The real reason why electric cars are so fast | Know It All with Jason Cammisa | Ep. 01
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- Опубликовано: 17 май 2024
- EVs are the quickest cars on the road, and it's not just in drag races. They're especially fast in the real world, and it's because of how they respond.
It's not actually the instant torque of the motors that provides the advantage, it's the lack of multiple gears in their transmissions and the shape of an electric motor's power curve.
Automotive journalist Jason Cammisa explains the science behind why even non-performance EVs can beat the quickest cars through traffic.
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Can the Cammisa launch control be a ringtone?
No one would ever call you again... :)
@@JasonCammisa perfect 🤣
You sure will launch yourself out of bed in the morning.
@@rgeorgek42 分分给 嗯g
I definitely need that !
Dude, Jason's car sounds always amaze me
That red light revving was a gem
😂
Clearly he is very use to "Launch control".
He once did a great sound of a diesel engine on The Smoking Tire. Wish I could find it because it was amazing
Really sounds like he has done just what he sounds like. :P
doesn't matter, I can hear that sound. Yet I have not seen the video.
Once again he's always spot on with the engine impressions
Except electric motors have a high RPM limit too, where centrifugal forces tear them to flying pieces...
@@mbardos not anymore plaid motors can rev up to 20000 rpm
@@clevernduruza8624 a jet engine can spin at up to 500,000 rpm, what's your point?
Above a certain speed an electric motor will rip itself apart, that's fact. It's just that the rpm is so high that it doesn't matter.
@@Biriadan at this point I already forgot if I replied to the right comment.. because I'm very sure this response was to a person who said electric cars are slow at high speed.
This is the perfect car guy imo. The way he speaks and explains is just epic.
You missed a big part of the design of electric cars. Modern electric cars use 3 phase AC induction motors and the sophisticated control module takes the DC power of the battery bank and turns it into a variable 3 phase AC output. Induction motors create their maximum torque at rest. For us nerdy engineers we call this torque locked rotor. It’s just a way of saying the motor will produce it’s greatest torque when being hit with full line voltage from rest. We have ways to “soft start” motors in industrial applications with variable frequency drives and soft start controllers. Most industrial motors are “line start” which is just whacking them will full voltage. In a car this would either grenade the drivetrain or vaporize the tires. These design characteristics of electric motors tamed to manageable levels by the controllers gives electric cars their brutal acceleration.
Actually, pretty much every manufacturer has moved to Permeant Magnet Synchronous Reluctance Motors. But yes you're absolutely right, EVs get that max torque near instantly at 0 and software has to reign it in to ramp up. Pretty much every modern EV spins the tires at a full launch now.
@@KeeperOfTheSevenKeys. but does the future of performance cars look good? Not really.
@@ryze9153 are you kidding? Electric is pretty much destroying ICE cars here in performance. A lot of the ICE supercars now are hybrids too because a conventional drive train just cannot beat an electric motor.
@@KeeperOfTheSevenKeys. no im not, because who cares
@@ryze9153 you do apparently because you cared enough to find a comment section to complain in.
Omg I did a spit take when you left that revving in for the entire intro, need to go wipe down my laptop to watch the rest of video now. XD
Love to see Cammisa on Hagerty. Wish he had taken hyphen with him.
That would have been interesting
@Allen S who?
@@evano8312 I think he is referring to hyphen... but I think he ('hyphen') is alright. If Jason gets along with someone, then it's a good episode. If he doesn't get along with someone, then it's a better episode.
@@BlueRidgePhantom I like hyphen he isn’t annoying at all to me
@@evano8312 I agree with you. I've been watching ISSIMI episodes that hyphen did alone... and they are pretty good.
Im a simple man. I see a camisa i like comment and subscribe so that carmudgeon can keep making videos.
I just discovered this channel and I'm quickly going to consume all that's here. I hope you guys can keep churning out this amazing content. Jason is a fantastic presenter.
please produce more know it all episodes. most of these contents i already have the required information but jason makes it so interesting i still watch them
I'll be sold if a fast electric car is also light-weight (
The Lotus Evija weighs 3700 lbs but costs 2 million dollars.
