison arc would be considered a side adventure but it established important character growth and motivations.
@@MamaSymphonia It also shows how Aang realizes he needs to defeat the Firelord not as "The Avatar" but as The Last Airbender. The world cannot run without the wisdom and love of one of _all_ it's cultures in the world to bring balance. The Air Nomads only have one repsresentative in the world, so using the Avatar State as an all-powerful gun that he can point at threats would be throwing away the wisdom of the monks, by the only person who represents it. Don't even get me started on how important travelling the world is for Zuko.
I can't understand how they get the greenlight to make something that is already established and popular, then ruin it because they think they know better. HOW do you have creative differences with the creator
Instead of producing this Avatar remake, Netflix should instead put cameras into their board meetings so we can watch Netflix’s executives act like total morons.
You're brain might actually shut down from watching the netflix executives try to do anything
I'd totally watch that lol
that would make a great comedy show.
i would definitely watch this, like a reality tv version of the executive office HAHAA
Just edit it "The Office" style and you've got a hit.
Apparently, Game of Thrones fans can handle incest, gore, nudity, slavery and child-marriages but Sokka’s misogyny is too much for them.
Lmao fr 😂 but tbh i doubt that headline was true , because there's no shot. They are making the show grounded so sokka or at least someone would have to bring up gender wars.
i dunno fits the bill to me,
These morons really don't have a proper stance in anything.
Which is crazy because that's literally part of Sokka's entire character arc.
@@h3llboyyy407 Don't know, you saw how mega companies like these treated LOTR, HALO, and others. They ruined them arguably.
Not only is Sokka's sexism his flaw, it's also a natural overreaction to trauma he has experienced.
He wanted to protect the rest of the tribe and especially Katara as best as he could.
Taking his development and healing away from him is a damn shame.
Was he not literally the only male in the village that wasnt a toddler? Assigned to protect the women? Of course his views are skewed, thats the entire point of the Kyoshi warriors arc.
Its also the reason Katara found Aang anyway, because he pissed her off with a sexist rant.
The point if it is to show how wrong he is and it a form of it where it's a guy who don't realize he a bad person for a thing and also as he grow the audience is the women are capable as men in doing alot of things and how genders role are bs
@@USSAnimeNCC- gender roles arent bs per say. there is truth in that each gender excells at certain things. mysoginy however just like misandry assumes that the targeted gender is incapable of MOST things which is just untrue.
@@PeePsImAnyeah, I’d say gender roles only become a problem if they’re forced. If I have to be a stay at home mom, that’s an issue. If I choose to be bc that’s the role I feel I fill best, that’s fine. Part of what can be so bad about it is that some people have very rigid ideas of what women do vs. what men do, and there’s no room for personal strengths or individual choice. If the roles are treated as general ideas rather than individual requirements, it can work out well. There were definitely some forced gender roles in the show though, as well as characters trying to tear them down.
Corporations don't have nuance, they don't understand sending a message through a character's growth and flaws, if a character has a trait it's solely because the show runners endorse it.
This is something I’ve been hating about adulthood tbh. To make it more “mature” you gotta add violence, sex, and swear words. But to make things really more mature, you bring mature topics to the table. That’s why atla was so good! It did bring mature topics to the table and executed them amazingly. This is all making me roll my eyes and honestly making me angry
Dude don't be angry because of a headline of an article you never even read. In the full interview, they said they're going to tone the silliness down, not add sex and gore lmao so less goofy faces and wild anime-like expressions that only makes sense in animation (book 1 had a lot more of this than you think). Maybe some blood or burns when its needed because nickelodeon had its own rules with showing injuries, but it's not going to be goreporn. They even recognized the original show having super mature themes as well.
Ursula K. LeGuin called this “maturismo”. It’s not real maturity; it’s false and only undercuts real growth.
I worry greatly about this project.
@@VegaNorth I love that term so much. It's agonizing, seeing "adult" cartoons where the only adult thing about it is the language and crude humor/images. Basically a Call of Duty multiplayer voice chat in animated form. ATLA, even for all the kiddy goofiness, comes off as way more mature than a ton of adult animated shows. Sure, you occasionally get a Bojack Horseman, or an Arcane, but those are the exceptions, not the rule.
This kind of "maturity" is how angsty teens think of maturity, not actual maturity
Aang is gonna just permanently cripple the Fire Lord instead of taking away his bending this time
If they're trying to entertain GOT fans... they need to keep Katara and Sokka away from each other.
💀💀💀
Also the fact that they're introducing Ozai and Azula early... oh sweet merciful Jesus.
And Zuko and Azula
I would never forgive them 💀💀
It's Zuko and Azula i'm more worried about. Even the original had some weird vibes between them.
If Aang's first line isn't "Will you go penguin sledding with me?" I lose all hope
animal abuse or something. to show how virtueous they are netflix is replacing it with penguin hugging
I commend you for having hope.
He wont, they've already said he won't be as childish with almost no of those little adventures he had while avoiding his responsibilities
@strawberrylotlizard so they've decided to not make avatar the last airbender
@@neckbeardcat6777 exactly
World: "You need to kill Fire Lord Ozai"
Cartoon Aang: "I can't do that! It goes against my beliefs! I need to commune with the past avatars to seek advice"
Live Action Aang: *Starts loading assault rifle* "Time to show the Fire Lord my Second Airmendment Rights"
Airmendement lol you are genius
Holy shit this is sending me
That's so goood
Damn I didn't know Aang was a patriot like that 😔@Hotwheelsmaniac5000
As an aside, I like how communing with previous avatars for their advice *basically* amounted to them telling him 'yeah no you're gonna need to kill him.'
Netflix is the kind of company that will tell you "Hey, watch this"
Then proceeds to shit its pants
This news was fake why does no one know this?!?! The only semi true thing is they are changing sokkas sexism to be less cartoonish.
@@talkingweevil3172 the provision of 0 source material really sold me on that, thanks 😂
@@halcyongrey2576 I know it’s so annoying news sites sole purpose is to get clicks nit spread valid info
@@talkingweevil3172 yknow I wanna believe that but nowadays with sex and adult humor being as popular as it is and how stupid people are, I actually believe they would do something like this.
@@grimreaper686 I mean I watched the show… it was exaggerated news but still semi true…
Netflix didn't learn from the Witcher. They didn't learn for Avatar. They will never learn
Ever since 2019, always the same! Couldn’t keep their hands out of the cash drawer! But not our Netflix? Couldn’t be precious Netflix! Stealing them blind! And they get to be America’s most commonly used streaming platform?! What a sick joke!
Then why did they nail the One Piece live action?
@@racool911because the author of One Piece was involved
@@racool911from what I’ve read, original author held on to creative control with an iron grip, so it wasn’t Netflix learning from past but the authors😂
Witcher did well first season too. @@racool911
Sokka being sexist is as important as Katara fighting against sexism. They are BOTH products of their culture. Sokka’s sexism was born from literally being told he had to protect his home because he was the only guy left in the village. He was too young to join the war but still the oldest child. He took that and internalised that.
Katara and Sokka showed us both sides of the trauma of sexism on both genders of kids.
Sokka’s sexism is such an amazing thing to be in a kids show because it shows his growth.
Also Sokka was only 15 years old at the beginning of the journey. It's obvious that he can be immature & don't have a full understanding of things yet.
How on Earth you found a sexism there? All their arc is about family's love.
Soka wanted to become stronger too shelter his beloved sister from hardships.
Kotaro is a mother type character who wants to take all hardships on herself too help everyone, especially the last family member.
It's more about Mother and immature children relationship, who don't understand each others motives. Sexism 😢
Honestly millennials and Gen z would've been a lot more sexist if it wasn't for sokka. And yes I do actually believe that
@matthhiasbrownanonionchopp3471 I agree. Speaking as a Millenial, when I hear someone throwing around "get in the kitchen and make me a sandwich" language, it just makes me think of Sokka's dumbest moments and makes me realize comedic relief exists in real life in the form of these jokers.
That's okay, because now we get to have modern day "girl power" where Katara acts like a snarky bitch for no reason. As someone who used to advocate for more women in media, I'm getting the slightest touch bit tired of media assuming tough only comes in one feminine variant of catty and standoffish.
reducing Sokkas “sexism” is like giving Batman his parents
Not to mention it's literally addressed and shown character growth within the first, what, 3 episodes??
They might as well just have Zuko be a jolly ol chap from the beginning and get rid of all that pesky "character development"
LOL 😂
It wasn't even bad sexism, it was simply spawned from his sense of responsibility and ignorance, and nothing to do with moral or otherwise superiority.
I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt when I first heard the news. Like, maybe they had something else planned for his character arc and didn’t want to go with a relatively basic arc. Earlier, I read an article earlier where a showrunner said that they changed it because Netflix corporate was worried about him being too “unlikeable” and just went “welp, jokes on me for having hope.”
If they’re cutting out the side quests, and I don’t get to hear the secret tunnel song, hell will freeze over in the wake of my fury
The sidetracking was like 90% of the anime. It felt more like a journey. Not everything had to be about beating the final boss. Ozai was more of a tool for the Gaang to go and experience different cultures and people. Ozai wasn't even that crazy of a villain. He was a big bad who wanted to control the world...i mean you can't get more cliché than that.
