Rhet's explination is a perfect example of what Paul meant when he said, "Althpugh they claim to be wise, they became fools & exchanged the glory of the imortal God for images..." I pray that they find the way back to The God of The Bible/ to Jesus Christ & find healing for the pain that caused them to deconstruct in the first place.
I think you’re making it clear you haven’t really listened to what Rhett actually has to say as well as his whole journey and experience to get where he is now. There’s several hours of podcast material addressing how he got where he is, and even as someone who’s still a Christian (like myself) it’s a very valuable listen.
Rhett moved to LA where he is surrounded by "spiritual" and selfish self absorbed people. He didn't quite know his faith. He is surrounded by people who say he's stupid for believing in a God when you ARE a God.... It was enevitable
Yup great comment. I feel more often than not it boils down to accountability. The nature of the beast does not want to be faced with accountability. Romans 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
to me, as someone who used to watch them, they traded god for mammon. about 99% of their audience is the "woke" crowd. think of how their ratings would drop if they said they believed in God.
@@p.shermanfortytwowallabyla9488 your name lol. for some reason, i was walking through the grocery store the day before yesterday, thinking about finding nemo and i was trying to remember that address lol.
I can't imagine that the disciples just thought it was great to be martyred for something that they didn't believe. They KNEW who Jesus was and they were willing to die for it.
First problem: We don’t know if any of them actually did “Die” for their beliefs, as they all disappear from history, outside of church traditions, besides John, James, and Peter 2nd: willingness to die for their beliefs does not mean the beliefs are facts. Branch Davidians, Heaven’s Gate, 9/11 hijackers, suicide bombers, martyrs from all faiths around the world throughout history were willing do die for their beliefs. Does that make them true? They can’t all be true. 3rd: What we have knowledge of is the stories that were written by people who are unknown to history, who wrote between 30-100 years after the events, and the stories grew as time progressed, as evidenced by the differences between Gospel according to Mark (65CE) and Gospel According to John (90-120CE), and everything in between. Whether the Apostles were willing to die, doesn’t prove their beliefs were true, any more than the beliefs that The Heaven’s Gate Away Team met up with Do trailing behind the comet.
@@jackaltwinky77Will this guy or anyone else who follows this channel take the least time to consider your thoughtful response? Nope! It’s a shame really. I consider myself a believer, but the way my fellow believers behave when it comes to intellectual topics is disgusting. They aren’t interested in challenging themselves or stimulating their minds. They want the appearance of truth and reason, but deny its power. To use a Bible verse they love to use against others who don’t think like them: “Professing to be wise, they became fools.”
@@jackaltwinky77 response to the first problem: yes we do there are historical documents outside of the Bible that attest to James’ death, Peter, Paul, and we even have documents that attest to John’s attempted execution in oil. Secondly: I also agree that willingness to die isn’t enough of a proof for something.
@@Travis_Rosenthal Except we don't... other than James, who was killed in what is likely a politically motivated way (not necessarily for his religion), Peter, Paul, John, and all the rest disappear from history. There's Church Traditions that place them in Rome, possibly under the impact of Nero and his blaming of Christians, but they're not recorded by anyone outside of the church... The story of John is from Tertulian, 100 years later, but no one of the newly converted christians within the coliseum thought to write down their new found faith... Or Domitian writing about it, cause you'd think that someone not dying and then converting hundreds or thousands of people immediately would be cause for a letter or a monument to the miracle. Instead we have nothing for a century. No reliable historical source talks about the fates of the apostles. The only one that is definitive is James, Peter and Paul are Probable, and the rest are pure mysteries lost to time.
@@Travis_Rosenthal Your right, but as with any case study, it's about an accumulation of surrounding evidence to add to an over all credibility. And when you consider that they died for what they claimed to have SEEN not just believed, forsaking an abundance of wealth and riches(thus indicating a desire not to be wealthy from thier claims), persecuted, tortured and finally matryed it does give it quite some credibility. Add this to the manuscript evidence that surpasses any writings of the Roman Emperor of that time even along with disgraceful inclusions like Peter being rebuked by Jesus and Paul, Paul Paul admitting to struggling with his flesh and not posing to be some perfectly innocent moral standard...it seems more likely that these first century believers were really struggling with what they witnessed but they couldn't deny it and had to speak about it.