Not possible if you want even halfway decent range. Batteries are no where near gasoline for energy density.
The rocket equation applies to EVs. Reduce your range requirement and luxury weight and you'll need less battery which then means less weight so you'll need less juice.
@@EmyrDerfel reverse rocket equation. I like it.
*Stripped out Tesla-Kart-Miata les goooooo*
There's gonna be an EV miata sooner than we know
Finally some journalism with some natural and funny touches. Beautiful editing work turning it all together into something special. This thing is going to grow, mark my words. Congratulations.
Yep I’m going to like this series lol
I’m in love with the engine noises you make at the start
I'm so happy you are back. Love this format. Any other series you are starting besides this and Icons?
Please convince Jason to publish his personal car spreadsheet.
I'd wind up in a felony hearing in front of the UN because of the language in there...
Jason, yeah I heard you voice a similar concern on The Smoking Tire podcast, but I just cannot help but feel that the spreadsheet has a wealth of expert knowledge that would be invaluable for car enthusiasts for decades to come, especially as full, journalistic reviews of older performance cars become buried by the endless stream of new content on the internet.
I agree with Matt on this one, if you decided to sell it, you would make a very pretty penny that would make the editing well worth your time. Maybe your boss will see this comment and give you a little push. Thanks for your reply!
Peak power on ICE is mainly influenced by cam and can be anywhere in the rev range. RV/Truck cams put power down low, my Thunderbird SC peaks at 4200RPM but can rev to 6000RPM.
Electric motors do have max RPM dictated by windings, voltage, and Hz, and they can still blow themselves apart. Centripetal force affects all rotating bodies no matter power source.
Not the cam. Valve springs are more susceptible to float. Along with valve and piston construction Harmonics plays a bigger role also. Cam is hardly the issue as it has very low reciprocating mass.
This video is the perfect follow-up to the Automatic versus Manual transmission comparison video for acceleration. Electric vehicles now make that argument a moot point. And, by the way, those blistering acceleration numbers are achieved with less gear ratios than either transmission, even the Porsche! Save the manuals! Keep up the great work Jason!
The taycan would fit perfectly in the 0-60 video because the "1st' gear In the 2 gear transmission is basically just a launch gear!
It only engages the 1st gear in launch mode to get a better 0-60. Under normal driving youre only ever in "2nd", the driving gear.
Absolutely banger of a new series congrats Jason!
That thumbnail had me doing a double take and then laughing.... I need to spend less time in incognito mode ;)
Cammisa, you are fantastic at presenting these videos. Glad to see you back and passionate about what you do. Congrats!
Oh, how I missed Jason's ramblings. Great video!!
Wonderful insights by Jason. Thank you . I found the show very interesting.
Jason, I take offense to your explanation! My throttle is connected to the butterfly valve by a metal cable, thank you very much! I mean, it doesn't make the car respond any faster, but at least I don't have to worry about rev hang...
I put a "Sprint Booster" on my V-12 Mercedes - it plugs in between the electronic gas pedal and the harness. Little dongle on the dash with 18 different programmed throttle maps. REALLY changes the feel; particularly on something as smoothed-out as a big Merc.
Mine, too!
Wow! I wish I could do that to mine. The rev hang flat out kills the experience for me
Fantastic explaination on EV's. Clear and to the point. Great content these day Jason. Cheers
Other than not knowing the difference between power and torque.
I look forward to the day when we are drag racing electric lamborghini vs electric porsche instead of people sharing drag racing videos between ICE lamborghini vs Tesla Sedans
Great series of videos, JC!
Jason, thank you for your continued excellence in your videos, I know it’s been said before, but thanks just the same.
how i missed the automotive Adam Sandler .. good old head to head days .. love his style of breaking down info .. glad to see he is back with a new gig .. hi :) also, sorry Jason , we know your real name .. just poking fun
Part of Mr. Cammisa's garage in the background.... nice!
And the E30 is always missing. Sigh
@@laidback93 seems that way...
