The Mandela Debate - Did the Mandela government set South Africa up to fail?
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2024
- On Human Rights Day 2018, a number of panelists were debating and discussing whether the 1990 negotiations and concessions set democratic South Africa up for failure.
Ouitstanding articulation from the first speaker whose deep thinking, intelligent articulation abour South Africa's direction. Truly impressed; this man is the future of an all embracing and inclusive South Africa. Bravo.
His name is Dr. Sizwe Mpofu-Welsh
Very true Mr Fulton Swize is a good and logically speaker
There will never be such a thing as an all embracing and inclusive SA.Whites will either be gone, dispossessed, or killed within a generation. Black hate and envy are powerful. And then SA will fall to the African mean standard of living: poverty, hunger and corruption.
He sold us out from within the time of him being in prison the opress became the OPPRESSORS what DEMOCRACY ALL PLANED NADA ONLY THE IMMORALITY ACT WAS GONE WHAT ABOUT R.D.P CUM IN DIFFRENT AREAS NO JOBS FOR US BEE.FOR WHOS POCKETS ONLY WHAT ABOUT SUPOSEDLY TRANSPARENCY NADA WE CAN GO ON OUR CHANGE OF I.D.BOOK NO DIFF OF THE DOM PASS WHOS FAULT WHOS CRIME ITS WORST SO THE ANC HOLISTICALLY FAILED ALL
Was never a rainbow nation WHAT WAS THE USE HIS EYES CUD SEE BUT HE WAS BLIND WITHIN
"Our problems are other people's fault"
When we think our problems are other people’s fault, we look for them to change. We make ourselves victims and immobilize ourselves with this thinking. We can't change the past, we can't change how others think, the only thing you can actually change is how you think. Change comes from within.
You can point all the fingers you want, but as long as the explosive birth rates continue without the economy and infrastructure being able to handle it, trouble is forthcoming.
Beautiful comment…even if you are correct that someone else has harmed you or your country keeping your focus there gives you an excuse to fail instead of a path to success.
Couldn’t have said it better
I hear that young lady's point. If I were to rephrase it it would be "What would be the point of acquiring land with the current corrupt system which would; from their record these past years; use it for self interest and instead of the interests of the people?"
It sounds like she has no faith in the system (and current black leadership) to carry out the intentions of expropriating land.
The Stalin example is a bad one though. If that's her observation I respect it but I disagree with it.
Lebogang (speaker no. 2)
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We need more of these gatherings, there are a lot of shanangans in our so called rainbow nation. A gateway to hell was opened, and unless and until we challenge the status quo, nothing will change.
We can't breathe!
Question do you think in 2023 that South Africa has changed since this video from 2018
Can we have a continuation on this debate. It is not only educational it also creates a platform for dialogue from all facets of the south African populous. Please keep it going. Thanks a lot.
All started when Dube and frnds went to America. Mandela was Ngu fronter . Naye wavuma due money money thing
Eyooo Lebogang hands up I bow down you Represented Black people &woman of Africa Extraordinary,Exceptionally Syabonga we proud of keep up the good fight.Sizwe you too brother excellent!!!!
Nelson Mandela was a Knight of Malta, explains everything.
That the knights of malta is never mentioned with regards to south africas leadership is completely astounding....this society into which world leaders are secretly invited is totally shocking,what are south africas leaders doing in there....who are they serving...what oaths have they sworn to these people...while being the legal representatives of the country....while the wealth of the nation is being sucked out
Sister Lebohang Phekó! U Truly Say It Like It Réally Is.
True statement: Mandela left us with a beginning not an end - Karima
Thats what I am talking about
@@nkosilindilemasuku4295 Imagine where the country would be if the system under black management ran efficiently, not perfectly, but efficiently...
@@Skurafaso Far much better than whats happening right now
A golden door with a big white padlock , it’s a start
Rest in Peace Karima, South Africa has lost an icon in political journalism
At least she was honest when she said "I think for me it's really hard to be a South African because the challenge we face don't have easy answers. They require a kind of honesty and reflection that is often against one's own class, interests, family interests or generations interests....
We need to get out of our comfort zones and really get to grips with what genuine transformation is all about, I bet you its about ourselves giving up power as well."
