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Jool being radioactive ties in to a theory I have about laythe. *SPOILERS* (at least in ksp2) had multicellular life up until 1000 years ago. The reason for extinction is unknown. Perhaps a shift in the radiation belts of Jool bathed laythe in radiation?
This reminds me of the game Beyond the Chiron Gate, where if a world had complex life (or at least advanced enough to perform photosynthesys) in the recent past, oxygen would linger on the atmosphere for a while, before it got bound back into more complex molecules and absorbed by the ground. But I think KSP1 contradicts the idea of Laythe being lifeless. Comparing the technologies of both games (from starting with WW2 scientists to finishing with interstellar crewed flight and colonization), I don't think aside from player shenanigans more than 2 centuries have passed. In KSP1 there's evidence of complex life (the "whale" skeleton easter egg), and while erosion from winds amd water would eventually eat away at the carcass, with the bones being the least affected due to their resistance, I don't think without other organisms participating in the decomposition process, we wouldn't have such a complete skeleton in one game and nothing in the next, but some inbetween lump of uncannily fresh flesh and bone
@@Coolproko actually, there is still unicellular life in the heart lake. That’s a mystery too as to how it survived. My guess is panspermia since it’s a crater.
@@2dogplc how deep is the crater? If its significantly deeper than anywhere else, maybe radiation was unable to penetrate as effectively into the lifeforms living there
If the core were made out of Uranium 238, and only Uranium 238, it wouldn’t go critical because it can’t. Uranium 238 isn’t fissile. However, I imagine with this much uranium, and at these pressures, with a ratio of Uranium 235 to 238 similar to that found in naturally occurring uranium on Earth, it would go kaboom.
It would explain the colors perfectly too as many uranium compounds match the shades of greens found within Jool. Maybe gaseous uranium hexafluoride can rise into the upper atmosphere, break down and react with other gases to form green uranium oxides, chlorides, ammonia complexes, etc.
The inverse could also be possible, where Laythe has a higher than average uranium content and as a result is heated via radioactive decay. Fun fact this is the same reason why the Earth's interior is still so hot after slowly cooling down for 4.5 billion years.
Nope, the Earth's interior is so hot due to the pressure caused by all the matter around it, the immense pressure heats the core and mantle. It has nothing to do with radiation.
By mass, Jupiter's atmosphere is 76% hydrogen. If we assume the same to be with Jool, then if a uranium core goes critical, would the planet then essentially act as a colossal natural hydrogen bomb?
I doubt Jool is a giant nuclear reactor as like you said those elements are too rare... Laythe could have an extremely radioactive core though... this is thought to be why earth still has such an active interior after 4.5 billion years of cooling so its not impossible. plus the tidal heating and radiation belts could all come together too. might not be a single big cause but instead many small causes that all build up... it could also be that Laythe was recently very hot (maybe due to an impact or some other reason) and has been cooling down, we are just at the right time to see it in a habitable state before it cools further :3
What if the core wasnt uranium but a denser material and that the uranium is actually just a layer on the outside of the core allowing for a different geometry that wouldn't allow it to go critical as easily
@@danielmarchetti6052 i know about the kill zone, but if we slowly measure the temp while falling, we could predict most of the temp using some sort of calculations. All we need is a good heat shield and parachutes
@@Cringy_studios stratzenblitz (if that’s his name) managed to go past the kill zone in ksp1 using a landed state probe. just slap on a temperature sensor on it and this should work.
According to the wiki, Jool’s temperature ranges from about -150 to -50 degrees Celsius (not including past the kill sphere.) That disproves Jool having any kind of internal nuclear reaction of the scale discussed in the video. Sometimes I think people forget you can just Google these things. Still a neat theory though.
It's not the amount of uranium that would cause the issue, but the amount of what type of uranium isotope it was. Over time it could be possible for the U238 to sink leaving a shell of U235. If this were to occur under sufficient pressure then the U235 could become critical and start reacting. However, for the U235 to explode, it would have to become supercritical. This might occur as it heats up this might accelerate the process of separation. I'll go and check. Edit, I was wrong.
