Eruption, Surge, Face the Darkness, Friends Forever, Ultimate Weapon, Doctor/Trapper/Hag in certain instances, addons that make you scream, etc… There’s uses for this perk if you have a free slot to slide it in. Not saying it’s the greatest perk or even a good perk, but it’s not useless and shouldn’t be discounted just yet.
You said all that but forgot Infectious Fright which is the best scream perk in the game. I run this perk when I vs flashlight swfs…luckily I don’t think they’ll run hardened.
@@tomfabian1754 sure i guess? but infectious is mostly a slugging perk on killer's like oni, to make the most of your power... and if it was a swf i don't need them screaming to know that they'll be there to try and save, sabo and bodyblock. Plus, i feel like survivors misunderstand the value of screams. Scourge hook isn't great because you hear them scream across the map (in that regard, at times there can be too many loud noise notifications in the distance lol) before you can even attempt to go there (if it's even smart, because there's no point in fighint for an isolated gen unless it's the last one), but because alongside the 20% regression you can bring dead man's switch and force them to interrupt. That applies to screams in general, their strongest aspect is the fact that it interrupts healing/repairing/cleansing. not that infectious is bad or anything, it's just that screams on their own aren't that great for locating purposes, or else doctor would be super op lol. even when it comes to doctor, the best part of his screams is stopping people doing gens, not necesarily pin pointing were they are due to a static bubble. it won't warant bringing hardened or calm spirit. and i'm usually glad when i see them, because it could have been distorsion, or a flashbang, or an annoying meme flipflop boil over exponential build, or an actually strong build with stuff like decisive strike, lithe, adrenaline, unbreakable, etc
From playing the ptb, I agree that it's a bit of a waste of time, especially with everyone trying the gen rushing perk. However, I think that the value you can get from pain resonance which is still on of the most used killer perks, as well as some more niche perks, including scene partner. It's definitely not the worst perk, I think that small game is the worst
@@banthinkng He's talking about not screaming while working on a gen hit by pain res, giving away your position to the killer and them come to your gen further delaying gen progress.
@@KuzcoYT but you can already avoid that. it will maybe catch you off guard the first time (by now i almost assume they'll have a scourge hook perk, but i get it if you fall for the scream the first time each match), but if you aren't letting go of your gen for a single second after that, then it's your fault seriously.
I don't see anything with playing immersed or hide and seek. The game is casual, it's meant to be fun, if you're only worried about "do the gens NOW NOW you HAVE to do the gens there's nothing else to do DO THE GEN" it just ruins the game, its unhealthy for the game as a lot of people play casually, its not a competitive game , and if people are choosing to not have do gens and do other things, that MUST mean holding down left click for a whole minute is not fun. Now ya saying there's "no room for hide and seek gameplay" because it doesn't help the objective, because its unhealthy (for some reason ?) for the game, its not a good playstyle, and then you say the "sneaky" gameplay does have a place, its just when you let being afraid of the killer stop you or push you away from the objective (which is kinda the point with some killers and some perks) so then there IS room for sneaky/immersed/hide and seek gameplay if that's the case. you just think that if someone is bad/not playing the "right" way when it comes to being sneaky, there's no room for it. Looping is apparently the "way the game is right now" , making it seem like there's no changing that, that you HAVE to play that way, but tell me, what's the difference between someone who's being sneaky but scared of the killer so they push away from the gens/objective ( I say objective bcz there's other stuff to do than just gens so that game is kept fun) versus someone who's got a looping build, got the looping playstyle, but they instantly throw down every pallet they see while the killer is chasing them? isn't throwing down every pallet "unhealthy" ? but because they're looping instead of hiding, it's okay? what is better to say is to not say there's "no room for (insert gameplay here)" in a non competitive game and to say or give examples of how a play style can be used to push the objective (bcz there are defintively ways to do that with an immersive mindset) or just realize that not everyone has fun or is content with just "winning' but have more fun playing the game like its a horror game. I mean personally, my builds as a killer are all ways to just jump scare or catch people off guard, even if its not getting me 4k a game, its super fun to spook people or get the jump on them versus playing a specific way or only using "Good perks" to get as many 4k's as possible. As a survivor, the build I have the MOST success with is not even a looping build, its a deception build (light footed,quick and quiet, head on, and deception) it works so often because the killer is basically at a 50/50 chance of whether I jumped in a locker or not (light footed makes my running silent so they're not going to hear me keep running/run away from the locker if i used deception) and sometimes (i'd say like 25/30% of the time) they catch me in the locker but that's a lot more fun and hilarious than running around in a circle over and over, then repeating it until they catch me (and even then, looping doesn't ever actually get the killer off of me unless they give up. this build, the killer ALWAYS leaves except for like the 1/4 time that they guess right) I'll never quite understand how people think if something has nothing to do with looping or doing gens, it automatically useless or is unhealthy :/
He stated he feels DBD is more like a COD game than basically a Horror Mario Party. And he’s not alone. It’s why everyone tunes in to the proposed sweaty new meta build DBD content creators put out that erases fun and makes the game PVP oriented and sweaty. As much as people say they hate it on both sides, they keep rewarding the content that makes it keep happening. It’s why Chaos Shuffle and 2v8 is so popular (though they need more killers than 5). It breaks the meta sweatlord game style that happens so frequently.
