Dear Honda, We Want Another Type-R Coupe | DC5 + FL5
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- Опубликовано: 17 май 2024
- Welcome back! I spent the evening with the 2024 Honda Civic Type-R and quickly chasing behind was our friend Elliza in her DC5 Honda Integra Type-R. Enjoy.
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DC5 wouldn't look out of place in a showroom
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Dude an Integra Type S coupe would go so hard!
I’m 42 and just bought an integra type s. Loved this video and think that girl nailed it with her comments.
Since Honda isn't likely going to give us another Type-R Coupe at least give us another S2000. We need something to fill the 2dr divide. Not everyone wants a 4dr Family Sedan or SUV/Truck. There are literally like only 5-6 options entirely from the past decade that even fill that criteria, and most are expensive.
The options are only getting smaller :( Their answer sounds like it'll be the new Prelude...
If rumors are anything to go by, the Prelude may fill that role.
I agree a successor to the S2000 would be ideal, but if it were to come out exactly as it was (lightweight, high revving, barebones) I think it would be 1. Low Volume, 2. (relatively) expensive. Unless they just make a bigger S660 based off of the Type R chassis in a two door form with the same engine. However, it becomes something else, not the S2000.
Sadly the FL5 is the last Type R. Honda already confirmed that. Her Type R is so dope and clean for its age. Sounded so good in the clip of her pulling away from the camera. You can't beat the N/A honda engines. They're just too good.
That's what they say now.. I highly doubt it will be the last one. Electric cars are not selling.
@luism8130 yea but the governments are forcing their hands regardless so it really doesn't matter if they're selling or not
they said its the last pure ICE Type R, but the type R name will continue
Given the Prelude, we should expect the next type R to use its hybrid system and continue to use the k20c turbo
@@ShaiyanHossain yea and it'll become the CR-Z 😭
It's the last naturally aspirated Type R. Not the last one...
Agree. We need a coupe. CR-X was a coupe. Prelude was a coupe. Every Si was a coupe. Until just a few years ago.
the si has been offered as a sedan since 2006, which is 18 years ago
@@ShaiyanHossaintrue but I know what he means, Coupe’s were offered too. I love my 8th Gen Si Coupe
Its 45-50k. Its aimed at the older generation that grew up doing this when you two were in diapers who are now grown up and have families. I love the new type r and the type s and Im 42
I love how the fk8 and fl5 look but lean a bit towards more the style of the fk8. Similar to what they said in the video about a DC5 where people can mistake it for a base model RSX. I think the design of the fk8 clearly separates it from the base model while with the fl5, I can’t tell if it’s a fl5 or a base model on the streets without seeing type r badges.
Let's be real, 2 door coupes just don't sell in the US anymore and the numbers don't lie. The amount of R&D to make three different version; Coupe, Hatch, and Sedan, of the same car will be quite costly for Honda.
90s kid here grow up with hondas and always wanted a type r, any of them really. ek9 and EP3 mostly.. The way the market is on cars from the 90s and early 2000 is just dumb especially here in australia and most of us would want to throw at least another 10k min on top of the what you got it for to tune, add and personalise a car to the way they want it. which if your lucky your looking around 30 to 35k total. Add another 5k and your in the market to buy a 2017 FK8 which is turbo charged and ready for the track ( that as a father of 2 is a mad plus ) The FK8 to me is what a 90s kid that is into the jdm life was looking for, yeah its not the most sleeper looking one from factory but if you didnt see the triple exhaust the normal person would think its just an RS( SI in the USA ) Type R > RS.. FL5 is nice and growing on me but if i had that model i would keep it stock and be happy with it but the fk8 makes me want to mod it. :D
Very candid, diplomatic, calm, insightful and unbiased comments / remarks about old school "analogue" Honda JDM vs. new generations turbo-charged Honda Type R's.
This truly reflects what that individual understands and appreciates Hondas and the spirits behind - and more impressively so from such a young lady who might be driving a Honda older than her. Truly inspiring!
(I am sure Honda would continuing making this kind of "screaming" Hondas if they could, if not for the ever-tightening emission requirements)
Well said. I own a FD2R but modified and yet I have to use daily since I have a daughter I need to carry around. I’ve always been divided between the FD2 and a newer civic and with the FL5…. That car will be a classic. When I say modified, it’s been more divided but driving the car, feeling it pull me into the turns and VTEC (2.2L Brian Crower) oh man… the insane rush…. Just going to pick up my daughter from school. :P. What ever you pick, make it yours and keep it safe.
Yes please! A Type R coupe would be awesome and fly so fast off the showrooms!
We're lucky to even still get a hatch or sedan! everyone wants a CUV or SUV
No. Actually the Type R hatch is perfect the way it is.
As a family man I think it works to be able to also drive my kids plus own my fun car at the same time.
Going by previous sales the 2 door economy car doesn’t sell nearly as much as the 4 door.
The type R only makes up 1% of total civic sales.
I'm a dad, and I love Hondas. Fast Hondas! So this car is perfect for me. I can drive with my wife and 2 kids comfortably.
