Great, in depth convo. I think Dan's concerns about Caruso being too deferential at times is a valid one. It'll be interesting to see how Okc uses him. Seems some are under the impression he's a "shooter" or three point specialist. He's not. He's more or less a low volume 3 & D undersized wing these days, and defensive specialist 1 to 4. Bulls announcer Stacy King called him the team's "Free Safety" last season. And thats sort of accurate. He's become the near definition of a "positionless" basketball player. What Okc makes of that, idk? I've also heard chatter of him returning to his old backup PG role running the second unit? I don't see that, though. Many forget his natural position is PG. He was one his entire career. But for the NBA? He's average at best, not very dynamic. And he hasn't played the position for two seasons, really. Can he run an offense? I suppose. But why would you want him to? He's nothing special at it and hasn't been a primary ball handler for two seasons. When 'Zo went out three seasons ago AC was also out injured, so Ayo Dosunmu took over. And when AC came back? He backed Ayo, not the other way around. Caruso started at PG that year in the playoffs because rookie Ayo feel off a cliff with the rest of the team post All Star break. He did well enough, but it was the last time Chicago used him as a PG, period. If SGA goes down? He's not giving what Giddey could filling in. It'll have to get done by committee, most likely. And when AC is on the floor ideally he's your 4-5 scoring option. Even in a full on second unit...fourth option at best, third in a pinch. But if any of your primary scorers are slacking chances are he's not going to make up for it. He'll pitch in with scoring, hit a timely shot. But he's not taking over. I think a player as versatile and well rounded as him can "fit" any system. And even if Okc decide he's not NEEDED....or they NEED something different? He's definitely a net asset in any trade. So the team has some flexibility there. I'm fairly certain he's going to work out great. Just remember...he's a "Free Safety." So let him be one.
@@jdh9676 whoaaaaa sicko shit here I love it. agree with a lot of what you say-the Ayo point is GREAT. i ultimately think the Caruso add was borne from just a good opportunity but is also a bet in continued on-ball development from j-dub, Chet and Cason specifically. but could def see a scenario where maybe that’s not enough, at least this season
90%+ of the minutes will have one of JDub and SGA in it running the show as the defacto PG. I can see Caruso, Cason, or even Wiggins being capable of filling in the rest but it won’t be often. Caruso fit on defense is obvious as a versatile defender who can guard 1-most 4’s. His offense is versatile too in the fact that he can fill in at PG for 5 minutes if needed, but really fits well as a secondary ball handler, connector and shooter. He’s not high volume from 3 but keeps the ball moving and finds good shots for others. I think he’s as perfect fit as you can get for your 4-6th best player who will start most games and finish many. Most teams don’t expect their 4-6th best player to “take over” games.
I'm happy to hear someone say that a big wing was the bigger need. The ideal big wing could have addressed many needs simultaneously (shooting, shot creation, rebounding). Look at the Celtics. They only play one big at a time, and they don't have rebounding issues because Tatum rebounds extremely well for a 3/4. Now obviously, you're not getting a Tatum, but I do think they could have found someone adequate given their pick situation, cap space, and salary matching tools.
I think we just need to see JDUB paint out how he’ll look at a pure 2nd option. I’m still skeptical on the creation against those wings who’ll really focus on them since we know OKC is coming but either way great show
I like your point about Joe vs. Trent. But at the same time, Joe's deal will fit into the big MLE soon enough so would be easy to move when these super max deals hit for them.
@@bjpivonka1672 excellent point about the mle. i kind of feel like Wiggins could be the more likely trade candidate in that vein but that’s a few steps ahead. this team is simply stacked haha
@@HardwoodKnocksNBA I already teased my thunder friends that they set up the expansion draft to hit after the celtics 3 peat so the new teams can raid OKC's cubbard. But OKC will look like Minnesota cap wise in like 2 years. So they needed to make their moves now cause they won't be able to keep everyone unless they're willing to pay a killer tax and basically just maneuver up and down the draft board for their new additions.