@John T I can agree with that. Caught myself staring that Benz... a few times.
Always loved Jason's enthusiasm...a true automotive nerd
Your so good at what you do seriously. Thank you always enjoy your videos.
Haha, had me smiling to the end! Excellent video, on both comedy and content - thanks!
I laughed really hard on that Porsche Taycan bit!
Nice to see and listen to you again.. :-)
Wow way to go Jason! Your Charisma literally made me subscribe to this dinosaur of a channel. Hagerty should be thanking you for keep this channel alive
That's amazing! I still don't want an EV. Not even a fast one.
I'd take one of these plaids, I might love the sound but I csnt deny the sheer grinning in such speed while having so much space
I’m making a claim on your insurance Jason. I injured my thumb clicking on this video too quickly.
You may need to reduce your deductible so that you can actually get a check for the value of your thumb. :P (hehe also thank you!)
This series is so good
Top notch video, per usual.
I think someone needs to introduce him to the foxbody turbo LS shitbox lol.
Another great video. I recently had the chance to drive my friend's Volt (which was my first time driving and electric vehicle) and any speed below 30mph, it absolutely is the fastest thing on the road (or at least it feels like it). It's so punch from a stop. Makes my WRX feel super slow...
Love the whole series of this.
Not mainly because the things I learned.
But your tone XD
Please, keep it coming!
Power grows old. Sensory experiences like exhaust note, intake sound, shifting gears, etc are forever. Even if the car has 150hp and has an 8 second 0 to 60.
Yes we all agree and so does Jason, we will miss it greatly.
Sport car shouldn't be replace with EV. But most day to day cars with trashy engine sounds or fake speaker noise should be replace with EV.
Mr Calcium dreaming if you think that EVs will have more than 10% market share without government forcing it
some cars just have a sort of feeling to them. I drive an old 190 with a carburated 2 liter engine, which makes a 105 hp. And the car feels deeply personal to drive.
Yes! My Nissan Sentra fits in just perfectly
A lot of the reason is to do with the fact the EVs are faster of the line is that they heavier so they can put more of their power down, and the fact that they are all awd (at least most of them are) but f
Take 2 cars the RS5 and a model 3, the model is more power and had more torque but It will cross the line pretty much dead even with an RS5. And evs with low battery won't be as fast as full battery. They don't work typically well in the cold and they are not too good around corners.evs don't make much power after they launch so torque and power numbers are irrelevant after the first few seconds because an Aventador can keep hitting peak power 7 times whilst an ev can only hit it once
Right
Right, but like engine, dont ev's need to hold both the brake and the accelaraton pedal and then release the brake pedal to have that insane accelaration?
Yes please! More Jason!
This series is gold
Good video, but unfortunately though it's got some pretty glaring factual errors. Electric motors can output near peak torque across a broad range of rpm, NOT peak power as suggested in this video. This is obvious as to deliver peak power at very small rpm the torque would be ridiculous. Most electric motors used in EVs have essentially a constant torque in relation to motor phase currents, and their max speeds generally limited by battery voltage and motor back EMF (unless using special trickery and smart design, then they can put out more speed generally at the cost of some top end torque).
At the end of the day it's torque at the wheels that causes you to accelerate
Thank you. Cammisa needs to (re?)take some EE and ME classes.
True. In some cases though, speed on a motor is also mechanically limited. In high speed machines the magnet containment needs to change if more speed is required, Even though its electromagnetic design allows for higher speeds. This is particularly the case for surface permanent magnet motors.
@@killer101viper Exactly. Though most would be IPM or some variant these days as the benefit is enormous
I agree, but mind you this is Jason Cammisa not Jason Fenske. Nonetheless, Camissa does a great job presenting everything in a super engaging way, and he did touch many technological elements in his presentation.
On the other hand Fenske has nice videos explaining Power vs Torque and Electric vs ICE, and more importantly why an Electric motor performance is defined by max torque (or Max current) and an ICE engine performance is defined by Power. Fenske also explained why you need gears and play on the power power band to reach top acceleration for ICE.