Since they have rejected Christ, they are treating the faith like an ex. They have to hate her because they cannot stand being wrong and they have to build that negative stereo type to justify their decisions.
I never saw the evidence of Christ in them. I was surprised to find out they were Christians. Less surprised to find out now they are not. They are childish and absurd with their previous embrace of "faith" and now their embrace of "rationality".
agreed. he seems to have a belief that we never had intellectual ability to question until the 1900s. It is an odd combination of presentism and the flynn effect merged with a total disregard for history and scholars as a whole and specifically those of the faith. I always found it interesting that Christianity exploded in the area most known for great philosophy and reasoning. It was almost like they encountered the answer to all their questions in the death and resurrection of Jesus.
Even crazier that a huge amount of the reason we CAN read commonly now is BECAUSE Christians (protestants, specifically) wanted everyone to be able to study the Bible. But even before then WAY plenty people were literate, and the literate ones were so to a much higher degree than what passes for basic today.
That’s just the standard “people were dumb back then” mentality pop atheists have which they never feel the need to question or substantiate beyond pointing out that nobody had iPhones in the Bronze Age.
Paul definitely told us to seek evidence. He showed we have nothing to hide. Faith means I trust in God to make good on all of His promises because He has proven He is trustworthy.
It is very odd for me to watch people "deconstruct" since I was not raised in a Christian home. Jesus kicked in my door many times but I was 31 years old when the gospel (which I heard many times before) clicked for me. When I was confronted with just some level of the glory of God I found myself worried because the only Christians I encountered were hypocrites or couldn't defend their faith. Through the reading scripture and listening to teachings from Tim Keller, CS Lewis, Dr. John Lennox, R.C. Sproul, etc. I was left with the reality of how blind I truly was to the truth that was always there. Some would say that Rhett is apostate or was never a believer and I prefer not to assume I can read man's heart, but anyone who walks away didn't encounter Jesus' goodness, mercy, or love the way I did. I spent years trying to understand the 'what' or 'why' behind life, pain, purpose, suffering, love, etc. and it was not until that question changed to a 'Who' that I got the answer. Rhett and Link are currently being used as a merchants of old lies that started at the garden from the serpent. I pray that God humbles and redeems them publicly to show how great He truly is. At the least, I pray they turn to the Lord before it is too late. Thanks for your dedication to the ministry, Nate. I would love chat with you sometime.
I think Rhett’s argument sounds so good because the way he is speaking is as if he were in a debate or forum, but is getting no reply to any statements or questions. It makes him sound strong.
Nate, thanks for this so much. I used to love these guys but Ive been seeing a lot of videos where they stray from God and all I can do is pray for their return to Him. Thanks for what you do
I used to watch them everyday with my children...but not only have they sold out and become very worldly and they both are very narcissistic(Rhett more so then Link), but there is a TON of immature sexual content in alot of their stuff now too, and it's no longer appropriate for my children and I don't watch them very much at all anymore either. It's a shame really
It's really hard moving on from content creators, as weird as it may seem to people who don't spend much time online. It's like moving on from a friend you loved deeply. From my experience, I can assure you that there's always another creator who you will enjoy spending time watching instead, if not more. If you still want that and haven't found one who is biblically sound or at least not outwardly anti-Christian, ask God for a better option. Some people might think that's a silly thing to ask God for, but realistically, do you think God would want you to keep engaging with something that takes glory away from him? God is more than capable of helping you find something that fills that void. Perhaps it's a new hobby irl you can do with your children, or perhaps it is another content creator. Thank God that was revealed to you and you had the strength to let it go, even in part. I used to watch Philip De Franco every day for years to get my news, but then he started chastising Christians needlessly every day so I stopped watching. I didn't even realize what a negative impact it was having on me until I stopped watching it. It was all very small things, but it made a huge positive impact leaving it in the past. It does hurt, but count it all joy! God has a plan for the smallest things in your life, like that!@@TheVaporater (You probably don't need to read this but I figured I would write it out in full for someone who does. I'm a pretty new born again Christian so take my words with a grain of salt, God bless!)
