I love classic ThinkPad Keyboards so much, I got another one! (Lenovo ThinkPad Travel Keyboard)
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- Опубликовано: 22 авг 2024
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I was gifted a Lenovo ThinkPad travel keyboard which I've been enjoying a lot. Although they're somewhat harder to find nowadays, the build is of that classic ThinkPad caliber and it is extremely light and usable. With the TrackPoint, I can use this thing at the very long length of its cord and still have a keyboard and mouse.
It works out of the box on Linux, but the main issues were the lack of a Windows key (which is easily remapped in my case), but there were also some minor key roll-over problems. Altogether I still like it enough that I might just starting using it as a real-life regular keyboard on my desk.
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Which 2hu is that
i was literally gonna comment that.
@@PsycosisIncarnated congratulations.
>dont ask questions
>just buy old product and get excited for an even older product
also
>phoneposting
now that's what I call living
Luke Smith is such a free software evangelist and still calls Super keys "Windows" keys
And apparently thinks that the Unix kernel doesn't use drivers
Semantic shift is a bastard
Where is my "command" key - that's the OG
They are supperrr for sure
@@thejusmarI just wrote a comment about that, I like to listen to the guy a lot myself cuz he talks about interesting things but idk how someone can be so smug and say so many wrong things all the time lmao. 😂 he does that like almost every video he makes I noticed.
"why I don't make videos on mice..."
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
> computer is lenovo branded
> keyboard is lenovo branded
> monitor is lenovo branded
based, or lenovo shill?
CHYNA!
lil b
He fell for the Lenovo meme.
Lenovo also makes Linux Dedicated Thinkpad >Win-Win
Normally I'd say shill especially for a Chinese company buuuuuuuut I'm also a Lenovo fanboy myself because their products never fail me sooooo
"Get rid of the borders" - Luke Smith 2020 (5:08)
"I'd like to take time out to thank my sponsor, The Open Society Foundation..."
Globalist confirmed!
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@@LukeSmithxyz B&R
gaps waste screen real estate.
Luke: Thing about Linux, you just plug it in, and if it's usb, it just works!
Me: remembering compiling WiFi drivers manually in the early 2000s 🧟🤪
Me remembering compiling wifi drivers manually in the early '20s: 😥
broadcom gang
I had to get a USB wifi adapter for my X220t because the Intel wireless card is completely proprietary and Trisquel GNU/Linux does not support proprietary software. To get the drivers for the adapter, I had to compile them myself.
me remembering cheap usb graphics tablets only working by default on one very kernel version... in 2019
@@Supertimegamingify bruh how
Luke is my favorite tech reviewer/e-celeb
eboy
my favorite content creator as well
luke is my favorite gay youtuber
He prefers to be called a "RUclips content creator." :-|
wtf is an e-celeb..
"You just plug usb and it works"
Yeah, tell that to my canon printers.
printers are a big pain to setup on any OS
tfw Watching a unix tutorial video from 1981 where all they needed to use a printer was a simple '>'. Is all you need to see to understand how much the western civilzation has degenerated.
You just get the drivers from Canon website...
@ajxbjj guess what. They don't work
@@IsusVonBier what's your printer model?
Consoomer boomer gets thinkpad product.
Clearly a response to Brodie's video yesterday on flat keyboards. The Thinkpad Chad attacks again
strategically placed intellectual book and boomer hardware tool
Link?
@@user-tm3fz7qx3s ruclips.net/video/ftHdl-14Y-E/видео.html
I really recommend his channel, lots of good videos on software recommendation and configuration tutorials
That kid is lame...
It's finally happening, this is now officially a product reviewer/consoomer/content creator channel. :)
You can adjust the trackpoint sensitivity, look at the arch wiki article for trackpoint
Yes I think it's Synaptic you have to configure
Yeah, I have. It's actually at max sensitivity, but it still doesn't move quite as fast as the laptop keyboard.
@@LukeSmithxyz maybe it needs wearing in.
