The Full Johan Norberg: Sweden’s “Socialism,” the Loneliness "Epidemic,” Degrowth and other Myths
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- Опубликовано: 22 апр 2024
- Lots of people hate capitalism. They want socialism instead.
They say capitalism hurts the poor. That's just not true.
Johan Norberg explains how capitalism saves lives and why socialism always fails.
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Swedish historian and author, Johan Norberg also dispels the myth that Sweden is a socialist success.
In many ways, Sweden is more free market than America.
Norberg explains the many benefits that capitalism offers - it even makes people less lonely, more generous, and less racist.
Here’s our full discussion on capitalism, the degrowth movement, “Scandinavian socialism” and more:
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This is what happens when our educational system doesn't even properly teach basic economics to students anymore...
Education is for people who can't learn.
Education is for getting a job and who is suppose to get you this job? Government is.
JOB = Journey Of Broke.
It never did.
To a large extent, the teachers don't understand "real" ecomomics. They just regurgitate what they've been indoctrinated with.
The capitalism vs socialism debate only shows how much economic ignorance exists in the public.
All by design by the failed union and government run education system. They want Indoctrinated serfs who will be dependent easily controlled activists instead of free thinking individuals who are independent and responsible.
The so-called "public" doesn't care to educate themselves... they'd much rather someone else tell them what they should believe.... after all, it's a free country 🙂.
@@genepope7498so true, that’s why I’ve learned a lot these past 3 years unlike everyone else
I've learned a few things about the people that want socialism. First, they do not really understand what it really is. Second, they are typically very lazy people that want something for nothing. Third, as soon as you ask them if they'd be willing to pay more for something so others can pay less, they immediately say "NO!". Truth is socialists are the greediest people on the face of the earth. When you want something for nothing you are the epitome of greedy.
...thanks to pubic screwools/gov't indoctrination.
John Stossel: I LIKE the longer format. There is SO MUCH to cover, and you did a brilliant job interviewing this genius.
My boss is from Calgary. One of the reasons he came to the U.S. was because of the socialized healthcare system in Canada. His aunt died while on a waiting list for a critical surgery.
Haha, and you dont think can happens in the US ? Dude that pretty commen the world over... Its not like shes the only one waiting for a organ, and she might not be the most important on the list im sorry to say.
@@bobbah676 Sorry to say, she didn’t need an organ. She was waiting months for a critically needed surgery.
Sorry to hear of that loss but I just have to say how about that idiot Jim Carey!? Had no idea he was an asshole and uneducated
@@pamcornelius9122don’t waste your time replying to stupid comments
@@bobbah676 Surgery doesn't mean organ transplant. Pay attention in class kid, you're on the left side of the bell curve.
"In capitalism, it's costly to be an idiot."
This one sentence perfectly explains why certain people clamor for socialism.
37:10
Succinct highlight of an excellent point
In communism we’re all idiots.
You’re right, ignorance is very, very expensive!
😂 yup! Funny cuz it's true 👍
I live in Canada and Jim Carrey is incorrect, some provinces in this country have up to 5 day wait times. our health care system is infact collapsing
You notice Jim Carrey still lives in the US
Jim Carey has absolutely NO IDEA what the healthcare system in Canada 🇨🇦 is like!
He’s been living in the States for YEARS!
He’s also an elitist who will get IMMEDIATE medical attention wherever he is.
All Comedians are communist (prophet of god) because the audience worship it for jokes to maintain happiness 😂
@@SteveXNYCGod is a sonovabitch, then ain't he. Basically a drug dealer.
Imagine having Stockholm syndrome to an entity that you thought up.
I waited 3 years for elective surgery, Jim Carrey is an idiot....
I have visited and lived in Israel for many years. When it was socialist / quasi-socialist, back in the 80s, most people were poor and struggling to get by. After years of economic reforms / liberalization, the country is (or at least was) one of the richest in the world, prior to October 7.
Could be there was no economic security during that time because Israel wasn't producing anything of note.
@@alexanderwhite298no as indian our government opened market in 1991 buf then also then didn't made law for businesses to invest because of their so called socialist idea that damaged my country more socialism is most disgusting idea
@@sb-bw4lp you don't have to make a law for business to invest or for people to invest it's their choice if they want to or not. India has never been socialist was controlled by religion then by foreign capitalism that caused more deaths because of famine, and still has an arbitrary class system.
@@alexanderwhite298 class system 🤡
"Israel's" wealth consists of aid from the United States, the UK, Germany and from the Rothschilds, without which "Israel" (Palestine) wouldn't exist.
My grandfather was the former economic minister of a Communist Country. When he arrived in the US as a refugee, and had academic freedom, he published numerous papers discussing the "demonstrable failures" of socialist economic models. He was as big a proponent of free markets as you'll find anywhere.
Who was your grandfather? That's an amazing fact of your life. I'm sure his publications are well worth reading and promoting.
The whole concept of profit is ONLY derived from the deliberate and forceful creation of a large working class.
Feudalism is to blame for that, however capitalism picked up that ball and ran amok with it.
The hierarchies of CAPITALISM are /\ pyramid shaped, while every NATURAL hierarchy of competence is a bell curve (IQ bell curve) with few at the top and bottom and the majority in the MIDDLE.
pyramid /\ hierarchies are ARTIFICIAL and integral to capitalism/profit, there has to be a very large base of low paid workers in a capitalist /\ hierarchy in order for profit to be generated.
Profit is NOT possible in a natural (bell curve) hierarchy because there aren't enough people at the bottom to skim labor value from.
Capitalism is immoral and unnatural.
interesting you people never mention sanctions, political assassinations or war, those things are responsible for the failures of communism.
but all YOU people do is lie and cheat.
