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I totally understand the point you make about havoc, demon, hunters because it feels like they are always at war with warlocks. Right now, destruction warlock the animations are sick going through your rotation and having basically a mini Mannaroth pop out of a portal and help you blast your target never gets old to me. Meanwhile, the coolest thing demon hunters do is eye beam. The same thing with metamorphosis because the whole point of that is just to refresh your eye beam. I feel like if they made an animation where you stayed into your demon form longer and burned with a brighter immolation aura and had different abilities while in that demonic form that felt more unique, then it would go a long way to making the class feel that much cooler and more fun.
Ret is amazing. Upfront burst damage on a very low CD. Easy to play the core rotation with room to get better with the little things. And tons of utility that is a lot more difficult to use than their core rotation. It becomes a lot easier to see good from mediocre rets when looking at their utility use.
One thing that makes arcane really fun is that you have to aim the arcane orb. Sure you will miss some, but the spell effect is pretty big, and you get a lot of procs. Not many specs have a mechanic like that. It feels really satisfying in corridors to.
I like the orb/barrage spam build. Have been using it since DF. Although it was not really known/popular back then and a bit less fleshed out, since your set bonus played a huge role for it to be a thing if i remember correctly. Always hoping for the longest chain of orb/barrages 😁
@@NotClosedMinded Yeah we have that 5% orb from set bonus now aswell. My first time playing arcane. I like the splinters from hero talents to, even if it is just passives, it is quite flashy.
Survival is a lot of fun. I highly recommend it. Ever since the new iteration of survival became a thing back in Legion to me it almost feels like a new class. I just think a lot of people never give it a try because they want Hunter for the Ranger style class fantasy.
I think people don't try it because the type of people who like melee classes don't pick Hunter. I'm a melee main, and I've never bothered with it. I might have to give it a shot, though.
@ yeah you should it feels so satisfying and remarkably aggressive as you literally can just harpoon to each enemy, viciously slash them with your 2h sword, axe, or spear, while throwing bombs in their face while your pet mauls them. On that note I highly recommend the talent that resets harpoon when each enemy dies.
I don't get it! Blizzard has Sarkareth's transformation in their assets, just give that as an option for Dracthyr! From anorexic lizard to chad dragon as easy as that.
i have always loved arms warrior but at this point im just waiting for blizzard to give it a complete overhaul like they did to outlaw, survival and demo lock in legion.
I really agree with you on most of these! What addon is scrolling the abilities to use? I use Hekili, but it displays differently. Another addon question what displays the green circle on your cursor? I've lost my mouse more than once and would love to try that one out. Love the content, keep up the good work. I bailed on my Druid this season in favor of a monk and have really enjoyed all 3 specs on the monk where druid just feels Meh a bit. You got me wanting to try out the Shaman again. I used to play it back when they could use 2hd weapons! ;)
Trickster outlaw is actually a lot of fun. Coup du grace still needs somework, but I like playing with killing spree. Frost fire mage is a lot of fun with the cool procs. Spellslinger arcane us a ton of fun, lots of mass arcane missile barrages, mage echo is powerful abd radiates damage out. Ret paladin is great when you drop that massive hammer.
Ive restarted playing boomy, as its my alltime most played spec, but I stopped after the Legion rework as I didn't like the playstyle of "rage dumping" ressources VS the bar we had in WoD. Its honestly nice right now, you dont get the buffs from using Starsurge anymore so you don't get punished for using Starfall too much. It kinda sucks you need to be in bear so much in high keys, but switching back to boomy by simply pressing Wrath or Starfire makes it nice.
my main is a warrior, but my alt is now boomkin. my ilvl with my boomy is 612, whereas my warrior is 626 and my boomkin is doing so much more damage than my warrior
As a shadow priest main i feel like archon shouldve been more the mix of holy and shadow maybe make us hold the balance between insanity and the light maybe make us manage a new dot thats like a holy dot doing holy damage or something like that
Can you do a video of the easiest specs to play at a near perfect rotation? I’ve always played the same class and I want to try other classes but when I tried enhancement it was so complicated that I couldn’t enjoy the dungeon/raid because of all the things that have to be tracked. Thanks 🙌🙌
I think they may have already done a video like that, but off the top of my head ret, fury, and bm hunter are the easiest. If you want to include casters then maybe you can throw destro lock and ele sham into the mix.
