Um 6-4 because they can get more people in Germany can have more tourists and more tourists equals more money like the airport one and the giga factory for Tesla mean more Tesla so they can be one of the first countries in Europe that will be fully electric or gas and fuel i don’t remember so ye
Just a small note: Stuttgart21 is not just the station itself. It includes all the surrounding infrastructure. The new highspeed line Wendlingen-Ulm, new S-Bahn station, new railway station at the airport, digitalization of the railroad infrastructure etc. All of that is Stuttgart21
Actually, the Highspeed line is technically not part of „Stuttgart 21“, as the S21 Infrastructure ends in Wendlingen. But they are combined in the so-called „Bahnproject Stuttgart-Ulm“
In Germany there is a river, the Emscher, which has been renaturalised at a cost of 5.5 billion euros so that no more waste water flows into it. It took 30 years to do so and is one of the largest environmental projects in Europe.
@@Schnittwin Ja, weil das was mit Abwasser zu tun hat. Das ist halt nicht so ansprechend wie die ganzen Megaprojekte in Diktatorischen staaten auf die sich die Medien gerne stürzen, dafür aber umso schwieriger umzusetzen. Die Emscher ist mittlerweile Abwasserfrei und in vielen Bereichen ein renaturierter Fluss. (In manchen bereichen kann man nicht renaturieren, weil es zu Bergsenkungen gekommen ist.
@@AL-lh2ht Nuclear power plants (if you mean fission) are not complex. Fusion is. The ASML/Zeiss machine which is at the heart of TSMC or Intel Magdeburg fabs is the most complex machine mankind has built to date (took 30 years to develop), with CERN and ITER second.
Germanys problem with mega-projects is not engineering (obviously not, since Germany is leading worldwides engineering technology in many aspects), not the infrastructure, not the economy, not the ideas... it's the bureaucracy. That extrem detailed and complex bureaucracy that helps in many other things, is that one big issue for mega-projects in Germany. Things get delayed, costs rise and politicans are using those projects for self-promotion. And nobody can do anyting about it because the bureaucracy, the manifested and detailed rules are like a chain that tied their hands behind their backs. When one permit needs to be changed (f.e. a building permit), there are so many interim steps needed to change the documents, that it can take years - since you don't need only one document or one dude saying "okay, we change that" - there are rules FOR EVERYTHING. While all this is extremely helpful for other aspects of life quality it doesn't help with mega-projects and also it's one of the reasons why many Germans find the German justice system often not very righteous. There are stories that will make you questioning the sense of this over detailed bureaucracy. For example there was a sex offender a few years ago, getting a months delayed prison sentence in one specific German state, because the enquiry to get certain documents from another German state about other very important cases in which he was involved, took months - and that dude was on the loose for that time. So yeah... it even gets to the point of bureaucracy becoming dangerous. And that is actually the biggest problem in Germany nowadays. Everything is settled on ultra specific and detailed rules and when one thing needs to be changed or just adjusted, it can cost a lot of time and money.
@@shadowlord0162while for some things, yes, we could do with less paper, for most of these megaprojects i'd say in it's pretty good that rich assholes can't just built whatever they want without people making sure they will adhere to building/environmental codes, etc.
In addition to bureaucracy, the tendering system in Germany and the EU is a particular "problem". Public construction contracts must be put out to tender and are then awarded to the lowest bidder who meets all the requirements. This means that applicants are almost forced to state unrealistic construction costs and construction times, which then increase dramatically over time. Of course, this also prevents a lot of corruption in the awarding of such contracts, but at the same time, realistic planning is usually no longer possible and costs explode.
The issue is not bureaucracy, it's corruption. Bureaucracy is just used to hide it. But honestly, not calling infrastructure in Germany a problem... it definitely is. :D
it's cool to see a positive video about german building projects. Those projects always come with a huge public outcry, politics´or bad planing. You almost forget the great things we're still able to build
@@111BAUER111 ich glaub, gemeckert wird überall auf der Welt, wenn man Kohle ausm Fenster wirft bzw. unten irgendein Korrupter steht, der das Geld auffängt. Was ich soll ich sagen als Berliner? Der Flughafen war/ist einfach ein krasser Fail.
I mean idk if there was an outcry about the undersea tunnel, the windpark, or the Frankfurt 4, it was mainly about BER, Stuttgart21 and the Tesla factory for more or less valid reasons. I like the fact that we can still criticize these projects instead of having to bend over for our corporate overlords. Nobody minds a strong economy and mega-projects the question always remains at what cost.
More often than not the public outcry isn't because nobody wants cool mega projects, it's because the plans seem wonky, financing intransparent and egotistical politicians unreasonably deeply involved.
It depends a bit on the sort of concert you are visiting. But I had the impression that they made some setup mistakes in the beginning and are now better doing it so the overall sound is amazing.
The idea behind the Elbphilharmonie was that Hamburg should have something similar to the spectacular Sydney Opera House. What the initiator of the Elbphilharmonie, the then mayor Ole von Beust, had not thought of: The opera in Sydney is legendary not only because of its architecture, but also because of the enormous cost overrun. Unfortunately, Hamburg followed Sydney's example. Edit: Spelling
I lived in Hamburg for a couple of years, the Elbphilharmonie is beautiful both from the inside and outside. Just mind that it's near a river so in late autumn/winter it's super cold and windy around the area where it's located. There's a nice museum of boats/ships nearby, as well as some good restaurants, and the museum of miniatures so it can be a great family trip. It's also quite close to a "metro" station.
was ist bitte so coooool an dieser unfassabaren steuergeldverschwendung... WIr haben keine vernünftigen straßen und geben das geld für so ein UNSINN auzs
I was working at the Elbphilharmonie when it was a construction site, installing and implementing the network components, network security and involved in the whole conception of those... A lot of people were laughing at this like a running gag, that it will never be finished and stuff. But it completely changed when it was finally done and open. The revenue and the interests per years exceeded any predictions and turned out, despite started really messy, to be a complete success.
Wendelstein 7-X might be worth a mention. It is an experimental stellatrator fusion plant test site. The idea is to test the main component of such a plant. During operation it is both the hotest and the coldest place in the solar system and both extremes are only a hand width apart.
@@IchWillNichtMehr853 Well, Wendelstein got all the funding they needed, they achieved their goal. The team is impressive. Maybe, it would be time to build fusion reactors which actually generate grid energy on a national scale, just like China does. Those intern'l collaborations make fusion projects excessively expensive. Actually, there may soon come a fusion war, because who solves fusion first may rule the world ...
@@IchWillNichtMehr853 Do you even know how research funding works in Germany, - or how the Max Planck Society, which operates the institute Wendelstein-X is located at, funds its projects - or are you just engaging in the national sport of b*tching and moaning about simply everything?
You forgot to tell that the BER had also a BIG issue that they planned it totally wrong (fire protection, technical issues) and a lot of it had to be redone, but the plans for that were a mess, and that also caused the airport to take a lot of years until the problems were solved, leading to have the public believe the airport would never open or would open even later.
For me the most interesting project is Terminal 3 at Frankfurt Airport (FRA). It will have almost the same capacity than Berlin-Brandenburg Airport (BER) for much less.
Admittedly, it's probably much cheaper to extend something already existing than to build something completely new (even though BER reused some parts of the Schönefeld airport, I believe).