@@Flux_40any evidence for your shape of curve superstition or just going on intuition
@@Flux_40 lol you're a bot.
Don’t apologize for longer interviews. Take whatever time it takes to explain the subject matter. We, who want to know we’ll take the time to listen,
Whatever the length of the interview.
Oh, I agree so much!
Stossel always annoyed me cause I enjoyed his content topics, but it was always less than 10 minutes. There are people who can listen to his conversations for over an hour. I'm a regular at watching podcasts even up to 3 hours while I'm doing things.
He’s one of the few I’d listen to for over an hour.
Every interview can be broken up for bullet points. I would watch this for another hour easy. Johan is very well spoken and what he has to say is super interesting.
Interviews should be like the chorus girl's skirt: short enough to be interesting but long enough to cover the subject.
If the intellectuals think socialism is so great, why is it that NO ONE risks their lives to move from the United States to China, Russia, North Korea, Cuba, etc?
China and Russia are actually better than the United States
More like "almost NO ONE" does it. Remember the U.S. soldier who escaped to North Korea? There are very few, but some Koreans & others smuggle themselves from Seoul-administered areas to Pyongyang's. But the trend is correct, so much more go the other way, to the point of Seoul having a specialized agency to help Pyongyang's citizens eager to become theirs.
@@N192K001 Well, there is always the occasional case of mental illness. Why would anyone choose to live in a society that has to force its own people to live there?
Because not even the intellectuals move to socialist countries. Socialism suks
They're are busy crafting it here.
Quite succesfully.
What do you think the CRT, Identity Theory and Critical Pedagogy ( i.e. Social emotional learning ) crap is ?
It's all Marxist methodology transplanted to the production of Social, knowledge and emotional CAPITAL. i.e. Schools, Universities and Churches.
Instead of the Magical economical good of Capital ( according to Marx anyway ) that produces more of itself and corrupts oppresses everything and anyone to justify itself...it's now Whiteness that oppresses everything non white. It's various identities (Sex,gender,health, ability [any ability] ) that now suppress everything else.
Yes all knowledge is inherently and totally corrupt. even 2 +2 = 4.
Literacy ( i.e. ) is not really Literacy, nono, that's an invention of the Evil that is society. True(tm) Literacy means viewing the world through a Marxist lens, i.e. A Marxist view of society and Power relations.
The goal is to produce unregulated people that know little skills or science but know how to Complain everything to death. i.e. Activists.
Canadian here. Took me THREE YEARS to get a doctor. I was on the government waiting list. They never ever did actually call me back. My mother happens to work in a doctors building and SHE put in a good word for me. That's how I got a doctor lol. The Canadian system is a joke. Thankfully I've been in very good health most of my life because I take care of myself. I know people who have suffered through the system far worse. Some of them eventually just went to the US for treatmenat. Sure it may have cost them a LOT of money but compared to dying while you wait......it's an easy choice to make.
As a Canadian, Jim Carrey was talking about decades ago…. I have no doctor and I am on a 2-6 year wait list
Welcome to the influx of the socialist part of Canada
Ah. Before the Canadian government ran out of other people's money. For example, the Albertan's oil money!
Yeah if we're talking about the 80s and 90s everything seemed better. He's not wrong I remember my mom just needing to get off the couch to go to the local rec center to plop down a $15 check to put me in a program for the summer. Now it's $105 to do one swim class for one child for ONE HOUR and they're fully booked for the entire summer within 5 minutes of the website opening. Everyone wants to talk about fast food workers when the idea of minimum wage comes up but when your local intro jobs like swim teacher can't afford to have an apartment in the area it affects everything. I live on the beach and we're having to ask for volunteer lifeguards. Long past are the days of a lifeguard having an intro style job living in a small 400 square foot apartment in the area. We don't have capitalism we have corporate socialism. And the money trickles up.
@@samanthaduggan9002exactly lol, socialism works fairly well until you inevitably run out of other peoples money, key word being inevitably.
Thomas Sowell would be a good interview. This Norberg interview should be mandatory for all Teachers, politicians and most importantly for all High School Students!
Forward it on to your family. I am.
Sowell is an academic fraud.
Is it just me, or does anyone else think it's funny to hear a Swedish guy using the expression, "going South"?
@@nyetzdyec3391 It's just you.
I was just thinking that this interview reminds me of Sowell, policies based on results instead of wishful thinking.
I lived in Sweden for 6 years. They wanted more healthcare options to pay more to get ahead of the queue. Or they just paid more to see a private doctor rather than wait. Friends complain about the bureaucracy and lack of choice. Capitalism and competition works!
Same in Canada. There is public healthcare, but most people also have private insurance (most companies offer it to entice you to work for them). Funny thing is that you go to the same hospitals, but those with private health care get the shorter lines and don't have to wait as long for appointments with special equipment (such as MRIs). Probably Jim Carey's family had private insurance and he didn't realize the difference because he was just a kid.
Capitalism “works” as long as the abuses remain in check. Too much “capital” in too few hands is an example of such an abuse. Allowing for fair competition, keeping regulations sensible, and eliminate insider loopholes which garner greater control of those in wealth and power
yeah, for those who control the supplies and demands. I aint buying this hogwash. the fewer get richer while everyone else get poorer. it is coming closer to monarchy bc they damn near own everything. they are the problem, not government systems bc our reps keep selling us out to the highest bidder to them.
@@Trip_Ts Why don't you look up a graph of the number of companies (of any size) that exist in the U.S. over the last 50 years. It might change your thinking.
@@genepope7498 lol, you reply to my comment before the tyrant delete it. now ask yourself why would they do that?
I'm 49 and watched John since I was 14. I find this longer format more appealing to my tastes.