Some WD40 might do the trick
Hey @@LukeSmithxyz ,
Searched AUR and found this:
A tool that can be used to control features of the "Lenovo ThinkPad USB Keyboard with TrackPoint"
aur.archlinux.org/packages/tpkbdctl-git/
It has the option to change the trackpoint sensitivity as well.
On github it says: "Only the original "Lenovo ThinkPad USB Keyboard with TrackPoint" is supported, the newer "Compact" variants are unsupported."
Since I don't have a keyboard of that type, I can't say, but may be you can figure out a workaround for that.
Thanks for the video and keyboard recommendation.
1:08 guitar in the background, when are you going to post a cover video Luke
Burzum cover
Guitars are bloat, too many strings. A bass is the superior, more minimal instrument.
the only people who get that treat are the women he brings home
@Spectrum SSS lol
@Spectrum SSS How about an ocarina
I didn’t know these levels of tech savagery were attainable
I see guitar
I demand music
@@notpreacher1564 0:53
I saw a variant of this that’s even rarer with a dedicated numeric keypad, I would love to get my hands on that!
I have one. Love it. It's an IBM version.
I've got an SK-8835 (might be the one you mean) and the "trackpoint" isn't really a trackpoint and it snaps back a little bit at the end of the movement. It's a synaptics touchstyk.
I saw this video like half year ago and I sent it to my gf and said "this is the coolest keyboard ever" Se gifted to me smilar version. I'm using ThinkPad TrackPoint II version. I never used thinkpad or a trackpoint before. At first it was something strange but after a week it's awesome. I really love this keyboard. I'm glad that I saw yours video in recommendation.
I'm invested in the settings key mystery now lol
Your x220 motherboard is also a gift from a subscriber as far as I remember ;)
programming socks
True i also use programming socks while programming
I read this comment while wearing programming socks
PSA to anyone patching windows keys in: If you want to turn one of the bottom 3 buttons into a super key, you can configure it pretty easily in /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/us. Play with the symbols file and get rid of whichever key is useless to you. Then you can keep the same sxhkd profile between computers.
I'm expecting an old 16:10 or 4:3 monitor review soon at this point.
I use a 16:10 monitor now, it's comfy as fuck, makes 16:9 monitors of the same size look small by comparison.
>look at this keyboard, is there something missing?
a numpad
Look at your keyboard, now look at me, now back at your keyboard, now back to me
Sadly, your keyboard is not my keyboard
numpad is bloated, too many numbers
Some people dislike numpads. I get it, they take up space on laptops and make your keyboard be off-center, but on desktops? No excuse there.
Ah, yes, some complain that the mouse is too far away when your keyb has a numpad. That wouldn't be a problem for this guy though haha.
@@YeOldeKamikaze a tkl keyboard still takes up less space tho :)
@@YeOldeKamikaze Or use UNIX layout (HHKB). Great layout.
the blue button must be the so-called ThinkVantage button
I don't know if it's supposed to be, but Linux autodetects the ThinkVantage button on my laptop at least.
@@LukeSmithxyz Looks like you have a really interesting SK-8845CR model. IBM produced these without the windows key, but yours is branded with Lenovo. The blue settings button is indeed the predecessor of the ThinkVantage button, but is weirdly only supported with the official Windows drivers. Depending on which version of Windows you were using, it did different things when pressed.
@@LukeSmithxyz not sure if you still have a Linux desktop PC (or any non-thinkpad computer), but would interesting to see if the blue button registers if you connect it to that
@ Mine is identical to Luke's but it's branded IBM and I think it has a trackpad. I have another one with 2 ps2 plugs instead of the USB connector.
The mystery key may be the "ThinkVantage" button, there's a similar one on my thinkpad T60 and it's used for startup settings (enter bios, temp boot device etc.). If i remember correctly there is a way to use it as a custom macro/shortcut in linux but I don't remember how it's done or if it's even possible to do it.
You could probably just use xev to check what key number/symbol it sends.
I dunno man, hard to compete with a buckling spring ps2 IMO
If you want an extra special one, there are custom mechanical keyboards that have the exact thinkpad layout.
Is it that the TEX Shinobi one?
