Even after taking out Sauron, they kept the fight scene in but they digitally replaced Sauron with a troll, and at one point in the fight the troll has Aragorn pinned down with his foot and Aragorn stabs him, which makes perfect sense given that the troll was originally Sauron, since it’s a callback to when Fingolfin stabbed Morgoth in the foot during their duel in The Silmarillion.
@@mikehatz3942 To be fair, unlike in the movie, Sauron did have a physical body for at least a few hundred years by that point in the books, BUT it definitely still wouldn't have jived with the books because 1) there's zero mention of Sauron directly participating in the Battle of the Morannon, and 2) Sauron is far too tactical and cunning to take so huge a risk as taking part in a battle that would have been easily won without him when his power was so greatly lessened due to not having possession of the Ring. It would make much more sense for him to sit it out considering the armies of Men were so vastly outnumbered and absolutely would have lost overwhelmingly were it not for Frodo and Sam, something that Sauron new nothing of (and in fact, he actually believed that Aragorn had the Ring because it was the only thing that made sense to him as to why Aragorn would do something so reckless as to directly challenge Sauron's vast army at Mordor, which was exactly what Aragorn was counting on and Sauron fell for it hook, line, and sinker).
Fingolfin was a badass and would have wiped the floor with Sauron so of course he had to fight the real dark lord. Fingolfin was such a badass that Thorondor rescued his body after the duel. Some of the most hardcore elves are in the Silmarillion.
As cool as this is, taking it out was the wise decision. The point of this battle is distracting Sauron because Frodo and Sam are the only real hope. Giving Aragorn a 1v1 with Sauron would have destroyed the key Tolkien themes of friendship and the strength of the "little folk"
And seeing Sauron on the battlefield takes away some of the threat. It’s like the shark in Jaws; it was way more intimidating because we didn’t see much of it. Sauron standing there fighting with a sword is less threatening that the disembodied eye watching in the distance.
@Lamina Sapida in the books he actually is in a physical form during the entire trilogy. Gollum mentions to Frodo and Sam that he has a missing finger (thanks to Isildur)
Not really, because it is still distracting Sauron, and we know he cannot be killed unless the ring is destroyed. At the time, he didn't realise that Frodo and Sam, were about to pull a sneaky one on him, so with that in mind, the stakes are very much there. As far as Sauron was concerned, he is immortal, and the object that would restore him to unimaginable power was within arms reach, he couldn't lose, he would take the ring in his own hand, and with it, Middle Earth. And it was that belief that he couldn't lose, that Aragorn was fighting not to win, but to lose, that a King would sacrifice himself was beyond Saurons understanding of the world. The moment he worked out what had happened, it utterly destroyed his world view. Having watched through a lens of hatred pain, and desire for the only type of power he knew, he had never been able ot rationalise, to conceptualise that outcome. Eveyrthing Sauron beleived he knew to be fundamentally true of the World, Greed, anger, suffering, war, domination... he learnt that he was wrong, and that is why he lost. Which is exaclty why the Eye was perfect. The VFX team managed to convey pure terror and torture in the eye of Sauron. As much fun as it is imagining him on the battlefield at the end, the scene we got was perfect
@@thesenate3728 Sauron' s body is not immortal...It can be killed in a way...That had already happened twice...First time was when Numenor vanished and second time was during the siege of Barad-dur...Isildur was not the one that killed him...Sauron was actually killed by the combined attacks of Gil Galad and Elendil...Both of them were also killed during that battle...Isildur just cut the finger from the dead body of Sauron in order to claim the ring for himself...The real nemesis and the biggest fear of Sauron is actually King Elessar, that' s why he tries to destroy Minas Tirith before Aragorn' s arrival...He is so eager to prevent Aragorn' s coronation, that he fails to spot the hobbits in his own territory...Aragorn is the decentant of Elendil and the last one of the Numenorian King' s bloodline...Sauron hates and fears the Numenorians cause they have stopped him twice in the past and their ancestors was the humans that fought against his master (Melkor) during the War of Wrath...Bearing all those in mind, a 1v1 between Aragorn and Sauron would be very interesting...Sauron might be a powerful Mayar, but Aragorn is a powerful half-elven, who also carries Mayar blood from Melian, the mother of Luthien...Luthien was the grandmother of Elwing, the mother of Elrond and Elros...Elros was the first king of Numenor and the ancestor of Aragorn...
Aragorn seeing a vision of Sauron would have been fine. When he first sees him in this clip, I think he may well have seen him as Annatar, a form he can no longer take. That would have had a certain power and resonance to it and could have symbolised Sauron trying to appeal to Aragorn's vanity - 'You can think of yourself as a peer to me now, join me...' kind of thing. Totally agree with all the comments suggesting the idea of Sauron himself on the battlefield would have been a writing disaster. Glad they took it out as it would have just been absurd.
One point I see brought up often is that it changes the meaning of "For Frodo." In the actual cut, it kind of means, "let's fight this infinite army of orcs as long as we can to buy him time." If Sauron is there, a character who the audience knows to be immortal, and powerful beyond bounds, then it changes the line to Aragorn saying, "fuck, we're all definitely going to die.... let's die fighting for Frodo." Its the same reason they cut the Mouth of Sauron in the theatrical cut; the Fellowship receiving the Mithril shirt would basically be saying, "all these heroes are collectively committing to a suicidal final battle because they know they've already lost the War for Middle-Earth." Sauron taking form on the battlefield moments later would cement that, and it would take away the character focus of those final scenes, which is really about Frodo and the Ring's final steps.
@@FASynergy I agree but they rode all that way… might as well die a glorious death as opposed to a cowardice one right? I know they aren’t Vikings but they were proud to March for a chance at victory. I doubt they would have just packed up and marched back home only to be slaughtered or enslaved later.
I completly agree. They could leave this image of Annatar in the movie, it looks great! Indeed Sauron should not take physical form. Such scenes in this particular case look not well...
This is probably where JJ Abrams got the idea a force ghost could catch a light saber being thrown into a fire. Good directors cut this kind of cringey stuff out.
Sauron directly confronting Aragon would be stupid. The whole point is that Sauron had doubts. His chief Nazgul defeated. Narsil reforged. The Heir of Isindul marching at the Black Gate. Remember, at the beginning of the trilogy we see him fight only because his armies were loosing. The Black Tower had been under siege for years before he decided to fight in person. Now, Sauron is watching everything from the Black Tower. His minions are way numerous than the opponents, compared to the 2nd era battle, and he's instead way way weaker w/o the Ring. He waited for years before intervening, in the 2nd era, and didn't go well, and he probably has learned his lesson. He's even more prudent now, and he thinks Aragorn has the Ring. To step into the field at the beginning of the battle, outside the Black Gate, w/o seeing first how it goes with his vastly superior army, would be so stupid and out of character for him.
Not to mention if Sauron was actually there the whole army would have been wasted in a second ring or not with the exception of Gandalf holding his own for a while.
also keep in mind the original baddie Morgoth behaved the same way. He had never known fear until Ungolioth tried to kill him, ever since he's been a huge pussy. Pretty much only leaving his stronghold when Fingolfin challenged him to single combat, and even then he was terrified. He only accepted because it would make him look weak. The same could have potentially happened in lotr if Aragorn challenged him to single combat, but not really having a physical body at this time it wasn't really possible.
I mean Sauron had returned and had a body by that time. The threat of returning from his "eye form" is purely movie stuff. But yeah they had fucked up already with the eye thing so it would have been hard to find an excuse to use his actual body during the final scene.
This made me think about how the entire first half of the Silmarillion can be summarized with: "Somehow Melkor returned and he's still on his bullshit" And the second half being: "Ehem btw, that Annatar guy was Sauron, and he's somehow returning and is planning to get back on his bullshit"
By the start of the Lord of the Rings, Sauron had physical form. He just never left Barad-Dur until he regained his full strength, and of course the One Ring.
I really agree that put Sauron in his phisical body in the end would be quite out of place, because we already saw him fighting in the beginning of the first film. The thing i desagree is that the director delected also the angelical form of Sauron when this part surely would be epic to see. Not to Aragorn fight it, but just to show how he is really something else like "Man, you're not just fighting a monster eye covered in flame. You're fighting a divine creature. Something that already existed before the creation of this world.".
I agree. Have Sauron's angelic form just show up, sneer at them creepily or something, then vanish. Would have given Sauron a bit more presence and as you said, emphasize how he is something else entirely.
"But Sauron was not of mortal flesh, and though he was robbed now of that shape in which he had wrought so great an evil, so that he could never again appear fair to the eyes of Men, yet his spirit arose out of the deep and passed as a shadow and a black wind over the sea, and came back to Middle-earth and to Mordor that was his home." The Silmarillion IV Akallabêth
Wow. While it is certainly good this was cut out, what it makes even more powerfull is 1) Aragorn's "For Frodo!", and 2) Merry and Pippin running directly after him. I mean, it is really heroic and noble the way it is depicted in the final movie, but having Sauron himself stand there and those little hobbits charging at him with a cry and no hesitation whatsoever is way beyond incredibly brave!
They could have made the presence be more like an after image that vanishes when they clashed swords with the army, meaning that every single soldier there was representing his will, now that i see this, i think it was a lost chance. Trilogy is a masterpiece tho.
