Too bad the Planet Killer didn't appear in front of the Moon, allowing the viewer to see our satellite become obscured by darkness. It might have made for a more impressive visual.
The Centauri Trilogy goes into detail about the Drakh plans. Vir and Galen destroy a second planet killer before the Drakh can launch it (which is kind of ridiculous) the original goal was to use the plague on the Minbari. It wasnt ever entirely clear how the creators wanted to deal with the plague is it always a 5 yr plague or can it be set for a certain species like Minbari and be instantly fatal. The novel and Crusade implied the drakh weren't planning on using it on Earth. As I recall
@@mobulis I know its an older post, but from what JMS has said as of late the plague was going to be taken care of around mid season 2. The real threat was going to be the Earth Force Black Ops groups from Clarks days still using the Shadow tech. The Excalibur would be declaired bad guys by Earth Force and have to go on the run. That is why we have episodes where the group of humans who was given the plague through tainted food by Earth Force Generals. And about who destroyed the Captains past ship.
I disagree. It conveys menace, weirdness, mystery and the accompanying anxiety and fear. That's what the Drakh represented. But hey, it's just opinion. To each their own.
This is just IMO. Crusade in itself "IS" a mistake, the cast they put together felt more like what Guardian of the Galaxy (the movie) got right (Of course B5C came out first.) Crusade or rather Excalibur crew was a group of basically misfits, outcast, mash up. I understand the concept but it didn't work well as they hoped it would. Plus some of the blue (green?) screen that they used was too much, I mean technology wasn't that great back then, but Crusade couldn't really camouflage the scenes that well, compare to OG B5.
TheVampireOfKPOP it's not about him it's the fucking fans the fans have treated this show like a stepchild for the moment it came on in syndication it doesn't seem to be a worldwide appeal for it. And none of the actors seem to be interested in helping get a reboot started when you been with a show that long you fight for it that's what David Hasselhoff did for Baywatch he fought for that show when NBC cancelled it the results it became the most watched show for the next 15 years in syndication all because one actor gave a damn about his show that's why
the fans have supported the show and want a reboot but as JMS states he has no power as WB own he rights and they don't want to do scifi at the moment as its too expensive same reason they are unwilling to do a digital remaster
"Fire forwards guns, maximum power, full dispersion pattern" "Sir, at this distance the beams will disperse" "DON'T YOU SAY! SOMEONE GIVE A PROMOTION TO THIS MAN!"
As a tactical officer it IS his job to most effectively use the ships weapons and alert the Captain to those facts. He wasn't being insubordinate, he was doing his job.
@@crazy4hire139 It was still his job to alert the captain as to the weapons capabilities and probable outcome. It's the tactical officers job to make sure the ship is using every weapon it has efficiently. If it was a life and death situation with only seconds to act on a command given, sure, but verifying he had heard the captain correctly in the situation shown is fine. Even the captain didn't make an issue of it.
It wouldn't. "Full Dispersion Pattern" would just mean have the weapons spray as wide an arc as possible, basically (hit as many things as possible, not the one point as hard as possible). The beams dispersing would 100% refer to the fact the weapons themselves would be at maximum, or beyond maximum, range and won't actually harm the target.
One thing about this is I got to see Carlos Benard before he protrayed Almedia in 24. FYI he is the Earthforce Lieutenant on the Excalibur taking orders from President Sheridan.
Huh, never noticed that until now, you actually see them using their guns! All this time I assumed the Brakiri were there for moral support, like the GR-75 Medium Transports the Rebels bring with them to every space battle.
@@Ushio01 The enemy ships jumped in just over the moon. If the moon had planetary defense systems of it's own, it could of helped to take out a large portion of those ships.
Sheridan, I recommend you play the polish game 'witcher'. The ones you call drakh, are in the game, they are what are known to be barguests returned for more beer with something to tell you.
They did too many off-mission sidetrips... I lost interest almost immediately... B5 stayed true to its storyline, even when they went into comedy... The Legend Of The Rangers never got a chance.
crusade got studio interferance. get the script books from cafe press. they cured the plague in season two and then had to be on the run from Earthforce forces who were using leftover shadow tech.