Jim Carey has not had canadian health care in a long time. You cannot get a family doctor, you wait for hours in the hospital emergency rooms and clinics. Takes months and months to get a specialist which you need a referral first. Not everything is paid for either. Canadian health care system is broken.
"Free stuff" .......that's why the youth loves it. ...and the lazy.
Freedom is not free.
Free is not freedom.
I'm lazy and don't want socialism. All that free stuff has to be paid for someone. I like my 40 hours a week job. I don't want to have to work more.
@@ALeAnn365You’re working harder than most of these socialist
You don't know how correct you are. I grew up in Appalachia, where most receive some type of benefits. I now live near the ghetto and see the same.
Maybe some are lazy, they've always existed. But young adults today seem to be up against greater hurdles than "back in my day.". I think they just want some relief.
It’s like we’re playing economic musical chairs, but the music keeps stopping at the wrong ideas.
Because there's no business in the 'cure'. The longer problems can last, the longer the corrupt can cash in while feigning altruism.
Weird coincidence that all the bad ideas keep happening
Because socialism advocates exactly what politicians want: big gov, huge spending, society control.
Funny comment, I like
The socialist lockdown that happened during covid, that made loneliness dead quite, eat alone sleep alone did alone.
As a wildlife biologist, I can see that our natural ecosystems are being degraded by human activity. I used to think that capitalism was to blame. After I educated myself in economics, I realized that the real problem is rampant consumerism and single-use products, not capitalism itself. Corporate geed does play a role in the problem, but then so does poverty. And capitalism reduces poverty. What a conundrum! Great interview!
Great analysis. Most people are too clouded with ideology to see that it’s not all black and white and we shouldn’t believe what we think.
This should be required viewing in every college and university in America. Better yet... since not everyone chooses or is able to go to college... first show it in every high school and middle school, then reshow it to college students!
Milton Friedman: "Name for me a government that doesn't run on greed...." You can't because there isn't one. The difference is in who's greedy--those running the government, or those seeking their own interests. In capitalism, if you don't provide a good or service someone WANTS, you will NOT "get rich." In socialism/communism, if you don't provide goods or services people want, too bad, it becomes mandatory.
A persons greed is constrained by their productivity and is connected to the pain of production under a system of value exchange. Government greed is unrestrained, and isn't connected to anything to ground it from insanity - of course, this is to be expected, they are using violence as a first principle to garner resources.
Because government is the only supplier of some goods, their monopoly allows them to ignore consumers wants and desires as these are forced sales financed by taxes. In the US, our problem is that government is too large at all levels claiming monopolies where competition would accelerate the satisfying of more human wants and needs. Why is there a housing shortage? Why is there a shortage of medical care? Why are pharmaceuticals so expensive? Why are roads congested but demand for more vehicles so high? Why doesn't everyone want an electric vehicle?
@Peter89133 because bad means corrupt good intentions. You cannot extort people and not come to regret it eventually
The whole concept of profit is ONLY derived from the deliberate and forceful creation of a large working class.
Feudalism is to blame for that, however capitalism picked up that ball and ran amok with it.
The hierarchies of CAPITALISM are /\ pyramid shaped, while every NATURAL hierarchy of competence is a bell curve (IQ bell curve) with few at the top and bottom and the majority in the MIDDLE.
pyramid /\ hierarchies are ARTIFICIAL and integral to capitalism/profit, there has to be a very large base of low paid workers in a capitalist /\ hierarchy in order for profit to be generated.
Profit is NOT possible in a natural (bell curve) hierarchy because there aren't enough people at the bottom to skim labor value from.
Capitalism is immoral and unnatural.
@bomination. no, it's not.
Swedish socialism is like American capitalism, it’s not done very well. If only America was actually as capitalist as all these politicians say.
No kidding☝️👍
The whole country of America is just corporation based. Capitalism should be free trade based,USA has very little of that lately.
@@ouroboros_on_the_orange As a business owner (Healthcare) I fled Illinois for Florida. Things here are 60% better. That said, the "ProAct" is a direct threat to every doctor who works for our facility as all but one are 1099 (and at the end of the day, doctors are straight commission). The Fed is trying to hard to destroy everything but the largest of companies and unions.
They want a tenchocratic feudalism with their own slice of the soylent green "meat" pie.
the politicians are the very reason capitalism is failing in the US. they stopped enforcing the laws and take bribes from big monopolistic corporations.
@ 26:00 It is so true, I live in Thailand and Thai's find it strange when you "thank" them after you have bought something from them.
Keep the long form John. There's a reason why 3hr long podcast episodes are winning hearts and minds. You're an excellent interviewer; give your guests a platform to express their ideas and put them through the fire of critical thought.
Longer interviews are more difficult to make time for, but for ideas of this depth there is no good alternative. This is so important that people understand the situation. Thank you, Mr Stossel for using your time in this manner.
It's crazy to me coming from a family whose last 3 generations had to suffer through socialism, that so, so many my age are longing for these things that clearly do not, have never, and will never work.
It's absolutely baffling and sad to me. Socialism has cost anywhere between 120-200 million lives over the course of the 20th century...
Capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty in less than a century than in all of previous history combined.
How is my generation - millenials - and gen z so, so deranged?
I have no words honestly...
All it takes is infiltration of activists into every known institution. Slowly but surely they destroy the future of the country by corrupting the young.
10 million on average die every year for capitalism. Add it up and it becomes very large after a while.
@@alexanderwhite298 subjective, arbitrary nonsense
@@bbtruth2161 you can believe what you want, but to ignore evidence is to be foolish.
Well put
JOHN STOSSEL Thank you for having the courage to walk the path of truth.