Terminal 3 is a completely new complex, a kilometer away from any existing building. It could operate as an autonomous unit. With own parking buildings and own acces to the Autobahn network and to local roads. In addition it is connected to Terminal 1 and 2 by a new built people mover and tunnels with an automatic luggage forwarding and sorting system to exchange these items among all terminals. In fact Terminal 3 will be using the four existing runways of the Frankfurt airport. Therefore additional taxiways have been built. But Berlin-Brandenburg Airprt also uses the existing runway of Schönefeld and an additional parallel runway was built close by.
The *Berlin-Brandenburg Airport* is build for a capacity of 34 million people. The number of 20 million passengers mentioned in the video is the number of passengers who actually travelled in 2022. *Frankfurts Terminal 3* is planed for up to 25 million (after bulding peer K). It's hard to compare the two projects, because the circumstances were very different. The Terminal 3-Projekt in Frankfurt was professionally planed and executed (just disturbed by corona) by Frankfurt's Fraport AG who manages 28 airports in 4 continents. The Berlin-Brandenburg Airport was a incredibly bad managed project, mostly because the newly established company who was supposed to manage the airport was staffed by people without any knowledge of what they were doing. The airport is a project between two germany states and the federal government. And every party had to sneak in incompetent politicians who already were found to be useless in other positions. Thats why they had to change the CEO of a yet not existing business three times. They lost a lot of time and beside other heavy management mistakes thats the main reason which caused the costs to rise like this.
The main issue with Stuttgart 21 is that the station will be already outdated & overburdened when it opens. The German railways plan to introduce a nationwide integrated regular interval timetable in the coming years, where trains from different directions meet at the same time to provide easy transfers. Given that the new station will only have 8 platforms (compared to 17 in the current terminus) this now necessitates double occupancy of platforms (i.e. two trains behind each other on the same platform) - which will be very unstable in daily operation, as the slightest delay will immediately cause a ripple effect on multiple other trains. So there are already serious talks about keeping some tracks of the old terminus station open (or rebuild them underground) for regional traffic (which often terminates in Stuttgart anyways) and using the new station mainly for fast through trains. Also the tunnels leading into the station will very likely not be able to cope with the future traffic patterns, so there are now plans to build an additional tunnel even before the original project is finished. This is just poor planning, and reinforces the critics who said from the beginning that the new station was mainly a real estate project (because it frees up valuable building plots on the area of the old station), and doesn't really improve (but rather impair) rail travel.
To be entirely fair here, the planning would not have been as far behind the times if the project had not been delayed as much. Not saying it would have been great, but the back and forth only made matters worse. Starting from a short-sighted plan, it's now falling off a cliff that wasn't foreseen in planning before it ever concludes.
Also the fact that they're building these tunnels in a kind of stone that is notoriously difficult to tunnel through because it can swell up by extrem amounts when it gets in contact with water and they're located right next to a natural water reserve. The whole thing is one giant clusterfuck! 😂
@@MrHodoAstartes exactly, it was short sighted to begin with, based on the _current_ capacity requirements but not taking into account additional capacity needs in the (even near) future. Almost as if the enhancement of rail traffic wasn't really the goal...
Hamburg main station actually also has only 8 platforms for regional and distant rail services. Kassel main station had 13 platforms, Kassel-Wilhelmshöhe has only 8. The S-Bahn has an own platform in Stuttgart 21 which you have to add to the 8 platforms.
As a Dane, I’m a bit miffed you didn’t mention that Germany is ‘only’ investing €800 million of the estimated €7,4 billion cost of the fehmernbælt project. Germany is doing the connection and infrastructure from Fehmern to mainland Germany. Whereas Denmark is doing the 18km stretch from Lolland to Fehmern. It’s a loan that will be paid off through toll road. A part of the finance stems from the already completed Sundbælt connections, which in large parts have been paid by Danish and Swedish motorists, train passengers and import/export going through Scandinavia.
It does make sense in a way because the project is much more important to Denmark and Sweden than Germany. That said, calling it a "German" megaproject is a misnomer.
@@57thorns do you really think the creator cares about right and wrong.. the important thing is that the video is watched by many people and it's over 8 mins long, so it can be stuffed with more ads
jeg er tysker og syndes slev det er irriterende, nur er der nogen 50-70 årige som siger mimimimi vi elsker vores bro, alt skal blive som det er - de skal bare holde kæft og byg den tunnel, omg mæske døer der 5 fisk, lifes a b… and then you die - get over it. Vores regering ik i stand til at gøre nogelt rigtig, 81% af den tyskw befolking er utilfreds med deres arbejde….
In case of the Elbphilharmonie there have been rumors inside the Hamburg administration, that it was well known that the project would be way more expensive. The costs were highly understimated, because in 2007, during the financial crisis, nobody would have started a 900min project. So they basically tricked the public.
That how every public building project is done in germany. Every school, every kindergarten. Politicians lie about the price even when architects tell them a higher number so the thing gets approved. Then you gradually increase the price. Thats how the whole building industry in germany works
Denmark is responsible for planning and design, as well as financing, construction and operation of the future Fehmarnbelt connection. Denmark becomes sole owner of the fixed connection. The Fehmarn Belt connection is user-paid
Wow, I am impressed! I work/worked on two of the Frankfurt projects you presented. The research and background information you gathered and presented was really good. Would not have expected that! Cheers :)
@@_narcissist Yes, but you have to do quite a bit of research to get this information. Many of my co-workers don't even know everything that was mentioned in the short presentation of the projects here in the video.
As a finnish in Northen Europe's Scandinavian Finland, I really like Germany it's amazing country what helped us in a war between of Soviet Union and here we have Germany's Lidl markets in every city, nearest Lidl is only over 28km away from our home. By the way about that Hohe See and albatros mega project, it's so nice there's coming more and more new wind powers in Germany's seas and here in Finland too near of my home our neighbour village where is coming ten wind power machines, it's always like today an amazing view of high wind power machines in a forest. Wind Power is a cleaniest green energy what saves our world from climate change. That video was good. 🌍🏞🌃🏛🏭🌊🏗🌀⚡️🚘🇺🇲🇪🇺🇩🇪🇫🇮
@frischegedanken Underwater tunnels are amazing but truly expensive mega projects, over 76 - 800 millions euros is a lot of money. By the way I don't know much of Denmark but I know it's in Northen Europe's Scandinavia, it's a kingdom and there's a Lego's base and Lego Landia defienitily Lego Landia looks awesome theme park with legos. I would love to visit in Denmark I only been visited Scandimavian nice Sweden and beautiful Norway (where is underwater tunnels too). In Scandinavia, Iceland and Denmark are next on my wishlist but it's so expensive to travel in the another country with an airplane defienitily Denmark is expensive. 🌍🏞🌄🏛🌃🌉🇪🇺🇩🇰🇧🇻🇮🇸🇸🇪🇫🇮
03:00 A brief update on the Datteln 4 coal-fired power plant. Since Germany plans to phase out coal by 2030, the power plant has only had a short operating life since it opened in 2020. However, it is also possible that it will not be shut down until 2038.
