I have a beautiful one of these. Never used it as such but it’s a very reassuring item to have! Great video, I’ll check out the other sap ones. Much appreciated. Thankyou 👍
My riding days are over. When you displayed "the leather sap", my first reaction was that it was a horse paddle. There are horse crops with a weighted paddle end and a thin braded handle that would accomplish the same thing. For that matter, I knew Lash LaRue who passed away many years ago. He carried two whips in the movies and not handguns. Additionally, a person can carry a quirt, a Cossack whip.
I certainly always am grateful for your experience candor and truthfulness it's what sets your Channel apart as one of the best you always speak truth . 👑👑👑
I don't know what you do for a living but you speak like a preacher.🙏Either way I love your videos- great everyday honest very informative reviews. God Bless Brother.
When it comes to real close quarters work the slapjack has some advantages over the firearm. You can´t shoot yourself in the foot with it, you don´t have to worry about stray bullets and possibly can use it when a gun would be excessive force. It does have a reach disadvantage.
It's cool to see asymmetric designs like this for the Machiavelli of the libre knife guild gaining traction. I collect saps where i can and the closest i have is the "crooked coffin" from Dirty Mike's Leather. It favors one side, but has a number of corners that would leave a nasty mark if you made an edge strike.
Excellent presentation. There is a site titled "legality of saps and blackjacks" that addresses the use of this instrumentality. They give the applicable statute for each state, with the caveat that they could be wrong with their advice. As a retired criminal defense attorney, state and federal courts (I now teach) research the applicable state law in your jurisdiction. Remember that a county can invoke stricter restrictions than the state has imposed. This is also true in many cases regarding the carrying of knives. Remember silence and non-involvement in arguments (whatever the subject matter is) will prevent many situations from becoming adversarial. Do not open the door and allow misery into your life. These instrumentalities are classified as deadly weapons akin to knives and firearms. You do not want to be thrust into the world of criminal law as a defendant. It is not like in the situations depicted by the entertainment industry. You could be denied bail and spend several years imprisoned before trial and if found innocent you will not be reimbursed for your losses. From a legal standpoint, pepper spray or even a Taser will provide more of an affirmative defense to an adversarial event. If interested, I carry Police Magnum stream in the 4 oz size. They have a size for every situation.
I remember back in where I grew up , Chester, Pennsylvania. Every bar tender in my town had one type or another of these devices. They kept order in the establishments they were employed. 😂
I'm 62 now. I first hand witnessed this. I was shoe shining in Rubes Bar Chester Pennsylvania about 1973. This guy was causing a big commotion over paying for his tab. The bar tender reached under the bar and gave him a few whacks. He was so respectful after that.
Thanks for the video. This is a beautiful tool. If I win the lottery, I will probably order one. In one sense, I love that it's not perfectly symmetrical. In another sense, I think the shape could be a weakness. With the traditional sap, gripping the right end from either side puts the user in the right grip. With this one, one much ensure that the sap is rotated to have the finger grooves and the thumb rest on the correct side. Once one gets the sap oriented that way, this design is great. As a self-defense tool, I wonder whether that would be a weakness. Self-defense tools are often grabbed in a moment of stress with almost no time margin. In one sense, I realize that a sap is going to be carried in a way that only one hand is likely to reach for the sap. The sap could be positioned so that the grab by this hand would almost certainly be oriented properly. In another sense, odd things can happen in an emergency, and I would worry that I would be holding this sap the wrong way in a desperate situation. How significant do you think that risk would be? Are the ergonomics when the grip is right that much better than the ergonomics of a regular sap?
This one’s designed to be primarily a cleaver type of sap and it’s design perfect for that. I would say it’s an Apple to orange comparison. Other saps major on the flat side.
The leather sap is a favorite of mine. I have used collapsable batons on duty for many years, but I've only found them useful for picking up nasty things that I didn't want to touch. A leather sap can impart a harder impact than a collapsable baton and it is more concealable both in carry and in use while in the hand. Having a weapon that is somewhat concealed while in the hand can certainly be advantageous.
I think you should always have less then lethal option blund object brass knuckle sap and leathall gun knife or both if you can and can you do review of Spartan-Ronin Shoto Folding Karambit
I agree 100 percent with you in regard to less lethal options that are effective enough to stop someone trying to inflict harm. I always wondered if the negative views of saps and black jacks stemmed partially from the perception that they were used primarily by 1930s organized crime thugs and low level stereotypical muggers from the same era. And they could be carried concealed.
