@@NiclasLoof Hammer and anvil tactics for me all day everyday, can't even imagine how bad I'd be if I didn't have 4 heavy cav flanking the enemy to save the line..
In both my campaigns so far the only Cav i've really used are light cavalry in the early game and then Bow Cav in the late game just for breaking out that stinky cheese and chasing off units.
Here they are great to obviously chase fleeing units, attack enemy archers and charge from rear to cause morale drop and mass route. Need some micro to run from all these spearman who try to catch them. It's not possible to field cavalry armies in this game, though when playing Takeda you can get away with slipping in an extra unit or two of cavalry to use the clan bonus. I used Yari cav quite often and it was nice, I guess Katana cav has more staying power to just keep hacking through enemy, but I don't want to stay with them in longer melee fight unless I know they will break their enemy soon.
oh ok, well i didnt play that much shogun 2 but i still have it, i dont know if i was doing the right things in the campaign mod :S i do love the portuguese cannons though, haha making a full line of those and just put a defensive spear line in front of them is so much fun
I really love how the Oda are the best (arguably) because it reflects history. True, Tokugawa Ieyasu ultimately united Japan, but Oda Nobunaga really did a lot of the early legwork. Plus he was so successful because he actually spammed ashigaru in real life. As a result his armies were larger and could cover way more ground. For balance sake the Otomo were given the gun advantages, but really Oda was the first to use them with any kind of efficacy.
Well. The game only represented 1 part of the Oda strength right--powerful and plentiful Ashigarus: Nobunaga's absolute disdains of hereditary Samurai and other noble classes, so he literally made Samurai status and lordship earn able military ranks that any and all common foot soldiers can achieve if they have the metal. however, the biggest disappointment of this otherwise flawless game is that CA completely F'ed up the balance on Arquebus and cannon units by making them uselessly underpowered: Those guys were the main stays of the later half of the Sengoku Jidai for heaven's sake and revolutionized how Japanese wage wars. If they follow the history, the gunpowder and siege units aside from Mangonels should absolutely outclass bow units in battlefield outside of some specific circumstances such as battles immediately after rain. The gunpowder units should be treated simply as higher tier ranged units instead of occupying a separate category that requires them to be balanced against bow and arrows. By the time of Sekigahara, guns and cannons were generally preferred over bows and arrows unless the unit is mounted.
I'd have lloved Shogun 2 if it had a similar Lord system to Three Kingdoms or Warhammer. I guess it doesn;t since it;s more of an actual historically accurate TW rather than a Fantasy one.
CA hit a lot of right notes with STW2. Warhammer TW2 is pretty good, but CA got a lot more leeway to do crazy things due to the fantasy setting. CA's "normal" TW games had to be relatively grounded in history, and STW2 did it just right.
Warhammer would have been my favorite setting if the campaign wasn't streamlined to the point of being dumbed down. I feel like Attila did a lot right in terms of campaign play but threw it all away in the fantasy setting.
That's a valid point. Tbh I always prefered the Barbarian Invasion campaign because it was shorter, more focused, and had more interesting asymmetry between the factions. Which is incidentally why I like Shogun 2 slightly less because of the sameyness of the factions. Both are great games though.
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Tyler are you kidding? You don't get bow warrior monks, have to convert every province and can't really use diplomacy for trade. They're good, but not the best.
Toby Black I think you confused them with the otomo because 1 you get warrior monks the just don't have buffs 2 after you beat the tokugawa and the imagawa you can make a fuck tone of diplomatic/trade agreements due to war horses and 3 your religion in the one that most clans have
Coming from the newer games, I love how clear and legible the map is. They really did a great job of making it look beautiful but really playable as well. newer games look nicer but are a busier and often I cant tell when I'm on a new nations border.
for the ikko ikki it should be worth noting that inciting revolts with your monks creates small AI armies that can take a settlement for you without declaring war, and creating something like a distraction so your main force could flank around or set ambush. my favorite unit is shimazu katana samurai, with gold sword. obviously pretty late game but i feel they make a decent mini general or morale keeper, while effectively being able to attack or defend if treated like average samurai
If you know how to properly use cavs yes bloodthirst is incredibly useful to takeda/any cav tactics. Try to attack/ambush whenever you can as you play takeda, best on rainy days with no hills. Weaken your enemy’s morale with monks. Try to steal a kill on their generals if there’s a chance. Avoid charging into spear walls head-on or prolong melee with spear infantries. Ashigarus are vulnerable to morale debuffs so a a charge from their back will do the deed. If you choose to play cavs your goal is to crush your enemy’s morale before killing them. Don’t panic when stupid AI ashigaru chase your cavs. Just take ’em for a good walk and they will submit as you smite down the rest.
Glad to see you're still making shogun 2 videos. Was wondering if you'd be willing to give us a video/tutorial on how you go about campaign map movement, combat strategy, and being divided by the enemy. For example the Oda and Takeda are splitting up my attention to two different ends of the map.
"We are, the Oda" Seriously though, I beat the campaign alot with Oda, their decent is you dominate early and make good choices of the Takeda and Hojo are good choice, but you'd be having to ask for military access to get across and attack the other clan's.
in history, the odas hated the ikko ikki, cuz of defeating there previous enemy the miyoshi. Oda Nobunaga had to face four enemies. Azai, Asakura,Miyosi,and the ikko ikki. but he made a peace treaty with the azai and the asakura. and fought all the warrior monks.which gave Nobunaga a hard time to unify japan
I played chosokabe as my first shogun 2 vanilla campaign (hard difficulty). I have to say they were difficult to play, i ended the campaign having fullfilled the key provinces goals although i only had 12/25 required. It was because from the begining everybody declared war on me, but once i conquered sikoku another problem emerged - i was blocked by the sea. I didnt really have money to upkeep a strong navy, not to mention other clans kept blocking my ports and attacking my trade. Anyways good vid
I'm aware, the timing of the 2Game link is poor timing, but that decent price will still be available in a year, whereas the Steam sale only lasts a few weeks. Judging from my other Top X videos, this video will still be watched months if not years from now.
If you play correctly you can take the shogun in just a few years as Oda. All you need to do is mass recruit yari/bow ashigaru until you have 2 full armies, then march on the shogunate. You can literally auto decide the battle and win due to superior numbers.
