UPDATE: 2 channel scope is out of stock AGAIN! 😅 Seller says that more inventory is on the way on April 4 and 10, so please check back then. Discount code will still be available! ALSO DON'T MISS THE THINKTOOL PROS MEGA DEAL $250 OFF!!
This is insane. There is no need for cars to be this complex that some little module in a door needs so much programming! My 1972 Ford LTD Country Squire starts and drives and doesn't kill it's battery while parked.
They hire programmers and don't tell them wen to stop. Next thing will be remote opening of the gas flap and removing the cap from the driver's seat. I'm sick of it! And with the manufacturers pledging to stop using petroleum engines, the auto world is going to hades in a hand basket. This is nucking futs.
@@jeffryblackmon4846 What is seen at 10:24 is super-crazy. All of this just for the small interface module for power windows, power mirrors, power locks and a few lights??? This was all accomplished for decades without a "coded" module that apparently is almost impossible to source even for a ten year old vehicle. One could only imagine every module in the car needs this type of 'coding'. As soon as some critical module becomes unavailable, an otherwise mechanically perfect vehicle becomes a brick and gets parted out at a wrecker. Cars like this will not be on the road when they are 20 to 25 years old, not so much due to mechanical issues, but due to electronics becoming *_unobtainium._*
@@LakeNipissing super simple, with documentation VCDS. please update your knowledge. this is how all VAG and most other modern cars are managed these days.
because eventually they will lock out the 3rd party scan tools from re-programming the modules, citing infringement of their IP, and you'll only be able to buy parts and have them installed by the dealer.
Why is the rain guard on the drive side rear window glass??? It’s obviously supposed to be on the door “frame” lol Ivan you are an amazing tech and I enjoy watching all of your videos. I’ve upped my electrical diagnostic game tremendously with your knowledge. Thank you!
The passager rear door module is probably connected to the the passager front to via a lin network and the passager front then talks over the can network. When i watched the first videos on this VW and you condemned the passager door module with out looking at any of it inputs, I thought you might have missed something.
Correct, at least that's how it works in the Passat. The rear module comms are via the front module through a LIN bus only. Rear door modules aren't on the CAN bus.
I support my comment on the previous video: get rid of the fancy electronic mods. Let's start with roll up windows, manual adjust mirrors, manual locks, et al. I was 40+ before I got AC and power windows.
Most of the population is not like you and new car buyers don't keep cars past the warranty, so they just don't care. And neither do the manufacturers since you are not their customer....
Having owned now 4 Toyotas...not one has every had an electrical issue. The only issue was our 04 Corolla needed a new ECM...was a warranty issue and the recall. After that, not a single issue ever with electrical. Power Windows, power door locks never stop working. Toyota has engineered their cars to be seemingly bullet proof. Now, our 97 Ford Taurus had ALL kinds of electrical gremlins...will never own Ford again.
Ivan, I bet it helps to have a customer who understands how complex the car he owns can be. Hope there's not something else causing the problem. Thanks for Sharing!
In many makes and models of vehicles I have seen many similar problems that you are dealing with. I always look at the wiring from car body to door shell. The manufacturers love to skimp on wire. The result is broken wires in the loom. I've added length to so many broken wires to fix customer's issue. A few broken wires in there can cause so many problems. Your scanner telling you mirror short makes me wonder what it looks like in the loom. Internals of the mirror may also be compromised from weather. My fingers are crossed for you. Put a mirror on your shelf and keep your soldering iron warmed up just in case.
This whole CAN system goes back to the days when car manufacturers wanted to reduce the number of wires in the car by using a computer style communication network. The principle is simple: power, ground, and communication wire to the module vs running wires for everything. What did we get instead, you guessed a communication network AND even more wires running through the vehicle, because now every module has to talk to every other module and now on different busses. Brilliant!
@@int53185 I've been in computer networking for a while and know how they work, but automotive networks have very different requirements. For one they have to be very robust because if an ethernet network goes down no one dies, a CAN bus failure at the wrong time can get someone killed, especially with the new breed of brake and drive by wire, but that's a different story. What I can't understand is why some cars have three networks, high, medium and low speed. I understand they communicate with different devices on the networks, you want the engine, brake/stability, and transmission on the high speed bus, but if they adopted networking principles from computers and used a form of ethernet for communication speed and bandwidth wouldn't have been an issue. I'm sure the devices and protocols could have been designed to be extremely robust with high redundancy, and even self diagnosing. A smart ethernet switch can sense a misbehaving device and shut down that port without affecting the rest of the network. I've seen modern car wire harnesses, I don't think the manufacturers reduced the use of copper that much, if at all.
that same mirror switch is also mounted in a flat position, and you can bet they use those door modules in as many cars as they can, so easy to see why they would make it codeable to make sense weather the switch is mounted vertically or horizontally.