This was mind blowing
The speaker had some good points, although I really think he is leaning on the power of hindsight a bit too much. 1994 wasn’t woke 2020. War was looming. Mandela averted it
'No one remembers how the ex helped them change for the better if the current girlfriend/boyfriend is giving them flowers.' If we were still living nice like the Mbeki era we wouldn't be having this conversation, Lebo/Sizwe would be outliers, and we would say to them as true Africans do 'xola sisi/bhutu'. Because nothing can bring back those whom were lost to the struggle or the time and sacrifices our grandparents made for us to have some form of freedom.
lebohang pheko...great black female minds
straight fire
African
Kzn he
The most important debate about Nelson Mandela, ANC, and the present plight of black people in South Africa. Thanks.
Sizwe, you the creme del creme, please do more of this sessions. South Africa is in dire need of this sort of information.
"Apartheid didn't die, it was privatized" Exactly what Ramaphosa is currently doing in the government.
When part of Eskom began to be privatized to white elites, that was not a good stance, Now they are sabotaging the black government with power shedding which mostly affects black poor people in South Africa.
Mandela is so overrated... Seretse Khama was 100× better than that guy.
Seretse Khama was compromised. He had a white wife
Audience member asks: When I look back what exactly as a young South African have I achieved? I don't see anything because a lot of things are stacked against me as a young black person.
My response: I cannot answer that question for you... You've had +24 years, what have you done with your time?
This question removes responsibility from youth and places it all on the government.
Nelson Mandela and his wife Winnie had fought, suffered every kind of injustice, treated like no bodies for a better South Africa. With all the injustices these people suffered they don't need to hand anything on platter to any body. Every sensible South African should take up a torch to make their contribution to the betterment of the country. I don't know first hand the struggles of Africa but what I've read is enough for me me to say as a young South African read your history and continue the fight. Life was oppressive for the Mandela's but they sacrificed their everything for their people and better doesn't come overnight so the fight and the struggle to continues...
@@angellacohen1800 I share your sentiments. But in times like these (freedom and peace) we need to realise the fight is different.
One could say we are the foundational generation- first out of Apartheid and so the going will be tough for us. But our mission now is to make sure we grow in every aspect as much as we can and set up things for the next generation.
To fold your hands for +24years and then complain about 'things being stacked against you' is no excuse. As the student said, there are people he is in school with right now that will not take the opportunity they have seriously and then in 24 years time complain that 'things are stacked against them as black people.'
I'll have you know things are stacked against everyone born after Apartheid. Because this bigoted government cares about nothing but it's own agenda. From a white guys perspective, 28 years today, Black people have been running the show they vote for all these bias assholes who don't even care about their voters, but are always there to shove victim rhetoric down everyones throats and how they need to fight for a struggle, that doesn't actually exist. It's been 28 years, the nation is worse off than ever and you wanna blame other people again? Make laws to spite them? Take their assets because of their skin colour?
They can't govern and build a successful nation to save their lives so its easier to just take from others, and to do so, they suckered all their voters into still believing their being oppressed somehow, when they are the oppressor. EFF and ANC and former BLF. Fabricate a struggle to make themselves relevant and to gain political power. But looking at Africa's history, this shit has played out for decades, over and over, and Africa has gotten nowhere, and now the majority are voting for the very people who will lead them down the path to make those very same mistakes. Instead of teaching them the value of education, self Improvement, to build a future. But that's not whats happening at all. Infact the education system is all but shot, so now you have easily influenced fools going by what the government tells them to believe. Who are so easily trigger than a white person saying the wrong word is shat on by the entire God damn country, but the EFF is allowed to be openly racist.
Untill the majority doesn't let go of this victim mindset, thinking there's always some struggle, we'll never get anywhere because nations are not built by victims, but pioneers. Far too few of these idiots understand that, and the few who do, are just gonna go unheard like most all minorities who's vote is drowned out by all other idiot voter, voting for all the wrong reasons.
You know how any of us young folks get jobs anymore? By being lucky enough to know someone, or by simply leaving the country, because where else can we go? I myself have more qualifications than most people in this country, but I've spent longer being unemployed because this country doesn't want me, nor does it have any place for me. So I will leave, like so many others, and SA will rot. The great brain drain SA has been going through these past couple years and it's getting worse.
And frankly, I don't give a fk, only that when all the intelligent people leave, whatever ethnicity they may be good luck to them, and only idiots are gonna be left, the same idiots who think the shit the EFF spews is somehow gonna fix everything. The idiocy of so many of the people in this country, makes me wanna chew my own God damn wrist off.
