1980 NLCS Gm4: Rose scores go-ahead run in the 10th
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- 10/11/80: Pete Rose scores the go-ahead run after colliding with Bruce Bochy at home on Greg Luzinski's go-ahead double in the 10th
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You know why he dropped the ball? Couldn't concentrate.... Rose had a reputation for running over catchers. Bochy saw him coming around and freaked out just enough to bobble the play. As Pete rounded third the song from Johnny Cash started playing on Bochy's mind: "I here that train a comin... coming around that bend...."
You're exactly right
Absolutely true. And the bit about the Cash song is hilarious.
He's banned from baseball for gambling but he was a balls to the wall epic ballplayer!!!
Exactly he new Pete was on his way had choked
It was a bad throw! The shortstop had time to make a good throw and he short hopped it.
Bruce Bochy: You're gonna have to come through me to get to home.
Pete Rose: No problem just hold my forearm with your face.
If he did that today, it would have been a brawl and an ejections. Back then, good hard-nosed baseball.
everyone has bad days, but Pete played his heart out in Philly, he deserves to be celebrated!
And he was not gambling then, I don’t believe. Neither was he betting when the Reds won in 1975-1976.
Always got your moneys worth when Pete Rose was playing
He’s lucky , I wasn’t playing catcher when he came in charging low head first. It would’ve been hand to his head push back,snap neck. I would have loved to have seen him laid out motionless as the ambulance comes on the field to strap him on the backboard off
to the emergency room where he’s pronounced DOA.😅😅
There will never be another Pete Rose
PETE ROSE H.O.F
There are plenty of Jeffries 👊🏽
And that's a good thing! He didn't need to deck the catcher; after the catcher dropped the ball, there was no way he was going to pick it up again and tag Rose before Rose stepped on home plate.
@@TomKingsleyB
Oh well
Best baseball player ever! I am blessed to have grown up on the west side of Cincinnati just like Pete! PETE ROSE 14 HOF
I'm from Delhi on the Westside. Love Peter Edward Rose.
Price Hill / Delhi during the summers.
Jon Lanier good comment and funny
Props to Mr Pete Rose from a Los Angeles Dodgers fan! Great battles between The Big Red Machine & The Big Blue Wrecking Crew!!!
"He Knocked BOCHY OVER!! HE KNOCKED BOCHY OVER!!!" God Bless Harry Kalas!!
Pete Rose is a Hall Of Famer!!! I always appreciated watching Pete Rose play the ballgame when he'd visit my team at Dodger Stadium in the 70s & 80s. He was awesome! So was Astro left fielder Jose Cruz!!! Much appreciation for how these guys played the game back then!
If nothing happened to the astros Pete definitely deserves to be inducted
People don't understand, Rose was betting on his team to win on Monday, and then NOT betting on the Tuesday game at all. He was managing the team and had control over who was playing, what relievers to use etc. The #1 rule posted inside every clubhouse was that one can not gamble on baseball. His doing it when he was the manager of the team undermines the very integrity of the game. If he had bet $100 to win on every game of the year, I could see an argument that he was just a gambling addict and shouldn't be banned. But that's not what he was doing. He was manipulating his bets based upon the knowledge that HE had about who would be playing. That is as bad as it gets. The Hall of Fame is the highest honor a player can receive. Obviously someone who undermined the credibility of the game should not receive baseball's highest honor.
@@susanmeinhardt5557 Well said... I think this angle isn't well-understood.
This is still obviously a lesser-sin than betting *against* one's team or of taking a bribe to throw games... it could be argued that he just didn't have confidence enough with the personnel in the latter games to place a bet... breaking the rules either way - and so there's no excuse. But you're right, there's a progression of grievous sins: 1) betting on your team to win every game, 2) selectively betting on your team to win (but sometimes not), 3) betting on your team to win or sometimes your team to lose, 4) taking bribes and betting on your team to lose.