SO MANY PEOPLE are CLUELESS about Socialism. Thank you JOHN STOSSEL for your tireless efforts to educate people about what it means to be critical thinkers and liberty minded.😎
John is not perfect here, so my best guess is. You are as clueless as the ones you describe.
Great summary Jon and great interview.
I'm a former Canadian as well and Jim Carey is delusional. Maybe when he was a teenager and had a cold he could easily get treatment, but as an adult when there are real stakes that's not the case at all. My family comes to the US when they have real medical conditions and pay out of pocket because the waits are too long in Canada and often Health Canada doesn't prescribe the best treatment to solve the problem but rather delivers a sustaining treatment that trades off quality of life for the most cost effective solution.
yeah, I wasn't looking at the video when he said that so I don't know if it was recently. so it's either an old video clip or he's remembering from long ago. but HE doesn't use the Canadian system.
Government services run on a budget. As a bureaucrat, if I spend more than budgeted I can go to jail. To get more money requires an act of congress. So I give lip service to providing better care to more people, but I manage to stay within my budget and save money where possible in order to spread minimal care to a larger patient base. And if I run short, I stop spending and some patients will not be seen, and some will get minimal care, and some will die because their "free" government care failed to meet professional standards of care.
As a Canadian, I think Jim Carey is out of touch. The level of care and wait times have sharply declined over the past decade. Because of our aging population and workers, we have significant shortages of workers with no relief in sight.
J Behar shut your trap
I wish we could start using "free market" in place of the word "capitalism". The free market is the real engine of prosperity. Literally thousands, if not millions of people competing to find better solutions to problems. That's where "the magic happens".
I agree. "Capitalism" is a pejorative coined by Karl Marx. We should not use their language. "Free Market" is the most accurate term and unfortunately we are a long ways off from "Free Markets" here in the US.
Capitalism also is source of prosperity. Capitalism is a productive system based on the accumulation of capital goods and assets.
Capitalism is a political economic system as a whole. A free market is a part of capitalism. Why run and hide from terminology? Why not educate what terms actually mean?
@@mikeb5372 "Capitalism" is a worked coined by Karl Marx to vilify free market economics, and it works. People don't understand the difference.
Socialism is synonymous with the coerced funding of the state. We should stop using the word capitalism to pretend it is in opposition of socialism, it is not. Both coerced and non-coerced societies will use capital or some form of value exchange.
So refreshing to see a real professional journalist reporting informative truth that lifts the general public out of the pit of ignorance. Thanks John!
I enjoyed this interview. Nice work and a very articulate, easy to listen to guest.
What a fantastic interview! My Canadian best friend's dad waited months to be seen for his prostate. Once finally examined, he was diagnosed with cancer. He had to wait months more in between follow up appts and died.
My boss’s aunt had a similar experience in Canada, also with a fatal outcome.
That's why canadians come to the US for healthcare. The wait times.
You know there is such a thing called a schedule.
@@alexanderwhite298 I work for an endodontist, so I understand scheduling. If you call my office for an emergency root canal due to acute pain, would you like me to schedule you six months out?
Here we are debating taxes as our money is being freely handed to the rest of the world. Talk about deaf, dumb and blind.
No. The nations(UN) made the USA into a God, so God can give nations power to defend itself.
@@SteveXNYC I don't think you're firing on all cylinders, SteveNYCautomotive..
@@theamerican7080keep playing the fool game is socialism.
@@SteveXNYC The UN does not have that kind of power.The American economy and culture did that.Hollywood,the music industry and many other factors project soft power.Must be nice to have such a simple view of the World!
More like it’s a money laundering scheme that the politicians said figured out long ago we would’ve known so much about it if it wasn’t for the dumb dumb in office and his piece of shit son that revealed it to all.
The competition element of capitalism is the true motivator, which inspires innovation, efficiency all under the the struggle to survive, struggle to make things better, which is exactly what is absent in state control
Who else agrees people that want the demise of capitalism simply have not figured out how to become wealthy in the capitalist system?
And they expect the government to provide them with a living.
- A person who grew up with wealth
Capitalism is great but equality is spiraling out of control and bringing on a new ruling class on everyone. Capitalism will eventually fail, the greed and exploitation is running rampant and leading us back to a fuedal era.
They've grown into a sense of entitlement. Hell, they won't even get a job, most of them.
That is me. I just worked hard untill I could not work again...market economy was never taught in my schools. Even in micro economics it was just supply , demand and opportunity pricing. Cap the CEO f each Corp. Obama tried but 400k cap was pitiful. 500 million would have worked.
How much has massive immigration contributed to the stressing of social programs in Sweden?
You beat me to it.
massively. they took in more migrants than any other European country per capita. they went from the safest country in Europe to the handgranate capital of the world.
It has destroyed the Swedish culture low crime rates and its civil society.
That's raYciss! Don't you know we are all the same?
In the USA, there has never been a time when immigration hasn't led to growth and prosperity. Even with our current flood of illegal immigrants and the temporary chaos it brings, the ultimate result should be greater prosperity. I'm guessing the same is true for Sweden (the home of some of my ancestors).
People are not being affected by capitalism, they are being hurt by Corporatism, which is closer to socialism than capitalism, as it is only possible when capitalism is corrupted by big governments allowing lobbyists to stifle any and all competition, and thus capitalism.
As usual problem is regulations and willingness to enforce those rules. Socialism overregulate and micromanage everything US have opposite problem big money are not regulated at all which periodically lead to bubbles and collapses, every new "scam" is allowed to run util few hundred billions vanish taxpayers get bill and suddenly politicians start creating laws (always with backdoors and holes) to calm masses. 2008 remember, now guess what they did before all that subprime nonsense started? Well repelled laws that was in place from previous crisis even great depression (most notably Glass-Steagle act) and allowed again banksters take the wheel and whole world felt the result.
