If you have an Nvidia GPU that Nvidia Broadcast supports you can do this locally. It strips noise just like this. ModernHam here on youtube has a video 'Using Noise Suppression AI on Ham Radio to Remove Static' showing how to do it with examples. He also shows other software if you do not have Nvidia
Thank you. Something seems kind of fishy here. I know this same tech can run locally. There is no need for internet/cloud processing. That's kind of silly at this point.
All, it is still a great endeavour that the gentleman has done. Plus it is experimentation on how to use ai systems to interpret signals and also reduce noise.
Thank you Colin, great Video as always, keep it up! Maybe you have encountered a term coined "listening fatigue" during extended periods of Radio operation like contests for example. With RM Noise the listening fatigue is significantly reduced.
Impressive, but personally I found the SSB less intelligible with the NR on, similar to my 991. It works great if there's already a good SNR but otherwise I prefer to switch it off. For CW though, it sounds fantastic.
Wow this is amazing.... If it's real time 100% then it rocks. I use my radio remotely... So this is so important for me to work in real time 😮. I will try it
it's fantastic, I use this all the time this will work brilliant with your noise down the road when you had the power lines noise :) it picks the weak contacts up like 5/5 fantastic.
Did you ever try the QRM Eliminator a.k.a. X-phase? It’s a little device that also does wonders to noise on lower bands and it works (offline) purely on the radio signals. I haven’t tried it yet myself but the reports I’ve seen make a good impression.
I put a lot of effort this year into building a stand-alone DSP audio device (running an M7 Arm and 16-bit ADAC) to process the audio output of my rig. Since I wrote the firmware myself, I can experiment with any algorithm I like. Currently I'm running custom spectrum noise reduction code, and it works quite well. Nonetheless, I'd be curious to know what method these guys are using. I'm not sure I like having to upload my signals to a server for processing, rather it would be nice if they released open source code so I can try running it on my device.
Exactly. This is a hobby. We are engaged in it because we like to learn more about it. We aren't consumers. We're not CBers. We're hobbyists and experimenters. Appliance radios and black-box software at remote locations hold little value and serve little purpose to someone like me who wants to learn about RF.
In a nutshell RM Noise is based on a AI model derived from the training of a neural network. The NN is being constantly trained with real audio samples. The client programs allows to capture and submit such audio samples which then will be used to train the model. This way RM Noise will get better over time as more samples make it into the AI model. At the same time we are also collecting QRM samples, like OTHR, PV systems, SMPSU, LED Lights etc. in order to mitigate these kinds of QRM. 73 Roland HB9VQQ
@@TheFattredd No, I have not posted my code or done a writeup, yet. But I do have a nice Fusion 360 model fly-through animation I made while working out the mechanical layout. I'll have to figure out how I can post it.
Not sure I understand? did you mean didnt test on signals buried in noise? It wont detect signals below the noise floor as I beleive but will make the difference to make the QSO or not.
I might just give this a whirl to see if I can receive ANYTHING in this very radio-noisy hole I live in! Dunno if you've seen it, or heard of it at all, but sota-antennas, followed by a "d-o-t" and then the letters "C", "O" and "M" has some nice configurable antenna designers with propagation patterns, VSWR curves, antenna currents diagrams and Smith charts, mainly for portable antennas, if you're into building your own antennas.
Hi Colin, it’s remarkable frankly what it does. I have seen a few people talking about it. there is actually quite a few ways to do this.but this looks the simplest. Thanks for the demo.
Every one keeps complaining about local man-made noise but not a single operator who has complained that I have talked to has even installed or tried a noise cancelling phase system? They work! The QRM won't fix itself?
It’s not bad but at times it’s quite unintelligible when the original was still sounding fine. Personally, I’m not a huge fan of internet-connected ham radio gear (and I’m saying that as a millennial) even though I am not a prepper or anything. I just think it’s magic to talk to people out of my own power with stuff I (at least partially) built myself. If you ever tried an Elecraft radio, their CW filters are really good and they can do pretty much the same on device what this AI model did. N7KOM has a short/video on his channel where he showed it off recently.