Thx Ivan! Been waiting to get one of these little scopes after seeing you put it through it's paces.....aw nuts! Sold out already? Ha! Hopefully I'll catch on when they smuggle some more in on the 4th or 10th!🕵🤔. God bless and thx for all you teach us! Your methods should be taught at ALL auto apprenticeship programs nation wide. People are going to need mechanics with these skill sets in the years to come. Think of the cars/trucks that cound be saved from the crusher and used by most folks just wanting basic transportation.....like 90% of us, ha! Much love and keep on sharing. I'm crippled up, only 67 and was a lead Metrologist with many other hats...i feel like I'm back in the classroom/lab😁
As commented in Part 1, I had the same problem on my Audi A6 4G. I also struggled why the heck does the backseat passenger door not operate when the passenger door module is not on power. I could then not even open the backseat door. The solution is simple but ridiculous. If you look at the wiring diagram you can see that the passenger door module has a separate communication line only going to the backseat door module. I.e. the back seat module has no CAN connection. Therefore the module gets all information (and only gets activated) by the passenger door module. Crazy isn't it...
I just want to preface this comment by saying I am laughing WITH you, not AT you, Ivan. You are always able to test and predict what is going to happen. When something happens that you don't expect it is funny! What's interesting is in the late '50's your ancestors were able to send a satellite, a monkey, and Yuri into orbit and later my man John went up and returned to earth without all of this complicated stuff. Great video!
2013 VW Jetta hybrid has SIX, SIX different rear door lock actuators/latches. SIX. Oh, and its got a very helpful feature, if its equipped with a fuel door release in the driver door, and that driver door module fails or loses connection - you CANNOT fill gas. The fuel tank vent pressure release is tied to that fuel door release switch in drivers door. Eat a hot shet sanwich VW, eat it allllll up. Stay gold.
Could the pulling of the fuse cause a “hard reset” in the module? Maybe the mirror fold mechanism being broke caused the module to continually stay awake because it was awaiting a signal from the folding mirrors telling the module “I’m folded in now fool”. Just a guess.
Thats what I was thinking. The ebay module probably wasnt at fault. Either a bad motor, micro switch/position sensor in the right mirror. You see this often in rear wiper motors that wont go into the park position.
Ack! VW module coding is such a pain with 3rd party scantools. Glad you had a good old module to pull coding data from! Kinda fun to see a Romanian module, too! I remember years ago Latvia was kind of the go-to place for older VW parts.
Informative video as always Ivan. If my clients want ebay or used parts, I will do the leg work and tell them part numbers etc, however they buy the part and I will fit it but do not guarantee it. Was bitten a few times when I started out.
Hi Ivan, great work big fan! So basically front modules are master for rear modules, the wires can h and can l from gateway goes to the front module then separately from them goes to rear. Have a great day!👍🏻
Ebay part lasts less than a month... what a surprise :-) That bitmap programming for the door module is weird, particularly because it's not properly documented. Hope this time it behaves. This was an odd fault - almost like signal wires touching each other (maybe signals did leak, inside the faulty module).
Yes they made the module for you. The module does go in a few positions, just the firmware is different, so they made blank modules, then programmed the firmware, and laser etched modules with part number to order.
Wow, a comeback! How you would deal with the billing on that one since the ebay PDM went bad? I bet that was a tough call. But glad the owner know some like pulling fuses etc. To stop the draw. Awesome video! Great job, Ivan. Let's see no more comebacks lol. Haha
Yes, there is too many versions of programmable modules and those who unintalls those used parts should be wrote some extra nopepaper the exact type of car with win code from where it was originally installed. It might helps to investigate if future problems occurs. That mirror turning options might be reason for UK versus US-Europe differece as driwing wheel side. Your Videos is very intresting.
A good part doesn't need to go bad just because its been sold on eBay 🧐 Its not like its a knock off part. I would guess something else is causing the module to fail. Thinktool code does not work for me on the other side of the pond here 🙁
When I got my 2007 rabbit I had to change all four door lock solenoids or whatever those are. They were all done and gave all sorts of stupid codes until I replaced them. The car has been fine ever since. Except one. The aftermarket spring on one is weak and won't open the door until I pull it in first. One day I'll check to see if I can just swap the spring.
Great video, Thanks! I bought the scope last video, it works well but the buttons are more confusing then the uScope, So when I only need 1 channel like checking a Lin network I use the uScope, if I need more then the Pico or snap on.