If I don't see the cabbage merchant in at least three different places over 8 1-hour episodes, imma flip a table.
@@kaloyanivanov885 EXACTLY!! 🤷🏽♀️ Why is it so hard to understand... Do these execs and writers get paid to literally NOT think?
It wasn’t really sexism given that his whole life were he grew up men were the hunters, warriors, and providers. He never had anyone challenging that idea because no one ever came to his village. But what do you know the FIRST time he finds out that women are capable of being warriors, providers, and hunters he doesn’t dispute it. He doesn’t get hateful of them for being better. He humbled himself and asks them to train him in the arts they have learned. He respects their traditions by wearing their clothing while learning their style of combat. Had he truly been sexist he would’ve never accepted them being better or having to wear a “girls outfit”.
That's not in season 1 anyway
Aang in the original: I just want to be a kid.
Super serious, focused Aang Wick: I know who I need to kill
lmao Aang Wick sent me.
He gonna pull up what that agent 47 rizz
i really do dare the producers to have aang be willing to kill; they've already trashed a central character trait of his so might as well trash his moral code too!
@dragonlover7196 they show that "this isn't your grandma's aang" by having him windmill kick Zhao into a fine mist, and then taking a bite of a huge Carls Jr Cheeseburger. Oh- and why not do product placement? Might as well at this point, right?
Aang Wick just made my day thank you for that 😂👏🏼👏🏼
Netflix writers seem to have an hatred towards pre-existing mediums. They admitted to actively trying to ruin The Witcher and now they're doing everything in their power to take away what makes Avatar such a success
But they didn’t ruin TRUMP
TRUMP 2024 🇺🇸
@@NigerianCrusader Noone has to ruin Trump, if you changed anything about him, it would simply have to be improvement.
@@cmdrHeliaxx WRONF TRUNL IS AN LEGEND I DONT CARE WHAT YOU DEMOCRAT BASTARDS SAY
@@NigerianCrusaderohh a new kind of bot - at least with this one I know what it's purpose is
@@NigerianCrusader Would rather NOT want the guy who wants to date his daughter and is an indicted felon in the Oval Office, please.
Would rather at least SURVIVE for four more years under Biden than the entire country go to hell before then under him.
Sokka: “I treated you like a girl when I should have treated you like a warrior.”
Suki: “I am a warrior… but I’m a girl too.”
Funny that they nailed feminism in a way that I don't see any shows doing in the past 10 years. It's usually "I'm tough, just as tough as any guy! Tougher even! Look how great this show treats women!", when they should be treated like any other person and judged by their character, being strong and feminine are not opposites and Suki's line illustrates that perfectly
they do not like character development, they don't like it if there's a story where a sexist person later on learns that he was wrong for being a sexist. A story that can teach kids and adults that being sexist is bad and wrong, and they are like... "nope, its too much for people to handle, lets remove it"
@@jason1666 How much you wanna bet they flushed Suki's femininity down the same drain as Sokka's sexism?
It's actually surprising that they would throw away an opportunity to show misogyny
@@Mikudude1billionI got bad news for you
I was cautiously optimistic but then when the creators walked away I knew this was DOA
According to leaks the reason they left is because they wanted to change almost everything about the show to where it was barely recognizable but Netflix didn’t let them.
@@bananas244 Interesting. That's why it's good not to jump to conclusions. It's hard not to after being burned so much, tbf.
@@Hoganply true
@@bananas244 not sure I believe that since Netflix is doing enough of that in their own
@@bananas244 Why can I only find atricles saying the exact opposite? Happen to have a source for those leaks. Cause all i'm reading is that the changes netflix are doing are what made them step away.
Funny thing is Netflix had the perfect chance to appeal to GoT fans with The Witcher after the disaster that season 8 was. Yet they still fumbled that.
My god, they overly fumbled that like they fumbles so much Henry cavill left because they didn't respect the IP
Wdym, I thought the Witcher show was a great successor to GoT after season 8
So many producers want to cash in on the demand for "something like GoT" but they don't understand why people actually liked GoT or why it was good. And instead they produce insulting slop like Netflix's "The Witcher".
@@Swedishmafia101MemeCorporation unlike season 7-8 of GoT, Netflix had access to all the source material for The Witcher, and they still couldn’t deliver.
Agreed. Theres NOTHING that can compare to Game of Thrones at this point. It's it's own show that is very very difficult to recreate. Hence why they made a prequel, because it's just impossible.
Sokka’s sexism came not just from his own trauma and trying to fill his father’s shoes, but also the fact that Water Tribe culture is very strict re: gender roles. This showed that although the Fire Nation were the bad guys each nation still had its own flaws and issues. Plus, by showing a likeable main character overcoming their prejudices, it does a better job teaching kids to not be prejudiced than by just having the villains be prejudiced.
Without Sokka's sexism, Katara doesn't get angry and doesn't break the ice Aang and Appa are trapped inside. The End.
literally. all of the events of the show are kicked off by katara getting mad at sokka’s sexist comment
They gotta butcher everything we love 🫠
Sexism, the unsung hero of avatar
@@maxwellquipey1💀💀💀
Suki's entire introduction is thrown off too without Sokka's sexism...it's a big character flaw that I've always seen as coming from him having to be the man of the tribe (literally singular) since all the older men have left, and it's something he has to be humbled about. His sexism is also echoed in the Northern Tribe when Katara is trying to get trained. Also, yknow, Sokka is the buttmonkey and "look at the sexist idiot" can be an easy haha.
I don't see why it would have to be changed since it's very clearly not something the show is putting in a positive light.
this is giving me the vibes that the showrunners are insecure about adapting a cartoon that they think is childish, and are now overcompensating to show how "mature" they are without understanding the appeal of the original. It's also funny that they're showing their own immaturity by dialing down Sokka.
THIS! ☝️👏
That toning down Sokka’s sexism really goes to show how much they don’t understand the character, in which Sokka isn’t sexist bc he hates women but bc he was raised believing that he needs to protect his sister along with other women who he cares about. They want to villainize him when he was just raised that way
And I feel like, as basic as it seems now, it was a really good way to guide little boys watching the show along the same journey.
Exactly.
He's a fucking child at the start of the show. Literally 12/13 (or 14/15 whatever my point is he was very young and inexperienced life wise at the start of the show) so his mindset and opinions are almost entirety based on influences from his environment and how he was raised. So it makes complete sense why he would think that men are meant to be warriors/protectors and women aren't because that's how his specific community operated during his specific time as a kid.
Then once he leaves and experiences life outside of his bubble he realizes "oh shit I was wrong about this topic and women can in fact be just as good, sometimes even better, warriors as men are". Showing a flawed mindset and then allowing a character to grow with time is a great way to teach that type of lesson to kids/teens watching the show.
@@zachrichardson5581 but the show just wants to make him boring
@@zachrichardson5581no sokka was 17 i believe at the end of the show, we know katara is 16 and sokka is her older brother, but not a man yet (which in itself is weird because if we compare our real earth time counterpart to the last airbender one of aang’s age would already be considered adult)
@@MonyatoWell, Aang was 12 years old, and I'm pretty sure there was only a 2 year difference between him and Katara, so that would make her 14 at the start.
“We want to make this mature and hyper-realistic for ADULTS, but also if funny boomerang man thinks girls are stinky for a few episodes people might think we have Problematic Opinions 😢”
People forget One Piece had Oda essentially supervising like a babysitter who lets the kid play on his phone for a bit. Without such supervision, Netflix will trash any property they get their hands on.
💯💯💯 I’ve been saying this and people were saying oda was never involved. The OP live actions is an alternate timeline that oda wanted to do in the past for the anime but was already set on what he had, so he gave direction and guidance on what was good and what to fill in, I mean baroque works being introduced early was a great example, obviously they didn’t follow the anime but it was enjoyable and also garnered a new audience who might just go watch the anime. That’s EXACTLY how it should be done.
If the original creator or a passionate fan isn't involved forcing Netflix writers everystep of the way to behave themselves the Netflix writers will immediately start ruining everything, Henry Cavil with the Witcher is the best example.
Imagine the one piece show without oda supervising it.
I wouldn't compare Oda working with Netflix to a babysitter. I'd compare him to an "adult daycare" caretaker.
I feel that's what all creators of IP's should do when having their work adapted, watch like a hawk and have the final say. Dmitri Glukhovsky at least trusted people who weren't hacks.
I actually do think of GOT when I think of Avatar, but only because Azula’s descent into madness was the perfect model for how Daenerys’ arch could have gone.
Not could have but SHOULD HAVE.
Nah dude they are too diffrent choracters with no parllels at all
The only time I’ve compared ATLA and GOT is when I told my mom ATLA was way better than GOT
You win there bud the GOT tv series were a dumpster fire but the first 4 seasons were good, ironically the book ASOIAF that the show based on had much better characterization than GOT show.
The show is great at first, but then Season 8 comes...
Lol you literaly said that oranges are better than apples.
If we only talking the cannon part based off the books then hell no but overall with season 8 yeah
I’d say avatar is massively better than the show but I’m equal on ATLA and the ASOIAF books, although they’re completely different, so comparing the two is difficult
The absolutely wild thing is, why are companies keep doing this exact same shit? Like 99% of live actions flop and they ALWAYS have the exact the same reasons for failing.