They also mentioned in a previous video that the storm build for enhancement is easier to play and unless you're pushing higher end content then it should suffice.
@@varsandeWhat do you mean "should suffice" lmao? Stormbringer beats up and takes Totemic's lunch money in M+ (including the highest keys in the world) and is either on level or better than it in most raid fights (only losing to it on like Rashanan and Ansurek). I agree though, Enhance (especially Stormbringer) really isn't that difficult. Most of the time you just spread a DoT, build with a builder that has omega prio over any other builder (Stormstrike) and then spend, depending on whether it's ST or AoE (or spend on Tempest in either if that is up). Very standard build/spend gameplay.
It helps to understand that in the Dracthyr version of Black magic that it’s a “strength in numbers” kind of defense idea, not a “scale of dragon make me tank” kind of fantasy. 😂
Sentinel as a heroic talent should never have existed. We must have had a heroic talent tree about bombs, gadgets, war technology, which is what was part of the identity of both Survival and Marcsmanship.
Yes, sentinel is pretty much strictly elf fantasy, not something for goblins, orcs, dwarves, trolls etc... I am sure some people really like their owl pooping white poop on enemies doing dmg with it, but I would instead prefer it be that parrot from Freehold pooping real poop, because it's at least funny. Glyphs or unlockable skins by doing some achiev would fix it, but hero talents are a huge failure thematically. I wish they delete them in the future.
I very thoroughly love Demon Hunter but I've been looking at night elf animations for years. I'm really trying to get either Illidari as a race open to monk or, dare I say, paladin. (Rejection of the Gift from Xe'ra Tattoos). I'll also take Void Elf Illidari, bonus points if Illidan comes back and gives us void hunters as another class for demon hunters.
624 Unholy DK main (and blood) but I would highly recommend trying it out. It’s imo the most well rounded melee for m+ and raid. Has a variety of viable builds for more or less cooldown usage, amazing mobility and magic damage mitigation with Rider’s automated AMS procs.
@@Klade1883 You obviously havent played Unholy with Riders if you think they arent mobile. As an Unholy main this season, I am fast asf most of the time.
Personally i main warrior(currently fury), but after i tried my alt unholy dk, my fury warrior's gameplay feels repetitive and lacking, though unholy's gameplay is way more harder to maintain without mistake.
im pretty sad that a lot of abilities for elemental doesnt feel rewarding to press and how slow it is to get tempest compared to enhance. i had to swap over to Enhance again after they changed how ele feels like rn. Enhance is just such a fun and well designed spec and the rotation is not repetitive and feels different a lot of the time depending on proc and all that
Ele was basically Lightning Bolt spam before the recent changes, it was boring as fuck. End of DF Ele was fine, don't understand how people like TWW's first patch version of Ele. It was terrible.
it doesn't show rotation. It just shows, what süells he used. I believe its part of Details. Otherwise you dan search for "streamer...something", there is multiple addons that do that.
If you look at history: the fewer buttons but still high damage numbers. Is the most fun. So while i type this I havent seen the video yet but I expect ret to be most fun or the second most fun.
Ret pally just needs like ONE more thing to give it JUST A BIT more complexity. It's funny, they went from too complicated in shadowlands and first half of DF to WAY to dumbed down.
I feel like im the only person on this planet who doesnt think ret is easy.. Sure you dont have much buffs to track etc but srsly i think there are so many specs equally easy if not more... Arcane is easier #changemymind
The problem with Ret is passive HoPo generation. Crusader Strikes sucks out loud, Ret should always have a button to press, if played correctly, and it should *require* you to manage your short CD generators to reach the skill ceiling. Late Legion was peak Ret (for PvE).
@@usf22raptr1 thats what i thought tho... Skill ceiling is high, especially if playing with crusader strikes and it sucks, the feeling of "hey i have to press sooo many buttons" followed by "i can't press anything" is soo bad, it just feels totally weird to be dependend on auto hits
before that i think -- now u need build it up and up and more and when the building crash the fight is over -- u may win but its no fun -- i wanna kill enemies -- not build a building
Considering druid has so many specs, they could just remove balance from druid, tweak it and make it a whole new class, like i dunno, celestial something something, with some other talent trees. I mean its not like they never completely changed specs before..... like survival hunter.