Ah every tool is a bit different, takes a few minutes to get used to the buttons. Functionality of the 2 channel blows the UScope out of the water! And you can use your regular BNC leads with no special adapters 😉
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Yes the regular BNC is a nice touch That's why I bought a case from jarhead diagnostics that converts it to a regular BNC. Thanks for all your videos!
Its a right side left side drive global car, or at least the computer strategy is, the front doors modules have "slave" rear door modules, so you can have the master controls either on the left or right side front door, master control asks the passenger door module to command its rear door module. some of the lesser optioned cars only have one module per side, but they still control the right rear door with the right front door.
Hopefully that fixed it. If it comes back, I would check the actual door lock actuator. VW had some problems in the past with those internal micro switches.
I take it from your comment that they use a switch to decide when the process is complete rather than just pulse the solenoid for a specific length of time? Yeah, I could see that messing things up.
Just diagnosed a 2016 cayenne diesel. Same as a toaureg. The vehicle had no com with the driver side and rear door door modules. It was green crusting and broken pin in door jam connector. Why is the rear door have a no com? I looked everywhere in all data and factory manual there is no com wires to the rear door module. Why did the front module going down affect the rear. Even though they have separate power supplies and grounds. I believe the computer speaks to the rear doors through front door modules. Also rear windows worked just locks didn't. And everything goes through the modules. Wierd
To me it is a bit strange that two modules asserts the same error. An ECU usually wakes up on external stimuli and the non-working folding mirrors is something that I would have looked into since I suspect they have feedback contacts indicating fully folded and fully extended. Even though the folding logic is disabled in the ECU there's a possibility that it can influence the ECU anyway. The difference between the driver door control switches and the local door switches also gives me a bit of an itch, but if they only were different with fuse removed then it's a bit less of a concern.
I'm going to take a guess but if it's like GM, the passenger rear door is controlled from the master switch thru the buss line thru the passenger front door module because the rear doors don't have modules. So when the passenger door module loses power you have no control over rear door. The drivers rear door is controlled by the drivers in turn like the passenger.
@@gerrymoeller AFAIK, most modern cars have similar systems. VW is better than most as the bus protocols are documented well enough that there are cheap 3rd party tools like VCDS which allow dealer level programming without connecting to the manufacturer or having $2k of scantools/interfaces.
Before seeing this video after three minutes in, I say that all VW's have problems with the wiring at the spot between the body and the door. It gets tired and breaks. A simple solution would be to shape the wiring in an "S" shape there, like the Japanese do. But that would cost a few centimeters more wire and that is probably too expensive for VW.
LMFAO. German is crap. I am of German ancestry and drive Toyota. Where I work, we have MB Sprinters in our fleet. Me and my coworker have a 2012 for each of us. They collasal piles of dog 💩💩💩
Rear door modules aren't on the CAN bus, they connect to the car via a LIN bus through the front door module. So if you remove the front module there will be no comms with the rear module.
Nice video and diagnosis. Super Mario just posted a video about a Volvo foot module. The Lin bus wire was pushed out of connector and disabled the rear driver door. It looks like all door modules are connected to driver door module through Lin bus or other network.
Clearly the door module is unable to handle high currents drawn by all door accessories, that's probably why it fails. As door window motors and mirror motors and other accessories get old and wear out, friction goes up and more electric power is needed to move the mechanisms, and that means more current draw. Power transistors and MOSFET drivers in the module are marginal and will faile if current exceed the ratings. The best preventative measure against module failure in future would be to replace tired actuator motors and thoroughly lubricate window and mirror mechanism with silicone grease for free movement to minimize excessive current draw
Shorts to ground on the folding part would make me think they could be overloading internal circuits on the module... there are always knock on effects.
I had to install a kill switch on cars because of electrical gremlins. There is always software updates to fix modules but the OEM wants you to pay a premium to do so. This is a pay to fix racket. They only want you to go to authorized dealers so they can rake you over the coals but at least have some tech's that are at least close to the level Ivan is. He just does simple electrical and automation diagnostics. I have done this for years on complicated and expensive electronics and worked with professionals in the field to troubleshoot and fix million dollar machines but having this happen to your $10,000 dollar used luxury car is not worth the time and hassle.
Hey Ivan, are you sure that the shorted power folding mirror that is shorted to ground isn't causing that module to fail prematurely? Even if it isn't programmed to se it? Great troubleshooting as always!
For the Touareg this specific issue is an odd one because you’re likely getting an antenna issue DTC for a specific or all doors, but the reality is it’s actually a component in the Kessy module itself, and lock actuators are fine and throwing money away replacing them. Google Touareg Kessy.