Racism? That's what their going to say.
Sometimes it's due to stupidity, other times it's fully intended.
I'm glad that there's at the very least that 1% to be good, and well at 2023 we got lucky and got one piece and ghost files to be good
Also sometimes animation just doesn't translate to live action. Remember the Scott Pilgrim movie, and how they used the voices of the exact same actors in an animated series and it was immediately better?
I feel like there's a big issue going on behind the scenes that is starting become more apparent, that lot of media right now is being run by "Millennials" and I mean the most stereotypical version of that word. Piece after piece FLOPPING because of grown man children who never cared about the IP to begin with (Or actively HATE IT) ruin good media and corrode it with their own biases and agendas. They're not trying to be writers or storytellers. That's why so many videogames, movies, shows and comic books in the western space have built a bad reputation😒
As a 28 year old, I learned a long time ago to not expect any live action show to ever be made right. It's always headed by people who feel entitled to make dumb/pointless artistic changes to the show and lore. It's made by people who were never fans of whatever they are directing. It's just their turn in the pecking order to be handed the next big project at whatever studio they're at.
Agreed (as a 20 year old). I always expect live actions of cartoons and other shows to not be even half as decent as the original because the people working on it ALWAYS want to add or take away unnecessary shit.
I only seen one good live action. Japan's live action of Death Note. There were 3. I enjoyed it for the most part... Until the L clone story happened. That made no sense.
There's been a total 2 good animated-> live action shows my entire life (26) and even those aren't great, they judt aren't total ass
Indeed. This old-af 36-year-old learned that lesson watching the OG mario movie in theaters. I was still young and dumb enough to watch it twice though, thinking I'd missed something that made it good.
Never again...
@@DrunkenHotei sometimes bad movies are good entertainment because they're bad in an entertaining way, but I feel you. Curious how did you like the new mario movie??
that's a real shame, Sokka's misogyny is a huge flaw of his that we come to learn from the first episode, then he gets a rude awakening meeting the Kyoshi Warriors. And by the end of the franchise? He's much more mature (and that misogyny of his? gone!) sure it's only one bit of his character and essence of his growth from a boy to a man, but it's still so integral to Sokka imo. Why not just rush Zuko's character? Have him turn a new leaf by the end of S1 idk it's bleh
Anyone using the word misogyny I automatically lose all respect for them. They are the same people who say the word "literally" after every sentence. If you're going to be wearing the big boy smarty pants at least learn the definitions of the words you're using. Sokka doesn't hate women. He never did. He loves his family. Even calling it sexism is a reach. Obviously the water tribe never allowed women to be warriors. It's completely normal for a child to assume they can't fight. That's why when a woman kicks his butt its so funny. And that happens a lot.
They said they'll change how sexist he was, not remove it completely. Which means it will not be as cartoonish as it was in the original. Maybe it'll be more nuanced, you know how it usually is in real life? Also his sexist ways last a total of 4 episodes and that's it.
never said it was particularly out of left-field. it's the environment he was raised inafter all, buuut, i'd say there's a slight bit of contempt towards women to some degree. sure he's no andrew tate but he definitely disregards them as formidable fighters (again, not saying this is at all abnormal for someone with his upbringing) but indeed it is very funny when he does eat his own words, every time @@kaloyanivanov885
This would be more like Zuko is good and wants to join the Gaang at the first episode.
Oh no, they're actually going to do that to Zuko aren't they.
I hope Zuko doesn't have a scar because we wouldn't want people to associate disfigured people with evil!!!!!
Or wheel chairs there not allowed them now.
@@alexshinra6722 i am now imagining some evil guys temple on top of the mountain with an endless staircase leading up to it but just off to the side is a wheelchair ramp.
@@elliottb7009 well that could of been the case but now there not allowed them. Man hero on top of the villian as the battle/roll down the temple wheel chair ramp punching slapping and useing what they have to stab or knock the other off the wheel chair. Ah well.
I get what you mean, but I also have some hope that they wouldn't make a decision that dumb. Like, his scar was literally the result of his father abusing him for protesting a massively unethical military strategy in his presence. Surely they would be able to see the narrative value in that, right?
@@Vi_Renders no, have you seen all the " end generational trauma" stuff
My issue is that ATLA is already perfectly written and made, there is nothing to improve upon.
Meh, the last portions were pretty questionably written, such as the lion turtle and aang getting that bending technique out of nowhere. It's very great, but not perfect.
There are surely things you can add on like Zuko and his mom and I would actually argue improve on like the romance and the lion turtle
@@Reset-sm6rgtrue I think the final couple episodes were certainly rushed (they probably weren’t given enough episodes or something who knows) but books one and two and the first half of three are near perfect at least and it sucks that people keep given the chance to improve it and they’re deciding to just change everything.
@Reset-sm6rg nope the last season was perfect. It's actually loads of errors in season 1 tbh and rushing because it was made not expecting to see a season 2 at first.
@@Zlittlepenguin You know how the show ends with "Where's my mother?"
Yeah they planned to do an entire season addressing that, there is no doubt they had the rug pulled out from under them and were told to just finish it, similarly to how they did them with Kora
Time to throw this in the "only watch review videos and never watch the original" folder.
Just Watch it illegally. It’s way funnier because they will be double mad over it
@@sweetnerevar7030 That's a net loss because you would have to give up your time and sanity to watch this garbage
@sweetnerevar7030 yeah like the other person said that's a total net loss cause you're still being forced to watch it lol
@@sweetnerevar7030 Never in my life I watched anything online legally if not free 😊
All of this is taken out of context or blown out of proportion. Stop relying on people reading headlines of headlines to tell you if something is good
This is a recurring issue with big studios, management, directors and film writers not respecting video game and cartoon story-telling. They think it's all amateur storytelling made for children only. So they have to change it to make it their own and justify their paycheck, ruining it in the process.
Smug brats acting like they know better than the og creators.
until someone in charge at Netflix actually "gets it", they'll keep seeing flops. 🤷 it's their money to lose I guess
@@jason1666 Gotta get Henry Cavill on their advisory board or something lmao
The amount of changes the show runners of Avatar are making is astounding. No wonder the creators left the project super early on!
No way you finished this.
Honestly I didn't know the creators left early on, but seeing the stuff now, it makes sense
Yes but have you imagined Chase of paw patrol in version furry with brazilian selection team shirt as a meme?
@@ekremslayer3389 They left, and I quote, "For creative differences" and after seeing the changes Netflix made to it, I can see why.
Eu sou um ex funcionário da Nick,a empresa depois de anos se tornou um lixo,salários atrasados,lugares sujos,pouco dinheiro...
I think them cutting Aang's "Side quests" is just PR speak for "We only wanted to to pay for 8 episodes so we could only fit the bare bones into it."
If the show is gonna be 8 one hour episodes that's 8 hours, which is technically more than the original, which is 20 episodes, 23 mins each, or 7.7 hours
@@DaMrR3 Not every Netflix show is exactly 60 minutes, most range from 45-50 with the occasional premiere or finale being 60 or more. So with an avg. of 50 mins that'd be 6.66 hours. So...not enough.
Literally in the article it says they’re not cutting that. I guess he didn’t read the full article.
The most dangerous thing is when a show runner or director doesnt understand the appeal of the source material.
I’m sure they understand it, but these people just get some sort of kick out of ruining great things
Most dangerous to an IP
Why do these companies never respect the source material is the real question? Like, you have the easiest job. Just adapt the source material in a live action format. You don’t have to change shit around and purposefully piss off fans.
@@VladStopTalking Their ego wont let them. They truly believe they can make something better than the original
@@VladStopTalking Most egregious example of this were the Halo show creators who were really proud of not having played the games or read any books. Asshats just made that whole show out of what they could glean from box art..
Gotta love that the 'adult version' of something like Last Airbender still needs to have all the adult themes taken out to be suitable for toddlers.
To quote Spongebob: "How many times do we need to teach you this lesson, old man?!" Just stop changing things that don't need changing!
“if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.”
THE NEWS ISNT REAL
They want to appeal to GoT fans because GoT was the most popular TV show ever. They're literally saying "We want to appeal to as many people as possible so we can make bank" in the worst way possible.
thats one way to take it, could be
GOT was so overrated anyway, the ending was complete dogshit could name a few shows better
@@benjiwby There was absolutely a time where GoT was the best thing on earth, but it has indeed been ruined. GoT was great 10 years ago.
@@benjiwbyhardhome is still the best episode of any live action television show
Got wasn't overrated for 4 years. Sure it had a dip but the first 4 seasons are top notch tv@@benjiwby
I recently saw the article saying that they were going to cut Sokka's sexism from the reboot. I haven't watched the original Avatar series, but I know enough to ask: "Isn't that kind of an important to his character development?" It's like them remaking Iron Man and making it so Tony was at no point an alcoholic.
It was a moment for him to learn that women are perfectly capable of doing things men could, as he grew up believing it was a mans role to protect his tribe.
It was also a good idea to have him as a role model to learn from for boys at a young age.
one of his character traits is feeling inadequate. not strong enough to save his tribe, losing his mom, being surrounded by powerful benders, needing be told he's the idea guy and failed the delivery the invasion plan in front of his father. the meat and sarcasm guy.