Tbh the Otomo is one of my go to clans and is my favorite personally. all of the provinces surrounding you’re starting area are all valuable. To the West you have trading ports and war horses and the rest are very wealthy and have fertile soil. if you can capture it all you will be set for the rest of most of the game however it’s hard to control provinces since you’re religion is Christianity and you will have a very hard to converting some of them so you will need to hire a lot of missionary’s. You’re main army should be set however because the main 2 clans that I personally think that you will have issues with is the Takeda and the Date from what I have seen in my playthroughs.
I was hoping the Date would be on this list, but I am not upset that they are not. Although they have a good starting position like the Shimazu, get a blacksmith right off, and are next to provinces with stone and iron, they clan traits are pretty limited and they got a whopping two clan based units.
xiahoupaul19 my first win was with the Date, I love their start position. Sure, it's a bother to try and get across the map early on, once you get going, you can blitzkrieg your way through the game by BANZAAAIII charging the world
Actually, their starting position is pretty shit. Ok, you have a trade node close by. Ok, you have a blacksmith. BUT the northern provinces are fucking HUGE and you'll probably end up at war with the worst clan to be at war with: the Hatakeyama.
O yiss, my fav clan is No1. Whenever I play Oda I never go beyond Ashigaru units (and Light Cav). You will have 2-3 armies for each one of your enemy's and the difference in troop quality will be negligible thanks to experience and province buffs.
Oda Yari Ashigaru, Oda Long Yari Ashigaru, Oda bow Ashigaru and Oda Matchlock Ashigaru with melee buffs are pretty unstoppable, and they are cheap. I also nickname the Oda as the Prussian of the Sengoku Era.
Yari Ashigaru can (or at least used to) be able to beat Katana Samurai in a 1v1 if the unit is in it's Yari Wall formation and no Samurai are wrapping around the sides of the unit. Combine this with double stacking Ashigaru ontop of each other and you basically have Hopilites. The Oda on the other hand with Long Yari Ashigaru can actually hold castles and defensive lines into the late game compared to regular Ashigaru. Which is why when I used to play online against people, I would field a strong/cheap Yari Ashigaru core that was backed up by some bows and higher tier Cavalry.
Having a blacksmith in you hometown is a very big plus to me. The Hojo has cheaper castles, so it's easier to fit more military buildings. Furthermore they have a gold mine, 2 provinces, start near 2 schools and a lot of weak targets to the right. The Date have acces on 1 trade and don't have to worry about having to fight on multiple flanks. So I'd say that the Hojo is a very good pick and that is mainly due to location.
I picked Oda blindly as the first playthrough clan, but started hiring samurais and horokus or some shit, haven't ended the campaign, but guess I will conquer 25 provinces under 10 years with ashigarus)
Oda was given buffs i think keeping in a scent of the history afterall it was Nobunaga and his two retainers who led the unification of Japan.... Nobunaga's father Nobuhide was often called the tiger of Owari....and Nobunaga who once was called the fool of owari later on became a fierce tactical and martial power .... A much better understanding of the Japanese warring estate era known as Sengoku jidai can be achieved by playing the game "Nobunaga's ambition" and its awesome and then there's a similar theme game concerning china ROTK- "Romance of the three kingdom" which is another gem
Late game isn't a problem for oda even if they dont take half the map early, as by then you have the remarkably cheap oda matchlock ashigaru, can field three to four stacks for anyone else's single stack, and just drown everyone in spears and guns.
I really agree with ikko ikki in my gameplay not on legendary but on hard i managed to conquer kyoto with their ashigaru and managed one of my best batlles in shogun 2 But after 2 turns i lost kyoto because as you might expect most of my army was dead so i was attacked by 3500 army of shimazu i ahd something around 600 i lost this battle but i managed to kill 3000 soldiers of their army and after 3 turns my main army with warrior monks coquered kyoto once again
Nice video, man! Even though I've been playing the game modded as of late, I also still put Shimazu and Takeda in the top 5. That being said I love playing as Uesugi, mostly because of the flavor and the legend of Kenshin.
Might have to swap the Ikko with the Chosokobe in my book. You basically have 0 friends when playing as the Ikko, Choso has the small island they can take quickly/good income from farms. I felt like when ever I play Ikko I kept having to take a city then turtle it because someone was always at war with me
I don't know dude. Tokugawa are brown and gold, which if you squint looks orange. That counts for something, it's not like Hattori or Hojo come anywhere near a glorious shade.
Hattori def gonna make that list. I like the clan but my god do i hate their starting position/fact their units are more expensive Mori a stinker too , buffs to the Navy just never seemed important to me.
Mori have a very interesting starting position though, so that one is likely to come down to personal preference whether they're a bottom dweller or a mid rank clan.
whats funny is when i first got shogun total war 2 a few years back being a seasoned total war player i chose the oda (do to me being a huge history buff anyway) i ended up haven half the map by a few turns just using those units (with some mix of katana samuri and some fire bomb throwers and trebs for later parts of the game after i raped the northern part)
Honestly my favorite clan is the uesugi as, they have bonuses to trade, are the best in the normal Buddhist religion, and the uesugi also have improvements to their warrior monks, and to me the uesugi bow warrior monks are one of the strongest units in the ranged category, also the melee warrior monks(can’t spell the spear name) have the war cry, combine that with the whistling arrows of the bow monks, you just utterly destroy your opponent’s moral. In addition echigo the home province is big enough to allow you time to prepare for an invasion, and it’s gives you a hard start which gives you a fun challenge.
i like your choice of best clans in total war: shogun 2 btw i am extremely devoted to the oda and refuse to serve anyone only the oda cuz i am a fan of warlord Oda nobunaga
I would put Date on either 3 or 4, mostly bc of Date No-dachi, IF you manage to get them close, that's it, you won. While I always find besieging a chore, defensive battles are sweet and easy.
Granted the ODA on legendary is one of the hardest starting positions ever! Legit all of your neighbours are gonna end up in war with you! (Kitabatake almost always die to the Tsutsui). And sooner or later either IKKO IKKI or Hattori are gonna declare war on you. My advcice: Spam sshigaru -> take what you can -> turtle-> steamroll late with 5 full armies of ashigaru!