Afaik even when legally possible, it is very unlikely that it will run until 2038, because rising prices for emission certificates will soonish make it economically unviable as long as _anything_ else (including natural gas) is available. Biggest joke IMO is that while building a new coal plant (which is an incredibly bad idea on many levels), we shut down some of the world's most productive and safest nuclear power plants. From raw numbers, Germany's power grid could be coal free _right now_. Instead, we're still burning up even extremely dirty brown coal, because politicians are afraid of a couple of thousand workers voting for the Nazi party if the mines and power plants where they are working are shut down. The most ridiculous part: The state could easily send every single one of them home while still paying their full salaries and it would _still_ be cheaper than to keep the coal. The amount of stupid in this planning is staggering.
@@NeovanGoth If we would only have had one good government since the 70ies they would have shut down the coal mines back then. The cost of mining coal in germany was - and still is - more expensive then importing the coal from china, what we do in large scale nowadays and which make things even worse, cause the coals has to travel around the world for no better reason. Our ex-chancellor and doctor of physics *Angela Merkel* was surprised by the fact, that nuclear plants can fail if unexpected things occur, like when Fokushima power plant was hit by a Tsunami in 2011. She decided to stop nuclear power in germany, which is responsible for stil ongoing heavy polution effecting the health of people living near by and causes global warming. At the same time it costed billions to pay the owners to shut them plants down, since they claimed they would need tranfer payments to cover their costs. Not to mention, that a former government by *Gerhard Schröder* already decided to stop nuclear power in germany in 2002, which was revoked by Merkel as one of her first political decisions after becoming chancellor in 2005. Six years later our doctor of physics made another 180 degree turn and decided again to stop nuclear plants in germany. Thats costed us a lot of money and nine years of development of green energy.
The Fehmarn-belt tunnel was such a big discussion the last 6-10 years because of the environment. Building a underwater tunnel many people didn't like to see the part of the ocean destroyed and began to protest Local residents put up blue crosses to protest or made stickers and attached them to their car and so on. They are living of tourists but had the fear that it would become to much, because in the summer it is nearly impossible to drive, walk and go shopping because it is so crowded. Fun fact, if you compare Fehmarn and the danish side you will see a big constructions side with tunnel fragments in Denmark and on the german side a big hole where the tunnel should be 😂
The Elbphilharmonie - a must for anybody who loves music or/and architecture! It was the sole reason I visited Hamburg last year, yes, there's more to discover overthere (I personally loved the architecture of the Chile house and the surrounding area with the canals, and the ruin of a church as a reminder of WWII) but this breathtaking building is what makes Hamburg stand out when compared to other (Hafen-) cities. So, in my humble opinion, money well spent :) And if you plan to visit Elbphilharmonie, go to a concert to appreciate the accustics... even the cheapest seats gets you there
As citizen of Hamburg I have the opinion that the money could have been spend so much better at schools, kindergardens or hospitals than this ugly building
@@0800liberteand guess what. The "ugly building" now provides for schools, roads etc. It's a tourist attraction and literally the only thing Hamburg is really known for.
The problem here in germany with state funded buildings, is that they always take the cheapest offers. Nobody really checks if the planing is correct and so most architects straight up lie about the price and process. Many things are left unchecked completly until the production started. Tripling of costs is nothing special, even for simple projects like schools. Stuttgart 21 is DECREASING the amount of trains, as its full functionality depends on trains being perfectly on time. And this never happens in germany. Also the terrain around the tunnels next to it contains high amounts of Anhydrit and is very likely to cause problems, if ANY water gets into the rock. The Tesla factory is also widely hated for its comperably lower wages to the german industry standard.
I live in Hamburg, a 5 minute walk to the Elbphilharmonie. It is impressive and the view is great. But if anyone knew what the cost would be when finished I can't imagine it would've been built. That's how you do public construction in Germany. You get something approved for a fraction of the cost, start building and the cost will increase over time. That tunnel will be much more expensive when it's done I suppose.
Some mistakes: The problem with *BER airport* wasn't so much underestimates of construction costs, rather than too much involvement of politics and delays causing changes causing delays. When BER was initially planned, Berlin was a totally different place - not nearly as popular as today, both for tourists and big companies. Berlin accommodated ~3 million tourists in 1996, ~14 million in 2019. Therefore an entire new floor for non-Schengen was added (during construction) with huge implications on wiring and especially fire protection. Also politics asked for A380-capable infrastructure, primarily for prestige. The *Fehmarn Belt tunnel* itself is financed and build by Denmark, Germany is only responsible for the connection within Germany. For example, transforming the old single-tracked and not electrified regional rail (Lübeck-Puttgarden; ~85 km) into a double-tracked, electrified high-speed-rail (up to 200 kph).
From an outside perspective we're famous for our "Engineering excellence", but from our point of view we're especially famous for horrible planning and wasting tax money.
4:55 this is blunt nonsense. Renewables do not cover 44% of Germanys overall energy production. It is about 44% of electricity production, which is only a fraction of overall energy production.
What wasn't said at BER Airport: costs rose because the fire protection measures were outdated. 9 years ago the fire protection measures were different than today. Therefore everything was completely renewed, which also cost a lot. The BER also had a leaky roof
The Femarn Belt is entirely built and funded by Denmark though. As Germany is only paying for the rail and road connection from the tunnel to the German network.
For another 3 billion euros, Germany is building another tunnel between Fehmarn and the German mainland as well as a completely new high-speed line for the train to Hamburg and of course a new motorway
@@nettcologne9186 yeah, but that’s not really the link itself. Denmark is also building all the new infrastructure on the Danish side including multiple bridges, tunnels, highways and railways. Online sources also states that “Denmark will be solely responsible for guaranteeing the funding of the project” and when it’s completed, Denmark will own 100% of the link. So please stop trying to make it sound like the link is a German project, when it clearly isn’t.
Honorable mentions would’ve been the re-development of the Feldstraßenbunker in Hamburg into an urban, multistory park on the roof of the bunker, the HafenCity in Hamburg, the "FAIR“ particle accelerator in central Germany or the new main train station in Munich.
@@RichelieuUnlimited But that's the Stammstrecke as a whole, not the train station building itself. The original comment was just talking about the train station.
Enjoy the sight on the Elbriver and eat some Fischbrötchen on the dock 10! :P The Binnenalster is also very popular and the buildings there give a fantastic view in the evening!
Elphilharmonie The $82 million had been the estimated cost for the public at the planning stage. Total costs estimated short of $200 million (186 million Euro). When the construction started, the estimated costs were already much higher. In first place the building got bigger than originally planned (e.g. adding a hotel). Their big mistake was to found a municipal company to manage the project. After several years they decided to give the project to a general constructor.
I really wonder who ever took those $82 million seriously. For that price you could perhaps build some bigger apartment building, but it should have been obvious that this is nowhere near the costs of such a landmark.
@@NeovanGoth As the OP said, the 82 million was the estimated cost for the public, not for the entire project. Meaning the costs, that would not be covered by investors, that would have to be covered by tax payer money.
Fun Fact, In Hamburg is Currently the "Elbtower" under Construction with a Total height of 244,80 Meters and will be Hamburgs Talest Building the Estimated Cost are 700 Million Euro but we know this will Probably be Doubled
Crucially, this lacks the 2. Stammstrecke München project. The new rapid transit line is currently expected to cost anywhere between 7 and 14 billion Euros. Plus the Fehmarn belt link is first and foremost a Danish project with Germany only financing the infrastructure leading up to the tunnel.