Besides, the people today don't give a damn about Mandela, because had they, they would've headed his words, instead they vote for racist radicals who now teach them they they must take, and murder and not tolerate anything that isn't genuinely African. It's also clear that, these victims have very selective memory and only remember spesifc events to justify all their actions, while ignoring all the hypocrisy and double standards, and the people who actually helped them, many of them being the very people they are taught to spite today. These idiots have all been lead astray so much they can't recall anything accurately anymore. I'll have you know that much of this, is kinda obvious to most minorities. But, we get spoken down to and spoken of by a people who don't know us at all, only defining us by historical events, unaware of the fact that people change.
What happened to such discussions? We need more.
Lebogang Pheko has always been a good orator, she presents her facts eloquently. Ba le mo itseng, let her know that I am a fan
"30,40,50 later we are still being mowed down by people who look like us, which shows that white interest can indeed metamorphosis and wear a black face" She says it like it is.
In addition to that a lady in the audience went on to say "I think we need to sit down and reflect why we want to please the world instead of the people of South Africa. That is where the pretentious Kumbaya comes in.
Sizwe was very though provoking and Ma lebohang Pheko was something else, what a power house.
That young man said it best, it's not the government's job to educate us.
But it’s the government’s job to ensure you are comfortable enough to focus on education
@@rykson161 We are the government as we are the ones who put them in power. our blunder comes from folding arms after we have elected them.
YES. No one was punished for apartheid. There was only forgiveness. Forgiveness is a sign of weakness in European culture but it’s a sign of respect in African culture. In African culture when someone forgives you you feel as if you owe them but in European culture you are looked down upon. I believe either people involved in apartheid should have been punished or expelled from the country. This would be justice. However because of the injustice of no punishment we are disrespected today and our descendants will be disrespected because we didn’t take the decisive action needed to put this to an end.
I think the younger generation will correct the injustices of apartheid crimes
Lol. Yeah, that's why African "cultures" have ten times the homicide rate of western cultures-- because Africans are so forgiving. 🤣
The first guy's suggestion that violent blacks in South Africa are so because the white politicians who enacted Apartheid weren't punished is beyond hilarious. As is his assertion that whites enjoy a lack of accountability in society. Is that why black violent crime rates in SA are sky high and white violent crime rates are very low? What encourages blacks to be violent is the victim mentality and racial grievance this guy is promoting-- telling black people that they're oppressed and that white people are racist and holding them down, and that they aren't accountable for their own failings.
"Anger is an ever oppressive mindset that will drive you into trenches without a thorough sense of judgement"
Madiba choce what was best for the entire country. It was a difficult decision but he managed to use true foresight instead of being possesed and driven by anger. Could the poor hard working individual become even more poorer? No...Would free non-corrupt black leaders be in the position to further improve the lifes of the majority despite white monopoly stl present in the country? Yes. ...Those who think South Africa would of succeeded economically or even democratically without the white backed international private sector are simply letting their emotions and decade's of oppression control their understanding of our current world. It's not difficult to look at examples throughout Africa and Latin America to see the continued suffering populations fall into after failing to understand that the world is not a simple scripted fairytale once taking over power. Even more so as South Africa is difussed with systemic corrupt black leadership. Mandela made the right decision, to further empower his people, though it's up to the citizen's and future leaders to further improve his ideology....This is why Madiba will forever be idolized. It's easy to go into war with an enemy yet it takes true courage and psychological strength to reconcile and forsee a better future despite the chronic traumatic heart aching pain reminding you of the past.
Why when the land topic sparks up.. White people get angry?? So don't play mind tricks with us, don't talk Nonsense!!!
Mandela kept us poor no land economy freedom just working class
As long as it keeps your wite people in charge and the blk poor, right?
Like Mozambican and Angola!!! That is so true!!!
I may not have deep knowledge to be eligible as participant to the motion being debated. Nevertheless, I know one thing. Times are changing. While in the past epoch weapons to repel aggression were violent, modern day aggression can be held back by a combination of moral authority and intellect. Struggles for total emancipation in a world full of currents and eddies without the said modern day weaponry will be endless. I dare say Tata Mandela managed to set a spring board from where the intellectually and morally versed youngsters can sprung from to attain good times. It is on record that liberation of the minds will do away with inequities and other such like vices infecting our societies.
Discussions are good, trying to lay blame somewhere else not good. Introspection, accepting individual responsibility, to focus on the future & to act positively are what is required.
mandela joined the spice girls nuff said. lets talk about chris hani. thats the real conversation we are too afraid to have.
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Yep, there is no intellectual honesty in south africa.
debates all the time, expensive english... Tired of all that nonsense, When is time for action?