@@Repti-verseyou can’t just trust them anymore to watch with your children. Like the previous person said, they have a lot of content infused in there that’s totally inappropriate. Even as an adult, it upsets me when they throw that stuff in there. It’s such a lazy cheap sell out trick that they didn’t always have.
Im not a pastor or even a Biblical scholar, but Ive studied enough to dispute EVERYTHING he's said here. They went to Hollywood and lost their faith and all I keep thinking is that they are dragging their families (wives and children) into Hell with them. I pray they they find their way back because they are leading so many astray and the judgement for that will be terrible indeed.
I always get a strange, condemning look from Christians when I say to them " I don't need faith to believe in God, His existence is obvious. I need faith to trust Him."
@@Devout214 Being a Christian requires a lot of other believes, such as the belief that God is all good. Simply believing that there is a god doesn't make you a Christian.
I think this is why continued Bible study and prayer is so important. These guys are young to have turned away from their faith that they grow up in. I mean, when I was a young adult, like 18-20 I began to have doubts and start to deconstruct, but from there I decided to dig deeper and deeper into the Bible and find more and more. I have barely scratched the surface now and it’s been about 10 years. But the more I get into it the more I understand and the stronger er my faith becomes. My advice for anyone doubting is to keep reading, don’t just abandon it because you never know what you’re misunderstanding. RUclips videos like this are helpful as well. These guys also believe that everyone in the faith has not looked deeper or searched for evidence. It’s a bit arrogant.
When you asked what we think, before you explained it, I had already came to your conclusion of it. Even someone who has recently died can only be proven by their family’s testimony, pictures and perhaps videos. This new “deconstruction” is just the latest mess Satan is using to draw believers away from gospel truths. Good video, Nate. Thank you, brother 🙏
But even that evidence can be dismissed as forgeries. If you don't want to believe something, then there is no amount of evidence that can be presented that will convince you.
A few years ago when Rhett and Link did a podcast of how they deconstructed, I listen to it and had doubts myself. They were the main reason I fell from God and deconstructed myself. I can confidently say it was just my feelings and the lack of knowledge just because there’s no evidence, or something just didn’t add up. And I also wanted validation for my sin. Going into today I have been saved again and back in my faith. Crazy how just because you have lack of information some people can seem so smart and like they have all the answers, now watching videos like this, they clearly don’t understand God or the Bible, and weren’t really in their faith to begin with.
Not to mention, all the other disciples and apostles believed because they had seen the risen Lord. Paul believed because the Lord appeared to him. Thomas is not unique in that he believed only because he had seen the Lord - that is the case with all the people in Paul’s list in 1 Cor. 15. Likewise, Hebrews 11 talks about OT saints who believed in a messiah promised by God who had yet been revealed, and yet they were saved by faith in the promised one not yet seen but hoped for.
There's a great book called "The Deconstruction of Christianity" by alissa childers and tim barnet that breaks down how the deconstructionist movement works and how the people are not using scripture or other sources to ground it but their feelings.
And Satan absolutely knows this. That's why Jeremiah warns us not to ever trust our hearts. That is Satan's goal, get us to trust our hearts. Because it is deceitfully wicked, who can know it?
I saw Tim Barnett promote that book on Sean Mcdowell's channel and he was oddly denying that Jesus was a child sacrifice because he was an adult, as if he weren't God's only begotten son.
@@tomasrocha6139I think it's because saying child sacrifice implies that one is sacrificing a "child" ie someone under eighteen. The Bible never really calls Christ God's "child" because there is a sense in which the Son, eternally begotten of the Father, was never a child (apart from when he was incarnate). At the time of the crucifixion, He wasn't a child anymore. People use the term "child" sacrifice because it has a huge emotional impact. I would suggest saying "human sacrifice" instead... But then Jesus wasn't just human, technically. So in a sense, I guess we just have to be careful how we word things. My humble opinion.
This how Satan has deceived many cause they waiting to see deconstruction when they was raised in and r already part of it just like the great falling away they r waiting to see it when they r actually part of it and that's deception at its finest and yes even if u r an adult I r still someone's child/kid.
"If Joseph Smith said he was a prophet, why dont you just have faith?" I literally said, out loud, that makes no sense. His argument to the layman/uninformed makes sense. But biblically, it's nonsensical.