I carry a pistol everyday but I also carry a blackjack because a pistol is always lethal force. A blackjack or sap can be lethal but they can be non lethal and using non lethal first will probably look better in court
I used an Ocean Knives handmade bowie Which comes with a sharp edge and sheath Use it, it's a great brand His Knives are very good especially Bowie knives
Daniel, you are exactly correct. People need to understand the Force Continuum. Understand when lethal force is warranted. Knowing some basic empty hands skills, especially joint locks and throws, is a good place to start. Training is everything.
I always wondered if the negative views of saps and black jacks stemmed partially from the perception that they were used primarily by 1930s organized crime thugs and low level stereotypical muggers from the same era. And they could be carried concealed.
Whoa, clear up to past the middle of the video, all warnings about the use of this item. It’s a jungle out here. Even the cops & all their “training” totally f up on what appears to be routine on RUclips. It’s called over reach, and they don’t cease & desist until a court order tells them to. A knife wielding suspect can be immediately shot, everywhere. For the sake of life or limb, you’d better submit- no matter the what… Do you agree with that? I don’t any more, and just for reference, in the Art of War by Tsu the instruction to stop a thing, attack or disease, whatever “before it can take form” is the advise. So, what’s all this waiting for an actual threatening situation to manifest before doing anything? My point is that nobody (really) can anticipate what, where, how threatening situations can occur, until it’s too late. And I am very experienced at this, and still I have stepped right into it (security) every few years or so.
In order for me to be able to put out these types of videos I have to keep them educational and stay in line with state law requirements. That being said it doesn’t mean that I’m not willing to go berserk if I need to, but we just can’t be cowboys and renegades in our presentation on here. when I have my website in the future, you can become a member and you’ll hear a whole different dialogue but I have to play the game here.
@@411Outdoors I get it brother. Has anyone stopped to consider that this is exactly the wrong coarse of action though? For the sake of $, everyone, everywhere is doing exactly the wrong thing… for a boycott or protest of any thing to be effective, it’s going to have to hurt (us). No mask? Good by job. No vax? No job for you. I’ve always wanted to try a cell phone freeze 🥶, Nation wide, just to see what happens. Would the providers freak out & do/not do something, or would we? Whose going to blink first seems to be the game.
Could you show combos at slow speed before showing them at high speed? All I see is a blur: ruclips.net/video/vrSpk26Uy2g/видео.html Also the sound does not match the video at that point. It is confusing.
@@411Outdoors You broke the combos into component parts and then did the demos at full speed. I was looking for a slow demo before the full-speed demo, so I could see the continuity and transitions. (I am thinking more about future videos. It's too late now for me on this video because I learned how to change the replay speed controller on RUclips. And I was able to see a lot more detail by playing the demo segment at 0.25X).
As always your videos are gold - the one concern / hesitation I have are sap strikes to the head somewhere I don't know where but on RUclips it said sap strikes to the head are serious deadly force - skull fractures may result but it's a life or death situation can the sap be effective without blows to the face or head ? Please let me know thanks !
This sap could probably be fatal. To be used only in life or death scenario. I personally wouldn’t use one of these unless it was real serious and I didn’t think I could handle it on my own.
I have a beautiful one of these. Never used it as such but it’s a very reassuring item to have! Great video, I’ll check out the other sap ones. Much appreciated. Thankyou 👍
I've never used one, but the techniques you show are the same ones I do with a flashlight... Huh I'll buy a sap and practice with it. Thanks!
My riding days are over. When you displayed "the leather sap", my first reaction was that it was a horse paddle. There are horse crops with a weighted paddle end and a thin braded handle that would accomplish the same thing.
For that matter, I knew Lash LaRue who passed away many years ago. He carried two whips in the movies and not handguns. Additionally, a person can carry a quirt, a Cossack whip.
In the original novels, Sherlock Holmes favorite weapon was actually a loaded riding crop.
I certainly always am grateful for your experience candor and truthfulness it's what sets your Channel apart as one of the best you always speak truth . 👑👑👑
@@atheistsince1210 I appreciate that greatly my friend!
*_"I don't need that, I have a firearm."_*
Not every confrontation calls for lethal force.
Exactly
@@cheechwizard7564
But every confrontation could devolve to lethal force.
Very true
@@411Outdoors use gun controll. Use both hands
You miss the point its about less than lethal protection.
I don't know what you do for a living but you speak like a preacher.🙏Either way I love your videos- great everyday honest very informative reviews. God Bless Brother.
Very nice piece. I used to carry one of these on duty back in the early 90s. It could be a “show stopper.”