Is why i drive Toyota. German cars are over engineered crap. Toyota is old school and ALWAYS last to the dance. I think this is why they tend to be very reliable over all.
had the same problem with my WV but here it was first the cabin lights that seemed to be the problem then the left door window was up and down with that it wasn't either but die solution that was defective so there way dealer give me money back for what was not defective and hours running on the hours they had spent on things that were ok
I totally agree, I drive my 4 vehicles, 2004 Cadillac Deville, 2003 Oldsmobile Aurora, 2002 Chevy 2500HD, and 2004 Chevy 2500HD, collectively with over 1.2 million miles between all 4
I wonder if the faulty mirror motors are the reason for the module failure. If the mirrors are not coded out and they're sending switched power to the motors (which are presumably brushed motors), a stall or another short will both cause excessive current draw and could damage some circuitry in the module if it isn't adequately overcurrent protected... there could even be a flyback voltage spike if the motor stalls, saturation current is reached, then mirror motor power switches off. That might be able to damage circuitry more easily than just a stall over-current. I'd say coding out the folding mirrors out is a good idea, or just unplug the mirror motors somehow.
I had a similar totally random parasitic draw on my father's ML. one night while walking past his car. I noticed a light inside. He was randomly leaving his GPS plugged in. Turns out the cigarette lighter stays powered with the keys removed and car locked.
Never really thought of that before, but I think this is common, because I have pumped up many tyres with the engine off and my pumps have been cigarette lighter powered.
Ivan, I just clicked the link for the scope and they are out of stock. "Currently unavailable. We don't know when or if this item will be back in stock. "
UPDATE: 2 channel scope is out of stock AGAIN! 😅 Seller says that more inventory is on the way on April 4 and 10, so please check back then. Discount code will still be available!
ALSO DON'T MISS THE THINKTOOL PROS MEGA DEAL $250 OFF!!
Okay Ivan now you got the eBay failed module, take it apart and try to fix it! Nothing to lose as it doesn't work anyway. Thanks for the video.
Ivan - Great info and great advice on diagnostic tools. What is the annual software update cost for the Thinktool PROS?
Just went to look for one. Ok.
@@elg4722 2 years free update then just buy a new one haha
@@amtpdb1 is it the module or the faulty folding mirrors causing it not to go to sleep the ebay module may be good
This is insane. There is no need for cars to be this complex that some little module in a door needs so much programming!
My 1972 Ford LTD Country Squire starts and drives and doesn't kill it's battery while parked.
They hire programmers and don't tell them wen to stop. Next thing will be remote opening of the gas flap and removing the cap from the driver's seat. I'm sick of it! And with the manufacturers pledging to stop using petroleum engines, the auto world is going to hades in a hand basket. This is nucking futs.
@@jeffryblackmon4846 What is seen at 10:24 is super-crazy. All of this just for the small interface module for power windows, power mirrors, power locks and a few lights??? This was all accomplished for decades without a "coded" module that apparently is almost impossible to source even for a ten year old vehicle. One could only imagine every module in the car needs this type of 'coding'. As soon as some critical module becomes unavailable, an otherwise mechanically perfect vehicle becomes a brick and gets parted out at a wrecker. Cars like this will not be on the road when they are 20 to 25 years old, not so much due to mechanical issues, but due to electronics becoming *_unobtainium._*
@@LakeNipissing super simple, with documentation VCDS. please update your knowledge. this is how all VAG and most other modern cars are managed these days.
Anybody want to make bets on which has more lines of code: the front passenger door module of a VW or the space shuttle?
because eventually they will lock out the 3rd party scan tools from re-programming the modules, citing infringement of their IP, and you'll only be able to buy parts and have them installed by the dealer.
Why is the rain guard on the drive side rear window glass??? It’s obviously supposed to be on the door “frame” lol Ivan you are an amazing tech and I enjoy watching all of your videos. I’ve upped my electrical diagnostic game tremendously with your knowledge. Thank you!
I think somebody just missed the point of those rain guards 😂
WTF...
@@RexenPrime HAHA that's right! 🤣
Lmao 🤣 I died when I saw that
The passager rear door module is probably connected to the the passager front to via a lin network and the passager front then talks over the can network. When i watched the first videos on this VW and you condemned the passager door module with out looking at any of it inputs, I thought you might have missed something.
Correct, at least that's how it works in the Passat. The rear module comms are via the front module through a LIN bus only. Rear door modules aren't on the CAN bus.
I support my comment on the previous video: get rid of the fancy electronic mods. Let's start with roll up windows, manual adjust mirrors, manual locks, et al.
I was 40+ before I got AC and power windows.