On top of what the other people have replied with, it’s important to note that 1. It was never even actually that terrible. It was mostly him saying ~“that’s a man’s job, girls shouldn’t be doing that” and ~“yeah I guess that’s pretty good for a *girl* “
And 2. The entire character flaw was more or less resolved within the first like 5 episodes of the show. They stumble across a tribe of people who are protected by warriors who are women and sokka thinks he can beat them in a fight, but is immediately humbled (physically) and asks if they can teach him their ways. After that, he basically has nothing but respect for everyone.
In the grand scheme of things, it isn’t even a big plot point. But I would argue it’s a rather important stepping stone for a boy who learns how to grow up and be a real leader.
@@Zlittlepenguin yeah, that's the other thing about the removal of sokkas sexism I'm so surprised about. It lasted a grand total of like, 5 minutes if you think of the show as movie, and establishes character growth.
best take
it's a small plot point true but least to me even when I was younger and especially nowadays, I find it an exceptional start for his character. It's a mini arc that gives you a general idea of Sokka, being a goofball but with his own insecurities that manifests as his sexist tendencies that he as a man should have to be in charge and do all these things.
Him being humbled and being the bestest of boys after shows a capacity to change and to grow as a person.
Cutting that without an adequate replacement or just having him be the hehe funni guy without that minor early characterisation just seems so dumb
It's a literal character hook@@Zlittlepenguin
"I didn't spend 10 years in film school to tell someone else's story" Is the general vibe I get. The same reason they wouldn't just adapt manga's into anime they always changed the story around until like the 2000s. It's just hubris you already called it.
The idea of that sentiment baffles me so much. Like, I'm not disagreeing with your point - I think you're probably largely on the nose - but I just cannot understand the kind of person who would feel that way and then *choose* to take an existing story and 'tell it their way' rather than telling *their own story* for fucks sake.
Like, if you're adapting an existing series from one media to another, you should strive to keep as many things the same as possible because it is an adaptation of an existing story. You can change things when needed on a case-by-case basis, but you don't get free reign to just do whatever the fuck you want with it and I don't understand why the fuck any of these people would think otherwise.
If they wanted to tell their own Avatar story so fucking bad why didn't they pitch their own concept for a story set in the Avatar the Last Airbender universe featuring a unique cast of new characters, following an Avatar from well before Aang's cycle where they can have a full sandbox to do whatever they like. Instead they're going to try and adapt something we already had, already loved, into something new.
@@kitsunekage12 To be fair, they probably don't have a choice -- going for a nostalgia property is waaay more guaranteed to make money than an original one, so they were likely mandated.
Otherwise I agree with you, though. If they had a choice, this would be a baffling one to make if they just wanna make their own thing anyways.
Edit: Somehow I skipped your last paragraph. That's a great idea
Either that or it was some executives making these dumb decisions to ruin it.
After what they did to Death Note I truly believe its just maliciousness. Like that story is so insanely easy to adapt to a live medium but they just refuse to do it. Culture rot is real and its actively happening.
@@kitsunekage12 maybe its the same emotions as those artist that take existing anime characters and make them black and saying i fixed the character, in question by making them a parody of black people which isnt how black people look and look ugly as fuck.
they probably have a ton of hubris and think they can "fix" the show by ruining it with their prejudice that they are smarter and better then everyone even better then the OG creators and think they can fix "flaws" in the story that arent even flaws in the first place and just ruining overall the story itself.
My dad is in his 50's and hes a huge avatar fan. he bought the avatar game for us back when we still had a play station 2. I showed him the trailers for the netlix show and he looked excited, i really hope this series wont let him down.
most likely will, considering the original creators left but they’re making an animation movie next year which i hope will be good
I like having a different generation like the things i do, i personaly use my 50 years old father to make him watch the garbage shows just to see if someone without all the internet drama in mind can apreciate it. Most of the time he just comes out with a "meh" and never talks about them again lmao
Don’t have him watch it. I’m begging you
IKR!? My cranky military veteran, construction worker dad is in his 60s and suggests rewatching the show quite a bit.
im afraid to say it might disappoint us all 😭
Remember if your gonna watch it out of morbid curiosity or hate, pirate it. Don't give Netflix the view so they think it's ok to keep doing this.
lol so just take this guys word about a show he’s never seen before ? You people are weird
@@Mr.rock3t No I just recognize when shits gonna be weird. I'm willing to bet money it is gonna be some "ThE mEsSaGe" show from the comments they've made. If it's good sure I'll watch it on Netflix but for the first couple episodes I'm sailing the seven seas.
@@Mr.rock3t the original storywriters involved in the show left/were fired because they couldnt agree with what the director wanted to do to the series. and by announcing they want it to be more like Game of Thrones, they've already shat on what the Avatar series is all about. they're removing character development and lessons that would be taught and learned over the course of the series.
Since Netflix doesn't look at anything past views and subs, the only way to watch it without influencing that is pirate it, of which i of course don't condone! that would be illegal! if someone does pirate it, they can always go forward and then contribute that view and sub if they deem it worthy.
all that aside, for some reason people have some unfathomable stupid desire to try and make shit hyperealistic/edgy to a disgusting degree. game development standards aside, its why Palworld is so popular. because apparently bringing a Purge simulator with slavery and warcrimes to a kids game is fun fun fun! psychopaths.
People like you are going to hate watch it just to whine about it.
This kid show is so fkn over rated. So glad I skipped out on watching it.
@@matguimond92 Explain to me how something so massive and popular is "over rated".
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ATLA was already mature and took itself seriously. It was grounded, mature, and adult. Being mature and an adult doesn't mean you have to constantly bring out sex and violence, and it doesn't mean you swear and constantly pout.
You tell a story. You show, not tell. You know when to laugh, you know when to cry. To be a mature adult means you don't feel a sense of fear or embarrassment from consuming a good story. If one can't recognize the maturity and depth of the story being told and as presented, then you simply are not mature.
As CS Lewis put it,
“Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.”
Yes, yes, yes! I always refer to this CS Lewis quote when people refer to maturity or being “adult.” I think it encapsulates the true distinction between a childish want to be an adult and truly being one. And a lot of adults miss that mark altogether.
People seem to confuse the difference between mature and adult, especially those at Netflix
I swear if they just make it adult with “ah yes these characters swear now” I’m going to riot. One of my least favorite trends is taking a kid friendly IP and inserting just a bunch of language in attempt to make it seem more adult, but it really ends up being much more childish than the original source material because of the language. Nothing wrong with language in media, but when it’s gratuitous and unnecessary like in Forespoken it just comes off as immature
Exactly. When I watched it as a I kid I got most of what was going on. But then rewatching it as an adult gave me a whole new appreciation for the show. I've probably watched it like 5 times at this point
CS Lewis put to pen the exact way I felt about these "adult" and "gritty" adaptations that feel an incessant need to shit on the mediums it came from to be seen as valid to their audience. Man put to word thoughts I could never.
I’m not sure how many times producers need to hear this…
_”If it ain’t broke. Don’t fix it!”_
More important, _never change a running system_ though I doubt someone ever told them no, who wasn't above their paygrade or could look for a new job the next day.
Hollywood's logic is "if it ain't stale, keep milking it"
I don't think you understand that a lot of these companies and show runners are paid to push a political agenda, it's not about thinking the show is great
if it aint broke, dont break it
Avatar fans deserve this crap. I'd watch all the good shows back in the 2000s then Avatar or Invader Zim would come on I'd just boot up the good old n64. screw watching that foster kid toddler crap. I'd rather put up with Disney Channel garbage like Phineas and Ferb. Yuck.
Every time the original creators leave a beloved project I abandon it immediately. Thankfully I wasn't hyped I knew they couldn't help but ruin it like everything else.
Yep don't get why people don't just do this. You know full well that One Piece on Netflix would've been another Cowboy Bee bop if the creator wasn't able too be heavily involved
It’s wild they wanna make ATLA more like GOT meanwhile ripping the sexism out of the show, inadvertently nuking Sokka and Katara’s character development
I was just gonna mention that. We wanna make this show not for kids but also Sokkas mild sexism that he learns to overcome is too much? 🤡
Netflix writers don't know what a character arc is. I fear Sokka is gonna be dumb, weak and egocentric from ep1 till the end of the show. All of that learning to be humble, strong, confident, a leader, etc is a bit "toxic" for some people nowadays.
Weird, they couldn't handle that part in the original, lmaoo but want GOT🤨🤢
Literally makes 0 sense 😂
@@erenjaeger1738That’s literally so minor in GOT. Like literally a scoffed over fact 😂
Avatar is literally something that is already written and a masterpiece. It’s literally all done and all they have to do is film the thing. Such an easy lay up and for some reason they want to try and make a full court shot.
What a disaster
An easy layup is an over statement, the opposing team setup stairs to the hoop
The only thing they messed up is not giving Iroh and the White Lotus more screen time, especially when Sokka was given a pisho (I know I misspelled it) white lotus piece. Could have had something where he learns more about tactics and stuff.
This is literally only for people who think animation is only for kids, that’s it. Even though Avatar is probably one of the most mature “kids” shows out there. It’s maddening.