Yep
Check out the Tex Shinobi keyboard, you'll love it!
"I like big stands and I can not lie
You other brothers can't deny"
TIL middle button and scroll with the trackpoint.... Mind. Is. Blown...!
Luke that "misterious key" I think is the "think vision" key that some thinkpads have, you can program it to do whatever you want in my case I programmed it to suspend my thinkpad (I have a t430)
I emailed you about the Tex Shinobi, which is a mechanical version of this keyboard essentially. Can't beat free though, very cool of your subscriber.
wow, there are 3 tex models and they look really interesting, mostly the click buttons being actual Keys. They are expensive but seem to be one of those products you buy once and use throughout all your lifetime.
@@ezforsaken Can confirm, it is built extremely well, and I've owned model Ms in the past.
1:39 Correction: Linux does have drivers but most of them are merge into a kernel to be specific. If you don't have drivers for certain device you can of course write them on your own if you are good with programmingof that kind of stuff.
You may want to look at the Tex Shinobi if you want mechanical switches
So, I've read a few fragments from Unaboomer's manifesto, and they make sense.
Crap, is it time to make a mail bomb?
2:30 "I like the big ones okay?"
-quote of the year
When I saw the thumbnail, I thought it was going to be a video about converting a laptop keyboard into a stand-alone. I never knew these devices exist.
Well timed video, just bought one of these for $28 in Brazil, which is insanely cheap considering everything computer related is overpriced here.
> intel celeron laptop
> R$ 3000 (3x min wage)
Sempre bom ver brasileiro na internet
@@danielffnando Jajaja ja, wtf celeron. Cristiano Ronaldo doesn't approve that.
Esse teclado ThinkPad por $28 ? Pode dizer onde cara muito afim de pegar um.
Já cansei do touchpad do Dell
@@danielffnando comprei um ideapad s145 (ryzen 5 3500u, 12GB ram) por 3000
On the next episode of Luke's madness: luke learns steno with plover + vim
stenography is actually quite useful
@@urugulu1656 I should have rephrased that to my madness. It's all too much. the problem is it does seem useful
there are people dropping over $300 on a 40% keyboard
Ngl, that might be me pretty soon (but probably like $200). What should I get instead? I want a small mechanical keyboard, and I want to flash keybindings straight to the board.
@@Cheesewiz247 What keeb are you getting? If you don't care about cnc milled metal body, then 40% keeb can be way cheaper.
I think there was a guy selling pcb's you can plug a thinkpad laptop keyboard into, making it fully programmable usb keyboard.
A PCB instead of xinput?
@@joselaw6669 Not sure what you mean. Those pcb's have a microcotroller, which has usb interface. It was atmega32u4, if I'm not mistaken, it was a while ago I looked that up. Anyway, you can program that microcontroller to behave like any hid. The host system is irrelevant, it will detect whatever type of usb hid you programmed the uC with and communicate with it as any other device of same type.
@@ffdgfgff1849 you can modify keys behaviour with X11.
You don't need the keyboard to be interpreted as another device or send new commands
@@joselaw6669 How are you going to connect thinkpad laptop keyboard to a PC?
3:01 ZOMG GUYS LUKE SMITH IS GOING TO BE A CUTE GIRL
Yeah I have the ibm version one with the leather pouch. It’s a beautiful piece of hardware, has usb hub as well. Mine also has a trackpad
This dude is a legend, using old stuff, avoiding spyware and all things that comes with it and makes videos complaining about newer stuff, big companies, Linux and internet in general. I like your videos because they remembers me not only you can still use old stuff but how great was the past technology with the new software compared to the new stuff.
Consoom
virgin Super modkey vs chad Alt modkey
based and altkeyed
Very sad. I hope you find salvation.
"I hate having to move my hand over to the mouse." Have you tried a KeyMouse? It solves this problem and you can even type while moving the mouse which is something your touchpad/trackpoint can't do.
@@user-jv6ox5gb6v Are you sure that's the keyboard's fault and not the key layout? I had the same problem but then I switched from QWERTY to Colemak-DHm and the problem went away.