Those are not "fancy electronic mods", those are "profit centers" ! lol
Capacitors go bad in some of the old units ?
Most of the population is not like you and new car buyers don't keep cars past the warranty, so they just don't care. And neither do the manufacturers since you are not their customer....
Having owned now 4 Toyotas...not one has every had an electrical issue. The only issue was our 04 Corolla needed a new ECM...was a warranty issue and the recall. After that, not a single issue ever with electrical. Power Windows, power door locks never stop working. Toyota has engineered their cars to be seemingly bullet proof. Now, our 97 Ford Taurus had ALL kinds of electrical gremlins...will never own Ford again.
Ivan, I bet it helps to have a customer who understands how complex the car he owns can be. Hope there's not something else causing the problem. Thanks for Sharing!
In many makes and models of vehicles I have seen many similar problems that you are dealing with. I always look at the wiring from car body to door shell. The manufacturers love to skimp on wire. The result is broken wires in the loom. I've added length to so many broken wires to fix customer's issue. A few broken wires in there can cause so many problems. Your scanner telling you mirror short makes me wonder what it looks like in the loom. Internals of the mirror may also be compromised from weather. My fingers are crossed for you. Put a mirror on your shelf and keep your soldering iron warmed up just in case.
This whole CAN system goes back to the days when car manufacturers wanted to reduce the number of wires in the car by using a computer style communication network.
The principle is simple: power, ground, and communication wire to the module vs running wires for everything.
What did we get instead, you guessed a communication network AND even more wires running through the vehicle, because now every module has to talk to every other module and now on different busses. Brilliant!
Yes! What happened to multiplexing to save on copper and weight? This is ridiculous!
@@int53185
I've been in computer networking for a while and know how they work, but automotive networks have very different requirements. For one they have to be very robust because if an ethernet network goes down no one dies, a CAN bus failure at the wrong time can get someone killed, especially with the new breed of brake and drive by wire, but that's a different story.
What I can't understand is why some cars have three networks, high, medium and low speed. I understand they communicate with different devices on the networks, you want the engine, brake/stability, and transmission on the high speed bus, but if they adopted networking principles from computers and used a form of ethernet for communication speed and bandwidth wouldn't have been an issue. I'm sure the devices and protocols could have been designed to be extremely robust with high redundancy, and even self diagnosing. A smart ethernet switch can sense a misbehaving device and shut down that port without affecting the rest of the network.
I've seen modern car wire harnesses, I don't think the manufacturers reduced the use of copper that much, if at all.
Yet still another reason to add to my long list of reasons to prefer manual crank windows.
And the scope is out of stock again. Dang Ivan your followers must have all run out and bought them all 😂 Nice work as usual.
that same mirror switch is also mounted in a flat position, and you can bet they use those door modules in as many cars as they can, so easy to see why they would make it codeable to make sense weather the switch is mounted vertically or horizontally.
Thx Ivan! Been waiting to get one of these little scopes after seeing you put it through it's paces.....aw nuts! Sold out already? Ha! Hopefully I'll catch on when they smuggle some more in on the 4th or 10th!🕵🤔. God bless and thx for all you teach us! Your methods should be taught at ALL auto apprenticeship programs nation wide. People are going to need mechanics with these skill sets in the years to come. Think of the cars/trucks that cound be saved from the crusher and used by most folks just wanting basic transportation.....like 90% of us, ha! Much love and keep on sharing. I'm crippled up, only 67 and was a lead Metrologist with many other hats...i feel like I'm back in the classroom/lab😁
I got the notification for this video and instantly said aloud, "no way, not again"
As commented in Part 1, I had the same problem on my Audi A6 4G. I also struggled why the heck does the backseat passenger door not operate when the passenger door module is not on power. I could then not even open the backseat door. The solution is simple but ridiculous. If you look at the wiring diagram you can see that the passenger door module has a separate communication line only going to the backseat door module. I.e. the back seat module has no CAN connection. Therefore the module gets all information (and only gets activated) by the passenger door module. Crazy isn't it...
Why it must have a module to control a door opening in the first place 😂
I just want to preface this comment by saying I am laughing WITH you, not AT you, Ivan. You are always able to test and predict what is going to happen. When something happens that you don't expect it is funny! What's interesting is in the late '50's your ancestors were able to send a satellite, a monkey, and Yuri into orbit and later my man John went up and returned to earth without all of this complicated stuff. Great video!
Ivan, another great video with great info. I agree too many unneeded funtions
2013 VW Jetta hybrid has SIX, SIX different rear door lock actuators/latches. SIX. Oh, and its got a very helpful feature, if its equipped with a fuel door release in the driver door, and that driver door module fails or loses connection - you CANNOT fill gas. The fuel tank vent pressure release is tied to that fuel door release switch in drivers door. Eat a hot shet sanwich VW, eat it allllll up.