Per the rules posted, all of these were off-limits, though arguably #1 shouldn't be considered to impact the integrity of the game. #2 *could* be considered as not impacting, but it would be far more subjective a case...
@susanmeinhardt5557 finally someone with a brain. Not betting on your team some games when you control the lineup us like betting on the other team
The irony of it all is that the backup catcher who dropped it will be a first ballot Hall of Famer as a manager. Lol.
Luzinski had two huge hits in this series. This one, and the 2-run HR in Game 1 (the only HR in this crazy series believe it or not). Both proved to be game winners. One of my favorite Phillies looking back.
Had a go ahead or game tying double in game 2 as well
Until Mike Schmidt really came to his own starting this 1980 season, I remember that Greg Luzinski was actually the BIGGER slugging star for the Phillies. He was the top NL votegetter for the 1978 All-Star Game, for instance. And he was the subject of more 1970's baseball magazine articles than Schmidt despite Schmidt's home run titles and great fielding, partly because Luzinski was a consistent .300 hitter with power in his best years with Phillies, at a time when high averages were really valued.
He had a bad 1980 season, which was his last with Philadelphia (started the season well, but injuries got to him). Still, I'm glad he had these 2 epic game-winning hits in the NLCS. His major contribution to their championship.
Bull also made a terrible error in game 5. Fielding wasn’t his strong suit, but he had a decent eye at the plate.
The Bull
Best NLCS of all time.
Broadcasters- Keith Jackson, Howard Cosell, and Don Drysdale
This is a fine example of how to destroy the blocking the plate rule, with a left forearm.
Those voices added to the fun & excitement, especially Keith Jackson.
His gambling issues aside, I miss watching Pete Rose play baseball.
tleatherland Pete was hold over from different era.
Rob Manfred & MLB are pro gambling! They love that revenue stream 🤑💰💸🤑💰💸🤑💰💸
My heart is still pounding over that series.
Studa Baker STILL?!?
@@ericthatsme still. 40 years later.
Now thats playing like a champion
I didn't know Ray Fosse also played for the Astros!
vccstudents Fosse was with the As in the All Star Game in the early 70s. Rose messed him up with a severe injury on a huge collision at the plate.
referring to the 1970 All Star game
@@jasonfaber1463…..Fosse missed less games than Rose and his next couple years were among his best. ---Pete Rose story.
Anybody don’t like Pete Rose dont know baseball.. my favorite player ever.
I agree long live the great Pete Rose
And when Pete Rose got his 4,192nd hit to break Ty Cobbs hit record who was the catcher that night? None other than Bruce Bochy.
Love those old school commentators.Bochy was blocking the plate and he got nailed by the hit king
As he said Rose got him right in the choppers :)
He's only the "hit king" because the egomaniac penciled himself into the lineup for five years past his expiration date as a productive first baseman. Great player in the 60s and 70s though.
@@markw4206 he was better than most though, even in the 80's
@@jaycompany4886 1981 (.390 OBA) was the last year that he was an asset. For five years following that he was a mid-.200s singles hitter taking up a premium offensive position because he penciled himself into the lineup to pad his career hit total. It was a farce.
@@markw4206you don't like rose huh
You couldn't play the ball off the wall any better than Cruz did on this play. Zero wasted motion.
Went to many Phillies games that year. Went to the playoffs, went to the World Series also. The whole family. We lived only a few miles from all 3 stadiums. Great times for Philadelphia.
couldn’t do that now, thanks to the MLB changing the rules on running into the catcher!.
it was a better game then!
there is a reason a play like that was called the most exciting play in baseball. Today’s snowflakes have no idea what they are missing. Give me broken up double plays catchers run over, pitchers pitching full games , inside pitching and no body armor over bat flipping homerun pimping 130 strikeout a year players wearing 50k in gold and obstruction and interference calls everytime
Bochy dropped the ball and Rose gave him a forearm shiver just for fun. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Feel bad for Bochy in retrospect (lifetime Phillies fan, watched this game as a teen and was thrilled by the play)... crazy hard short-hop to handle with a catcher's mitt, then got nailed by Rose to boot. If the throw doesn't short-hop Rose is out by a mile.