This is an interesting list, but there is something missing in this ranking: The second center train line in Munich: ("2. Stammstrecke") which is projected to cost between 8.5 and 14 billion euro
We Germans are the world champions in making miscalculations when it comes to big construction projects. You forgot to mention that in this country a lot of its infrastructure from bridges to railway lines is simply falling apart, because of lack of investment and maintenance. I live here for sixty years. There is not much left of the good old german perfection.
I hava to oppose. German Engineers (not Bachelor and Master Stuff) were and are the best in world. We have a lot of trouble with stupid people messing around in media, thats true.
Munich is planning a new light rail tunnel with a few new stations. The initial cost estimate was 3.9 billion Euros and the latest estimate is 14 billion Euros. That might not be the last estimate though.
Don't blame them, I started building my house with a proper estimation, it ended up to cost 4 times more and I had to take two loans for that. The construction business is like playing the lottery, in some years everything goes smooth, in some years everything is cheaper than you expected, but when things get expensive it blows your mind and budget for no reason.
i live next to Stuttgart, The construction project is necessary, the track infrastructure is outdated, but the construction site causes chaos in train operations, route closures and so on. When it's finally finished, it should work although there are 8 fewer tracks than before
@@Silizium_ Yes, either packed or totally empty. Depends on the direction. That’s the stupid system. Anyway 95% of passenger kilometers are handled by road. The system has long since decided.
Our engineering skills aside, building codes are one big battle. The regulations range from safety measures in the event of a fire to the gap size of a window. This is a major obstacle for architects and engineers. The safety of our buildings in Germany is unsurpassed, but it can take years from planning to construction and completion. The costs for this are usually massive! In many cases, planned buildings are not possible thanks to regulations. Even building living space becomes a hassle.
What‘s also cool about the Elbphilharmonie: the actual concert hall is hanging on multiple cables, its floor is not directly connected to the ones below it
I am german and it is embarrassing how prominent the planning issues are. they often occur because public institutions have to choose the lowest offering firm to build it. So later the calculation is not covering the actual costs
The Tesla factory is controversial. It is located in a very dry zone (sandy soil, thus not good at retaining water), Tesla is literally competing with basic needs for drinking water with the surrounding regions. And the factory is built in a nature conservation zone, with the whole thing being built and operated on a pile of provisional permits and also specific restrictions. One example is that due to the sandy soil, heavy restrictions on pollutants are in place. It has recently come out that a fossil fuel pump with storage tank (non fixed) was placed under a tent. Tesla or its construction contractors did not have a permit for this installation.
Wrong about the windpark. The renewable energy share is around 17% if you consider the overall energy production. The 44 you mention refers to electricity (and has recently scratched the 50% mark obviously depending on wind) people get that wrong all the time somehow. Germany is driven by oil and gas mainly. Nice video overall!
Which of these projects is the most impressive?👇😎
Um 6-4 because they can get more people in Germany can have more tourists and more tourists equals more money like the airport one and the giga factory for Tesla mean more Tesla so they can be one of the first countries in Europe that will be fully electric or gas and fuel i don’t remember so ye
Those gigafactories are just too much.
I love the fehrman belt project because I live in Malmö ;-)
The best project is Femarn, but that isn't even a German project, but a Danish project.
I will give you a downvote since Fehmern is being constructed and funded by Denmark. Do your research.
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Just a small note: Stuttgart21 is not just the station itself. It includes all the surrounding infrastructure. The new highspeed line Wendlingen-Ulm, new S-Bahn station, new railway station at the airport, digitalization of the railroad infrastructure etc. All of that is Stuttgart21
Actually, the Highspeed line is technically not part of „Stuttgart 21“, as the S21 Infrastructure ends in Wendlingen. But they are combined in the so-called „Bahnproject Stuttgart-Ulm“
And a Dumb, of US - Military.
Also a complete new urban quarter
and all of that is poorly planned and super stupid
It will „drastically cut travel times“ is drastically exaggerated
Without a doubt, the most impressive feat was the Berlin's AIrport... the fact that it got finished in the first place
Haha yeah true.
Yeah, and it is so ugly and badly organized. I am ashamed to admit it, but incompetence and corruption is really a problem in Berlin
@@Thomas-py6dw its not so much corruption, but the beaurocracy of germyn is just in general a big problem.
We don't talk about that 👀😂
yes
In Germany there is a river, the Emscher, which has been renaturalised at a cost of 5.5 billion euros so that no more waste water flows into it. It took 30 years to do so and is one of the largest environmental projects in Europe.
Nie davon gehört 🤔
@@Schnittwin Ja, weil das was mit Abwasser zu tun hat. Das ist halt nicht so ansprechend wie die ganzen Megaprojekte in Diktatorischen staaten auf die sich die Medien gerne stürzen, dafür aber umso schwieriger umzusetzen. Die Emscher ist mittlerweile Abwasserfrei und in vielen Bereichen ein renaturierter Fluss. (In manchen bereichen kann man nicht renaturieren, weil es zu Bergsenkungen gekommen ist.
@@Schnittwinauch 😅
@@Schnittwin
Ist ein Ruhrgebietding, kennt da eigentlich jeder. War früher auch als "Köttelbecke" bekannt weil es halt ein offenes Abwasser war.
Für alle die es Interessiert, hier ist eine der besten Dokus zum umbau der Emscher: ruclips.net/video/mgKw4vYbHV0/видео.html
unbelievable that a semiconductor factory cost way more than building an 18km tunnel in the sea
Semiconductors are at the level of complexity it’s more comparable to nuclear power plants.
The tranistors on modern chips are something like a 100 silicon atoms wide. It is by far the most complex industrial process in the world.
@@AL-lh2ht Nuclear power plants (if you mean fission) are not complex. Fusion is. The ASML/Zeiss machine which is at the heart of TSMC or Intel Magdeburg fabs is the most complex machine mankind has built to date (took 30 years to develop), with CERN and ITER second.
Are you also in disbelief that 1 kg of iron is cheaper than 1 gm of gold?
@@AL-lh2htnuclear reactors are like actually really simple. The complex part is finding out the physics.
Germanys problem with mega-projects is not engineering (obviously not, since Germany is leading worldwides engineering technology in many aspects), not the infrastructure, not the economy, not the ideas... it's the bureaucracy. That extrem detailed and complex bureaucracy that helps in many other things, is that one big issue for mega-projects in Germany. Things get delayed, costs rise and politicans are using those projects for self-promotion. And nobody can do anyting about it because the bureaucracy, the manifested and detailed rules are like a chain that tied their hands behind their backs. When one permit needs to be changed (f.e. a building permit), there are so many interim steps needed to change the documents, that it can take years - since you don't need only one document or one dude saying "okay, we change that" - there are rules FOR EVERYTHING. While all this is extremely helpful for other aspects of life quality it doesn't help with mega-projects and also it's one of the reasons why many Germans find the German justice system often not very righteous. There are stories that will make you questioning the sense of this over detailed bureaucracy. For example there was a sex offender a few years ago, getting a months delayed prison sentence in one specific German state, because the enquiry to get certain documents from another German state about other very important cases in which he was involved, took months - and that dude was on the loose for that time. So yeah... it even gets to the point of bureaucracy becoming dangerous. And that is actually the biggest problem in Germany nowadays. Everything is settled on ultra specific and detailed rules and when one thing needs to be changed or just adjusted, it can cost a lot of time and money.
quite litterally everything is overengineered, even the bureaucracy. doesnt necessarily mean its good tho
@@shadowlord0162while for some things, yes, we could do with less paper, for most of these megaprojects i'd say in it's pretty good that rich assholes can't just built whatever they want without people making sure they will adhere to building/environmental codes, etc.
good point, regulations exist for a reason@@IzzyIkigai
In addition to bureaucracy, the tendering system in Germany and the EU is a particular "problem". Public construction contracts must be put out to tender and are then awarded to the lowest bidder who meets all the requirements. This means that applicants are almost forced to state unrealistic construction costs and construction times, which then increase dramatically over time. Of course, this also prevents a lot of corruption in the awarding of such contracts, but at the same time, realistic planning is usually no longer possible and costs explode.
