This conversation is why I think Desmond wanted to make everyone remember. On island time he saw the flashes of the afterlife and thought that was a better life, in that purgatory. So when he tells Jack nothing matters on the island, but Jack tells him that the island is the thing that matters most. Then when Desmond remembers in the afterlife, he remembers what Jack said and goes to work. Therefore, Jack is the reason Desmond "shepherds" the survivors to the church.
Doesn’t it also seem this conversation is also having the writers talk to the fans of the show that are confused about what is actually happening. Like they are explaining to the audience that they aren’t just dead. All of this is happening and matters, like Jack says
I also think he has the best scenes. By that I mean his character always has the best locations and supporting lore. He introduced us to the initiative and that is my favorite character. Even though what was done is done, it would be rewarding to be a part of a futurist community. I do respect Hurley's positive aura and how the people around him seem to develop and grow as characters.
All of it matters, Desmond just doesn't get it at that time... The reason they're together in the sideways is because "they were the most important people in each others lives" as Christian says... Why are they the most important people in each others lives? Well, because they saved the world, because they saved the light in the heart of the Island... So yeah, Jack's right, all of it matters!
krorks Thats why I dont get why Kate said "Jack just let the island sink, lets get on the plane and go" its like you realize if the island sinks there will be nowhere to go to? lol, referring to a quote "If the light goes out here it goes out everywhere"
@@Xxrocknrollgod Both are correct. Technically nothing matters, but at the same time EVERYTHING truly does matter...that is, if you want to ultimately reach the White Light. “...To remember...and, let go.” -Christian Shephard
Hardest lessons to learn in life: No short cuts, no do overs. What happens happens, and once it does, you can't change it, you can't take back. So live deliberately and consciously aware of what you say and do and think past that moment and ask yourself would I want to take it back, would I want a do over. IF not, then proceed...and accept what comes fully and totally!
What happened was Jack just pulled his head out of his ass, however he's still finding his way around what is matter, where did Europe get it's name from? The sin that is most revered is time.
lost is pretty much the only tv show i try not to watch clips on youtube to not over-watch it. that's how good lost is in my eyes. i wanna keep it as mystical as possible, to watch it all over again every few years. best show of all time. that short one and a half minute clip with the music in the background already started to make me feel happy and sad at the same time.
In a sense yes. He knew he visited a different place, but he never knew what that place truly was. He thought it was what the viewers thought it was in the beginning: an alternate reality. He didn't realize he was actually jumping forward in time past his own death and experienced a new realm after death. In fact after understanding that Jack was right, he would probably live the rest of his life not ever understanding just what it was that he had experienced. Not until he actually died could he possibly realize what he had visited. Which makes it all the more fascinating a character journey.
@@kbanghart In the electromagnetism experiment with widmore. He flashes to see his afterlife and then wakes up and wants to do whatever to get himself back there as he believes its connected to the high amount of electromagnetism as something similar happened when he blew up the hatch.
Yep the island is the afterlife (the light of the island) That's what Locke saw on the monster on the fourth episode of the show when he tell jack that he saw something beautiful at the beginning of season 1. The monster is a man who can manipulate the afterlife energy because he was drowned on it. In season 3 he reveal to Eko that he saw a great light in the monster. But eko was right: that's not what he saw.
I don't understand how people are often confused with the concept of afterlife in this show. I look in the comments and there is a huge boiling debate, I myself find it simple to understand. For all of you think they died when the plane crashed, refer to the scene in the Church for answers.
what Jack said is the whole series. What happened happened. Its not Purgatory or they are not dead like people seem to belive. These are people who have all gone through traumas off the island and had to learn to accept those things and move on with there lives.
And also, the light of the island = flash sideways (or after death). The man in black only want to lleave for himself. He don't care about the consequence (no afterlife). The island protect the afterlife, but the island is REAL. That's what many people don't understand. They didn't died since the beginning after the crash, they just "landed" in the front door of the death. So the island is purgatory? Yes in a way, but it 'exist". They didn"t die, if so, they resurrect when they leave the island at season 4?
+Boulbi Boulga Finally, someone gets it. I get frustrated trying to explain this to friends who either believe that they all died in the crash or that Jack was only trying to save the island itself at the end.
You're right! I actually watched the entire 6 seasons within a span of two months so I was able to make the connections with all previous episodes and realized that the directors were dropping answers here and there about the Island. It's imaginable that if a person watched season 2 and then season 3 after a 5-6 month gap then of course they would forget the nitty gritty details that were in the previous seasons. So its about the characters but the answers are also there...if you look :)
"I tried that once" referring to the season 5 finale. "No do-overs, Trust me I know" referring to his regret in getting Juliet killed. Incredible scene.
Typical and misinformed response. Jack never killed Juliet. Sawyer was responsible. She wanted to leave the island but he asked her to stay. In the end Juliet got herself killed because of skater looks, Sawyer toward Kate. Typical and meaningless filler drama. The interesting take away Jack thinks it's his fault. Isn't that who he is through out the show.
@@TomOnTheRun Sure you can split hairs and say Jack didn't kill her, and you're right. She is a grown woman who makes her own decisions. Jack did however advocate, and persuade people into thinking the bomb was the end all be all. When I say "regret in getting Juliet killed" I also sorta meant the entirety of season 5. It was him who felt empty inside, urged people to return to the island, and go with a suicidal mission. Everyone is responsible for their own decisions, all I was saying is Jack felt guilt for being a driving force. Thats what the no do-overs meant, he was wrong about season 5 "do-over"ing the initial crash.
The monster killed Eko because Eko was no longer any use to him. His death compares with the situation of Richard in 'Ab Aeterno', where MIB tried to manipulate him using his faith in order to have him kill Jacob (which he has tried with multiple other individuals). Unlike Richard, Eko revealed to MIB (who appeared as Yemi) that he was content with what he had done, that he feared no consequence and sought no redemption, therefore MIB had nothing to use to manipulate him - and killed him for it.