Dieng is gonna walk after his rookie deal is up and barely played, get a solid MLE deal and be the new Coby White (steal contract).....or be the next Jonathan Bender....no middle lol
@@bjpivonka1672 lmaoooooo the vast range of outcomes feels spot on tbh…i really would like to see him on a team with consistent developmental minutes available tho
@@HardwoodKnocksNBA the problem is much like the pacers young guys, who is the match for okc to trade them for? The teams that could make sense don't really have what OKC wants (washington) or they already made a stupid trade with and missed their chances ( :: glares at Chicago :: ). I have no idea what Chicago is doing, at least get Dieng if you aren't getting picks. And their stubbornness to not tear down when you owe SA this pick for next 2 or 3 years seems crazy to me. Very short sighted. But they did league the league in attendance despite making the play-in, so they may not care about a late lottery pick if they can keep that up.
Can a team have too many 6’-4” dudes? Guess not… no one seems worried about it, but it seems like a minutes crunch and someone will be left in the cold. Wallace, Caruso, Dort, Wiggins, Kenrich… can they all play?
@@nickhopson yeah that’s what i was alluding to with the guard glut but at the same time Cason, Caruso and Dort are all good at guarding up so it doesn’t faze me personally.
No he's not. GMAB. He's a big man with some perimeter skills. That kind of player is still going to be better going against 5s than 4s. Also, wing implies the ability to play some 3 as well.
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Great, in depth convo. I think Dan's concerns about Caruso being too deferential at times is a valid one. It'll be interesting to see how Okc uses him. Seems some are under the impression he's a "shooter" or three point specialist. He's not. He's more or less a low volume 3 & D undersized wing these days, and defensive specialist 1 to 4. Bulls announcer Stacy King called him the team's "Free Safety" last season. And thats sort of accurate. He's become the near definition of a "positionless" basketball player. What Okc makes of that, idk? I've also heard chatter of him returning to his old backup PG role running the second unit? I don't see that, though. Many forget his natural position is PG. He was one his entire career. But for the NBA? He's average at best, not very dynamic. And he hasn't played the position for two seasons, really. Can he run an offense? I suppose. But why would you want him to? He's nothing special at it and hasn't been a primary ball handler for two seasons. When 'Zo went out three seasons ago AC was also out injured, so Ayo Dosunmu took over. And when AC came back? He backed Ayo, not the other way around. Caruso started at PG that year in the playoffs because rookie Ayo feel off a cliff with the rest of the team post All Star break. He did well enough, but it was the last time Chicago used him as a PG, period. If SGA goes down? He's not giving what Giddey could filling in. It'll have to get done by committee, most likely. And when AC is on the floor ideally he's your 4-5 scoring option. Even in a full on second unit...fourth option at best, third in a pinch. But if any of your primary scorers are slacking chances are he's not going to make up for it. He'll pitch in with scoring, hit a timely shot. But he's not taking over. I think a player as versatile and well rounded as him can "fit" any system. And even if Okc decide he's not NEEDED....or they NEED something different? He's definitely a net asset in any trade. So the team has some flexibility there. I'm fairly certain he's going to work out great. Just remember...he's a "Free Safety." So let him be one.
@@jdh9676 whoaaaaa sicko shit here I love it. agree with a lot of what you say-the Ayo point is GREAT. i ultimately think the Caruso add was borne from just a good opportunity but is also a bet in continued on-ball development from j-dub, Chet and Cason specifically. but could def see a scenario where maybe that’s not enough, at least this season
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90%+ of the minutes will have one of JDub and SGA in it running the show as the defacto PG. I can see Caruso, Cason, or even Wiggins being capable of filling in the rest but it won’t be often.
Caruso fit on defense is obvious as a versatile defender who can guard 1-most 4’s.
His offense is versatile too in the fact that he can fill in at PG for 5 minutes if needed, but really fits well as a secondary ball handler, connector and shooter. He’s not high volume from 3 but keeps the ball moving and finds good shots for others.
