When i first heard the concept of SoD and saw the class changes, i thought there was going to be tons of new dungeons, raids and PvP events. From the looks of it, it seems pretty boring.
if you look at the classic team, it makes sense, its literally like 5 people working on both SoD and cataclysm at the same time, they probably didnt want to risk putting too much effort into something they werent certain is gonna be successful, but it obviously was. Thats why they are sending out surveys now if people would be interested in a full on classic+ server thats not just a season like SoD.
Worse part about "the only thing you're going to get is a higher parse" is that THE PARSE ISN'T EVEN SOMETHING BLIZZARD DESIGNED. Like what would this game be without WCL? What is the point of getting full bis and all this gear without ANYTHING to use it in?!?!
hardcore is popping off now no need to wait for October. Soda even mentioning that he miight come back in october the last time he talked about HC got a ton more people interested. Alliance on Defias pilager is popping and I've heard horde on Skull Rock is also pretty great, prob gonna roll my next character there to check it out for myself.
People were expecting more, I think they were expecting very game changing things from MC but all they added was a difficulty level and were also expecting a Grim Batol raid or Mount Hyjal as a new zone to play/level in, people were expecting it to be a lot more than what the Classic team is doing, even though it was pretty obvious its just a testing ground for Classic+
@SomeGuy-xd9wz We got a new raid in phases 1, 2, and 3, and we got a new dungeon in phase 4. I didn't expect a new raid because we have a bunch of modified vanilla raid content to get through! Save the bigger new raids for after Nax. As long as we get a little something new each phase along with modified old raids, I'm happy.
Wow pvp was never good. It's a mini game in a pve game that only 5% of the playerbase bothers to participate in. It's impossible to balance and even if it were, the devs are focused on balancing the actual game (pve) anyway. People like soda have these memories of ganking noobs in terrible gear outside of a town and think that was peak pvp gameplay. He also has this weird cope that wow pvp is somehow the biggest skill expression of any game. His argument with Tyler1 about how getting challenger in league was easy because league has "4 buttons" was peak delusion. I think soda knows if he seriously played any moba he would be hardstuck gold so he sticks to wow pvp and copes about how it makes him a god gamer compared to everyone else.
@@JustLikeYou. What does it matter what WoW was supposed to originally be about or what WoW was like 20 years ago? The reason why everyone knows these WoW streamers is because of PvP, not because of PvE. WoW was marketed as a casual game when it was released. The culture has changed to being incredibly competitive today, even in PvE. Just because the game is focused primarily on PvE, it doesn't mean that you just give absolutely no effort into PvP. You added the option into the game, it is your responsibility to maintain the upkeep. The point of having different aspects of the game is to avoid getting burnt out. You can take a break from PvE and do PvP and vice versa.
@@MagisterMittens dude wow is still a PvE focused game. It will always be a PvE focused game. The game will always be balanced around PvE. Y’all are crazy to think WoW will ever change to be even 50/50 PvE/PvP especially the classic WoW team that is like 5-6 people that are working on cata classic and sod at the same time. Classic wow was already to most unbalanced PvP ever was and with the new shit SoD brought it would have been impossible for them to balance
What about SOD pvp is so bad? I keep hearing streamers repeat this over and over, but none of them elaborate. Its starting to sound like a hive-mind take.
I did not play sod but I can tell you en in general playing against a mage is frustrating adding the capasity to have a lot of mana and healing can be a problem. A lot of sell are doing to much damage and they do no balance that
Fights last like 2 globals because everyone's kit is overloaded with way too much damage. Rogues were literally killing me before cheap shot ended last time I played sod.
forcing pvp players to pve is always cringe though people just spend IRL money for their pvp sets lets be honest no lifes and people who work jobs just want to steam roll people the problem with wow pvp is that it's too balanced you end up fighting for hours if everyones similar skill
SOD is not the classic+ i wanted. They combined retail with classic, and ruined classic instead of expanding on the game we all loved. i wanted original classic with slight changes like buffing ret, i wanted more CONTENT for classic like Scarlet Monestary raids and interesting new loot. Expand on the great game we love, dont ruin it with retail abilities and re-used concepts.... They also ruined class identity in SOD, who asked for arcane mages to heal instead of do damage....
