Really underrated channel. Not only for its content (rare to find in depth monitor reviews) but also for the quality of the vids themselves (video, audio, etc).
Whenever I need to check out what monitor is worth in the price range of myself or anyone around me I check this channel. It's done incredibly well. Very informative and I really like that he actually tests a lot of different things others don't. I got the MSI OPTIX G241 because it had a very high contrast with decent ghosting for an IPS monitor that runs on 144hz which I can use with Nvidia G-Sync. My GTX 1080 pairs well with 1080p and a high refreshrate and I'm really happy with the screen quality.
Who cares about the audio. In my Minecraft: Java Edition videos (which are taken on my phone) I *CANT* have any audio, unless it is bad audio with people talking in the backround.
The MSI monitors are incredibly good value for money. I have two and use them for image and video editing as well. They have a color gamut of a EIZO monitor with features of the best gaming monitors. It also works with ps5 120 fps, has freesync and g-sync compatibility mode.
Hello, I have no idea if you’ll reply but I was wondering if this same exact monitor has 120hz support for newer gen Xbox’s? I’ve been having trouble getting it to work but I still like this monitor. Thanks for any help Edit: mine is the 144hz version
@@davidcastillo4938 Hello David, I don't own this exact monitor in the video, but the MSI G242. Therefore I can't answer your question sadly. Maybe try to get in touch with the MSI support for a definitive answer. If you want to keep this monitor, there is also a work around with an adapter, that "forces" 120Hz to work, I think it's called EVanlak - maybe it works for you.
Heres a fun one many people dont know. You could also buy a height udjustable stand from a local electronics recycling center. Thats if they resell of course and they tend to cost next to nothing due to the sheer amount they have.
@@sidismo2903 Actually, you want adjustable stands, primarily to place monitors LOWER than the default mount they come with... Your books are fking useless. xD
@@sidismo2903 My chair, is at maximum height. Your input is still worthless, bro... The reason products like this exists, is because they actually have uses. :P Primarily, the use is the ability to adjust them on the fly, but for me personally, i need to be able to lower them almost all the way down to the table, for health reasons... Specifically for the sake of my neck. The top of your monitor is supposed to be at eye-height, you're supposed to look at the monitor downward to avoid getting nasty-fking crinks in your neck. Sidismo, you sound like someone who only sits at the computer in 1 hour intervals twice per day, your input is not WANTED, nor is it needed... You can shut the fck up. ;)
00:20 "... I'm 100% not gonna read all these numbers and letters... But safe to say that you're getting a lot of letters for your money..." 😂😂😂 made me spit out my food 😂😂😂
Just a regular 'brand engineering' and 'OEM magic' - might well turn up the boards and the panels are the same, with slightly different firmware. Happens in all walks of life, technology in particular. For example, I remember back in the late 80s there was a lens I wanted, made by Tamron, who also made the same thing as OEM for Leica (with Leica's logo & mounting). The Tamron 'as Tamron' (with Canon FD mounting) was c.a. £250, whilst the Leica branded one - £420. I was so happy I needed the Canon flavour! 🙂
Another interesting budget monitor to compare this Msi Optix G273QF to would be the VIOTEK GFI27DBXA. The VIOTEK GFI27DBXA is 27 inches, resolution of 2560x1440, 180hz that you can unofficially overclock to 240hz, 101% DCI-P3 coverage, 141% sRGB coverage, a BGR subpixel layout, 600 nits HDR (without local dimming), and runs for a shocking price range of $370 U.S. to $330 U.S. when on sale. I know a monitor with this high of specs at the sub $400 U.S. price range sounds like garbage, however “Tom’s Hardware” gave it a 4.5 out of 5 stars.
Hey there, I agree with @ThomasEdits. Tom's Hardware is not a great place for peripheral reviews. That monitor has little to no reviews outside of that one, and it seems to have QA issues judging from Amazon reviews. I'd go with something with reviews made by Hardware Unboxed, our man techless or PCMonitors.
The price difference is mainly due to the Predator having a 10 bit panel and not 8 bit like the Msi. I suspect you tested a defective Acer panel as mine could reach 88% Dci-p3 gamma volume color by only changing gamma to 2.4 with peak brightness 429 nits. Im sure user experience is different from panel to panel though. Either way, really nice review. Im sure the MSI is still a steal at that price of $289. I personally only paid $430 for my Predator.
Could be a panel-to-panel difference. I remeber when looking at phones even things like the colour temperature between them would put me off even the same model. I tend to prefer a slightly warmer colour
@@GraveUypo Yes and no. Even SDR movies look better by switching to 10 bit, the gradient becomes visually smoother and shadows are clearer. It also happens in any videogames, the brightness 420-450 nits looks better than 350 or lower. This reviewer didn't test these monitors thoroughly. If l chose between a low HDR $400-450 monitor (not $500) vs SDR $300, I would probably pay the extra, $400-450 monitor in HDR (even low quality HDR 400) looks definitely better. Mini-led/OLED would be preferrable for a true HDR experience.
I agree with you. Even for low quality HDR 400 it is worth paying the extra. It gives a visual difference in movies (even in SDR ones) and videogames. They look noticeably better.
I am fairly certain, that you just pay for the acer logo. AOC CQ27G2U and MSI G273QF are 2 of the best budget gaming monitors. They both offer 1440p resolution, Msi has a refresh rate of 165hz while Aoc has 144hz and both offer you 1ms response time. If you're on a budget the aoc monitor would be best for you, because it come with a great monitor stand that is very adjustable. But if you are willing to spend a little more money the msi is also a great option.
quality content as usual! i do love my letters for my money i have to say :p I would be really interested in a comparison between the 'kings' of 1440p144hz, the msi MAG274QRF-QD and LG 27gp850 against this budget MSI one, maybe there's a bigger difference there?