The music always felt very wrong to me in A Call To Arms... like here, a very epic space battle but the music is treating it like it is a prelude to something else. Some might say that it is supposed to sound that way, that the tick tock countdown-track is musical suspense that's leading up to the metaphorical bomb that goes off in the way of the plague descending onto earth, but I don't buy it, I'd much prefer the bombastic horns and climbing strings to this tick tock-clock movement; it makes for a more exciting, if not as supspenseful, experience.
Since the battle itself wasn't the focus, I guess they didn't bother to make the music fit into it in such an emotional way. It didn't matter how many ships they lost if they couldn't stop the cloud, and it was known from the beginning, so it makes sense to me, though I like the way you described the music.
@BMWM3GTRLOVER Not sure if you are referring to this (since it is common on RUclips to replace the original music with new music and you might think that is the case here) this clip does use the original score -- which I agree was the weak point of the scene.
What I never understood is why does the Drakh use Vorlon effect type jump drives. The First Ones all have their own style of entering and exiting hyperspace, the younger race we saw all use the same because they were all influenced by the Vorlons, I would assume the Drakh being outright Shadow minions would have adapted towards Shadow version of jump drives.
I guess the Shadows unique phasing style of entering or leaving subspace was an integral part of their technology. As we can see the Drakh use their own technology at least for their own ships. The Vorlon style seems to be the default and so they use that.
The Drakh had shadow tech and a shadow planet killer!! Minbari don’t have that kind of tech. They only had White Stars and Vorlons limited them, a lot. Earth had more shadow tech then the Drakh though according to the Crusade. The Minbari don’t have no planet killer or shadow tech. In fact the Earth Warlock is probably the most powerful ship there besides the shadow planet-killer, as the EA Warlock can level a planet with its dual particle beams (same ones on EA defense grid)
Boz In the Crusade EarthForce had a advanced ship that could phase in and out of hyperspace WITHOUT needing jumpgates/points - just like real shadow ships. The Drakh never got that. How Earth reversed engineered it that quickly, who knows, maybe the shadows handed some over. One particle beam from the Earth defense platforms can wipe out the eastern seaboard. The Warlocks have two of them.... So for the younger races the Warlock and Sharlin rule the skies for sheer power.
The quality of this battle just doesn't stand up to what we all saw during the series, The Battle in "Shadow Dancing" The Battle of Coriana VI, The Thirdspace Battle, The Battle of Proxima, The Battle between Ivanova and Clarke's Omega X's etc. All these and the others were far superior than this one.
Most of Babylon 5's spin-off films and series were stillborn, suffering from tasteless soundtracks, vapid screenplays and ponderous direction. Small wonder JMS could not keep the franchise alive.
James Davies Sheridan said the defense grid could handle the Drake fleet, yet we didn’t see it in action until the end... Plus, the EA defense grid particle beams can destroy a planet (EA Warlocks used the same particle beams) so why not have a Warlock Fire it’s dual particle beams at the planet killer? Surely it’s stronger than the Victory classes main weapons, unless the victory class can destroy planets also, which I don’t think it can according to the Crusade... So yeah, not the best battle. But the Drakh stood no chance against the EA defense grid + such a massive EA fleet. Add in Minbari and ISA support and it’s beyond overkill. Earth-alliance lost 300+ Omegas in the battle according to ISN but didn’t bat an eye... Which goes to show EA probably had thousands of Omegas (plus Warlocks, Hyperion, etc) guarding Earth which is an insane fleet size for any race.
Simple, it was saturated with too many targets. It shot down a lot of Drahk ships, but the sheer number of them guaranteed it wouldn't be able to get them all.
Also, they did take out a few of those ships. The debris with the plague could still enter the atmosphere. Especially since it was techno-organic nanotechnology.
Studio gave green light for several movies and instead of closure to Centauri story or Telepath War which were hinted in original run we have THIS?!!! I really don't understand
One thing of this story that never made sense is why did they attack Earth? Earth never was part of the war against the Shadows Sheridan and Babylon 5 were and they broke away from earth.. earth under Clark were working w/Morden and the Shadows and stayed loyal to them, not like Lando that crossed Morden and that's why they came to Lando home-world.. this movie was blah lol
+Patrick Stivers if I recall from Bester words to Giraboldi it wasn't Clark who made a move against the shadows it was the Shadows themselves who did it by giving the lethal drugs to the bizman against the PSI .. Clark didn't make a move against the, like Lando did.. Still no reason to go against earth..
ghfun1 What I meant was that Clark pitted the Shadows and the Psi-Corp against each other since he felt they were the only groups that could threaten his position. He basically played both sides so that he could remain in power.