Wow mind bending twists u do here sir... The hierarki that exist in Capitalism does not exist in a socialism... When every memeber or voter would have a say, in Capitalism we do not... or do you just use the word socialism before even reading about what it accully is about?
@@pse2020 apparently you don’t know how the Soviet government operated, because it was essentially an exceedingly corrupt hierarchy.
@@Ploxtifs_OldAndDeadAccountXD exactly... It was a dictatorship.. not socialism.. the pro Capitalist and anti socialist have deliberately connected both. Why do people not do the same for Capitalism i wonder? We now have people so rich its mindblowing.
@@pse2020 You would advocate for mob rules over individual rights? You seem confused and mired in contradictions.
Thank you John. Fantastic interview with a great guest.
This is must needed wisdom that needs more exposure.
Every Norberg interview I've seen or heard is amazing! Thanks John for bringing it to us!
This should be required in every school and university in the country.
What he stated isn’t true, what is the number one concern in Sweden? Críme and víolence was the topic that worried the highest share of Swedes in November 2023. The country has had increasing problems with rising gang violence (go ahead, guess why?).
@@GhostSal He is correct. Healthcare was one of the biggest topics in the election of 2022. Like he said, people are dying before they get treatment.
@@arnljot9030 Back in 2022, law and order was deemed the most important issue in Sweden. Sweden has seen increasing gang viølence in recent years. Healthcare was secondary…. (and that’s not how he made it sound)
@@GhostSal My comment was deleted. I linked a poll from novus.
@@arnljot9030 I’ve read research about this, and YT tends to delete a lot of comments (especially with links that lead away from YT).
Can a minimum wage afford a vehicle ? It was possible in 1970 , but impossible in 2024 . So I have to disagree with you about the wealth gap .
Socialism is not the answer . Less government is the way to go .
Democracy is not free
In 1986, when I was 16, it $3.35 and I only afforded a car because my dad bought me a $400 car.
Too much computers and junk mandated into cars.
@@sa3270 THE COMPUTER AND JUNK IS SOON TO BE TURN ON ,,, LIKE WHEN NOT TO DRIVE DAYS AND WHERE NOT TO GO AHIT .... LIKE OVER 15 MINUTES FORM YOUR JAILL
Less government is certainly the answer.
Thank goodness Johan Norberg is young. May he live a long and fruitful life educating us.
What a great interview. I spend a lot of time on the computer since I am retired and there is mostly junk on the TV. Normally I like the 20-minute snapshots, but when you have people like this or Victor D Hansen I could and will watch them for hours.
As a Canadian I have no Idea what part of Canada Jim Carey comes from but i have never heard of anyone going to the Hospital emergency room and not having a long wait. By the way I am 73 years old so where and when is he talking about . Medication is not completely paid for if if you pay into the government plan when you retire.
Hi im jim carrey. Come right on in sir. Can i have an autograph lol
Yeah it's all bs
The celebrity treatment.
Jim Carey is talking about his fantasy childish world
Socialism was best defined by Winston Churchill as "the equal sharing of misery" (except for the managers).
Churchill was drunken bastard. 😂😂
That's capitalism.
@@alexanderwhite298 Bravo Sierra! Back ton the economics books for you.. Capitalism rewards merit, innovation and hard work to acquire profits and wealth. Socialism, not much, because the lazy wind up at the bottom, dependent upon the government's redistribution of other peoples' money that they captured in the form of taxation. Troll away now!
@@RadmanBob have you've seen big corporate or are you living in a delusional world of your own making.
@@alexanderwhite298Lol. Capitalism is just "work for me and i give you money" "sure" how is that misery?
Great interview John! People like the longer format to dig deep and not a condensed version all the time. You’re doing great.
John Stossel's interview with Johan Norberg was one of the most stimulating interactions I've encountered recently. Much appreciated, gentlemen.
The lie about Canadian health care makes me sick. Our family doctor is retiring and my wife and I will be out a family doctor at 55 there was a two day waiting line for a new doctor who was taking patients. Let’s not even go into the 2.5 years over my cancer screaming and had someone not died from cancer I wouldn’t have got in.
😢
Sadly, post pandemic Americans are experiencing the same delays
i only ever hear americans say nice things about canadas health care. never canadians. all the hospitals in my city you can walk into an ER for any reason and be treated immediately. The ERs are empty cause there are so many private walk in clinics all over the place. like 4 or 5 within 10 minutes of my house in different directions. So not feeling good, minor injury they operate as urgent care centers and some have helipads to fly you to 1 the several area hospitals if it is a real emergency. Ambulances at all the fire substations for faster replies.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT. WITHOUT YOUR COMMENT THOSE IN OTHER COUNTRIES WOULD NOT KNOW. SAD TO HEAR YOUR OWN EXPERIENCES. KEEP TELLING PEOPLE OF YOUR OWN AND OTHERS' PLIGHTS
If leftist/socialist couldn’t lie, they wouldn’t have anything to say.
"She never paid for prescriptions!"
You always pay for everything. You just don't pay at the point of transaction.
Jim Carey's career arc has spanned being intentionally funny for children to being unintentionally funny for adults.
Ppl constantly confuse CHOOSING to be left alone vs being lonely.
This was an awesome interview. I never heard about Johan Norberg, good attitude. Im from neighboring country Finland, where we are also doing the same changes, and finally NATO, kick the russian influence in the butt.
Wealth is CREATED, it is not TAKEN, except in two cases: taxes or theft
Government does not add wealth to an economy, they subtract to it. All Socialism can create is misery, poverty, and death.