Honestly the dracthyr as a race are forced too, not just the specs, all the “you can look how you want to” then not give you the option to have armor on xd
Havoc DH is hit and miss for me. They're really cool but i dont think the rotation is as fun for me compared to frost dk or fury war (imo). I do like how their tier set bonus in TWW gives their blade dance a 20% chance to have its cooldown reset, i like being able to use this move multiple times in short succession, i feel like this should be baked into havoc originally. Using vengeful retreat into metamorphosis is also really cool, i just wish i could use it more often like the infernal strike ability on Vengeance DH. In my ideal world, have metamorphosis last only 10 secs but have 2 charges and a 1 minute cooldown, and then auto attacks have a 15% chance to reset cooldown of blade dance (or something like that). Being able to retreat and then leap into the air and crash down into demon form more consistently. im not a hardcore wow player but imo havoc doesnt have as much flair when it comes to its rotation compared to other melee specs. i havent focused into fel rush so i might be missing some things but that side of DH doesnt appeal to me.
Agree in particular about affliction. Malefic Rapture is horrendous. It was a cool idea, but forcing us to use it in AoE and Single Target is so lame imo. Makes the whole thing feel lack luster.
Still main Arms even though i dont find it as fun anymore. Would much rather have it reverted to Legion Arms (Not Launch buut mid expac rework) Had more idenitity than it does now.
Not only are the dractyr TEMU Tier dragons, Somehow we cant even use X-mogs on the ugly little fuckers! I mean, we can have the same item on a gnome and a tauren no prob, but Some lizard? noooo
Windwalker is suffering from a couple of bugs that are capping their damage, much like DH early on. Literally every melee spec has gotten so much love except for WW, when are they gonna have their chance? SUch a fun spec in dungeons otherwise
6:00 Balance, I know I'm late, and I'm not the biggest Balance expert, but I feel insulted to hear that Havoc has more options XD it only have 1 viable hero talent XD
i really dont vibe with this list because i somehow really dont like playing the ranged caster specs that need you to stay put while casting and have low mobility. The whole leveling process is so unfun with this kind of gameplay imo. Maybe dungeons and raids are fun but i would never reach that since i wont get a shaman mage or warlock to 80. I m a DH main (tank) and if i play Havoc i really like it. It's complex enough to always give you room to improve, does tons of dmg to group pulls, has insane mobility what makes it explosive, fast paced and fun to play. But in the end it is very good that different people can enjoy different things which gives every spec a right to exist. Besides brewmaster. That thing is dead lmao.
They really dropped the ball for the Evoker class. I'd have loved to play a Black Dragon tank, a Blue Dragon Ranged DPS and most importantly; a Red Dragon Healer. Alexstraza is known as the "Life Binder", I would have loved to be healing my party/raid with fire spells!! We already have an Eath Healer in Druid, as Water Healer in Shaman and a Wind Healer in Monk. LET ME HEAL WITH FLAMES!!!
@@MarcelianOnline Hey I was not disappointed. Affliction is fun and would be even better if we could move away from "combo point" build with burst spam with malefic rapture. So, we are heading for the top baby!