+Patrick Stivers oh yes got you.. Still what Clark did wasn't like what Londo did killing Morden and destroying the ships so I still don't get why did they attack earth? their revenge should be against Sheridan and Delenn and Londo which they did not earth..
ghfun1 They were trying to make a statement to the IA "by destroying Earth on a big show of force". They probably chose Earth because it was the home world for the IA President (Sheridan) and they may not have been as confident about blasting through the Minbari's defenses.
JMS wanted a new sound for a new show. He didn't want "Crusade" to be season six of ""Babylon 5." Christopher Franke recommended Evan Chen and JMS listened.
Even Chen did start to grow on me during the Crusade series... but this music is just bleh. It's completely the wrong tone for a climactic battle, hell it's practically elevator music!
The way i see it he had been playing up his Russian connections as part of his protest. Once he realised he was facing a serious tactical situation he stopped playing around.
why are not the moon fortified? Good flanking position. If i would rule the Earth in the space age, I would have fortified the moon, had missilebatteries everywhere, big homefleet, interceptorsquadrons on Mars and most of the moons, why? this is our home!
@MultiKronblom prior to 2262 mankind had only one means of producing artificial gravity & It required that every vessel & spaceport had to be specially designed for rotational centrifugal force generation in order to produce pseudo-gravity, Which is why the moon was not suited for major human colonization as its natural gravity was too weak, they likely built a Stanford torus space station to orbit the moon.
it is unfortunate that the director saw fit to add soundeffects to scenes in space. sadly simillar to the addition of canned laughter to a well written and executed comedy that should otherwise not need it.
+Henry Worthey Crusade. It was awful, was rebooted after a few episodes and then cancelled before even half a season. There was one episode where Excalibur (the huge ship) was quite literally being f*cked by aliens. Everything JMS made after B5 was trash. The B5 movies (except In the Beginning although it was only OK), the Legend of the Rangers (shudder) and Lost Tales (just baaaad). I don't know if it was a budget thing or purely bad writing. I tend to think it was poor writing and the inability to recast any of the original actors.
culversketch In the Beginning, Thirdspace and River of Souls, were the first three movies that were fully written by JMS just as B5 was hitting it's stride but before TNT started messing with the format. They were not good movies. Thirdspace actually stared many of the original cast and it was just awful. JMS also created and wrote Legend of the Rangers after Crusade and the switch to SyFy. Not only was it beyond awful (it has a rating of 6.0 on IMDB which I think is being kind, ItB has a 7.7), it actually managed to undermine much of the lore established over 5 seasons of the original show. Lost Tales, an obviously on budget 'proof of concept' was marred by more awful writing that wouldn't have been out of place in B5 season 1. Again, JMS had full creative control there. I'm sorry to say that everything JMS produced in the B5 franchise since the 1998 has just been, well, bad. Crusade was the only project in which JMS did not have creative control and there has to be a point, after so many projects, producers and studios, that we have to wonder where the real talent of B5 really was.
Where talent was? Actors, I would say half of B5 magic would not worked without actor who gave all to their performances. Movies just had some newcomers or not all original cast was that good or dedicated. Maybe material was not interesting also. B5 was great because it was long story line with big paybacks latter. And actors could bounce from each others performances.
... so sad that the music in this movie does not come even close to proper B5 sadly... Better ost that we came to expect of B5 would have lifted this movie up certainly 100x. Shure the Excalibur AND their actualy FAILING BATTLE where typical B5.. but without proper ost B5 does simply not work out..
Last week I saw the movie even tho I loved seeing Sheridan and Michael again I thought the story sucked I couldn't bring myself to try watch the show the story sucks it doesn't work for me in the Babylon 5 story I prefer to forget this lol I prefer doing story about the telepath war.
my wife thanks you but kidding aside, when star trek stole the B5 idea to create DS9. that was the beginning of the end. The final series (ENTERPRISE) was totally pulled from someone's ass and the last movie which rewrote the entire back story is insane. The actors were magnificent, the effects amazing, story really really sucked. So many possible stories to tell (like Diane Carey's Final Frontier) and they pick another frikken time travel paradox story. FFS.