@Wadsy They say guilt, shame, regret, remorse all are signs of an active conscience whereby we wish we had done things differently so as not to have the adverse impact on others (and ourselves...mostly insofar as how our actions impact others). Perhaps Eko showed no signs of such conscience, even though he killed people ruthlessly and poison people with drugs and this excluded him from being a candidate. And then there was nothing that Smokey could exploit to manipulate Eko...and thus IT killed Eko.
@@bobdole4432 and then wrote this ending for his character, something they revisited in season 6 with the parallel of Richard experience with the monster in ‘Ab Aeterno’.
nice interpretation. However, the writers had no idea in season 3 that the smoke monster was M.I.B. They crafted his character from season 5 and pasted it onto the smoke monster to explain it away. Unfortunately for them, it made the first 4 seasons smoke monster make no sense. This has been confirmed by people who worked/wrote/directed/produced the show. They had NO idea what the smoke monster was in season 1. At all. They didn't even know what was going to be in the hatch when Locke first discovered it 😂
@@DannyOmu It's irrelevant whether or not the character was firmly established during the events of season 3 or earlier, the series was written over the course of several years as is everything on television.
They where always in purgatory they all dead on the plane or on the island there mostnomportant time in their lives is when they where together ..x x x x x x
@@cabahab2996 That is categorically not true. If you watched the show you would understand that you are wrong. First the crash. Then their lives. Then their afterlives. This is not up for debate.
Im not American, it took so long to figure out that jack, with "do-overs" talked about time travel, and desmond talked about after life, thanks to his vision.
@Rude666 they were both right. Desmond did eventually find a way to bring jack there. Not in the way he, or we were thinking at the time, but he brought the Jack on the island to the jack in the other world, by getting Jack ro remember his life on the island.
It's intense that some things only really touch you years later. "There are no do-overs"... This show hits much harder when you've aged a bit and went through a bunch of pain.
but he doesnt really get what Desmond is telling. In the context of the show Desmond is right and Jack is wrong in the end when they are reunited again.
I’ve seen LOST 3 times now and I really think the fact that people had to wait a week between episodes and months between seasons is one of the main reasons they didn’t get any of it. When you can just binge the show and watch 5+ episodes at a time every day or every other day, it all makes such clear sense but I do believe those waits probably ruined it for a lot of people while it was on air because clearly they either forgot things or like you said, didn’t really pay attention.
For those who don't understood: Desmond was wrong and Jack was right in this discussion. -Desmond saw the afterlife (that's what the energy of the island is, that's what the island contain (but Desmond didn't clearly understood fully what it was) -Jack understood that protecting the light matters (even if he don't know what that is) . The monster wants to become human again, so he had to destroy the island energy to undone everything related to the power of the island (the "monster transformation" for example). Widmore and Hawking said "we are all dead if we don't stop the monster" they are right. MIB won't do anything (he will be human) BUT the afterlife would be gone
But it didn't matter , they found each other , both were right , jack as man of science and Desmond as man of intuition (similar to Locke ) Both were right and wrong , all of this matters and none of it mattered
These two are hetero-soulmates... Desmond: “the best part jack? You’re in this place” really Desmond the BEST? And then you don’t want to tell me he loves jack?
@Rude666 You're right about everything other than "Because the flashsideways only came into existence when Juliet hit the bomb". The flash-sideways wasn't a product of the bomb. All the bomb did was send them back and resolve the incident (ala 'whatever happened, happened').
I always interpreted Eko's death as him, unlike Richard, being content with the life he had lived and not seeking any redemption. And then the manipulation part...
I never felt like any of the major mysteries weren't answered. I was very satisfied. Maybe Damon wasn't too sure about how satisfying it ended up being, but that's him. For some of us, it worked out perfectly.
JACK: It doesn't matter. DESMOND: Was she okay, the girl? JACK: It doesn't matter. DESMOND: What happened to her? JACK: It doesn't matter. DESMOND: How can you say it doesn't matter? JACK: I married her! [Jack breaks down crying.] DESMOND: Right, and you're -- you're not married to her anymore, then? [Jack lowers his gun. Desmond goes back to get his pack.] DESMOND: See you in another life, yeah?
Wonderful call back to Jack and Desmond's first meeting (on Island). First time they meet, at the stadium in LA, Jack and Desmond talk about Jack's surgery on Sara. The paralyzed patient that later marries and then divorces Jack. Jack worries that he failed in surgically correcting her paralysis. Desmond: You all right, brother? Jack: I'm fine. I'm fine. Desmond: Take it easy, keep the weight off. Here, let me look. Does this hurt? Well, you haven't sprained it, then. Don't fancy your chances of catching up, though. Jack: I wasn't trying to catch up. Desmond: Oh, aye, 'course you weren't. Jack: What do you know about sprains? Desmond: I was almost a doctor, once. Jack: Small world. Desmond: You're a doctor, then? Jack: So what's your excuse? Desmond: Excuse? Jack: For running like the Devil's chasing you? Desmond: My excuse: I'm training. Jack: Training for what? Desmond: For a race around the world. Jack: Impressive, I know. Desmond: So your excuse better be good, brother. Jack: Just trying to work a few things out. Desmond: A girl, right? Jack: A patient. Desmond: Ah, but, a girl patient. What's her name? Jack: Her name's Sarah. Desmond: What'd you do to her, then? Jack: Do to her? Desmond: You must have done something worthy of this self-flagellation. Jack: I told her... I made a promise I couldn't keep. I told her I'd fix her and I couldn't. I failed. Desmond: Well, right. Just one thing... What if you did fix her? Jack: I didn't. Desmond: But what if you did? Jack: You don't know what you're talking about. Desmond: I don't? Why not? Jack: With her situation that would be a miracle, "brother". Desmond: And you don't believe in miracles. Right. Well, then. I'm gonna give you some advice, anyway. You have to lift it up. Jack: Lift it up? Desmond: Your ankle. You got to keep it elevated. It's been nice chatting... Jack: Jack. Desmond: Jack, I'm Desmond. Well, good luck, brother. See you in another life, yeah? Interesting that Jack healed a paralyzed woman and enabled her to walk again...a seemingly miraculous outcome. John Locke paralyzed from the waist down can miraculously walk again after Oceanic 815 crashes on the Island. And Jack is a spine surgeon who was regarded as being able to work miracles. Coincidentally, the night when he failed to work such a miracle is when Sarah drops her Divorce bomb on him.