The ANC gave too much. The white people, the villains gave literally nothing. The TRC equating the victims and the villains was the worst yet best evidence of how ridiculous the ANC behaved.
"“When we see a black man who is constantly being praised by white people, begin to suspect him. When we see a black man gets honors and all sorts of decorations and the United States flatters him with fine words and phrases, immediately suspect that person. Because our experience has taught us that the Americans and Europeans not exalt to any black man that is really working for the benefits of the black man.” (Malcolm X). This utterance made by Malcolm X is relevant to Nelson Mandela and Desmond Tutu.
Only fools deified the "turncoat" Nelson Mandela (native lieutenant of the dutch afrikaaners and their euro-american collaborators). The real shereos and hereos of the black struggle against the white supremacists (including their euro-american collaborators) are people like Winnie Mandela, Steve Biko, Fidel Castro, Chris Hani, Robert Sobukwe, Zephania Mothopeng, King Cetshwayo, Japtha Masemola (who spent 28 yrs at Robin Island and subsequently murdered by the white supremacists 7 months after his release from Robin Island ) , all of the young people who were slain in mass protests action (Sharpeville, Soweto etc) against the fascists-racist white regime who unlike the "turncoat" Nelson Mandela (including his male successors in the ANC-Cyril Ramaphosa ; fake trade unionist who was the principal instigator of police brutality against the striking miners at marikana (2012), Thabo Mbeki and Jacob Zuma) were not committed to betraying the people in their struggle by putting the corporate interests of the architects of apartheid above the MAIN OBJECTIVE of liberating south afrika from the tentacles of white supremacy. What is the right to vote worth without ECONOMIC POWER ??? What can you do with a dead battery ??? What transformation can occur without the possession of POWER ??? Political independence without ECONOMIC POWER is independence without substance AND this the REAL SITUATION with many of the Berlin Conference states in Afrika.
The ANC under the leadership of Nelson Mandela lack the courage to do the right thing but instead opted to do what was what was acceptable for white people . The Nelson Mandela led government was more about appeasing their white oppressors than bringing real justice to the black populace in south afrika. It is therefore not surprising that the ARIELS (including Nelson Mandela) from the ANC incorporated the flag that represented the white racist tyrannical regime in the new flag of south afrika AND are now referring to homeless and landless black people in SA as squatters while they allow the white usurpers in SA to control 70% of the land and have complete control of their mineral resources. While De Klerk the leader of the white usurpers/supremacists in south afrika had the courage to uncompromisingly insist “I do not intend to negotiate myself out of power” the gutless ARIELS from the ANC could only pursue a “forget the past” policy via the fraud “Truth and Reconciliation” committee. to exonerate AND appease the white psychopaths of their crimes against black people. Hence, it is no wonder that they implemented the ridiculous “wiling seller willing buyer” land policy to reclaim back some of the land from these white usurpers (which conflicts with the so-called ANC Freedom Charter as stated below).
"The national wealth of our country, the heritage of South Africans, shall be restored to the people; the mineral wealth beneath the soil; the banks and monopoly industries shall be transferred to the ownership of the people as a whole; all other industries and trade shall be controlled to assist the well-being of the people."
On the matter of reconciliation is it the Creator who reconciles him/herself with the sinner/transgressor or is it NOT the duty of the sinner/transgressor to reconcile (make things right) with the Creator ? To pursue unity at all cost to appease one's oppressor without some form of compensation (reparatory justice) is an act of wickedness and betrayal to the victims of exploitation/oppression. Freedom cannot be given, it will ALWAYS take a REVOLUTION to make a solution.
DEEEEEEEEP...!! STRONG THOUGHT... I hope to read more from you...
lancelot wilson. hell yes..you hit the nail right on the head...very true...Malcolm X had a certain way to speak that was uncluttered and crystal clear in truth
Thought provoking... Well delivered, thank you
FACTS, FREEDON IS NOT GIVEN IT IS TAKEN!!!
The same applies to Mr. Barack Obama! The first time I saw his face I knew he was going to be nothing more than a white male power elite farmer's market melon, feckless, nut less, and spineless! If he did
nothing more than issue an executive order rescinding the immigration racial classification policy the
'united' states continues whereby all immigrants from the middle east who gain citizenship are classified
as 'white' resulting in Dr. Mostafa Hefny to experience five nervous breakdowns and firings from six jobs
because he defiantly fills out his employment applications as EGYPTIAN/BLACK and has been according to this you-tube video has been harassed for years as the result!
ruclips.net/video/_7676iW0VdE/видео.html
www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/09/30/white-house-wants-add-new-racial-category-middle-eastern-people/91322064/
Truth is stranger than fiction and when it comes to true equality and power in human history for the black, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A LIBERAL!