This video was recommended to me quite randomly, but it is definitely something I wanted to see. When you mentioned getting a separate monitor stand, I was thrilled that someone finally considered "pimping" out a cheap monitor on a budget. The mention of a DIY ambilight sensor (and the lacklustre performance of some built-in ones) sealed the deal. I will definitely check out your channel. I love a tech review that cuts past the marketing BS and digs into the subject matter.
6:00 it blows my mind that manufacturers can't get back light strobing (aka black frame insertion) right. It's their own circuitry that controls when one frame ends & the other begins, yet it seems none get it quite right. 6yrs ago, I bought an Asus monitor for $250 that could do 3D. A friggin' 3rd party app was made that effectively tricked it into doing BFI & it did it perfectly. I recently bought Gigabyte's M32U for $750 & am very disappointed in its bfi. very strong red ghost image. When I dart my eyes from one spot to another, I notice a slight redness wherever there's white out of the corner of my eye. I'm on the fence if it's even worth turning on bfi.
The second I saw the predator text I knew which one was expensive Edit: the predator one looks brighter and probably have a better ACES colour range. This means that for anything art related it is more accurate with displaying correct colours. Unless you are doing professional art, 3D or game design it probably won't matter but for creative applications having a more accurate colour screen will be best
Wait, this channel doesn't have at least 500k subs??? Great production and really funny guy too, keep up this great work. I'm sure your channel will be up in the top soon.
I recently bought the G274QPF at Costco for 220 bucks which is an insane steal for a gaming monitor! 1440p resolution, 170hz refresh rate, Wide Color Gamete, Rapid IPS panel, 27 inch which is the sweet spot screen size for my desk setup and has more connection ports ! And was very satisfied as my early Christmas present!
Even before the stats I could see the difference in contrast and brightness. Although the Acer still needs to be calibrated (that goes for 99 percent of monitors) I think looks far better than the MSI one
@@localcrackhead2904 The camera used to film the video may have something to do with it I guess, but yeah, at 4:02 I also thought the Acer looked quite a lot better.
Noticed this as well, the colors on the Acer were overall a lot better… idk how much that’s worth, but they are definitely not the same. Overall I would personally pay $100 for the Acer over the MSI, def not $300. That being said, when did $300 become cheap? 👀
Um ehrlich zu sein habe ich die ganze Zeit gedacht, dass ich diese Art von Englisch kenne und dann dropt er das "bis zum nächsten Video". Bin doch gar nicht so schlecht. But now for English speakers. I really like the Video and we need more Videos like that on RUclips! Thank you!
5:35 Idk if its the camera positioning but the image of the Acer one looks miles better than the MSI. But I don't thing its the camera because you can also see a difference on the colors of the alien shots 5:09. The Acer alien has more vivid colors. This might be fixable with calibration... The MSI looks like it has a green temperature baked into it.
I see a big difference in contrast an color cast. The MSI is lower in contrast and has a greenish cast while the Other one is more neutral and more contrasty.
I only look for 3 things when buying a monitor, screen size, refresh rates, and ms response time. Preferably 25 in., 240hz, and 1ms. 0.5ms is good too but not worth extra pay tbh
I've watched a few of your videos now and your presentation and content summary is perfect. I don't often subscribe, but you've got me! Keep it up. Honestly, really do. I think my only critique, and I'm forcing this, is perhaps when doing in person recording, being more emotive may be a quality to adopt. But again. I'm being particularly picky!
Oh mein Gott, habe ich mich am Ende erschrocken, hahaha. Dachte mir die ganze Zeit schon, dass du 100%ig deutscher bist und trotzdem habe ich mich am Ende erschrocken, als du am Ende kurz zu deutsch gewechselt bist.. xD Sehr gutes Video, Abo ist auch da! 👀✌🏻
Forget looking up monitors. You want the best IPS 1440p 165hz monitor with v sync and g sync, usb 3.0, 1ms, full tilt, and best color. dell 27 s2721dgf. It's the monitor no one talks about and it goes for 300 bucks sometimes cheaper when on sale. But look it up and do some research and look up videos. It's very good.
I really enjoy your videos. The analysis, the length, the actual video montage, everything is top notch (obviously subscribed). I have one question since I'm trying to gather info especially for 27'' 144Hz monitors. Does the speed of the monitor actually affects the contrast ratio ? Right now I'm sitting on a Dell S2721DGFA which has wonderful colors but poor blacks/whites (I'm using your ICC profile as well) but from what I can see most of these monitors on this category have similar results in terms of contrast ratio.
Great review as always. I love your pursuit shots. I'd say they're even better than photodiode response time measuring since it directly shows what's going on. Bunch of number can easily confuse people especially if testing method is unreliable. Other reviewers seem to not bother much with pursuit shouts which is a shame. And I noticed you started doing top-mid-bottom screen area pursuits to check for strobe crosstalk with blur reduction. Very commendable. I hope you don't keep them just for your patreons, but that is understandable. :)
Thanks! I figured I'll include crosstalk shots if the monitor has a strobing mode that's actually worth it. Sometimes I do some tests or pursuit shots that I don't really find add much to the final video and that's basically the stuff that will go on Patreon now. In the past I just kept that stuff on my hard drive which is kind of a shame...