@julianzolo At its core LOST is about the characters, But the island itself was a character too, so the mysteries were important, thats why they gave us more than enough explanations and clues to understand everything about the island, But like ive said many times some people want everything explained in minute detail which would have taken away from what made LOST the best. People wonder why shows like Flashforward and The Event have failed, because the writers didnt give enough to the characte
It was a mental construct in which they were able to live out their lives again and resolve what they couldn't in life (it's a creative way of reusing the 'flashes before your eyes' concept upon death). It would seem they weren't ready to remember or to leave until they had solved some of the biggest issues first (Jack's Father issues, Locke's acceptance issue, Ben's redemption, etc.) For better reference of the whole, watch The Sixth Sense. For the final ending, refer to Titanic's.
Rewatching the series is highly recommended. After seeing season 6, a lot of things in the series take on a different meaning (for instance, Dave in season 2's 'Dave' tries to convince Hurley to jump off of the cliff and to his death. Libby was in the asylum with Hurley, following the death of her husband whose name was later revealed to be Dave. MIB can appear as the dead, such as Christian, and has tried to lead candidates to their death, such as Jack in 'White Rabbit'. Coincidence?).
@julianzolo Because Jack didnt need telling, and neither did we, They had given us many many clues as to what the light was, The writers of LOST didnt want to explain every detail to us, they wanted us to decipher clues, understand double(Sometimes triple) meanings to dialogue, discover the allegory and allusion ect. One of the biggest themes of LOST was to have freewill, Jacob stated he wanted people to find their purpose on their own, The LOST writers wanted us to understand w/o spoonfeeding
Everyone is welcome to interpret it as they would like, that's the beauty of it. However, it is clearly established in season 6's 'Across the Sea' that MIB is not the devil but a man, suffering from a horrific experience (and not the first to go through it). Eko was not a bad man, but a flawed one. As he explains in season 3's 'The Cost of Living' (shown in 'The 23rd Psalm') that he killed a man in order to save his brother's life and sacrificed his own so that his brother could be free.
If you watch the beginning of season 6, it very clearly begins with "previously on LOST", and then recaps everything leading up to Juliet hitting the bomb. Given the previous six seasons, you wouldn't exactly think that any of the previous season openers were the product of the last scene involved in the recap.
Characters in lost Jack & Kate: Main Character John: best character Sawyer: the guy everyone wants on their team Sayid & Mr Eko: most badass characters Hurley & Jin: the guy everyone loves Michael: the guy everyone hates Desmond: THE MOST IMPORTANT CHARACTER
@metsjets333 After I finished snorting milk out my nose after reading your comment, I shook my head in sadness at the poor state of the world's sarcasm detectors.
I believe jacks explaining life itself in this segment Desmond is every other person that believes life doesn’t really matter and the afterlife aka heaven is where it’s at and jacks saying I thought that once too but life is more important that we know and there is a divine purpose for each and everyone of us it can be seen from that perspective and although jacks talking about the island I believe he’s talking about life too
It's an indictment of many religious tenets because a lot of them tend to diminish the value and meaning of what happens in this mortal existence. IT MATTERS TOO. IF it did NOT, then why should Jack even bother with stopping Smokey? He should just repair things with Kate, leave the Island and live his life with her make a bunch of Jate babies and call it a day. Let Smokey corrupt the world. The world was a sh*tshow before Smokey and is one without Smokey...just ask Sayid and Sawyer. But what we do here DOES IN FACT MATTER!
Thanks for this clip, I used it in writing a chapter in 'The Philosophy of J.J. Abrams' book where I compared how time travel was treated differently between Lost and the Star Trek reboot. In the end of the chapter I had a lot to say about this particular scene and your clip posting was very helpful to me accessing it. In fact, I transcribed this scene for the chapter from this clip you posted. I owe you one. I probably should have put you in the acknowledgments. My apologies, happy to mail you a copy of the book to make up for it if you message me an address.
@smokeyhatch14 utterly and completely it a vast majority of people were so narrowminded about LOST lost on a big island lots of mysteries not much gets solved etc etc it seemed to be the only show that suffered from harsh criticisim yet no one said anything about Battlestar Galactica or other shows which goes to show how misunderstood and great it is / was :) me personally i never thought id never fall in love with a very mainstream show :D just came at the right time
@Rude666 As I previously mentioned; time paradoxes. Sayid shooting Ben is a clear case of 'whatever happened, happened' and 'you can't change the future', because it is a paradox. Juliet hitting the bomb is the same. The episode 'Dr Linus' was what immediately disestablished any idea that the flash-sideways was the result of the detonation of jughead.
@Rude666 In 'Across the Sea', mother's perspective is revealed to be that everyone contains a piece of this light and that if the island's source went out, all lights would go out everywhere. According to Widmore, Desmond was brought back because of his resistance to electromagnetism.
I think its sad that Desmond thinks that nothing matters because there is somewhere else they can go to be with the ones that they love.. the only way that comes around is because they die
This scene does seem like a metaphor of like "does anything we do in this life matters at all if we are going to heaven no matter what?" Like do our efforts matter at all here in this life, or we can just live without any efforts becuz heaven maybe exists...
@crazytalkerman remember that they disestablished the idea of it simply being an alternative universe in episode 6, 'Dr Linus', when they revealed that things were changed before the detonation of jughead. And Desmond died for a split second, hence the reason why they bothered to show what happened to the guy before him. You pick up on these things when you rewatch everything, with the knowledge attained after having seen it through once.
@Rude666 Given what Elloise said in '316', and given what happens in 'The End' when the light is removed, it meshes together to form the conclusion that, because all pockets are connected around the world, what was happening to the island in 'The End' (breaking apart) was happening around the world. It even fits with science, since electromagnetism is one of the four fundamental things responsible for keeping everything in existence together.