Depending on the design, some electric motors reach a top HP and then the the torque slowly goes down with RPM to maintain constant HP (Back EMF manipulation). That renders changing gears useless for electric cars as changing the gear will result with the same HP, while the electric motor can still maintain its high RPM.
There are some other elements that could be discussed such as explaining CVTs and how they can have a drastic effect on efficiency, and why would they fail in high power applications, but that's going on another tangent for this 6 min video.
also he says that ice cars can only do 50mph without gears which is again clearly false. you just have to drag on the gear ratio to its maximum. Top gear did a demonstration with a corvette or a viper by starting the car in 6th and going for maximum speed. it was super slow but itll get there
Also: electric motors are way simpler and smaller than a same power combustion engine. Furthermore they are way more energy efficient meaning that they don't produce so much heat and as a result, they don't need a huge cooling system with big vents. Engineers of traditional supercars like Lamborghini or Bugatti are struggling to build their cars around those big engines. Tesla or Rimac on the other hand are not trouble themselves on the engine department as their main concern and area of improvement is the battery...
I'm a simple man. I see a Jason Cammisa video, I click, like, comment, and subscribe (if not already subscribed). Also, the engine revving noises around the intro were absolutely phenomenal.
I like the way Jason explain you are one of the kind
Honestly the sound of an engine alone is better then a EV
For a v8 and about? Yes. But most day to day cars sound like trash and added fake noise to speaker which they can do the same on a EV.
Yeah the sound of a Porsche flat 6, or a LS, Alfa busso, all amazing sounds, the CVT economy cars and crossovers most people drive sound like shit.
Most performance engines these days have fake pumped in sound. Very few cars actually sound good. I traded an actually sounds good m235i for Tesla Model 3 and i do not miss the engine. It always sounded the same at _x RPM, and one grows weary of even nice sounds. The silence of my Tesla is wonderful, and it doesn't sound like I'm overcompensating as i speed away from a stoplight. Win, win.
@@TheBowerbird ay, if you like the silence of a Tesla you do you, but most people don’t try and compensate with a loud engines, they just personally love the sound of em, like music
@@ervin7178 agreed lol
"Then the whole thing gets lit on fire. That explosion pushes the piston back down"
Semantics but the process after ignition is combustion. If the process includes knock then it is an explosion. We do not want explosions we want combustion.
And he was saying "downshift" when he meant "upshift". Still fascinating!
Shut up nerd /s
Conflagration is a great word.
As hard as it sounds, even the best designed and well engineered combustion engines only have an efficiency of 15-20%. 80% of the energy from lighting the gasoline/air mixture inside the cylinder is lost during the combustion process in form of heat.
Between Cammisa and Farah, Hagerty got me to subscribe. Well played Hagerty, well played. 🍻
faster.... but around these parts they had to wait 2.5 hours for their turn at the charging station during the long weekend XD
Hey, the aventador V12 might make 70lb/ft of torque, but you're forgetting gear ratios and torque multiplication... that engine might be making 70lbft of torque, but its putting a lot more to the pavement...
Yes this point was completely ignored and clearly so EVs can look like a magical savior to come save everyone from "evil" big oil, and bring cars into the "modern" times where everything is basically software centrally controlled not by you.
He throws out the "70 lb/ft" figure as if that is all the torque that ever happens, and like anybody is ever launching at 1000 rpm in a Lamborghini in a drag race. This was a purely disingenuous presentation.
So much love for this guy. What an absolute gem.
😂
Ha ha... That reminded me of that epic old VW commercial for DSG featuring that young boy. Priceless!
Yes, electric cars are quick, but....
Enzo Ferrari: "I had a conductor tell me once, 'Enzo, your V12s make a sound so glorious that no symphony could ever match it.' "
BINGO. And that’s something EVs will never have.
Sound? Sound can't be reproduced? 🙈
@@borutb11 Artificial engine sound is just that, artificial.
I'd rather pull up in a Ferrari or a 1970 Chevelle 454 any day of the week before a Tesla. There's no replacement for displacement.
