That’s why I watch your channel , full of knowledge and explain things in a way people can understand. The main thing for me is your attention to detail . When you leave the call it has to be correct . I feel your pain on that !!! There are way too many slugs in this business and it’s good to see someone that still has pride in their work 👏👏👏👏
Good ole Rick.....throw some junk equipment, crappy installs and hack-tastic previous repairs and he'll make it run....you are a damn good tech who wears many hats.
Got to love those people at the distributor house no matter what brand they had a job at 7-Eleven just yesterday they're like what is an air filter I have no idea what that is
Yes, I remember when they came out. Dear god no. However, the non electric version of it is nice. As in normal txv and no electric boards. The concept of the air handler though is decent. I wonder how they hold up over time. I rather that than a rusty old metal body.
We all have our least favorite brands and to be honest most of them are not what they used to be in terms of quality. But you made a good point there by adressing the quality of the installation. If you work mostly with one brand and everything is installed by Jim Bob and his cousin you slowly start to question the industry and your own sanity. Great work as always.
Thank you for your support, I figure I'll catch some crap for not liking Trane. Their commercial stuff's pretty nice. I came to this company to get away from residential so I'm really falling behind on Tranes newest equipment
@@HVACRSurvival Well i don´t like residential either because i dont´t like most people. I can fix a machine but i can´t fix stupid and that sets the mood before even arriving at the site. But you know it is crap equipment when you at one point never replace parts with the OEM because a failed part is a callback and a callback is "your" fault and not the parts.
The eev board has test point for regular probes. They are labeled gas and evap.. also you can always find their service facts by using pdf. Tam7 or 8 . For future info you can just unplug the sensors plug from the board that will put the system in safe mode.. get them going.
I have been working on that same system for about 3 years. Faulty sensor galore! That is not even the higher efficient system that Trane offers. Job security for sure. The original install company will not go out anymore. Sad situation for customer that spent the money $9000 on that system only 4 years ago. Definitely hit the nail on the head with the hard to stop a Trane comment in video. Thanks for sharing!
Truly is sad, there's really not that many Trane dealers in my area for residential. We will sell commercial Trane when requested and that equipment is fairly good stuff, I am falling behind on my residential ever since I came to this company to get away from it
I admire your troubleshooting skills and your patience. Another interesting video, thank you. I retired from Trane Canada in 2016 as a field service rep, we were a 90% gas furnace market but did sell a few of the XL20i outdoor units. The plastic Hyperion air handlers were fairly new on the market. The 20i units had two recip compressors and featured “charge assist” as you mentioned. If you had the optional solenoid for your charging cylinder and under the appropriate conditions, you could simply connect your cylinder through the solenoid, charge with liquid, and the unit would shut off the solenoid once charged. I tried it a few times and it worked as advertised. Too bad that unit was so poorly installed.
Wow cool! I always love hearing from people that were in the field especially when they worked for the factory. Like I said, they did a good job on the instructions, I have a hard time reading all the way though and not skipping then having to reread it again because I missed something🤦🏻
@@HVACRSurvival Yes, so much to read. In my day as a service tech, installation manuals were maybe 20 pages including a parts diagram and warranty info. By the time I left Trane, the installers guide, service facts and warranty info numbered close to 175 double sided pages. That’s a weekend read…I feel for busy technicians servicing all the makes because you just can’t know it all.
The Hyperion Air Handler is a superior product in many ways.... it is metal, NOT plastic. It is just a composite coating... it is a very sophisticated unit when compared to the typical generic air handler. The metering device (EEV) is also a very superior device with the highest efficiency, and also the lowest failure rate of any other type, other than a fixed piston. I am surprised you're not a fan of the equipment.... as you seem to be one of the few techs intelligent enough to understand it. Trane products are absolutely mechanically superior. Not just an opinion, but a statistic. Who better to calculate this than someone who has sold 100s and 100s and 100s of them for over 30 years ? I literally have thousands of them out that I am responsible for. Quick Tip for the sensor situation: just unplug either sensor that is bad, cycle the power, and the system will run in "safe mode" as we all call it, meaning the valve will go to a stable position. (usually about 50%) This is a handy feature for those who don't keep these parts in stock. The low stage was just probably not making much of an impact as it is designed for the mild conditions.... 10 mins later when the high stage compressor came on you had the full tonnage to work with. Those old 2 compressor units were all 50/50... except the 2 ton. Great video, you should have known I of all people would like it !!
Thanks Ted! I didn't know that about the thermistor for Trane👍👍. I know Water furnace and Climate master both have that feature👍👍. You noticed I gave them props for easy instructions and you can hear some compliments on the product. My main complaint is having to learn on the fly, no one wants to struggle looking for the info and if you run into problems finding answers isn't easy. To be fair Carrier can be a pain in butt if your supplier doesn't have the answer. Lennox, Waterfurnace and climate master are some of the few that will take your call directly.