If you have not gotten Medieval 2 yet I will warn you. It is the most overrated game in the world. Its super buggy, glitchy and quite frankly everything about it is broken. Not worth the money even with a steam sale.
@@siegelink9549 Super buggy and glitchy? Your experience is very different from mine, it can even run on Windows 10 laptop fine. Still, blackpowder infantries and pikes can feel finicky, so there's that to be worried about.
I agree with the number 1 spot. Oda was the first clan I played when I got shogun 2. It's a very good noob-friendly clan like the Shimazu mainly because of its clan bonus. Besides, who doesn't like mowing down cavalry with a solid spear wall and a row of archers behind it?
I Agree with most of your picks but I still think the Chosokabe should snag a spot on the top five, their location is well placed, their food production rate make them stable and their trade abilities give them a good treasury boost which enables you to recruit a relatively strong army at an early stage. Plus the game tutorial automatically starts with the Chosokabe...
I still consider Shogun 2 as best TW so far, before this is was Medieval 2. And I'm not a huge expert in these games, I never won any, no matter how many times I tried, but the game where even sucking is pleasent and you actually know that you're learning, I think deserves a place in hall of fame
My the most favourite clans are Ikko Ikki and Otomo. Otomo just has very powerful sticks, that can fire by fire and smoke, and Ikko Ikki... Monks))))))
My favorite clan are the Ikko, I genuinely love the way they play. I'm going to watch your video on them and try my best to figure out how to play them. Many thanks 😊
Militarily, Oda having bonuses to the cheapest and most spammable unit in the game makes them really tough in defence sieges Of course they cannot withstand a full assault with everything the enemy haves, but they can at least kill a lot of their troops beofre falling (or give you some big heroic victories if you manage to kill all proyectiles) In economics, you can have a lot of armies spread in your territory and still win a lot of money As terms of appearence and cool factor -Their colours look great in everytjing -Pike and Shot
I have only actually finished one full campaign of Shogun 2 as of now and it was my first full total war campaign. In that campaign, I did in fact not build even a single Katana samurai unit... hell, I am not sure I built any samurai at all. I just spammed bow ashigaru and imported matchlocks for dem easy defenses and then later on spammed Portugese.
i lovethe shimazu is my favirot caln mainly becsue i love sword units but this has the dis advantage of leaving you wek to cav. but fer not for my scnd facirot ting GUNS can slove this problem 3 shimazu ashigarue gunner units vs 1 cav? what cav i say! haha. i wud higly recoamde this caln for any one that loves guns and katan samurie. i first pickd this facion due to the anime series Driferts noting els rlly. btw keep up the great worke love your videos! :D
Since I played with Oda I tried to spam ashigaru for every clan, especially Otomo, yari ashigaru from satsuma with 7 armor served with some nicely seasoned Portuguese Tercos, fuck I love that combination.
I would have put Date on the list, the charge bonus is good early game when most armies are equally matched. You have access to a blacksmith to recruit better units on turn one. You can easily caputure the northern trade node. I consider the starting position for date very safe because you can ally with Hatakeyama on turn one and always keep your war-front moving west. You will almost never have to fight a war on two fronts (with proper naval protection).
Their starting position is very slow, and they the No Dachi isn’t a strong enough singleplayer unit for me. I also generally don’t ally with people if I could just take their towns instead. For me the Date were close to making this list but not quite there.
Agreed, Date's start is not only slow but also the farthest away from more strategic resources than any other clan. I'd rank them about 7th personally. Still a fun clan to play, and neat colors.
So because shogun 2 was free on steam and i never played a total war game before i tried it out. This is what i did. Short campaign, normal difficulty , start as Oda(because that was the one ive heared of first due to playing civ 5). If you can believe it i never recruited any sword units and only yari, bow and cav (didnt know siege existed). Because of that one mission to get the yari master i only did the combat part of the tech tree. It was going pretty well untill i triggered the shogun to attack me and therefore the rest of japan save my 2 allies(one of wich betrayed me later and the other i betrayed later). I did not prepare but lukily i had 10k moey at the time(i wanted to upgrade my castle or get the yari hero for when i unlocked it). But in the end it was all good managed to win at round 50 or 51. 10/10 would oda again.
Oda also have slightly buffed Matchlock Ashigaru as well～ its so satisfying to lock the enemy with ur buffed Oda Yari Ashigaru, then maneuver ur Matchlocks behind and just execute them...as long as they dont have any free cavalry of course
Are you trying to role play as the real life Oda Nobunaga? Only things you left to do for a full role play is to promote Christianity, suppress Buddhism, and exterminate warrior monks especially the Ikko Ikki ones at every chance. XD.
@@pypy1986820 how would i do this if he never actually converted to Christianity though? XD i know he was cool with it, but unlike the Otomo, he never took the full leap. though the ikko ikki one i do get, i suppress the hell outta em if im able early on, unless they somehow became the other superpower clan, then itll be a Sekigahara with em.
I didn't forget, the Uesugi have one of the hardest starting positions in the game, and Ikko Ikki and Chosokabe get better Bow Warrior Monks too, the Uesugi bonus is pretty mediocre.
Chosokabe, for sure can field better Bow Warrior Monks due to an inherent archery advantage, but ikko ikki warrior monks are nearly at par with uesugi. hmmmm ur ryt about the position, it can be attacked from 2 sides. Considering one front with vassal.
Haha I took your advice before I got shogun two. Got the orange, spammed yari and long yari ashigaru, Beelined for Kyoto, triggered realm divide after taking Kyoto, getting surrounded……… oh and my economy commuted toaster bath
@@MrSmartDonkeyLP you never did but i decided screw it and you replyng to this was the last thing i ever expected. keep up the amazing TW content. while pixelated apollo (and kinda also oversimplified) got me into total war. you're the reason i got shogun. im quite new to the total war series. my first (and favorite) game was three kingdoms because the retinue and diplomacy systems are better in my opinion (why did they remove the retinues for troy i loved just deleting an army and redeploying it across the whole map with -5 muster turns and steamrolling my enemies) my second favorite is actually napoleon because it fits my playstyle which is sit back and do nothing and let the stupid AI murder itself. 3rd is shogun because its total war shogun. do i really have to explain. holy hell ive been "talking" way to long
I think Chosokabe's position beats that of no.5. You're protected, and can springboard to Kyoto. From there, you have interior lines to mop up the country. Plus buddhism :). Yari at no.1? A shameful dispray!