I agree with everything Ell said. I also agree with everything you said Marcus. It's a question of soul indeed. I own a Honda S2000 (AP1) so if I had to pick just one between the DC5 Type R and FL5 Type R, what would I choose? The answer is hopefully obvious (DC5-R)
It makes all the sense for the civic type r to be 2dr and the Integra to be 4dr
Agreed.
逆なんです
日本ではシビックはファミリカーの専門ディーラー、インテグラはスポーツモデルの専門ディーラーに分けて販売されていました。
よって、インテグラが2dr、シビックは4drが車の歴史としては理にかなっています。
@@user-fr9tk4sw4r I agree with this. Civicc were always meant to be small family movers. Dad just wanted a little more pep to not feel so bad about his life choices.
Man working in used car dealer its insane how much s2000's went up. We just sold a rhd in the 30s and i think it had like 45k on it. Red hard top, thing was clean.
Was this in North America or Japan?
@@sheldonlamey7010 North America
If my FL5 Type R had also been available in coupe form? Yes, the coupe would have been my first choice. But I’m not complaining- this 4-door design is handsome, and the driving dynamics are superb. Very harmonious!
The Civic Type R in Germany costs 90k CAD or 66k USD. The prices are insane.
Cars, all cars, have gotten so damn big and heavy haven't they?
you can thank the US government for that
I would just like my DB7 Ls to just drive good let alone a Type R🚗🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
The new Prelude is a coupe 👍
I'm a Subie guy and have an STI which is why I probably prefer the FK8 look to the newer version. I've been looking at buying a new daily and a Type R was considered. I'd want an NA that revs super high version the new turbo charged ones. Still, I'd love to have an FK8 as a daily. I'd probably start modifying it like I did with my Subie... so yeah, I'd love a new challenge with the Type R. I would also love DC2. RSX would be a fun car to have!
Maybe the new prelude 🤞
9:21 BMW M4* not M2.
[BMW's new car model system is pretty confusing nowadays...]
I'll be picking up a FL5 soon! :)
Honda should’ve make another 2 door Integra Type R instead of the 4 door Type S, but then, price would be too expensive.
Shave the rear door handles on the FL5... and there's your coupe 😂
yup...
Hah. Didn’t even see the rears, eyes were drawn to that massive wing.😂
That’s for sure! The aesthetics are important. The current one has the econobox grocery getter look.
the civic type R has always been a fast econobox
@@ShaiyanHossain obviously not, it reasonably stopped looking like an econobox after ep3 type r. Granted I like all of them
Well if the prelude comes out on the same chassis as the civic maybe a type r drivetrain can get dropped into it probably be like 55k tho
As of now it's confirmed hybrid only which also likely means no manual trans. A Type-R drivetrain and wheel/tire setup in the new Prelude would make me happy though...
@@RoadsUntraveledbut honda made the crz which was a manual hybrid so it may be possible that this new prelude could be! Im hoping so
I just want a FL5 at MSRP 🤷🏻♂️
Excellent car, it would be nice if Honda experimented going RWD. With these cars you literally need some micky thompson et streets on the front.
Look at how much more approachable the size and shape of that DC5 is vs the Civic. Honda really needs to go back to a more simple smaller approachable formula. Mazda is still doing it great w the MX-5, why can't the great Honda?
the miata isnt built upon a mass market chassis . its a roadster that's pretty impractical which is why its so small and light
The coupe render of the DE5 integra TypeS should've been real thing. Made way more sense than selling 2 hatch backs with the same exact platform and no real differentiation
Dear Honda, I truly want a new 2dr hatchback Si; Si-R; R
We needed an ITR not an ITS
I’d rather have another s2000. Front engine rear drive
I'd sign up for this.
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It's actually not the fastest around the Nuremberg anymore. It's another Japanese cars not sold in the states
Prelude
Yes Prelude is returning. Reason I didn't mention it is because it's not likely to be available with a manual transmission. It's confirmed to be a hybrid and if Honda creates a new hybrid powertrain specifically for the Prelude with a manual I would be shocked. Very unlikely.
@@RoadsUntraveled I think honda would. Never release a prelude without a manual option.
It may even get 4 wheel steer again or and awd option and more powerful r and s versions a year layer..
I see it becoming the integra coupe as well
Fl5 is a whale! You can't even call it a hatchback anymore
Please honda give us a damn coupe I'm tired of 4doors 🙏👌
is new predule coupe ruclips.net/video/q-mE0iBvAGU/видео.html
The Dc5 geometry and McPherson strut set-up couldn't touch the DC2. This comparison is not close, FL5 easily wins this. The chassis, suspension, torque and overall power; I must be missing something. 🤔🧐
This wasn't so much a comparison of lap times as it was about the enthusiasts perception of both of these cars and in what scenarios they're more likely to drive them in. DC2, DC5, and FD2 Type-Rs are all very raw in sound and road feel compared to the FL5.