@@HVACRSurvival Higher end Trane systems should be serviced or repaired by a Trane Dealer.... and, training is key. I know these units in my sleep.... you should too !! Sign up today !!
I have been to Indianapolis for Voyager training, don't forget I have been trying to avoid residential since coming here 7.5 years ago but I have the most residential experience at my location out of the other 4 braches. So I get sent to the ones closest to our shop. It's not normally a problem on basic units no matter the manufacturer but when you have to read what they're up to it makes it more a pain. Like the charger feature, why do you need a board to tell you when it's charged correctly and even has the option of a solenoid to stop the refrigerant flow😉
Heat pumps under 19 SEER have no place in 20 degree environment. I discourage anything but Ductless Mini-splits. Trane is terrible on big RTU-S I had dealt with. Not changing filters however and not oversizing the return is on the installer/ architect.
I will just sit here and enjoy my simple wood stove with no electronics.. 6 year old carrier propane furance in basement has a plugged secondary heat exchanger... part is warranty. $1300 labor to change though. I have thought about upgrading to a heat pump though. something like the Bosh looks nice. Great video man.
Thanks chris, check on the labor credit for that heat exchanger replacement. You might be getting it stuck to you. There's no way they should be charging that kind of money. Also watch the Bosch heat pumps. I installed series 1 in my inlaws and had bad dehumidification issues. Far as heating they do great
I would figure yes but possibly no, the controls are smart enough to know that that number should be changing as the temperature goes up or down. I haven't tried it to make sure, it really comes down to the way they programmed the logic
Those fluke probes with the retractable guards are amazing. Got similar ones with my 87Ⅴ MAX. Nothing like probing around a board and jumping high voltage across to another component becauseyou lost the guards, yes the work with Fieldpiece DMM's. Guys once you go FLUKE you won't go back, LOL. That 87 can see a voltage/amperage spikes that you didn't even know happened, you wil find shorts that no one else can see. Reads amperage on the optional clamp down to around 0.2 amps, with this you can quickly find high amperage components low voltage circuits. It has bailed me out so many times. Averages out amp and voltage readings you have a solid number to note. Can read proper voltage at the motor end of a VFD by filtering out the spikes and the ringing that can occur on long runs to the motor. It doesn't read 0.0 like FP DMM's while it auto ranges (that will kill you). Its ability to read peak, peak to peak gives me an idea of weather I need to go back for my for my O-scope on a bus. I'm never on a roof without my 87.
I feel confident when I use my 87v. I have several flukes. 112,117, 902fc, 376fc, I tried the others but the fluke does a few things great vs several things kinda ok.
Thanks for the video Rick! I've only worked on those fancy Trane Air Handlers a couple of times so any information is helpful! I get why the bad senor shut the unit down but I also don't like it when one cheap sensor can leave someone without air and/or heat. At least they had electric backup. Stay safe out there!
If I’m not mistaken, you can unplug the sensors at the board and that will make the EEV valve run in a limp mode. It will basically act like a fixed piston…until you can replace the sensors.
Don't worry Rick, in a couple more years your company will get the chance to replace that system. It shouldn't be much longer before Ice buildup causes the ODU coil to get rammed up into the top housing sitting on the ground like that :-) Great video, Thanks!
I'm an automotive guy and pretty much exclusively back probe things, and use those exact probes. I sharpened my back probes to a fine point at the end so they more easily slip past weather pack seals on connectors. In my opinion those probes are also on the fat side so the sharpening really helps.
Liquid electrical tape, if piercing the wire insulation. I have molex plug tool to re pin a molex connector, those tiny connectors have to have something similar.
I had just bought two full sets of automotive style connection removal tools but I didn't want to chance damaging the plug. I only put the round plugs on the van.
Hate these units with a passion. Insult to injury when you crawl through the attic to find one of these and forget a Phillips bit/screwdriver to pop the coil door off. Do like the positive pressure design though, that’s kinda cool. Awesome video as usual!
Yeah they do. Especially with their commercial equipment. No tech support, some equipment manuals are available, some are not. They only want their techs to touch it. They are better than most though.
Where do you get these units ? I though i was the only one who gets stuff like this . Love that liquid line drip! Yeah love the video thanks for making it . liked your theary on the capacitor makes sense.
Twenty year Telephone repair tech speaking here. Scotchlocks are designed for solid conductor wire only. We warned not to use on stranded wire or you will be going back on a repeat sooner or later.
@@HVACRSurvival The design is wrong for stranded wire. The metal fork cuts into the wire and spreads out the wire strands along with damaging the wire. They end up loose with intermittent connection problems. 3M should have left them with the telephone people.