I came here after my first Chosokabe legendary domination attempt, Realm divided ended my rule rather quickly. only needed 20 more with Kyoto made me big sad.
i creat a mod that shimazu clan start at N.shinano (the origin of shimazu clan) and it‘s fun shimazu is for noob,but after i play all the clan (realism dominate campaign) i feel comfortable with shimazu it can play religious war with all the clan on south and ally with otomo
For me it’s the Date, the no dachi charge backed up with Bullet proof samurai to take the brunt of the fire is ridiculously devastating, tho they are slow to get going due to the size of the northern provinces
Their slow starting position is the main reason I kep them off this list. I also don’t think no-dachi are *that* strong. They were one of the middling clans I was talking about. Good, but not quite good enough.
MrSmartDonkeyLP Ehhh idk The date were the first clan I won on legendary and it was completely off the back of the no dachi charge with max Attack from a blacksmith and A ju jitsu dojo, with Yari cab and Bullet proof as support, I never lost a single battle after I had my core 3 armies set up this way, as the charge would instantly break their katana samurai front lines. Although I whole heartedly agree with having the Oda, takeda and Ikko Clans, great list and I’m glad to see you’re back to making videos again
hafid lho The ONLY clan that can give you trouble are the Takeda, because they field much heavier cavalry based armies which require you to be much more careful with your positioning
As a one piece fan I had no choice but to start this game with the oda and good god is it fun to start out. Beat the rebellion hard and beat the take da that immediately follows then take the town cause they put everything into the initial army and leave only retainers then boom youre off to the races.
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"Cavalry in Shogun 2 are incredibly strong."
*Breathes in Yari Ashigaru*
The Avenger at Ilipa Never cared much for cavalry as almost every army I face have a ton of spear units.
@@NiclasLoof Hammer and anvil tactics for me all day everyday, can't even imagine how bad I'd be if I didn't have 4 heavy cav flanking the enemy to save the line..
In both my campaigns so far the only Cav i've really used are light cavalry in the early game and then Bow Cav in the late game just for breaking out that stinky cheese and chasing off units.
Here they are great to obviously chase fleeing units, attack enemy archers and charge from rear to cause morale drop and mass route. Need some micro to run from all these spearman who try to catch them. It's not possible to field cavalry armies in this game, though when playing Takeda you can get away with slipping in an extra unit or two of cavalry to use the clan bonus. I used Yari cav quite often and it was nice, I guess Katana cav has more staying power to just keep hacking through enemy, but I don't want to stay with them in longer melee fight unless I know they will break their enemy soon.
I can't hear your Yari over the sound of my Mongo- Takeda Horde
You forgot to mention the ikko ikki having an orange mon
What! But that is the main reason I pick that clan! How could one forget they have an orange Mon?
Damn, I knew I forgot something!
I also love orange 😂, but also dark purple 🤔😂
Tiago Casquinho Then you must like Uesugi or Oda
oh ok, well i didnt play that much shogun 2 but i still have it, i dont know if i was doing the right things in the campaign mod :S
i do love the portuguese cannons though, haha making a full line of those and just put a defensive spear line in front of them is so much fun
I really love how the Oda are the best (arguably) because it reflects history. True, Tokugawa Ieyasu ultimately united Japan, but Oda Nobunaga really did a lot of the early legwork. Plus he was so successful because he actually spammed ashigaru in real life. As a result his armies were larger and could cover way more ground. For balance sake the Otomo were given the gun advantages, but really Oda was the first to use them with any kind of efficacy.
The date clan was also insane. Date Masamue was an absolute madman.
@@TheAverage01 yea too bad he isn't in the game
Well. The game only represented 1 part of the Oda strength right--powerful and plentiful Ashigarus: Nobunaga's absolute disdains of hereditary Samurai and other noble classes, so he literally made Samurai status and lordship earn able military ranks that any and all common foot soldiers can achieve if they have the metal. however, the biggest disappointment of this otherwise flawless game is that CA completely F'ed up the balance on Arquebus and cannon units by making them uselessly underpowered: Those guys were the main stays of the later half of the Sengoku Jidai for heaven's sake and revolutionized how Japanese wage wars. If they follow the history, the gunpowder and siege units aside from Mangonels should absolutely outclass bow units in battlefield outside of some specific circumstances such as battles immediately after rain. The gunpowder units should be treated simply as higher tier ranged units instead of occupying a separate category that requires them to be balanced against bow and arrows. By the time of Sekigahara, guns and cannons were generally preferred over bows and arrows unless the unit is mounted.
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I'd have lloved Shogun 2 if it had a similar Lord system to Three Kingdoms or Warhammer. I guess it doesn;t since it;s more of an actual historically accurate TW rather than a Fantasy one.
Shogun 2 was the pinnacle of refinement in the total war series.
CA hit a lot of right notes with STW2. Warhammer TW2 is pretty good, but CA got a lot more leeway to do crazy things due to the fantasy setting. CA's "normal" TW games had to be relatively grounded in history, and STW2 did it just right.
Warhammer would have been my favorite setting if the campaign wasn't streamlined to the point of being dumbed down. I feel like Attila did a lot right in terms of campaign play but threw it all away in the fantasy setting.
*cough*Rome1*cough*
nergalsmom While Rome got me into the total war series it was an unbalanced game. The longer the campaign last the more obvious this becomes.
That's a valid point. Tbh I always prefered the Barbarian Invasion campaign because it was shorter, more focused, and had more interesting asymmetry between the factions. Which is incidentally why I like Shogun 2 slightly less because of the sameyness of the factions. Both are great games though.
Ikko Ikki: Has an orange mon.
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That is so true!
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before watching I'm guessing Oda is number one
Tyler are you kidding? You don't get bow warrior monks, have to convert every province and can't really use diplomacy for trade. They're good, but not the best.
Toby Black I think you confused them with the otomo because 1 you get warrior monks the just don't have buffs 2 after you beat the tokugawa and the imagawa you can make a fuck tone of diplomatic/trade agreements due to war horses and 3 your religion in the one that most clans have
Δημητρης Στεφανιδης yep. Completely misread the comment. Sorry about that
My friend said "nothing can pass the long yari, except archary units"
Tyler same
Here after Shogun 2 was announced to be free to keep on Steam.