Inflation too
And socialism
@acctsys Inflation is driven by government taxes and government spending.
"Bad Governments, make bad inflation."
@@davidanttila9305 not exactly. Read economics my friend. Inflation is directly related with “money printing”. Without the government and banks ability to “create” money out of thin air inflation would be technically impossible.
A bunch of people who dont understand economics arguing about socialism vs. capitalism in the national argument. Economics isn't that difficult. "Wealth is created when those who know how to create it are free to do so." Thomas Sowell. Freedom= sound economical society. Socialism the opposite
In Norway, almost everybody that created big companies, employ thousands of people are obliged to flee to Switzerland because of the perverse taxation.. to avoid these, leaving Norway to stand on just one foot.
I worked in Denmark for years, 60% income tax, 25% purchase tax. Poor education system ( I was a teacher ) Poor primary health care. Nothing is free.
More like 44% income tax these days (since 2010 when the Right pressured the Left. Similarly the Left U-turned on open-door non-EU immigration).
Been watching this from afar for +60 years. Nowadays, living in Denmark.
@@Mrbobinge I left 2 years ago. The income tax was 60%. More recently I was advised by my pension company that I would be required to pay 60% on my pension. I am talking about national and local income tax. All my time in Dk was after the 2010 date you quoted.
@@SailingCartagena DK wife implies that taxes as one, are loosely called income tax (then TVA on what's left). Relatives are DK teachers. One of 'em wonders if, @60%, you'd been Minister of Education.
@@Mrbobinge I was based in Copenhagen. The national tax remains the same, based upon income, nationally. The local income tax is different for each commune. The poorer the commune, the more services they have to provide the higher the tax. Try working and pay less that I paid - good luck.
60% is roughly correct for marginal income tax above around DKK 600k (EUR 80k) if you include the 8% AM tax. The AM tax is similar to social security tax in the US in that it is applied to the gross earned income, not any other sources of income.There is also a cap of 52% not including AM tax if you live in an "expensive" commune. The cap in the 80s was like 73%! But then I think the AM tax was much smaller. But taxes are lower than the bad old days in the 70s-80s.
Jim Carey is totally wrong. Our Canadian health care has ALOT of issues and relies on the US system (non socialized medicine) at time for expertise and faster care. How ironic. This interview was great and he is correct.
I mean healthcare is great for every millionaire so I don’t know how he’d even know what average Canadians are dealing with 😂
Socialism when has it ever worked
Venezuela and nazi Germany
RUclips censorship is terrorist monster
.. so far never
It works only for a very short time, until they run out of other people's money. And then it all crashes.
Socialism can only theoretically function with a culturally uniform group with enough expertise spread between them to be self-sustaining. Basically they would all need to unanimously agree to go the socialistic route and have knowledge/skillsets to handle their own needs since monetary gain is effectively non-existent. As you scale it up to a larger pool of citizens, the variance between people (especially in America) goes up substantially which waters down any chance at cultural similarity and aptness of skills. The only group that even remotely comes to mind that some flavor of socialism might somewhat work with would be a close-knit & healthy family.
Thank you, so glad to have found you here on this platform. Was missing your voice in journalism and so glad for this opportunity to hear you once again. Keep going. You’re doing great, making progress, and your efforts are very much appreciated. 💚🌱🐢
What an interview. Can’t wait to show my daughters this interview in the future!
One of the best videos I have ever seen explains that capitalism is about giving and generosity and socialsm is about taking and greed.
100% freedom.and choice wins
Dangerous Topic John! You are my HERO!!!
He is a badass of idea exposición.
What he stated isn’t true, what is the number one concern in Sweden? Críme and víolence was the topic that worried the highest share of Swedes in November 2023. The country has had increasing problems with rising gang violence (go ahead, guess why?).
@@GhostSal Agreed, I lived in Stockholm & I left because of the the Bad Wrap that was on display via Black immigrants. Let it known that the Swedes are feeling the other side of the blade....
I love longer interviews where the interviewer and interviewee can really dive deep on a topic and get rich details. In the age of shorts and tiktok where creators just blast talking points and stop, long form content is perfect and really gets the mind going and gives me more to digest. Lex Friedman 4 hour long interviews are my favorite things to listen to. Deep dive conversations. Ty John for your work.
John, it’s not about the length of an interview, it’s about the subject matter that needs to be covered. There are plenty of long interviews and RUclips videos that blather on about nothing. This was perfect.
When will people get it through their heads that capitalism in principle works better than socialism....anytime.
Thank you Mr Stossel and Mr Norberg.
Zig Ziglar said it best. “You can get everything you want in life if you help enough people get what they want.”
Loved the interview man. Longer one hour interview where we can fully examine a topic are better. Deeper not wider
People are not oppressed by capitalism, they are oppressed by being denied access to capitalism.
Thanks for the interview!👍
With my 10 years of basic economic and political knowledge I could fix this entire system all while lowering taxes. Our politicians have to have similar Solutions but they're pretending to care and all while acting indifferent.
I really like the longer interviews. I would be interested in seeing you interview Thomas Sowell and Douglas Murray
As an swede i am proud to live i a country that has solidarity as an core opinion. The far right still want people to have free education and healtcare and the taxes are still relative to the US sky high. Often the taxes are differing a couple percent between the left and right. Around 30-35% in income tax depending on were you live and the sitting government etc. One of the only things that i would disagre with that he stated is that immegration is the biggest consern in sweden with large increase in gang violence related to immegration.