I think he’s as perfect fit as you can get for your 4-6th best player who will start most games and finish many. Most teams don’t expect their 4-6th best player to “take over” games.
I'm happy to hear someone say that a big wing was the bigger need. The ideal big wing could have addressed many needs simultaneously (shooting, shot creation, rebounding). Look at the Celtics. They only play one big at a time, and they don't have rebounding issues because Tatum rebounds extremely well for a 3/4. Now obviously, you're not getting a Tatum, but I do think they could have found someone adequate given their pick situation, cap space, and salary matching tools.
@@rome8180 shout out to you for agreeing with me ! lmao
TS%(Guards 60 game min) 1-G.Allen 67.9% 3-*Wiggs.66.4% 4-*SGA 63.6% 7-*I.Joe 62.6% 9-*JDub 62.1% 10-Luka.11-Steph. 14-*Caruso 61.3% 15-Harden.16-*C.Wallace 61.2%. 18-D.Booker
I think we just need to see JDUB paint out how he’ll look at a pure 2nd option. I’m still skeptical on the creation against those wings who’ll really focus on them since we know OKC is coming but either way great show
Has anyone ever told Tayler and Jacob they look like Bobby Moynihan and Andy Samberg? I'm getting 2015 SNL flashbacks...
@@rome8180 I’ll have to ask them but I definitely ever thought this 😂
What Jacob said: “I’m not saying he will be as good”, “stylistically”, “on offense”
What aggregators hear : “OKC podder says Chet is the new Durant”
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If the goal for Hartenstein is to average 10 boards and take 3 to 4 3-pointers a game on 35% shooting or better, starting out, it can work.
@@J-Hue I will be pleasantly shocked if Hartenstein gets up 3-4 threes per game lol
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I like your point about Joe vs. Trent. But at the same time, Joe's deal will fit into the big MLE soon enough so would be easy to move when these super max deals hit for them.
@@bjpivonka1672 excellent point about the mle. i kind of feel like Wiggins could be the more likely trade candidate in that vein but that’s a few steps ahead. this team is simply stacked haha
@@HardwoodKnocksNBA I already teased my thunder friends that they set up the expansion draft to hit after the celtics 3 peat so the new teams can raid OKC's cubbard. But OKC will look like Minnesota cap wise in like 2 years. So they needed to make their moves now cause they won't be able to keep everyone unless they're willing to pay a killer tax and basically just maneuver up and down the draft board for their new additions.
Dieng is gonna walk after his rookie deal is up and barely played, get a solid MLE deal and be the new Coby White (steal contract).....or be the next Jonathan Bender....no middle lol
@@bjpivonka1672 lmaoooooo the vast range of outcomes feels spot on tbh…i really would like to see him on a team with consistent developmental minutes available tho
@@HardwoodKnocksNBA the problem is much like the pacers young guys, who is the match for okc to trade them for? The teams that could make sense don't really have what OKC wants (washington) or they already made a stupid trade with and missed their chances ( :: glares at Chicago :: ). I have no idea what Chicago is doing, at least get Dieng if you aren't getting picks. And their stubbornness to not tear down when you owe SA this pick for next 2 or 3 years seems crazy to me. Very short sighted. But they did league the league in attendance despite making the play-in, so they may not care about a late lottery pick if they can keep that up.
Can a team have too many 6’-4” dudes? Guess not… no one seems worried about it, but it seems like a minutes crunch and someone will be left in the cold. Wallace, Caruso, Dort, Wiggins, Kenrich… can they all play?
@@nickhopson yeah that’s what i was alluding to with the guard glut but at the same time Cason, Caruso and Dort are all good at guarding up so it doesn’t faze me personally.
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@@ChrisCullins91 lmao seems reasonable!
bro on the right did not see the iHart workout video. Chet is the big wing now
Kevin Durant is a wing lmao
No he's not. GMAB. He's a big man with some perimeter skills. That kind of player is still going to be better going against 5s than 4s. Also, wing implies the ability to play some 3 as well.