About to go through the rest of the videos because of it too.
I know right?
Better to be ready
i think you gotta buy the dlc to get the ikko ikki buuut its worth it Kappa
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Guessing you've never played rome.
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@@helikos1i think that too, shogun 2 lovers are the one who secretly love empire TW but ETW is buggy so they choose shogun 2
@@picogagula448 Sound mate, I really like empire too. Need a new TW game set in that period
Coming from the newer games, I love how clear and legible the map is. They really did a great job of making it look beautiful but really playable as well. newer games look nicer but are a busier and often I cant tell when I'm on a new nations border.
for the ikko ikki it should be worth noting that inciting revolts with your monks creates small AI armies that can take a settlement for you without declaring war, and creating something like a distraction so your main force could flank around or set ambush.
my favorite unit is shimazu katana samurai, with gold sword. obviously pretty late game but i feel they make a decent mini general or morale keeper, while effectively being able to attack or defend if treated like average samurai
One more thing to mention for the Takeda is that Shingen is the best daymio in the game, instilling fear in enemy units right from the start.
Fear? Laughs in Yari Wall
If you know how to properly use cavs yes bloodthirst is incredibly useful to takeda/any cav tactics. Try to attack/ambush whenever you can as you play takeda, best on rainy days with no hills. Weaken your enemy’s morale with monks. Try to steal a kill on their generals if there’s a chance. Avoid charging into spear walls head-on or prolong melee with spear infantries. Ashigarus are vulnerable to morale debuffs so a a charge from their back will do the deed. If you choose to play cavs your goal is to crush your enemy’s morale before killing them. Don’t panic when stupid AI ashigaru chase your cavs. Just take ’em for a good walk and they will submit as you smite down the rest.
Well uesugi Kenshin also have that to?
@@tayrc951 Laughs in flanked
Shingen could have defeated Oda, but he died before and his son fucked it up and Takeda got destroyed after.
Glad to see you're still making shogun 2 videos. Was wondering if you'd be willing to give us a video/tutorial on how you go about campaign map movement, combat strategy, and being divided by the enemy. For example the Oda and Takeda are splitting up my attention to two different ends of the map.
If you stop the video at 1:13, you can see the Donderbusses hitting 3 of their own.
SpaceDoke oof
Acceptable collateral damage.
Shamefur Disupray
You've got to crack a few eggs to make an omelette.
So powerful they actually harm themselves. Absolute madlads
Chosokabe - great starting position - and a souped up Bow Samurai are brilliant
Oda>Takeda (good starting position, alliance securing border)>Ikko(Revolts)>Otomo(starting location and guns)>Shimazu or Chosokabe (starting position)
"We are, the Oda"
Seriously though, I beat the campaign alot with Oda, their decent is you dominate early and make good choices of the Takeda and Hojo are good choice, but you'd be having to ask for military access to get across and attack the other clan's.
I love Classical Antiquity and the Medieval period the best, but this game is hands down the pinnacle of the series.
It's that time of year when I play Shogun 2 again.
oda isn't a surprise to anyone. you can win the fastest legendary game by playing oda and spamming ashigaru.
Second that :3
It is to me they are annoying to play I just punish my self with them
Shogun 2: Ashigaru Spam
Attile: Horse Archer Spam
Medevil 2: heavy calvery spam
Fots: armstrong gun spam
Tokugawa is my favorite clan for me. I just love that you have to play carefully and pick your cards right.
in history, the odas hated the ikko ikki, cuz of defeating there previous enemy the miyoshi. Oda Nobunaga had to face four enemies. Azai, Asakura,Miyosi,and the ikko ikki. but he made a peace treaty with the azai and the asakura. and fought all the warrior monks.which gave Nobunaga a hard time to unify japan
ikko ikkis were the good guys, oda were imperial villains
Ive recently gotten the game due to the steam summer sale and ive been watching some of your legendary campaigns. Im glad I got into this game!
The Oda I found very easy to play as because I like to use spearmen. They’re the most common unit.
I personally rank the Date rather highly, since they have a amazing start. And well BANZAI.
I played chosokabe as my first shogun 2 vanilla campaign (hard difficulty). I have to say they were difficult to play, i ended the campaign having fullfilled the key provinces goals although i only had 12/25 required. It was because from the begining everybody declared war on me, but once i conquered sikoku another problem emerged - i was blocked by the sea. I didnt really have money to upkeep a strong navy, not to mention other clans kept blocking my ports and attacking my trade.
Anyways good vid
Chosokabe also seemed to me a lot harder than advertised. Good on paper but... yeah not so great in reality.
steam is currently having a sale, you can pick up shogun 2 and and all dlc for less than 30 u.s dollars :)
I'm aware, the timing of the 2Game link is poor timing, but that decent price will still be available in a year, whereas the Steam sale only lasts a few weeks. Judging from my other Top X videos, this video will still be watched months if not years from now.
sorry i wasn't aware of the link if i was i wouldn't have posted that sorry :(
Oh, no worries bud, as I said, my link will be relevant in a few weeks.
I bought the gold edition on a dvd for 18 dolars in the local store.
@@MrSmartDonkeyLP Yep, you are absolutely right
If you play correctly you can take the shogun in just a few years as Oda. All you need to do is mass recruit yari/bow ashigaru until you have 2 full armies, then march on the shogunate. You can literally auto decide the battle and win due to superior numbers.
Chosokable are my favourite. the clour scheme, the flag and the archers and location are good enough to build a stronghold island.
Pretty sure that Ikko Ikki should've been #1, but then again, you didn't include color of the mon in your preference list.
For me the top 5 would have Chosokabe, Shimazu, Oda, Ikko Ikki, and Takeda.
But I personally enjoy the challenges presented playing the Mori Clan.
Tbh the Otomo is one of my go to clans and is my favorite personally. all of the provinces surrounding you’re starting area are all valuable. To the West you have trading ports and war horses and the rest are very wealthy and have fertile soil. if you can capture it all you will be set for the rest of most of the game however it’s hard to control provinces since you’re religion is Christianity and you will have a very hard to converting some of them so you will need to hire a lot of missionary’s. You’re main army should be set however because the main 2 clans that I personally think that you will have issues with is the Takeda and the Date from what I have seen in my playthroughs.