If the relay thrower doesn’t delay, rose is out
You know why he dropped the ball? Couldn't concentrate.... Rose had a reputation for running over catchers. Bochy saw him coming around and freaked out just enough to bobble the play.
WHY feel sorry for Bochy? Over 2,000 managerial wins and 3 World Series titles!
Then the throw was late by the fielder as he hesitated slightly, unless he was gauging where to throw.
Rose was hustling,looked like "The Bull" who hit it,no wonder it was hit so hard!
Being a catcher is a rough job....but it used to be a lot rougher.
Pete Rose: WWE Hall of Fame (Class of 2004) 🤼♂️
If Bochy runs up to make the catch before it hits the ground, I think Rose could've ran right past him and scored without contact. It was a tough play for the catcher to grab the short hop and then brace for the big guy coming at him.
It was so ridiculous of the commentators. These are reactions you have to make in a millisecond, and they're talking about how he should've done this or that, with the luxury of slow-motion and repeat. And even with that luxury, I think you're right; it wouldn't have been the right choice to move up and catch it on the fly.
Oh just beat yourself with some Asparagus already
I remember when we were kids, most of my classmates, I included, wanted to grow up and be like Pete Rose.
He was a GAMER!!!
Good thing you didn’t. I don’t think becoming a degenerate gambler who threw it all away was on your fantasy list.
Doesn't change the fact that he's the closest thing to a perfect ballplayer I've ever seen.
His base running was underrated. Coulda tallied at least 30 SBs a year if he wanted
Right. For years he hit in front of Joe Morgan, who didnt like it when guys attempted steals in front of him as he wanted to hit thru the gap.
Just smash into the 2nd baseman and jar the ball loose every time.
Broadcasting Legends!!! Keith Jackson, Howard Cosell & Don Drysdale!!! Hot damn, so great!!!!
Pete Rose = Hall of Famer!
+Adam130694 I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU!
if they can keep that murdering O.J. in the HOF, then Rose should be in also!
agree!!
Agree, and that's one baseball player I wouldn't want running at me full speed knowing I'm gonna be clobbered. Rose played wide open every play in every game. Hey HOF, put him in before it's too late.
BULLSHIT !! NEVER ! ! Game Fixing shall never be in the Hall of Fame as a part of baseball.
Pete Rose tackled Fossee and Bochy, but not to Pudge Fisk in game # 5 1975 WS in Reds Battle when Rose was tagged by Carlton Fisk from LF Juan Beniquez perfect throw
Rose should be in the Hall
Rock and Roll HOF
That was a smart rule change when the catcher can no longer block home plate . Avoids injuries .
If that elbow to the face isn't one big F you I don't know what is lol
😂
This is nuts. Joe Morgan plays for the Astros, then the Reds, then the Astros again, and to finish his career with Pete Rose in Philly.
Ah the good old days...
Rose was a Warrior no doubt about it.
Howard’s laugh
Bochy was thinking about Ray Fosse.
The best NL division championship ever .
To bring A World Series Championship to a team that has historically NEVER WON ONE is an attribute of how much of a player Charlie Hustle(Pete Rose) was.
All Baseball all the time, at full speed ahead!
Too bad Mike Schmidt constantly k-raps on Pete Rose any chance he can! Phillies never win without Pee Rose in 1980!!!
@@paolo-n2000
I wholeheartedly agree! Pete Rose brought that grit the Phillies were lacking before his presence.
Gotta love the early 80s... best era in sports, PERIOD! NFL was great... MLB was great... NBA was awesome... NCAA basketball was off the charts... and the uniforms were the best. Obviously the Astros, but the Phillies had great unis too in this era. Now everything's bland and baggy... boring...
To say nothing of the hair!