@@NaCl-ty Sauron lost his ability to take form when he was defeated by the last alliance. It makes no sense for him to be there. And if he could, he still wouldn't fight unless he really had to. As far as he knew Aragorn had the ring and was bringing it straight to him. The small army that marched into Mordor would easily be defeated and Sauron could just take the ring.
@@Bzorlan He could still take form just not that form. He lost the ability to take that form when he convinced the Numenoreans to attack Valinor and wreck themselves. I know I am spoiling the Rings of Power, but that's how the Second Age ends.
@@dixievfd55 he couldn't take his fair form after numenor was destroyed but I thought he couldn't take any form without the ring after that? I'm about 1/4 into the silmarillion. Feanor has just arrived back in middle earth.
I like that they took the battle with Sauron out, and the explanation for why they did it is great. This moment isn’t about Aragorn facing the enemy face to face, is about all of them fighting impossible odds just to be a distraction for Frodo to accomplish his mission. Is about facing certain doom just for the hope that Goodness succeeds in the end.
Personally, I feel the same way about Dain massacring some of Thranduil's elves before Azog's army showed up making it into the finished 'Hobbit' film. Nevermind the film portraying Thorin's successor as that bloodthirsty, racist lunatic and expecting it to be in any way reassuring!
@@ecthox-1mork909 The elves are portrayed as the highest and wisest beings, morally the best, and they are portrayed as varying degrees of 'racist' against just about every other kind of humanoid being. Tolkien did not have modern far left trash values or believe in racism (as a concept, including that such a thing was bad or unnatural) as such.
@@HockeyNationHD actually Tolkien was a strong leftist, he held many of what you consider "far left trash values." He was a strong anti-war leftist and was openly and VERY vocally anti-conservative, and anti-racist.
I always wondered about that part where Aragorn is almost killed by a troll during the final fight with Sauron's army. It seemed like a strange choice to have this badass warrior we've seen do so much during the three movies almost get killed by a single random troll, but knowing that that troll replaced Sauron's physical form he was originally supposed to be fighting makes that scene make so much more sense. I totally agree with the choice to remove Sauron from that battle, though.
Would be completely normal, remember how they struggled to defeat the one in Moria, then you get Legolas solo kill an oliphant+10 warrios at least. then went from normal strenght to p2w mmorpg players
Would be completely normal, remember how they struggled to defeat the one in Moria, then you get Legolas solo kill an oliphant+10 warrios at least. then went from normal strenght to p2w mmorpg players
@@archi4226 Sure, it's not strange from a practical standpoint since Aragron is not Superman. I meant that it's strange from the standpoint of the story to have the returned king of Gondor, who's now established as a superhuman Numenorean and wields Elendil's reforged blade, almost die at the hands of some random mook even if that mook is a huge troll. It's the same thing as if a huge flaming rock that exploded from Mount Doom fell on him and flattened him out of nowhere. It's logical to assume he wouldn't survive that, but it'd still be a strange choice story-wise.
The amazing part of the whole LOTR trilogy is the evil forces including Sauron could not tell the four hobbits apart while the audience who has been very acquainted with them can.
I’m glad they didn’t. But I think having Sauron appear as a beautiful angel of light and then vanishing just before the battle begins would have been creepy.
I think this would have been out of place, even though it would make my inner geek squeal to see Aragorn duel Sauron. But also the theatrical version of Aragorn fighting a giant cave troll didn't feel right too. I think the perfect middle ground would have been to have him fight the Mouth of Sauron/ the Black Lieutenant. It would be much more fitting and more in line with the book, and still satisfying for those who want to see Aragorn fight a more worthy opponent. He is a physical representation of Sauron's will, and essentially his avatar whilst he is a disembodied spirit. Also the MoS is of the same race of people as Aragorn, but got corrupted by Sauron, so it's like Aragorn would be fighting a dark reflection of himself. Of course they would have to beef up the appearance of the MoS, so he would look like a credible threat to Aragorn - like he'd have to be 7 feet tall with heavy armour. I can see it now, with the Mouth coming out like in the original scene but he is big and imposing, looking like the dark Lord himself. He taunts the group about Frodo's supposed death, and Aragorn steps forward and threatens him, but doesn't kill him. The MoS calls forth the army of orcs, and they surround Aragorn's smaller army. We see the MoS laughing cruelly, as he knows they will crush this feeble resistance in one swoop, and Sauron's victory will be assured. Aragorn has his "for Frodo" moment and they charge against the orcs. In the midst of the fighting Aragorn meets the MoS and they begin duelling intensely. It seems like Aragorn will gain the upper hand, however the sheer numbers of orcs overwhelms them and Aragorn is attacked from behind, giving the MoS the opportunity to punish Aragorn knocking him to the ground. It seems the MoS will finish Aragorn, but Aragorn manages to hold him off long enough until Frodo destroys the Ring. As the eye of Sauron implodes, the MoS is distracted for a moment giving Aragorn the chance to behead him.
Or what if they has Sauron take on the rest ofbthe Fellowship as well? Could be a team effort to battle him with everyone doing what they can to distract him. It could be a fight scene in which Sauron is shown taking some hits (indicating he's not a 100% yet without the ring) but is still strong enough to push around whenever he gets a chance to attack
Aragorn seeing Sauron in The Two Towers and challenging him with the Palantir would've been cool in theaters though. I think it would've hyped us up in a moment when the movie was losing just a bit of its momentum, during the Faramir bit IMO.
As ridiculous of a writing Katastrophe this would have been It just sounds so unbelievably awesome Also l could totally see Sauron thinking Oh well l have won anyway might as well have some fun and jump in
I would no have minded this, if he appeared as he did for the first few seconds all angelic and then in the armor.. then, when Aragorn charges, the light flashes again, this time red and firey. Sauron then disappears from the battlefield, and we realize it was just a vision of Sauron. Without the Ring, he cannot take physical form. The red light flashes again atop the tower and the Eye looks down on the battle in front of the Black Gate. Something along those lines would have worked, I think.
Aragorn needed this. As it stands, the peak of his arc is Two Towers, that's really his movie, not Return of the King. RotK feels lacking in great Aragorn moments compared to the first two. If they had only had this, the battle here could have been epic. They should remaster the original footage of the REAL Sauron they shot.
They did a good job of depicting Sauron's "Mairon" form. He's actually scarier that way because he looks like an entity that could make you burst into flames just by staring at you.
😅I always thought the armored troll-like monster fight with Aragorn felt a little out of place. Like how the cave troll was ragdolling them but Aragorn was now able to completely block the armored troll’s downward slash despite its insane mass. I can understand why they probably took this out. My guess is that they may have felt it may have been a bit confusing for the general public. Because the whole point of this trilogy’s journey is to destroy the ring so Sauron CAN’T become powerful enough to return. But he just returns and starts battling Aragorn in a physical form anyway? So does he need the ring or not? Has he built up enough power over the years to the point he no longer needs the ring? The way I see it is Sauron is projecting a shadow of himself. It’s pretty much a physical form, but it’s not his full strength. That’s still stored in the ring. That’s also why Aragorn can block his attacks and hold his own. Because it’s not Sauron’s full strength( also may have a little to do with Aragorn wielding the sword that originally defeated him). The whole point of this charge is to divert Sauron’s attention away from Mount Doom so Frodo and Sam can have a chance to slip in and finally destroy it. But the only way this obviously incredibly outnumbered army can be even a half decent diversion is A: Sauron somehow deems them as an actual threat to him and/or B: he thinks the key to his victory is within that army. This whole plan is based on the idea of “it’s just crazy enough to work”. Sauron feels no one’s that crazy as to just roll up on the front door of the equivalent of Satan’s right hand and say “what’s up pussy!We’re here to kill you! Come out and fight us bitch!”😂😂 The only reason in his mind that the idea would even be entertained is if they have the one ring and are planning to wield it against him. So it checks point A and B! So he just goes down in his weakened form to stomp out this pitiful army and get his full strength back as quickly as possible. Because there’s literally no way these people would DARE to come here WITHOUT the ring! He also probably wants a rematch on Isildur’s heir and the special sword that stopped him the first time.
If you want to really know why they decided to cut sauron from the battle I highly recommand that you watch the making of. It is absolutely insane, kind of a second trilogy in my opinion and really interesting. To give you a little bit of an answer I can tell you that they wanted to stick to Tolkien’s version.
The thing is, canonically he DID have a physical form at this time. He'd regained a physical form long before it, actually. He needed the ring to achieve his full power, not to achieve physical form. At this point in the story, he has a physical form, but he can not take on fair form, and he only has nine fingers.
As awesome as Sauron was in physical form he was even better in the way they released it, a mysterious presence over there above all that remains mysterious throughout. Doing it the way they do in the above clip also takes it away from the hobbits on Mt Doom.