Dk take is so wrong dks have one of the most deff cds in the whole game ams,amz,lichknight,icebound fortitute and if u dont have these cds anymore u can just deathstrike to not die
Bruh as someone who startet frost in df, frost is so damn lame now... In df everything was scaled around GS this big fat icicle you just hammer inside your enemy, it was basically a better chaos bolt but now they just dont know what to do with this spec... The whoel death chill ramp is sooooooo boring
@@steffren ive played since shadowlands the boring fof/brainfreeze/icelance cycle and the addition of GS in DF was a godsend as we had now something to built to instead of the lame shattered icelance thing since atleast wotlk
If it is too simple and if it has fixed rotation and little or zero proc to pop up, it can be too repetitive and no challenge to overcome, which easily leads the class to be boring
In BFA I switched from rogue to destro warlock. First time doing ranged dps, it was fun as hell. I loved using cataclysm, chaos bolt, and summoning my infernal to completely destroy everything. It was awesome
We really gonna just pretend that ret's simple gameplay isn't the actual pinnacle of fun design? The spec is engineered to generate as much dopamine as possible with low skill floor big damage and plenty of paladin utility buttons to that keep your head on a swivel to use at the right time. Oh you just executed your 20 step combo burst opener to do your big boy damage? That's cool, so anyway I just saved your life with lay on hands because you ate a mechanic to the face while doing that. I love watching people's panicked movements stop when their hp bar shoots back up after a big heal. What I'm really trying to say is your opinion is different and that means it's wrong >:(
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I totally understand the point you make about havoc, demon, hunters because it feels like they are always at war with warlocks. Right now, destruction warlock the animations are sick going through your rotation and having basically a mini Mannaroth pop out of a portal and help you blast your target never gets old to me. Meanwhile, the coolest thing demon hunters do is eye beam. The same thing with metamorphosis because the whole point of that is just to refresh your eye beam. I feel like if they made an animation where you stayed into your demon form longer and burned with a brighter immolation aura and had different abilities while in that demonic form that felt more unique, then it would go a long way to making the class feel that much cooler and more fun.
Ret is amazing. Upfront burst damage on a very low CD. Easy to play the core rotation with room to get better with the little things. And tons of utility that is a lot more difficult to use than their core rotation. It becomes a lot easier to see good from mediocre rets when looking at their utility use.
One thing that makes arcane really fun is that you have to aim the arcane orb. Sure you will miss some, but the spell effect is pretty big, and you get a lot of procs. Not many specs have a mechanic like that.
It feels really satisfying in corridors to.
I like the orb/barrage spam build. Have been using it since DF. Although it was not really known/popular back then and a bit less fleshed out, since your set bonus played a huge role for it to be a thing if i remember correctly. Always hoping for the longest chain of orb/barrages 😁
@@NotClosedMinded Yeah we have that 5% orb from set bonus now aswell.
My first time playing arcane. I like the splinters from hero talents to, even if it is just passives, it is quite flashy.
Yeah I really love when mages ninja pull with orbs
@@ZeroPints yeaaah... it has happened
@@ZeroPints That has only happened to me like twice since DF up to now.
Been waiting for this tier list! Thank you!
Hope you enjoy it!
@@MarcelianOnlinethanks ! What is the addon that shows You the Rotation at the bottom?
what are the damage numbers on the frost mage section?
I have got to say Demonology Warlock is my favorite DPS right now. I think its super fun!
glad to see someone so absolutely hype about mage. God, what a fun fucking class.
Discount, discount temu dragon...yes, that perfectly sums up how I feel about Dracthyr
Survival is a lot of fun. I highly recommend it. Ever since the new iteration of survival became a thing back in Legion to me it almost feels like a new class.
I just think a lot of people never give it a try because they want Hunter for the Ranger style class fantasy.
I think people don't try it because the type of people who like melee classes don't pick Hunter. I'm a melee main, and I've never bothered with it. I might have to give it a shot, though.
@ yeah you should it feels so satisfying and remarkably aggressive as you literally can just harpoon to each enemy, viciously slash them with your 2h sword, axe, or spear, while throwing bombs in their face while your pet mauls them. On that note I highly recommend the talent that resets harpoon when each enemy dies.
aye, never tried melee hunter. will give a shot coz of u mate
@ Good deal! I think you’ll enjoy it.
I don't get it! Blizzard has Sarkareth's transformation in their assets, just give that as an option for Dracthyr! From anorexic lizard to chad dragon as easy as that.
IDK what this means but am curious. But the term "chad dragon" is probably a red flag
@ just google Sarkareth’s void form. It uses the same skeleton as the Dracthyr model. It’s just a cooler dracthyr.
@@johnboyd9713he transforms into a abomination of himself with void corruption during his boss fight in the raid
@@tellusrs7773 Ah I missed on all dragonflight
i have always loved arms warrior but at this point im just waiting for blizzard to give it a complete overhaul like they did to outlaw, survival and demo lock in legion.