They company I work for is a trane dealer we actually stop selling that air handler because we had nothing but trouble with sensors going bad and EEV stepper motors going bad nice design in the cabinet I like how the insulation is not exposed to the airstream but definitely some quality control issues going on at Trane we’re seeing them in their gas furnaces as well
As you said, get rid of Chuck and a truck and this system is terrific. It seems like a great system but we have so many of the 1/2 arsers, a great system is doomed from the start. Nice save from Trane parts mistake.
Oh I've had to help a tech replace the compressors in those. You have to take the entire coil off just to get to them easily enough. Such a mess. Glad they are gone, but Idk if the variable speed one is a better replacement. No longer in the field.
@@sprockkets I have replaced the low stage compressor without having to remove coil, but it probably would have taken the same amount of time if I had removed it. The variable speed compressors are just like any single stage compressor.
I would feel the same way working on other brands higher end stuff. That's basically the bulk of what I work on, they really are actually easy to work on. Just looks confusing at first. As long as the books there your good. Lol. Good job though.
Exactly correct! Basic other brands are easy but this propriety equipment is a learning curve. I got lucky and found the manuals on the side of the duct.
What you can do with the coil temp sensor (orange) is unplug at the harness and the eev will go into a fail safe position. The board will flash 3 -4times I believe indicating sensor fault but will run. Trane always sends the wrong parts. Good find the sensors on the TAM cabinets suck.
@@KoolinwithKrauss Ted's a cool guy👍👍. If all I serviced was mainly one brand, life would be easy like when I was at a Lennox dealer for most of my first 15 years, I could walk in and out of calls in under a hour. Now I'm doing everything under the sun as you see I'm a little over diversified🤪
@@HVACRSurvival dude you ain’t lying it would be nice to work with one brand specifically, unfortunately we have to figure out why the hell each manufacturer wants things done outside the realm of normalcy sometimes lol makes our days half way interesting other half frustrating (sometimes)
That's what they use in auto diagnostics where piercing is often the only option even under the car. You have to be careful with back probing as it can wedge a loose terminal and "fix" the problem till you remove the probe.
Oh and the faults that you saw and diagnosed on the air handler those faults would have been thrown during a cooling operation they have probably been sitting there blinking red for a while your board outside is going to throw stuff in the heat mode
Just chiming in a year later because this came up in my feed again. The indoor coil sensors have nothing to do with heat pump operation. The outdoor eev and low side pressure transducer and low side thermistor mounted by the compressor drive the eev through an outdoor eev board. In cooling mode if you get an indoor coil sensor failure you can unplug both the sensors and it will drive the eev to contingency mode and cool fairly well until you get back ( unless the eev has failed or the strainer is clogged with crud) I've worked for Trane Comfort Specialists for 20 plus years, and I can imagine what it must be like to walk up to one of these or a TAM9 with an XV20 variable speed compressor and you don't have the literature. YIKES... I find Trane to actually be very sensible and easy to diagnose once you understand the flow ,the system testing capabilities off the thermostat and you HAVE ACCESS TO THE SERVICE FACTS,and they're just as reliable as anyone else out there if not more,and we all know what that means. Great video!!!!!
Thanks man! It's no more high tech than a Carrier Infinity. Just like you said, if you haven't seen it before 😲 but if you know the sequence of operation it's going to be easier
Back probe lol, sounds like an alien encounter. Also, I’m not a fan of those GAM and TAM Trane units at all. In Florida in 2022 there was such a shortage of the EEV drive boards that Trane came out with a “work around”, which involve three earth magnets and manually opening the EEV. York makes an EEV magnet that is designed to manually open and close the EEV for brazing purposes to flow nitrogen
Agreed the best equipment installed like $hit, gives you a big pile of $shit.... I'm a trane dealer, they have their issues same as others. The ONLY reason I continue to sell 'em is that Hyperion air handler. its not perfect however its defiantly a major step in the right direction. I've had lots of issues with thermistors on the early TAM7's..
Thanks for sharing! I like high tech but I have been transferring out of residential and I'm starting to fall behind on the newest Carriers. They all have problems. Like you said, proper install is King.
I was wondering if that EXV closes down and the system pumps down when it shuts down which as you know there would be very little pressure on the low side What do you think I haven’t done residential in years Thanks
@@HVACRSurvival ok I was just wondering because man that was a lot of oil and those solder joints looked suspect as heck. Man why don’t guys clean up the old oil spots a little degreaser goes a long way Stay warm up there Thanks for replying
Most importantly is one that is installed correctly with pride. I like Carrier Infinity series the most until they are out of the 10 year warranty but even they can have some small problems. Rheem is ok, so is Lennox but they all have something about them that someone won't like. People like working on what they know best.
It's a good thing the manuals are accessible! Looks like the person cooked the Schrader's. Thanks again for the videos. 🥃🥃🍺🍺🍺🏌🏻♀️🎯 Stay safe. Retired (werk'n)keyboard super tech. Wear your safety glasses!