Stay gold.
Could the pulling of the fuse cause a “hard reset” in the module? Maybe the mirror fold mechanism being broke caused the module to continually stay awake because it was awaiting a signal from the folding mirrors telling the module “I’m folded in now fool”. Just a guess.
Good suggestions, TJ.
@@Peter_Riis_DK Makes sense!
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That's what I'm saying.
@@Peter_Riis_DK 👍
Thats what I was thinking. The ebay module probably wasnt at fault. Either a bad motor, micro switch/position sensor in the right mirror. You see this often in rear wiper motors that wont go into the park position.
Ack! VW module coding is such a pain with 3rd party scantools. Glad you had a good old module to pull coding data from! Kinda fun to see a Romanian module, too! I remember years ago Latvia was kind of the go-to place for older VW parts.
Informative video as always Ivan. If my clients want ebay or used parts, I will do the leg work and tell them part numbers etc, however they buy the part and I will fit it but do not guarantee it. Was bitten a few times when I started out.
Hi Ivan, great work big fan! So basically front modules are master for rear modules, the wires can h and can l from gateway goes to the front module then separately from them goes to rear. Have a great day!👍🏻
Thanks Ivan providing discount code, we all love to have a portable two channel scope for diagnostic purposes! Cheers!😁
Ebay part lasts less than a month... what a surprise :-) That bitmap programming for the door module is weird, particularly because it's not properly documented. Hope this time it behaves.
This was an odd fault - almost like signal wires touching each other (maybe signals did leak, inside the faulty module).
You are a genius. Seriously. Wish I had half of your talent.
"Volkswagon does it again!" Ebay couldn't "hang" with the car.
Nice fix Ivan!
I just bought that scope, holymoly, for the price I am very impressed.
Great job Ivan! Glad to see you using that scope. I just purchased one through your link as Walmart never came through.
Yes they made the module for you. The module does go in a few positions, just the firmware is different, so they made blank modules, then programmed the firmware, and laser etched modules with part number to order.
Diagnosis a great field
Always learning👍great
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Wow, a comeback! How you would deal with the billing on that one since the ebay PDM went bad? I bet that was a tough call. But glad the owner know some like pulling fuses etc. To stop the draw. Awesome video! Great job, Ivan. Let's see no more comebacks lol. Haha
Yes, there is too many versions of programmable modules and those who unintalls those used parts should be wrote some extra nopepaper the exact type of car with win code from where it was originally installed. It might helps to investigate if future problems occurs. That mirror turning options might be reason for UK versus US-Europe differece as driwing wheel side. Your Videos is very intresting.
A good part doesn't need to go bad just because its been sold on eBay 🧐 Its not like its a knock off part. I would guess something else is causing the module to fail. Thinktool code does not work for me on the other side of the pond here 🙁
When I got my 2007 rabbit I had to change all four door lock solenoids or whatever those are. They were all done and gave all sorts of stupid codes until I replaced them. The car has been fine ever since. Except one. The aftermarket spring on one is weak and won't open the door until I pull it in first. One day I'll check to see if I can just swap the spring.
Great job as usual Ivan. 😁👍
Thanks for the video Ivan great job on the VW. Take care of yourself and family and be Blessed ❤️❤️👍 it.
Great video, Thanks! I bought the scope last video, it works well but the buttons are more confusing then the uScope, So when I only need 1 channel like checking a Lin network I use the uScope, if I need more then the Pico or snap on.
Ah every tool is a bit different, takes a few minutes to get used to the buttons. Functionality of the 2 channel blows the UScope out of the water! And you can use your regular BNC leads with no special adapters 😉
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Yes the regular BNC is a nice touch That's why I bought a case from jarhead diagnostics that converts it to a regular BNC. Thanks for all your videos!
Its a right side left side drive global car, or at least the computer strategy is, the front doors modules have "slave" rear door modules, so you can have the master controls either on the left or right side front door, master control asks the passenger door module to command its rear door module. some of the lesser optioned cars only have one module per side, but they still control the right rear door with the right front door.
Hopefully that fixed it. If it comes back, I would check the actual door lock actuator. VW had some problems in the past with those internal micro switches.
I take it from your comment that they use a switch to decide when the process is complete rather than just pulse the solenoid for a specific length of time? Yeah, I could see that messing things up.