In a podcast years back, when Rhett and Link first talked about their new found atheism (of course they do EVERYTHING together), it seems as if it's because their long time assistant Stevie is a same-sex attracted woman, and they believed that the faith that they espoused went against her lifestyle and identity so they threw that away to be an "ally" to her. I don't know if that's the main reason but it's one of them.
Nate, I hope you read your comments. James White has done several recent debates that I'd love to hear you comb over. The 2 debates vs Trent Horn (sola scriptural/purgatory) would be great, but the one I want to hear most is your take on the White vs Tuggy debate on, "is Jesus Yahweh?" There have been victories proclaimed by both sides on that one. God Bless.
@@brando3342I think you can give it to him that he handled himself fairly well in cross ex in the sense that James had a hard time pinning him apart from the issue of John's account of Isaiah's vision, but that's about it.
Years ago when they turned away from Christianity, I watched some of their videos explaining why they become agnostic. It was evident from their statements that they had a poor understanding of Christianity and never stood firm in their beliefs.
I think the argument of the disciples's changed lives and willingness to die for the Gospel, which wouldn't have happened had the resurrection been a lie, is a compelling argument.
So many people just gloss over the distinction between faith and blind faith. Would you trust a stranger you met yesterday to pick you up from school as much as you would trust your mother? In either case, you have “zero proof” that they definitely will pick you up until it happens. The difference being that your mom has a track record. She has evidence supporting her reliability.
Also they had the shroud, from then to now, which is the most studied thing in the history of things, and it keeps showing the wonders of God no matter how high we climb technologically.
Im 70 Nate. I so much appreciate the perspective you add, both in debates and pastoral critique. This 'faith deconstruction' movement is deeply troubling. It used to be that when those who had major flaws in their conversion to Christianity from the beginning fell away, they typically surfaced as atheist-former Christians if they surfaced at all. Now, with this deconstruction trend, they seem more bent on bringing their new enlightenment to others, ostensibly to free them from the deceiving burdens of Christianity. First, i deeply question those who claim to have been Christian by then openly reject Jesus Christ. I backslid for several years as a new, young Christian 50 years ago, but i never,ever once doubted Christ. I could be wrong, but it seems to me that anyone who has experienced that love in your heart can ever overtly reject it. Using doubt and faith as a tool to develop unbelief strikes me as incredibly deceptive. Except the things in life that can be proven beyond any reasonable doubt, all of history and past events' integrity hinges upon a level of faith. A comparison to Joseph Smith and his revelation is ludicrous. His witnesses cannot hold a candle to not just the Apostles, but also dozens, if not hundreds who saw Jesus first hand after his resurrection.
Similar back sliding. I doubted for sure, and was surrounded at work by some cynical atheists. But I never could quite bring myself to deny Jesus. I was always like, well maybe, he does seem authoritative.
In regards to Thomas, Last year, during a homily, a Catholic priest said that he doesn't see Thomas as a doubter, but as a heart broken man that could not bear to hear the news that a man he loved so much could have returned just to be heart broken, again, if it werent true. The priest took an interestingly charitable view of Thomas.
My dad’s a preacher (retired now), and I remember a couple of different times he said that Thomas just wanted the same evidence the other guys got. They saw Him eat, could see and touch the wounds, so it was easy for them to believe He was alive. Without that, Thomas may have thought they were playing a sick joke or had cracked under the grief.
Prayers for all those caught up in the world and worldly ways of thinking, trusting in worldly ideas; Rhett's faith, his trust, is in himself, in the scholars he likes, and that is why his faith is now as shown.
Hey Nate. Love your videos and how they’ve helped me grow spiritually. My apologies if I missed this but can you expound upon what the Biblical definition of faith is if Hebrews 11:1 is NOT the definition. Follow up question, if the verse literally says “faith IS…” can you explain how that isn’t the definition because it seems to be a definition even when reading it carefully. One thing that I see implied is that the conviction and hope are in fact based on evidence and NOT blind (as most secular definitions would assume that faith is blind). Any clarification would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again for your ministry and everything you’re doing.