@CosmicUndeadElf actually, the last 10 minutes of the finale contradict that, notice that Yemi remembered everything, but the finale says that when people dies they continue to have a normal life with all their problems
He's confused because he glimpsed the flash-sideways without realizing what it was, and convinced himself that the light was the passage back to it. You notice upon rewatch that he must have died for a second following his exposure to the electromagnet, which no other living individual would have survived, so he remembers it.
@Rude666 Even if you were correct, Juliet striking the bomb shouldn't have had an affect on anyone who wasn't involved (anyone who had died prior), and considering that there are people existing in the flash-sideways (Christian, Helen, Penny, etc) who weren't ever on the island (and alive), it doesn't fit with the After "all the islands main purpose is that it holds the light in the church". And the idea of time paradoxes is that Juliet had always hit the bomb (even before the audience saw it).
Henry Cusick is half Peruvian. A half Peruvian actor Rafael Eisencraft was an extra in a movie and struck up a conversation. He tole me Henry was the kindest most down to earth actor he'd worked with.
@Rude666 In 'The End', Christian clearly states that the survivors created the flash-sideways ("this place"), meaning that it wasn't the island that was responsible. The purpose of the light within the island is explained in '316', when Elloise states that the pocket of electromagnetism contained within the island is connected to all of the other pockets in the world. In science, one of the things electromagnetism is responsible for is the production of light.
Neither of them are right or wrong. Jack says it matters. It does because if he didn’t do what he’s doing, he wouldn’t kill the man in black and wouldn’t stop the island from sinking so that the island could go on, and may in fact be a place where people in the future came and met their destiny. Without the island this couldn’t become a reality. No other place on Earth like this island existed. On the other hand Desmond is right, because in the afterlife they can live happily for eternity and not have to think about the island again and the pain and hardships in their life that were associated with it such as the people they lost, the MIB etc.
Joseph Cloutier But the peace was only achieved because of what they did in their actual lives i.e. if they failed to kill the Man in Black and never managed to save the island then Jack’s story would have been left incomplete. Desmond even says later on in the final series that Jack was right all along.
@vahnfish It's like when Charlotte Malkin (The Australian girl who Ecko met) said that she talked to Yemi while she was "between places". It's a dream reality where the spirits of the dead can appear, as we see in Locke's dreams.
I love this show, and I think the way they layered info is a masterpiece. But. BUT. This scene is an example of Desmomd being wrong about the flash-sideways with this expansioned dialog, and then Jack correcting hum with a vague "this matters" in a short few lines. If they had just made the focus flip the impact would have been so much more. LOST is one of my favorite shows of all time, but they could have hit the tone of the ending with a few notes that made it more clear to the audience that they were giving them An Answer, and make them go back and re-watch for the "Oh wow, that's what that meant!" moments.
@crazytalkerman Maybe it wasn't really Yemi but the smoke man appearing as him in a dream. Who knows, that's just one of those things that will always be a mystery about Lost.
@Rude666 The island hosts the light. It keeps the world together. The purpose is to make sure that the light remains, in other words, the purpose is to save the world. The island's purpose is not for the light in the church (the setting only being a church because during production the scene needed to be hidden from all those media-locusts who had already given away such things as the cave, the submarine explosion, and the removal of the cork).
This should have been the real ending. Them landing in a parallel timeline that saved everyones lives. The whole there are no do overs part pisses me off to this day.
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This conversation is why I think Desmond wanted to make everyone remember. On island time he saw the flashes of the afterlife and thought that was a better life, in that purgatory. So when he tells Jack nothing matters on the island, but Jack tells him that the island is the thing that matters most. Then when Desmond remembers in the afterlife, he remembers what Jack said and goes to work. Therefore, Jack is the reason Desmond "shepherds" the survivors to the church.
@Nom San I Think, the ending is Jacks point of view
Doesn’t it also seem this conversation is also having the writers talk to the fans of the show that are confused about what is actually happening. Like they are explaining to the audience that they aren’t just dead. All of this is happening and matters, like Jack says
Precisely. Everyone was so important to thi story.
I never looked at it that way, nice.
Why do all the best scenes involve Desmond? What a legend
True, but this scene is great because of jack and solely jack
Best character in Lost was Desmond
euh not really
the scene where he finds the letter in the book oh man - see you in another life brother !
I also think he has the best scenes. By that I mean his character always has the best locations and supporting lore. He introduced us to the initiative and that is my favorite character. Even though what was done is done, it would be rewarding to be a part of a futurist community.
I do respect Hurley's positive aura and how the people around him seem to develop and grow as characters.
All of it matters, Desmond just doesn't get it at that time... The reason they're together in the sideways is because "they were the most important people in each others lives" as Christian says... Why are they the most important people in each others lives? Well, because they saved the world, because they saved the light in the heart of the Island... So yeah, Jack's right, all of it matters!
krorks Thats why I dont get why Kate said "Jack just let the island sink, lets get on the plane and go" its like you realize if the island sinks there will be nowhere to go to? lol, referring to a quote "If the light goes out here it goes out everywhere"
fuk technically nothing matters
Spot on!
@@Xxrocknrollgod Both are correct. Technically nothing matters, but at the same time EVERYTHING truly does matter...that is, if you want to ultimately reach the White Light.
“...To remember...and, let go.” -Christian Shephard
@@crisrobles3425Yep, its called duality.
Hmm. Desmond was the "constant" for rest of the group, to move on from after life.
Wow.
"There are no short cuts, no do-overs...what happened, happened. Trust me...all of this matters." Best show ever made!
@Ryan Akwar No.
Hardest lessons to learn in life: No short cuts, no do overs. What happens happens, and once it does, you can't change it, you can't take back. So live deliberately and consciously aware of what you say and do and think past that moment and ask yourself would I want to take it back, would I want a do over. IF not, then proceed...and accept what comes fully and totally!
What happened was Jack just pulled his head out of his ass, however he's still finding his way around what is matter, where did Europe get it's name from? The sin that is most revered is time.