I have mixed emotions. On one hand, having Sauron project a physical version of himself to challenge Aragorn, would have been pretty badass, all things considered. Along with Aragorn and the Hobbits charging to face him, it gave me chills - in a good way. He could exist in multiple forms and maybe even in multiple places at once, so it's not inconceivable to me he mustered enough power to squash Aragorn personally, for good. His visage would have been terrifying, and he would have known that. Aragorn showing the courage to face him and battle him, would have been chilling. On the other hand, it's not in the books and would have felt a bit off. Though I truly love the notion of throwing yourself at insurmountable odds, or an overwhelming specter of evil, and making the ultimate sacrifice, but the final version of the film was satisfying enough.
Yeah this would not have worked, but if I have one problem outside of it it’s that I think all these films would have benefited from one more physical threat with a face. Specifically for Aragorn. Let me explain, Sauron, and Saruman are both schemers and the rest are just faceless orcs. I wish they had kept lurtz (the orc who killed boromir alive) until this moment it would have been cool to see the fellowship face off with a foe they knew and had a vendetta against in the end and not just legions of faceless monsters. Movie still rocks though.
Always felt like they could have done some retcon where sauron might not be able to directly control but can empower certain nazguls with his own power, which would have also explained more why the witch king was so much stronger suddenly and could defeat Gandalf in the movie. Could have even had sauron using his eye to make the nazgul appear as himself to try and throw Aragorn off, with the illusion breaking with the ring being destroyed, and when Aragorn stabs the nazgul after it actually dies since sauron and his magic is dead
It’s simple said : Tolkien was a genius on characters and how + when to introduce them. The nazgul were extremely powerful beings when they were needed. The witch-king‘s part on Gondor which was cut out would have been EPIC if they adapted 100% from the book there though. For me the witch-king wasn’t as powerful as in the books. Even hearing his loud cries to power up the destruction of Gondor‘s Doors was pure goosebumps, in the movies it was just him destroying gandalfs staff and boom he’s gone.
@@OrdinaryApprentice99 they had to tone down everyone unfortunately. Witch king should have been a lot stronger, but so should Gandalf, and Gandalf should have still won the fight or at the very least had it end in a draw before the witch king flies off to the fields during the charge. From the perspective of just the movies, it makes no sense why Gandalf was able to fight all of the nazgul at once at night, but after he comes back as the white and is even stronger, he gets defeated by one of them during the day, and they give no explanation. I know movies have to adapt and shorten the story from books, but some of the stuff they chose to take out or ignore make no sense and just leave massive plot holes. Still a fantastic trilogy and one of if not the best trilogies of all time, but it’s like watching judges all give 10s and the last gives a 9. It’s still amazing and probably as close to perfect as possible, but it just needed that last little extra. The books are perfect, and even taking out a lot of stuff, I can’t help but think if they were just a little more accurate to power levels of characters like Gandalf, witch king, Saruman, and the elves, as well as include Elrond’s sons in the movie, it would have been the perfect adaption. Completely agree it’s the greatest adaption ever, but just missed that perfect mark
@@sgttoasterface5282 The last one will also give a 10 because that person will consider their budgets and everything. They made this trilogy with a disgustingly tight schedule and to top it all off, VERY very early CGI and VFX usage. (with early i mean early 2000s)
I learned that Sauron makes a final appearance after the ring is destroyed. He screams out as a massive dark force reaching out in despair. It would have been fun to have seen it that way.
Yes! A massive black shadow that reaches out its hand and is swept away by the wind was Tolkien's final description of Sauron as he is defeated and destroyed. That would have been an incredible visual for the film and it's disappointing that they didn't do that.
This scene was removed for 3 reasons: The scene itself strayed too far from Tolkien's text. Showing Sauron in physical form contradicted what was established in the movies, where it was mentioned that he could not take physical form unless he obtained the One Ring again. Sauron and Aragorn's fight played down Frodo's mission, since according to what was filmed, during the fight, Aragorn managed to stab Sauron with Elendil's sword at the same time that the ring melted in the lava. , which implied that both Aragorn and Frodo defeated Sauron.
Honestly I would love them to put this in an extended edition to where you can choose if you want this in the final scene or not. Cuz personally I wouldn't make as much sense story wise, I would love to see a version of the fight between them two. You know like fully finished and all that
Im glad they did go that road. As much as this might sound cool at a fan level it is wrong for so many reasons. First Sauron cannot take a physical form anymore, he lost that ability at the end of the 2nd age, he could not appear that way as the Nazgul did. Then it cheapens the real effort of Sam & Frodo and the courage of the little folks as Tolkien intended. Finally just for conversation purposes, lets Sauron did indeed show up for a fight, as weak as Sauron is without the ring he is still far more powerful than anyone in the 3rd age and would have completely destroyed Aragorn and most of the army without even trying. Sauron is a Maîa just like Gandalf and Saruman but not just any Maia he was the greatest Maïa, chieftain of Aulë's people. While he is about at 1/2 of his power compared to when holding the Ring he was able to defeat the likes of Gil-Galad and Elendil. So Aragorn can just take a walk According to ICE which use to be the official Middle-Earth Roleplaying game Aragorn is level 36 at the end of the 3rd age and Sauron is still level 180 down from 360 with the ring. Just saying!
@@66alex6699 'For coming out of the wastes of the East he (Sauron) took up his abode in the south of the forest , and slowly he grew & took shape again;' (The Silmarillion, 'Of the Rings of Power & The Third Age') 'True, alas, is our guess. This is not one of the Úlairi (Ringwraiths), as many have long supposed. It is Sauron himself who has taken shape again and now grows apace' (The Silmarillion, 'Of the Rings of Power & The Third Age') 'I myself dared to pass the doors of the Necromancer in Dol Guldur, and secretly explored his ways, and found thus that our fears were true: he was none other than Sauron, our Enemy of old, at length taking shape and power again.' (The Fellowship of the Ring, Book 2, Ch 2, The Council of Elrond) ''Yes, He has only four (fingers) on the Black Hand, but they are enough,’ said Gollum shuddering.' (The Two Towers, Book 4, Ch3, The Black Gate is Closed)
Lol - If you look at the first cut away at 00:00, there is a Rohirrim warrior in the 2nd on the left with a chain mail cowl, he is my brother and he is wearing glasses. The only person in middle earth with glasses.
You know the movies aren’t cannon right? And a lot of shit that happens in the movies doesn’t happen in the book at all or happen at totally different points in the story.
@@RadicalW0lf I agree tbf, wouldn’t make sense for Sauron to put himself out there in such a vulnerable position especially considering the men are holding their last stand & was under the impression Aragon had the ring.
I know it’s better to be replaced with a troll, but heck I couldn’t help but let out an “OH NO OH FUCK OH SHIT!!!” When ma boe Sauron came into the battlefield
Would be cool if they left that first flash of sauron in, the fighting would be weird but seeing that vision of sauron breifly before the fight looked cool and the edit looked pretty cool how it quickly flashed his fair firm
One of the few things I think was a big mistake was not making Elendil & Gil-Galad's injury of Sauron known; but not having Aragorn fight Sauron was good. though having him appeal to Aragorn as Annatar could have worked
good idea not putting him in and deleting it, i prefer the idea of the main enemy is hidden at all time, he is an enigma but yet everyone know who he is and he should be feared. i like the idea of this man with such power is hidden away plotting in his tower making the world go crazy.
Why not both? Something like Aragorn fights Sauron first then after a while, Gandalf notices that Aragorn is having difficulty fighting Sauron, so he steps in to help.
That would've been epic, on a cinematic as well as a personal level. For context, in the lore it's stated that when the Valar sent the Wizards to Middle Earth to combat Sauron's influence, Gandalf initially was reluctant to go cause he felt he wasn't anywhere near strong enough to oppose someone like Sauron, and so wouldn't be any help against him. Having Gandalf confront Sauron face to face would've been a testament to how far he had come and how much more stronger he was. However, it also would've gone against the inherent message of the story, which was believing in the strength of mankind and the little guy. Having someone who's essentially an Angelic being be the one to finish the Dark Lord would've been counterintuitive to that.
I’m going to be the odd man out on this one and say I wish they kept it in (I know I know, it’s not in the book, but let me explain). Barad dur was Sauron’s home base and much of his power was stored there. It would make sense that maybe only within a certain distance within Barad Dur that he could take physical form. This would explain why he wants/needs the ring so that he can take physical form ANYWHERE as well as have all of his complete power. As someone else noted here, it also s doesn’t make sense to fight a cave troll because of the strength differences. On a character development note for Pippin and Merry, the first interaction with a force of the enemy (namely the ringwraiths) in the Fellowship of the Ring resulted in the two hobbits being shoved aside in terror, but here they have developed the strength and courage and love to follow Aragorn in defense of Frodo against Sauron himself. This also would be a nod to Aragron’s power that he is able to fight Sauron as his ancestor did and showcases his own strength and courage of the Numenor race.