I legit thought this was Julian Krause for a minute there, due to the excellent production value and no bs real world comparison. And it's refreshing to see a channel like this test on a game and actually go ham in a lobby
The Acer seems to have much more crisper colors, while the MSI seems as if it has a weird greenish tint on which makes the whites and blacks look really bad in comparison. I don't know if it's because of a setting you tinkered with or if it straight up looks that bad, but on that alone I would give the Acer the edge. All that being said, the MSI still is solid, but the visuals don't sell it for me.
benq mobiuz EX2510S 1080p 165 hz 24.5 1ms HDRi AMD FreeSync IPS Low blue light mode, payed 180 euros, 280 euros value has basically everything that the 500+ monitor has. its even showed in 3:50
I've choosed my ips based on it's raw performance and color coverage. but I'm gratefull for every addon there is in it. You can say that hdr is just a gimming and it sure is... in games. Because for some not understandable by me reason, colorfull hdr presentations looks super nice. So the question is: why games doesn't? And it's colidated with the fact that hdr is tested specifically on hdr 1000 TV's, and for some reason the main thing in hdr games is light, and not colour.
it's not that hdr is gimmicky, it's that these monitors are not capable of hdr. their hdr is fake. they don't have the specs even for the lowest end hdr400 qualification, which in turn still isn't real HDR (real HDR starts at hdr1000 for lcd panels)
@@GraveUypo Then why on the same monitor you can see the tcl presentation just fine, but game looks like crap? mine has hdr600 with super wide color coverage, and it looks fabulous if you count in colour. light might be not bright enough, but still the colour looks great in dci-p3 or even adobe range. it's not that "real" hdr starts on hdr 1000 certificate, it's that they made it starts at this specific range. And this range has like...15 monitors? And only if you count in half-baked local dimming. For you real hdr might start at 16bits, I don't care, I still will use my hdr600 monitor. If noone will, I will try to change it myself, after I change my gpu, because this new nvidia rtx is doing some stupid crap with my monitor quality already without hdr xD.
Dankeshön, A sincere thank you for such an interesting and professional presentation, this will certainly be beneficial for when i purchase my new monitor. 🐨
I'd say on camera the MSI had a slightly green tint. To the bare eye though that isn't the case. Cameras don't see color exactly like the human eye does.
*you did miss an important test* You should test OVERDRIVE at different refresh values by locking a game's FPS. I'd test at 60FPS, 100FPS and 140FPS or similar. There's no point testing at a low FPS as the monitor either doesn't support variable refresh that low or it will more likely use LFC which will increase the monitor refresh to multiples of the FPS. For example "29FPS" would result in each frame being sent twice to force the monitor to run at 58Hz. So the monitor should never drop below it's Freesync/GSync range.
Really nice video cause that's something I always asked myself what is the actual difference between a cheap and more expensive monitor with the same core specs. Also love the German ending xD
In all honest everything but the panel is what makes the price of the monitor so could be better to start measuring the weight of both monitors as a starting point. The panel might be hard tech stuff but is just a thin plastic coding with some other materials on top, light weight and once you star mass production probably cost cents compare to all others parts including internal circuit boards inside.
damn so much went into this video. the quality and originality of the content made me think why have I not subbed before. then I saw 25k subs. I need to say hat's off.
Backlight bleeding (oder wie das heißt), might have been interesting as well, but basically wouldn't change your point, especially since it looks and feels already pretty identical (while gaming e.g.) Very nice video and systematic presentation overall
Phenomenal video 😮 Well done! Maybe you'll be the first on youtube to do a review on the MAG325CQRF QD. I cant find a review on it ANYWHERE! Theres only one badly done review by a blonde lady. Please consider reviewing it 😊
now remember folks it doesnt matter if you have a 144hz or 240 hz if your pc barely come close to 60fps while gaming. I have a 60fps monitor and most of the times my 8gb of ram and ryzen 3 2200g with onboard gpu stay in the 30-40 fps, its rare to reach 60, so it would be a waste of money to buy a higher refresh rate monitor, first it would be better to spend on a better gpu and more ram, this way at least I can achieve 60fps, wich from my point of view is very very good (in my older PCs I used to finish games around 15-20 fps)
There is One question remain to be answered : How do both compare on the durability / lifespan department. Which one will get dead pixels? Which one will become defective before the other?
Four years ago I bought a 75hz Freesync LG 1080p monitor for 150 USD. It crapped out after 2 years, started showing dead lines-- whole permanent vertical lines across the screen instead of just dead pixels. Meanwhile, my brother's cheapo 90 USD 1080p 75hz SpectrePro is still flawless for 3 years and counting. Made me stay away from big brands lol.
The video was over before I realized that the positive marks for the Acer wasn't coming. I was expecting at least some value addition (Acer) and not all gimmick. Now I know better. Thank you.
Great research and presentation on a very interesting topic: value for money. Subscribed (and thank you RUclips algorithm). In the video the MSI monitor has a horrible green colour cast that makes people look sick and the environment look dull. I wouldn't use it calibrated like that. I wouldn't use it at all if the colour cast can't be eliminated.
Twas ever thus. Product, design, quality materials, extra features, next gen. The Msi is all in the panel, the Acer has added features and design. It's up to you what you want or need. I just got an Omen, because it was cheap and The design works for my sitting room, whereas the MSI... doesn't. It also has some cool features I want to play with. As far as I can see the screens are nearly the same. I don't usually go for design, but my monitor takes a big file in my living room. I meant on my two options, not the vid, where the Acer looks better imo
a contrast ratio below 1000:1 would be a knockout criteria for me. looks like the main difference of the panels. still doesnt justify the price difference.