Uncle iroh in Ba Sing Seh…..
mAtUre KiDs sHoW
just deal with the fact people look at you clowns as weirdos that still watch cartoons in their 20s/30s.
The entire premise of the show is that there was an airbender genocide and the fire nation is seeking to control every nation through force 😂
Avatar was also one of the greatest examples of a cartoon not talking down to it's audience and though it is very kid friendly for a lot of it's runtime, it has enough nuance for teens to be engaged in and enough relatability and depth for adults.
It's a perfect all rounder show for everyone, marketed mainly to kids/teens.
Has it's issues but it's to me, one of, if not the best cartoon series there is in the west.
Plus like Rob said, built on a genocide you don't see but see the aftermath of and there's plenty of other mature bits in there for older audiences.
Case in point, Sokka in his tent waiting for Suki and Jet. Kids aren't dumb.
*SPOILER*
SPOILER: Jet's giga dead but was left pseudo "ambigous", ie no body but we all know and it was later confirmed he's dead.
What’s next, Azula will become a princess of nature instead of the nation and make her less evil to be more “sympathetic “?
I like the idea of the show diving into events that we haven't seen in the cartoon. For example the invasion of the Southern Air Temple and the Agni Kai between Zuko and his father. That's a really good way to create something new and fresh while respecting the source material.
However, changing major characteristics in the protagonists puts this show on the fast track to being dismissed by the fanbase. It's crazy how studios haven't realized that yet.
Well, they did show the majority of the Agni Kai in the show. Uncle Iroh tells the story: Zuko refused to fight and the only part that wasn't shown was the actual face burning, because Iroh looked away. But the rest of your comment is 👍
There is a lot of potential for showing darker things that were glossed over in the original series. The plot does revolve around a genocide and a hundred year long war spanning the globe. However, it would take some seriously robust writing to be able to capture the original charm of the series alongside grittier depictions of the conflict without some serious tonal dissonance. You kinda have to commit to one or the other to have a chance to succeed. The problem here is that they seem to be under the impression that the gritty is what the audience wants over the charm which could not be further from the truth. They probably have hope they can do both but from what I know of Netflix that's a foolish hope.
@@kylepessell1350 I agree with you to an extent. I think it can be done with expert writing and timing. Can't show the Airbenders getting wiped out and then cut straight to a comedic relief moment. But you CAN show those events with high action and dark results and then reel the audience back to a place of comfort/familiarity and then mix in some light-hearted fun or banter, this is done in almost every example of (good) cinema. In the cartoon there are plenty of examples of this. I am cautiously optimistic about this show, but I will be the first to dismiss it if I detect any tomfoolery.
There is a tightrope that they are choosing to walk
But right next to it is just a normal side walk they could walk instead
Why are beloved properties always given to people with no respect for or understanding of said property?
Because they're owned by people with a lot of money, who only see the works as ways to generate more cash to stuff their snob-lined pockets with
i think because the people who care for the IP are being outbid/sold by the people who believe "its problematic and must be fixed to be accepted by modern audences"
ESG and DEI. Simple as.
$$$
I watched the creators breakdown of the trailer and they actually seemed very knowledgeable of the show and maintained that they tried to keep it as close as possible. I feel like a lot of these headlines and random quotes are just being played up for publicity. It's crazy how people are making judgement when the show isn't even out yet
I think people often misunderstand that the 'Family' label on media doesn't mean 'for kids'. The 'Family' Label means FAMILY of all ages, that's means Mom and Dad and can watch it along with their teens, their young kids, and heck even the grandparents. It's enjoyable for the whole family. That's the point. That's why Avatar is so universally loved by all ages.
You forget that these people don't believe in the nuclear FAMILY. I guess this is their idea of FAMILY. I guess we need Dom to teach them the meaning of FAMILY.
My friend and I have been having lengthy discussions about this and it makes me so mad.
Not only was this flaw instrumental in his growth but his sexism was needed for Katara's growth. It was her first battles with the subject matter through her brother that aided her journey of independence and gave her her voice to defend herself and her choices. Their fights and discussions and her need to prove him wrong were then internalized by him and helped him grow and see through the eyes of someone who he loved and who loved him that he needed to be better. They both needed this.
The news was fake why does no one check this. Sokkas sexism is being changed to be less cartoonish but it is still there. The game of thrones thing was fake.
@@talkingweevil3172 cool beans bro 🫘
@@talkingweevil3172 Do you have your proof that this was fake? Or did Netflix come out afterwards saying it was fake because of the backlash?
@@Nexus_KT do you have proof it is real? No you don’t. These are random news sites trying to get clicks. The only semi true thing is they are making his sexism less cartoonish but not removing it. The new Netflix clip describes aang as a fun loving kid with responsibilities he doesn’t really want and I’m not sure about the GOT thing but I can’t find an official statement of that anywhere just random news sites.
The key behind these adaptations is brand recognition. They have doubts about their own ideas, so they rely on something familiar that could appeal to viewers. We've seen this with Velma, Halo, and now Avatar.
@MrPipol-nm3cd What narrative issues? Like the ones talked about in the video that aren’t “issues” to be fixed in the first place?
I know it’s easy to just write off as it is basically common knowledge but the destruction Warner and Disney did to their IP was epic. The stuff of legend. Songs will be sung. Sad songs but still.
@MrPipol-nm3cdsurely he needs the views 🤡
I think all narrative and theme based changes are ALL politically motivated and in earnest to push narratives on new generations.
@MrPipol-nm3cd insane comment thinking that the water tribes are matriarchal when in the episode with the northern water tribe katara is literally refused the ability to become a warrior and has to use her powers to heal like all the other female benders...same with how in the southern water tribe all of the warriors who left to fight the fire nation were all men. Sokka literally learns his lesson within four episodes by getting beat by the kiyoshi warriors but no its a character trope.
Whenever companies try to pander to an older audience, they almost always end up, making their product overly edgy in an effort to be “mature”
As far as i can make out, "edgy" occurs when middlebrow middle aged profiteers are looking to suck the energy - not to mention spending money- out of the "youth culture". So they come up with this fake concept of seeming dangerous when every move they make is the result of market research and a corporate master plan - Daria
But Sexism is too edgy
Ironically it's the "edgy" shit that I most associate with being a child. Like, adding more sex and edgelord seriousness with no lighting in every scene is something I thought was cool in middle school lmao
This is part of what happened with Legend of Korra.
People who don't understand the original story shouldn't be put in charge of changing it, especially if the original is as beloved as this.
The last airbender actually felt much more mature than korra, with so many moments of genuine wisdom. Korra feels like it's trying to be mature, but because the writers weren't equipped to properly deal with mature subject matter, it only felt mature if you only looked at it from a surface level, without thinking any deeper. I really wanted this to be good, but it will probably be the same, or worse.
The most cursed sentence "for a modern audience..."
Yeah that will be fine
The fuck is a "modern audience"?????????
I think when you're talking modern audiences, it should be more talking eras rather than a few years or even decades. Ian McKellen had a great interview when he was 42 (42 years ago) about how the face of "realism" shifted in modern audiences between the 19th century to the then 20th because it was all about the camera now. The same performances that could move an audience to tears in the 19th could get laughter from an audience in the 20th, because the distance to the audience and therefore what the audience could accept as reality changed.
What it should not mean is "look at this cool epic show GoT that plebs couldn't handle back in 2005 when this cartoon came out, let's make it like that because it's popular"
@@billbill6094 so no comedic scenes then, not gonna watch this dumpster fire
@@LTG-n5iit has comedic scenes
"Trust me, I won't make the same mistakes again."
"No, this time, you're making all new ones!"
Why are studios afraid of characters who aren’t perfect?
Because to them those aren't characters, those are products, and products need to be presented as perfect as possible for people to buy,
Also people now adays are soo fucking fake and addicted to acting like they're perfect in everyway that if someone has any flaws it's a stain on them as people and they can never change, imagine if someone irl went through a similar arc to sakka, being sexist or over all a bagot then getting outside their bubble and getting humbled, thar person would be canceled to high heaven if people knew if their past
thank disney for that, omitting mulan's struggles and development and hero's journey to reach the top to make her immediately better than everyone else and with superpowers to boot
@@mitab1 I notice this a lot on modern content creators. Charlie thankfully is excluded here because he's one of the few people who have their own personality and way of speaking but most of the people I watch now vs 5 or 10 years ago are all the same people with the same morals and same ideas, their voices are barely different sometimes.
I'd describe people today as working based on laws. I don't mean that back then we used to do illegal stuff and that was cool, just that now people are all following the same book on how to speak, express themselves and behave, like they're programmed in the same way. Goes far beyond than just agreeing on what's right and wrong.
This is bleeding in our fiction too, we're writing the exact same character with the exact same set of morals and reactions based on 3 types max regardless of context or the world they're in. This can really be felt with Marvel if you're looking for an obvious example.
Because they want kids more entitled, more rude, more unbearable, and become terrible adults.. there's no moral lessons in media anymore, awful characters are shown as heroes now, the most arrogant, rude, delusional, terrible to other characters, somehow able to beat anyone at everything, without years of practice..they are setting kids up to fail, to be weak and easily manipulated, they are creating better slaves, and the downfall of modern society..it was never accidental, its all by design..planned decades ago.