@@Mr.White10-65 The only true replacement for displacement is a hybrid setup where an electric motor is assisting a combustion engine.
But i love internal combustion 😭😭😭
Good. It’s not going anywhere. Remember half the world still burns wood for heat and energy
@@psyker4321it's going to museum
@@ajeesh3485 people still ride horses
Get a hybrid. The torque of an EV and the character of internal combustion engines.
THANK YOU!!!;)
Best presenter ever! What is Top Gear waiting to hire him??? yes, funny, informative and true petrolhead!
Also you can very precisely control traction to the ground with an electric motor since it has such torque and fast response.
I got to drive a friend’s Tesla 75D and that itself is pretty quick you can feel all the G’s
Great explanations!
Love you Camisa. More about cars. Your research is better than top gear 🥇
A house of cards
I was pleasantly surprised at autocross I could beat a better driver in a Chevy Bolt, in my 06 Focus wagon... I had a bit of a tire advantage with bfg sportcomp 2's(not 200tw autocross cheater tires) vs whatever a bolt comes with, but I'm in a 9s 0-60 car vs 6s 0-60 of a Bolt. The Bolt had lots of power, but with fwd and all that weight it couldn't quite keep up with my dumb slow analog car which is nearly 1000lbs lighter. Sure a model 3 is pretty snappy all the time everywhere, but the cheaper electric cars aren't really that great even with instant power response.
And two silver bullets to my heart.....thank you for this video taught me a lot : )
Missed this guy
There's a difference between being fast and being quick we all know electric cars are quicker than most super or hypercars because of the instant torque to the wheels from the battery but they don't have a lot of top-end pull as a supercar or hypercar would have. Especially around 140+mph or roll racing.
I'll keep my powertrain with character over Borg powered thanks.
Jason is in a league of it's own! Keep up the awesome work Jason!
Love the video Jason, but you were wrong because I picked a hybrid supercar 😁 918 is the fastest 5-60 mph car C&D ever tested!
I picked the NSX.
They’re only crazy fast when at 95%+ battery capacity. Gapped plenty of Tesla’s in my 2.7TT F150 which is like a 14 second truck.
me : electric motors produce max *torque* at 0 rpm, not power. Plus many other technical errors.
everyone else : Jason makes the best car noises
Great job Jason. Looking forward to the next episode.
also big kudos for the very realistic imitation of a rev limiter! :D
You forgot to mention that EVs assist in weight loss due to the complimentary range anxiety that comes with an EV vehicle 😅
You've never driven a gas car when you could only afford to put $20 of gas into it at a time? Range anxiety isn't just an EV thing, and EVs gave the advantage that if you have a garage or a long cable, it's always full when you start your trip.
4:10 Maybe choose a different clip for your joke, one where multiple people didn't get seriously injured. Eh? I dunno.
Lighten up dude
No, you lighten up, dude!
@@alecjahn how about take your candy ass off someplace? MULTIPLE people WEREN'T injured.. Relax.. It was tongue in cheek.. He wasn't showing a clip of a person drowning kittens for fuk sake...
Yeah, a few of those people definitely gonna need more than a bandaid and some Tylenol
More Jason please
Just here in support Jason, (fellow vdubber).
No matter how fast an EV can accelerate it has all the driver input, gratification and personal satisfaction of a Golf Cart.
I ordinarily enjoy your work, but I have a problem with your take on this one - you DON'T "get to have your cake and eat it too". You do a disservice by not acknowledging the downsides of current electric cars, especially weight & range (many areas of the country do not have convenient charging options). So there is a trade-off for the straight line acceleration.
to be fair on two points... I think that the comment was fair if one thinks strictly in terms of 0-60. He didn't say he was gonna go buy an EV, the implication (to me) was that he was simply going to go play in some EV's and feel the acceleration.
And on the other end, given the topic, I imagine that EV people were waiting for some kind of subjective comment at the end about them being soul-less or whatever. The cake thing would add some balance.