curious I just discovered your channel and I must say I love the fact you use a png for a persona but instead of some OC or something its just multiple pictures of you. its hilarious and I respect it
I wanna point something from another video, how much power/energy is a unit of power in KSP. A method used is reaction discs. In KSP, reaction weels are very powerful. by knowing the mass and energy consumed to spin the object, the only unknown is the efficiency of the weels (how much energy is wasted as thermal energy, ans even this point KSP kinda simulate heat/thermal energy) sry for my broken english but i think this can lead to impressive results Anyway pretty cool theories here, laythe surface temperature is something really wierd anyway
hello mr curious, love the videos, the notion that you can speculate to this degree really breathes some life into this game, feels kind of immersive and like a pioneer to consider the possibilities of these virtual worlds however, ive been playing ksp1 with the outer planets mod as well as a sub mod called minor planets expansion in minor planets expansion, one of the furthest bodies (and my favourite one of them all) is called Ervo, which is described to apparently posess a very thin tenuous atmosphere of oxygen, while also posessing massive lakes of liquid oxygen at the same time. im wondering if you could have a go at considering the plausibility of that mod's unique little situation, i think it'd be interesting even if its a deviation from vanilla ksp cheers
It does have a relatively thick atmosphere, and Kerbol is also casting light across the moon as Laythe orbits, so I think the heat does circulate enough. It could certainly be the case that one side is significantly warmer than the other, but you would need to run complex models to know for sure haha.
@al3xb0t2 brown dwarfs are not brown actually, the color is mostly the blackbody color of whatever surface temprature the body is, but when you enter the region of Y class brown dwarfs, which are not hot enough to glow in visible light, the color would be dictated by the chemical makeup of their atmosphere
There's a theory that guesses that they're photosynthesizers, this could help them to survive for long periods of time in space by feeding off of Kerbol's light
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Jool being radioactive ties in to a theory I have about laythe. *SPOILERS*
(at least in ksp2) had multicellular life up until 1000 years ago. The reason for extinction is unknown. Perhaps a shift in the radiation belts of Jool bathed laythe in radiation?
This reminds me of the game Beyond the Chiron Gate, where if a world had complex life (or at least advanced enough to perform photosynthesys) in the recent past, oxygen would linger on the atmosphere for a while, before it got bound back into more complex molecules and absorbed by the ground.
But I think KSP1 contradicts the idea of Laythe being lifeless. Comparing the technologies of both games (from starting with WW2 scientists to finishing with interstellar crewed flight and colonization), I don't think aside from player shenanigans more than 2 centuries have passed. In KSP1 there's evidence of complex life (the "whale" skeleton easter egg), and while erosion from winds amd water would eventually eat away at the carcass, with the bones being the least affected due to their resistance, I don't think without other organisms participating in the decomposition process, we wouldn't have such a complete skeleton in one game and nothing in the next, but some inbetween lump of uncannily fresh flesh and bone
is laythe having life canon?
@@Coolproko Yes, there is whale like bones on one of the islands.
@@Coolproko actually, there is still unicellular life in the heart lake. That’s a mystery too as to how it survived. My guess is panspermia since it’s a crater.
@@2dogplc how deep is the crater? If its significantly deeper than anywhere else, maybe radiation was unable to penetrate as effectively into the lifeforms living there
If the core were made out of Uranium 238, and only Uranium 238, it wouldn’t go critical because it can’t. Uranium 238 isn’t fissile. However, I imagine with this much uranium, and at these pressures, with a ratio of Uranium 235 to 238 similar to that found in naturally occurring uranium on Earth, it would go kaboom.
It would explain the colors perfectly too as many uranium compounds match the shades of greens found within Jool. Maybe gaseous uranium hexafluoride can rise into the upper atmosphere, break down and react with other gases to form green uranium oxides, chlorides, ammonia complexes, etc.
interesting idea
The inverse could also be possible, where Laythe has a higher than average uranium content and as a result is heated via radioactive decay. Fun fact this is the same reason why the Earth's interior is still so hot after slowly cooling down for 4.5 billion years.
you serious
edit: nm, it is partially true
you serious
Nope, the Earth's interior is so hot due to the pressure caused by all the matter around it, the immense pressure heats the core and mantle. It has nothing to do with radiation.
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I think it’s a combination of all. Tidal heating, high salt content and radiation.
By mass, Jupiter's atmosphere is 76% hydrogen. If we assume the same to be with Jool, then if a uranium core goes critical, would the planet then essentially act as a colossal natural hydrogen bomb?
I doubt Jool is a giant nuclear reactor as like you said those elements are too rare... Laythe could have an extremely radioactive core though... this is thought to be why earth still has such an active interior after 4.5 billion years of cooling so its not impossible. plus the tidal heating and radiation belts could all come together too. might not be a single big cause but instead many small causes that all build up... it could also be that Laythe was recently very hot (maybe due to an impact or some other reason) and has been cooling down, we are just at the right time to see it in a habitable state before it cools further :3
Nice dude I love it when you upload. :)
What if the core wasnt uranium but a denser material and that the uranium is actually just a layer on the outside of the core allowing for a different geometry that wouldn't allow it to go critical as easily
Video idea: could the space “kraken” really exist?