Great show , awful ending one of the worst in the history of Television
@@freshprinceoflondonss9008 I wonder why
lost is pretty much the only tv show i try not to watch clips on youtube to not over-watch it. that's how good lost is in my eyes. i wanna keep it as mystical as possible, to watch it all over again every few years. best show of all time. that short one and a half minute clip with the music in the background already started to make me feel happy and sad at the same time.
Des already knew about the Afterlife...Great scene 💜
In a sense yes. He knew he visited a different place, but he never knew what that place truly was. He thought it was what the viewers thought it was in the beginning: an alternate reality. He didn't realize he was actually jumping forward in time past his own death and experienced a new realm after death. In fact after understanding that Jack was right, he would probably live the rest of his life not ever understanding just what it was that he had experienced. Not until he actually died could he possibly realize what he had visited. Which makes it all the more fascinating a character journey.
But when Desmond jumped forward?
@@Jay-eq9gb when was it that he experienced the afterlife?
@@kbanghart In the electromagnetism experiment with widmore. He flashes to see his afterlife and then wakes up and wants to do whatever to get himself back there as he believes its connected to the high amount of electromagnetism as something similar happened when he blew up the hatch.
@@jxshwheeler oh ok I haven't seen it in a while, I'll have to rewatch
Later on. Desmond: you were right Jack. Jack: there’s a first time for everything.
Jack fought for and saved that place Desmond talked about. He fixed things and THEN let go. That's the point.
Yep the island is the afterlife (the light of the island)
That's what Locke saw on the monster on the fourth episode of the show when he tell jack that he saw something beautiful at the beginning of season 1. The monster is a man who can manipulate the afterlife energy because he was drowned on it.
In season 3 he reveal to Eko that he saw a great light in the monster. But eko was right: that's not what he saw.
" There are no shortcuts. No do-overs. What happened, happened. Trust me, I know.
All of this matters. " - Jack
@@TheAngous the island is the afterlife? I don't get that
@@kbanghart no
The island exist but inside there is the energy to go afterlife
Plen122 the ‘heart of the island’ is effectively a gateway to the afterlife
The scary thing is, is that desmond lived a moment in purgatory whilst still alive!! Scary!!!
I don't understand how people are often confused with the concept of afterlife in this show. I look in the comments and there is a huge boiling debate, I myself find it simple to understand. For all of you think they died when the plane crashed, refer to the scene in the Church for answers.
Yes sir! Also, have you checked out the Tibetan book of the Dead? That’s what the show is based on.
@@crisrobles3425not only
what Jack said is the whole series. What happened happened. Its not Purgatory or they are not dead like people seem to belive. These are people who have all gone through traumas off the island and had to learn to accept those things and move on with there lives.
And also, the light of the island = flash sideways (or after death). The man in black only want to lleave for himself. He don't care about the consequence (no afterlife).
The island protect the afterlife, but the island is REAL.
That's what many people don't understand. They didn't died since the beginning after the crash, they just "landed" in the front door of the death.
So the island is purgatory? Yes in a way, but it 'exist". They didn"t die, if so, they resurrect when they leave the island at season 4?
+Boulbi Boulga Finally, someone gets it. I get frustrated trying to explain this to friends who either believe that they all died in the crash or that Jack was only trying to save the island itself at the end.
+Boulbi Boulga Wait... what!?
The last chapter and Desmond still didn't get that his consciousness traveled into the future to the afterlife. Gotta love him.
You're right! I actually watched the entire 6 seasons within a span of two months so I was able to make the connections with all previous episodes and realized that the directors were dropping answers here and there about the Island. It's imaginable that if a person watched season 2 and then season 3 after a 5-6 month gap then of course they would forget the nitty gritty details that were in the previous seasons. So its about the characters but the answers are also there...if you look :)
I need to watch Lost again. Haven’t seen much of it for 10-15 years.
They skip 4 years after Season 4 and 5 with flashforwards
"I tried that once" referring to the season 5 finale. "No do-overs, Trust me I know" referring to his regret in getting Juliet killed. Incredible scene.
Typical and misinformed response. Jack never killed Juliet. Sawyer was responsible. She wanted to leave the island but he asked her to stay. In the end Juliet got herself killed because of skater looks, Sawyer toward Kate. Typical and meaningless filler drama. The interesting take away Jack thinks it's his fault. Isn't that who he is through out the show.
@@TomOnTheRun thank you, finally someone who tells the truth
@@TomOnTheRun Sure you can split hairs and say Jack didn't kill her, and you're right. She is a grown woman who makes her own decisions. Jack did however advocate, and persuade people into thinking the bomb was the end all be all. When I say "regret in getting Juliet killed" I also sorta meant the entirety of season 5. It was him who felt empty inside, urged people to return to the island, and go with a suicidal mission. Everyone is responsible for their own decisions, all I was saying is Jack felt guilt for being a driving force. Thats what the no do-overs meant, he was wrong about season 5 "do-over"ing the initial crash.
@@marty13612it had to happen
Man , i love this show , they were all awesome , but Desmond , Ben and John , just WOW
Most important/telling convo on LOST!
The monster killed Eko because Eko was no longer any use to him. His death compares with the situation of Richard in 'Ab Aeterno', where MIB tried to manipulate him using his faith in order to have him kill Jacob (which he has tried with multiple other individuals). Unlike Richard, Eko revealed to MIB (who appeared as Yemi) that he was content with what he had done, that he feared no consequence and sought no redemption, therefore MIB had nothing to use to manipulate him - and killed him for it.
@Wadsy They say guilt, shame, regret, remorse all are signs of an active conscience whereby we wish we had done things differently so as not to have the adverse impact on others (and ourselves...mostly insofar as how our actions impact others). Perhaps Eko showed no signs of such conscience, even though he killed people ruthlessly and poison people with drugs and this excluded him from being a candidate. And then there was nothing that Smokey could exploit to manipulate Eko...and thus IT killed Eko.
No he died because the actor wanted off the show lol
@@bobdole4432 and then wrote this ending for his character, something they revisited in season 6 with the parallel of Richard experience with the monster in ‘Ab Aeterno’.
nice interpretation. However, the writers had no idea in season 3 that the smoke monster was M.I.B. They crafted his character from season 5 and pasted it onto the smoke monster to explain it away. Unfortunately for them, it made the first 4 seasons smoke monster make no sense.