They have gotten so expensive, I used to keep a few of those around for use on my servers and what not but they are pretty pricey now a days. The 'newer' ones aren't terrible luckily so now I have one of those, you used to be able to get those for 30-50 bucks used, so sad I didn't stockpile a few more back then.
I was going round and round with keyboards and said to my wife "i wish i could just have the keyboard on your thinkpad..." RUclips search... Holy crap, its a real thing! Thank you for this through video!
Luke seems like the kind of guy I would have tea with and just talk tech with. Great video.
The key binding is something that I was looking for for the long long time
i have one of these and the keys are too stiff to press unlike actual thinkpad laptop keyboards, thinking maybe i got bamboozled into buying a fake one?
Mine feels pretty much just like a ThinkPad keyboard. Maybe you have one of the newer meme key ones?
@@LukeSmithxyz Nope, it's the same model you have though mine was from a chinese seller on ebay... it doesn't feel like my X220 keyboard. I use the newer chiclet thinkpad keyboard externally and it's better than the SK one with much softer keys.
Eventually, no one can evade the mouse, come home Luke Smith. btw that capslock functionality is called "Dual-Role Key Remapping" for any filthy casuals that want to look up more info on it. pretty comfy
ThinkPad + Manjaro. That works wonderfully for me.
In the next Matrix movie, Luke should be the operator.
have you ever tried a keyboard wit mouse movement with vim bindings like the uhk or ergo dox
OMG you are the first person I know who like the red dot...
i think the idea is cool, but on the two thinkpads i have had, the mouse would many times just wander off after using it until it kinda settled itself.
If you’re super into old thinkpad keyboards, theres a Taibao listing for a custom made USB conversion with a custom housing (I chose wood). Ordered through SuperBuy, hasn’t arrived yet, and costed me £55 with the NMB X220 Keyboard.
I do like that lenovo didn't just reinvented the thinkpad line or ruin it.
Monolithic kernel is not modular, static kernel. The kernels we generally use today is modular, so when you connect a device, the "driver" actually injected as a module to the kernel. So, Linux is the kernel, and it definitely uses drivers as modules. The most important thing here is, generally drivers are generic, so that when you connect a hid device like a keyboard, a generic driver which is written for Thinkpad keyboard is injected as a module, it works! However, since the driver is generic, some of the functions may not work, or work as expected. If the device has a specific module, driver on the other hand, most of the functions may work if they have been added in the driver. My 20 dollars.
There's also a mechanical keyboard with a trackpoint. It's from TEX Electronics called Yoda II. It costs over 280$, but since it's mechanical it should last a long time.
Yeah maybe if your a zoomer who likes tiny baby soy keyboards. Get the TEX Shinobi keyboard instead it’s cheaper and has same form factor as this thinkpad one.
Wow, with that capslock binding, you are one step closer to being an emacs user! :D
If you want to know if it sends bytes but it doesn't generate xevents to xinput.
Usé the tool usbhid-dump.
To see if it sends something. Just remember to give it a timer so it doesn't capture the USB for a minute(default timer )
For that unknown key.
I like trackpoints and it's hard to find external keyboard with it (I had 2 different ThinkPad Travel Keyboards though), but then I built custom board with QMK firmware and mapped modifier+HJKL to mouse emulation and it's actually cool. Probably not so cool without QMK and extra keys for modifier, but still doable.
And yes, there are TEX Shinobi if someone wants cooler version of Travel Keyboard and has ~200$.
Bro, I've been using dwm for what feels like decades, love it so much
Cool keyboard, modeled after the thinkpad x201 keyboard i believe. There's also the SK-8855 which is more similar to the x220 keyboard, with the bigger escape and delete keys and the meta key. I went all out and got the Tex Shinobi, super cool mechanical keyboard with the same sk8855 layout and used a modern trackpoint module so it stays faithful to the feel 🥵👌
3:00 nice programming socks
The thumbnails are so good man
Escolios a un texto implícito????? Nicolás Gómez Dávila! Now we have a real reactionary here. Congrats.
Luke doesn't use vim commands to control his browser? I am so confused right now...