NHL SUCKED THOUGH ,..
Have to admit, I wasn't watching hockey then... and wasn't a soccer fan. But Golf was also great during this time... Tom Watson, Jack, Seve, and young guns like Greg Norman, Langer, Faldo, Price... some old guys still in it... Trevino, Floyd. Stadler... and again... great outfits and great hair
NHL had the Islanders and great Edmonton teams, boxing was still relevant and no one had better uniforms then the Expos. We cant for get HulkaMania Brother! You are 100% correct about NCAA basketball, good grief was it good during that era.
Ivan Drago Right! King Kong Bundy, Andre the Giant, Jimmy SuperFly Snuka, Hulk, etc, etc, etc... Everything was better in the early 80s
Never stopped. It wasnt even a thought
Did Rose even touch second or third base????? Didn't look like it!! God bless him!!
If you had a time machine and went back to 1980 and said after this play at the plate, "One of these men will be in the Hall of Fame, and the other will never appear on a HOF ballot," NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE, would have picked Rose to be the one on the outside looking in.
This was my childhood watching October baseball when my mom thought I was sleeping.
They can say anything they want about Pete Rose and his sins.
One thing is certain. Nobody ever played the game with as much tenacity and effort as he did. Charley Hustle 110% every game. He always came to the game ready to win.. nuff said ;)
THE Catcher was totally afraid of Rose,...
As they say in hockey, "He ran into my elbow".
Pete Rose era bien Rudo, wao! El Astrodome extraño ese Estadio, César cedeño en el CF, Cruz en lf
I couldn't have said it better my friend.
Was he attempting to high five the dug out with the wide turn at third? Talk about running outside the base paths.
I wish we could have seen a good throw and collision. Bruce would have known that Rose was going to come in full force like he did with the all star game catcher. He might have got up a little and launched into him higher up instead of taking a cheap shot forearm like a pro wrestling match. Would have been spectacular.
Rose era bien Rudo! Esa era su forma de jugar
Of the two players involved in the collision at the plate, only 1 will be inducted into the Hall of Fame in a few years...
Pete Rose said about stealing bases - "Ya gotta believe." ... "As ye have faith so shall your powers and blessings be. This is the balance - this is the balance - this is the balance." ~ Abdu’l’Baha, Baha'i Faith
If Willie Mays had been the one going after that ball, no way Rose would have scored. Willie would have caught it, and thrown Rose out at home.
Roberto duran coming in
Funny thing is...that this obscure backup catcher will make the HOF soon while the most celebrated Rose may not....
Why this man(Pete Rose) is not yet in Cooperstown today is still beyond me!
Go back and study the black Sox of 1919 and Judge Kennesaw Mountain Landis for more insight on why gamblers get banished for eternity.
watch his documentary 4192... you'll thank me
All the way from first wow and that was 14th year in the league
what a play by Rose, who believed right from the crack of the bat that he could score... a poor throw by Cruz led to another poor throw by Landestoy that set Bochy up to fail.
Another hit by the hit king!
I grew up with Pete Rose as an idol...but in retrospect his 'win at all cost' style of play was 'bush'. If he had shown some concern for the catcher(s) he bowled over, like at least asking if they were ok, then I'd say, "good play". But his lack of sportsmanship on the field was the same reason he was banned for gambling, His, "I didn't hurt anyone, I always bet on my team to win" attitude shows no regard for the damage to the sport or the other players that played the sport honestly. I saw him once signing/selling 'autographs' in a memorabilia store. Walked in, he was staring at a basketball game on a TV they had set up for him, never once acknowledging anyone that passed by him, probably worrying over a bet he made. He's not sorry he bet on baseball, only sorry he got caught.
Charlie Hustle, baby!
Back when men were men. Even the commentators made light of that hard hit at the the plate. Now days, ESPN talk shows will say how violent and unnecessary that was. How Rose should be suspended indefinitely and the catcher should have received a cat scan before he was allowed to return. This is back when players smoked in the dugout, drank alcohol, wore spikes and cared about winning.