This was a really well done movie, when Babylon had full matured. It's such a shame what TNT did to Crusade.
Too bad the Planet Killer didn't appear in front of the Moon, allowing the viewer to see our satellite become obscured by darkness. It might have made for a more impressive visual.
yeah, missing out on the theatrics.
This movie needs a remaster.. A full remaster, bring all the CGI to modern standards.
And a new musical score.
The Centauri Trilogy goes into detail about the Drakh plans. Vir and Galen destroy a second planet killer before the Drakh can launch it (which is kind of ridiculous) the original goal was to use the plague on the Minbari. It wasnt ever entirely clear how the creators wanted to deal with the plague is it always a 5 yr plague or can it be set for a certain species like Minbari and be instantly fatal. The novel and Crusade implied the drakh weren't planning on using it on Earth. As I recall
it was hinted at that the plague 5 year was an estimate and that it could quicken. there were already some deaths.
5 years was time needed for the nanovirus to adapt to human physiology.
@@mobulis I know its an older post, but from what JMS has said as of late the plague was going to be taken care of around mid season 2. The real threat was going to be the Earth Force Black Ops groups from Clarks days still using the Shadow tech. The Excalibur would be declaired bad guys by Earth Force and have to go on the run. That is why we have episodes where the group of humans who was given the plague through tainted food by Earth Force Generals. And about who destroyed the Captains past ship.
I never saw this/these. I hope to find them to watch. Always love B5.
One of the greatest mistakes of Crusade was that its music was nowhere near as good as the one from Babylon 5. Literally zero emotion was conveyed
Yes. This was the first B5 battle that just fell flat.
I got angry by your comment, but then I listened tk the music and forgot what to feel.
I disagree. It conveys menace, weirdness, mystery and the accompanying anxiety and fear. That's what the Drakh represented. But hey, it's just opinion. To each their own.
This is just IMO. Crusade in itself "IS" a mistake, the cast they put together felt more like what Guardian of the Galaxy (the movie) got right (Of course B5C came out first.) Crusade or rather Excalibur crew was a group of basically misfits, outcast, mash up. I understand the concept but it didn't work well as they hoped it would. Plus some of the blue (green?) screen that they used was too much, I mean technology wasn't that great back then, but Crusade couldn't really camouflage the scenes that well, compare to OG B5.
That’s putting it mildly. Crusade’s “music” was atrocious.
General: "G! I hope we aint up this damn early for some bull-"
Sees jump gates
General: "Whatcha need!"
I hope JMS considering making a mini-series of the Dilgar War. Would love to see the Nova Dreadnought in action.
TheVampireOfKPOP it's not about him it's the fucking fans the fans have treated this show like a stepchild for the moment it came on in syndication it doesn't seem to be a worldwide appeal for it. And none of the actors seem to be interested in helping get a reboot started when you been with a show that long you fight for it that's what David Hasselhoff did for Baywatch he fought for that show when NBC cancelled it the results it became the most watched show for the next 15 years in syndication all because one actor gave a damn about his show that's why
the fans have supported the show and want a reboot but as JMS states he has no power as WB own he rights and they don't want to do scifi at the moment as its too expensive same reason they are unwilling to do a digital remaster
@@charlesneely They made over 500 million in DVD sales a few years after they released it, they def have the fans for it.
"Fire forwards guns, maximum power, full dispersion pattern"
"Sir, at this distance the beams will disperse"
"DON'T YOU SAY! SOMEONE GIVE A PROMOTION TO THIS MAN!"
As a tactical officer it IS his job to most effectively use the ships weapons and alert the Captain to those facts. He wasn't being insubordinate, he was doing his job.
@@crazy4hire139 It was still his job to alert the captain as to the weapons capabilities and probable outcome. It's the tactical officers job to make sure the ship is using every weapon it has efficiently. If it was a life and death situation with only seconds to act on a command given, sure, but verifying he had heard the captain correctly in the situation shown is fine. Even the captain didn't make an issue of it.