No real power, no respect in this world!
Erick Dean Tippett
Retired Musician/Teacher
Chicago, Illinois
1:38:01 South Africa must become Azania 🇿🇦❤️
And come what may, it will happen! 🤞🏽
Unfortunately you were cut before the whole room could explode in applause (time ran out) so here's my appreciation
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You cant just take from others and demand reparations from people who never did you any harm
I personally don’t demand reparations. But some sort form of restitution should be applied to those who suffered under the old order. BUT it should have been done in 1994. Currently, It’s very difficult to do in practice because our society has become integrated. Right now there are people of color who’s parents suffered but themselves are living comfortably - it would be irresponsible to compensate such a person.
The problem isn’t that it shouldn’t be done, it’s that it would be too difficult to enforce.
They need reperation which is all whites out of the land you people have done to much just go.
I am thinking Bishop Tutu, with his reconciliation plan, played a major part in maintaining SA's apartheid stability as they we’re witnessing today.
Many years back i said this and will repeat. I am afraid the stance that Mandela took to forgive and forget would not bring closure to Africans. For such to work Mandela govt would have to employ, on one to one basis, millions of psychologists to help Africans who suffered and are now continuing to suffer because of Apartheid. The decicion to forgive and forget was well sounded in ears but not pragmatic in its core. It was not very well thought of. It was meant to bring quick victory ..something which had and will never work anywhere except fast food joints. Even the success of fast food industry is multi generational. I respect and praise Mandela.. but like many do know now he was not the only and most important.. he was and still is the most spoken of, he was and still is the most spot lighted and because of that we have all come to learn of his remarkable world class wisdom. Many more made ernomous sacrifices.. many who didnt have the spot light nor the luxury of longevity for them to speak on podiums. I love Mandela... the elevated African version of Mandela. Because of him we have many tales to tell. But i wonder whether some of those tales werent told for us to cram. Or whether those true and good stories werent trumpeted so that we wouldn't hear alternative narratives or debate the short comings as we do now.
I love Mandela but more so Winnie. If Mandela made sacrifices..imagine his wife.
Did Mandela have authority to dictate that all is well now, just forgive and forget? Would such a thing work anywhere in the world? Come on. That was the best speech to hear but naive as well as unjust to the core.
I love Mandela but there is a huge short coming to his approach and now Africans must revisit.
Never understood why De Klerk won a Nobel Peace Prize! It was never going to be easy for a new SA after centuries of colonial oppression and the poor compromises Mandela & Co made.
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Very true, we are still reaping what was sown during apartheid era. Vote for the government and change. 💕🇿🇦
Sorry to say but, You are asleep as with 99% of all South Africans that believe that we are in a (delusional) fair Democracy of pure Cabal based BS. . . . awaken. [ read my main comment 5 spots above ]
Mandela's legacy was hanging on Winnie's existence. Now we know he indeed sold out.
He did without a doubt
Really
The ANC, including the first time they came into power under Nelson Mandela, has been a TOTAL DISGRACE to the South African BLACK Community in those POOREST (Soweto township) that voted them into Government, since 1994.
The FACT that those terrible GHETTOS still exist TODAY is SO SAD & Unforgivable.
BLACK People in SA Ntabankulu have not benefited under the ANC. Their Lives are as bad as it was during the APARTHEID era.
I'm surprised that I haven't seen this earlier and or that this didn't turn into something bigger, I cant stress how important this is. 1. South Africa never deals/dealt with issues to their core for example the 1902 treaty of vereeniging that in many cases serves as a scaffolding for our so called democracy.
MANY of the apartheid laws still exist in de-jure in our country
2. We are a sensationalist, pleasure principle country
3. We aren't decisive and clear, one example is our education system, we teach kids in english from grade 4, where they learn English FAL which is an equivalent of doing physic with Math Lit(inadequate and inferior) in addition to adopted failed curriculum from other countries
4. we are trying to use a top-down approach to nation building which from the average citizen would be fine but from government learned /qualified official should know that a bottom-up approach is known to work(federation vs confederation)
This guy wa Mandela Foundation is a sell out according to Ausi Lebohang' narrative of a sellout. He's irrelevant to the question on hand. Leaders should be held liable for their actions...