If you're talking about where I was talking to the camera in the office at the end, yes. I believe it's the 630, it's the original one from back in the '70s.i believe. It still works
Most of my experience is on Lennox and Carrier but the majority is on Lennox. I'm not a Lennox fan any more ... all this equipment is garbage anymore. However Carrier Infinity has some pretty nice stuff. Believe it or not I have almost no problems out of the cheap Ducane equipment. Most of it boils down to technical support from the factory, good engineering and proper installation, if you miss any of those items, everything's going to be a disaster no matter what brand.
@@HVACRSurvival That's weird, since Ducane says on their web site they are Lennox. Ha. This is why I hate it when people hate on Gree. Maybe it is deserved but so far I haven't read anything of substance bad about them on the HVAC forums.
@@sprockkets Allied Air owns Lennox, Ducane, Air Flow, AirEase, Armstrong, Concord and MagicPak. Like I mentioned before My first 15 years of my 26 we're running residential and commercial for a private Lennox Premier Dealer that also sold Carrier. Also worked for a Rheem dealer.
Like this guy better than the other hvacr videos guy on RUclips who always sounds like a sensitive liberal about to cry on everycall he’s on. Lol just my opinion of the different techs out there. I prefer survivals style!
Stupid customers buy high end equipement and dont change there filters on a Reg base...= neglect the installer did a poor job also ...so sad ( 30 years hvac guy here ) and trane is kind of my favorite 👍 Plus u never never instal a heat pump direct on ground ice will build up during defrost mode 👎
@@HVACRSurvival indeed btw love your aproach your a bitt negative 😂 but the tecknical is very good im certain to lurn watching your Pain 😅 take care and keep up the great work 👍🇨🇦
I bet you all those different colored blinking lights added an extra thousand dollars to the cost of that system. Cost $.30 extra to install but after their profit margin markup.
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Wow didn't even blink or stop talking when seeing the dead mouse sitting on the cap at 12:39 lol 🤣
It's a mouse on a farm with fields all around, if it were a snake...you would have seen a very different response.
That’s why I watch your channel , full of knowledge and explain things in a way people can understand. The main thing for me is your attention to detail . When you leave the call it has to be correct . I feel your pain on that !!! There are way too many slugs in this business and it’s good to see someone that still has pride in their work 👏👏👏👏
🙏 Thank you for noticing🤜🤛, some people think I'm negative, I'm just particular and want it done right.
Good ole Rick.....throw some junk equipment, crappy installs and hack-tastic previous repairs and he'll make it run....you are a damn good tech who wears many hats.
Man I love when you ramble as soon as you found the mess of wires. Lol it’s sucks that nobody truly cares
Thanks! I try to not leave in to much rambling or negativity, some people can't handle it and get all bent. 🤔
Got to love those people at the distributor house no matter what brand they had a job at 7-Eleven just yesterday they're like what is an air filter I have no idea what that is
The ‘over’engineers at Trane really did a number on those air handlers. I shake my head every time I come upon one.
Thank God I found the manual, otherwise I would have been screwed. Why couldn't they put the codes on the cover. Rocket science that's why 😁🤦🏻
@@HVACRSurvival you can Google the manual been there done that.
Yes, I remember when they came out. Dear god no. However, the non electric version of it is nice. As in normal txv and no electric boards. The concept of the air handler though is decent. I wonder how they hold up over time. I rather that than a rusty old metal body.
I find every trane commercial unit I work on is insanely over complicated.
We all have our least favorite brands and to be honest most of them are not what they used to be in terms of quality. But you made a good point there by adressing the quality of the installation.
If you work mostly with one brand and everything is installed by Jim Bob and his cousin you slowly start to question the industry and your own sanity.
Great work as always.
Thank you for your support, I figure I'll catch some crap for not liking Trane. Their commercial stuff's pretty nice. I came to this company to get away from residential so I'm really falling behind on Tranes newest equipment
@@HVACRSurvival Well i don´t like residential either because i dont´t like most people.
I can fix a machine but i can´t fix stupid and that sets the mood before even arriving at the site.
But you know it is crap equipment when you at one point never replace parts with the OEM because a failed part is a callback and a callback is "your" fault and not the parts.
Looks great. Hopefully you get more customers!
The eev board has test point for regular probes. They are labeled gas and evap.. also you can always find their service facts by using pdf. Tam7 or 8 . For future info you can just unplug the sensors plug from the board that will put the system in safe mode.. get them going.
Thanks for the feedback! Thanks for watching!
I have been working on that same system for about 3 years. Faulty sensor galore! That is not even the higher efficient system that Trane offers. Job security for sure. The original install company will not go out anymore. Sad situation for customer that spent the money $9000 on that system only 4 years ago. Definitely hit the nail on the head with the hard to stop a Trane comment in video. Thanks for sharing!
Truly is sad, there's really not that many Trane dealers in my area for residential. We will sell commercial Trane when requested and that equipment is fairly good stuff, I am falling behind on my residential ever since I came to this company to get away from it
Also, the panel behind the mirror was a nice touch, I would have been looking for the panel for a couple hours, haha.