Tony Almeida was never that good with following orders right away
I have a feeling that 'full dispersion patterns' (a military term) have nothing to do with laser dispersal(a physics term).
It wouldn't. "Full Dispersion Pattern" would just mean have the weapons spray as wide an arc as possible, basically (hit as many things as possible, not the one point as hard as possible).
The beams dispersing would 100% refer to the fact the weapons themselves would be at maximum, or beyond maximum, range and won't actually harm the target.
The general's accent... all I can think of is "Bettle Crooser Owparational..."
Nuclear wessels
@@Centurion-ce6qj No, that's the creepy guy from the Psi-corp
@@weldonwin Your talking about Bester. AKA Chekov fro Star Trek TOS
@@ThePurplePunster Yes, who's character is named after Science Fiction writer Alfred Bester
That's StarCraft/ SCII
The Battle Of "Fire" will be forever remembered
Wait...Tony Todd is in this clip? How did I manage to miss the goddamn Candyman kicking ass and taking names?
Kurn, Son of Mogh.
Who was the asshole who walked into his shot!
Or Carlos Bernard?
Admiral Marcus Ramirez in “Prelude to Axanar” (2014).
One thing about this is I got to see Carlos Benard before he protrayed Almedia in 24.
FYI he is the Earthforce Lieutenant on the Excalibur taking orders from President Sheridan.
i knew that was tony, man he was young then.
I think that is the first time we've ever seen a Brakiri ship actually engaging in combat.
Didn't we see their ship fighting in season 3 against the Shadows?
Yes. Got cut into several pieces.
Huh, never noticed that until now, you actually see them using their guns! All this time I assumed the Brakiri were there for moral support, like the GR-75 Medium Transports the Rebels bring with them to every space battle.
@@Raguleader The GR-75 are an important part of the fleet. They eat turbo laser bolts that would otherwise hit actual warships.....
@@Debbiebabe69 What does the GR-75 do in battle?
It's best.
is it just me of do the Drakh ships look like space invaders LOL
Missile batteries and cannons on the Moon anybody?
The moon is between 360,000km and 406,000km away from Earth it has it's own defences but is to far to defend Earth,
@@Ushio01 The enemy ships jumped in just over the moon. If the moon had planetary defense systems of it's own, it could of helped to take out a large portion of those ships.
That was done to set the context, but IRL they could have come at Earth from any direction.
Sheridan, I recommend you play the polish game 'witcher'. The ones you call drakh, are in the game, they are what are known to be barguests returned for more beer with something to tell you.
Too bad Crusade didn't last It would have been a great show
They did too many off-mission sidetrips... I lost interest almost immediately... B5 stayed true to its storyline, even when they went into comedy... The Legend Of The Rangers never got a chance.
crusade got studio interferance. get the script books from cafe press. they cured the plague in season two and then had to be on the run from Earthforce forces who were using leftover shadow tech.
TLOTR was cool and all, but the woman kicking gunfire was sooo lame
I liked Crusade
The music always felt very wrong to me in A Call To Arms... like here, a very epic space battle but the music is treating it like it is a prelude to something else. Some might say that it is supposed to sound that way, that the tick tock countdown-track is musical suspense that's leading up to the metaphorical bomb that goes off in the way of the plague descending onto earth, but I don't buy it, I'd much prefer the bombastic horns and climbing strings to this tick tock-clock movement; it makes for a more exciting, if not as supspenseful, experience.
Since the battle itself wasn't the focus, I guess they didn't bother to make the music fit into it in such an emotional way. It didn't matter how many ships they lost if they couldn't stop the cloud, and it was known from the beginning, so it makes sense to me, though I like the way you described the music.
A Russian whould not say that, he would say Boshiemoi.
That is just the weirdest battle music I've ever heard on any sci-fi show. I liked it and it's memorable, but it is weird.
you know when cats do that weird dough-needing thing? this was some intern doing that on a drum machine from circa 1983. 👍👌
1:55 i think thats the first canonical appearance of a Warlock class destroyer/dreadnought.. and its very obscured
wow, that must have been a lot of pixels per frame. at least seven,maybe even eight.
"What do you want me to do?"
Explain what happened to your accent.
when Russian generals go serious they stop being Russian
"What do you want?"