I really wish they included this scene in the movies. I have seen many comments that say “This scene would have ruined the dynamic of the scene and/or it doesn’t make sense” and while I understand where they are coming from, I kind of disagree. Here is why: The first argument I see a lot is that “Him returning doesn’t make sense because he needs the ring to do that”. While I understand your point, we have to remember that this is the movies, and not the books. The movies have already made changes to the story, so this wouldn’t be too crazy. Plus, earlier we here Saruman say “All he needs is the ring to return to his full strength.” In a different scene, he says “He cannot yet obtain physical form”. This implies that Sauron (in the movies) doesn’t need the ring to have a body again The second main argument I see is “Sauron fighting Aragorn is dumb because the Ring is what is important”. Again, I totally understand this, but I don’t see why Sauron returning is a problem. If anything, it heightens the need to destroy the ring cause now, “Oh shit he has a body again!” For me, this just adds more intensity overall. Plus, we can’t argue that seeing Anatar in the flesh would have been sick. I mean come on, this is the body Sauron used to make the rings!!! This is just my personal opinion, and I wanted to share it :)
I am happy they didn’t keep this in the live for the sake of sticking to the story. But fighting Sauron’s physical form head-on in a sword fight is absolutely something Aragorn would not hesitate to do. Even if Sauron defeated Aragorn, it would likely be his most difficult fight he was ever involved in.
1:33 I absolutely love this part We’ve seen Aragorn using his Dunedain strength, bracing that spear against a cave troll, tossing Gimli then holding onto a rope with one hand and Gimli in the other, etc, And Sauron, his mailed fist like wrapped in his cloak(?) just *backhands* this upstart wannabe king of men, first once, then again and just that half assed blow sends Aragorn, Elessar, heir to the Throne of the Free People of Middle-Earth, who has a body count of hundreds, sprawling and staggering backwards desperately, trying to escape the wrath of a living god more powerful than anything else currently standing on the planet Imagine how Gandalf would have felt if this had actually happened…seeing the being he feared so badly, even while standing in Valinor, unleashed on the field of battle about to kill Middle-Earth’s last heir of Gondor’s kings
I can understand Jackson getting caught up in wanting to portray part of Morgoth's story with Fingolfin because it's so bad ass but I totally respect his decision to remain faithful to The Return of the King.
In the books Sauron didn’t lose his body, but was weakened and was sometimes described in 9 fingers The movies depicted him losing his body, but over time gained power Enough power to dim The light in the world and made his servants strong in day hours So it’s not impossible for him to gain a rudimentary form as he would want to personally deal with Aragorn
Maybe they could've had him taking on the whole Fellowship in the battle. Could even show him taking some hits from the team as a result of not being at full power, but still strong enough to keep knocking them down when they attack him
Is it just me or does it seem like sauron almost hypnotizes aragorn, when he looks back at everyone he has a sinister look and then gandalf waives his hand like he is cleansing the spell.
Omg 😱 that was sooo cool! I mean like what just happened?! It made it seem as though Aragorn was momentarily possessed by Sauron’s spirit (that’s just me) in order to trick him into killing the orcs. But then again, it was also more likely that he appeared a few seconds before Aragorn turned n said for Frodo. I really hope I am not misreading or hallucinating something here, coz that video was awesome 👏!!!
Jackson explained that Aragorn fighting Sauron would overshadow the deeds of Frodo and Sam, whom he wanted to depict as main heroes, which we all have to agree would be kinda hard to achieve if Aragorn would fought Sauron himself. Missed opportunity indeed, but understandable.
I don’t think this is a deleted scene. This looks a lot more like it is stitched together from multiple scenes from the different lotr movies. Not cool to falsely advertise as deleted. Just say what it it. People will still look, but then they won’t be misled either. 🤷♀️especially when this isn’t in the books and Peter Jackson was being as TRUE TO THE BOOKS as he could. He is one of the only directors to do so.
Parece montagem de vídeos na cena da luta de Aragorn e Sauron, ficou meia boca, acho q foi fã que editou esse vídeo, não foi nada de cena deletada kkkkk
True, In The Return of The King Merry was still healing from his wounds after trying to stab the Witch King, he had wanted to go with them to the Black Gate but Aragorn had told him " 'You are not fit for such a journey,' said Aragorn 'But do not be ashamed. If you do no more in this war, you have already earned great honor. Peregrin shall go and represent the Shirefolk; and do not begrudge him his chance of peril, for though he has done as well as his fortune allowed him, he has yet to match your deed. But in truth all are now endanger. Though it may be our part to find a bitter end before the gate of Mordor, if we do so, then you will come also to a last stand, either here or wherever the black tide overtakes you, Farewell!' " The Lord of The Rings: the Return of The King: Chapter 9 'The Last Debate'
If Peter Jackson had actually decided to go in this direction (very good call that he didn’t for a plethora of reasons), how would it have played out? Would the Eye of Sauron have beamed out of Barad-Dur to take his physical form on the battlefield? Or would the Eye just stay there, but cast a projection of Sauron’s physical form, sort of like Avatar?
Sauron is not an eye. Rather, the eye is actually a projection. In the cut scene from the second or third film, there is a moment when Aragorn uses a palantir and there for a second or two you can see Sauron in physical form holding another palantir just as he held the ring at the beginning of the first film. I think an eye would just remain on the tower while Sauron fought Aragorn.
Really wish they had cleaned this up a little and used it for one of the games. It would have really fit in well; hell, with the setting we could have had different results based on what character the player uses, imagine Merry or Pippin managing to beat Sauron.
@@nicolaimadsen7036 he means that instead of cutting his head, she should have fought him în battle. În The books he also didn't kill mouth of sauron. Aragon only insulted him and told him to leave, which he did.
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Even after taking out Sauron, they kept the fight scene in but they digitally replaced Sauron with a troll, and at one point in the fight the troll has Aragorn pinned down with his foot and Aragorn stabs him, which makes perfect sense given that the troll was originally Sauron, since it’s a callback to when Fingolfin stabbed Morgoth in the foot during their duel in The Silmarillion.
Exactly. I'm glad they changed the scene. Having Aragorn fight Sauron would have been too big a deviation for me and most fans of the source material.
@@mikehatz3942 To be fair, unlike in the movie, Sauron did have a physical body for at least a few hundred years by that point in the books, BUT it definitely still wouldn't have jived with the books because 1) there's zero mention of Sauron directly participating in the Battle of the Morannon, and 2) Sauron is far too tactical and cunning to take so huge a risk as taking part in a battle that would have been easily won without him when his power was so greatly lessened due to not having possession of the Ring. It would make much more sense for him to sit it out considering the armies of Men were so vastly outnumbered and absolutely would have lost overwhelmingly were it not for Frodo and Sam, something that Sauron new nothing of (and in fact, he actually believed that Aragorn had the Ring because it was the only thing that made sense to him as to why Aragorn would do something so reckless as to directly challenge Sauron's vast army at Mordor, which was exactly what Aragorn was counting on and Sauron fell for it hook, line, and sinker).
Fingolfin was a badass and would have wiped the floor with Sauron so of course he had to fight the real dark lord. Fingolfin was such a badass that Thorondor rescued his body after the duel. Some of the most hardcore elves are in the Silmarillion.
Which is accurate, Sauron is a big troll
I love this community because some of my brothers love this kind of stuff LOL
As cool as this is, taking it out was the wise decision. The point of this battle is distracting Sauron because Frodo and Sam are the only real hope. Giving Aragorn a 1v1 with Sauron would have destroyed the key Tolkien themes of friendship and the strength of the "little folk"
And seeing Sauron on the battlefield takes away some of the threat. It’s like the shark in Jaws; it was way more intimidating because we didn’t see much of it. Sauron standing there fighting with a sword is less threatening that the disembodied eye watching in the distance.
And also because sauron would have killed aragorn petty quick
@Lamina Sapida in the books he actually is in a physical form during the entire trilogy. Gollum mentions to Frodo and Sam that he has a missing finger (thanks to Isildur)
Not really, because it is still distracting Sauron, and we know he cannot be killed unless the ring is destroyed. At the time, he didn't realise that Frodo and Sam, were about to pull a sneaky one on him, so with that in mind, the stakes are very much there. As far as Sauron was concerned, he is immortal, and the object that would restore him to unimaginable power was within arms reach, he couldn't lose, he would take the ring in his own hand, and with it, Middle Earth.
And it was that belief that he couldn't lose, that Aragorn was fighting not to win, but to lose, that a King would sacrifice himself was beyond Saurons understanding of the world.
The moment he worked out what had happened, it utterly destroyed his world view. Having watched through a lens of hatred pain, and desire for the only type of power he knew, he had never been able ot rationalise, to conceptualise that outcome. Eveyrthing Sauron beleived he knew to be fundamentally true of the World, Greed, anger, suffering, war, domination... he learnt that he was wrong, and that is why he lost.
Which is exaclty why the Eye was perfect. The VFX team managed to convey pure terror and torture in the eye of Sauron. As much fun as it is imagining him on the battlefield at the end, the scene we got was perfect
@@thesenate3728 Sauron' s body is not immortal...It can be killed in a way...That had already happened twice...First time was when Numenor vanished and second time was during the siege of Barad-dur...Isildur was not the one that killed him...Sauron was actually killed by the combined attacks of Gil Galad and Elendil...Both of them were also killed during that battle...Isildur just cut the finger from the dead body of Sauron in order to claim the ring for himself...The real nemesis and the biggest fear of Sauron is actually King Elessar, that' s why he tries to destroy Minas Tirith before Aragorn' s arrival...He is so eager to prevent Aragorn' s coronation, that he fails to spot the hobbits in his own territory...Aragorn is the decentant of Elendil and the last one of the Numenorian King' s bloodline...Sauron hates and fears the Numenorians cause they have stopped him twice in the past and their ancestors was the humans that fought against his master (Melkor) during the War of Wrath...Bearing all those in mind, a 1v1 between Aragorn and Sauron would be very interesting...Sauron might be a powerful Mayar, but Aragorn is a powerful half-elven, who also carries Mayar blood from Melian, the mother of Luthien...Luthien was the grandmother of Elwing, the mother of Elrond and Elros...Elros was the first king of Numenor and the ancestor of Aragorn...