It took me a good 25 minutes, I went in the attic and every room in the house trying to find it. 🤦🏻
Well , a good early Friday vid ... Thx
Great job !!!! The video got cold and it went inside and hide behind the mirror lol
Love it!
I admire your troubleshooting skills and your patience. Another interesting video, thank you. I retired from Trane Canada in 2016 as a field service rep, we were a 90% gas furnace market but did sell a few of the XL20i outdoor units. The plastic Hyperion air handlers were fairly new on the market. The 20i units had two recip compressors and featured “charge assist” as you mentioned. If you had the optional solenoid for your charging cylinder and under the appropriate conditions, you could simply connect your cylinder through the solenoid, charge with liquid, and the unit would shut off the solenoid once charged. I tried it a few times and it worked as advertised. Too bad that unit was so poorly installed.
Wow cool! I always love hearing from people that were in the field especially when they worked for the factory. Like I said, they did a good job on the instructions, I have a hard time reading all the way though and not skipping then having to reread it again because I missed something🤦🏻
@@HVACRSurvival Yes, so much to read. In my day as a service tech, installation manuals were maybe 20 pages including a parts diagram and warranty info. By the time I left Trane, the installers guide, service facts and warranty info numbered close to 175 double sided pages. That’s a weekend read…I feel for busy technicians servicing all the makes because you just can’t know it all.
Great video
Good to see you ✌
Rick, thanks for sharing the video !
Your welcome Teddy 👍👍
The Hyperion Air Handler is a superior product in many ways.... it is metal, NOT plastic. It is just a composite coating... it is a very sophisticated unit when compared to the typical generic air handler. The metering device (EEV) is also a very superior device with the highest efficiency, and also the lowest failure rate of any other type, other than a fixed piston. I am surprised you're not a fan of the equipment.... as you seem to be one of the few techs intelligent enough to understand it. Trane products are absolutely mechanically superior. Not just an opinion, but a statistic. Who better to calculate this than someone who has sold 100s and 100s and 100s of them for over 30 years ? I literally have thousands of them out that I am responsible for. Quick Tip for the sensor situation: just unplug either sensor that is bad, cycle the power, and the system will run in "safe mode" as we all call it, meaning the valve will go to a stable position. (usually about 50%) This is a handy feature for those who don't keep these parts in stock. The low stage was just probably not making much of an impact as it is designed for the mild conditions.... 10 mins later when the high stage compressor came on you had the full tonnage to work with. Those old 2 compressor units were all 50/50... except the 2 ton. Great video, you should have known I of all people would like it !!
Thanks Ted! I didn't know that about the thermistor for Trane👍👍. I know Water furnace and Climate master both have that feature👍👍. You noticed I gave them props for easy instructions and you can hear some compliments on the product. My main complaint is having to learn on the fly, no one wants to struggle looking for the info and if you run into problems finding answers isn't easy. To be fair Carrier can be a pain in butt if your supplier doesn't have the answer. Lennox, Waterfurnace and climate master are some of the few that will take your call directly.
@@HVACRSurvival Higher end Trane systems should be serviced or repaired by a Trane Dealer.... and, training is key. I know these units in my sleep.... you should too !! Sign up today !!
I have been to Indianapolis for Voyager training, don't forget I have been trying to avoid residential since coming here 7.5 years ago but I have the most residential experience at my location out of the other 4 braches. So I get sent to the ones closest to our shop. It's not normally a problem on basic units no matter the manufacturer but when you have to read what they're up to it makes it more a pain. Like the charger feature, why do you need a board to tell you when it's charged correctly and even has the option of a solenoid to stop the refrigerant flow😉
Heat pumps under 19 SEER have no place in 20 degree environment. I discourage anything but Ductless Mini-splits. Trane is terrible on big RTU-S I had dealt with. Not changing filters however and not oversizing the return is on the installer/ architect.
I will just sit here and enjoy my simple wood stove with no electronics.. 6 year old carrier propane furance in basement has a plugged secondary heat exchanger... part is warranty. $1300 labor to change though. I have thought about upgrading to a heat pump though. something like the Bosh looks nice. Great video man.
Thanks chris, check on the labor credit for that heat exchanger replacement. You might be getting it stuck to you. There's no way they should be charging that kind of money. Also watch the Bosch heat pumps. I installed series 1 in my inlaws and had bad dehumidification issues. Far as heating they do great
thanks a lot for that. I will check it out right now! $1300 Canadian funds. Like $80 American(exaggeration) haha.
You can use a resistance decade box to trick controllers into thinking they have a working sensor just for testing purposes.