Yeah, from the way he reaches halfway across the keyboard with one hand to hit shortcuts, you'd think he uses emacs.
Scrolling isnt great in keyboard (i use vimium in Chrome)
qutebrowser
I used that keyboard in one my teachers Lenovo laptop. Laptop looks were crappy but oh boy that keyboard was clicky and really finger orgasmic, typing on is soo
damn smooth
It's damn good, but if you want a click, try a kaihua kailh box jade keyboard.
that's a nice one. i particularly like the t40 keyboard with grey key caps and the x40 large trackpoint buttons.
I have ThinkPad L512.
Its keyboard is so freaking good I wanna take it out and use on my PC.
Okay, I guess you’re not doing much PowerPoint fabrication, that’s why people think trackpoint is superior to mouse, which is not true in most scenarios.
Yeah man. These keyboards are my absolute favorites, and I don't even like row-staggered ANSI keyboards. I'd rather be using an ErgoDox or a Planck, but that TrackPoint always keeps me coming back. IBM/Lenovo also made the correct choice by having the function key in the most bottom-left location. Dell and HP put it between the Ctrl and Win keys, but it's marginally more convenient to hit the Ctrl key when it is that much closer. On the topic of Ctrl keys, it looks like you really lucked out with this keyboard having pure Ctrl/Alt - it truly isn't a Windows keyboard at all.
imap jk to in Vim. It is an even better escape key, and a classic vim hack.
Holy fuck I didn’t know this exists. I need to find one. Kudos about the mouse comment, I’m writing code 80% of the time and I hate reaching over to the mouse while typing
there is also the new ThinkPad TrackPoint Keyboard IIs that have been released this year (2020) I think, which is not as rare but still as compared to the generic keyboards and mechanicals out there, still rare. and it has both 2.4 and bluetooth connection with batteries lasts for days/weeks even.
aaaand later I watched the whole video and you were specifically referring to this model.,,
Oooh man, looks like Luke has gotta get into the keyboard game again.
I see you've nicely bundled it with a travel monitor as well.
3:00 😩
More for his patreon subscribers
I think Lenovo needs to sponsor you. Hahaha
Linux has drivers the difference between Linux and Windows is that the majority of drivers are built into the Linux kernel while the majority for Windows are not.
They both work the same way and yes for many newer devices you will still have to manually install drivers on Linux and many times those drives will be some volunteer work that's not officially supported which is why that was a thing people would say about Linux having bad hardware support, its gotten a lot better more recently though but we still have issues. RGB keyboards for instance is like half of them work OK and half of them don't, but regardless you'll be using OpenRGB for any of them and the configuration software is nowhere near as robust as the official ones for Windows obviously....
Hey, man, he's behind you. Do a 180. No man, I'm gonna think pad I'm using the trackpad right now. We consume too much nowadays. Now let me play blog music on my Speakers
I also like to have a good Mike too
The only inconvenience I find with the Lenovo keyboards is the Fn key in the bottom-left corner instead of the Ctrl key. I usually swap them in BIOS
Is this some kind of Lenovo Harem, you got right there ? :)
You don't need a Windows key they have foot pedals that you can bind to anything on NewEgg
x220 was the best laptop I ever owned at that point in time!
These IBM style keyboards were the best in class. It is a shame Lenovo sucks at new tech. I loved the keyboard of my T400.
T400 Thinkpads have the best laptop keyboards ever.
Oh, you did the thing that I do with my caps lock, except I do it in the keyboard's firmware. Nice. Consider using the space bar for a modifier too, since it's the easiest key to hold.
The last thing you said is the funniest antijoke i’ve heard, lol
imagine gaming on this badboi 😍
>Gayming
No Windows key!!😲
❤Luke stroking that Lenovo logo!😂🤣🤣
i dun get why they call these travel keyboards, when i'm gonna carry a laptop with the same keyboard in it
I just found out about you and started listening to all of your podcasts. They are awesome but I see the last one was 4 months ago?? I know I would love to hear more
Thanks for teaching me how to make thumbnails