The new jump point effects were far far more better than the main series...
I would be ok if Babylon 5 got a reboot but we can forget this version.
If they rebooted the series, you'd lose so much of what made it good.
rizon72 I think I’d be happy if someone reboots just the CGI while keeping the rest unchanged.
Oh so you're a fan of mindless action then?
Captain Anderson fights like a Klingon!
after this, zathras pulled the gunnery officer through time to help stop terrorists as CTU agent tony almeida.
And not once in that clip did I hear the only words that matter in those circumstances ....... BATTLE STATIONS .
@BMWM3GTRLOVER Not sure if you are referring to this (since it is common on RUclips to replace the original music with new music and you might think that is the case here) this clip does use the original score -- which I agree was the weak point of the scene.
russian general looks like trolololo man
Think of this scene but with the Christopher Franke music............ it would be epic.
0:49 is it just me or do the Drak ships look like Space Invaders lol
That is so true
At 0:43x, is that ben hur from tim and eric???
What I never understood is why does the Drakh use Vorlon effect type jump drives. The First Ones all have their own style of entering and exiting hyperspace, the younger race we saw all use the same because they were all influenced by the Vorlons, I would assume the Drakh being outright Shadow minions would have adapted towards Shadow version of jump drives.
I guess the Shadows unique phasing style of entering or leaving subspace was an integral part of their technology. As we can see the Drakh use their own technology at least for their own ships. The Vorlon style seems to be the default and so they use that.
Shouldn't the Mimbari flotilla have been fucikng up literally everyone else?
thecraziestofalldave I think the Drakh were pretty close , maybe even with the minbari in tech.....
The Drakh had shadow tech and a shadow planet killer!! Minbari don’t have that kind of tech. They only had White Stars and Vorlons limited them, a lot. Earth had more shadow tech then the Drakh though according to the Crusade. The Minbari don’t have no planet killer or shadow tech. In fact the Earth Warlock is probably the most powerful ship there besides the shadow planet-killer, as the EA Warlock can level a planet with its dual particle beams (same ones on EA defense grid)
Drakh tech based on shadow technology was better then Minbari
@@avenger4cats72 No. The most powerful ships there were the 2 huge Victory class warships.
Boz In the Crusade EarthForce had a advanced ship that could phase in and out of hyperspace WITHOUT needing jumpgates/points - just like real shadow ships. The Drakh never got that. How Earth reversed engineered it that quickly, who knows, maybe the shadows handed some over.
One particle beam from the Earth defense platforms can wipe out the eastern seaboard. The Warlocks have two of them.... So for the younger races the Warlock and Sharlin rule the skies for sheer power.
Dureena nafeel 😊
"What do you want me to do?" --- Did he lose his Russian accent?
I know and like we wouldn't notice
that just means he said it in russian! Good on Sheridan for comprehending :D
Ha! Perfect :-)
The quality of this battle just doesn't stand up to what we all saw during the series, The Battle in "Shadow Dancing" The Battle of Coriana VI, The Thirdspace Battle, The Battle of Proxima, The Battle between Ivanova and Clarke's Omega X's etc. All these and the others were far superior than this one.
Most of Babylon 5's spin-off films and series were stillborn, suffering from tasteless soundtracks, vapid screenplays and ponderous direction. Small wonder JMS could not keep the franchise alive.
James Davies once the show went to TNN everything went all to hell
James Davies Sheridan said the defense grid could handle the Drake fleet, yet we didn’t see it in action until the end... Plus, the EA defense grid particle beams can destroy a planet (EA Warlocks used the same particle beams) so why not have a Warlock Fire it’s dual particle beams at the planet killer? Surely it’s stronger than the Victory classes main weapons, unless the victory class can destroy planets also, which I don’t think it can according to the Crusade...
So yeah, not the best battle. But the Drakh stood no chance against the EA defense grid + such a massive EA fleet. Add in Minbari and ISA support and it’s beyond overkill.
Earth-alliance lost 300+ Omegas in the battle according to ISN but didn’t bat an eye... Which goes to show EA probably had thousands of Omegas (plus Warlocks, Hyperion, etc) guarding Earth which is an insane fleet size for any race.
The battle against the drakh in lines of communication.