I was hoping the Date would be on this list, but I am not upset that they are not. Although they have a good starting position like the Shimazu, get a blacksmith right off, and are next to provinces with stone and iron, they clan traits are pretty limited and they got a whopping two clan based units.
xiahoupaul19 same, everytime i play date i just spam no dachi and yari cavalry, charge them and win
xiahoupaul19 my first win was with the Date, I love their start position. Sure, it's a bother to try and get across the map early on, once you get going, you can blitzkrieg your way through the game by BANZAAAIII charging the world
My first win was with Shimazu. Very noob friendly and like the Date super easy and safe start location.
have you tried spamming bulletproof samurai?
Actually, their starting position is pretty shit. Ok, you have a trade node close by. Ok, you have a blacksmith. BUT the northern provinces are fucking HUGE and you'll probably end up at war with the worst clan to be at war with: the Hatakeyama.
You are amazing-I never thought that there is someone who would love this game more than me !!
O yiss, my fav clan is No1.
Whenever I play Oda I never go beyond Ashigaru units (and Light Cav). You will have 2-3 armies for each one of your enemy's and the difference in troop quality will be negligible thanks to experience and province buffs.
Oda Yari Ashigaru, Oda Long Yari Ashigaru, Oda bow Ashigaru and Oda Matchlock Ashigaru with melee buffs are pretty unstoppable, and they are cheap. I also nickname the Oda as the Prussian of the Sengoku Era.
Yari Ashigaru can (or at least used to) be able to beat Katana Samurai in a 1v1 if the unit is in it's Yari Wall formation and no Samurai are wrapping around the sides of the unit. Combine this with double stacking Ashigaru ontop of each other and you basically have Hopilites. The Oda on the other hand with Long Yari Ashigaru can actually hold castles and defensive lines into the late game compared to regular Ashigaru. Which is why when I used to play online against people, I would field a strong/cheap Yari Ashigaru core that was backed up by some bows and higher tier Cavalry.
Having a blacksmith in you hometown is a very big plus to me. The Hojo has cheaper castles, so it's easier to fit more military buildings. Furthermore they have a gold mine, 2 provinces, start near 2 schools and a lot of weak targets to the right. The Date have acces on 1 trade and don't have to worry about having to fight on multiple flanks. So I'd say that the Hojo is a very good pick and that is mainly due to location.
I picked Oda blindly as the first playthrough clan, but started hiring samurais and horokus or some shit, haven't ended the campaign, but guess I will conquer 25 provinces under 10 years with ashigarus)
Oda was given buffs i think keeping in a scent of the history afterall it was Nobunaga and his two retainers who led the unification of Japan.... Nobunaga's father Nobuhide was often called the tiger of Owari....and Nobunaga who once was called the fool of owari later on became a fierce tactical and martial power .... A much better understanding of the Japanese warring estate era known as Sengoku jidai can be achieved by playing the game "Nobunaga's ambition" and its awesome and then there's a similar theme game concerning china ROTK- "Romance of the three kingdom" which is another gem
i had a feeling that was a special person when the computer mauled me with him
@@MrNinjaone1 judging by the fact historical daimyos usually die early on the game, your ass is getting beated by another oda guy
I'd put the otomo waaay higher up the list an otomo gunline can absolutely break an enemy charge if you play your cards right
Late game isn't a problem for oda even if they dont take half the map early, as by then you have the remarkably cheap oda matchlock ashigaru, can field three to four stacks for anyone else's single stack, and just drown everyone in spears and guns.
I really agree with ikko ikki in my gameplay not on legendary but on hard i managed to conquer kyoto with their ashigaru and managed one of my best batlles in shogun 2
But after 2 turns i lost kyoto because as you might expect most of my army was dead so i was attacked by 3500 army of shimazu i ahd something around 600 i lost this battle but i managed to kill 3000 soldiers of their army and after 3 turns my main army with warrior monks coquered kyoto once again
Nice video, man! Even though I've been playing the game modded as of late, I also still put Shimazu and Takeda in the top 5. That being said I love playing as Uesugi, mostly because of the flavor and the legend of Kenshin.
Might have to swap the Ikko with the Chosokobe in my book.
You basically have 0 friends when playing as the Ikko, Choso has the small island they can take quickly/good income from farms.
I felt like when ever I play Ikko I kept having to take a city then turtle it because someone was always at war with me
you can use most stupid way to 0 lost， especially siege- chosokabe long bow， arrow everything over enemy range，if bulding， fine-fire set！
I love when you mention the Dunderbuss Cavalry, and if you look closely one of the horses explodes from friendly fire, hilarious
I didn't even realize units could ff themselves! That's hilarious.
This list is pretty spot on, my only change would be swapping the Shimazu and Ikko-Ikki but thats due to my playstyle.
lol I got this game recently and immediately assumed the Shimazu was the noob friendly clan so I picked them first
Date for life man! Can't beat that charge bonus!!
The date are so ezz i love it you just sweep through japan in one direction with the gold armour units
I can't wait for the top 5 worst clans, wonder which clan will be last. Cough, Tokugawa, cough.
I don't know dude. Tokugawa are brown and gold, which if you squint looks orange. That counts for something, it's not like Hattori or Hojo come anywhere near a glorious shade.
Well at least they are the most unique clan in the game. The only vassal u can play xD
Hattori def gonna make that list. I like the clan but my god do i hate their starting position/fact their units are more expensive
Mori a stinker too , buffs to the Navy just never seemed important to me.
Mori have a very interesting starting position though, so that one is likely to come down to personal preference whether they're a bottom dweller or a mid rank clan.
Comradcommodore it's not that hard. Omi is a great province to take. And has a really good battle map to defend against the ikko Ikki with.
whats funny is when i first got shogun total war 2 a few years back being a seasoned total war player i chose the oda (do to me being a huge history buff anyway) i ended up haven half the map by a few turns just using those units (with some mix of katana samuri and some fire bomb throwers and trebs for later parts of the game after i raped the northern part)
Honestly my favorite clan is the uesugi as, they have bonuses to trade, are the best in the normal Buddhist religion, and the uesugi also have improvements to their warrior monks, and to me the uesugi bow warrior monks are one of the strongest units in the ranged category, also the melee warrior monks(can’t spell the spear name) have the war cry, combine that with the whistling arrows of the bow monks, you just utterly destroy your opponent’s moral. In addition echigo the home province is big enough to allow you time to prepare for an invasion, and it’s gives you a hard start which gives you a fun challenge.