Aragorn seeing a vision of Sauron would have been fine. When he first sees him in this clip, I think he may well have seen him as Annatar, a form he can no longer take. That would have had a certain power and resonance to it and could have symbolised Sauron trying to appeal to Aragorn's vanity - 'You can think of yourself as a peer to me now, join me...' kind of thing.
Totally agree with all the comments suggesting the idea of Sauron himself on the battlefield would have been a writing disaster. Glad they took it out as it would have just been absurd.
One point I see brought up often is that it changes the meaning of "For Frodo."
In the actual cut, it kind of means, "let's fight this infinite army of orcs as long as we can to buy him time."
If Sauron is there, a character who the audience knows to be immortal, and powerful beyond bounds, then it changes the line to Aragorn saying, "fuck, we're all definitely going to die.... let's die fighting for Frodo."
Its the same reason they cut the Mouth of Sauron in the theatrical cut; the Fellowship receiving the Mithril shirt would basically be saying, "all these heroes are collectively committing to a suicidal final battle because they know they've already lost the War for Middle-Earth." Sauron taking form on the battlefield moments later would cement that, and it would take away the character focus of those final scenes, which is really about Frodo and the Ring's final steps.
@@FASynergy I agree but they rode all that way… might as well die a glorious death as opposed to a cowardice one right? I know they aren’t Vikings but they were proud to March for a chance at victory. I doubt they would have just packed up and marched back home only to be slaughtered or enslaved later.
I completly agree. They could leave this image of Annatar in the movie, it looks great! Indeed Sauron should not take physical form. Such scenes in this particular case look not well...
This is probably where JJ Abrams got the idea a force ghost could catch a light saber being thrown into a fire. Good directors cut this kind of cringey stuff out.
@@FASynergy “I do not believe it! I will not.”
Sauron directly confronting Aragon would be stupid. The whole point is that Sauron had doubts. His chief Nazgul defeated. Narsil reforged. The Heir of Isindul marching at the Black Gate.
Remember, at the beginning of the trilogy we see him fight only because his armies were loosing. The Black Tower had been under siege for years before he decided to fight in person.
Now, Sauron is watching everything from the Black Tower. His minions are way numerous than the opponents, compared to the 2nd era battle, and he's instead way way weaker w/o the Ring.
He waited for years before intervening, in the 2nd era, and didn't go well, and he probably has learned his lesson. He's even more prudent now, and he thinks Aragorn has the Ring.
To step into the field at the beginning of the battle, outside the Black Gate, w/o seeing first how it goes with his vastly superior army, would be so stupid and out of character for him.
good point lad!
Not to mention if Sauron was actually there the whole army would have been wasted in a second ring or not with the exception of Gandalf holding his own for a while.
Well said.
one could say he learned from his mistake
also keep in mind the original baddie Morgoth behaved the same way. He had never known fear until Ungolioth tried to kill him, ever since he's been a huge pussy. Pretty much only leaving his stronghold when Fingolfin challenged him to single combat, and even then he was terrified. He only accepted because it would make him look weak.
The same could have potentially happened in lotr if Aragorn challenged him to single combat, but not really having a physical body at this time it wasn't really possible.
They almost hit us with a, "Somehow Sauron returned."
I mean Sauron had returned and had a body by that time. The threat of returning from his "eye form" is purely movie stuff. But yeah they had fucked up already with the eye thing so it would have been hard to find an excuse to use his actual body during the final scene.
This made me think about how the entire first half of the Silmarillion can be summarized with:
"Somehow Melkor returned and he's still on his bullshit"
And the second half being:
"Ehem btw, that Annatar guy was Sauron, and he's somehow returning and is planning to get back on his bullshit"
@@grassblock7668 lol ikr
Lmao
By the start of the Lord of the Rings, Sauron had physical form. He just never left Barad-Dur until he regained his full strength, and of course the One Ring.
I like how Sauron addressed Aragorn as “Elessar”.
I don’t, because Elessar wasn’t his name yet. It was the name he took, for the first time, after the War of the Ring was successfully concluded.
It sounds more like "Elesus"
@@realbaresoles2 True but Mayar are implied to have a bit of foresight innate to their powers. Not as much as the Valar but still.
@@realbaresoles2 WHAT COULD THAT MEAN? 🤔🤔
I really agree that put Sauron in his phisical body in the end would be quite out of place, because we already saw him fighting in the beginning of the first film. The thing i desagree is that the director delected also the angelical form of Sauron when this part surely would be epic to see. Not to Aragorn fight it, but just to show how he is really something else like "Man, you're not just fighting a monster eye covered in flame. You're fighting a divine creature. Something that already existed before the creation of this world.".
I agree. Have Sauron's angelic form just show up, sneer at them creepily or something, then vanish. Would have given Sauron a bit more presence and as you said, emphasize how he is something else entirely.
"But Sauron was not of mortal flesh, and though he was robbed now of that shape in which he had wrought so great an evil, so that he could never again appear fair to the eyes of Men, yet his spirit arose out of the deep and passed as a shadow and a black wind over the sea, and came back to Middle-earth and to Mordor that was his home."
The Silmarillion IV Akallabêth
@@redpandarampage2191 would have been weird and lame af
Sauron cannot appear in that form anymore. And it would have been incredibly weird and lame.
forgive my english, but this looks like a bad fan made montage
Wow. While it is certainly good this was cut out, what it makes even more powerfull is 1) Aragorn's "For Frodo!", and 2) Merry and Pippin running directly after him. I mean, it is really heroic and noble the way it is depicted in the final movie, but having Sauron himself stand there and those little hobbits charging at him with a cry and no hesitation whatsoever is way beyond incredibly brave!
They could have made the presence be more like an after image that vanishes when they clashed swords with the army, meaning that every single soldier there was representing his will, now that i see this, i think it was a lost chance. Trilogy is a masterpiece tho.
@@NaCl-ty Sauron lost his ability to take form when he was defeated by the last alliance. It makes no sense for him to be there.
And if he could, he still wouldn't fight unless he really had to. As far as he knew Aragorn had the ring and was bringing it straight to him. The small army that marched into Mordor would easily be defeated and Sauron could just take the ring.
@@Bzorlan He could still take form just not that form. He lost the ability to take that form when he convinced the Numenoreans to attack Valinor and wreck themselves. I know I am spoiling the Rings of Power, but that's how the Second Age ends.
The "For Frodo" part and the hobbits running are in the Extended cuts. Just no ghostly Sauron
@@dixievfd55 he couldn't take his fair form after numenor was destroyed but I thought he couldn't take any form without the ring after that?
I'm about 1/4 into the silmarillion. Feanor has just arrived back in middle earth.
I like that they took the battle with Sauron out, and the explanation for why they did it is great. This moment isn’t about Aragorn facing the enemy face to face, is about all of them fighting impossible odds just to be a distraction for Frodo to accomplish his mission. Is about facing certain doom just for the hope that Goodness succeeds in the end.
Am I the only that is fascinated and mesmerized by the Saurons light ability or spiritual projection and its theme
Even tho he is evil, he is still a maia and still can prob do a light aura around his true form
despite being physically absent for the entire trilogy except the first scene just seeing him in front of our heroes just scares the shit out of me
It's insane that they ever even had this idea, let alone had it in the script, let alone actually filmed it.
@@HockeyNationHD Ah, sorry my bad. I read 'never'🤦🏼♀️
@@WhoamI27676 np
Personally, I feel the same way about Dain massacring some of Thranduil's elves before Azog's army showed up making it into the finished 'Hobbit' film. Nevermind the film portraying Thorin's successor as that bloodthirsty, racist lunatic and expecting it to be in any way reassuring!
@@ecthox-1mork909 The elves are portrayed as the highest and wisest beings, morally the best, and they are portrayed as varying degrees of 'racist' against just about every other kind of humanoid being. Tolkien did not have modern far left trash values or believe in racism (as a concept, including that such a thing was bad or unnatural) as such.
@@HockeyNationHD actually Tolkien was a strong leftist, he held many of what you consider "far left trash values." He was a strong anti-war leftist and was openly and VERY vocally anti-conservative, and anti-racist.
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Exactly
Fellowship is the best of the three.
I always wondered about that part where Aragorn is almost killed by a troll during the final fight with Sauron's army. It seemed like a strange choice to have this badass warrior we've seen do so much during the three movies almost get killed by a single random troll, but knowing that that troll replaced Sauron's physical form he was originally supposed to be fighting makes that scene make so much more sense. I totally agree with the choice to remove Sauron from that battle, though.