FL5 is amazing for a modern car, but it's tough to escape the added weight and fake engine sound. Just as an example. Even still it's probably the greatest FWD car on sale today alongside the Type-S
@@RoadsUntraveled No manufacturer can give us that raw feeling anymore. The M2 now weighs 3800lbs it's just the reality of the times. Honda has stayed true to the formula, FWD, light weight by modern standard's. They produced the best FWD available today. For a Civic to be capable of destroying genuine sports cars on track, be practical enough to load your gear and make it back home reliably is no small feat. I think once everything is electrified people will take the rose colored shades off and realize wow what an era this is.
miata and gr86? @@thebumpban4959
Intergra fl5 is coming
What?
We dont want a type r coupe... Honda is bringing back the prelude though...
Coupes are dead. Sad but true. Especially liftback coupes for some reason despite them being the most practical. (And no, I don't mean a hatchback, I mean a LIFTBACK like a Scion tC. Hatchbacks are ugly and lame(usually))
people want a type R coupe but then honda barely sold any 10th gen civic coupes or even 9th gen accord coupes hmmm
is the market for an expensive fwd coupe there? the brz/86, Z, Mustang all continue to exist only because they're updates on older platforms, and the Supra because of BMW making the car for toyota, not to mention toyota is magnitudes larger than Honda as a company too
I disagree with her on not having the rev match on the fact of the matter is that you are not going to rev match better than a computer
Same line of thinking as "you can't shift faster than a computer, so why are you still driving manual?"
I don't buy it. We drive for fun and to build skills behind the wheel.
@RoadsUntraveled true but just because you drive with the rev match on it doesn't take away from the experience I have been driving manual for 20+ years and I will probably drive a manual until I am no longer on this earth
I love it but too expensive. All cars are. FJB
if you think its biden's problem that cars are expensive then you're part of the problem
So Biden controls the prices of cars around the world. Ignorant people that don’t understand Geopolitical events or global economies. 😂
The current Civic could be described as a "4-door coupe". Why is the hatch so damn racked? It could be loads more practical than that. This is probably also why we won't get a coupe. The current Civic was made to fuze hatch and coupe together, creating the worst of both worlds.
its meant to appeal to americans without cannibalizing HRV and CRV sales, because if the civic was a proper hatchback, it would have even more space than it already does (best in class tbh) and make small crossovers irrelevant
@@ShaiyanHossain If it had that it might've been even more competitive.
@@ShaiyanHossain What's your opinion on the hybrid Civic? I still don't understand their hybrid system.
@@imnotusingmyrealname4566 i think the upcoming hybrid is fine and makes more sense to own long term over the 1.5 turbo
@@ShaiyanHossain How so? Do you know about how the hybrid system is made up?
Honda failed when they made the civic into the intégra, and then decided to push a civic type R which should have been called Intégra Type R.
The civic R is not very popular in Japan because Honda is basically terrible now.
The Civic is too big for japan
Also the integra has always been a nicer civic. The new one is actually selling pretty well too
@@ShaiyanHossain oh yah, Integra kept the heratage - Honda killed the civic and turned it into a Camery competitor in the US. . . so sad
no the res of the compact class couldn't keep up. only VW and Hyundai got the memo much later@@existentialvoid
Original philosophy of making Type R's (from the Father of Honda Type R after NSX-R) = "Young people can effort" and "It's built for track but you can drive it on the road if you so opt".
Now = "It is built for both the road and the track" - which is a "split personality" statement in my own opinion. You simply cannot work against fundamental physics.
Put it more bluntly, I personally would not buy a Honda if I want a turbo (my personal opinion only - no generosity).
Cars so expensive and a ripoff these days
it's making those K24 builds and swaps look very appealing
Yeah imagine how much a 2 door type r would be over 65k prolly they crazy
Don't be mad, because you can't afford it, work harder, get smarter.
yessir guy with a modded supra that runs same 1/4 mile times as a bolt on N/A k20 civic
@jonathanramirez878 LOL that's all you got. Did you not see it was cutting power. My cars not even tuned and will run low 12s high 11s all day.
You can never diss a supra because all enthusiasts know what a 2jz can do lol
Elantra N DCT FTW
Looks ugly tho
Lol a Hyundai. Might as well buy a kia 😅
Elantra owners always lurking on Type R videos, you know who the fwd King is 🛑 the 🧢
@@Unicornpirate still faster than any type R 🤙
@thebumpban4959 always lol. The most jealous/bitter group of car guys online. I know one from an old EN group I was in and I just saw him comment on Tophers comparison of the two that he had a CTR and traded it for a EN because the en "was a better sports car." Literally, the whole long ass story was made up. Dude never owned one, just that pressed that he couldn't afford one so he lives to trash them in every video 😂
We don't want another slow pos dc5. Give me modern turbo
This would benefit from a focused conversation-review instead of blabbing constantly. You’re losing viewers because of it guaranteed.
sports cars are 2 doors . end of story anything else is just compromise cuz your lost your balls .
Dc5 is oold news we want new cars
No coupes they are lame honda we want sedands