The issue is not bureaucracy, it's corruption. Bureaucracy is just used to hide it.
But honestly, not calling infrastructure in Germany a problem... it definitely is. :D
it's cool to see a positive video about german building projects. Those projects always come with a huge public outcry, politics´or bad planing. You almost forget the great things we're still able to build
Wir Deutsche meckern halt gern :D
@@111BAUER111 ich glaub, gemeckert wird überall auf der Welt, wenn man Kohle ausm Fenster wirft bzw. unten irgendein Korrupter steht, der das Geld auffängt.
Was ich soll ich sagen als Berliner? Der Flughafen war/ist einfach ein krasser Fail.
And then it ends with the most important project not being build thanks to energy costs in Germany.
I mean idk if there was an outcry about the undersea tunnel, the windpark, or the Frankfurt 4, it was mainly about BER, Stuttgart21 and the Tesla factory for more or less valid reasons. I like the fact that we can still criticize these projects instead of having to bend over for our corporate overlords. Nobody minds a strong economy and mega-projects the question always remains at what cost.
More often than not the public outcry isn't because nobody wants cool mega projects, it's because the plans seem wonky, financing intransparent and egotistical politicians unreasonably deeply involved.
Everything that I've heard about the Elbphilharmonie is that the acoustics are absolutely phenomenal
It depends a bit on the sort of concert you are visiting. But I had the impression that they made some setup mistakes in the beginning and are now better doing it so the overall sound is amazing.
@@rocktheroadtowembleythe problem is the acoustics are too perfect.
The idea behind the Elbphilharmonie was that Hamburg should have something similar to the spectacular Sydney Opera House. What the initiator of the Elbphilharmonie, the then mayor Ole von Beust, had not thought of: The opera in Sydney is legendary not only because of its architecture, but also because of the enormous cost overrun. Unfortunately, Hamburg followed Sydney's example.
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the opera in Sydney looks great, other than the one in Hamburg
@@voydkid Besides the Elbphilharmonie the Sydney Opera looks like a child designed it
@@voydkidthat’s subjective. A lot of people, me included, think the Elbphilharmonie looks stunning!
@@aileen9266 it's just a big brick with glass on top, but ok
I lived in Hamburg for a couple of years, the Elbphilharmonie is beautiful both from the inside and outside. Just mind that it's near a river so in late autumn/winter it's super cold and windy around the area where it's located. There's a nice museum of boats/ships nearby, as well as some good restaurants, and the museum of miniatures so it can be a great family trip. It's also quite close to a "metro" station.
@@murti1565 ... as mentioned above 😂
Just once it cost almost 1 billion euros instead of the estimated 80 million, a scandal
Miniature wonderland was the best! 😍
Ugliest building in Germany.
was ist bitte so coooool an dieser unfassabaren steuergeldverschwendung... WIr haben keine vernünftigen straßen und geben das geld für so ein UNSINN auzs
I am from Germany and some projects i did not even know about and I had no idea about the costs. Very well researched video. Thanks a lot.
I was working at the Elbphilharmonie when it was a construction site, installing and implementing the network components, network security and involved in the whole conception of those... A lot of people were laughing at this like a running gag, that it will never be finished and stuff. But it completely changed when it was finally done and open. The revenue and the interests per years exceeded any predictions and turned out, despite started really messy, to be a complete success.
Wendelstein 7-X might be worth a mention. It is an experimental stellatrator fusion plant test site. The idea is to test the main component of such a plant. During operation it is both the hotest and the coldest place in the solar system and both extremes are only a hand width apart.
Wendelstein 7-X is one of the most impressive machines which exist today. But it only cost 0.37 billion € to build.
@@falklumo Its criminal that the project doesnt get more funding. Fusion energy would be the holy grail of cheap, efficient and green energy.
@@IchWillNichtMehr853 Well, Wendelstein got all the funding they needed, they achieved their goal. The team is impressive. Maybe, it would be time to build fusion reactors which actually generate grid energy on a national scale, just like China does. Those intern'l collaborations make fusion projects excessively expensive. Actually, there may soon come a fusion war, because who solves fusion first may rule the world ...
@@IchWillNichtMehr853 It will still take a long time (if we even get to this point) until we can use it to gain energy
@@IchWillNichtMehr853 Do you even know how research funding works in Germany, - or how the Max Planck Society, which operates the institute Wendelstein-X is located at, funds its projects - or are you just engaging in the national sport of b*tching and moaning about simply everything?
You forgot to tell that the BER had also a BIG issue that they planned it totally wrong (fire protection, technical issues) and a lot of it had to be redone, but the plans for that were a mess, and that also caused the airport to take a lot of years until the problems were solved, leading to have the public believe the airport would never open or would open even later.
For me the most interesting project is Terminal 3 at Frankfurt Airport (FRA). It will have almost the same capacity than Berlin-Brandenburg Airport (BER) for much less.
Admittedly, it's probably much cheaper to extend something already existing than to build something completely new (even though BER reused some parts of the Schönefeld airport, I believe).
Terminal 3 is a completely new complex, a kilometer away from any existing building. It could operate as an autonomous unit. With own parking buildings and own acces to the Autobahn network and to local roads.
In addition it is connected to Terminal 1 and 2 by a new built people mover and tunnels with an automatic luggage forwarding and sorting system to exchange these items among all terminals.
In fact Terminal 3 will be using the four existing runways of the Frankfurt airport. Therefore additional taxiways have been built.
But Berlin-Brandenburg Airprt also uses the existing runway of Schönefeld and an additional parallel runway was built close by.
The *Berlin-Brandenburg Airport* is build for a capacity of 34 million people. The number of 20 million passengers mentioned in the video is the number of passengers who actually travelled in 2022. *Frankfurts Terminal 3* is planed for up to 25 million (after bulding peer K).
It's hard to compare the two projects, because the circumstances were very different. The Terminal 3-Projekt in Frankfurt was professionally planed and executed (just disturbed by corona) by Frankfurt's Fraport AG who manages 28 airports in 4 continents. The Berlin-Brandenburg Airport was a incredibly bad managed project, mostly because the newly established company who was supposed to manage the airport was staffed by people without any knowledge of what they were doing. The airport is a project between two germany states and the federal government. And every party had to sneak in incompetent politicians who already were found to be useless in other positions. Thats why they had to change the CEO of a yet not existing business three times. They lost a lot of time and beside other heavy management mistakes thats the main reason which caused the costs to rise like this.