Completely agree on Arms, I enjoyed it so much in DF, I hope they get it back on track
Love the fun tierlist videos
I really agree with you on most of these! What addon is scrolling the abilities to use? I use Hekili, but it displays differently. Another addon question what displays the green circle on your cursor? I've lost my mouse more than once and would love to try that one out. Love the content, keep up the good work. I bailed on my Druid this season in favor of a monk and have really enjoyed all 3 specs on the monk where druid just feels Meh a bit. You got me wanting to try out the Shaman again. I used to play it back when they could use 2hd weapons! ;)
The cursor is a weak aura, probably ultimate mouse cursor
Not sure about the abilities
Trickster outlaw is actually a lot of fun. Coup du grace still needs somework, but I like playing with killing spree. Frost fire mage is a lot of fun with the cool procs. Spellslinger arcane us a ton of fun, lots of mass arcane missile barrages, mage echo is powerful abd radiates damage out. Ret paladin is great when you drop that massive hammer.
Ive restarted playing boomy, as its my alltime most played spec, but I stopped after the Legion rework as I didn't like the playstyle of "rage dumping" ressources VS the bar we had in WoD.
Its honestly nice right now, you dont get the buffs from using Starsurge anymore so you don't get punished for using Starfall too much. It kinda sucks you need to be in bear so much in high keys, but switching back to boomy by simply pressing Wrath or Starfire makes it nice.
my main is a warrior, but my alt is now boomkin. my ilvl with my boomy is 612, whereas my warrior is 626 and my boomkin is doing so much more damage than my warrior
I think you meant Farseer is underperforming for Ele not Stormbringer. All 3 Shaman specs are absolutely amazing which has never happened before.
Just a tad bloated still, but definetly fun!
As a shadow priest main i feel like archon shouldve been more the mix of holy and shadow maybe make us hold the balance between insanity and the light maybe make us manage a new dot thats like a holy dot doing holy damage or something like that
I very much love Arms with the big executes from slayer or the colossus smash from colossus :D
Can you do a video of the easiest specs to play at a near perfect rotation? I’ve always played the same class and I want to try other classes but when I tried enhancement it was so complicated that I couldn’t enjoy the dungeon/raid because of all the things that have to be tracked. Thanks 🙌🙌
I think they may have already done a video like that, but off the top of my head ret, fury, and bm hunter are the easiest. If you want to include casters then maybe you can throw destro lock and ele sham into the mix.
They also mentioned in a previous video that the storm build for enhancement is easier to play and unless you're pushing higher end content then it should suffice.
@@varsandeWhat do you mean "should suffice" lmao? Stormbringer beats up and takes Totemic's lunch money in M+ (including the highest keys in the world) and is either on level or better than it in most raid fights (only losing to it on like Rashanan and Ansurek).
I agree though, Enhance (especially Stormbringer) really isn't that difficult. Most of the time you just spread a DoT, build with a builder that has omega prio over any other builder (Stormstrike) and then spend, depending on whether it's ST or AoE (or spend on Tempest in either if that is up). Very standard build/spend gameplay.
@ should suffice for non Chad's like you. I'm sorry you don't understand the 80/20 rule. You do you son!
@ thanks for the essay. You proved my point.
It helps to understand that in the Dracthyr version of Black magic that it’s a “strength in numbers” kind of defense idea, not a “scale of dragon make me tank” kind of fantasy. 😂
Ok I have to know what UI are you using? It looks incredible!!!
My favorite class has been mage 3 spec besides damage and shaman ele or enhanc I love the storm sounds of thunders etc
Sentinel as a heroic talent should never have existed. We must have had a heroic talent tree about bombs, gadgets, war technology, which is what was part of the identity of both Survival and Marcsmanship.
100% right my friend
Yes, sentinel is pretty much strictly elf fantasy, not something for goblins, orcs, dwarves, trolls etc... I am sure some people really like their owl pooping white poop on enemies doing dmg with it, but I would instead prefer it be that parrot from Freehold pooping real poop, because it's at least funny.
Glyphs or unlockable skins by doing some achiev would fix it, but hero talents are a huge failure thematically. I wish they delete them in the future.