Would be completely normal, remember how they struggled to defeat the one in Moria, then you get Legolas solo kill an oliphant+10 warrios at least.
then went from normal strenght to p2w mmorpg players
Would be completely normal, remember how they struggled to defeat the one in Moria, then you get Legolas solo kill an oliphant+10 warrios at least.
then went from normal strenght to p2w mmorpg players
@@archi4226 Sure, it's not strange from a practical standpoint since Aragron is not Superman. I meant that it's strange from the standpoint of the story to have the returned king of Gondor, who's now established as a superhuman Numenorean and wields Elendil's reforged blade, almost die at the hands of some random mook even if that mook is a huge troll. It's the same thing as if a huge flaming rock that exploded from Mount Doom fell on him and flattened him out of nowhere. It's logical to assume he wouldn't survive that, but it'd still be a strange choice story-wise.
That day when they finally decide to release this version..........
It will be a good day...
Never. Only the woke version shall be released, forever running the tale.
@Jack Marcuson Enlighten me...
But it is not this day
@@alejandrorenovatio9736 a bad day, kiddo
Man there something that’s so tear jerking when the hobbits are the first ones to run into battle. And music this scene gives courage
The amazing part of the whole LOTR trilogy is the evil forces including Sauron could not tell the four hobbits apart while the audience who has been very acquainted with them can.
I’m glad they didn’t. But I think having Sauron appear as a beautiful angel of light and then vanishing just before the battle begins would have been creepy.
That's what he looked like when he was Mairon.
I think this would have been out of place, even though it would make my inner geek squeal to see Aragorn duel Sauron. But also the theatrical version of Aragorn fighting a giant cave troll didn't feel right too.
I think the perfect middle ground would have been to have him fight the Mouth of Sauron/ the Black Lieutenant. It would be much more fitting and more in line with the book, and still satisfying for those who want to see Aragorn fight a more worthy opponent. He is a physical representation of Sauron's will, and essentially his avatar whilst he is a disembodied spirit. Also the MoS is of the same race of people as Aragorn, but got corrupted by Sauron, so it's like Aragorn would be fighting a dark reflection of himself. Of course they would have to beef up the appearance of the MoS, so he would look like a credible threat to Aragorn - like he'd have to be 7 feet tall with heavy armour.
I can see it now, with the Mouth coming out like in the original scene but he is big and imposing, looking like the dark Lord himself. He taunts the group about Frodo's supposed death, and Aragorn steps forward and threatens him, but doesn't kill him. The MoS calls forth the army of orcs, and they surround Aragorn's smaller army. We see the MoS laughing cruelly, as he knows they will crush this feeble resistance in one swoop, and Sauron's victory will be assured. Aragorn has his "for Frodo" moment and they charge against the orcs. In the midst of the fighting Aragorn meets the MoS and they begin duelling intensely. It seems like Aragorn will gain the upper hand, however the sheer numbers of orcs overwhelms them and Aragorn is attacked from behind, giving the MoS the opportunity to punish Aragorn knocking him to the ground. It seems the MoS will finish Aragorn, but Aragorn manages to hold him off long enough until Frodo destroys the Ring. As the eye of Sauron implodes, the MoS is distracted for a moment giving Aragorn the chance to behead him.
They did this in Shadow of Mordor.
Or what if they has Sauron take on the rest ofbthe Fellowship as well? Could be a team effort to battle him with everyone doing what they can to distract him. It could be a fight scene in which Sauron is shown taking some hits (indicating he's not a 100% yet without the ring) but is still strong enough to push around whenever he gets a chance to attack
Ok I still loved this lol. It gave me chills of joy when Sauron said “Elessar”
I find it interesting how Legolas was taken back by his appearance.
Aragorn seeing Sauron in The Two Towers and challenging him with the Palantir would've been cool in theaters though. I think it would've hyped us up in a moment when the movie was losing just a bit of its momentum, during the Faramir bit IMO.
God damn! That score is permanent goosebumps!
As ridiculous of a writing Katastrophe this would have been
It just sounds so unbelievably awesome
Also l could totally see Sauron thinking
Oh well l have won anyway might as well have some fun and jump in
It would be better if the film makers included the scene of Sauron being blown away by the wind as is told in the book.
Idk dude... even if is not accurate to the book, that is one of the greatest explosions in the cinema
Wasn’t that Saruman who was blown away?
I would no have minded this, if he appeared as he did for the first few seconds all angelic and then in the armor.. then, when Aragorn charges, the light flashes again, this time red and firey. Sauron then disappears from the battlefield, and we realize it was just a vision of Sauron. Without the Ring, he cannot take physical form. The red light flashes again atop the tower and the Eye looks down on the battle in front of the Black Gate.
Something along those lines would have worked, I think.
Aragorn needed this. As it stands, the peak of his arc is Two Towers, that's really his movie, not Return of the King. RotK feels lacking in great Aragorn moments compared to the first two. If they had only had this, the battle here could have been epic.
They should remaster the original footage of the REAL Sauron they shot.
Hard to imagine anyone making 3 movie as great as these.
This is very well put together, good job. 👍
They did a good job of depicting Sauron's "Mairon" form. He's actually scarier that way because he looks like an entity that could make you burst into flames just by staring at you.
Yeah, I feel exactly, the same, I wonder how a being so evil can have such an angelic form, it’s creepy but it's a very good idea
Here I am watching a 2 minute changed scene, and once again having chills and shedding tears because of this masterpiece.
😅I always thought the armored troll-like monster fight with Aragorn felt a little out of place. Like how the cave troll was ragdolling them but Aragorn was now able to completely block the armored troll’s downward slash despite its insane mass.
I can understand why they probably took this out. My guess is that they may have felt it may have been a bit confusing for the general public. Because the whole point of this trilogy’s journey is to destroy the ring so Sauron CAN’T become powerful enough to return. But he just returns and starts battling Aragorn in a physical form anyway? So does he need the ring or not? Has he built up enough power over the years to the point he no longer needs the ring?
The way I see it is Sauron is projecting a shadow of himself. It’s pretty much a physical form, but it’s not his full strength. That’s still stored in the ring. That’s also why Aragorn can block his attacks and hold his own. Because it’s not Sauron’s full strength( also may have a little to do with Aragorn wielding the sword that originally defeated him).
The whole point of this charge is to divert Sauron’s attention away from Mount Doom so Frodo and Sam can have a chance to slip in and finally destroy it. But the only way this obviously incredibly outnumbered army can be even a half decent diversion is A: Sauron somehow deems them as an actual threat to him and/or B: he thinks the key to his victory is within that army.
This whole plan is based on the idea of “it’s just crazy enough to work”. Sauron feels no one’s that crazy as to just roll up on the front door of the equivalent of Satan’s right hand and say “what’s up pussy!We’re here to kill you! Come out and fight us bitch!”😂😂
The only reason in his mind that the idea would even be entertained is if they have the one ring and are planning to wield it against him. So it checks point A and B! So he just goes down in his weakened form to stomp out this pitiful army and get his full strength back as quickly as possible. Because there’s literally no way these people would DARE to come here WITHOUT the ring! He also probably wants a rematch on Isildur’s heir and the special sword that stopped him the first time.
If you want to really know why they decided to cut sauron from the battle I highly recommand that you watch the making of. It is absolutely insane, kind of a second trilogy in my opinion and really interesting. To give you a little bit of an answer I can tell you that they wanted to stick to Tolkien’s version.
I agree, it seemed a bit ridiculous
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The thing is, canonically he DID have a physical form at this time. He'd regained a physical form long before it, actually. He needed the ring to achieve his full power, not to achieve physical form. At this point in the story, he has a physical form, but he can not take on fair form, and he only has nine fingers.
Really good answer
As awesome as Sauron was in physical form he was even better in the way they released it, a mysterious presence over there above all that remains mysterious throughout. Doing it the way they do in the above clip also takes it away from the hobbits on Mt Doom.
literally Tolkeins intent. Jackson took far too many liberties with the story as it was so glad he showed some restraint here.
The body of celebrimbor is inside of sauron
I have mixed emotions. On one hand, having Sauron project a physical version of himself to challenge Aragorn, would have been pretty badass, all things considered. Along with Aragorn and the Hobbits charging to face him, it gave me chills - in a good way. He could exist in multiple forms and maybe even in multiple places at once, so it's not inconceivable to me he mustered enough power to squash Aragorn personally, for good. His visage would have been terrifying, and he would have known that. Aragorn showing the courage to face him and battle him, would have been chilling. On the other hand, it's not in the books and would have felt a bit off. Though I truly love the notion of throwing yourself at insurmountable odds, or an overwhelming specter of evil, and making the ultimate sacrifice, but the final version of the film was satisfying enough.
Yeah this would not have worked, but if I have one problem outside of it it’s that I think all these films would have benefited from one more physical threat with a face. Specifically for Aragorn. Let me explain, Sauron, and Saruman are both schemers and the rest are just faceless orcs. I wish they had kept lurtz (the orc who killed boromir alive) until this moment it would have been cool to see the fellowship face off with a foe they knew and had a vendetta against in the end and not just legions of faceless monsters. Movie still rocks though.