I would figure yes but possibly no, the controls are smart enough to know that that number should be changing as the temperature goes up or down. I haven't tried it to make sure, it really comes down to the way they programmed the logic
Those fluke probes with the retractable guards are amazing. Got similar ones with my 87Ⅴ MAX. Nothing like probing around a board and jumping high voltage across to another component becauseyou lost the guards, yes the work with Fieldpiece DMM's.
Guys once you go FLUKE you won't go back, LOL. That 87 can see a voltage/amperage spikes that you didn't even know happened, you wil find shorts that no one else can see. Reads amperage on the optional clamp down to around 0.2 amps, with this you can quickly find high amperage components low voltage circuits. It has bailed me out so many times. Averages out amp and voltage readings you have a solid number to note. Can read proper voltage at the motor end of a VFD by filtering out the spikes and the ringing that can occur on long runs to the motor. It doesn't read 0.0 like FP DMM's while it auto ranges (that will kill you). Its ability to read peak, peak to peak gives me an idea of weather I need to go back for my for my O-scope on a bus. I'm never on a roof without my 87.
I feel confident when I use my 87v. I have several flukes. 112,117, 902fc, 376fc, I tried the others but the fluke does a few things great vs several things kinda ok.
Thanks Rick, always enjoy the video. Keep up good work! 👍
12:22 that’s a dry mouse on the starter cap 😂
He's sleeping 😁
@@HVACRSurvival ….for a long time 😅
Thanks for the video Rick! I've only worked on those fancy Trane Air Handlers a couple of times so any information is helpful! I get why the bad senor shut the unit down but I also don't like it when one cheap sensor can leave someone without air and/or heat. At least they had electric backup. Stay safe out there!
I hear ya, that electric heat is there for that reason. Plan for the worst and hope for the best👍👍
If I’m not mistaken, you can unplug the sensors at the board and that will make the EEV valve run in a limp mode. It will basically act like a fixed piston…until you can replace the sensors.
@@jasonsherrill729 from what Ted said earlier, your correct, I'll remember that for next time👍👍. Thanks for the info
Good job Rick, don't have to be an engineer, your good at all kinds things, your hands on.
Thanks man! I was a little slow but once I got the info I got it going😁
I see alot of those units and some things are easy to work on
Don't worry Rick, in a couple more years your company will get the chance to replace that system. It shouldn't be much longer before Ice buildup causes the ODU coil to get rammed up into the top housing sitting on the ground like that :-) Great video, Thanks!
😳🤣 sounds good RJ! thanks man!
As usual, I always learn something from you! Great work!
Thanks man!
I have seen a few of your generator videos, your definitely a sharp dude, subscribed! Keep up the great work!
Well thank you Kris! I really appreciate your support! 🤜🤛👍👍
I'm an automotive guy and pretty much exclusively back probe things, and use those exact probes. I sharpened my back probes to a fine point at the end so they more easily slip past weather pack seals on connectors. In my opinion those probes are also on the fat side so the sharpening really helps.
That's a good idea 💡 👍👍. Thanks!
Liquid electrical tape, if piercing the wire insulation.
I have molex plug tool to re pin a molex connector, those tiny connectors have to have something similar.
I had just bought two full sets of automotive style connection removal tools but I didn't want to chance damaging the plug. I only put the round plugs on the van.
Hate these units with a passion. Insult to injury when you crawl through the attic to find one of these and forget a Phillips bit/screwdriver to pop the coil door off. Do like the positive pressure design though, that’s kinda cool. Awesome video as usual!
Thanks bud!
Great job Rick! Trane has got to make everything difficult 😆
Dirty Trane👍👍🤣
Yeah they do. Especially with their commercial equipment. No tech support, some equipment manuals are available, some are not. They only want their techs to touch it. They are better than most though.
"Hard to stop a Trane. Even harder to get one going." LMAO!!! That's hilarious!!! Even better than my "Hard to stop a Trane, but not impossible."
🙌👍👍
Those sensors are notorious for failing. Those evap coils are also known to leak.
Thank you for the heads up I'll keep an eyeball out for the next one I see 👍
When the indoor coil inevitably leaks the oil will destroy those plastic panels and good luck getting Trane to warranty them
@@SlimPickinsXCIV won't matter because we're not a train dealer so we won't get warranty parts. They can call the people that installed it 😁
Great video with great details on the issues
Thanks for the feedback!
Good one Rick
Very good troubleshooting and awesome awesome tools as always Sir 👍.
Thanks Mr. Archer!
Yes I use tpins to backprob and put liquid electric tape on the wire when I'm done just like auto mechanic
Where do you get these units ? I though i was the only one who gets stuff like this . Love that liquid line drip! Yeah love the video thanks for making it . liked your theary on the capacitor makes sense.
Twenty year Telephone repair tech speaking here. Scotchlocks are designed for solid conductor wire only. We warned not to use on stranded wire or you will be going back on a repeat sooner or later.
That's great to know. Is there one that will work with stranded wire? I noticed they make larger ones that say they are rated for it?