This has been confirmed by people who worked/wrote/directed/produced the show. They had NO idea what the smoke monster was in season 1. At all.
They didn't even know what was going to be in the hatch when Locke first discovered it 😂
@@DannyOmu It's irrelevant whether or not the character was firmly established during the events of season 3 or earlier, the series was written over the course of several years as is everything on television.
Desmond might be my fave, god I love this show still.
Classic!!
"All of this matters."
So true.
they didn't ALL die on the island. A few others lived out their lives and died later on like anyone else would
They where always in purgatory they all dead on the plane or on the island there mostnomportant time in their lives is when they where together ..x x x x x x
@@cabahab2996 That is categorically not true. If you watched the show you would understand that you are wrong.
First the crash. Then their lives. Then their afterlives. This is not up for debate.
Im not American, it took so long to figure out that jack, with "do-overs" talked about time travel, and desmond talked about after life, thanks to his vision.
It's 2021 and we're talking watching and thinking about lost
Hello fellow Lost Fan.
@@danielking6426 see you in another life brotha
Jack learned very well his lessons
@Rude666 they were both right. Desmond did eventually find a way to bring jack there. Not in the way he, or we were thinking at the time, but he brought the Jack on the island to the jack in the other world, by getting Jack ro remember his life on the island.
Desmond was by far my favourite character.
It's intense that some things only really touch you years later. "There are no do-overs"... This show hits much harder when you've aged a bit and went through a bunch of pain.
but he doesnt really get what Desmond is telling. In the context of the show Desmond is right and Jack is wrong in the end when they are reunited again.
Love Desmonds theme. Beautiful
He explains it....
Next time you watch something, pay the fuck attention.
Lol is not just paying attention, after years I forgot a lot of details so I have to watch it again.
I’ve seen LOST 3 times now and I really think the fact that people had to wait a week between episodes and months between seasons is one of the main reasons they didn’t get any of it.
When you can just binge the show and watch 5+ episodes at a time every day or every other day, it all makes such clear sense but I do believe those waits probably ruined it for a lot of people while it was on air because clearly they either forgot things or like you said, didn’t really pay attention.
You seemed happy ❤️
For those who don't understood: Desmond was wrong and Jack was right in this discussion.
-Desmond saw the afterlife (that's what the energy of the island is, that's what the island contain (but Desmond didn't clearly understood fully what it was)
-Jack understood that protecting the light matters (even if he don't know what that is) . The monster wants to become human again, so he had to destroy the island energy to undone everything related to the power of the island (the "monster transformation" for example).
Widmore and Hawking said "we are all dead if we don't stop the monster" they are right. MIB won't do anything (he will be human) BUT the afterlife would be gone
But it didn't matter , they found each other , both were right , jack as man of science and Desmond as man of intuition (similar to Locke ) Both were right and wrong , all of this matters and none of it mattered
@@CoconutyorkieYes but he didnt get it.
Definitely one of my favorite scenes from the finale.
These two are hetero-soulmates... Desmond: “the best part jack? You’re in this place” really Desmond the BEST? And then you don’t want to tell me he loves jack?
Great scene, with a cool message hidden beneath lines.
Jesus I watched this show 3 times through over the years. I never put this part together. I guess finding new stuff is why enjoy watching it
I love this scene so much. What they both said was true, but they just didn’t know it at the time.
I love how you can find comments from 11 yrs ago to now, Lost : timeless ❤
Right!
Samee
@@kingkupje934 prefiero ser tonta a impertinente
@Rude666 You're right about everything other than "Because the flashsideways only came into existence when Juliet hit the bomb".
The flash-sideways wasn't a product of the bomb. All the bomb did was send them back and resolve the incident (ala 'whatever happened, happened').
Its desmond change of perspective and ability to see both worlds made him believe he could do anything, so he goes into the cave
Thanks me!
I always interpreted Eko's death as him, unlike Richard, being content with the life he had lived and not seeking any redemption. And then the manipulation part...
I never felt like any of the major mysteries weren't answered. I was very satisfied. Maybe Damon wasn't too sure about how satisfying it ended up being, but that's him. For some of us, it worked out perfectly.
JACK: It doesn't matter.
DESMOND: Was she okay, the girl?
JACK: It doesn't matter.
DESMOND: What happened to her?
JACK: It doesn't matter.
DESMOND: How can you say it doesn't matter?
JACK: I married her! [Jack breaks down crying.]
DESMOND: Right, and you're -- you're not married to her anymore, then?
[Jack lowers his gun. Desmond goes back to get his pack.]
DESMOND: See you in another life, yeah?
Love coming back here after a while and still see new comments about this series.
Wonderful call back to Jack and Desmond's first meeting (on Island).
First time they meet, at the stadium in LA, Jack and Desmond talk about Jack's surgery on Sara. The paralyzed patient that later marries and then divorces Jack. Jack worries that he failed in surgically correcting her paralysis.
Desmond: You all right, brother?
Jack: I'm fine. I'm fine.
Desmond: Take it easy, keep the weight off. Here, let me look. Does this hurt? Well, you haven't sprained it, then. Don't fancy your chances of catching up, though.
Jack: I wasn't trying to catch up.
Desmond: Oh, aye, 'course you weren't.
Jack: What do you know about sprains?
Desmond: I was almost a doctor, once.
Jack: Small world.
Desmond: You're a doctor, then?
Jack: So what's your excuse?
Desmond: Excuse?
Jack: For running like the Devil's chasing you?
Desmond: My excuse: I'm training.
Jack: Training for what?
Desmond: For a race around the world.
Jack: Impressive, I know.
Desmond: So your excuse better be good, brother.
Jack: Just trying to work a few things out.
Desmond: A girl, right?
Jack: A patient.
Desmond: Ah, but, a girl patient. What's her name?
Jack: Her name's Sarah.
Desmond: What'd you do to her, then?
Jack: Do to her?
Desmond: You must have done something worthy of this self-flagellation.