I got a 27” Acer Nitro 1440p 165hz curved gaming monitor I got for $239usd I consider that a deal for such a decent monitor the only thing close is Walmart with a 24” Oon 1440p 165hz gaming monitor *( think it’s curved not sure they make a 24” 1080p 165hz version I know that one’s flat panel it’s $165usd )* it’s $209usd if your looking for cheap high refresh rate gaming monitors on a budget
the MSI looked damper to me 6:16, sure you can see more detail but the colours don't pop like on the Acer but yeah not much difference on these monitors
well some of good brand now selling cheap yet good quality monitor. for example Koorui sells 27 inch 1440p Monitor with IPS 165 Hz only for $214. but its depend on the region
Just from looking at the videos side by side comparison, the colors look better on the Acer. The Acer has a stand. The Acer has a headphone holder which I've learned from experience comes extremely handy especially if you are a multiple headphone user or if you lack space on your desk setup. Acer has a stand, Not everyone want to go through the hassle of installing a VESA Mount. As well as the Acer gives you tilt, height adjust, pivot all our the box. I like the asthetic and the design of the Acer better. I think the Acer is the better monitor and would have no problems paying the extra price premium.
thanks to black friday (or black week, as some stores around here call it) i got myself two Asus 27inch 1440p 165hz monitors which are ips and low 1ms mprt, they have also some speakers and adjustable stand as well as all goodies like hdmi 2.0 and headphone jack, oh boy. One costs 399€ but now it was only 199€ so I got two for the price of one
Very detailed review as usual! What do you recommend from the following monitors for gaming and also content: Alienware AW2723DF, Benq EX2710Q, CoolerMaster GP27-FQS, LG UltraGear 27GP850-B, MSI Optix MAG274QRF-QD.
Do you recommend buying the MSI G273QPF (same in this video but with adjustable stand) or MSI MAG274QRF (not the QD version) ? I also checked the Gigabyte FI27Q and Acer xb273ugs, so there are a lot of options :D I would use the monitor for usual tasks, browsing, movies and a little bit of gaming. Thank you in advance!
Guys I have a doubt, Iv'e read in a comment that the new BenQ MOBIUZ EX2510S is a downgrade from the 2510, because it has not a true 8 bit display, but rather a 6 bit + FRS and the colors are worse due to that, Is it true? Or the panel manufacturers are the same? Is it a downgrade (with worse color performance) or an upgrade (having the same performance as the old model but with the plus of more refresh rate)?
Really underrated channel. Not only for its content (rare to find in depth monitor reviews) but also for the quality of the vids themselves (video, audio, etc).
Yes ! he hellped me chose my monitor :)
Whenever I need to check out what monitor is worth in the price range of myself or anyone around me I check this channel. It's done incredibly well. Very informative and I really like that he actually tests a lot of different things others don't. I got the MSI OPTIX G241 because it had a very high contrast with decent ghosting for an IPS monitor that runs on 144hz which I can use with Nvidia G-Sync. My GTX 1080 pairs well with 1080p and a high refreshrate and I'm really happy with the screen quality.
Who cares about the audio. In my Minecraft: Java Edition videos (which are taken on my phone) I *CANT* have any audio, unless it is bad audio with people talking in the backround.
Cuz my phone doesn't have Android 10 or newer.
@@therealloganyt237 👶🏻
The MSI monitors are incredibly good value for money. I have two and use them for image and video editing as well. They have a color gamut of a EIZO monitor with features of the best gaming monitors. It also works with ps5 120 fps, has freesync and g-sync compatibility mode.
Which monitors ya got ther?..
@@km7136 MSI G242
Hello, I have no idea if you’ll reply but I was wondering if this same exact monitor has 120hz support for newer gen Xbox’s? I’ve been having trouble getting it to work but I still like this monitor. Thanks for any help
Edit: mine is the 144hz version
@@davidcastillo4938 Hello David, I don't own this exact monitor in the video, but the MSI G242. Therefore I can't answer your question sadly. Maybe try to get in touch with the MSI support for a definitive answer. If you want to keep this monitor, there is also a work around with an adapter, that "forces" 120Hz to work, I think it's called EVanlak - maybe it works for you.
I have the 32" Samsung g7 with the curve everybody hates. Best gaming monitor across all refresh rates. No ghosting like the msi monitors.
Heres a fun one many people dont know. You could also buy a height udjustable stand from a local electronics recycling center. Thats if they resell of course and they tend to cost next to nothing due to the sheer amount they have.
Cool
Or you know, just grab a box or a pile of encyclopedias and place the monitor on top of them. Voila! Optimal height!
@@sidismo2903 Actually, you want adjustable stands, primarily to place monitors LOWER than the default mount they come with... Your books are fking useless. xD
@@MyouKyuubi So increase your chair height instead lol. Lots of issues you can fix with common sense instead of wasting money.
@@sidismo2903 My chair, is at maximum height.
Your input is still worthless, bro... The reason products like this exists, is because they actually have uses. :P
Primarily, the use is the ability to adjust them on the fly, but for me personally, i need to be able to lower them almost all the way down to the table, for health reasons... Specifically for the sake of my neck. The top of your monitor is supposed to be at eye-height, you're supposed to look at the monitor downward to avoid getting nasty-fking crinks in your neck.