Thanks for excellent information again, Colin. In your point of view Colin, are there any drawbacks using this software? I mean, how much will it cost to upgrade a desktop computer in order to gain the best results?
Not many drawbacks, just a slight delay by the time the signal comes back. You dont need any sort of fancy PC. I had it running earlier on my ancent laptop. All the heavy lifting is done on the £4K server.
In time, yes. Remember it's free and and the amateur radio community and contributing by submitting audio samples to make it even better. Its not ready to go in a radio just yet.
lots of power.. but noise and hiss are part of the charm of radio ... either u are hearing it or not on radio waves. what's next a direct line to each ham?
... and you wonder what AI will be able to do next... Pull the SSB audio out of a noisy environment no human operator could ever distinguish. Speech recognition that "Repairs" the audio by guessing what half obliterated words probably were by the sounds and context. "You're 1 and 1 old man..."
Thanks Colin. Why can't it take out Council Worker noise?😂 Wouldn't it be awesome if this could finally be cleaned at a local location without internet but the filtering as crazy good.👍🤠
Does a good job. Still has that inherent digital loss that makes intelligibility of voice difficult, sort of the DMR effect. I think it's excellent on CW though and that is where it makes the most difference. I guess one positive effect is that it reduces or removes the hash noise that can cause ear fatigue over long periods of time. The TS590SG has pretty good noise reduction onboard, but it has that watery swishy sound whereas this RM noise software doesn't seem to have that at all.
That's ridiculous. It seems much more effective than DNR on any of my Yaesu radios. A liferaft to save us from ever increasing QRM. I shall have to have a go.
I see the fundamental value of ham radio as being able to communicate independent from outside systems. That's why I don't bother with any internet-linked systems. If I'm going to have to use the web for radio work I might as well just use the Internet and not bother with the radio. It's a shame they don't have a system that can operate independently, as it could give my ears a rest to switch from I to AI. Finally, this is a hobby I engage in to learn more about RF communications and its various aspects, the physics, the software. So where's the source code? I can't learn anything about digital noise elimination from remotely located black-box software that just makes me dependent on unknown outside systems. So why is it being done this way, and once everyone is getting everything processed this way will it still be free? This reminds me too much of the free worms on fishing hooks.
RM Noise is not an education program nor is it OSS. Neural Networks are well documented. Feel free to start your own project. It will be free a s long as volunteer radio amateurs like myself will carry the costs of purchasing the server hardware and the operational costs for the benefit of the entire community.
I agree and fell the same way it’ll be a matter of time that perhaps radios will have the tech included or in the least have it on our computers independent of off site servers.
I have been using a bhi DSP Compact inline device. To reduce received noise on my SSB communications. It is quite effective. I recently told someone at DXE that it is almost like cheating to pull weak stations out of the noise.
@MM0OPXAmateurRadio if you're questioning my comment, I merely said that improving reception is a great idea no matter how it is achieved. The Bhi unit that I use makes such an improvement for me and my ears. I think that the idea is to make a QSO and enjoy the DX or talking to a friend. So, using a multiple element beam would also improve your SNR, but location, space, or money might limit that choice, whereas enhancing the reception is the way to go.
If you have an Nvidia GPU that Nvidia Broadcast supports you can do this locally. It strips noise just like this. ModernHam here on youtube has a video 'Using Noise Suppression AI on Ham Radio to Remove Static' showing how to do it with examples. He also shows other software if you do not have Nvidia
exactly I use the Nvidia system nr broadcast and works OK. You can also use the amd nr software if using AMD gfx cards.
Thank you. Something seems kind of fishy here. I know this same tech can run locally. There is no need for internet/cloud processing. That's kind of silly at this point.