Ur right can't argue with the truth..and the facts...
HALL OF FAME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Charlie Huscle 💪💪💪
The Astros should've been in the 1980 World Series against the Yankees. Houston had the best record in the NL and New York had the best record in the AL.
So, the record gets you in the playoffs....not the world series
The Astros were 1 game better in the regular season over the Phillies. The Phillies took 9 of 12 games from the Astros during the regular season. They weren't better than the Phillies.
@@ccjjpp1966 The Astros had the best record in the National League in 1980 so they definitely should've been in the World Series against the Yankees, the team with the best record in the American League that year.
@@jimsmith6603 Means nothing. Tell me in all 4 major sports leagues when the team with the best record in each conference not only makes the title round but wins the championship. The %'s are low.
@@jimsmith6603 Head to head that season (regular season and playoffs), the Phillies were 12-5 against the Astros. The NL east won the World Series in 1979, 1980, 1982 (3 out of 4 years from the same division, 3 different teams winning the World Series). The NL east was the best division in all of baseball during that time period.
Check out the biggest nerd in baseball history #13 on the Phillies at 2:02.
That is Turk Wendell. One of the strangest guys to ever play
THE GREAT PETE ROSE !
wait- the ball touched Pete before Pete got to the base - Pete is OUT! rewind the footage Johhny and slow it down.
Legend
Catcher knew what was coming. He remembers th1975 all star game!
1970, if you're referring to the Fosse collision
@@donjohnson9688 it was thank you.
Announcers were way better then too
Ray Fosse II
That wasn't "smart" base running. That was taking a risk and it worked out awesomely. Otherwise he would've been clearly out. Nonetheless very cool, and this man belongs in the hall of fame. It's time.
He gambled on it and won that time. Lol.
What happened there in that situation is that catcher was having back flashes at the time that Pete Rose is coming in a home plate in at All-Star game he knew that collision was coming he took his eye off the ball really Pete Rose was out but Pete roses way of playing that what that’s what made him take his eyes off the ball was fear out of that catcher That is what made Johnny bench the best catcher in baseball what is watching Pete rose play
baseball wont be this good ever again
Good lord Astros...Rose is at 3rd when the shortstop has it just behind 3rd, how do they not throw him out!!!????
Gotta love those rainbow uniforms.
Matthew, it's funny how my nephews feel the same way you do, although the oldest only vaguely remembers them as he was very young, and my other was nephew was born in 1989. I love the current look like that of the '50s whiz kids, but your passion for that 70s look is shared by many.
Yep, I love baseball uniforms from this time period.
Rose was kind of a jerk on the field. Not need to elbow the catcher in the face here.
Stick to managing Bruce
Pete would have run faster but he was trying to remember as he was running, "It's okay to hit the catcher, but don't kill him this time".
I bet he was betting he’d score.
Tossed salad and scrambled eggs, they're calling again.
Good Night Big Boy
RIP Bochy
Bruce Bochy is still living!!!
The commentators don't seem to know much about baseball.
Keith Jackson is the best college football announcer of all time. Cosell knows about everything. He would have told you as much.
You block the plate, you assume the hit
This is how Bochy got that messed up looking eye.
Who are the commentators in this video?
Howard Cossell and Don Drysdale
And play by play Keith Jackson
Rose was psycho!
Still is.
And THAT Ladies and Gentlemen is how Baseball is played. A HOF play from a HOF player. commissioner, you listening?????
CHARLIE FCKIN HUSTLE BABY !!!
How can a major league catcher not come up with that? It wasn't that tricky of a short hop.
Mark Silverman idk if you are a catcher or not but catching a ball coming form the outfield like that with that bounce could be difficult depending on the field
The Bull
Go Astros
all those uniforms back then were heinous, just heinous... Heinous i say!
Eh, whut's that yuh say, sonny?
Keep him banned forever!