@@mariokrings great summary
BER was only so expensive because of massive planning flaws and chosing corrupt companies to build it.@@NeovanGoth
The main issue with Stuttgart 21 is that the station will be already outdated & overburdened when it opens.
The German railways plan to introduce a nationwide integrated regular interval timetable in the coming years, where trains from different directions meet at the same time to provide easy transfers. Given that the new station will only have 8 platforms (compared to 17 in the current terminus) this now necessitates double occupancy of platforms (i.e. two trains behind each other on the same platform) - which will be very unstable in daily operation, as the slightest delay will immediately cause a ripple effect on multiple other trains. So there are already serious talks about keeping some tracks of the old terminus station open (or rebuild them underground) for regional traffic (which often terminates in Stuttgart anyways) and using the new station mainly for fast through trains.
Also the tunnels leading into the station will very likely not be able to cope with the future traffic patterns, so there are now plans to build an additional tunnel even before the original project is finished.
This is just poor planning, and reinforces the critics who said from the beginning that the new station was mainly a real estate project (because it frees up valuable building plots on the area of the old station), and doesn't really improve (but rather impair) rail travel.
To be entirely fair here, the planning would not have been as far behind the times if the project had not been delayed as much.
Not saying it would have been great, but the back and forth only made matters worse.
Starting from a short-sighted plan, it's now falling off a cliff that wasn't foreseen in planning before it ever concludes.
Also the fact that they're building these tunnels in a kind of stone that is notoriously difficult to tunnel through because it can swell up by extrem amounts when it gets in contact with water and they're located right next to a natural water reserve.
The whole thing is one giant clusterfuck! 😂
@@MrHodoAstartes exactly, it was short sighted to begin with, based on the _current_ capacity requirements but not taking into account additional capacity needs in the (even near) future. Almost as if the enhancement of rail traffic wasn't really the goal...
Since trains are never late in Germany, we won't have to worry about this.
Hamburg main station actually also has only 8 platforms for regional and distant rail services. Kassel main station had 13 platforms, Kassel-Wilhelmshöhe has only 8. The S-Bahn has an own platform in Stuttgart 21 which you have to add to the 8 platforms.
As a Dane, I’m a bit miffed you didn’t mention that Germany is ‘only’ investing €800 million of the estimated €7,4 billion cost of the fehmernbælt project.
Germany is doing the connection and infrastructure from Fehmern to mainland Germany. Whereas Denmark is doing the 18km stretch from Lolland to Fehmern. It’s a loan that will be paid off through toll road. A part of the finance stems from the already completed Sundbælt connections, which in large parts have been paid by Danish and Swedish motorists, train passengers and import/export going through Scandinavia.
Yeah, that project really shouldn't be here.
It does make sense in a way because the project is much more important to Denmark and Sweden than Germany. That said, calling it a "German" megaproject is a misnomer.
@@57thorns do you really think the creator cares about right and wrong.. the important thing is that the video is watched by many people and it's over 8 mins long, so it can be stuffed with more ads
i heard that denmark wants germany to pay more, so we will see@@57thorns
jeg er tysker og syndes slev det er irriterende, nur er der nogen 50-70 årige som siger mimimimi vi elsker vores bro, alt skal blive som det er - de skal bare holde kæft og byg den tunnel, omg mæske døer der 5 fisk, lifes a b… and then you die - get over it. Vores regering ik i stand til at gøre nogelt rigtig, 81% af den tyskw befolking er utilfreds med deres arbejde….
Great video! The Berlin to Munich High Speed Rail project (VDE8) would have been a good one for this list as well.
Great to see some impressive projects in my country 🙏🏼
lol. wir wissen doch, dass nichts davon klappt, alles nur noch versickert.
Germany can be a global superpower with these infra projects.
In case of the Elbphilharmonie there have been rumors inside the Hamburg administration, that it was well known that the project would be way more expensive. The costs were highly understimated, because in 2007, during the financial crisis, nobody would have started a 900min project. So they basically tricked the public.
That how every public building project is done in germany. Every school, every kindergarten. Politicians lie about the price even when architects tell them a higher number so the thing gets approved. Then you gradually increase the price. Thats how the whole building industry in germany works
Denmark is responsible for planning and design, as well as financing, construction and operation of the future Fehmarnbelt connection. Denmark becomes sole owner of the fixed connection. The Fehmarn Belt connection is user-paid
I always appriciate the architect of the Mega Skyscrapper
Seeing the Elbphilharmony in person is absolutely stunning
Wow, I am impressed! I work/worked on two of the Frankfurt projects you presented. The research and background information you gathered and presented was really good. Would not have expected that! Cheers :)
Why not? It’s all publicly available 😅
@@_narcissist Yes, but you have to do quite a bit of research to get this information. Many of my co-workers don't even know everything that was mentioned in the short presentation of the projects here in the video.
@@dedo5124 this video was made with Ai. 0 research went into it
stop lying brother, u just cleaned the toilets
As a finnish in Northen Europe's Scandinavian Finland, I really like Germany it's amazing country what helped us in a war between of Soviet Union and here we have Germany's Lidl markets in every city, nearest Lidl is only over 28km away from our home. By the way about that Hohe See and albatros mega project, it's so nice there's coming more and more new wind powers in Germany's seas and here in Finland too near of my home our neighbour village where is coming ten wind power machines, it's always like today an amazing view of high wind power machines in a forest. Wind Power is a cleaniest green energy what saves our world from climate change. That video was good. 🌍🏞🌃🏛🏭🌊🏗🌀⚡️🚘🇺🇲🇪🇺🇩🇪🇫🇮
Technically the cleanest green energy is thermal energy.
@frischegedanken Underwater tunnels are amazing but truly expensive mega projects, over 76 - 800 millions euros is a lot of money. By the way I don't know much of Denmark but I know it's in Northen Europe's Scandinavia, it's a kingdom and there's a Lego's base and Lego Landia defienitily Lego Landia looks awesome theme park with legos. I would love to visit in Denmark I only been visited Scandimavian nice Sweden and beautiful Norway (where is underwater tunnels too). In Scandinavia, Iceland and Denmark are next on my wishlist but it's so expensive to travel in the another country with an airplane defienitily Denmark is expensive. 🌍🏞🌄🏛🌃🌉🇪🇺🇩🇰🇧🇻🇮🇸🇸🇪🇫🇮
Glad to see you in NATO brothers!❤
03:00 A brief update on the Datteln 4 coal-fired power plant. Since Germany plans to phase out coal by 2030, the power plant has only had a short operating life since it opened in 2020. However, it is also possible that it will not be shut down until 2038.
Afaik even when legally possible, it is very unlikely that it will run until 2038, because rising prices for emission certificates will soonish make it economically unviable as long as _anything_ else (including natural gas) is available.
Biggest joke IMO is that while building a new coal plant (which is an incredibly bad idea on many levels), we shut down some of the world's most productive and safest nuclear power plants. From raw numbers, Germany's power grid could be coal free _right now_. Instead, we're still burning up even extremely dirty brown coal, because politicians are afraid of a couple of thousand workers voting for the Nazi party if the mines and power plants where they are working are shut down. The most ridiculous part: The state could easily send every single one of them home while still paying their full salaries and it would _still_ be cheaper than to keep the coal. The amount of stupid in this planning is staggering.