It does no joke
Can't we get the surface temp from plunging a probe into jool? i mean that should work...
Jool Is a gas giant yes we could do this in ksp2 becouse there Is a solid surface on jool but of we do this in ksp1 the probe would be destroyed
@@danielmarchetti6052 i know about the kill zone, but if we slowly measure the temp while falling, we could predict most of the temp using some sort of calculations. All we need is a good heat shield and parachutes
@@Cringy_studios stratzenblitz (if that’s his name) managed to go past the kill zone in ksp1 using a landed state probe. just slap on a temperature sensor on it and this should work.
@@Coolproko (yeah, stratzenblitz75 is his name) I agree! that could actually work! Now we just have to wait until Curious sees your comment.
According to the wiki, Jool’s temperature ranges from about -150 to -50 degrees Celsius (not including past the kill sphere.) That disproves Jool having any kind of internal nuclear reaction of the scale discussed in the video. Sometimes I think people forget you can just Google these things. Still a neat theory though.
It's not the amount of uranium that would cause the issue, but the amount of what type of uranium isotope it was. Over time it could be possible for the U238 to sink leaving a shell of U235. If this were to occur under sufficient pressure then the U235 could become critical and start reacting. However, for the U235 to explode, it would have to become supercritical. This might occur as it heats up this might accelerate the process of separation.
I'll go and check. Edit, I was wrong.
curious I just discovered your channel and I must say I love the fact you use a png for a persona but instead of some OC or something its just multiple pictures of you. its hilarious and I respect it
Thank you!!
Glad you finally got a sponsor but next time if you can put it at the very start or very end of the video. 👍
I wanna point something from another video, how much power/energy is a unit of power in KSP.
A method used is reaction discs. In KSP, reaction weels are very powerful. by knowing the mass and energy consumed to spin the object, the only unknown is the efficiency of the weels (how much energy is wasted as thermal energy, ans even this point KSP kinda simulate heat/thermal energy)
sry for my broken english but i think this can lead to impressive results
Anyway pretty cool theories here, laythe surface temperature is something really wierd anyway
kerbals could just be immortal
The poor crew of “Vall Rover” wasn’t so Invincible when their engines couldn’t slow them down on descent to the surface. ☹️
The crew of my arctic base return plane weren't immortal when it crashed :(
Immortal in age, probably..
Immortal but not invulnerable
hello mr curious, love the videos, the notion that you can speculate to this degree really breathes some life into this game, feels kind of immersive and like a pioneer to consider the possibilities of these virtual worlds
however, ive been playing ksp1 with the outer planets mod as well as a sub mod called minor planets expansion
in minor planets expansion, one of the furthest bodies (and my favourite one of them all) is called Ervo, which is described to apparently posess a very thin tenuous atmosphere of oxygen, while also posessing massive lakes of liquid oxygen at the same time. im wondering if you could have a go at considering the plausibility of that mod's unique little situation, i think it'd be interesting even if its a deviation from vanilla ksp
cheers
That is a very interesting case, and very fun to investigate. I will take a look!
Nuclear reactor implies fission reactions, not radioactive decay. Maybe edit your title to say RTG?
How about Jool ate a large asteroid/comet/moon recently, and the energy released is being radiated as heat?
Joules and Jool... 🤔
If jool is heating Laythe the shouldn’t it be an eyeball moon? Since only one side is getting heated due to tidal locking.
It does have a relatively thick atmosphere, and Kerbol is also casting light across the moon as Laythe orbits, so I think the heat does circulate enough. It could certainly be the case that one side is significantly warmer than the other, but you would need to run complex models to know for sure haha.
Wait, I am late for a video for the second time in a row. I think i need to check YT more frequently
Infinite energy for us!!!!!!
Does laythe even have liquid water
why your old videos were so quiet.
What do you mean?
What if Joel is a small star? The planets in Ksp are so dense, it might be possible
It’s green tho, and Jool clearly does not glow.
@@sciencengaming9049 hmmmm
@@sciencengaming9049 Jool might be a brown dwarf and they do emit heat but may not glow so it might be possible
@@lolermosskoss1834 but its green
@al3xb0t2 brown dwarfs are not brown actually, the color is mostly the blackbody color of whatever surface temprature the body is, but when you enter the region of Y class brown dwarfs, which are not hot enough to glow in visible light, the color would be dictated by the chemical makeup of their atmosphere
ok what
we have why is jool green, but why are kerbals green?
There's a theory that guesses that they're photosynthesizers, this could help them to survive for long periods of time in space by feeding off of Kerbol's light
Hmm... I wonder why
Lay the is radioactive?
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