Sidismo, you sound like someone who only sits at the computer in 1 hour intervals twice per day, your input is not WANTED, nor is it needed... You can shut the fck up. ;)
00:20 "... I'm 100% not gonna read all these numbers and letters... But safe to say that you're getting a lot of letters for your money..." 😂😂😂 made me spit out my food 😂😂😂
Just a regular 'brand engineering' and 'OEM magic' - might well turn up the boards and the panels are the same, with slightly different firmware. Happens in all walks of life, technology in particular. For example, I remember back in the late 80s there was a lens I wanted, made by Tamron, who also made the same thing as OEM for Leica (with Leica's logo & mounting). The Tamron 'as Tamron' (with Canon FD mounting) was c.a. £250, whilst the Leica branded one - £420. I was so happy I needed the Canon flavour! 🙂
Another interesting budget monitor to compare this Msi Optix G273QF to would be the VIOTEK GFI27DBXA. The VIOTEK GFI27DBXA is 27 inches, resolution of 2560x1440, 180hz that you can unofficially overclock to 240hz, 101% DCI-P3 coverage, 141% sRGB coverage, a BGR subpixel layout, 600 nits HDR (without local dimming), and runs for a shocking price range of $370 U.S. to $330 U.S. when on sale. I know a monitor with this high of specs at the sub $400 U.S. price range sounds like garbage, however “Tom’s Hardware” gave it a 4.5 out of 5 stars.
Idk how much i can trust toms guide afteir their alienware ( garbage ) prebuilt review:
Tom’s Guide Awards 2022 Winner: Alienware Aurora R13
"Best gaming desktop." - Tom's Guide
That band Viotej doesnt even exist in my area (EU) and I can not buy it anywhere. ;)
Hey there, I agree with @ThomasEdits. Tom's Hardware is not a great place for peripheral reviews.
That monitor has little to no reviews outside of that one, and it seems to have QA issues judging from Amazon reviews.
I'd go with something with reviews made by Hardware Unboxed, our man techless or PCMonitors.
The price difference is mainly due to the Predator having a 10 bit panel and not 8 bit like the Msi.
I suspect you tested a defective Acer panel as mine could reach 88% Dci-p3 gamma volume color by only changing gamma to 2.4 with peak brightness 429 nits.
Im sure user experience is different from panel to panel though.
Either way, really nice review. Im sure the MSI is still a steal at that price of $289. I personally only paid $430 for my Predator.
Could be a panel-to-panel difference. I remeber when looking at phones even things like the colour temperature between them would put me off even the same model. I tend to prefer a slightly warmer colour
You don't actually need a 10 bit panel if you aren't doing HDR though? Lol.
@@RyhtymFiend true. these don't even qualify for hdr400 specs anyway, which shouldn't even be an hdr spec because it's so stupid "un-hdr"-y
@@GraveUypo Yes and no. Even SDR movies look better by switching to 10 bit, the gradient becomes visually smoother and shadows are clearer. It also happens in any videogames, the brightness 420-450 nits looks better than 350 or lower. This reviewer didn't test these monitors thoroughly. If l chose between a low HDR $400-450 monitor (not $500) vs SDR $300, I would probably pay the extra, $400-450 monitor in HDR (even low quality HDR 400) looks definitely better.
Mini-led/OLED would be preferrable for a true HDR experience.
I agree with you. Even for low quality HDR 400 it is worth paying the extra. It gives a visual difference in movies (even in SDR ones) and videogames. They look noticeably better.
I am fairly certain, that you just pay for the acer logo. AOC CQ27G2U and MSI G273QF are 2 of the best budget gaming monitors. They both offer 1440p resolution, Msi has a refresh rate of 165hz while Aoc has 144hz and both offer you 1ms response time. If you're on a budget the aoc monitor would be best for you, because it come with a great monitor stand that is very adjustable. But if you are willing to spend a little more money the msi is also a great option.
Thoughts on the Acer Predator XB271HU bmiprz 27? Its around the same price as those monitors on amazon
I currently have two Acer monitors (purchased about two years apart) that I got because they were the best bargains at the time
they have the same price, wich is actually better
Airo aio25g is good monitor too, 1ms 165hz 100%srgb
But its 24inch
quality content as usual! i do love my letters for my money i have to say :p
I would be really interested in a comparison between the 'kings' of 1440p144hz, the msi MAG274QRF-QD and LG 27gp850 against this budget MSI one, maybe there's a bigger difference there?
This video was recommended to me quite randomly, but it is definitely something I wanted to see.
When you mentioned getting a separate monitor stand, I was thrilled that someone finally considered "pimping" out a cheap monitor on a budget.
The mention of a DIY ambilight sensor (and the lacklustre performance of some built-in ones) sealed the deal.
I will definitely check out your channel. I love a tech review that cuts past the marketing BS and digs into the subject matter.
Really appreciate the kind words, thanks!
6:00 it blows my mind that manufacturers can't get back light strobing (aka black frame insertion) right. It's their own circuitry that controls when one frame ends & the other begins, yet it seems none get it quite right.
6yrs ago, I bought an Asus monitor for $250 that could do 3D. A friggin' 3rd party app was made that effectively tricked it into doing BFI & it did it perfectly.
I recently bought Gigabyte's M32U for $750 & am very disappointed in its bfi. very strong red ghost image. When I dart my eyes from one spot to another, I notice a slight redness wherever there's white out of the corner of my eye. I'm on the fence if it's even worth turning on bfi.
It jus takes more money to get it right so they dont bother
Are you talking about the Asus VG248QE? I remember using that strobe effect on it, but had to give up on it after some time due to eye strain.
The second I saw the predator text I knew which one was expensive
Edit: the predator one looks brighter and probably have a better ACES colour range. This means that for anything art related it is more accurate with displaying correct colours. Unless you are doing professional art, 3D or game design it probably won't matter but for creative applications having a more accurate colour screen will be best
this is the first time ive come across one of your videos. and i instantly love how you go straight to the point and are unbiased. SUBBED!