When I walked out of prison, that was my mission, to liberate the oppressed and the oppressor both.Some say that has now been achieved.But I know that is not case.The truth is that we are not yet free; we have merely achieved the freedom to be free, the right not to be oppressed.We have not taken the final step of our journey, but the first step on a longer and even nore difficult road.- last page of Long Walk to Freedom, Nelson Mandela
Remember how many years he was imprisoned.How the black leaders who were un-imprisoned worked during those years to help the entire nation to have that "Economic Empowerment"? How old is Nelson Mandela when he went out of the prison? Instead, be thankful because he stood up against apartheid.
Be thankful my foot 🦶🏽
Lebohang liepollo pheko is the real deal!
What an eye opener.. thanks
what a mess ...these equity warriors are more interested in tearing others down rather than building others up . this is so simple to see ! Is this government able ? ...maybe .Cooperative ? probably not !
can we have more kinds of this debates...and implement all decisions afterwards and i think there is a solutions to our problems
Watch a documentary called 1994 The Bloody Miracle and look at the times and decisions that needed to be made. Land reform has been going on since 2005 however it's been failing Black people are being dispossesed and reversing the good for not just 1 person but the community they support as well. To think economically about upliftment is an intellectual conversation not an emotional one. We would have all been butchered with the political violence back then but we had real politicians back then not just businessmen in suits that are looking to score a tender those men all black and white cared for the benefit of their people, Us South Africans we take too much for granted and complain too much.
South Africa has to become something else... Amen 🤲🏽🥕
No doubt Azania or Msanzi
my God that poor poor child !somebody teach her
Major State responsibilities include
1. schools:
2. hospitals,
3. conservation and environment,
4. roads,
5. railways and public transport,
6. public works,
7. agriculture and fishing,
8. industrial relations,
9. community services,
10. sport and recreation,
11. consumer affairs,
12. police,
13. prisons,
14. emergency services
15. legal and Law adjudication and adminstration.
16. electricity maintenance and distribution
17. Taxation and Financial Adminstration
18. Provincial Leadership
19. Community engagement
Other opportunities include start up seeding, tender legislation and reform of criminals and the convicted. The ANC is not to blame entirely because we are part of the problem. Politics cannot enact civil regard standalone, we come from scarcity history and as we prosper the issues protrude like splinters in field at night, they are piercing and seemingly illusive voting is just that. An ex on a page but responsibilities is and must be a collaborative effort, unity is too ideal but connectively responding to issues ensures communal living in its truest sense.
LEBOGANG PHEKO, is a name that carries so much potency, history marvels at this exactitude. Truely African thank, SZMW for e poerty...word. Eacxh speaker contributes something very potent and it resembles something lacking in our leadership.
This little girl just insulted everyone. 😂😂😂😂
Africans must know their history and first tell it to themselves. The rest of the world can think whatever they want
Their history is primitivism and leaching off white European cultures.
Lebogang u nkhopotsa late Dr Nana Seshibe. U ts'oana le ena u bus joaloka ena. The lady was a power house. When she talked struggle the whole DC (Washington DC) and the whole country listened. 👏👏👏👏🇱🇸🇱🇸🇱🇸🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🙏🏿
We are being selfish by questioning Mandela, he sacrificed his time with his family and life with along with his family for people he did not know, he was old, he shouldn't have cared less for the rest, retire and forget about politics but he didn't.
I agree
I think those presidents who came after Mandela really sold out South Africa.
My Answer?: Mandela didn't set South Africa up to fail, the people who took over the baton from him did a shitty job at bringing the country together and progressing it to further heights, that's it. South Africa was on the fast track to becoming a global Super Power in the 80's and early 90's, heck the development of Nuclear Weapons was already underway.... But again, A poor succession plan can decimate within a year, what took hundreds of years to build. the truth is, The ANC had no competent leaders, they just didn't have the experience nor proper counsel to take over a High-Performance system like RSA back then and make it better. they didn't know what a High-Performance system even looked like to begin with... RSA had a chance to stand toe to toe with the U.S, and possibly even become more powerful than the U.S, especially if we would've expanded our reach beyond RSA borders... now, lousy countries like Nigeria & Egypt has even surpassed us. we are busy begging outsiders to invest in our own country instead of self-generating the capital we need to empower ourselves! we have the minerals, we have the arable land, we have a large young population, what else do you want??? you have everything you need. is it so difficult to cultivate Farmers? is it so difficult to develop our own Goods & Products and become self-sufficient instead of importing everything? Is it so difficult to build Tourist attractions? Is it so difficult to adopt the best education systems in the world and improve upon them for ourselves? is it so difficult to set aside a healthy budget every year to invest in our Clinics, Hospitals, Nurses, & Doctors, as well as Medical Training Programs? Is it so difficult to properly train the Police and pay them a fair salary for going out there and risking their lives for us on a daily basis? RSA is in trouble I'm telling you... very serious trouble...