I know that this is an old video, but I needed to add my voice. I'm a Canadian. I have ALWAYS had to wait for everything with regards to our medical system. We do pay through some of the highest taxes in the world. My pay each week sends about 43% to the government in income tax. Then I pay another 13% on everything I buy. Fuel cost has almost a 3rd of it as tax. Home heating fuel has doubled because of the tax. Electricity has tripled because of the tax. Our food is the most expensive in ALL of the G7 nations' rankings. Yet for the amount of collect in taxes, Canada still has a health care system that ranks below many other nations. This ranks Canada as one of the most expensive countries to live in today. We have a drug crisis.
When he says "regional" health care in a country as small as Sweden, he's basically saying "Counties manage their own health care." Sweden is a nation of about 10 million people. We have cities with almost as many people.
One thing the Scandinavian countries have done is keep the capital gains taxes much lower than in the USA.
Marijuana (drugs) and Care(sex) for babies (democracy).
Jim Carrey clearly hasn’t been in Canada in decades. Our healthcare system is in tatters. Most people don’t have a family doctor.
What people don't do is account for the degradation of their systems over time. If you use government to force funding and force rules into a market place, you can, at first, get what seems to be some benefit - namely an influx of resources, but over time when you are using violence as a first principle to fund and enforce rules for any industry you will get inevitable corruption, so if you run both models of freedom and tyranny over time, freedom will lower cost and increase quality while tyranny will slowly stall and corrode whatever industry you're trying to regulate. And hint, tyranny is taxation.
One thing Stossel deserves credit for is showing the opposition's viewpoint in their own words - for instance you saw quite a few clips of socialists in this video which Norberg responded to. It's also common for Stossel to play devil's advocate in his interviews.
At least in Sweden you get something in return for the taxes you pay. If you add up all the myriad taxes we pay in the US and then consider that healthcare and education are not included, we are paying a higher effective tax rate than Swedes are.
I can see Javier Milei in this interview. Those exact same words have been told by Milei and that's why he won the presidency in Argentina.
I'm watching a 180° cultural change in real time and it's awesome. More so as I come from Venezuela, a country destroyed by socialism.
Public schools should have a curriculum based on John Stossel videos
The whole concept of profit is ONLY derived from the deliberate and forceful creation of a large working class.
Feudalism is to blame for that, however capitalism picked up that ball and ran amok with it.
The hierarchies of CAPITALISM are /\ pyramid shaped, while every NATURAL hierarchy of competence is a bell curve (IQ bell curve) with few at the top and bottom and the majority in the MIDDLE.
pyramid /\ hierarchies are ARTIFICIAL and integral to capitalism/profit, there has to be a very large base of low paid workers in a capitalist /\ hierarchy in order for profit to be generated.
Profit is NOT possible in a natural (bell curve) hierarchy because there aren't enough people at the bottom to skim labor value from.
Capitalism is immoral and unnatural.
And Thomas Sowell.
Whenever we say "should have" we mean we just want truth and commons sense, with no ulterior agendas.
@@Flux_40 I would like to see a split into 2 countries so you can have your socialism, and the smart people can retain capitalism. Nothing would satisfy me more than seeing idiots get what they think they want. Also nothing would be better, more efficient, or more therapeutic for the stupid, ignorant and clueless than to learn by their own experience whatever they are unwilling to learn from history.
I am growing more convinced by the day that socialism must be tried periodically to keep the memory of the misery fresh in the collective consciousness, because youth is arrogant and refuses to learn from the ready experience of the previous generations. So a dedicated run of socialism for those who want it, would be a great idea to hold, perhaps as often as is necessary, when enough of the current generation are clamoring for it. Let's give it to them, and let them see for themselves.
They feel too smart to listen to reason, and think they know better, therefore having the experience is in order.
One of your best interviews. 😊
This was a fantastic interview with a very educated, rational, insightful man. Stossel apologizes a little bit at the end because it was long. I watched the whole thing and I thought it was just the right amount of time.
So many times in interviews the person being interviewed just keeps repeating the same thing over and over again. This fellow mentions all kinds of different examples and comparisons that help bolster his philosophy. And his equally important, he backs up his presentation with scientific studies. That’s what a good sociologist does. He is basically saying, “Don’t just listen to me, here are the facts, here are the statistics, here is the proof in what I am trying to convey.”
the precondition for a "free market" is a captive population under the threat of death.
Financial profit is only derived from the deliberate and forceful creation of a large working class.
Feudalism is to blame for that, then the capitalist took advantage of that ready made class system.
without that foundational class system capitalism could not exist.
The hierarchies of feudalism and capitalism are pyramid shaped, while every natural hierarchy of competence is a bell curve (IQ bell curve) with few at the top and bottom and the majority in the middle.
Pyramid hierarchies are artificial and integral to capitalism/profit, there has to be a very large base of low paid workers in a capitalist hierarchy in order for profit to be generated.
Financial profit is not possible in a natural (bell curve) hierarchy because there aren't enough people at the bottom to skim labor value from.
Capitalism is not contrary to feudalism, capitalism is the lying rat that feudalism gave birth to.
Yes, I do enjoy the longer interviews.
Having more context to the conversation is a good thing.
I really enjoyed that interview, Mr. Stossel. Thank you!
Excellent! I so wish our Senators and Congress folks were one-tenth as wise as Johan is!
Merit, freedom, liberty................ the only only things that do work.
It's kind of ironic the guy clipped saying how great socialism is also has a channel about super car reviews, all while also telling his followers that the money they're sending him isn't enough for him to survive.
This was great. Listened to the whole thing. Thanks John.
Great Interview, great insides from this intelligent Swede
16:09 Here's an example of exactly what he is talking about.