Unfortunately these guys are another example of “Christians “ who deconstructed their “faith” because they became too famous and couldn’t handle the Christian world view vs the non Christian world view questions. Instead of diving into the word they took a hard left. I pray for them because they have influenced many to walk down this same path and it’s very sad
And became friends with homosexuals and they couldn't tell them they were in the wrong. He specifically said this in his first video talking about "leaving" the faith
@@philipbolin6776 Rhett even says early on in the video, "we're products of our environment". Yeah, Hollywood is where Christianity goes to die basically. They became too famous, became influential to young people confused by their gender and sexuality, and didn't have the proper courage to tell them to "go and sin no more".
@@thejuniorseas7683 or even in a sinner as well and won't attack you and still be friendly without compromising his beliefs. But his ease in which he left the faith, says his faith wasn't strong to begin with
"Once you have made the World an end, and faith a means, you have almost won your man, and it makes very little difference what kind of worldly end he is pursuing." ~ Uncle Screwtape [C.S. Lewis]
I like the way the NIV words Hebrews 11:1: “Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.” Simply put, faith is trust, confidence, or belief in a person, idea, or concept. If I ask my wife to pick up my dry cleaning on her way home from work and she agrees to do so, I have faith that she will pick it up. After the conversation, I don’t feel the need to call and text her repeatedly to make sure she is still going to do it. Not only do I hope she’ll remember, I’m incredibly confident in that hope enough that I don’t make back up plans to pick it up. I also don’t ask her to prove to me that she’s going to pick it up. Why? Because she has a track record of always being reliable in the past which is one of the many reasons I married her. If you go on to read the other 39 verses of Hebrews 11, it all commends believers who put their trust in God after He made them promises. They didn’t ask for proof that He would do what He had promised. They didn’t ask for a down payment or spend a ton of time questioning his faithfulness. Just look at verse 3: “By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.” This was written at a time when all of the great thinkers believed the universe had always existed (the Steady State theory.). Turns out, the Bible had it right. None of us were there to actually see it happen, yet even atheists have faith that the universe had a beginning (The Big Bang.) My hope is in Jesus Christ and the eternal life He has promised me. I have great confidence in that hope even though I can’t place my hands on it or see into the future. I have faith based on all of the evidence I’ve seen and on Jesus’ track record of being faithful.
Rhett and Link should have a podcast with Nate and have these discussions. I think if those two heard Nate deconstruction their misled beliefs, it would cause both to come back to God and Christ. I have run across people like Rhett and Link. They know the stories and can quote Scripture yet they have no theological understanding of the Word. I do not debate them because they are not ready to truly hear God’s Word. They are convinced that I should fall away from God. Not going to happen. Nate, thank you for posting this video. I listen to you when exercising and it makes my workouts go so much easier.
Watching from Ireland 🇮🇪. Subscribed. Thanks for sharing the truth to all who seek it. Jesus Christ is the truth and only through him can we be saved. Repent and believe the gospel. The holy spirit will guide us 🙏 All glory and honour belong to our Father God almighty. 🙏 praying for you Nate, that you are blessed with discerning the word so as to teach us all.
2 Peter tells us to add knowledge (and other characteristics) to our Faith. Paul makes it painfully clear that if we believe a lie we are a fool. The fact Rhett mentioned this verse points to a flaw in the argument. The apostles and the early church worked diligently to give accurate accounts and fight those that would corrupt the teachings of Christ. These debates have been on going since the formation of the early church. Rhett makes the error of assuming just because of our technological advancement as a whole that knowledge and a desire for truth and evidence was absent in history. The writings of the church fathers alone prove this idea that no one cared or asked false. His did not argue his point in good faith wether it be intentional or unintentional.
I remember the day they announced that they were stepping away from God. Up to that point my wife and I had been watching them from the beginning of their RUclips career. I cant explain how heart broken I felt. I may have even shed a few tears.
Why? You don't know them, they don't know you even exsist. And you developed a overly strong emotional connection to someone you never met, which is very unhealthy and creepy
I guess he just ignores all of the archeological findings that have proven the historical accuracy of some of the Old Testament, and the fact that even atheist archeologists agree how amazingly accurate the information in Luke's gospel and Acts have been found to be.