Jack: I told her... I made a promise I couldn't keep. I told her I'd fix her and I couldn't. I failed.
Desmond: Well, right. Just one thing... What if you did fix her?
Jack: I didn't.
Desmond: But what if you did?
Jack: You don't know what you're talking about.
Desmond: I don't? Why not?
Jack: With her situation that would be a miracle, "brother".
Desmond: And you don't believe in miracles. Right. Well, then. I'm gonna give you some advice, anyway. You have to lift it up.
Jack: Lift it up?
Desmond: Your ankle. You got to keep it elevated. It's been nice chatting...
Jack: Jack.
Desmond: Jack, I'm Desmond. Well, good luck, brother. See you in another life, yeah?
Interesting that Jack healed a paralyzed woman and enabled her to walk again...a seemingly miraculous outcome. John Locke paralyzed from the waist down can miraculously walk again after Oceanic 815 crashes on the Island. And Jack is a spine surgeon who was regarded as being able to work miracles. Coincidentally, the night when he failed to work such a miracle is when Sarah drops her Divorce bomb on him.
@julianzolo At its core LOST is about the characters, But the island itself was a character too, so the mysteries were important, thats why they gave us more than enough explanations and clues to understand everything about the island, But like ive said many times some people want everything explained in minute detail which would have taken away from what made LOST the best. People wonder why shows like Flashforward and The Event have failed, because the writers didnt give enough to the characte
It was a mental construct in which they were able to live out their lives again and resolve what they couldn't in life (it's a creative way of reusing the 'flashes before your eyes' concept upon death). It would seem they weren't ready to remember or to leave until they had solved some of the biggest issues first (Jack's Father issues, Locke's acceptance issue, Ben's redemption, etc.)
For better reference of the whole, watch The Sixth Sense. For the final ending, refer to Titanic's.
I think they were both right. I do want to acknowledge that Sawyer was one of the first who said “Whatever happened, happened”.
None of this matters. thats what i say before any exam while crying in despair
Thank you for clearing that up.
Rewatching the series is highly recommended. After seeing season 6, a lot of things in the series take on a different meaning (for instance, Dave in season 2's 'Dave' tries to convince Hurley to jump off of the cliff and to his death. Libby was in the asylum with Hurley, following the death of her husband whose name was later revealed to be Dave. MIB can appear as the dead, such as Christian, and has tried to lead candidates to their death, such as Jack in 'White Rabbit'. Coincidence?).
@julianzolo Because Jack didnt need telling, and neither did we, They had given us many many clues as to what the light was, The writers of LOST didnt want to explain every detail to us, they wanted us to decipher clues, understand double(Sometimes triple) meanings to dialogue, discover the allegory and allusion ect. One of the biggest themes of LOST was to have freewill, Jacob stated he wanted people to find their purpose on their own, The LOST writers wanted us to understand w/o spoonfeeding
Everyone is welcome to interpret it as they would like, that's the beauty of it. However, it is clearly established in season 6's 'Across the Sea' that MIB is not the devil but a man, suffering from a horrific experience (and not the first to go through it).
Eko was not a bad man, but a flawed one. As he explains in season 3's 'The Cost of Living' (shown in 'The 23rd Psalm') that he killed a man in order to save his brother's life and sacrificed his own so that his brother could be free.
If you watch the beginning of season 6, it very clearly begins with "previously on LOST", and then recaps everything leading up to Juliet hitting the bomb. Given the previous six seasons, you wouldn't exactly think that any of the previous season openers were the product of the last scene involved in the recap.
This. This right here is I think a kind of enlightenment.
Characters in lost
Jack & Kate: Main Character
John: best character
Sawyer: the guy everyone wants on their team
Sayid & Mr Eko: most badass characters
Hurley & Jin: the guy everyone loves
Michael: the guy everyone hates
Desmond: THE MOST IMPORTANT CHARACTER
This is a nice sense in this show love it ❤💜
A dance of letting go and holding on. How to find the balance?
It was relevant to the people outside the island, imagine the real world with the smoke monster.
Think Desmond would appreciate being stuck on a huge space station in his next life?
There are no shortcuts. No do-overs. What happened, happened. Trust me, I know.
All of this matters.
Unless you shift into a parallel reality haha
@metsjets333 After I finished snorting milk out my nose after reading your comment, I shook my head in sadness at the poor state of the world's sarcasm detectors.
Yeah it does matter, I AM.
I believe jacks explaining life itself in this segment Desmond is every other person that believes life doesn’t really matter and the afterlife aka heaven is where it’s at and jacks saying I thought that once too but life is more important that we know and there is a divine purpose for each and everyone of us it can be seen from that perspective and although jacks talking about the island I believe he’s talking about life too
It's an indictment of many religious tenets because a lot of them tend to diminish the value and meaning of what happens in this mortal existence. IT MATTERS TOO. IF it did NOT, then why should Jack even bother with stopping Smokey? He should just repair things with Kate, leave the Island and live his life with her make a bunch of Jate babies and call it a day. Let Smokey corrupt the world. The world was a sh*tshow before Smokey and is one without Smokey...just ask Sayid and Sawyer.
But what we do here DOES IN FACT MATTER!
desmond have flasbacks,prescience and flash sideways premonitions wow!
Thanks for this clip, I used it in writing a chapter in 'The Philosophy of J.J. Abrams' book where I compared how time travel was treated differently between Lost and the Star Trek reboot. In the end of the chapter I had a lot to say about this particular scene and your clip posting was very helpful to me accessing it. In fact, I transcribed this scene for the chapter from this clip you posted. I owe you one. I probably should have put you in the acknowledgments. My apologies, happy to mail you a copy of the book to make up for it if you message me an address.
This show is the best one ever made!!!!
huh? the Island is not purgatory, everything happened.
The only thing they needed to elaborate more on in the show is Walt. All those other ones are easily answered.