Just diagnosed a 2016 cayenne diesel. Same as a toaureg. The vehicle had no com with the driver side and rear door door modules. It was green crusting and broken pin in door jam connector. Why is the rear door have a no com? I looked everywhere in all data and factory manual there is no com wires to the rear door module. Why did the front module going down affect the rear. Even though they have separate power supplies and grounds. I believe the computer speaks to the rear doors through front door modules. Also rear windows worked just locks didn't. And everything goes through the modules. Wierd
To me it is a bit strange that two modules asserts the same error. An ECU usually wakes up on external stimuli and the non-working folding mirrors is something that I would have looked into since I suspect they have feedback contacts indicating fully folded and fully extended.
Even though the folding logic is disabled in the ECU there's a possibility that it can influence the ECU anyway.
The difference between the driver door control switches and the local door switches also gives me a bit of an itch, but if they only were different with fuse removed then it's a bit less of a concern.
I'm going to take a guess but if it's like GM, the passenger rear door is controlled from the master switch thru the buss line thru the passenger front door module because the rear doors don't have modules. So when the passenger door module loses power you have no control over rear door. The drivers rear door is controlled by the drivers in turn like the passenger.
Each door actually has its own dedicated module on the CAN. That's why I was surprised that the rear door was affected!
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics gotcha, and thus why I steer clear of german cars. Lol
@@gerrymoeller AFAIK, most modern cars have similar systems. VW is better than most as the bus protocols are documented well enough that there are cheap 3rd party tools like VCDS which allow dealer level programming without connecting to the manufacturer or having $2k of scantools/interfaces.
Before seeing this video after three minutes in, I say that all VW's have problems with the wiring at the spot between the body and the door. It gets tired and breaks. A simple solution would be to shape the wiring in an "S" shape there, like the Japanese do. But that would cost a few centimeters more wire and that is probably too expensive for VW.
LMFAO. German is crap. I am of German ancestry and drive Toyota. Where I work, we have MB Sprinters in our fleet. Me and my coworker have a 2012 for each of us. They collasal piles of dog 💩💩💩
Rear doors communicate through front doors on many vag vehicles that's why rear right isn't working if you pull passenger door module fuse
The switch direction mapping you mentioned in the bonus footage probably comes into play with right hand drive markets or something along those lines.
Rear door modules aren't on the CAN bus, they connect to the car via a LIN bus through the front door module. So if you remove the front module there will be no comms with the rear module.
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Nice video and diagnosis. Super Mario just posted a video about a Volvo foot module. The Lin bus wire was pushed out of connector and disabled the rear driver door. It looks like all door modules are connected to driver door module through Lin bus or other network.
You are the MAN Ivan! 05 corolla. What bidirectional scanner would you recommend? Is my car too slow for the Think Tool Pro?
Hey Ivan. Great video.
Good job Ivan. Thanks!
I learned A lot from these videos. But im also concerned about the direction of modern vehicles.
Those fuse panel’s always make me think of lite brite
Full send it down a Cliff 😂🎉
I hope the new module behaves itself, i would still take the faulty one apart to see if its cracked joint city lol :-D
Yes I'm Nosy :-D
Clearly the door module is unable to handle high currents drawn by all door accessories, that's probably why it fails. As door window motors and mirror motors and other accessories get old and wear out, friction goes up and more electric power is needed to move the mechanisms, and that means more current draw. Power transistors and MOSFET drivers in the module are marginal and will faile if current exceed the ratings. The best preventative measure against module failure in future would be to replace tired actuator motors and thoroughly lubricate window and mirror mechanism with silicone grease for free movement to minimize excessive current draw
Mine was due to a corroded button in the exterior door handle, for the single push door locking feature. Driver side. 2004 V10 500K miles
Passenger front door module will control the rear passenger door module that how they work on Land Rover and jags and it best to replace them both
Once you lose power, everything will need to be re-adapted before you even try to start to diagnose.
Would that be caused by Ivan putting in a new module or that would be on all VW?
Shorts to ground on the folding part would make me think they could be overloading internal circuits on the module... there are always knock on effects.
Maybe it was the fact that the foldable mirrors were not working which caused the module to become unstable.
I had to install a kill switch on cars because of electrical gremlins. There is always software updates to fix modules but the OEM wants you to pay a premium to do so. This is a pay to fix racket. They only want you to go to authorized dealers so they can rake you over the coals but at least have some tech's that are at least close to the level Ivan is. He just does simple electrical and automation diagnostics. I have done this for years on complicated and expensive electronics and worked with professionals in the field to troubleshoot and fix million dollar machines but having this happen to your $10,000 dollar used luxury car is not worth the time and hassle.
Hey Ivan, are you sure that the shorted power folding mirror that is shorted to ground isn't causing that module to fail prematurely? Even if it isn't programmed to se it?