Always felt like they could have done some retcon where sauron might not be able to directly control but can empower certain nazguls with his own power, which would have also explained more why the witch king was so much stronger suddenly and could defeat Gandalf in the movie. Could have even had sauron using his eye to make the nazgul appear as himself to try and throw Aragorn off, with the illusion breaking with the ring being destroyed, and when Aragorn stabs the nazgul after it actually dies since sauron and his magic is dead
It’s simple said : Tolkien was a genius on characters and how + when to introduce them. The nazgul were extremely powerful beings when they were needed.
The witch-king‘s part on Gondor which was cut out would have been EPIC if they adapted 100% from the book there though. For me the witch-king wasn’t as powerful as in the books. Even hearing his loud cries to power up the destruction of Gondor‘s Doors was pure goosebumps, in the movies it was just him destroying gandalfs staff and boom he’s gone.
@@OrdinaryApprentice99 they had to tone down everyone unfortunately. Witch king should have been a lot stronger, but so should Gandalf, and Gandalf should have still won the fight or at the very least had it end in a draw before the witch king flies off to the fields during the charge. From the perspective of just the movies, it makes no sense why Gandalf was able to fight all of the nazgul at once at night, but after he comes back as the white and is even stronger, he gets defeated by one of them during the day, and they give no explanation. I know movies have to adapt and shorten the story from books, but some of the stuff they chose to take out or ignore make no sense and just leave massive plot holes. Still a fantastic trilogy and one of if not the best trilogies of all time, but it’s like watching judges all give 10s and the last gives a 9. It’s still amazing and probably as close to perfect as possible, but it just needed that last little extra. The books are perfect, and even taking out a lot of stuff, I can’t help but think if they were just a little more accurate to power levels of characters like Gandalf, witch king, Saruman, and the elves, as well as include Elrond’s sons in the movie, it would have been the perfect adaption. Completely agree it’s the greatest adaption ever, but just missed that perfect mark
@@sgttoasterface5282 The last one will also give a 10 because that person will consider their budgets and everything. They made this trilogy with a disgustingly tight schedule and to top it all off, VERY very early CGI and VFX usage. (with early i mean early 2000s)
Good idea. I agree.
btw say what you want.. but when Aragorn charged first, Merry and Pippin were right there behind him as the heroes they were
Even the deleted scenes of Lotr are insanely cool
And then he listened to the Wise ones…
The rest is the legend…
I learned that Sauron makes a final appearance after the ring is destroyed. He screams out as a massive dark force reaching out in despair. It would have been fun to have seen it that way.
Yes! A massive black shadow that reaches out its hand and is swept away by the wind was Tolkien's final description of Sauron as he is defeated and destroyed. That would have been an incredible visual for the film and it's disappointing that they didn't do that.
This scene was removed for 3 reasons:
The scene itself strayed too far from Tolkien's text.
Showing Sauron in physical form contradicted what was established in the movies, where it was mentioned that he could not take physical form unless he obtained the One Ring again.
Sauron and Aragorn's fight played down Frodo's mission, since according to what was filmed, during the fight, Aragorn managed to stab Sauron with Elendil's sword at the same time that the ring melted in the lava. , which implied that both Aragorn and Frodo defeated Sauron.
it was mentioned from saruman but he said "he cannot yet take physical form, yet" so he could have returned without a ring
Honestly I would love them to put this in an extended edition to where you can choose if you want this in the final scene or not. Cuz personally I wouldn't make as much sense story wise, I would love to see a version of the fight between them two. You know like fully finished and all that
Agreed !
Im glad they did go that road. As much as this might sound cool at a fan level it is wrong for so many reasons. First Sauron cannot take a physical form anymore, he lost that ability at the end of the 2nd age, he could not appear that way as the Nazgul did. Then it cheapens the real effort of Sam & Frodo and the courage of the little folks as Tolkien intended. Finally just for conversation purposes, lets Sauron did indeed show up for a fight, as weak as Sauron is without the ring he is still far more powerful than anyone in the 3rd age and would have completely destroyed Aragorn and most of the army without even trying. Sauron is a Maîa just like Gandalf and Saruman but not just any Maia he was the greatest Maïa, chieftain of Aulë's people. While he is about at 1/2 of his power compared to when holding the Ring he was able to defeat the likes of Gil-Galad and Elendil. So Aragorn can just take a walk According to ICE which use to be the official Middle-Earth Roleplaying game Aragorn is level 36 at the end of the 3rd age and Sauron is still level 180 down from 360 with the ring. Just saying!
Sauron had form in the third age, he lost the hability to change to a fair form
@@kron3409 nope. Somebody posted the exact paragraph in another thread but he could not take any form. He was much like the Nazgul.
@@66alex6699
'For coming out of the wastes of the East he (Sauron) took up his abode in the south of the forest , and slowly he grew & took shape again;' (The Silmarillion, 'Of the Rings of Power & The Third Age')
'True, alas, is our guess. This is not one of the Úlairi (Ringwraiths), as many have long supposed. It is Sauron himself who has taken shape again and now grows apace' (The Silmarillion, 'Of the Rings of Power & The Third Age')
'I myself dared to pass the doors of the Necromancer in Dol Guldur, and secretly explored his ways, and found thus that our fears were true: he was none other than Sauron, our Enemy of old, at length taking shape and power again.' (The Fellowship of the Ring, Book 2, Ch 2, The Council of Elrond)
''Yes, He has only four (fingers) on the Black Hand, but they are enough,’ said Gollum shuddering.' (The Two Towers, Book 4, Ch3, The Black Gate is Closed)
@@66alex6699 read the books
Sauron did in fact have a physical body by the end of the third age
Lol - If you look at the first cut away at 00:00, there is a Rohirrim warrior in the 2nd on the left with a chain mail cowl, he is my brother and he is wearing glasses. The only person in middle earth with glasses.
I love the editing! Great job man!
Does anyone know what happened with the horses between Aragorn rilying the man up and when he charges For Frodo?
looks good but breaks canon, Peter Jackson did well deleting it
You know the movies aren’t cannon right? And a lot of shit that happens in the movies doesn’t happen in the book at all or happen at totally different points in the story.
@@bruhdon4748 Duh, we all know that, but adding the scene would have ruined the ending
@@RadicalW0lf I agree tbf, wouldn’t make sense for Sauron to put himself out there in such a vulnerable position especially considering the men are holding their last stand & was under the impression Aragon had the ring.
Canon is Sauron had a physical body. Breaking canon is the eye, which is supposed to be symbolic / metaphorical.
@@bruhdon4748 if you think some minor things are not canon in LOTR , wait to see Amazon series 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I know it’s better to be replaced with a troll, but heck I couldn’t help but let out an “OH NO OH FUCK OH SHIT!!!” When ma boe Sauron came into the battlefield
This would have been absurd and undermined Frodo’s entire quest. Thank god he was talked out of it.
Sauron should have showed up in physical form. He wasn't just an eyeball in the books. He had regained his physical form.
Would be cool if they left that first flash of sauron in, the fighting would be weird but seeing that vision of sauron breifly before the fight looked cool and the edit looked pretty cool how it quickly flashed his fair firm
I was always under the assumption in the films and the books that Sauron couldn't manifest physically without the ring.
That’s a movie only thing. He had reformed a body in the books, but he was never directly present in any scenes, only referred to.
This isn't a deleted scene, it's a fan edit using imagery from the game and from the prologue of FOTR. fun concept though :)
One of the few things I think was a big mistake was not making Elendil & Gil-Galad's injury of Sauron known; but not having Aragorn fight Sauron was good. though having him appeal to Aragorn as Annatar could have worked
good idea not putting him in and deleting it, i prefer the idea of the main enemy is hidden at all time, he is an enigma but yet everyone know who he is and he should be feared. i like the idea of this man with such power is hidden away plotting in his tower making the world go crazy.
Im glad it was deleted but im also glad we got these alternate scenes to watch too
In his true form he looks like an angel
That’s because he basically was. He was a Maiar, which are a lot like angels.
Return of the Kiing - Rings Of Power edition
Instead of Aragorn fighting him imagine a fight between Sauron and Gandalf 🤯
Why not both? Something like Aragorn fights Sauron first then after a while, Gandalf notices that Aragorn is having difficulty fighting Sauron, so he steps in to help.
That would've been epic, on a cinematic as well as a personal level. For context, in the lore it's stated that when the Valar sent the Wizards to Middle Earth to combat Sauron's influence, Gandalf initially was reluctant to go cause he felt he wasn't anywhere near strong enough to oppose someone like Sauron, and so wouldn't be any help against him.
Having Gandalf confront Sauron face to face would've been a testament to how far he had come and how much more stronger he was.
However, it also would've gone against the inherent message of the story, which was believing in the strength of mankind and the little guy. Having someone who's essentially an Angelic being be the one to finish the Dark Lord would've been counterintuitive to that.
This looks fan made rather than a genuine deleted scene
Absolutely love the lord of the rings trilogy
I’m going to be the odd man out on this one and say I wish they kept it in (I know I know, it’s not in the book, but let me explain). Barad dur was Sauron’s home base and much of his power was stored there. It would make sense that maybe only within a certain distance within Barad Dur that he could take physical form. This would explain why he wants/needs the ring so that he can take physical form ANYWHERE as well as have all of his complete power. As someone else noted here, it also s doesn’t make sense to fight a cave troll because of the strength differences. On a character development note for Pippin and Merry, the first interaction with a force of the enemy (namely the ringwraiths) in the Fellowship of the Ring resulted in the two hobbits being shoved aside in terror, but here they have developed the strength and courage and love to follow Aragorn in defense of Frodo against Sauron himself. This also would be a nod to Aragron’s power that he is able to fight Sauron as his ancestor did and showcases his own strength and courage of the Numenor race.