@@NeovanGoth If we would only have had one good government since the 70ies they would have shut down the coal mines back then. The cost of mining coal in germany was - and still is - more expensive then importing the coal from china, what we do in large scale nowadays and which make things even worse, cause the coals has to travel around the world for no better reason.
Our ex-chancellor and doctor of physics *Angela Merkel* was surprised by the fact, that nuclear plants can fail if unexpected things occur, like when Fokushima power plant was hit by a Tsunami in 2011. She decided to stop nuclear power in germany, which is responsible for stil ongoing heavy polution effecting the health of people living near by and causes global warming. At the same time it costed billions to pay the owners to shut them plants down, since they claimed they would need tranfer payments to cover their costs.
Not to mention, that a former government by *Gerhard Schröder* already decided to stop nuclear power in germany in 2002, which was revoked by Merkel as one of her first political decisions after becoming chancellor in 2005. Six years later our doctor of physics made another 180 degree turn and decided again to stop nuclear plants in germany. Thats costed us a lot of money and nine years of development of green energy.
@@NeovanGoth its not stupid, its all planned brother, they want us poor, not with abundance of resources
This will not happen.
The Fehmarn-belt tunnel was such a big discussion the last 6-10 years because of the environment. Building a underwater tunnel many people didn't like to see the part of the ocean destroyed and began to protest
Local residents put up blue crosses to protest or made stickers and attached them to their car and so on. They are living of tourists but had the fear that it would become to much, because in the summer it is nearly impossible to drive, walk and go shopping because it is so crowded.
Fun fact, if you compare Fehmarn and the danish side you will see a big constructions side with tunnel fragments in Denmark and on the german side a big hole where the tunnel should be 😂
thank u very valuable video, and interesting ❤
The Elbphilharmonie - a must for anybody who loves music or/and architecture! It was the sole reason I visited Hamburg last year, yes, there's more to discover overthere (I personally loved the architecture of the Chile house and the surrounding area with the canals, and the ruin of a church as a reminder of WWII) but this breathtaking building is what makes Hamburg stand out when compared to other (Hafen-) cities. So, in my humble opinion, money well spent :) And if you plan to visit Elbphilharmonie, go to a concert to appreciate the accustics... even the cheapest seats gets you there
As citizen of Hamburg I have the opinion that the money could have been spend so much better at schools, kindergardens or hospitals than this ugly building
fun fact: That ruined church is still the 5th tallest church in the world, at least until the Sagrada Família surpasses it.
@@0800liberteand guess what. The "ugly building" now provides for schools, roads etc. It's a tourist attraction and literally the only thing Hamburg is really known for.
@@DarkZoomy Ever heard of the Reeperbahn with something around 30 million visitors annually..?
@@DarkZoomyThe building is a mess. It actively made me hate Hamburg. Shame it's located right next to the beautiful Speicherstadt.
Lets gooo new video!!!!
Thank you for the amazing Video on my country.
The problem here in germany with state funded buildings, is that they always take the cheapest offers. Nobody really checks if the planing is correct and so most architects straight up lie about the price and process. Many things are left unchecked completly until the production started. Tripling of costs is nothing special, even for simple projects like schools. Stuttgart 21 is DECREASING the amount of trains, as its full functionality depends on trains being perfectly on time. And this never happens in germany. Also the terrain around the tunnels next to it contains high amounts of Anhydrit and is very likely to cause problems, if ANY water gets into the rock. The Tesla factory is also widely hated for its comperably lower wages to the german industry standard.
i saw germany and instantly clicked
I live in Hamburg, a 5 minute walk to the Elbphilharmonie. It is impressive and the view is great. But if anyone knew what the cost would be when finished I can't imagine it would've been built.
That's how you do public construction in Germany. You get something approved for a fraction of the cost, start building and the cost will increase over time. That tunnel will be much more expensive when it's done I suppose.
Very well researched and presented! Nice projects! ❤
Some mistakes: The problem with *BER airport* wasn't so much underestimates of construction costs, rather than too much involvement of politics and delays causing changes causing delays. When BER was initially planned, Berlin was a totally different place - not nearly as popular as today, both for tourists and big companies. Berlin accommodated ~3 million tourists in 1996, ~14 million in 2019. Therefore an entire new floor for non-Schengen was added (during construction) with huge implications on wiring and especially fire protection. Also politics asked for A380-capable infrastructure, primarily for prestige.
The *Fehmarn Belt tunnel* itself is financed and build by Denmark, Germany is only responsible for the connection within Germany. For example, transforming the old single-tracked and not electrified regional rail (Lübeck-Puttgarden; ~85 km) into a double-tracked, electrified high-speed-rail (up to 200 kph).
From an outside perspective we're famous for our "Engineering excellence", but from our point of view we're especially famous for horrible planning and wasting tax money.
4:55 this is blunt nonsense.
Renewables do not cover 44% of Germanys overall energy production. It is about 44% of electricity production, which is only a fraction of overall energy production.
Germany is known for world wa- class technology
Thank you so much for this video
Greetings from Germany 🇩🇪
As a german I’m proud of what projects we have done
Me, a german who knew all these projects: INTERESTING
Same
What wasn't said at BER Airport: costs rose because the fire protection measures were outdated. 9 years ago the fire protection measures were different than today. Therefore everything was completely renewed, which also cost a lot. The BER also had a leaky roof
Nice to see the Albatros and Hohe See project included in the video. Greeting from EnBW :)
The Femarn Belt is entirely built and funded by Denmark though. As Germany is only paying for the rail and road connection from the tunnel to the German network.
But it’s still a mega project (at least partly) located in Germany
@@Erwin1293- true, but they aren’t paying for it. Should probably be in a separate video called “mega projects in Denmark”.
@@Erwin1293-Germany does not fund it, does not work on it and will not own it
For another 3 billion euros, Germany is building another tunnel between Fehmarn and the German mainland as well as a completely new high-speed line for the train to Hamburg and of course a new motorway
@@nettcologne9186 yeah, but that’s not really the link itself. Denmark is also building all the new infrastructure on the Danish side including multiple bridges, tunnels, highways and railways. Online sources also states that “Denmark will be solely responsible for guaranteeing the funding of the project” and when it’s completed, Denmark will own 100% of the link. So please stop trying to make it sound like the link is a German project, when it clearly isn’t.
Nice!
Honorable mentions would’ve been the re-development of the Feldstraßenbunker in Hamburg into an urban, multistory park on the roof of the bunker, the HafenCity in Hamburg, the "FAIR“ particle accelerator in central Germany or the new main train station in Munich.
Munich's new Hauptbahnhof is not all that expensive compared to these projects, though
Current estimates place the total costs of the Munich Trunk Line 2 at 7 billion EUR (7 400 000 000 USD)
@@RichelieuUnlimited But that's the Stammstrecke as a whole, not the train station building itself. The original comment was just talking about the train station.
@@leDespicable As the station is part of that project I assumed the whole project was meant. However the project should qualify based on cost.
That is no mega project by any means lol
im going to the one in hamburg tmr
i love the channel
Enjoy the sight on the Elbriver and eat some Fischbrötchen on the dock 10! :P
The Binnenalster is also very popular and the buildings there give a fantastic view in the evening!
Elphilharmonie
The $82 million had been the estimated cost for the public at the planning stage. Total costs estimated short of $200 million (186 million Euro).