@@Starlesslight Meanwhile in reality most secular historians think that the gospels and especially Acts are mostly fiction. Also… even most Christian historians think that the Exodus of Moses and the conquest of Joshua didn’t happen at all or that the actual historical event had almost nothing in common with the stories in the Bible.
Part of me didn't want to watch this video, ngl. I've been a Rhett & Link fan for many years and I remember reading about them leaving the faith back when it first came out, but this really cements it for me. It breaks my heart for them. I pray that their eyes will be opened before it's too late. Thanks for breaking this down for us, Nate!
I don't expect Rhett and Link to be the ones to establish consistent and a logical flow of thought towards their skepticism and journey of deconstruction. For all Rhett is trying to make it seem that his decision came out from a well thought out, intellectual process, a lot of the things he brings up are misconceptions, inconsistent, or just downright wrong. It's no wonder that they left the faith, when their own faith relied basically upon a false god. Seems more or less that they were cultural Christians more than believers who surrendered legitimately because they were confronted with their brokenness and in need of Jesus. And when it came to them actually exploring the faith instead of just leaning on their cultural religiosity, they relied upon a very relative measuring stick on a misled understanding of what faith is. At the core, this is more probably an issue of personal things they have going on internally than a real scientific/intellectual thing that they make it seem out to be, else they'd understand the inconsistencies of their own arguments that are pointed out.
They've been recruited into the Hollywood Cabal. The moment they started to hit it big, and were guests on Jimmy Fallon, it was a sign that they drank the Hollywood Kool-Aid. Then they started to add questionable content to their RUclips show. I stopped letting my kids watch it, because I as a Christian, didn't like the messages behind their antics.
It’s exactly how the Cabal industry was set up to be, in case God-fearing people in entertainment got big enough that the only way to “level-up” to the next influencers financial bracket… a sacrifice must be made. Take Katy Perry or Chris Pratt for example and many many more
Nate this is fascinating subject matter as usual. I think that the testimony of the disciples is all he proof we need because the Bible is the the word of God. The most important thing is having faith in Jesus Christ which evident in the beautiful world around us and the birth of newborn baby and so much more.
I’ve gotta say, you handled that very well, and I fully agree! Truthfully, we need to first distinguish what the meaning of faith is. It’s not just a process of thought, it’s an action. “Faith without works is dead”, “Faith is the SUBSTANCE of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen”. When we have an encounter with God, and he reveals himself to us through the gospel, it causes us to change in our life where we live what we believe. God actually motivates us to search for knowledge and to be able to show why we believe. 2 Timothy 2:15 Rhett is right, influence has a lot to do with why humans believe the things that we do, but if he thinks he’s not under the influence of the world with the pull of RUclips Hollywood, he’s sadly mistaken.
Im a Mormon and a Christian is someone who follows Christ. And that's what we do, we still pray in his name, we have sacrament. Heck We got painting and statues of Jesus on walls and tables. And there is whole lot of proof of the bible and even in the Book of Mormon from Scientist and Archaeologist.
@@prestonworkman6698I don't get why some people say, 'xyz is a cult', expecting that to mean something. Mormonism is, at this point as well established as any Christian faith. To belittle it in this way is useless.
@@kellystone7501 they are a cult because they purposely hide the truth from its members to keep them. I was told my entire life not to read anything that was “anti Mormon” because it would shake my faith and cause me to fall away from god and would hurt my relationship with Christ. I was always told not to read the CES letters so that I wouldn’t look into the truth myself. They oppress and lie to keep you in line as a cult does.
First. What Jesus says to Thomas about those who believe and have not seen. That’s not a warning, it’s a blessing for the future church. Hebrews11:1 is about exercising faith in spite of the circumstances. And at the right time God will reward you for your faith with evidence. 1 peter 3:15 as a witness to his glory. Also God rewards our faith with evidence so we may be encouraged that we do not walk alone.
Acts 4:12 LSB "And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.” --- Hebrews 10:26-27 LSB For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, [27] but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES. --- 1 John 2:19 LSB "They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they were of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be manifested that they all are not of us."
5:27 no, Rhett is showing that he has bought the materialistic framework (metaphysics). For him, evidence can only be right comstituted as physical. A Christian response can be to point out that Rhett does not do this with reason. His faith in reason is a blind one.