Very interessting, tanks
When it comes to real close quarters work the slapjack has some advantages over the firearm. You can´t shoot yourself in the foot with it, you don´t have to worry about stray bullets and possibly can use it when a gun would be excessive force. It does have a reach disadvantage.
It's cool to see asymmetric designs like this for the Machiavelli of the libre knife guild gaining traction. I collect saps where i can and the closest i have is the "crooked coffin" from Dirty Mike's Leather. It favors one side, but has a number of corners that would leave a nasty mark if you made an edge strike.
Watch out mrs Irving.
Love the combos! Much better than chamber, hit, chamber, hit. Great flow.
Thank you!
Excellent presentation. There is a site titled "legality of saps and blackjacks" that addresses the use of this instrumentality. They give the applicable statute for each state, with the caveat that they could be wrong with their advice. As a retired criminal defense attorney, state and federal courts (I now teach) research the applicable state law in your jurisdiction. Remember that a county can invoke stricter restrictions than the state has imposed. This is also true in many cases regarding the carrying of knives. Remember silence and non-involvement in arguments (whatever the subject matter is) will prevent many situations from becoming adversarial. Do not open the door and allow misery into your life. These instrumentalities are classified as deadly weapons akin to knives and firearms. You do not want to be thrust into the world of criminal law as a defendant. It is not like in the situations depicted by the entertainment industry. You could be denied bail and spend several years imprisoned before trial and if found innocent you will not be reimbursed for your losses. From a legal standpoint, pepper spray or even a Taser will provide more of an affirmative defense to an adversarial event. If interested, I carry Police Magnum stream in the 4 oz size. They have a size for every situation.
Nice. Cool item.
I've seen those and I'd rather like them much easier to carry than the old round ones
Yeah, the short ones are easy to put in the pocket. I guess it all depends on what you wearing.
I remember back in where I grew up , Chester, Pennsylvania. Every bar tender in my town had one type or another of these devices. They kept order in the establishments they were employed. 😂
I'm 62 now. I first hand witnessed this. I was shoe shining in Rubes Bar Chester Pennsylvania about 1973. This guy was causing a big commotion over paying for his tab. The bar tender reached under the bar and gave him a few whacks. He was so respectful after that.
Thanks for the video.
This is a beautiful tool. If I win the lottery, I will probably order one.
In one sense, I love that it's not perfectly symmetrical. In another sense, I think the shape could be a weakness. With the traditional sap, gripping the right end from either side puts the user in the right grip. With this one, one much ensure that the sap is rotated to have the finger grooves and the thumb rest on the correct side. Once one gets the sap oriented that way, this design is great. As a self-defense tool, I wonder whether that would be a weakness. Self-defense tools are often grabbed in a moment of stress with almost no time margin. In one sense, I realize that a sap is going to be carried in a way that only one hand is likely to reach for the sap. The sap could be positioned so that the grab by this hand would almost certainly be oriented properly. In another sense, odd things can happen in an emergency, and I would worry that I would be holding this sap the wrong way in a desperate situation. How significant do you think that risk would be? Are the ergonomics when the grip is right that much better than the ergonomics of a regular sap?
This one’s designed to be primarily a cleaver type of sap and it’s design perfect for that. I would say it’s an Apple to orange comparison. Other saps major on the flat side.
The leather sap is a favorite of mine. I have used collapsable batons on duty for many years, but I've only found them useful for picking up nasty things that I didn't want to touch. A leather sap can impart a harder impact than a collapsable baton and it is more concealable both in carry and in use while in the hand. Having a weapon that is somewhat concealed while in the hand can certainly be advantageous.
i am big fan your video is amazing love from outdoor
Thank you!
I think you should always have less then lethal option blund object brass knuckle sap and leathall gun knife or both if you can and can you do review of Spartan-Ronin Shoto Folding Karambit
I agree 100 percent with you in regard to less lethal options that are effective enough to stop someone trying to inflict harm. I always wondered if the negative views of saps and black jacks stemmed partially from the perception that they were used primarily by 1930s organized crime thugs and low level stereotypical muggers from the same era. And they could be carried concealed.
I carry a pistol everyday but I also carry a blackjack because a pistol is always lethal force. A blackjack or sap can be lethal but they can be non lethal and using non lethal first will probably look better in court
Excellent weapon.
Mine is not as rigid as yours. But when I broke a concrete block with it I just was amazed
PS
If you did that good of a job with that sap,
you’d be roasted in court.
I've had a lot of experience with saps and blackjacks. The most I ever had to hit anyone was twice.
Yep these things do work close up💥💥👍🏻
How much did Carl charge you for that sap? Please respond? And thank you for sharing a great video.