@@HVACRSurvival The design is wrong for stranded wire. The metal fork cuts into the wire and spreads out the wire strands along with damaging the wire. They end up loose with intermittent connection problems. 3M should have left them with the telephone people.
They company I work for is a trane dealer we actually stop selling that air handler because we had nothing but trouble with sensors going bad and EEV stepper motors going bad nice design in the cabinet I like how the insulation is not exposed to the airstream but definitely some quality control issues going on at Trane we’re seeing them in their gas furnaces as well
Interesting 🤔👍👍. Thanks for sharing!
The test mode will only work in cooling mode.
These are fun!!!
As you said, get rid of Chuck and a truck and this system is terrific. It seems like a great system but we have so many of the 1/2 arsers, a great system is doomed from the start. Nice save from Trane parts mistake.
Thanks DFW!
I usually found trane equipment to be fairly decent, but I never liked those two compressor condensers. Great video as always.
I don't doubt they're good stuff, I just don't like the way they do things so different that you can't figure it out without the manual.
Oh I've had to help a tech replace the compressors in those. You have to take the entire coil off just to get to them easily enough. Such a mess. Glad they are gone, but Idk if the variable speed one is a better replacement. No longer in the field.
@@sprockkets I have replaced the low stage compressor without having to remove coil, but it probably would have taken the same amount of time if I had removed it. The variable speed compressors are just like any single stage compressor.
I would feel the same way working on other brands higher end stuff. That's basically the bulk of what I work on, they really are actually easy to work on. Just looks confusing at first. As long as the books there your good. Lol. Good job though.
Exactly correct! Basic other brands are easy but this propriety equipment is a learning curve. I got lucky and found the manuals on the side of the duct.
Ill take the biggest pos installed correctly, over the best installed by chuck
Bingo👍👍
What you can do with the coil temp sensor (orange) is unplug at the harness and the eev will go into a fail safe position. The board will flash 3 -4times I believe indicating sensor fault but will run. Trane always sends the wrong parts. Good find the sensors on the TAM cabinets suck.
Thanks for the info! I just read a comment from Ted telling me that as well 👍👍. Knowing is the 99 % of the battle.
@@HVACRSurvival I just read teds comment 😂 lol man don’t talk about his trane!
@@KoolinwithKrauss Ted's a cool guy👍👍. If all I serviced was mainly one brand, life would be easy like when I was at a Lennox dealer for most of my first 15 years, I could walk in and out of calls in under a hour. Now I'm doing everything under the sun as you see I'm a little over diversified🤪
@@HVACRSurvival dude you ain’t lying it would be nice to work with one brand specifically, unfortunately we have to figure out why the hell each manufacturer wants things done outside the realm of normalcy sometimes lol makes our days half way interesting other half frustrating (sometimes)
I wonder if some liquid electrical tape would do a suitable job of covering up pinholes left in the wires from testing?
It might! I would usually only use that tool on wires I couldn't get into. They are labeled for Low Voltage Only.
That's what they use in auto diagnostics where piercing is often the only option even under the car. You have to be careful with back probing as it can wedge a loose terminal and "fix" the problem till you remove the probe.
Oh and the faults that you saw and diagnosed on the air handler those faults would have been thrown during a cooling operation they have probably been sitting there blinking red for a while your board outside is going to throw stuff in the heat mode
Good to know! Thanks!. I haven't done much with this model. I worked on the same condenser unit at another job but I don't believe it had a EXV?
Just chiming in a year later because this came up in my feed again.
The indoor coil sensors have nothing to do with heat pump operation. The outdoor eev and low side pressure transducer and low side thermistor mounted by the compressor drive the eev through an outdoor eev board.
In cooling mode if you get an indoor coil sensor failure you can unplug both the sensors and it will drive the eev to contingency mode and cool fairly well until you get back ( unless the eev has failed or the strainer is clogged with crud)
I've worked for Trane Comfort Specialists for 20 plus years, and I can imagine what it must be like to walk up to one of these or a TAM9 with an XV20 variable speed compressor and you don't have the literature. YIKES... I find Trane to actually be very sensible and easy to diagnose once you understand the flow ,the system testing capabilities off the thermostat and you HAVE ACCESS TO THE SERVICE FACTS,and they're just as reliable as anyone else out there if not more,and we all know what that means. Great video!!!!!
Thanks man! It's no more high tech than a Carrier Infinity. Just like you said, if you haven't seen it before 😲 but if you know the sequence of operation it's going to be easier
Back probe lol, sounds like an alien encounter. Also, I’m not a fan of those GAM and TAM Trane units at all. In Florida in 2022 there was such a shortage of the EEV drive boards that Trane came out with a “work around”, which involve three earth magnets and manually opening the EEV. York makes an EEV magnet that is designed to manually open and close the EEV for brazing purposes to flow nitrogen
Cool, thanks for the info!
He never "found" that breaker box. You know he just called the owners.