Wait, this channel doesn't have at least 500k subs???
Great production and really funny guy too, keep up this great work. I'm sure your channel will be up in the top soon.
I recently bought the G274QPF at Costco for 220 bucks which is an insane steal for a gaming monitor! 1440p resolution, 170hz refresh rate, Wide Color Gamete, Rapid IPS panel, 27 inch which is the sweet spot screen size for my desk setup and has more connection ports ! And was very satisfied as my early Christmas present!
Even before the stats I could see the difference in contrast and brightness. Although the Acer still needs to be calibrated (that goes for 99 percent of monitors) I think looks far better than the MSI one
The MSI has a greenish hue to it, and the white isn't as white. Idk what he's talking about that they're identical.
@@localcrackhead2904 The camera used to film the video may have something to do with it I guess, but yeah, at 4:02 I also thought the Acer looked quite a lot better.
Noticed this as well, the colors on the Acer were overall a lot better… idk how much that’s worth, but they are definitely not the same. Overall I would personally pay $100 for the Acer over the MSI, def not $300. That being said, when did $300 become cheap? 👀
I have this MSI monitor just curved and it comes with an ajustable stand just wonderful value.
Um ehrlich zu sein habe ich die ganze Zeit gedacht, dass ich diese Art von Englisch kenne und dann dropt er das "bis zum nächsten Video". Bin doch gar nicht so schlecht.
But now for English speakers. I really like the Video and we need more Videos like that on RUclips!
Thank you!
Kudos to you. Your approach and delivery of the presentation and thesis is commendable. A classy shade ^^
5:35 Idk if its the camera positioning but the image of the Acer one looks miles better than the MSI. But I don't thing its the camera because you can also see a difference on the colors of the alien shots 5:09. The Acer alien has more vivid colors. This might be fixable with calibration...
The MSI looks like it has a green temperature baked into it.
True MSI has some weird Green Tint.
My thoughts exactly
Diesen "Bis zu mächsten Video" hat mich gekillt😂😂🤣🤣
The MSI monitor looks warmer but honestly, I feel like most people like the warmer display, including me, so the MSI just looks like a great deal!
The acer is selling for 220€ on sale right now, for that price it's unbeatable.
I see a big difference in contrast an color cast. The MSI is lower in contrast and has a greenish cast while the Other one is more neutral and more contrasty.
you're not looking at them from the same angle though. and not in person.
I absolutely LOVE your videos bro
Thanks man! 🙂
I only look for 3 things when buying a monitor, screen size, refresh rates, and ms response time. Preferably 25 in., 240hz, and 1ms. 0.5ms is good too but not worth extra pay tbh
Thing to consider also some series has better capacitor and power supply.
Unfortunately we cannot benchmark that
I've watched a few of your videos now and your presentation and content summary is perfect. I don't often subscribe, but you've got me! Keep it up. Honestly, really do.
I think my only critique, and I'm forcing this, is perhaps when doing in person recording, being more emotive may be a quality to adopt. But again. I'm being particularly picky!
I also didn't mean to offend if I did, just to be super clear!
Oh mein Gott, habe ich mich am Ende erschrocken, hahaha.
Dachte mir die ganze Zeit schon, dass du 100%ig deutscher bist und trotzdem habe ich mich am Ende erschrocken, als du am Ende kurz zu deutsch gewechselt bist.. xD
Sehr gutes Video, Abo ist auch da! 👀✌🏻
Forget looking up monitors. You want the best IPS 1440p 165hz monitor with v sync and g sync, usb 3.0, 1ms, full tilt, and best color. dell 27 s2721dgf. It's the monitor no one talks about and it goes for 300 bucks sometimes cheaper when on sale. But look it up and do some research and look up videos. It's very good.
I wouldn't call 300$ cheap
I can build a pc with that😂
Do it rn and post it @@mdmahfuzratul5902
That is a really good price for high quality monitor
that's your problem
@@ArnoldsKtm wdym? That's just how it works.
I really enjoy your videos. The analysis, the length, the actual video montage, everything is top notch (obviously subscribed). I have one question since I'm trying to gather info especially for 27'' 144Hz monitors. Does the speed of the monitor actually affects the contrast ratio ? Right now I'm sitting on a Dell S2721DGFA which has wonderful colors but poor blacks/whites (I'm using your ICC profile as well) but from what I can see most of these monitors on this category have similar results in terms of contrast ratio.
I wonder why the left monitor (cheap MSI ) looked way "greener" while the other had more soothing colors, is it just the perspective ??
this channel is gonna blow up - so good
does the msi have freesync premium btw?
Great review as always. I love your pursuit shots. I'd say they're even better than photodiode response time measuring since it directly shows what's going on. Bunch of number can easily confuse people especially if testing method is unreliable. Other reviewers seem to not bother much with pursuit shouts which is a shame. And I noticed you started doing top-mid-bottom screen area pursuits to check for strobe crosstalk with blur reduction. Very commendable. I hope you don't keep them just for your patreons, but that is understandable. :)
Thanks! I figured I'll include crosstalk shots if the monitor has a strobing mode that's actually worth it. Sometimes I do some tests or pursuit shots that I don't really find add much to the final video and that's basically the stuff that will go on Patreon now. In the past I just kept that stuff on my hard drive which is kind of a shame...
@@techlessYT nice.
@@techlessYT nice.