Since I’m reviewing he didn’t charge. I’m not 100% sure but I think they may be possibly 80 to 100 I could be wrong.
@@411Outdoors ok thanks for getting back to me appreciate it.
I used an Ocean Knives handmade bowie Which comes with a sharp edge and sheath Use it, it's a great brand His Knives are very good especially Bowie knives
Hi there, have you ever heard of the Patu? It's a Maori beaver tail like paddle made of different materials. I think you like it too❤🇺🇸👍🏻
Thank you!
Daniel, you are exactly correct. People need to understand the Force Continuum. Understand when lethal force is warranted. Knowing some basic empty hands skills, especially joint locks and throws, is a good place to start. Training is everything.
Can you make a video on how to protect the leather on a Sap?
I would have to check with my buddy Karl on that one
Only way I would carry one is if it fit in my back pocket.
Here in NJ they're extreme about carrying anything that is specifically a " weapon" ...it's sad. You can carry a machete but not a dagger. So stupid.
Definitely
Curious, what wallet do you use?
I use the Travanti wallet
Would this be any more effective than a one foot long polymer police baton?
I think so my friend
I always wondered if the negative views of saps and black jacks stemmed partially from the perception that they were used primarily by 1930s organized crime thugs and low level stereotypical muggers from the same era. And they could be carried concealed.
hi
try this ocean knives handmade bowie knife
Emailed you back
I’ve emailed the address, is the gentlemen still crafting these? I have not heard back.
He is he’s just very backed up
@@411OutdoorsThank you, I appreciate your time. I’ll practice some patience. Enjoy your presentation style, keep up the good work.
Got em!!
@@411Outdoorsgot em. Great guy to work with.
HI HOW ARE YOU
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Email me a picture and also let me know where they are made
Whoa, clear up to past the middle of the video, all warnings about the use of this item.
It’s a jungle out here. Even the cops & all their “training” totally f up on what appears to be routine on RUclips. It’s called over reach, and they don’t cease & desist until a court order tells them to.
A knife wielding suspect can be immediately shot, everywhere.
For the sake of life or limb, you’d better submit- no matter the what…
Do you agree with that?
I don’t any more, and just for reference, in the Art of War by Tsu the instruction to stop a thing, attack or disease, whatever “before it can take form” is the advise.
So, what’s all this waiting for an actual threatening situation to manifest before doing anything?
My point is that nobody (really) can anticipate what, where, how threatening situations can occur, until it’s too late.
And I am very experienced at this, and still I have stepped right into it (security) every few years or so.
In order for me to be able to put out these types of videos I have to keep them educational and stay in line with state law requirements. That being said it doesn’t mean that I’m not willing to go berserk if I need to, but we just can’t be cowboys and renegades in our presentation on here. when I have my website in the future, you can become a member and you’ll hear a whole different dialogue but I have to play the game here.
@@411Outdoors
I get it brother.
Has anyone stopped to consider that this is exactly the wrong coarse of action though?
For the sake of $, everyone, everywhere is doing exactly the wrong thing… for a boycott or protest of any thing to be effective, it’s going to have to hurt (us).
No mask? Good by job.
No vax? No job for you.
I’ve always wanted to try a cell phone freeze 🥶,
Nation wide, just to see what happens.
Would the providers freak out & do/not do something, or would we?
Whose going to blink first seems to be the game.
Besides Email does he have a Instagram account or anything to see his work?
Yes he’s WEBWELDER on Tiktok and Karl Steirwalt on Instagram
Tried to email but said invalid
I forgot to add the .com 😂
Ok brother thanks!!@@411Outdoors
Could you show combos at slow speed before showing them at high speed? All I see is a blur: ruclips.net/video/vrSpk26Uy2g/видео.html Also the sound does not match the video at that point. It is confusing.
I thought I did a slow demonstration before each. I am super fast once I’m in real time but I did do it slow first
@@411Outdoors You broke the combos into component parts and then did the demos at full speed. I was looking for a slow demo before the full-speed demo, so I could see the continuity and transitions. (I am thinking more about future videos. It's too late now for me on this video because I learned how to change the replay speed controller on RUclips. And I was able to see a lot more detail by playing the demo segment at 0.25X).
As always your videos are gold - the one concern / hesitation I have are sap strikes to the head somewhere I don't know where but on RUclips it said sap strikes to the head are serious deadly force - skull fractures may result but it's a life or death situation can the sap be effective without blows to the face or head ? Please let me know thanks !
This sap could probably be fatal. To be used only in life or death scenario. I personally wouldn’t use one of these unless it was real serious and I didn’t think I could handle it on my own.