They're out of touch with the game, the majority of them were never on the original first few expansions so they have no idea what people want. D2R kind of got things right, they realized we just wanted another D2 with more stuff and after failing D3 and over 10 years later they finally made D2R with new runewords, same skills/talents/stats etc but with new improvements that actually help. I wish the D2R team was the one doing Classic instead.
Yeah, I was hoping for a more fleshed out classic world, fill out the empty gaps with more locations, flightpaths, dungeons, questlines and possibly even an old forgotten "faction" to go up against that has been stagnant in obscurity, essentially more choices on how you can level up your character, instead of having to pick from those we already have.
When i first heard the concept of SoD and saw the class changes, i thought there was going to be tons of new dungeons, raids and PvP events. From the looks of it, it seems pretty boring.
if you look at the classic team, it makes sense, its literally like 5 people working on both SoD and cataclysm at the same time, they probably didnt want to risk putting too much effort into something they werent certain is gonna be successful, but it obviously was. Thats why they are sending out surveys now if people would be interested in a full on classic+ server thats not just a season like SoD.
Worse part about "the only thing you're going to get is a higher parse" is that THE PARSE ISN'T EVEN SOMETHING BLIZZARD DESIGNED. Like what would this game be without WCL? What is the point of getting full bis and all this gear without ANYTHING to use it in?!?!
ppl like having the best gear to pump the most dmg. This isnt a new concept and WCL didnt bring this concept out its just more advertised.
@@holyflygon Maybe 15 years ago but at this point if WCL didn't exist the "Endgame" of Sod would be bank standing with tier set.
@@Taziod I mean ppl still would go for BiS because dps meter ppl like seeing themselves at the top and the only way to get that is with BiS items.
its wild how SoD players cope and pray about the downfall of cata when its in a much better state then SoD is.
anyone being all toxic and choosing a team, cata VS SoD, is basically the same level of retarded.
hardcore is popping off now no need to wait for October. Soda even mentioning that he miight come back in october the last time he talked about HC got a ton more people interested. Alliance on Defias pilager is popping and I've heard horde on Skull Rock is also pretty great, prob gonna roll my next character there to check it out for myself.
But a lot wow streamers still play retail, and i thinkt that they would like to play it, especially these streamers who are going for 100% achivment
SoD phase 4 has been really fun sofar. No idea why people are hating on it
People were expecting more, I think they were expecting very game changing things from MC but all they added was a difficulty level and were also expecting a Grim Batol raid or Mount Hyjal as a new zone to play/level in, people were expecting it to be a lot more than what the Classic team is doing, even though it was pretty obvious its just a testing ground for Classic+
@SomeGuy-xd9wz We got a new raid in phases 1, 2, and 3, and we got a new dungeon in phase 4. I didn't expect a new raid because we have a bunch of modified vanilla raid content to get through! Save the bigger new raids for after Nax. As long as we get a little something new each phase along with modified old raids, I'm happy.
Wow pvp was never good. It's a mini game in a pve game that only 5% of the playerbase bothers to participate in. It's impossible to balance and even if it were, the devs are focused on balancing the actual game (pve) anyway. People like soda have these memories of ganking noobs in terrible gear outside of a town and think that was peak pvp gameplay. He also has this weird cope that wow pvp is somehow the biggest skill expression of any game. His argument with Tyler1 about how getting challenger in league was easy because league has "4 buttons" was peak delusion. I think soda knows if he seriously played any moba he would be hardstuck gold so he sticks to wow pvp and copes about how it makes him a god gamer compared to everyone else.
Yeah people don’t realize that PvP is basically just something thrown together, WoW has never gave PvP really any sort of attention
They legit have been telling pvp players to go fuck ourselves from the start
Wow has never been about pvp. At the launch of wow there was literally no reason to pvp
@@JustLikeYou. What does it matter what WoW was supposed to originally be about or what WoW was like 20 years ago? The reason why everyone knows these WoW streamers is because of PvP, not because of PvE.
WoW was marketed as a casual game when it was released. The culture has changed to being incredibly competitive today, even in PvE.