Media literacy has gone down! Genuinely, they aren't teaching kids in school how to read into stories anymore, soTwitter has them thinking that presenting an idea in a story = endorsing it. And now big studios, afraid of backlash, are catering to that, which only makes the problem worse. The stories don't challenge anyone, so audiences never learn to be challenged.
"It couldn't just be for kids."
I watched Avatar for the first time in my 30s. I still adored it. Fun and goofy doesn't mean a work can't also tackle mature topics.
Preach
Right?? I watched it as a kid, but I re-watched it with my mum recently - she's in her sixties and she's now recommending it to all her friends, she loves it. The idea that Avatar can only appeal to children is ridiculous
@Gyrfalcon312it’s amazing
@Gyrfalcon312 It's genuinely incredibly well done. It tackles incredibly mature topics, like war, propaganda, ego, legacy, duty, all kinds of things that you don't expect from a "cartoon", but more than that, it handles them in a way that is appropriate for kids while not being patronizing. "There is no war in Ba Sing Se" was probably a lot of kids' introductions to propaganda and what it does.
This has the same energy as "We are proud to announce that none of our team that worked on the Halo show have looked or played any of the Halo games"
Did they really say that?
@@IcaroRamosDMyea they actually did.
@@RabbiShmuelShecklestien lol How can anyone in any circumstance think that that was a good thing to do or to say?
@@IcaroRamosDMThis was taken out of context it was relating to how they understood it as more of a game but a universe
@@IcaroRamosDMno he's being sarcastic. But the people who made the Halo show did indeed confirm they didn't watch or play any of the games.
Hate it when showrunners have absolutely no respect for the IP they want to adapt. What a bloody shame.
Okay, at this point given Netflix's track record I think it's safe to say the problems are coming from the company themselves, not the hundreds of directors and writers they employ...
Someone at Netflix thinks they're better at writing a show than people who actually write successful shows, and it needs to stop
the whole phenomenon of people who think they can write a world better then the creators themselves while also shooing off or silencing the creators needs to stop.
When are people gonna realize that politics has wormed its way into everything. Colleges are completely liberal and are breeding people who eat sleep and breath liberal politics. The people then get hired into the workforce and become writers but are incapable of writing a story without a political bias. Any TV show or movie written by a person obsessed with social politics will be trash. America has become so political over the last 10 years with Blue and red. conservatives versus liberals trump versus Biden that of course the people write material with politics slipped in. Charlie likes to say bad writers bad writers but fails to see that it is not that they can not write, it is that they are mentally obsessed with social politics. Colleges are creating liberal young adults who are very ideological and when ideological people write stories, it is impossible to not have the biases become apart of the writing. We use to have writers who sole goal was to entertain and write good stories, but now it is not about a good story it is about "positive social change" again because the writers are ideological. Why do you think some of the best media these days is now starting to come from places outside the US because other countries especially Japan does not have liberal ideologs writing shows ,movies and games. They have people doing that. People who care about a good products not a social message. The people who are writing more and more of the material you see coming out of Hollywood over the last 5 years are not writers they are social activists. Look at twitter before musk. Almost completely liberal 99% liberal company with liberal politics. What happened at twitter is happening everywhere especially in the media industry
it’s actually depressing to know this is (probably) one of the many reasons as to why we haven’t had shows or movies hit as often compared to things released back in 2K. But again it’s all about the money unfortunately.
Those damn no name producers. We can't point to any of them and shame them of messing up the art.
Yeah, Netflix deliberately chooses writers and showrunners following their guidelines. This is why they probably hire the original creators as consultants so they can be cut off easily when Netflix does his things.
It’s annoying that every live action version has to be adult because some people don’t think cartoons can have good stories too
real
Oldtimers in hollywood can't get with the times, pretty much. Theres a reason why overseas media got so popular
It’s the pure lack of respect for children. The idea that if a child is capable of enjoying it then it’s value decreases, according to them 😒
so true, i watched the original show for the first time as an adult and it blew my mind how good it was. It doesn't need more adult themes to be better ): its already a compelling story
@@barfbag6897 its already got adult themes. episode 3 or 4 Ang finds out his people have been the victims of genocide
They've done the same thing with The Witcher. They literally had material and recipe for a huge success, but they decided to change it and messed up
they could've made it more inclusive in so many better ways too, still salty about what they did to eskel
@@muhammedtahir786They should of just been mostly Slavic and Balkan cast to represent the culture the story is from.
They actively choose not to use the books of the TV show it’s so annoying. First the Witcher now this.
@@DragonKnightX12 The Witcher is not really Slavic or Balkan, Sapkowski said himself that he was inspired by many different cultures
@@aschita1569 All depictions we get are very medevial eastern Europe.
Just keep close it as possible to the source material is all they got to do to make these shows good.
More creators just need to be like Oda, and make them do it right.
4:47 I can answer why studios are afraid of flawed characters. They're afraid of taking that risk and the audience not liking the character before the growth occurs. I don't know why they're doing this for an established series where we already know the character grows but that's most definitely the reason. Also, they should know by now that doing this loops back to people not liking the character but guess not.
Just to list everything out, so far the live action has:
- Misinterpreted and removed Sokka's sexism and character development
- Removed Katara's nuturing characteristic of her personality
- Misinterpreted and removed Aang's childlike qualities that also double as character flaws, removing his character development in the process
- Removed all the side adventures they went on in the cartoon, instead opting to rush the crew to the Northern Water Tribe
- Said that they're "not making it a show just for kids" when the original was aimed at all ages and tackled a lot of sensitive subjects
- Aiming the show for GoT fans instead of AtLA fans just for the ratings???
If they already messed up 3/5 of Team Avatar, I'm not excited about whatever they might do to Toph or Zuko. It feels like the writers just looked at the cartoon to make bank, not appreciate the source material (which I'm not surprised about). I'll just wait for Avatar Studios' new projects and rewatch the cartoon instead
Shitflix
I stg it'll be so disappointing if they ruin Zuko's character development somehow
Huh? Since when were they removing Katara's nurturing personality? Also, you people are blowing things out of proportion. It's an 8 episode season. Obviously some filler episodes aren't going to be present to retain the pacing. We know for a fact that characters like Jet and the Mechanist are present in the season, so it's not like they're removing all the side stories.
@@jessetheanimenerd3304 I would bet money on them removing Katara's nurturing traits because in the cult of the cultural left any traditional gender traits are "bad" for no reason.
This is what I tell people when they want shorter seasons. Shorter seasons = less of the fun side content. That's why the ~20 episode season is the best.
So so true. I really hope they’re exaggerating and the show ends up being better than what they’re portraying it to be
Don’t get your hopes up, remember that it’s Netflix, they don’t keep promises.
Lol most likely no, You should know Netflix has a history of ruining beloved media franchises
Not to mention the original creators left halfway due to "creative differences" between them and netflix
That or someone lied to the showrunner so that they can make it a better adaptation under their nose.
Nah they removed sokka's character development
Sad that they can't seem to grasp the fact that flawed characters are what make stories not only relatable but interesting. We don't need hollowed out shells of humans.
For a modern audience
@@kremesauceIt's not for a modern audience. This idea that modern audiences don't want flawed and nuanced characters is just, flat wrong. The most popular movies this past year were Barbie and Oppenheimer, both with very flawed characters (very gritty, in Oppenheimer's case). The appetite for full fleshed out characters is still there. Creators simply lack the backbone to handle the minor pushback they will receive if they have uncomfortable themes in their works.
@@kyletucker3811 Preach man
@@kyletucker3811 exactly. People will always connect better to a story if it has solid character development. And the way to actually have character development is for the character to start with flaws and challenges to overcome... a simple concept and yet multi million dollar companies keep taking L's in that regard. The mind boggles.
We need to boycot netflix to make a statement to these people who keep ruining our beloved IPs
People who never installed Netflix: *Why are you still on it then? Just uninstall!*
They put up a p33d0 movie and most people didn't care. Boycott will never happen.
Boycott them all you want. It won’t make any difference. Netflix is a de facto extension of the state. Obama’s national security advisor heads its board of directors. It’s one giant propaganda farm. You.. didn’t realize that?
Honestly you kind of got a point. Avatar nailed feminism and mature themes better than any show Netflix has made. You know why stranger things is so good? Because it doesn’t have any of that woke shit. Like does Netflix realize if they made the show scene for scene live action people would be happy? Like stop changing shit
At that point though, why are you even making a live action show? just watch the original.
I am with you, I think trying to alter the essential parts of ATLA is stupid, I guess my point is why even try? The OG is good as is
I still hope for a 21+ rated adult smurf live action movie where gritty smurfs do drive bys and sling smurf berries behind seedy mushroom houses.
Say my name.
You're Papa Smurf.
You're Goddamn right.
What movie has ever been 21+? Is that a thing in some countries?
Maybe the movie can only be bought in a bundle with a pack of Marlboro reds
oh, but please make sure that the smurfs are morally innocent and have family values, of course.
Bro, I think you accidentally created a best seller
Literally not allowed to have character growth anymore. Him getting past his sexism and becoming a better person was able to be understood by children on a nickelodeon cartoon, but adults watching a shittastic live action can't grasp the concept.
fight club, breaking bad, american psycho
taxi driver, barbie
@@Bluejay-ft3ki What?