In 1973 I was working in a well paying job with a major Multinational Corporation. At that time, my wife and I purchased a brand new car, albeit a very basic one. It had rubber floor mats, zero power amenities, i.e. steering, brakes, windows etc., no air conditioning, no cruise control, no radio, and it had a 4 speed manual transmission. I mean just entry level transportation with decent but certainly not exceptional fuel economy, That simple vehicle cost me 6 months salary and had a 1 year warranty.
TODAY people complain about how expensive new vehicles have become so let's compare.
In 2023 I purchased a brand new "Bottom of The Line" entry level vehicle. It came equipped with
Power Steering, Power Brakes, Power Windows, and Power Door Locks with remote entry.
Air Conditioning, Cruise Control, Tilt Steering Column, and Height Adjustable Driver's Seat.
It has Heated Front Seats that can fry your butt, along with a lovely leather wrapped steering wheel.
This vehicle has an Audio System that sounds amazing for an "Entry Level" unit, along with Wireless Apple Car Play and Android Auto which gives it exceptional Navigation Capabilities.
Of course it has Air Bags and Side Door Beams along with Anti-Lock Brakes and Stability Control. AND it has the absolute best Back-Up Camera display I've yet seen, (clear and bright even at night).
Although this vehicle does still have a Manual Transmission it is a 6 speed unit that is easy to shift and despite weighing nearly 50% more than the car we bought in 1973, it still delivers well over 60% better fuel economy. Oh. And did I mention it has a 5 year bumper to bumper warranty?
In short, this simple entry level vehicle would have been considered a luxury car back in 1973.
So what did this machine cost in 2023? Less than 5 months worth of "Retirement Income" versus 6 months worth of a decent salary back in 1973. Indeed it represents exactly what the gentleman is talking about in this video.
Obviously my vehicle is an anomaly in today's automotive marketplace BUT as a transportation device, it moves my butt from Point A to Point B just fine and in comfort.
Unfortunately, people have forgotten what a car was designed to be in the first place and they've moved from being transportation appliances into "Amusement Park Rides". Do we really need vehicles that can accelerate to 60 mph in less than 5 seconds and go around corners like a go cart? Is that fun? Sure I guess, but at a huge up front and long-term capital cost. Manufacturers have been driven to produce such contraptions based largely on the opinions of "Automotive Journalists", most of whom are "Wannabe Race Car Drivers". The majority of automotive consumers just don't care! In fact, many rarely or ever even look under the hood of their vehicles.
Obviously as the economy is heading south, people are starting to realize that perhaps they didn't need that gas guzzling Pickup Truck or a HellCat Charger to go grocery shopping.
A friend of mine once put it succinctly. It takes 2,000 pounds of vehicle to transport your body and another 2,000 pounds to transport your EGO!
in the 80's it was believed that cars would get smaller and more fuel efficient, they didn't bank on people being ego driven apes who wanted BIG vehicles as power symbols to make up for their low self esteem.
In general, people that I've encountered either are:
Winning in life and want capitalism.
Struggling in life and want socialism.
Which camp would you rather be in?
Yep, there are winners and losers in every system. I think a hybrid between capitalism and socialism would be a good step forward. Oh, and in continuation of your observation, I am not winning in life.
@@ArthurTheUnbrokenBlade What kind of hybrid system do you envision?
Johan Nordberg is awesome! Thanks for such a great interview!
Bravo for this interview, John! What is missing from good policy making is considering economic history. Instead political ideology takes over what has been proven or disproven to work. Please continue to make more content like this! I truly enjoy your ‘every person’ reasonable questions which brings reason to light!
James Lindsay. Listen to his talk at the European Parliament. One of the most important speeches of the decade.
My neighbor’s family is Canadian and his mother died during the 8 month wait to see a surgeon. No thanks.
John Stossel. One of the last true journalists we have in America
Swede here. It feels like he intentionally left out the part where Sweden essentially embraced corporatism (social corporatism/democratic corporatism, not to be confused with corporatocracy) in the 30s, 40s, 50s and 60s, which heavily contributed to Sweden's economic success and which is the main reason for our famed welfare state. This was a period of time where the state mediated between social groups to achieve class collaboration. This is also the period which is dubbed the "socialist paradise", a kind of inaccurate label but for other reasons than given in the video. But it was in the 70s and 80s when the very same group of people that created said 'corporatist' model decided to tear it down through uneccessary actions as mentioned by Norberg. Today both the left and right wishes to conserve the remaining parts of said period and bring back what was removed. Real unregulated capitalism have not existed in Sweden since the early 30s and before and can not be seen as having been part of our larger economic success after WW2.
Privatized pensions should scare people. Dad worked 28 years for NCR. When it was time to retire, somehow his pension lost 90% of its "value "
When did he retire? My dad worked for NCR for 25 years. His division was sold to Eurand America Pharmaceuticals, and one of the conditions of the sale was that they would still get their NCR pension on retirement. He still gets it, and at the expected value. Of course, he retired 25 years ago, so things could have changed.
I had an exchange student come to my house in America. I took her to the city and a homeless man followed her around mimicking her. She said their education is more advanced than American public schools. So I went to Sweden to see for myself and storefronts were booming with a lot of public transportation, sidewalks and trails. Swedish kids were unsupervised roaming the cities and suburbs. In America teenagers are trapped in the suburbs until they get a drivers license and American cities filled with crime.
Everyone likes to quote Ford about Capitalism, but they always forget the last clause.
"The dilemma of the modern Amercian Industrialist is to make the highest quality product at the lowest possible price, whole paying the worker the highest possible wage."
Folks lined up to work for his factories. It wasn't because he treated them so badly.
Excellent interview.
In 2020 we experienced the shut down of all small businesses (capitalism) and the supplemental funding from government (socialism) and it was the very environment that divided and disconnected communities and families. We became lonely for the first time