I'm excited about Hardened because it will go on my stalker build... I play as Jeff and use Object, Alert, Babysitter and Sprint Burst with a vision key so I can watch the killer the whole time and do better loop when mind games are in play... If I keep running into scream builds like pig scream build Hardened is gonna come into play. I will say I think some other perks are way worse for the game than Hardened in terms of balancing and design but we will see if it makes it past the 1% usage rate in a few days here. (I think Weave, Adren and Distortion are unhealthy for the game tbh)
Yes and no, I am not 100% sure but I think you would get the initial aura read when you scream from hardened but the potential 2 second extension from scene partner won’t happen. But either way what good is an aura read if you have to have line of sight to make it happen anyway. Scene partner alone would be superior to scene partner + hardened
How is the legion so bad in the b roll, like, less than 10 hours in DBD bad? Im genuinely confused and it distracts from your commentary, but yeah hardened sucks and im a calm spirit lover
Honored to be in your video! BTW shaman just means running 4 hex perks
im just exited for overzelous boon shadow step hardened dramaturgy
This might just be the best hardened build
@@banthinkng i figured it will be pretty good cause out of my like 40 documented buillds its just an improvement on one of the better ones
Eruption, Surge, Face the Darkness, Friends Forever, Ultimate Weapon, Doctor/Trapper/Hag in certain instances, addons that make you scream, etc… There’s uses for this perk if you have a free slot to slide it in. Not saying it’s the greatest perk or even a good perk, but it’s not useless and shouldn’t be discounted just yet.
You said all that but forgot Infectious Fright which is the best scream perk in the game. I run this perk when I vs flashlight swfs…luckily I don’t think they’ll run hardened.
@@tomfabian1754 sure i guess? but infectious is mostly a slugging perk on killer's like oni, to make the most of your power... and if it was a swf i don't need them screaming to know that they'll be there to try and save, sabo and bodyblock.
Plus, i feel like survivors misunderstand the value of screams. Scourge hook isn't great because you hear them scream across the map (in that regard, at times there can be too many loud noise notifications in the distance lol) before you can even attempt to go there (if it's even smart, because there's no point in fighint for an isolated gen unless it's the last one), but because alongside the 20% regression you can bring dead man's switch and force them to interrupt. That applies to screams in general, their strongest aspect is the fact that it interrupts healing/repairing/cleansing.
not that infectious is bad or anything, it's just that screams on their own aren't that great for locating purposes, or else doctor would be super op lol. even when it comes to doctor, the best part of his screams is stopping people doing gens, not necesarily pin pointing were they are due to a static bubble. it won't warant bringing hardened or calm spirit. and i'm usually glad when i see them, because it could have been distorsion, or a flashbang, or an annoying meme flipflop boil over exponential build, or an actually strong build with stuff like decisive strike, lithe, adrenaline, unbreakable, etc
From playing the ptb, I agree that it's a bit of a waste of time, especially with everyone trying the gen rushing perk. However, I think that the value you can get from pain resonance which is still on of the most used killer perks, as well as some more niche perks, including scene partner. It's definitely not the worst perk, I think that small game is the worst
Pain resonance already shows you where the killer is no matter what you’re running. Because you see that your teammate got hooked.
@@banthinkng He's talking about not screaming while working on a gen hit by pain res, giving away your position to the killer and them come to your gen further delaying gen progress.