@@Bluejay-ft3ki What?
john wick, nobody, spongebob the movie, talk to me, scary movie 2
My biggest fear was that they would make Aang too serious and lose his childlike nature...this has me thinking they'll do exactly that
Exactly like the movie and Sokka having zero humor like in the movie as well
I mean I admittedly haven't watched every piece of promotion material, but from everything I've seen of the show so far, I haven't even seen the kid smile one time. same with sokka, they've both had the same facial expression the entire time.
literally the biggest part of the final season is Aang trying to procrastinate his way out of having to kill the fire lord, like procrastination was Aang's number 1 flaw, he got side tracked so easily and quickly because his "destiny" of being the avatar was just to big of a burden for him to truly confront at that age
That’s not what the article says he didn’t read the full thing it says at the end at the end of the day Ang is a goofy kid who likes to do a lot of dumb things Literally his character is still the same what it is saying is that just moving one story point forward it’s nothing about character.
This is why some movies and shows cant or shouldn't be recreated, perfect example is back to the future its literally impossible to recreate it because youd never be able to capture it the way they did the first time, some media is timeless and should be respected that way
It's such a shame how they're seemingly gutting the essence of Avatar just to appease a different audience. Why adapt a beloved classic if they're going to change its fundamental elements? Missteps like this show a clear lack of understanding and respect for the original material.
they want to capitalize on the continued and sustained love of avatar, but they also want to capitalize on the fact that game of thrones was the biggest show in the world. it’s money. it’s about money
It’s gotta be updated for mOdErN aUdIeNcEs
It was looking promising till they decided to do that bs. I swear modern writers don't understand what characters development is.
They do this with every show and every movie now, it’s called pandering
They did the same thing with Korra. They struck gold with Avatar and couldn’t let it go.
Netflix really is trying their hardest to be the next EA
nah they are trying to be disney and throw their money down the drain as fast as possible
In what way? Being bad?
@@dampking y-yeah? What other way would it be? Their great business sense?
@@dampkingHas anyone EVER had anything good to say about EA?
@@majortellandrus2552 this dude really stuttered in text
unlike most people i know, i didn’t grow up watching avatar (aside from a few episodes i’d catch on nicktoons like “the headband”). i was 18 the first time i watched it front to back, and i STILL haven’t seen another cartoon with such nuance and maturity, perfectly blended with goofiness and slapstick. it made me cry THREE times: once during iroh’s tale, once during appa’s lost days, and once at the REUNION of appa with the gaang. that ALONE is something the live-action can’t pull off with the “serialized” approach. plus, diminishing sokka’s arc, as well as removing aang’s childish desires, DESTROYS their development. IT HASN’T EVEN COME OUT YET.
ugh. i want it to be good, i really do. but if they’re willing to rewrite something that was already good, why would i bother watching it when the good thing already exists?
I watched it around 18 too, maybe a little later, after deeming it "kiddie shit" when my friend recommended it to me. I finally decided to try it, and my entire opinion shifted when the villain with the nasty scar was not only given a sympathetic backstory but a REASON he had the scar that was interlinked with why he was in the show to begin with. I fell in love around the time I found myself rooting for the villain to win and realized "wait that means he catches the Avatar...uh...man I hope they give him some other kind of win!!" 😂 And now angsty fire boy is in my top three favorite characters of any media, and Avatar is in my top three favorite franchises with Star Trek and Animorphs.
adventure time is pretty nuanced & mature too but it's one those shows that grew with the mc & it's audience so it does it in increments
Same, I'm a dude who watched it at 20. Iroh's tale had me sobbing into the sink like a little baby. I've found peace with the fact that the perfect show already exists and these knockoff attempts are just noise
@ilovecod721 I can Relate SO HARD to your story, It was a Decent show to watch when nothing else was on. It's Sad to see this Developmentally Disabled Company trying to destroy it.
dawg i was watching this after school I would actually be sooo hyped to leave school to get home and watch a new episode. it was the most satisfying shit I ever experienced
There are few things that evoke as much emotion in me as hearing "I don't think boomerang is coming back Toph, it looks like this is the end."
Reading their statements makes you know that not a single person on the team actually watched and understood the show for what it was
I love how they take a steaming dump on the fans.
Now it's all coming to light why the original creators left the project. Sigh....
@jujuchonk yuup already know this is about to be trash like the last live action . Idk why they don't just make a live action of Korra it would be much easier and less pressure since it wasn't as good as the last Airbender 🫠 I also wouldn't give a damn what they did with korra but the last air bender? Please don't touch.
I think korra wasnt way worse its just a different kind of show. It would be alot easier though bc it was more adult gritty and action packed. They could have done what they wanted easier. Changing would be easier too bc it was shorter seasons @@sunset6958
@@jujuchonkthey also wanted to change things though
Literally just recreating the cartoon, shot for shot, would have been free money.
Fr that first trailer side-by-side with the animated trailer I was so excited
Would've been better than whatever we're getting at least
Why do all of these Netflix showrunners think they know better than the CREATORS. Do they make these people in a factory or something?
I feel like you're probably already a little creatively bankrupt when you decide you want to adapt someone else's TV show to a different TV show but live action this time.
to be fair fans have been hungry for more ATLA, and especially after that movie disappointment@@braidans4767
There is one exception, and that's One Piece. At least we have that.
@@kyletucker3811Og creator was involved that's why
If by factory you mean California, then yes.
Corporations these days make their characters squeaky clean and bland because of their soulless greed. They don't have passion for their stories, they just want it to sell, which means making their content and art as inoffensive as possible, even if it destroys the heart of it.
I will *LEGIT* cancel my Netflix subscription if they fuck up Avatar.
They said they're changing Sokka's sexism, so they already messed it up
@@eldenvedetta635yeah they don't seem to understand that the flaws in the characters like sokka's sexism and Katara's mothering are parts of their character arc that they grow through.
oh buddy I already have welcome to the pirate verse
I’ve already cancelled mine, with all that’s come out already I know it’s going to be trash
Better save some money and cancel it pre-emptively
Pretty sure that they are saying "We lowered the comedy to make it more for an adult audience" but in the worst way possible. But the "Sexist Soka" being eliminated is pure stupidity.
So they're gonna make it garbage because they think adults cant laugh
It's because a lot of adults are children
I just gaslighted like 5 people to care about this stupid comment😂😂
@@crispkiller6701Because it was quite literally pivotal to his early character development. I'm not sure what show you watched actually if you don't think that. His entire relationship with Suki would not EXIST without that arc???
@@DopeioThePhoneBoi sorry I meant to say in my opinion so I’m showing thats what I think and u think wat u think
What sucks is that if this does end up flopping because of all these dumb decisions, you know that corporate will just interpret it as "People don't like Avatar" and not let the actual creators do anything with it.
I'll be ok with that if it means that the series can finally rest
That's actually why Palworld blew up. The new Pokémon games genuinely suck yet the Pokémon company paid for marketing for a game they never filled the demand for (by continually depicting a complex, thriving world full of magical creatures and then the games are just...not that...) so Palworld came and fulfilled that demand which reaped the rewards of that marketing. Pokemon could've reaped those rewards had they actually made good games and stop being afraid to try something new. It's like corporate Fight, Flight, and Freeze and the Pokémon company chose to freeze.
@@ZentaBon They released the Arceus game which was a major step in the right direction then immediately slammed that baby in reverse.
True that's all that will happen now. They ran out of "if you don't like it you're an istophobe."
@Govna2104 Nickelodeon can and will shut that down whenever they feel like lol
Im convinced there's a secret war between big companies to see who can flop the most
Iirc, Sokka and Kataras village had women who were healers, and men who fought. Sokka was essentially raised as a child soldier. Katara broke the mold by being a fighter later on.
Its crazy how Sokka had to be toned down for sexism when it could argued he was a victim of it.
It was even worse because all the men of the tribe were killed when they were children, so Sokka always had the thought that it was all on him to protect the tribe weighing down on him.
Sexism affects everyone, even if it looks different for certain people.
@@Muongoing.97cthey did not die they went to help fight the fire nation
@SuperTelsaCoil they weren't killed, but they did leave to go to war
Sokka was the only 'man' in his village, and was convinced by trauma that if he failed to 'be a man' the fire nation would wipe out his whole village, he was just trying to protect his people, especially his sister, who waslike a mother to him, his whole backstory is tragic and beautiful, and they are gonna trash it because 'sexism is effy.'
The reason why Netflix's One Piece live adaptation worked well was because Oda stood behind it all the way and signed off on any character/story changes.
As an audience, when we hear this, we understand the show runners are attempting to be respectful and faithful to the original work so we appreciate the show and are more forgiving towards any changes, as we see it as a mutual agreement between the show runners and the original creators rather than a "f**k you, your story sucks" or "this material has outdated social elements, so we will write a better one instead".
I grew up in an extremely strict household. Even most Disney shows were off the table. My dad caught us watching avatar one day but by a miracle got sucked in. Me and my siblings would watch Avatar every week with my dad. It’s one of the few untainted memories I have of him. We would sing the songs and make inside jokes with him about the show. Such a shame that I probably won’t be able to recommend a new watch time tradition with my dad and the new live action. *especially* if they take it in the GOT direction.