I very thoroughly love Demon Hunter but I've been looking at night elf animations for years. I'm really trying to get either Illidari as a race open to monk or, dare I say, paladin. (Rejection of the Gift from Xe'ra Tattoos). I'll also take Void Elf Illidari, bonus points if Illidan comes back and gives us void hunters as another class for demon hunters.
Survival is extremely fun, has REALLY good Single target IMO, and very decent AOE. Down side is no flashy spells but thats ok
And they are nerfed lol
@ i could only imagine, i was sustaining 1.4m in st at 610 iLvl. And 2.5-3.5 in Aoe
A couple days ago: omg shadow priest is in the top 3 ranged dps in terms of fun. It's really really cool
624 Unholy DK main (and blood) but I would highly recommend trying it out.
It’s imo the most well rounded melee for m+ and raid. Has a variety of viable builds for more or less cooldown usage, amazing mobility and magic damage mitigation with Rider’s automated AMS procs.
Dks don’t have amazing mobility period.
@ I said Unholy, and yeah they definitely do.
@@Klade1883 You obviously havent played Unholy with Riders if you think they arent mobile. As an Unholy main this season, I am fast asf most of the time.
Personally i main warrior(currently fury), but after i tried my alt unholy dk, my fury warrior's gameplay feels repetitive and lacking, though unholy's gameplay is way more harder to maintain without mistake.
You put bm and even ret above shadow destroy?
What scrolling combat text you using??
im pretty sad that a lot of abilities for elemental doesnt feel rewarding to press and how slow it is to get tempest compared to enhance. i had to swap over to Enhance again after they changed how ele feels like rn. Enhance is just such a fun and well designed spec and the rotation is not repetitive and feels different a lot of the time depending on proc and all that
Ele was basically Lightning Bolt spam before the recent changes, it was boring as fuck. End of DF Ele was fine, don't understand how people like TWW's first patch version of Ele. It was terrible.
Hey I like assassination !!! Is there room to make the rotation feel more smooth and fun …. Yes for sure but I like it still
What is the name of your dps mater?
How does your wow look so clean and crisp all the time
Mine looks better on a handheld
@@czarusia5437 i would assume so being smaller screen and pixel density
What is the addon that Shows You the Rotation at the bottom?
it doesn't show rotation. It just shows, what süells he used. I believe its part of Details. Otherwise you dan search for "streamer...something", there is multiple addons that do that.
where is that ret pally WA from? love the video!
MM was so much fun before the Dark Ranger rework, but I agree it should've done more for it
Unholy all day! Breath of Sindragosa is often just frustrating in pugs unless it's a 1min CD one day
This! Take out some Dmg and reduce cd and this will be a lot of fun!
Deva evoker could be even in Z tier, gameplay is awesome
I agree and honestly I really like the animations
If you look at history: the fewer buttons but still high damage numbers.
Is the most fun. So while i type this I havent seen the video yet but I expect ret to be most fun or the second most fun.
Fury WAS fun. Feels like a shell of what it was the first month.
Ret pally just needs like ONE more thing to give it JUST A BIT more complexity. It's funny, they went from too complicated in shadowlands and first half of DF to WAY to dumbed down.
They need to add something to track. Some flavor to the spec other than dmg.
I feel like im the only person on this planet who doesnt think ret is easy.. Sure you dont have much buffs to track etc but srsly i think there are so many specs equally easy if not more... Arcane is easier #changemymind
@@ml14056Ret is "easy" to be "good" at (low skill floor), but hard to be "great" at (high skill ceiling).
The problem with Ret is passive HoPo generation. Crusader Strikes sucks out loud, Ret should always have a button to press, if played correctly, and it should *require* you to manage your short CD generators to reach the skill ceiling.
Late Legion was peak Ret (for PvE).
@@usf22raptr1 thats what i thought tho... Skill ceiling is high, especially if playing with crusader strikes and it sucks, the feeling of "hey i have to press sooo many buttons" followed by "i can't press anything" is soo bad, it just feels totally weird to be dependend on auto hits
Bm would be great if each pet had a special race ability to use just to give pets a variety to give them value.
Idk how you dont love the MASSIVE mortal strikes, cleaves, and demolishes from arms warrior.
No spec hits more 7 digit numbers than arms
I love the playstyle of feral but when I scroll down to the bottom of the dps meter and see my name....It makes me want to switch.