I legit thought this was Julian Krause for a minute there, due to the excellent production value and no bs real world comparison. And it's refreshing to see a channel like this test on a game and actually go ham in a lobby
The Acer seems to have much more crisper colors, while the MSI seems as if it has a weird greenish tint on which makes the whites and blacks look really bad in comparison. I don't know if it's because of a setting you tinkered with or if it straight up looks that bad, but on that alone I would give the Acer the edge. All that being said, the MSI still is solid, but the visuals don't sell it for me.
Interesting video, nice quality. Bis zum nächsten Video!
Techless: cheap monitor for 300 dollars. Me with my 50 dollar hp monitor: what
benq mobiuz EX2510S 1080p 165 hz 24.5 1ms HDRi AMD FreeSync IPS Low blue light mode, payed 180 euros, 280 euros value has basically everything that the 500+ monitor has. its even showed in 3:50
I've choosed my ips based on it's raw performance and color coverage. but I'm gratefull for every addon there is in it.
You can say that hdr is just a gimming and it sure is... in games. Because for some not understandable by me reason, colorfull hdr presentations looks super nice. So the question is: why games doesn't?
And it's colidated with the fact that hdr is tested specifically on hdr 1000 TV's, and for some reason the main thing in hdr games is light, and not colour.
it's not that hdr is gimmicky, it's that these monitors are not capable of hdr. their hdr is fake. they don't have the specs even for the lowest end hdr400 qualification, which in turn still isn't real HDR (real HDR starts at hdr1000 for lcd panels)
@@GraveUypo Then why on the same monitor you can see the tcl presentation just fine, but game looks like crap?
mine has hdr600 with super wide color coverage, and it looks fabulous if you count in colour. light might be not bright enough, but still the colour looks great in dci-p3 or even adobe range.
it's not that "real" hdr starts on hdr 1000 certificate, it's that they made it starts at this specific range.
And this range has like...15 monitors? And only if you count in half-baked local dimming.
For you real hdr might start at 16bits, I don't care, I still will use my hdr600 monitor.
If noone will, I will try to change it myself, after I change my gpu, because this new nvidia rtx is doing some stupid crap with my monitor quality already without hdr xD.
Dankeshön, A sincere thank you for such an interesting and professional presentation, this will certainly be beneficial for when i purchase my new monitor. 🐨
5:04 Now thats what I call a vr experience
"A lot of letters for your money"
Haha. Great script. That's pure reason to buy the Acer for sure!
Nice job!!! There should be more content like this!
Ganzes video geguckt, gedacht "ist das ein leichter deutscher akzent?" bis dann am ende "bis zum nächsten video" xD Sehr gutes und informatives video!
cheaper monitors always has that yellowing or bluish tint. Can see that on the left one
I'd say on camera the MSI had a slightly green tint. To the bare eye though that isn't the case. Cameras don't see color exactly like the human eye does.
Thanks. I was considering my next monitor and now I don't see the case in expending all that extra cash
*you did miss an important test*
You should test OVERDRIVE at different refresh values by locking a game's FPS. I'd test at 60FPS, 100FPS and 140FPS or similar. There's no point testing at a low FPS as the monitor either doesn't support variable refresh that low or it will more likely use LFC which will increase the monitor refresh to multiples of the FPS. For example "29FPS" would result in each frame being sent twice to force the monitor to run at 58Hz. So the monitor should never drop below it's Freesync/GSync range.
theoretically, that's a really good point, practically, our eyes can't even look past 60 fps so no point.
@@ninx_music Are you... Okay, no, you're trolling. Just stop.
@@kadrix732 lmao, trolling? it takes one bit of effort to search it up my guy
@@kadrix732 and im not going to stop
@@kadrix732 theoretically, that's a really good point, practically, our eyes can't even look past 60 fps so no point.
Really nice video cause that's something I always asked myself what is the actual difference between a cheap and more expensive monitor with the same core specs. Also love the German ending xD
In all honest everything but the panel is what makes the price of the monitor so could be better to start measuring the weight of both monitors as a starting point.
The panel might be hard tech stuff but is just a thin plastic coding with some other materials on top, light weight and once you star mass production probably cost cents compare to all others parts including internal circuit boards inside.
The cheaper one was fairly easy to spot for me. It didn’t seem as bright and the white seemed off
Yeah I noticed that too
When he talked about the ambient light thing in the expensive one.. I didn't even know that monitors have something like that💀
F.lux is a option for ambient light and best part, it's free and actually helps.
On the video showing gaming (idk if it is because of angle or not) Acer looks so much better. Sunny screen looks like dawn on Msi...
damn so much went into this video. the quality and originality of the content made me think why have I not subbed before. then I saw 25k subs. I need to say hat's off.
I have that Predator 170hz and I love it. The backlight led is giving so much for eye's
Backlight bleeding (oder wie das heißt), might have been interesting as well, but basically wouldn't change your point, especially since it looks and feels already pretty identical (while gaming e.g.)
Very nice video and systematic presentation overall
Hahaha kurz deutsch in der klammer
You are the first one that wouldn't have enough space on the desk for "for a good monitor stand" that you showed in the video ;)
Phenomenal video 😮 Well done! Maybe you'll be the first on youtube to do a review on the MAG325CQRF QD. I cant find a review on it ANYWHERE! Theres only one badly done review by a blonde lady. Please consider reviewing it 😊
Video appreciated as always :)
now remember folks it doesnt matter if you have a 144hz or 240 hz if your pc barely come close to 60fps while gaming. I have a 60fps monitor and most of the times my 8gb of ram and ryzen 3 2200g with onboard gpu stay in the 30-40 fps, its rare to reach 60, so it would be a waste of money to buy a higher refresh rate monitor, first it would be better to spend on a better gpu and more ram, this way at least I can achieve 60fps, wich from my point of view is very very good (in my older PCs I used to finish games around 15-20 fps)
There is One question remain to be answered : How do both compare on the durability / lifespan department. Which one will get dead pixels? Which one will become defective before the other?