So... given the passion on both sides, I think he did pretty well here. :)
Here for Cammisa
The start of this video is literally the start of every race in gt sport.
a wise Chinese man once said , an electric economy car gets you an economy woman , while an exotic car get you an exotic experience wink wink
@@GoIdenApple hahahahaha good point
@@GoIdenApple They're like Ferraris. Younger are the less used and older are the most crashed.
You're confusing 'fast' with 'quick'. Electric cars are very 'quick' from 0-60 or whatever. They also may be 'fast' as in having a very high top speed. Instant torque from a standstill makes them 'quick'. The English language can be a wonderful thing if used correctly.
Exactly quick not fast
I guess this used to be true but recently cars like the Tesla Model S Plaid + claims it can reach 200 mph and even a Taycan is pretty fast and this all is in the present, who knows what the future has in store for us
don't get me wrong, I still prefer an ICE for the experience and everything but the level of advance for an EV is unmatched to an ICE
I have a model 3 performance and the silver bullet for internal combustion cars is still the utter lack of charging options for Telsa's/EV's in a lot of the US. Especially down here in the south east, if you are not traveling on a major interstate then you're SOL. Despite about 270 real world miles per charge on my car if I keep the speed at or below 70mph, there are some trips to rural areas I have to make for work that I either have to extend the trip an extra hour to go out of my way to supercharge to get home or I just get in my old slow Volvo and deal with it. To be fair though, that turbo 5 cylinder volvo motor with the 3" downpipe/exhaust sounds really nice... like the estranged brother of the old Quattro motor.
Yep, this is the truth and while it's not a problem for my use case, it's certainly not going to work for everyone... Yet.
I love your videos man.
It's funny you completely ignored top speed. EVs are not "faster", well some are, they accelerate more quicky. There is a difference.
They are very fast top speed evs nowadays. Even the Model 3 is limited to the same to speed as most German performance cars.
The speed limit is 75 max. Unless you’re driving on the autobahn where are you going anything over 100?
Spoiler: electric economy cars are slow af. In Europe we have some of them and they are even slower than European gas economy cars which are already slower than anything American.
you mean slow in acceleration? what models are those?
@@vasopel
Renault Twingo electric, Nissan Leaf electric, Twingo electric, Seat Mii electric, MG ZS ev, Corsa-e, BMW i3
@@KevinKickChannel no I don't think he was talking about those well known models, anyway..you think those are slow? let's see...
model name 0-62 time
Renault-Twingo-Electric 12.6 sec
Nissan Leaf e+ 7.3 sec
Renault Twingo Electric 12.6 sec
SEAT Mii Electric 12.3 sec
MG ZS EV 8.2 sec
Opel Corsa-e 8.1 sec
BMW i3s (120Ah) 6.9 sec
my car :-) 12.9 sec ,when it was new... :-(
so as you can see those models are not slow, I think he was talking about some budget mini-electric-cars that exist.
@@vasopel Those are either damn slow or equivalent to modern cars with engines.
@@CowBeatsCrow no , not slow, public roads are not racetracks you know..
Not only that but an electric engine doesn't have to spin up a flywheel.
Best way to put it is that a combustion engine has to rev up to reach its peak power but an EVs peak power is silently waiting impatiently for your foot to move.
Everyone in the comments is gushing over this bloke like he's car Jesus
But I will admit the fact that he used the words motor and engine correctly impressed me
Electric cars have a lot of advantages and have amazing performance but electric cars still lack energy density and the ability to charge quickly and will for a long time. You can fill up a car that can go 500+ miles in less than 5min , get a snack and take a piss. At current rates of charging and this is only at Tesla Superchargers you will spend 35+ minutes to go from mostly empty to mostly full. If you could half the charging time you will still have to spend about 5x times longer to "fill up" than an ICE engine car.
Even taking an electric vehicle on a normal 5-8hr road trip right now drastically pushes out the time it takes to travel. Taking a road trip right now in an electric vehicle, especially cross country is like traveling by train.
If a car is slower than yours: it’s a slow shit box my car is so much better...
If a car is faster than yours: nah dude it’s about the experience not speed
I'm waiting for an episode about that Cabrio golf in back
that intro had me in stitches lmfao