2:15 "FIRE!"
Was tony Todd in every sci fi show in the 90s?
Where is the rest of the battle??? Good quality!
Sheridan, alas we knew you. :(
Damn! Marjean Holden was such a babe!
This movie, and the Crusade series itself, really, really needed more B5 sounding music. The soundtrack was terrible
i still dont see how the drakh plague was administered considering the god defense grid should have prioritized targets closest to the planet
Simple, it was saturated with too many targets. It shot down a lot of Drahk ships, but the sheer number of them guaranteed it wouldn't be able to get them all.
Also, they did take out a few of those ships. The debris with the plague could still enter the atmosphere. Especially since it was techno-organic nanotechnology.
Studio gave green light for several movies and instead of closure to Centauri story or Telepath War which were hinted in original run we have THIS?!!! I really don't understand
0:53 space invaders!
Hahaha - I was thinking the same thing! :)
2:16 - Is that Tony Todd?
I had no idea he was in B5.
I never remember seeing that one before
One thing of this story that never made sense is why did they attack Earth? Earth never was part of the war against the Shadows Sheridan and Babylon 5 were and they broke away from earth.. earth under Clark were working w/Morden and the Shadows and stayed loyal to them, not like Lando that crossed Morden and that's why they came to Lando home-world.. this movie was blah lol
+ghfun1 Clark wasn't loyal to the Shadows. He only used them to gain a position of power and then he pitted the Psi Corp against them.
+Patrick Stivers if I recall from Bester words to Giraboldi it wasn't Clark who made a move against the shadows it was the Shadows themselves who did it by giving the lethal drugs to the bizman against the PSI .. Clark didn't make a move against the, like Lando did.. Still no reason to go against earth..
ghfun1 What I meant was that Clark pitted the Shadows and the Psi-Corp against each other since he felt they were the only groups that could threaten his position. He basically played both sides so that he could remain in power.
+Patrick Stivers oh yes got you.. Still what Clark did wasn't like what Londo did killing Morden and destroying the ships so I still don't get why did they attack earth? their revenge should be against Sheridan and Delenn and Londo which they did not earth..
ghfun1 They were trying to make a statement to the IA "by destroying Earth on a big show of force". They probably chose Earth because it was the home world for the IA President (Sheridan) and they may not have been as confident about blasting through the Minbari's defenses.
the soundtrack was so bad ... what was JMS thinking?
Too small a budget. I swear, the soundtrack plays like suspended animation.
JMS chose to replace Franke with Evan Chen- that was the point really. But he could have found a better replacement than Chen that's for sure.
I know. There was no excitement in the music. It didn't get anyone hyped up in the battle
JMS wanted a new sound for a new show. He didn't want "Crusade" to be season six of ""Babylon 5."
Christopher Franke recommended Evan Chen and JMS listened.
Even Chen did start to grow on me during the Crusade series... but this music is just bleh. It's completely the wrong tone for a climactic battle, hell it's practically elevator music!
1:12 he suddenly loses his Russian accent...
The way i see it he had been playing up his Russian connections as part of his protest. Once he realised he was facing a serious tactical situation he stopped playing around.
Christopher Franke's Music was so much better than Evan H Chen's. How much better would the battle have been with Franke's score?
@Ranillon absolutley what i meant.
why are not the moon fortified? Good flanking position. If i would
rule the Earth in the space age, I would have fortified the moon, had
missilebatteries everywhere, big homefleet, interceptorsquadrons on Mars and most of the moons, why? this is our home!
@MultiKronblom
prior to 2262 mankind had only one means of producing artificial gravity & It required that every vessel & spaceport had to be specially designed for rotational centrifugal force generation in order to produce pseudo-gravity, Which is why the moon was not suited for major human colonization as its natural gravity was too weak, they likely built a Stanford torus space station to orbit the moon.
@finalcut75 It's soulness, and stands apart from the movie. It doesn't add anything, only distracts.
did they ever make more shows on this storyline
I think they ended up fleshing out the story in the books. Technomage Trilogy and Centauri Trilogy I think.
They did some direct to video movies later on but they skip ahead past this crisis.
There is 13 episodes of the "Crusade" TV series but got cancelled half way through the 1st season... 22 episodes were planned
Did we ever cure earth
It would have been resolved in the second season according JMS.