All, it is still a great endeavour that the gentleman has done. Plus it is experimentation on how to use ai systems to interpret signals and also reduce noise.
Thanks for showing this Colin, It works very well but I don't want to be tied to a computer.
G4GHB.
Me neither. When I'm portable its quiet anyway.
Very interesting indeed especially for the older HF radios…Thanks for sharing 73’s M3VWN
Yes, works with any radio as long as you can get audio out which you can with any radio one way ot another.
Thank you Colin, great Video as always, keep it up! Maybe you have encountered a term coined "listening fatigue" during extended periods of Radio operation like contests for example. With RM Noise the listening fatigue is significantly reduced.
100%, so much nicer on the ears.
The clarified signal; that's how quiet it was on the bands live in the 80s and 90s of the previous century :)
Us newbies missed the "golden years".
Impressive, but personally I found the SSB less intelligible with the NR on, similar to my 991. It works great if there's already a good SNR but otherwise I prefer to switch it off. For CW though, it sounds fantastic.
Its not a miracle cure and its not always needed. Its a very useful tool though.
Seems kind of like a snake oil cure. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but there's no reason to run something like this as a cloud based service.
It's a great bit of software I have been using it for a few months now. Keep up the vids Colin ,happy new yr
Thanks John, great to hear others using it. Happy new year when it comes.
Wow this is amazing.... If it's real time 100% then it rocks. I use my radio remotely... So this is so important for me to work in real time 😮. I will try it
No BS, 100% real
I just wish there was a local solution...
Baby steps, sure it will come in time.
Surely 😊
it's fantastic, I use this all the time this will work brilliant with your noise down the road when you had the power lines noise :) it picks the weak contacts up like 5/5 fantastic.
Great use case.
Did you ever try the QRM Eliminator a.k.a. X-phase? It’s a little device that also does wonders to noise on lower bands and it works (offline) purely on the radio signals. I haven’t tried it yet myself but the reports I’ve seen make a good impression.
They do get a good name but only good for 1 source of QRM if you have multiple sources then you need multiple units.
I put a lot of effort this year into building a stand-alone DSP audio device (running an M7 Arm and 16-bit ADAC) to process the audio output of my rig. Since I wrote the firmware myself, I can experiment with any algorithm I like. Currently I'm running custom spectrum noise reduction code, and it works quite well. Nonetheless, I'd be curious to know what method these guys are using.
I'm not sure I like having to upload my signals to a server for processing, rather it would be nice if they released open source code so I can try running it on my device.
Sounds impressive. I've no problem uploading RX signals as its being transmitted regardless. Yes a local solution would be preferable.
Exactly. This is a hobby. We are engaged in it because we like to learn more about it. We aren't consumers. We're not CBers. We're hobbyists and experimenters. Appliance radios and black-box software at remote locations hold little value and serve little purpose to someone like me who wants to learn about RF.
In a nutshell RM Noise is based on a AI model derived from the training of a neural network. The NN is being constantly trained with real audio samples. The client programs allows to capture and submit such audio samples which then will be used to train the model. This way RM Noise will get better over time as more samples make it into the AI model. At the same time we are also collecting QRM samples, like OTHR, PV systems, SMPSU, LED Lights etc. in order to mitigate these kinds of QRM. 73 Roland HB9VQQ
I'd love to hear more. Have you put together a writeup somewhere, or a github repo?
@@TheFattredd No, I have not posted my code or done a writeup, yet. But I do have a nice Fusion 360 model fly-through animation I made while working out the mechanical layout. I'll have to figure out how I can post it.
Impressive, especially if you can reduce the delay to a more practical figure.
Its about 0.25 seconds here and thats 11 hops.
Wonder why you did test on signals that were buried in noise?
Not sure I understand? did you mean didnt test on signals buried in noise? It wont detect signals below the noise floor as I beleive but will make the difference to make the QSO or not.
cheers Colin, the software really is great.
Absolutely, just need my packet loss issue resolved.