When the construction started, the estimated costs were already much higher. In first place the building got bigger than originally planned (e.g. adding a hotel).
Their big mistake was to found a municipal company to manage the project. After several years they decided to give the project to a general constructor.
I really wonder who ever took those $82 million seriously. For that price you could perhaps build some bigger apartment building, but it should have been obvious that this is nowhere near the costs of such a landmark.
@@NeovanGoth As the OP said, the 82 million was the estimated cost for the public, not for the entire project. Meaning the costs, that would not be covered by investors, that would have to be covered by tax payer money.
love you man, cheers from stgo, chile
In my fictional world, all this project already finished and successful
Fun Fact, In Hamburg is Currently the "Elbtower" under Construction with a Total height of 244,80 Meters and will be Hamburgs Talest Building the Estimated Cost are 700 Million Euro but we know this will Probably be Doubled
Elbphilharmonie was planned with 77 million and ended up costing 866 mio., 11 times more than planned. So multiply 700 with 11
@@n1honot really, this time its a private Investor not the City by itself. He will keep the Costs low :D
only doubled, if we're lucky 🤣
The trainstation in HH is going to be renovated and rebuild, this will become the new „Stuttgart 21“ 😂😂😂 😫 it going to chaos for a long long time
Your news didn't age well - construction of the Elbtower stopped 2 days ago because if financing issues of the building company Signa.
Crucially, this lacks the 2. Stammstrecke München project. The new rapid transit line is currently expected to cost anywhere between 7 and 14 billion Euros. Plus the Fehmarn belt link is first and foremost a Danish project with Germany only financing the infrastructure leading up to the tunnel.
This is an interesting list, but there is something missing in this ranking:
The second center train line in Munich: ("2. Stammstrecke") which is projected to cost between 8.5 and 14 billion euro
You getting thousands of subscribers everyday!!
What a well done vid! Come on 1M subs!
We Germans are the world champions in making miscalculations when it comes to big construction projects. You forgot to mention that in this country a lot of its infrastructure from bridges to railway lines is simply falling apart, because of lack of investment and maintenance. I live here for sixty years. There is not much left of the good old german perfection.
I hava to oppose. German Engineers (not Bachelor and Master Stuff) were and are the best in world. We have a lot of trouble with stupid people messing around in media, thats true.
As a German, I’m very proud of my country
Same. Not very often, but sometimes. Wir können, wenn wir nur wollen. :)
Hat ja alles am Ende nur das 10fache gekostet was es sollte. @@NeovanGoth
@@cansen1441und trotzdem sind es beeindruckende Projekte. In fast jedem Land kosten Megaprojekte am Ende deutlich mehr.
Also sagst du dass sich BER gelohnt hat? xD @@DarkZoomy
The special thing abozt the elbphilharmony is that every piece of glass on the outside walls is unique
Munich is planning a new light rail tunnel with a few new stations. The initial cost estimate was 3.9 billion Euros and the latest estimate is 14 billion Euros. That might not be the last estimate though.
Amazing video
Landungsbrücken has an awesome view of the Elbphilharmonie! used to take the train everyday to Eppendorfer Baum for work
Don't blame them, I started building my house with a proper estimation, it ended up to cost 4 times more and I had to take two loans for that. The construction business is like playing the lottery, in some years everything goes smooth, in some years everything is cheaper than you expected, but when things get expensive it blows your mind and budget for no reason.
i live next to Stuttgart, The construction project is necessary, the track infrastructure is outdated, but the construction site causes chaos in train operations, route closures and so on. When it's finally finished, it should work although there are 8 fewer tracks than before
Trains are so 19th century 😢
@@Claude_van no they are the future, It couldn't be more energy efficient or better for the environment
@@Silizium_ It’s an insufficient system like a bucket chain where most trains drive empty and use up energy. Stupidest invention ever.
@@Claude_van I don't know where you live, but the trains in germany are packed
@@Silizium_ Yes, either packed or totally empty. Depends on the direction. That’s the stupid system. Anyway 95% of passenger kilometers are handled by road. The system has long since decided.
Our engineering skills aside, building codes are one big battle. The regulations range from safety measures in the event of a fire to the gap size of a window. This is a major obstacle for architects and engineers. The safety of our buildings in Germany is unsurpassed, but it can take years from planning to construction and completion. The costs for this are usually massive! In many cases, planned buildings are not possible thanks to regulations. Even building living space becomes a hassle.
Simply because it's a wanted problem. Just too much corruption.
What‘s also cool about the Elbphilharmonie: the actual concert hall is hanging on multiple cables, its floor is not directly connected to the ones below it
No its not. It is standing on springs. Same concept but reversed
I am german and it is embarrassing how prominent the planning issues are. they often occur because public institutions have to choose the lowest offering firm to build it. So later the calculation is not covering the actual costs
They are not prominent. That's why there are such videos about it
Do also please include the "Elbtower" mega project in Hamburg which construction has now started.
I live in hamburg and I already was in the elbphilharmonie since my uncle gave a concert
Such a great video that is not too long either
thanks a lot
The Tesla factory is controversial. It is located in a very dry zone (sandy soil, thus not good at retaining water), Tesla is literally competing with basic needs for drinking water with the surrounding regions.
And the factory is built in a nature conservation zone, with the whole thing being built and operated on a pile of provisional permits and also specific restrictions. One example is that due to the sandy soil, heavy restrictions on pollutants are in place. It has recently come out that a fossil fuel pump with storage tank (non fixed) was placed under a tent. Tesla or its construction contractors did not have a permit for this installation.
What is the name of the music in the backgound beginning at 3:19?
Hamburg mentioned 🗣🗣🥶🥶🥶
Interesting video
Wrong about the windpark. The renewable energy share is around 17% if you consider the overall energy production. The 44 you mention refers to electricity (and has recently scratched the 50% mark obviously depending on wind) people get that wrong all the time somehow. Germany is driven by oil and gas mainly.
Nice video overall!
Please do Belgium next time
As a german, seeing an airport is a hilarious starter for this topic
Amazing, hopefully one day,I be there🤗
The Tesla factory in Germany is struggling with teaching German engineers how to build horrible quality cars.
Dont forget the Elbtower. A new skyscraper in Hamburg.
In Germany we say: Da gehen also unsere Steuergelder hin...
amazing video
It looks very cool (Germany's Insane $75BN Megaprojects) but I want to see Turkey Megaprojects
I wonder
Love the videos, man. Keep it up!!!
nice! i hope all of these projects will be compleate.
The thumbnail made me think that this video was going to dive more into the German one. It wasn’t what I expected.
1:43 That´s exactly where i was sitting… you scaring me
Europe's powerhouse
3:40 does anyone know the song name?
An honorable mentiong could be the Unification Transport Projects
I was in the Elbphilarmonie twice!
Stuttgart 21 indirectly ruined my childhood because my father was an engineer there and therefore missing out most of my childhood 💀
All of them should be built.
If a concert hall doesn't lay it's top priority on acoustics, it failed.
the crazy part about the elbphilharmony is that the concert hall is built like a cocoon and suspended in the air by Springs and suspensions
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This channel Reminds me of Minecraft’s mega bases
infineon dresden (another semiconducter factory) is also doing a massive extension for around 5b
1M subs is coming soon