I wish I would have had a phone number for them. 😁 It took 25 to 30 minutes to find it
Agreed the best equipment installed like $hit, gives you a big pile of $shit.... I'm a trane dealer, they have their issues same as others. The ONLY reason I continue to sell 'em is that Hyperion air handler. its not perfect however its defiantly a major step in the right direction. I've had lots of issues with thermistors on the early TAM7's..
Thanks for sharing! I like high tech but I have been transferring out of residential and I'm starting to fall behind on the newest Carriers. They all have problems. Like you said, proper install is King.
I was wondering if that EXV closes down and the system pumps down when it shuts down which as you know there would be very little pressure on the low side
What do you think I haven’t done residential in years
Thanks
I haven't ever seen that in residential AC equipment, at the most I've seen is a liquid solenoid to stop flow on shut down.
@@HVACRSurvival ok I was just wondering because man that was a lot of oil and those solder joints looked suspect as heck.
Man why don’t guys clean up the old oil spots a little degreaser goes a long way
Stay warm up there
Thanks for replying
So what brands do you prefer, I do not want to buy trane need recommendations
Most importantly is one that is installed correctly with pride. I like Carrier Infinity series the most until they are out of the 10 year warranty but even they can have some small problems. Rheem is ok, so is Lennox but they all have something about them that someone won't like. People like working on what they know best.
By code, there should not be water or water lines, within 3 feet of that breaker box???????
ok? I didn't put them there. My company didn't install this. This is a old farm house in the middle of no where.
Aww Rick did you make it out to ahr in Vegas?
I decided to goto Bryan Orrs School in Florida instead February 17-19, 2022
It's a good thing the manuals are accessible!
Looks like the person cooked the Schrader's.
Thanks again for the videos.
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Stay safe.
Retired (werk'n)keyboard super tech. Wear your safety glasses!
Just curious,why were all the labels and boards upside down. Was it made in Australia? LOL
Universal mounting, up flow, counter flow, horizonal.
You know how to stop a Trane? Apply power to it 🤣🤣🤣
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How old do you think this unit is??
I forget what the plate said but I would guess under 10 yrs
Was that a tam8?... Those units are very time consuming, not a fan.lol
Is that a Triplett 630 on the shelf behind you?
If you're talking about where I was talking to the camera in the office at the end, yes. I believe it's the 630, it's the original one from back in the '70s.i believe. It still works
@@HVACRSurvival Of course it still works. It's a Triplett! 👍🤩
Was built in Bluffton Ohio😉
Nice use of phone crimps
Do you mean pain in the rearend
Correct
Since you are not a Trane fan, what manufacture do you prefer for residential?
Most of my experience is on Lennox and Carrier but the majority is on Lennox. I'm not a Lennox fan any more ... all this equipment is garbage anymore. However Carrier Infinity has some pretty nice stuff. Believe it or not I have almost no problems out of the cheap Ducane equipment. Most of it boils down to technical support from the factory, good engineering and proper installation, if you miss any of those items, everything's going to be a disaster no matter what brand.
I prefer the equipment brand that is installed properly, by someone who cares, and is serviced regularly.
I agree
@@HVACRSurvival That's weird, since Ducane says on their web site they are Lennox. Ha.
This is why I hate it when people hate on Gree. Maybe it is deserved but so far I haven't read anything of substance bad about them on the HVAC forums.
@@sprockkets Allied Air owns Lennox, Ducane, Air Flow, AirEase, Armstrong, Concord and MagicPak. Like I mentioned before My first 15 years of my 26 we're running residential and commercial for a private Lennox Premier Dealer that also sold Carrier. Also worked for a Rheem dealer.
Hate plastic fantastic units.. so many issue with sensor and eev
Not a trane fan either
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Fix it
Like this guy better than the other hvacr videos guy on RUclips who always sounds like a sensitive liberal about to cry on everycall he’s on. Lol just my opinion of the different techs out there. I prefer survivals style!
LOL I really appreciate the compliment! I'm all about providing for yourself and personal responsibility. Thanks for watching and commenting!
I cringe when I see a TAM7 or TAM8 AH not cooling
I hope Ted does not see this video!
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I hate those model of trane units
Me Too!
Stupid customers buy high end equipement and dont change there filters on a Reg base...= neglect
the installer did a poor job also ...so sad ( 30 years hvac guy here ) and trane is kind of my favorite 👍
Plus u never never instal a heat pump direct on ground ice will build up during defrost mode 👎
Typical crazy crap we see. Really comes down to poor training
@@HVACRSurvival indeed btw love your aproach your a bitt negative 😂 but the tecknical is very good im certain to lurn watching your Pain 😅 take care and keep up the great work 👍🇨🇦
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I bet you all those different colored blinking lights added an extra thousand dollars to the cost of that system. Cost $.30 extra to install but after their profit margin markup.
Just like all the other brands😳🤦🏻