Just because the game is focused primarily on PvE, it doesn't mean that you just give absolutely no effort into PvP. You added the option into the game, it is your responsibility to maintain the upkeep.
The point of having different aspects of the game is to avoid getting burnt out. You can take a break from PvE and do PvP and vice versa.
How are they doing that? I find PvP in SoD fun
@@MagisterMittens dude wow is still a PvE focused game. It will always be a PvE focused game. The game will always be balanced around PvE. Y’all are crazy to think WoW will ever change to be even 50/50 PvE/PvP especially the classic WoW team that is like 5-6 people that are working on cata classic and sod at the same time. Classic wow was already to most unbalanced PvP ever was and with the new shit SoD brought it would have been impossible for them to balance
@@JustLikeYou. That has nothing to do with what I said so feel free to learn how to read before responding again.
Complaining sod doesn’t have pvp as he’s about to play hardcore…
vanilla era realms are really fun right now, the og normal ones
Me and some friends just started playing and we’ve been having a blast!
What about SOD pvp is so bad? I keep hearing streamers repeat this over and over, but none of them elaborate. Its starting to sound like a hive-mind take.
PvP in regular classic was very unbalanced, it is like 3-4x worse in SoD
I did not play sod but I can tell you en in general playing against a mage is frustrating adding the capasity to have a lot of mana and healing can be a problem. A lot of sell are doing to much damage and they do no balance that
Fights last like 2 globals because everyone's kit is overloaded with way too much damage. Rogues were literally killing me before cheap shot ended last time I played sod.
In what season / expa does Soda thinks wow had the best pvp?
MoP, IIRC, but I could be wrong.
forcing pvp players to pve is always cringe though people just spend IRL money for their pvp sets lets be honest no lifes and people who work jobs just want to steam roll people the problem with wow pvp is that it's too balanced you end up fighting for hours if everyones similar skill
Maybe in retail it’s “balanced” lol in classic it was pretty unbalanced, and WoW has never been a PvP focused game
IDK pveing only to duel is kinda cringe, to play anything and only do one thing is weird but dueling especially is just boring and cringe
Does soda think vanilla pvp is balanced? Like locks didn’t just shi on everyone or mages he’s mad feral isn’t good
Me and a group of friends held thorium point for 45 mins got 100s of hks I don’t know what soda is talking about on this
SoD is pretty awesome, dont see why there is so much hate
wagnawos
Pay extra money for early access so you can quit faster..... gamers enjoying ripping themselves off.
LMAO go play a pvp game if you want good pvp...Never understood this qq
U are so dumb🤣 why is there rated pvp then? Or actuall blizzcon/ arena tournies? Cus its part of the game
SOD is not the classic+ i wanted. They combined retail with classic, and ruined classic instead of expanding on the game we all loved. i wanted original classic with slight changes like buffing ret, i wanted more CONTENT for classic like Scarlet Monestary raids and interesting new loot. Expand on the great game we love, dont ruin it with retail abilities and re-used concepts.... They also ruined class identity in SOD, who asked for arcane mages to heal instead of do damage....
They're out of touch with the game, the majority of them were never on the original first few expansions so they have no idea what people want.
D2R kind of got things right, they realized we just wanted another D2 with more stuff and after failing D3 and over 10 years later they finally made D2R with new runewords, same skills/talents/stats etc but with new improvements that actually help.
I wish the D2R team was the one doing Classic instead.
Amen
Yeah, I was hoping for a more fleshed out classic world, fill out the empty gaps with more locations, flightpaths, dungeons, questlines and possibly even an old forgotten "faction" to go up against that has been stagnant in obscurity, essentially more choices on how you can level up your character, instead of having to pick from those we already have.
Well they did buff ret
I want nick in Only fangs
sod is a mega turd bastardised version of retail. 1 button boring rotations of classic, shit, no community feel of retail. gg
yeah and no nostalgia , it's so shit
Stay mad and small
@@Enacoidstay mad and small
@@dakhaos588 i mean if you enjoy it its fine, happy for you i just think its terrible
Classic era Clears sod and cata
No
Stay mad and small
they ruin the game with every change
Womp womp