@@KuzcoYT but you can already avoid that. it will maybe catch you off guard the first time (by now i almost assume they'll have a scourge hook perk, but i get it if you fall for the scream the first time each match), but if you aren't letting go of your gen for a single second after that, then it's your fault seriously.
I don't see anything with playing immersed or hide and seek. The game is casual, it's meant to be fun, if you're only worried about "do the gens NOW NOW you HAVE to do the gens there's nothing else to do DO THE GEN" it just ruins the game, its unhealthy for the game as a lot of people play casually, its not a competitive game , and if people are choosing to not have do gens and do other things, that MUST mean holding down left click for a whole minute is not fun.
Now ya saying there's "no room for hide and seek gameplay" because it doesn't help the objective, because its unhealthy (for some reason ?) for the game, its not a good playstyle, and then you say the "sneaky" gameplay does have a place, its just when you let being afraid of the killer stop you or push you away from the objective (which is kinda the point with some killers and some perks) so then there IS room for sneaky/immersed/hide and seek gameplay if that's the case. you just think that if someone is bad/not playing the "right" way when it comes to being sneaky, there's no room for it. Looping is apparently the "way the game is right now" , making it seem like there's no changing that, that you HAVE to play that way, but tell me, what's the difference between someone who's being sneaky but scared of the killer so they push away from the gens/objective ( I say objective bcz there's other stuff to do than just gens so that game is kept fun) versus someone who's got a looping build, got the looping playstyle, but they instantly throw down every pallet they see while the killer is chasing them? isn't throwing down every pallet "unhealthy" ? but because they're looping instead of hiding, it's okay?
what is better to say is to not say there's "no room for (insert gameplay here)" in a non competitive game and to say or give examples of how a play style can be used to push the objective (bcz there are defintively ways to do that with an immersive mindset) or just realize that not everyone has fun or is content with just "winning' but have more fun playing the game like its a horror game.
I mean personally, my builds as a killer are all ways to just jump scare or catch people off guard, even if its not getting me 4k a game, its super fun to spook people or get the jump on them versus playing a specific way or only using "Good perks" to get as many 4k's as possible. As a survivor, the build I have the MOST success with is not even a looping build, its a deception build (light footed,quick and quiet, head on, and deception) it works so often because the killer is basically at a 50/50 chance of whether I jumped in a locker or not (light footed makes my running silent so they're not going to hear me keep running/run away from the locker if i used deception) and sometimes (i'd say like 25/30% of the time) they catch me in the locker but that's a lot more fun and hilarious than running around in a circle over and over, then repeating it until they catch me (and even then, looping doesn't ever actually get the killer off of me unless they give up. this build, the killer ALWAYS leaves except for like the 1/4 time that they guess right)
I'll never quite understand how people think if something has nothing to do with looping or doing gens, it automatically useless or is unhealthy :/
He stated he feels DBD is more like a COD game than basically a Horror Mario Party. And he’s not alone. It’s why everyone tunes in to the proposed sweaty new meta build DBD content creators put out that erases fun and makes the game PVP oriented and sweaty. As much as people say they hate it on both sides, they keep rewarding the content that makes it keep happening. It’s why Chaos Shuffle and 2v8 is so popular (though they need more killers than 5). It breaks the meta sweatlord game style that happens so frequently.
I'm excited about Hardened because it will go on my stalker build... I play as Jeff and use Object, Alert, Babysitter and Sprint Burst with a vision key so I can watch the killer the whole time and do better loop when mind games are in play... If I keep running into scream builds like pig scream build Hardened is gonna come into play. I will say I think some other perks are way worse for the game than Hardened in terms of balancing and design but we will see if it makes it past the 1% usage rate in a few days here. (I think Weave, Adren and Distortion are unhealthy for the game tbh)
Would hardened work with scene partner?
Yes and no, I am not 100% sure but I think you would get the initial aura read when you scream from hardened but the potential 2 second extension from scene partner won’t happen. But either way what good is an aura read if you have to have line of sight to make it happen anyway. Scene partner alone would be superior to scene partner + hardened
Yeah the time itll take you to get the perk usable you could have already done a gen....oh im talking about the wrong perk pmao
FYI you can block people on your RUclips.
How is the legion so bad in the b roll, like, less than 10 hours in DBD bad? Im genuinely confused and it distracts from your commentary, but yeah hardened sucks and im a calm spirit lover
It was my friend the background footage is from custom games 😭 she just plays games stoned out her mind
map :3