Four years ago I bought a 75hz Freesync LG 1080p monitor for 150 USD. It crapped out after 2 years, started showing dead lines-- whole permanent vertical lines across the screen instead of just dead pixels. Meanwhile, my brother's cheapo 90 USD 1080p 75hz SpectrePro is still flawless for 3 years and counting. Made me stay away from big brands lol.
I actually have a spectre and it’s amazing for it’s price
5:32 the colors in the right one looks better
The video was over before I realized that the positive marks for the Acer wasn't coming. I was expecting at least some value addition (Acer) and not all gimmick. Now I know better. Thank you.
Great research and presentation on a very interesting topic: value for money. Subscribed (and thank you RUclips algorithm).
In the video the MSI monitor has a horrible green colour cast that makes people look sick and the environment look dull. I wouldn't use it calibrated like that. I wouldn't use it at all if the colour cast can't be eliminated.
This is the video I was looking for. Subbed!
i just bought an msi optix g27 man its a massive improvement from my old samsung love the monitor
really informative and well-organized video
Keep going, mate!
creating, printing and properly sticking those gaming™️ stickers is expensive and labour intensive work
Twas ever thus. Product, design, quality materials, extra features, next gen. The Msi is all in the panel, the Acer has added features and design. It's up to you what you want or need. I just got an Omen, because it was cheap and The design works for my sitting room, whereas the MSI... doesn't. It also has some cool features I want to play with. As far as I can see the screens are nearly the same. I don't usually go for design, but my monitor takes a big file in my living room.
I meant on my two options, not the vid, where the Acer looks better imo
a contrast ratio below 1000:1 would be a knockout criteria for me.
looks like the main difference of the panels.
still doesnt justify the price difference.
I got a 27” Acer Nitro 1440p 165hz curved gaming monitor I got for $239usd I consider that a deal for such a decent monitor the only thing close is Walmart with a 24” Oon 1440p 165hz gaming monitor *( think it’s curved not sure they make a 24” 1080p 165hz version I know that one’s flat panel it’s $165usd )* it’s $209usd if your looking for cheap high refresh rate gaming monitors on a budget
the MSI looked damper to me 6:16, sure you can see more detail but the colours don't pop like on the Acer but yeah not much difference on these monitors
where i am in the UK - the MSI one is £360 and the Acer one is £380 (at the moment anyway)
Some of these panels are binned to have better uniformity and lesser backlight blred but probably not on this price point
well some of good brand now selling cheap yet good quality monitor. for example Koorui sells 27 inch 1440p Monitor with IPS 165 Hz only for $214. but its depend on the region
Just from looking at the videos side by side comparison, the colors look better on the Acer. The Acer has a stand. The Acer has a headphone holder which I've learned from experience comes extremely handy especially if you are a multiple headphone user or if you lack space on your desk setup. Acer has a stand, Not everyone want to go through the hassle of installing a VESA Mount. As well as the Acer gives you tilt, height adjust, pivot all our the box. I like the asthetic and the design of the Acer better. I think the Acer is the better monitor and would have no problems paying the extra price premium.
Came across this dude yesterday. He’s the best.
Very cool, thx
ive rocked 3 different models of the msi MAG series and love them
That's some interesting content as well! I always was wondering exactly that question.
you deserve more and more support. quality content this one
Very useful an informative video. thank you!
I got my pixio px27 1440p 165hz monitor about a year ago and I freaking love it. Wouldn't trade it for anything
Very good and well considered video presentation. Thank you.
Right on. Thanks for sharing.
thanks to black friday (or black week, as some stores around here call it) i got myself two Asus 27inch 1440p 165hz monitors which are ips and low 1ms mprt, they have also some speakers and adjustable stand as well as all goodies like hdmi 2.0 and headphone jack, oh boy. One costs 399€ but now it was only 199€ so I got two for the price of one
Very detailed review as usual!
What do you recommend from the following monitors for gaming and also content: Alienware AW2723DF, Benq EX2710Q, CoolerMaster GP27-FQS, LG UltraGear 27GP850-B, MSI Optix MAG274QRF-QD.
Do you recommend buying the MSI G273QPF (same in this video but with adjustable stand) or MSI MAG274QRF (not the QD version) ? I also checked the Gigabyte FI27Q and Acer xb273ugs, so there are a lot of options :D I would use the monitor for usual tasks, browsing, movies and a little bit of gaming. Thank you in advance!
Yup, grabbed mine for 200$ brand new
hey man can u do a review on the ASUS VA24EHE monitor.By the way your videos are super🙌😁
Yea, MSI Optix monitors are real good value
I myself bought G241 on sale, and I am *very* satisfied from it :D
LG CX OLED 65'' 4k 120hz HDR FreeSync/Gsync HDMI 2.1 master race !
Guys I have a doubt, Iv'e read in a comment that the new BenQ MOBIUZ EX2510S is a downgrade from the 2510, because it has not a true 8 bit display, but rather a 6 bit + FRS and the colors are worse due to that, Is it true? Or the panel manufacturers are the same? Is it a downgrade (with worse color performance) or an upgrade (having the same performance as the old model but with the plus of more refresh rate)?
Thanks!
Got myself MSI G273QPF with height regulation (pivot) for 200 bucks and I totally recommend it.
underrated. af this guy
You are the "Project farm" of monitors
5:14 both of them are demolished by my 75Hz CRT