I was sure ikko Ikki would take the no. 1 but when you placed them at 2, I knew the oda had snatched the no 1 spot
i like your choice of best clans in total war: shogun 2 btw i am extremely devoted to the oda and refuse to serve anyone only the oda cuz i am a fan of warlord Oda nobunaga
I would put Date on either 3 or 4, mostly bc of Date No-dachi, IF you manage to get them close, that's it, you won. While I always find besieging a chore, defensive battles are sweet and easy.
Totally in agreement with Oda #1 and Ikko Ikki, you could add to their favor for both clans, the proximity to Kyoto.
Granted the ODA on legendary is one of the hardest starting positions ever! Legit all of your neighbours are gonna end up in war with you! (Kitabatake almost always die to the Tsutsui). And sooner or later either IKKO IKKI or Hattori are gonna declare war on you. My advcice: Spam sshigaru -> take what you can -> turtle-> steamroll late with 5 full armies of ashigaru!
My first campaign was with the Date clan nd ended with me becoming the Shogun 😍
Oda finish the campaing with half turns, but my favorite is date
Shogun 2 best Totalwar :) - i hope 3 kingdoms will be like that 😍
Is it any good..
Please do Total war game reviews! I hate watching/reading reviews from sites or people who aren't actually into playing total war.
If you have not gotten Medieval 2 yet I will warn you. It is the most overrated game in the world. Its super buggy, glitchy and quite frankly everything about it is broken. Not worth the money even with a steam sale.
@@siegelink9549 Super buggy and glitchy? Your experience is very different from mine, it can even run on Windows 10 laptop fine.
Still, blackpowder infantries and pikes can feel finicky, so there's that to be worried about.
Oda is my favourite clan to play and I can confirm that long yari Ashigaru are almost impossible to be defeated by any close range unit.
I agree with the number 1 spot. Oda was the first clan I played when I got shogun 2. It's a very good noob-friendly clan like the Shimazu mainly because of its clan bonus. Besides, who doesn't like mowing down cavalry with a solid spear wall and a row of archers behind it?
I Agree with most of your picks but I still think the Chosokabe should snag a spot on the top five, their location is well placed, their food production rate make them stable and their trade abilities give them a good treasury boost which enables you to recruit a relatively strong army at an early stage. Plus the game tutorial automatically starts with the Chosokabe...
I still consider Shogun 2 as best TW so far, before this is was Medieval 2. And I'm not a huge expert in these games, I never won any, no matter how many times I tried, but the game where even sucking is pleasent and you actually know that you're learning, I think deserves a place in hall of fame
The Tokugawa are the best. Why, because Daimyo Matsudaira Hirotada's horned helmet is so cool looking.
The Shinmazu were the first clan I played but I thought they were really difficult
They've actually the easiest but taking the town north of the starting town is incredibly difficult. If you can do that, you're set.
My the most favourite clans are Ikko Ikki and Otomo. Otomo just has very powerful sticks, that can fire by fire and smoke, and Ikko Ikki... Monks))))))
My favorite clan are the Ikko, I genuinely love the way they play. I'm going to watch your video on them and try my best to figure out how to play them. Many thanks 😊
God, i love video like this from you! Could you make more something like this?
4:34 Thats why my friend lost 12 Battles against that Faction, The neighboring country of Oda. EARLY GAME
For the life of me, I really couldn't figure who could be #1, but your justification makes total sense.
Shimazu #1 honourable and skilled fighters in all of Japan
They called shimazu demon's)))))
What I love About the Ikko-Ikki is, that they have an orange mon!
Militarily, Oda having bonuses to the cheapest and most spammable unit in the game makes them really tough in defence sieges
Of course they cannot withstand a full assault with everything the enemy haves, but they can at least kill a lot of their troops beofre falling (or give you some big heroic victories if you manage to kill all proyectiles)
In economics, you can have a lot of armies spread in your territory and still win a lot of money
As terms of appearence and cool factor
-Their colours look great in everytjing
-Pike and Shot
I have only actually finished one full campaign of Shogun 2 as of now and it was my first full total war campaign. In that campaign, I did in fact not build even a single Katana samurai unit... hell, I am not sure I built any samurai at all. I just spammed bow ashigaru and imported matchlocks for dem easy defenses and then later on spammed Portugese.
i lovethe shimazu is my favirot caln mainly becsue i love sword units but this has the dis advantage of leaving you wek to cav. but fer not for my scnd facirot ting GUNS can slove this problem 3 shimazu ashigarue gunner units vs 1 cav? what cav i say! haha. i wud higly recoamde this caln for any one that loves guns and katan samurie. i first pickd this facion due to the anime series Driferts noting els rlly. btw keep up the great worke love your videos! :D
Wow i've never met someone else who's favorite color is orange.
Elsneakakaze He's from weedland, thus he loves Orange
+MoshedZ comes from Jewland thus he likes oppressing women.
@Denis You must be a Geordie!
Oh come on, Dãte has been my favourite clan because of that plus bonus charge to every unit.
My list:
1) Oda
2) Ikko Ikki
3) Shimazu
4) Mori
5) Hojo
6) Takeda
7) Otomo
8) Chosokabe
9) Date
10) Tokugawa
11) Uesugi
12) Hattori
Since I played with Oda I tried to spam ashigaru for every clan, especially Otomo, yari ashigaru from satsuma with 7 armor served with some nicely seasoned Portuguese Tercos, fuck I love that combination.
Golden armor Ashigaru is the best shield while the Portuguese Tercos is the best spike.
I would have put Date on the list, the charge bonus is good early game when most armies are equally matched. You have access to a blacksmith to recruit better units on turn one. You can easily caputure the northern trade node. I consider the starting position for date very safe because you can ally with Hatakeyama on turn one and always keep your war-front moving west. You will almost never have to fight a war on two fronts (with proper naval protection).
Their starting position is very slow, and they the No Dachi isn’t a strong enough singleplayer unit for me. I also generally don’t ally with people if I could just take their towns instead. For me the Date were close to making this list but not quite there.