Indeed
Thought the music in this battle was awful.
is this plotline ever continued anywhere?
in crusade the tv series and the books
all that CGI was done with Lightwave 3D on cheap PCs.
Bisalah eps ini bisa full eposide🙏👍
@Ranillon it just doesn't reflect the drama and action of Franke's music. it's, quite literally, shit.
it is unfortunate that the director saw fit to add soundeffects to scenes in space. sadly simillar to the addition of canned laughter to a well written and executed comedy that should otherwise not need it.
OK I know they maid a t.v show where this left off with a crew to find a cure dose anyone remember that show's name ??????
+Henry Worthey Crusade. It was awful, was rebooted after a few episodes and then cancelled before even half a season. There was one episode where Excalibur (the huge ship) was quite literally being f*cked by aliens.
Everything JMS made after B5 was trash. The B5 movies (except In the Beginning although it was only OK), the Legend of the Rangers (shudder) and Lost Tales (just baaaad).
I don't know if it was a budget thing or purely bad writing. I tend to think it was poor writing and the inability to recast any of the original actors.
+Kiyoshi Kirishima thanks for the info
culversketch In the Beginning, Thirdspace and River of Souls, were the first three movies that were fully written by JMS just as B5 was hitting it's stride but before TNT started messing with the format.
They were not good movies. Thirdspace actually stared many of the original cast and it was just awful.
JMS also created and wrote Legend of the Rangers after Crusade and the switch to SyFy. Not only was it beyond awful (it has a rating of 6.0 on IMDB which I think is being kind, ItB has a 7.7), it actually managed to undermine much of the lore established over 5 seasons of the original show.
Lost Tales, an obviously on budget 'proof of concept' was marred by more awful writing that wouldn't have been out of place in B5 season 1. Again, JMS had full creative control there.
I'm sorry to say that everything JMS produced in the B5 franchise since the 1998 has just been, well, bad. Crusade was the only project in which JMS did not have creative control and there has to be a point, after so many projects, producers and studios, that we have to wonder where the real talent of B5 really was.
Where talent was? Actors, I would say half of B5 magic would not worked without actor who gave all to their performances. Movies just had some newcomers or not all original cast was that good or dedicated. Maybe material was not interesting also. B5 was great because it was long story line with big paybacks latter. And actors could bounce from each others performances.
modisp The lead cast returned for In the Beginning and Thirdspace which were mediocre and and bad, respectively. Their presence didn't help at all.
Qestion. Where the fuck is the White Star fleet?
"Then what?" - the American puzzle.
God the music used here (and in Crusade) was just not up to the standard of B5 proper.
I was just getting into that
Where are the fucking episode's?!
Что то я не помню этой серии...
Wait wtf is this someone please give me links or something this a season 6? I'm not aware of?!!!
It's a movie. A call to Arms
... so sad that the music in this movie does not come even close to proper B5 sadly... Better ost that we came to expect of B5 would have lifted this movie up certainly 100x. Shure the Excalibur AND their actualy FAILING BATTLE where typical B5.. but without proper ost B5 does simply not work out..
the music ruins the battle
Someone needs to rescore this, geezus it's bad.
B5:Crusade
Its not very good though.
Last week I saw the movie even tho I loved seeing Sheridan and Michael again I thought the story sucked I couldn't bring myself to try watch the show the story sucks it doesn't work for me in the Babylon 5 story I prefer to forget this lol I prefer doing story about the telepath war.
Horrible quality and cut off TD
after star trek, evry scifi seems weird
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what they did with star trek was an abomination
my wife thanks you
but kidding aside, when star trek stole the B5 idea to create DS9. that was the beginning of the end. The final series (ENTERPRISE) was totally pulled from someone's ass and the last movie which rewrote the entire back story is insane. The actors were magnificent, the effects amazing, story really really sucked.
So many possible stories to tell (like Diane Carey's Final Frontier) and they pick another frikken time travel paradox story. FFS.
All these Fanboy comments make me wanna go watch sopranos
Ararrg to low res..... my eyes are disintegrating!!!!!
It was like it was recorded by a 90's video recorder off a tube tv.
Terrible music. Terrible acting. An insult to the original series.