In the books, Sauron had a physical form during the war of the ring. He was in Barad Dur. He didn’t need the ring for that.
How is it even possible that sauron fights, isnt his physical form killed
I came for a troll and stayed for the good stuff, thank you.
Imagine trolling
The "elf form" was in the original or is this a fan edit ?
no. its his Anattar form
@@danielhornmajczak6419 because they didn't realese it
@@danielhornmajczak6419 sauron himself isn't a fan edit, Peter Jackson filmed it
@@vernich3381 It´s not. His Anathar form was lost after Numenor breakdown, circa 1000 years before the events of LOTR.
@Jack Marcuson can confirm its real. They just decided not to use it.
I really wish they included this scene in the movies. I have seen many comments that say “This scene would have ruined the dynamic of the scene and/or it doesn’t make sense” and while I understand where they are coming from, I kind of disagree. Here is why:
The first argument I see a lot is that “Him returning doesn’t make sense because he needs the ring to do that”. While I understand your point, we have to remember that this is the movies, and not the books. The movies have already made changes to the story, so this wouldn’t be too crazy. Plus, earlier we here Saruman say “All he needs is the ring to return to his full strength.” In a different scene, he says “He cannot yet obtain physical form”. This implies that Sauron (in the movies) doesn’t need the ring to have a body again
The second main argument I see is “Sauron fighting Aragorn is dumb because the Ring is what is important”. Again, I totally understand this, but I don’t see why Sauron returning is a problem. If anything, it heightens the need to destroy the ring cause now, “Oh shit he has a body again!” For me, this just adds more intensity overall.
Plus, we can’t argue that seeing Anatar in the flesh would have been sick. I mean come on, this is the body Sauron used to make the rings!!!
This is just my personal opinion, and I wanted to share it :)
He is so beautiful. Like an angel
Yes, he is so nice, I love him so much.......😍💕💖WOW💯
The cardboard looking cutout of Sauron killed me.
Rat race is everlasting, I'm an eagle to It. Only swoopin when I needa do It.
I am happy they didn’t keep this in the live for the sake of sticking to the story. But fighting Sauron’s physical form head-on in a sword fight is absolutely something Aragorn would not hesitate to do. Even if Sauron defeated Aragorn, it would likely be his most difficult fight he was ever involved in.
Not exactly 😂 Sauron had overpowered God like figures in the past, even in his weakened state here Aragorn would be a joke.
1:33 I absolutely love this part
We’ve seen Aragorn using his Dunedain strength, bracing that spear against a cave troll, tossing Gimli then holding onto a rope with one hand and Gimli in the other, etc,
And Sauron, his mailed fist like wrapped in his cloak(?) just *backhands* this upstart wannabe king of men, first once, then again and just that half assed blow sends Aragorn, Elessar, heir to the Throne of the Free People of Middle-Earth, who has a body count of hundreds, sprawling and staggering backwards desperately, trying to escape the wrath of a living god more powerful than anything else currently standing on the planet
Imagine how Gandalf would have felt if this had actually happened…seeing the being he feared so badly, even while standing in Valinor, unleashed on the field of battle about to kill Middle-Earth’s last heir of Gondor’s kings
When I see Anatar in there....GOD ITS SO EPIIIC!!!
I can understand Jackson getting caught up in wanting to portray part of Morgoth's story with Fingolfin because it's so bad ass but I totally respect his decision to remain faithful to The Return of the King.
It makes sense that they removed this scene, but it would still be cool to see it in its entirety.
In the books Sauron didn’t lose his body, but was weakened and was sometimes described in 9 fingers
The movies depicted him losing his body, but over time gained power
Enough power to dim
The light in the world and made his servants strong in day hours
So it’s not impossible for him to gain a rudimentary form as he would want to personally deal with Aragorn
Yea, Gollum mentions how he only has four fingers in his one hand...but they're enough.
Maybe they could've had him taking on the whole Fellowship in the battle. Could even show him taking some hits from the team as a result of not being at full power, but still strong enough to keep knocking them down when they attack him
Por fin liberaron la escena
Wow those eagles sure can fly and fight, considering those dragons are way larger than them.
I’m glad they cut this from the final cut of the movie.
"I'm your father" that sauron guy "HEAVY BREATHING* ?
Manwe interfering in this battle gives me chills every time…(his eagles).
One of the single best decission jackson did was cutting this scene.
Is it just me or does it seem like sauron almost hypnotizes aragorn, when he looks back at everyone he has a sinister look and then gandalf waives his hand like he is cleansing the spell.
Lol, Gandalf the Maiar is like, that human *totally* has this!
Good it wasnt in a final cut. Staying true to the source material.
Kinda glad this didn’t make the final cut. The mouth of Sauron scene however, should of definitely made the final cut. Great scene!
Omg 😱 that was sooo cool! I mean like what just happened?! It made it seem as though Aragorn was momentarily possessed by Sauron’s spirit (that’s just me) in order to trick him into killing the orcs. But then again, it was also more likely that he appeared a few seconds before Aragorn turned n said for Frodo. I really hope I am not misreading or hallucinating something here, coz that video was awesome 👏!!!
Entertaining to watch, but it's obviously (fan) edited.
No, this is a real deleted scene. It looks a bit bad (the lighting) because it wasn't completed
Nope it was susposed to be in
I'm kinda pissed they swapped out Sauron for an Olog-Hai.
@@shockwave6213 Yah wtf was that and olog replacing the dark lord
Jackson explained that Aragorn fighting Sauron would overshadow the deeds of Frodo and Sam, whom he wanted to depict as main heroes, which we all have to agree would be kinda hard to achieve if Aragorn would fought Sauron himself. Missed opportunity indeed, but understandable.
0:53 so is this Sauron's elven form?
No, that would be Annatar.
This one is the form of awesome armour.
Nice editing
I don’t think this is a deleted scene. This looks a lot more like it is stitched together from multiple scenes from the different lotr movies. Not cool to falsely advertise as deleted. Just say what it it. People will still look, but then they won’t be misled either. 🤷♀️especially when this isn’t in the books and Peter Jackson was being as TRUE TO THE BOOKS as he could. He is one of the only directors to do so.
I'm sorry for that, I'll change the title, btw thanks for the correction 😉
Wow, Gandalf can run faster than anyone. Impressive.
He’s a Maiar.
It definitely didn't make sense to me...I thought Sauron needed the ring for him to regain his physical form
Sauron... we meet for the first time for the last time. Narsil hungers for thy flesh; it hasn't tasted it in centuries....
Parece montagem de vídeos na cena da luta de Aragorn e Sauron, ficou meia boca, acho q foi fã que editou esse vídeo, não foi nada de cena deletada kkkkk
I had never noticed that Merry was in this battle, in the movie. He's not supposed to be.
True, In The Return of The King Merry was still healing from his wounds after trying to stab the Witch King, he had wanted to go with them to the Black Gate but Aragorn had told him
" 'You are not fit for such a journey,' said Aragorn
'But do not be ashamed. If you do no more in this war, you have already earned great honor. Peregrin shall go and represent the Shirefolk; and do not begrudge him his chance of peril, for though he has done as well as his fortune allowed him, he has yet to match your deed.
But in truth all are now endanger. Though it may be our part to find a bitter end before the gate of Mordor, if we do so, then you will come also to a last stand, either here or wherever the black tide overtakes you, Farewell!' "
The Lord of The Rings: the Return of The King: Chapter 9 'The Last Debate'
If Peter Jackson had actually decided to go in this direction (very good call that he didn’t for a plethora of reasons), how would it have played out? Would the Eye of Sauron have beamed out of Barad-Dur to take his physical form on the battlefield? Or would the Eye just stay there, but cast a projection of Sauron’s physical form, sort of like Avatar?
Sauron is not an eye. Rather, the eye is actually a projection. In the cut scene from the second or third film, there is a moment when Aragorn uses a palantir and there for a second or two you can see Sauron in physical form holding another palantir just as he held the ring at the beginning of the first film. I think an eye would just remain on the tower while Sauron fought Aragorn.
ruclips.net/video/Oz_njsPDGRs/видео.html 0:48
Was a version of this scene used in the computer/ video game of The Return of the King?
Really wish they had cleaned this up a little and used it for one of the games.
It would have really fit in well; hell, with the setting we could have had different results based on what character the player uses, imagine Merry or Pippin managing to beat Sauron.
Maybe they should've have had Aragorn fight the Mouth Of Sauron.
Didnt he cut of his head? At least in the extended edition
@@nicolaimadsen7036 Yeah, but I meant during the battle itself.
@@nicolaimadsen7036 he means that instead of cutting his head, she should have fought him în battle. În The books he also didn't kill mouth of sauron. Aragon only insulted him and told him to leave, which he did.
the Sauron.JPG in the backround hahaha