Great troubleshooting as always!
Out of stock on the scope again. Looks like a cool new toy though
Modern conveniences, the gift that keeps on costing...
Oscilloscope "currently unavailable". They must go like hotcakes!
Ivan, the scope is out of stock again as of 9 am on friday
Like the pocket scope a lot, don't like working on VW or Volvo a lot. The DIN German cars are all about the coding.
Проводку в переходе двери бы поглядеть,частая проблема ВАГа
Передняя дверь общается по кану с машиной,а задняя по Лин с передней дверью
another great diagnostic.
I thought in part one the comfort CAN was responsible for only part of the draw and that there was another .6A or .7 to find?
For the Touareg this specific issue is an odd one because you’re likely getting an antenna issue DTC for a specific or all doors, but the reality is it’s actually a component in the Kessy module itself, and lock actuators are fine and throwing money away replacing them. Google Touareg Kessy.
owner says the folding mirror faulty is that the reason for the network staying awake intermittently
All the original factory parts for audi and vw are sent to romania and poland and reboxed so it is a oem part
Ivan it's back out of stock again!
Haha I know! That was fast! See pinned comment above 👆😁
When Phil bought the VW, he had hair.
Good one!,
Phil sure is a glutton for fine german engineering!
Is why i drive Toyota. German cars are over engineered crap. Toyota is old school and ALWAYS last to the dance. I think this is why they tend to be very reliable over all.
Almost makes you wonder if the broken folding mirror was shorting out the module.
very interesting stuff.
had the same problem with my WV
but here it was first the cabin lights that seemed to be the problem
then the left door window was up and down
with that it wasn't either
but die solution that was defective
so there way dealer give me money back for what was not defective
and hours running on the hours they had spent on things that were ok
What dealer was that?
@@alext8828 50 / 5.000
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It was a VW dealer
I can see the error now
I just watch your Super Mario shout out he save the best for last.
Makes you long for the days of roll up crank handle windows and manual locks...
the problem is this car has 3 more doors with modules nearly as defective as the passenger side.
Everyone can now be on the lookout for flat battery .
Run Forest run!
ive had problems with the seat memory portion buttons on side seat 1 2 3, get water in from door or window open
There is a reason I drive a 2003 malibu. Lmao
Lol, mine is 2004 with 255k but I know one of these days......
There's a reason why I drive my 08' Buick Lacrosse.
Sorry .but European cars really drive nice . You should try one . cheers 🍺
@@chrism5433 ok kewl. Buy me one and I will let you know how how it drives. Lol
I totally agree, I drive my 4 vehicles, 2004 Cadillac Deville, 2003 Oldsmobile Aurora, 2002 Chevy 2500HD, and 2004 Chevy 2500HD, collectively with over 1.2 million miles between all 4
Need to recite the parasitic draw prayer. Dear Lord, not another hard case to solve and give my poor brain a rest.
No come backs in Euro Trash just needs more parts HA!!
Does the ThinkTool Pros be able to read BMC mileage to compare against visual odometer mileage?
It will be back many times in future or until owner gets tire of its problems.
I wonder if the faulty mirror motors are the reason for the module failure. If the mirrors are not coded out and they're sending switched power to the motors (which are presumably brushed motors), a stall or another short will both cause excessive current draw and could damage some circuitry in the module if it isn't adequately overcurrent protected... there could even be a flyback voltage spike if the motor stalls, saturation current is reached, then mirror motor power switches off. That might be able to damage circuitry more easily than just a stall over-current.
I'd say coding out the folding mirrors out is a good idea, or just unplug the mirror motors somehow.
Makes you wonder if car companies save money in installing modules in staid of running extra wires.
Omg...I love my..Chevelle...no junk ..
Hi Ivan
I tried to buy the ZEEWEII Scope but it will not allow the promo code ?
BTW I am in the uk
Thanks
HI Ivan, What lead is that you are using with the scope?
I had a similar totally random parasitic draw on my father's ML. one night while walking past his car. I noticed a light inside. He was randomly leaving his GPS plugged in. Turns out the cigarette lighter stays powered with the keys removed and car locked.
Never really thought of that before, but I think this is common, because I have pumped up many tyres with the engine off and my pumps have been cigarette lighter powered.
Ivan, I just clicked the link for the scope and they are out of stock. "Currently unavailable.
We don't know when or if this item will be back in stock. "
See pinned comment above 👆😁
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Thank you brother. ;)
Maybe the front is a pass thru?
Maybe a wire is pinched or corroded switch?
Passengers side Module is Master and Passengers back is Slave
Thank you