Can they just revert shadow priest back to the Legion version? 😩
before that i think -- now u need build it up and up and more and when the building crash the fight is over -- u may win but its no fun -- i wanna kill enemies -- not build a building
Considering druid has so many specs, they could just remove balance from druid, tweak it and make it a whole new class, like i dunno, celestial something something, with some other talent trees. I mean its not like they never completely changed specs before..... like survival hunter.
IM THOROUGHLY enjoying survival.
Heeeeeyyyyy, me too :P
Same bro
It's so much fun
It's always been fun... But I can't help imagine how much more fun if it used a range weapon instead. Gun + Bombs is the dream!
@@zebwiz1900 nah just bombs and more bombs, survival is just copium for me till tinker comes out, if it ever does.
Honestly the dracthyr as a race are forced too, not just the specs, all the “you can look how you want to” then not give you the option to have armor on xd
Havoc DH is hit and miss for me. They're really cool but i dont think the rotation is as fun for me compared to frost dk or fury war (imo). I do like how their tier set bonus in TWW gives their blade dance a 20% chance to have its cooldown reset, i like being able to use this move multiple times in short succession, i feel like this should be baked into havoc originally. Using vengeful retreat into metamorphosis is also really cool, i just wish i could use it more often like the infernal strike ability on Vengeance DH. In my ideal world, have metamorphosis last only 10 secs but have 2 charges and a 1 minute cooldown, and then auto attacks have a 15% chance to reset cooldown of blade dance (or something like that). Being able to retreat and then leap into the air and crash down into demon form more consistently. im not a hardcore wow player but imo havoc doesnt have as much flair when it comes to its rotation compared to other melee specs. i havent focused into fel rush so i might be missing some things but that side of DH doesnt appeal to me.
I would love Balance if they would only bring back the old Legion empowerments as a choice node vs eclipse.
Legion enhancement was best spec ever, bring it back!!!!
Arms main here didn't know we had problems lol
I feel like balance and marksman are the specs that are most needing reworks now along with maybe sub rogue
I’ll add in also outlaw
Arms warrior.
@ yea I agree on that one too
Agree in particular about affliction. Malefic Rapture is horrendous. It was a cool idea, but forcing us to use it in AoE and Single Target is so lame imo. Makes the whole thing feel lack luster.
Still main Arms even though i dont find it as fun anymore. Would much rather have it reverted to Legion Arms (Not Launch buut mid expac rework) Had more idenitity than it does now.
Not only are the dractyr TEMU Tier dragons, Somehow we cant even use X-mogs on the ugly little fuckers! I mean, we can have the same item on a gnome and a tauren no prob, but Some lizard? noooo
Windwalker is suffering from a couple of bugs that are capping their damage, much like DH early on. Literally every melee spec has gotten so much love except for WW, when are they gonna have their chance? SUch a fun spec in dungeons otherwise
6:00 Balance, I know I'm late, and I'm not the biggest Balance expert, but I feel insulted to hear that Havoc has more options XD it only have 1 viable hero talent XD
Arcane is good but I think there are still to many procs you need to wait for and if they don't proc you are hurting
enhancement is fun but when i see a ret pala doing more dps than me pressing 3 buttons its not fun anymore
Hidden opportunity is way more fun than KIR Also if u don’t have 20% haste kir feels awful (Outlaw)
Also don't need killing spree or blade rush, infact I don't even think that either are in meta talent builds
Breath of Sindragosa -> halp! :D
This is it!
Yesir!
i really dont vibe with this list because i somehow really dont like playing the ranged caster specs that need you to stay put while casting and have low mobility.
The whole leveling process is so unfun with this kind of gameplay imo. Maybe dungeons and raids are fun but i would never reach that since i wont get a shaman mage or warlock to 80.
I m a DH main (tank) and if i play Havoc i really like it. It's complex enough to always give you room to improve, does tons of dmg to group pulls, has insane mobility what makes it explosive, fast paced and fun to play.
But in the end it is very good that different people can enjoy different things which gives every spec a right to exist.
Besides brewmaster.
That thing is dead lmao.
thanks !
You're welcome!