@smokeyhatch14 utterly and completely it a vast majority of people were so narrowminded about LOST lost on a big island lots of mysteries not much gets solved etc etc it seemed to be the only show that suffered from harsh criticisim yet no one said anything about Battlestar Galactica or other shows which goes to show how misunderstood and great it is / was :) me personally i never thought id never fall in love with a very mainstream show :D just came at the right time
Desmond is prophet
@Rude666 As I previously mentioned; time paradoxes. Sayid shooting Ben is a clear case of 'whatever happened, happened' and 'you can't change the future', because it is a paradox. Juliet hitting the bomb is the same.
The episode 'Dr Linus' was what immediately disestablished any idea that the flash-sideways was the result of the detonation of jughead.
@Rude666 In 'Across the Sea', mother's perspective is revealed to be that everyone contains a piece of this light and that if the island's source went out, all lights would go out everywhere.
According to Widmore, Desmond was brought back because of his resistance to electromagnetism.
I think its sad that Desmond thinks that nothing matters because there is somewhere else they can go to be with the ones that they love.. the only way that comes around is because they die
This scene does seem like a metaphor of like "does anything we do in this life matters at all if we are going to heaven no matter what?" Like do our efforts matter at all here in this life, or we can just live without any efforts becuz heaven maybe exists...
They said that the island was not purgatory, and it wasn't. Therefore, they didn't lie.
lost, i miss you.
@windowsclassic It's not purgatory but it's the place after death... so call it what you wish.
@crazytalkerman remember that they disestablished the idea of it simply being an alternative universe in episode 6, 'Dr Linus', when they revealed that things were changed before the detonation of jughead.
And Desmond died for a split second, hence the reason why they bothered to show what happened to the guy before him. You pick up on these things when you rewatch everything, with the knowledge attained after having seen it through once.
@Rude666 Given what Elloise said in '316', and given what happens in 'The End' when the light is removed, it meshes together to form the conclusion that, because all pockets are connected around the world, what was happening to the island in 'The End' (breaking apart) was happening around the world. It even fits with science, since electromagnetism is one of the four fundamental things responsible for keeping everything in existence together.
such an emotional scene, in my eyes that explains the whole sideways purgatory side.
love it
@CosmicUndeadElf actually, the last 10 minutes of the finale contradict that, notice that Yemi remembered everything, but the finale says that when people dies they continue to have a normal life with all their problems
He's confused because he glimpsed the flash-sideways without realizing what it was, and convinced himself that the light was the passage back to it. You notice upon rewatch that he must have died for a second following his exposure to the electromagnet, which no other living individual would have survived, so he remembers it.
@Rude666 Even if you were correct, Juliet striking the bomb shouldn't have had an affect on anyone who wasn't involved (anyone who had died prior), and considering that there are people existing in the flash-sideways (Christian, Helen, Penny, etc) who weren't ever on the island (and alive), it doesn't fit with the After "all the islands main purpose is that it holds the light in the church".
And the idea of time paradoxes is that Juliet had always hit the bomb (even before the audience saw it).
@crazytalkerman Except when your entire TV show is based around the afterlife, then yes them all dying is important. The finale was amazing!
Henry Cusick is half Peruvian. A half Peruvian actor Rafael Eisencraft was an extra in a movie and struck up a conversation. He tole me Henry was the kindest most down to earth actor he'd worked with.
"trust me i know" maaaan i cry
Makes a lot of sense now.
how ironic is that Desmonds and jack conversation about a place after life like jacob and mid talked about over the scene is the SAME conversation xD
@Rude666 In 'The End', Christian clearly states that the survivors created the flash-sideways ("this place"), meaning that it wasn't the island that was responsible.
The purpose of the light within the island is explained in '316', when Elloise states that the pocket of electromagnetism contained within the island is connected to all of the other pockets in the world. In science, one of the things electromagnetism is responsible for is the production of light.
Neither of them are right or wrong. Jack says it matters. It does because if he didn’t do what he’s doing, he wouldn’t kill the man in black and wouldn’t stop the island from sinking so that the island could go on, and may in fact be a place where people in the future came and met their destiny. Without the island this couldn’t become a reality. No other place on Earth like this island existed. On the other hand Desmond is right, because in the afterlife they can live happily for eternity and not have to think about the island again and the pain and hardships in their life that were associated with it such as the people they lost, the MIB etc.
Joseph Cloutier But the peace was only achieved because of what they did in their actual lives i.e. if they failed to kill the Man in Black and never managed to save the island then Jack’s story would have been left incomplete. Desmond even says later on in the final series that Jack was right all along.
@vahnfish It's like when Charlotte Malkin (The Australian girl who Ecko met) said that she talked to Yemi while she was "between places". It's a dream reality where the spirits of the dead can appear, as we see in Locke's dreams.
it feels like a combination of eternal recurrence and learning to love pain of life. to know that pain doesnt matter
I love this show, and I think the way they layered info is a masterpiece. But. BUT. This scene is an example of Desmomd being wrong about the flash-sideways with this expansioned dialog, and then Jack correcting hum with a vague "this matters" in a short few lines. If they had just made the focus flip the impact would have been so much more. LOST is one of my favorite shows of all time, but they could have hit the tone of the ending with a few notes that made it more clear to the audience that they were giving them An Answer, and make them go back and re-watch for the "Oh wow, that's what that meant!" moments.
Desmond was a Legend 😊
@crazytalkerman Maybe it wasn't really Yemi but the smoke man appearing as him in a dream. Who knows, that's just one of those things that will always be a mystery about Lost.
@Rude666 The island hosts the light. It keeps the world together. The purpose is to make sure that the light remains, in other words, the purpose is to save the world.
The island's purpose is not for the light in the church (the setting only being a church because during production the scene needed to be hidden from all those media-locusts who had already given away such things as the cave, the submarine explosion, and the removal of the cork).
Two the most beautiful characters on Lost - only true humanists on this island I think
whaaawhoah! i forgot about this scene, desmond spot on about the series finale
@Rude666 um, well, i kinda meant the after life, the church they end up at.. "youre in this place."
In a way, they're both right.
This should have been the real ending. Them landing in a parallel timeline that saved everyones lives. The whole there are no do overs part pisses me off to this day.
Ive answered them about 100 times, I see no point doing it again.