I might just give this a whirl to see if I can receive ANYTHING in this very radio-noisy hole I live in! Dunno if you've seen it, or heard of it at all, but sota-antennas, followed by a "d-o-t" and then the letters "C", "O" and "M" has some nice configurable antenna designers with propagation patterns, VSWR curves, antenna currents diagrams and Smith charts, mainly for portable antennas, if you're into building your own antennas.
Go for it, nothing to lose.
Hi Colin, it’s remarkable frankly what it does. I have seen a few people talking about it. there is actually quite a few ways to do this.but this looks the simplest. Thanks for the demo.
Very simple Chris, as long as you have a windows computer and internet.
I finally got mine working colin and it’s absolutely brilliant!
How hard was it to set up? Is there an idiots guide?
@@johnratcliffe6438 I’m rubbish with computers tbh and I managed no problem
Especially for low bands.
Wow!!! Could be a wee game changer this Colin
game changer? for what?
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@@dennis8019 improving quality of reception? My golf swing?
For us with cheaper end rigs especially.
@@dennis8019 for regular bowel movements (and QRM on 40). WTFV
Very impressive.
If it were April 1st, I'd think this was a hoax. Astonishing results! Matt 2E0LNS
Agree, but fortunately its real.
Every one keeps complaining about local man-made noise but not a single operator who has complained that I have talked to has even installed or tried a noise cancelling phase system? They work! The QRM won't fix itself?
I know a few that have tried one. Unfortunately if you have multiple sources then you need multiple noise phase cancelling systems.
It’s not bad but at times it’s quite unintelligible when the original was still sounding fine.
Personally, I’m not a huge fan of internet-connected ham radio gear (and I’m saying that as a millennial) even though I am not a prepper or anything. I just think it’s magic to talk to people out of my own power with stuff I (at least partially) built myself.
If you ever tried an Elecraft radio, their CW filters are really good and they can do pretty much the same on device what this AI model did. N7KOM has a short/video on his channel where he showed it off recently.
I agree to an extent. My love is field radio. Some of these clips didnt need it. Its a good tool to have if needed.
Sounds very similar to the noise reduction I get on my radio. Still, is very nice, and not saying anything to the contrary.
Thanks for excellent information again, Colin. In your point of view Colin, are there any drawbacks using this software? I mean, how much will it cost to upgrade a desktop computer in order to gain the best results?
Not many drawbacks, just a slight delay by the time the signal comes back. You dont need any sort of fancy PC. I had it running earlier on my ancent laptop. All the heavy lifting is done on the £4K server.
Nice. But needs to run locally on affordable hardware. Baby steps.
In time, yes. Remember it's free and and the amateur radio community and contributing by submitting audio samples to make it even better. Its not ready to go in a radio just yet.
Amazing. It is tiring listening to noise anyway whether it’s a signal in the noise or out of the noise. Whew boy. Take my money.
Yes, much nicer on the ears.
Be interesting to know how much computing power this takes on the server, and whether it will be possible one day to run this from within a rig...
lots of power.. but noise and hiss are part of the charm of radio ... either u are hearing it or not on radio waves. what's next a direct line to each ham?
The way technology is going, you never know. That would be my wish.
Not without propagation there isnt! Its a tool in the arsenal for those who want it.
The AI model runs on a Nvidia GeForce RTX 4090 GPU. Not something the average radio amateur has in his shack
... and you wonder what AI will be able to do next... Pull the SSB audio out of a noisy environment no human operator could ever distinguish. Speech recognition that "Repairs" the audio by guessing what half obliterated words probably were by the sounds and context. "You're 1 and 1 old man..."
Really surprised that the result is in fact not snake oil.
Nope, I wouldn't have made the video otherwise.
Thanks Colin. Why can't it take out Council Worker noise?😂
Wouldn't it be awesome if this could finally be cleaned at a local location without internet but the filtering as crazy good.👍🤠
if it was only that good! Yeah hopefully it can be done locally eventually.