Havoc is sad case but I find ret very fun to play as my main
Least unhinged anti-dracthyr slander
side-note i agree it was totally forced into the game when they made black dragons the experimenters and in Blackwing lair totally not cool blizzard
nice tierlist cuh
They really dropped the ball for the Evoker class. I'd have loved to play a Black Dragon tank, a Blue Dragon Ranged DPS and most importantly; a Red Dragon Healer. Alexstraza is known as the "Life Binder", I would have loved to be healing my party/raid with fire spells!! We already have an Eath Healer in Druid, as Water Healer in Shaman and a Wind Healer in Monk. LET ME HEAL WITH FLAMES!!!
I comment now before watching, affliction will be top
You are as close as a far away object!
Ret all day every day
@@MarcelianOnline Hey I was not disappointed. Affliction is fun and would be even better if we could move away from "combo point" build with burst spam with malefic rapture.
So, we are heading for the top baby!
SURVIVAL HUNTER is The BEST spec for sure ❤
Dk take is so wrong dks have one of the most deff cds in the whole game ams,amz,lichknight,icebound fortitute and if u dont have these cds anymore u can just deathstrike to not die
Rework MM to be Bard, I will die on the hill of wanting bard in WoW till the day i hang up my mmo boots
Arcane Mage was so boring and underwhelming I switched to Frost halfway through the patch. More damage, more enjoyable, and WAY more effective in M+.
Bruh as someone who startet frost in df, frost is so damn lame now... In df everything was scaled around GS this big fat icicle you just hammer inside your enemy, it was basically a better chaos bolt but now they just dont know what to do with this spec... The whoel death chill ramp is sooooooo boring
@ml14056 I really don't like the GS build I'll be honest, very boring
@@steffren ive played since shadowlands the boring fof/brainfreeze/icelance cycle and the addition of GS in DF was a godsend as we had now something to built to instead of the lame shattered icelance thing since atleast wotlk
Ww,surv,feral my top 3
Aren’t suppose the classes to be simple so everyone can play them? How being simple take the fun away?
If it is too simple and if it has fixed rotation and little or zero proc to pop up, it can be too repetitive and no challenge to overcome, which easily leads the class to be boring
For me, it’s all specs of mage 🧙🏻♂️
frost dk died with breath :'(
Voidweaver is awesome.
Sure fury is fun, all the way up until you get to a single target raid boss and do less damage than an Augmentation Evoker, which is a support class..
BM fun ?
its weird how you time these videoes, ever tier im googling this topic you seem to have a video of your opinion on this topic every single time.
Unholy is SO fun
The feral druids name lmao
augmentation isn't black it's bronze.
Now make most unfun dps spec tier list
Just read the list upside down. Make the bottom list the top of the list
This has to be a troll haha
This things are so subjective. I also think we have like opposite taste. i LOVE demon. And I am HATING unholy+Enh
Ele is so monotonous… how?
It's satisfying!
no clue from rog
I'm starting to feel bad that nobody likes the warlock.
In BFA I switched from rogue to destro warlock. First time doing ranged dps, it was fun as hell. I loved using cataclysm, chaos bolt, and summoning my infernal to completely destroy everything. It was awesome
We really gonna just pretend that ret's simple gameplay isn't the actual pinnacle of fun design? The spec is engineered to generate as much dopamine as possible with low skill floor big damage and plenty of paladin utility buttons to that keep your head on a swivel to use at the right time. Oh you just executed your 20 step combo burst opener to do your big boy damage? That's cool, so anyway I just saved your life with lay on hands because you ate a mechanic to the face while doing that. I love watching people's panicked movements stop when their hp bar shoots back up after a big heal. What I'm really trying to say is your opinion is different and that means it's wrong >:(
"20 step combo burst opener" is a good meme.
balance still trash after I returned months from release....
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Sub is so much harder then Assasination and yet it deals less single target waaaaaaaaaaaaay less aoe, sad. It is more fun tho.
Frost dk gotta be one of the most boring classes I've seen in all the expansion if u wanna play meta just go shamy more dps better rotation
I play bm for pvp..Surv for key pushes and raids..DR mm for fun..that’s how fkin useless DR mm is.
mains a mage
"i'm not a mage player"
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