I remember awaiting a train and noticed the benches were marked Blanke and Nie Blanke. I could feel the Anger in my father's non response. We were not allowed to disrespect our staff if they were in charge we had to obey.
The kid who said he is a colonial product broke me.
the same blame game, ugh 😩
The government should’ve redistribute land to black South Africans in the 90s during Mandela presidency. Now almost the majority don’t have their land but I think the EFF will correct this injustice
Without colonialism, SA would be still be mud huts and smallpox. So he's right.
@@njonjokibera9587 REdisribute? Most blacks in South Africa are immigrants. They never had any land in South Africa. Why should they be entitled to the wealth that white Europeans have built? South Africa is huge, there's land everywhere. What they want is valuable land, land made valuable by white Europeans and white European culture.
Beyond the immorality of it, there are an infinite array of problems with this racist policy. Property rights are a staple of a free, democratic society. Having a government who are willing to steal property undermines them completely. Which devalues property and means nobody wants to buy it or invest in the country. And you'll be taking land from productive people and giving it to non-productive people, you think that improves society and the economy?
Blacks have had equal opportunity to the society whites built for 30 years now. There's nothing stopping them from getting educated, getting a job, buying land and passing on something to their kids. Nothing but their own failings.
What was your ideal set up fuctional state system before the colonial or apartheid system?
There was no functional anything before colonialism lol.
How can you forget and forgive without healing
Am I the only one disgusted by comments from that apologist named Karima Brown?
No you are not the only one , she is not being honest
Why government of national unity when the ANC was the majority??
The ANC was riven. MADIBA negotiated on his own. Made concessions. He exposed those who objected like Chris Hani and they were murdered. How was it that Jacob Zuma was removed from the critical position at the critical juncture and then pursued?
Mandela's claim to fame was, 27 years in prison. His government did not even establish a low income housing scheme, for the low income earners
Mandela as a pan Africanist is as shocking as it is insulting because he was a White Capital friend.
Blame it on Mandela. It was peaceful when Mandela was president. He left it up to you and you f'd it up
Very wise bornfree young girl.. the land will come back to the politically connected who know nothing about agriculture
She doesnt knw anything , what we went through. she is colonized .
I agree that girl had a point and the very same black people laughed at her. Its sad actually
Of course she started in a white school do you whites will teach her about black SA history.
no seriousness in this country. pheko says SA is facing an anti -imperial struggle, and not race issues. really? this is your educated people talking talking on the panel and with such a solemn situation we laugh easily shows our childish tendencies caused by racism . looking at people that studied journalism and women that are influence by the west's idea of feminism.. the west can't be our role model on human right or feminism , the role of the man and the woman in african culture was taken away so when she made the stateman about women in south africa ,to me she's pushing the gbv agenda are these people all on the payroll.
"Mandela used as a front "...was he or was he not?
Mandela was only a man, he lived and died. It's now up to SA people to stand up and fight for their freedom.
@@mpiloenhlesibanda3666 that won't happen because we are fighting among ourselves
.we are Racist towards each other nd one other thing Zulus want to do things on their own they are like whites. As long as we don't love one other we will always cry to politicians nd we will always be poor.
Mandela gave South African exactly what they needed the most at that time.......Peace
@@nkosilindilemasuku4295 peace which peace coz i see anger
"South Africa has to become something else".
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That little girl is lost trust me
Think about what shes saying ,its coming from a place in her her heart.
It does not matter I still maintain she’s lost her heart too is lost
I just hope she had shut her yuck mouth instead of sounding stupid!
@@bezman2499 That's exactly what they wanted you to think.
We were not asked about peace we were told to make peace with our enemies without knowing axacie how we're going to stay together without problems
1:13:00 his name is Bouwer Bosch and he makes music. Met him once, very nice dude. Very geniune
He compromised too much
"Colonial product" That boy heat me hard.
Karima as always was blabbing nonsense!!
It is not Madiba alone who soled out it was Mandela and the ANC this guy is spot on
Boro mokolwane YOU ON POINT
Mandela sold out simple.
🤝🏾💯 Case closed
To transfer power and resources is easy, what is difficult is what to do with the power and resources once they in your hands...