Agreed, Date's start is not only slow but also the farthest away from more strategic resources than any other clan. I'd rank them about 7th personally. Still a fun clan to play, and neat colors.
So because shogun 2 was free on steam and i never played a total war game before i tried it out. This is what i did. Short campaign, normal difficulty , start as Oda(because that was the one ive heared of first due to playing civ 5). If you can believe it i never recruited any sword units and only yari, bow and cav (didnt know siege existed). Because of that one mission to get the yari master i only did the combat part of the tech tree. It was going pretty well untill i triggered the shogun to attack me and therefore the rest of japan save my 2 allies(one of wich betrayed me later and the other i betrayed later). I did not prepare but lukily i had 10k moey at the time(i wanted to upgrade my castle or get the yari hero for when i unlocked it). But in the end it was all good managed to win at round 50 or 51. 10/10 would oda again.
Your persistence is amazed
I'm using Oda at my first playthrough because they're really awesome in real life 😂
Loan sword ashigaru as basic units can get pretty insane
do one for FOTS, I love this game, best total war ever, and one of my most favorite games
When I use the Oda I feel like the Mongols galloping over the rest of Asia.
every time i do a campaing, ikko-ikki are almost always destroying everyone early, it's insane
Ha I knew the Oda was strong everytime i went against them or was them they always freaking killed so much.
Oda also have slightly buffed Matchlock Ashigaru as well～
its so satisfying to lock the enemy with ur buffed Oda Yari Ashigaru, then maneuver ur Matchlocks behind and just execute them...as long as they dont have any free cavalry of course
Are you trying to role play as the real life Oda Nobunaga? Only things you left to do for a full role play is to promote Christianity, suppress Buddhism, and exterminate warrior monks especially the Ikko Ikki ones at every chance. XD.
@@pypy1986820 how would i do this if he never actually converted to Christianity though? XD
i know he was cool with it, but unlike the Otomo, he never took the full leap. though the ikko ikki one i do get, i suppress the hell outta em if im able early on, unless they somehow became the other superpower clan, then itll be a Sekigahara with em.
Well its kinda accurate if you prefer oda clan because oda clan was pretty powerful during sengoku period
Yours was a great point of view for sure, but you forgot something - Uesugi and their Bow Warrior Monks.
I didn't forget, the Uesugi have one of the hardest starting positions in the game, and Ikko Ikki and Chosokabe get better Bow Warrior Monks too, the Uesugi bonus is pretty mediocre.
Chosokabe, for sure can field better Bow Warrior Monks due to an inherent archery advantage, but ikko ikki warrior monks are nearly at par with uesugi. hmmmm ur ryt about the position, it can be attacked from 2 sides. Considering one front with vassal.
Haha I took your advice before I got shogun two. Got the orange, spammed yari and long yari ashigaru, Beelined for Kyoto, triggered realm divide after taking Kyoto, getting surrounded……… oh and my economy commuted toaster bath
That’s my one problem with the oda, they start pretty much smack dab in the middle of everyone. Realm divide is annoying as hell playing as them
@@Barrystue I don’t think I’ve ever advised to beeline for Kyoto 😝
@@MrSmartDonkeyLP you never did but i decided screw it and you replyng to this was the last thing i ever expected. keep up the amazing TW content. while pixelated apollo (and kinda also oversimplified) got me into total war. you're the reason i got shogun. im quite new to the total war series. my first (and favorite) game was three kingdoms because the retinue and diplomacy systems are better in my opinion (why did they remove the retinues for troy i loved just deleting an army and redeploying it across the whole map with -5 muster turns and steamrolling my enemies) my second favorite is actually napoleon because it fits my playstyle which is sit back and do nothing and let the stupid AI murder itself. 3rd is shogun because its total war shogun. do i really have to explain. holy hell ive been "talking" way to long
also who would win. donderbuss cav or revolver cav
just looked them both up and revolver has more range so we have a winner
I think Chosokabe's position beats that of no.5. You're protected, and can springboard to Kyoto. From there, you have interior lines to mop up the country. Plus buddhism :).
Yari at no.1? A shameful dispray!
Top 5 based on gameplay
1. Uesugi
2. Date
3. Ikko-Ikki
4. Shimazu
5. Otomo
Top 5 based on history
1. Uesugi
2. Shimazu
3. Takeda
4. Oda
5. Tokugawa
There is a diplomacy fix mod that keeps the ai killswitch from going off.
I came here after my first Chosokabe legendary domination attempt, Realm divided ended my rule rather quickly. only needed 20 more with Kyoto made me big sad.
Never liked chosokabe
Everyone gangsta until oda comes with tons of ashigarus
i creat a mod that shimazu clan start at N.shinano (the origin of shimazu clan)
and it‘s fun
shimazu is for noob,but after i play all the clan (realism dominate campaign) i feel comfortable with shimazu
it can play religious war with all the clan on south and ally with otomo
Completed my Oda campaign with 200k gold and huge ashigaru armies
For me it’s the Date, the no dachi charge backed up with Bullet proof samurai to take the brunt of the fire is ridiculously devastating, tho they are slow to get going due to the size of the northern provinces
Their slow starting position is the main reason I kep them off this list. I also don’t think no-dachi are *that* strong. They were one of the middling clans I was talking about. Good, but not quite good enough.
MrSmartDonkeyLP Ehhh idk The date were the first clan I won on legendary and it was completely off the back of the no dachi charge with max Attack from a blacksmith and A ju jitsu dojo, with Yari cab and Bullet proof as support, I never lost a single battle after I had my core 3 armies set up this way, as the charge would instantly break their katana samurai front lines. Although I whole heartedly agree with having the Oda, takeda and Ikko Clans, great list and I’m glad to see you’re back to making videos again
Tigerairlines truee, in the late game my no dachi samurai have 40 charge bonus, every enemy i charge didn't last 30s
hafid lho The ONLY clan that can give you trouble are the Takeda, because they field much heavier cavalry based armies which require you to be much more careful with your positioning
As a one piece fan I had no choice but to start this game with the oda and good god is it fun to start out. Beat the rebellion hard and beat the take da that immediately follows then take the town cause they put everything into the initial army and leave only retainers then boom youre off to the races.