If one needs an internet connection, it isn't radio.
Thats whats good about radio, we all like different things. If we didnt then there would be no innovation.
Seems there is no Linux support. Too bad, but Windows is not used by me.
Its been a 1 man show until recently so understandable.
Nice. Wondering if it is accessible for all amateurs globally?
Absolutely it is, give it a go.
Does a good job. Still has that inherent digital loss that makes intelligibility of voice difficult, sort of the DMR effect. I think it's excellent on CW though and that is where it makes the most difference. I guess one positive effect is that it reduces or removes the hash noise that can cause ear fatigue over long periods of time. The TS590SG has pretty good noise reduction onboard, but it has that watery swishy sound whereas this RM noise software doesn't seem to have that at all.
Yeah its not perfect. Agree its better than the Kenwood's.
I got Kenwood 590sg too ... I hate that watery sound ...
Yeah but still better then using DNR on my Yaesu 991a!
Why would this not work on FT8?
Its not been designed for FT8 but thats a completly different kettle of fish as its detecable below the noisefloor anyway.
Impressive difference between the sound bites with and without the noise reduction.
Its not miracle software but can make that importaint difference.
So, basically eliminating my Heil Pro 6 Elite headset! I like my Heil's. NT 73
Just plug them into your computer, Thats what I do.
BHI Will be very worried 😮
They are doing it locally which is one bonus. No internet required.
That's ridiculous. It seems much more effective than DNR on any of my Yaesu radios. A liferaft to save us from ever increasing QRM.
I shall have to have a go.
I think it will get better and better. You can upload a custom noise sample too for the AI to use.
@MM0OPXAmateurRadio I have got Station Master software a few weeks ago, but no real chance to use it. I shall give this a go.
Apologies the council are emptying the bins. Could that not be AI edited out?
I will let you have a go at doing that ;)
Impressive
Very...
I see the fundamental value of ham radio as being able to communicate independent from outside systems. That's why I don't bother with any internet-linked systems. If I'm going to have to use the web for radio work I might as well just use the Internet and not bother with the radio. It's a shame they don't have a system that can operate independently, as it could give my ears a rest to switch from I to AI. Finally, this is a hobby I engage in to learn more about RF communications and its various aspects, the physics, the software. So where's the source code? I can't learn anything about digital noise elimination from remotely located black-box software that just makes me dependent on unknown outside systems. So why is it being done this way, and once everyone is getting everything processed this way will it still be free? This reminds me too much of the free worms on fishing hooks.
RM Noise is not an education program nor is it OSS. Neural Networks are well documented. Feel free to start your own project. It will be free a s long as volunteer radio amateurs like myself will carry the costs of purchasing the server hardware and the operational costs for the benefit of the entire community.
I agree and fell the same way it’ll be a matter of time that perhaps radios will have the tech included or in the least have it on our computers independent of off site servers.
I have been using a bhi DSP Compact inline device. To reduce received noise on my SSB communications. It is quite effective. I recently told someone at DXE that it is almost like cheating to pull weak stations out of the noise.
Nonsense, We all do what we want to. Did he also say FT8 is cheating?
@MM0OPXAmateurRadio if you're questioning my comment, I merely said that improving reception is a great idea no matter how it is achieved. The Bhi unit that I use makes such an improvement for me and my ears. I think that the idea is to make a QSO and enjoy the DX or talking to a friend. So, using a multiple element beam would also improve your SNR, but location, space, or money might limit that choice, whereas enhancing the reception is the way to go.
Only runs on Windows -- too bad!
Yes, cant have everything unfortunately.
Won’t be long and the big 4 will have this internal capability
Hopefully.
ok ok this is really cool
for sure.
There was me thinking it was something to swat the idiots who disrupt the airways ? Ah well we can but hope.
Unfortunately not, if only.
Test
Roger roger, its working.
@@MM0OPXFieldRadio Funny man.