The 3rd speaker is still stuck in the past "Unfortunately". Let's move forward plz 🤲🙏
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Would this speaker be called coloured or black in South Africa?
I havn't gotten through the Question and answers section yet , but i must say the speakers left me with the idea that , they are disappointed for not getting hard core communism in 1994.....shall i say anything more, 99,99% of hardcore communist countries are economic basket cases,but South Africa is a communist country parading as a democracy it sorrows me but i think we are on the verge of a Zimbabwe/Venezuela state of affairs!
I personally don't think Mr Mandela set SOUTH AFRICA up to fail, but the people who were surrounding him and closer to him, while Mr Mandela considered them as intelligent people who will give him good advices as he was not long out of prison, will do that but unfortunately they don't do that, therefore those very people, are the ones who let SOUTH Africa's failure. They should have advised him to let De Klerk remain in power as the President of SOUTH Africa for a little longer while they
During that period, it would have been a sufficient time for them to realise what was supposed to be changed and how to change it. Therefore, that is exactly why Mandela's intentions failed because he was pressured by the people who were supposed to give him intelligent advice
How was the peace that Mandela's government negotiated for South Africa going to benefit the formerly and still oppressed African native when even the Constitution itself is anti-redress? The Constitution simply protects and further promotes the Apartheid status quo. Those who were in control of all of the country's strategic resources came out of 1996 still in control of those resources. Karima raises idealistic rhetoric that is not in line with the reality of South Africa's socio-economic challenges from the formerly oppressed peoples' perspective. As the former PAC/APLA comrades would argue: "How you do negotiate for the true liberation of oppressed peoples from a position of weakness?"
"Someone who feels like a colonial product". The fact that this guy was here, asking how he can help while being influenced by structures that he can not possibly control says a lot about how resilient black people are. My brother you are an inspiration and like all black people, you are sacred. Definitely psychological.
Are White people sacred too?
All the gold and diamonds from the land in SA should going to black citizens of SA.White SA had enough of the stolen golds.
This was a racist echo chamber NOT a debate.
Apartheid is alive and well in South Africa whether you are a Zulu, a Xhosa, a Pedi a Sotho, a Boer or whatever! Why are the Coloureds ignored!
We are moving back to a cultural values of Faith, Family and freedom. The world of the New World Order is collapsing before our eyes. Human Rights is at the root of the problem!
Mandela had a vision that only he could bring to fruition. Unfortunately he did not sit too long enough on the throne to see us through his vision. There is a lot we can take from what he initiated and make it work. Are we willing to do that?
I like this little powerful woman Freedom Fighter.
We didn't hear the final conclusion of one of the panelist and that is Selo
Why does it seem as though certain demographics are always looking for other people to blame?
They also can't answer, what did they did for the rainbow nation? They went straight to racist laws and supporting violence.
Abelungu ingoba alwanga nabo, ingakho nje bengasoze bas'hlonipha, phez kwalokho sajika sasebenzela, uksutha noklamba kwethi kwaba sezandlen zabo. Bese sithi sakhul'leka ke. 😡😡🖕🏿Fvck the ANC, including Mandela🖕🏿Mandela went to jail a revolutionary, & got aout a sellout. Dr John Hendrick Clarke & Dr Khalid Abdul Muhammad. We should fought the racist fvcks physically like the Kenyans lead by Jomo Kenyatta. I'm even today still keep for the war. I believe after then, we shall get a fair share of respect, not this fuvckin negotiated "freedom," a thing of cowards.
they should let he speak even if she's wrong . that's the effects of racism she's just a victim
Change your mind from primitive to intelligent, don't just give land to black people give it to South Africans.
Roger Brian Venter
If expropriation of land without payment is a thorn in the current conversation, the logic would then be why not compensate the land owners, and then in return, the land owners MUST then pay back what is owed to black people whose land was taken from them without payment?? This would be fair but I guess this option would be debated against also!
Giving back the land will solve the problem of black society, They want to build their own properties in their own land and to build houses and mostly businesses in order to grow their own resources in order to grow their S.A. economy for the future of this country and stop depending to outside countries for growth.
The result of not decolonising the education system is that young scholar girl
Facts!
“I Fear I May Have Integrated My People Into a Burning House” - Martin Luther King Jr. These were Dr. King's latter sentiments shortly before he was assasinated. Maybe, the criminal state of apartheid should have been allowed to wholely die and not have been resuscitated to morph into some new form of oppression of the indigenous people of the land. I would say your ''rainbow nation'' very well was also your ''burning house'' in much the same way integration was ours (blacks) in America.
Well said