The animated show was so good that it transcended fucking militant households.
The ATLA Live Action Team had a good and massive ship that was already setting sail smoothly. There wasn't even a storm, but they just started poking holes on their own ship, just because it was "too hot inside the cabin"
THIS IS FAKE!!
for one piece, not only was the author heavily involved, but the show runners WANTED him involved.
Steven Maida and especially Matt Owens were interested in adapting one piece as authentically as possible in a live action format because they were fans of the story and respected its author, while other show runners want to adapt their own vision for the story thinking they are making it better.
they should've made an entire different series if they will remove some parts of the plot/characters/character traits
Those CUCKS should have the same attitude as the one piece ones. Hell, better, the lotr movie boies. Those amazing bastards treat the books like the Bible 2 to heart and only change when needed or agree will not translate well on screen not due to politics views, but practical and narrative wise on screen.
it's crazy how taboo sexism and racism are now. flawed characters aren't allowed to exist if they are flawed in those ways.
It’s weird because a genocidal maniac like Kylo Ren can be “redeemed” but Sokka can’t be sexist for a few episodes before learning better
Not just a genocidal maniac, a limp-wristed, wet-rag, matri and patricidal genocidal maniac. Blows my mind that he was "redeemed" sometimes. @@warlordofbritannia
@@warlordofbritanniamurder is not as bad as hurt feelings
Sexism and racism is taboo? What a shocker.
@@squegy349
Does Netflix even know that Avatar also covered genocide, imperialism, child soldiers, nationalist indoctrination, authoritarian regimes, abusive parents, survivor’s guilt, and other such serious issues?
Instructions for Netflix corporate executives:
Step 1: Fund it
Step 2: Shut up
“Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made.” - JRR Tolkien
It’s honestly Hollywood’s fault that animation is perceived this way, given how often it’s belittled and disrespected at the Academy, which is ostensibly a key sounding board for the public at large.
It’s the boomer effect of the entertainment industry where everyone knows animation isn’t solely a children’s medium but older generations simply refuse to acknowledge that despite overwhelming evidence.
It also ironically infantilizes adult audiences by acting like they can’t appreciate a story that doesn’t involve gratuitous sex, language or violence.
It funny how the most kid-friendly stories tend to be more mature than the overly graphic and violent stories that big wigs in Hollywood come out with
Edit: and that is because there actual emotion behind it is heartfelt
@@painvillegaming4119 ive watched kid shows about assassination, war, genocide, and racism l, then theres adults shows with sex and swears
This is the perfect summation of it. It is a compounding effect as Boomers in Hollywood belittle animation and treat it like a child's artform. All that does is relegate American animation to the bottom of the totem pole. But they chose that almost actively!
It'd be like if a baker walked into a room and was like "Idk guys I was gonna bring cake but no one likes it." And then everyone's like "We actually like it. Not only do we want cake, we want many varieties of it" Then the baker shrugs and is like "I don't know I don't like cake. No one I know likes cake. Maybe people just hate cake" Like we all know the reality. It's just purposely being dodged because they made up their minds like 40 years ago.
@@painvillegaming4119not a single action comedy more mature than prime nick or cn shows
Another thing I hate is this idea that live action is the ultimate art form, the ultimate transcendence of art. Video games need to be live action to be valid. Animated things must be live action to be valid. Repeat that into infinity. And people eat it up due to this age-old notion they had as kids that it would be so cool if the thing they liked looked realistic. That mentality only persists because no one came along with a grand statement to say "Hey no, your thing perfectly fits the medium its in. Animation is okay"
What's worse is how much it justifies soulless retreads. We could spend time and money on new stories for stuff like Avatar and TLOU that utilize those mediums to their fullest without retreads, but they don't want that.
The last thing we need is for Azula to start acting like Cersei. For the love of GOD, my eyes are already bleeding.
Sooo...incest? 😭
Oh dear god, theyre gonna give her that life changing field trip with Zuko
god don't speak this into existence
That is to this day one of my favorite bits from the whole series, just the way she wholeheartedly blurted that out at the panel. @@Shiniyami
What a terrible day to have eyes
How on Earth do they justify Aang not going on sidequests? Sidequests are like 80% of the show, and it's where many of the best demonstrations of Eastern philosophy take place! It's how they meet several iconic characters. The entire reason they find out about the Day of Black Sun is by the gaang choosing _vacations,_ and the knowledge Sokka gains from that ends up being the central focus of much of the show. Like I don't mind if they remove the Great Divide, but imagine them removing Tales of Ba Sing Se. Absolute travesty.
Heh…”Earth”
it feels like this is going to be another hard boiled drama. remove anything fun, depth and make another over dramatic cinematic shitshow.
@@FZJanimated
The actual Avatar show covered genocide, imperialism, child soldiers, abusive parents, and survivor’s guilt all in the first season while retaining its ability to be lighthearted and fun.
The side quests taught us SO MUCH MORE than a bit of the main plot, honestly. It gave the characters depth, demonstrated eastern philosophy further than the main plot, and was full of life lessons.
Yeah, "sidequests" is kind of doing those episodes a disservice since they were chock-full of world building and many of them had something that intertwined with the main plot or gave us critical characterization. There are some episodes you could call "filler" but I don't think there's a single one the majority of fans could agree on cutting out entirely...it's not like the writers leaned on filler the way anime adaptations do.
Just when you thought Shyamalan was enough, here comes Netflix to butcher it once more
when i was still living with my mum, we used to do a yearly rewatch of the series. my mum, a woman in her fifties, would get so excited when dinner time would roll around and we could watch it together again. a lot of the time, she was the one saying to me "can we stay up and just watch _one_ more?"
the original series transcended the target audience of nickelodeon. it's something truly special, that adults and kids can love alike. the fact that the Netflix showrunners have such little faith in the original material, such little faith in their audience, that they think they have to drastically change the tone to be palatable, is such a massive disappointment.
That’s so wholesome 😮
Your moms adorable ngl
seems pretty fake
yuck. I'm a grown man I can't imagine watching cartoons with my mom. you people are creeps.
@@L0veKarma even if its not its pretty lame and sad. I smoke pot with my mom. see I can make up crap on the spot as well.
Sokka was the only "adult" male in his tribe after the rest of the men left to war. The Water Tribe are based on a much simpler civilization, like native americans or even inuit/eskimo people. And because of that Sokka adopts a very early (and somewhat ancient) worldview that men fight and women dont. But it wasn't until he met Suki, someone from an entirely different culture, that he was able to learn, apologize and change. Suki was also shown to be mature enough to forgive him, and even teach him a new way to see the world. Great message that people can be brought up with one world view and expand it based on those they interact with. Also, Sokka is shown to lose his "toxic masculinity" as the series went on and he evolves as a warrior. Ever notice how Sokka always used the club (very brutish weapon), but as time went on, he started to rely on things like his boomerang, strategy and eventually a sword? Remember it was he who wanted to go to the Library, he who found out about the eclipse, he helped with the submarines, and also planned and strategized much of the invasion. Also the only person who can read a map. Point being that something like "knowledge and intelligence" (something historically looked down upon by alpha males), became his ability to compete with the rest of the characters. He didn't stay a brute that hit things with a club, he grew and evolved into a character that was worthy of being a part of such a GOATED show. He literally went from a STR "Unga Bunga" build to "Chad" DEX user during the show run, and its fucking awesome. Also, there are so many amazing women characters in this show, that they do not need to be protected from Sokka's early character flaws. 90% of males who have watched this show, favorite character is the fucking 12 year old blind girl.
And an old man who loves tea.
There's no such thing as 'historical "alpha males"', those troglodites are a modern thing. Intelligence has always been valued alongside strength, with the caviat that having one without the other makes you 'lesser'. A strong man who lacked intelligence was seen as a brute, while a smart man without strength was seen as a coward.
I was thinking the exact same thing! It's hard to break out of that mentality when you have been indoctrinated in it for years!
hit the nail on the head.
One of the points I saw that stood out to me the most was the removal of the side plots. I think the side adventures the gang had were some of the most fundamental parts of Aang's growth and accepting his fate.
During the side adventures the fire nation's presence and threat was ever there in some shape. Aang couldn't run away from the fire nation because they had influence even in the most remote locations. He couldn't escape the consequences of his choices and HAD to acknowledge his fate.
It was through the side adventures that Aang realized the world was worth nutting up and saving. The showrunners don't understand anything.
@@MamaSymphonia for real, he met some of the best characters on so called "side adventures".
Heck, sokka's whole prison arc would be considered a side adventure but it established important character growth and motivations.
@@MamaSymphonia It also shows how Aang realizes he needs to defeat the Firelord not as "The Avatar" but as The Last Airbender. The world cannot run without the wisdom and love of one of _all_ it's cultures in the world to bring balance. The Air Nomads only have one repsresentative in the world, so using the Avatar State as an all-powerful gun that he can point at threats would be throwing away the wisdom of the monks, by the only person who represents it.
Don't even get me started on how important travelling the world is for Zuko.
I can't understand how they get the greenlight to make something that is already established and popular, then ruin it because they think they know better. HOW do you have creative differences with the creator