Rhett and link never changed their mind or grew in knowledge. They lived around the bible belt and believed in the same opinions as the people around them. Then, they moved to California and became just as their surroundings were. these guys changed their location not their ideas
Hosts of the popular RUclips channel “Good Mythical Morning”. I think they have like 3 or 4 million subscribers. They used to be outgoing Christians, and have a fan base of young people, for the most part. So, what they say really affects the younger generations.
1 John 2:19 (ESV): They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.
Rhett is probably the best example ive seen of what happens when someone is raised in a church and community that doesnt address pseudo-intellectual challenges to the Christian faith then runs headlong into them as an adult with a child's understanding of things. He should be a very sober warning to Christian parents everywhere.
As an ex-atheist, I never understood the absolute NEED for other ex-Christians to evangelize Christians to convert to agnosticism or atheism. If atheism is true and you truly believe that, then literally nothing matters so why do you care if Christians worship their God or Buddhists worship theirs? It literally doesn’t matter what god they worship because one day none of this will exist and it will all have been a wind that passes away with no one left to be concerned about it. In my honest opinion and personal experience, “the only question left for the atheist is the question of suicide.” (Edit: that is an RC Sproul quote, just so he gets credit)
Just because you need religion as a crutch to get the hope, meaning and purpose that you failed to find otherwise in your life doesn’t mean that everyone else also fails to do so. Obviously it doesn’t logically follow that just because nothing matters forever that therefore nothing matters at all… but that’s a clear sign that you believe for emotional reasons.😉
True. The reason Jesus reprimands the Pharisees in the bible for asking for a sign is because He has been producing the signs throughout His ministry-so not because it’s bad but because the Pharisees were being stubborn. They refused to believe in Him out of spite. Nicodemus even admits in John 3 using the word “we” (perhaps hinting his group-the pharisees) know Jesus came from God but chose to antagonize Him because of their jealousy. The Word even tells us to test the spirit of the prophets.
@@mikewilliams6025 what trick? The comment about there's no amount of evidence seems like belief in a weak God. If there's a God that created the universe, I believe he'd be 100% capable and seems to desire to connect with that person, no?
@thomasthecommentrater3703 hmmm...that's a confusing answer. If he knows what will happen in the end, doesn't he knows what you are going to do or not do as well? It doesn't sound like the end outcome is based on your choice, right? It also sounds like you would agree with the omniscient part but it seems not on the omnipotent part. Am I interpreting that correctly? It seems like it is you, me, and society's responsibility to fulfill God's desires, not him intervening, did I understand you correctly?
It's crazy to see stuff like this because Rhett and Link were in a Bible study with my parents in college and were invited to my parent's wedding. Knowing how far they've stayed since then hurts my parents and always makes me wonder if any of my friends will go the same way.
It's crazy how every time an influencer caves in to the secular side of their audience, they conveniently get this strawman question of "why do you need evidence?" Then they can burn it with the argument "faith is belief without evidence. But I, an intellectual, require evidence and will not blindly follow." Wild. Nevermind the countless responses and counters to this argument already on youtube
Hey @WiseDisciple! Love the content! There was a recent debate on John 6 between John White and Leighton Flowers that I would love to see you adjudicate!
The deal with Rhett, having seen several of his podcasts about this: all he does is say he speaks on behalf of "Southern White Evangelical Christianity," because that is what he knows and/or identified with. Being a Catholic, I see his rants as a criticism of Southern Evangelical Protestantism. He's knowledgeable of many Biblical teachings, but he's been jaded by the Liberal/Secular left and frames the arguments from that lens. I have watched his content for 7+ years now. Any social commentaries he's given are extremely progressive. I'll still watch his content for entertainment, but the subtle wokeness is becoming more apparent.
Yeah. It isn’t so much “subtle” anymore. It’s also coming out in a more “sexual” way, more than usual, which is common for the degenerate left. They idolize depravity. Basically Rhett and Link are a great example of becoming who you surround yourself with. That accompanied with always wanting to appease the popular majority. They have decided it is more advantageous to their public image to go with the flow and just dump Christ. Which is extremely sad, of course.
This the first time I've seen or heard of these guys. I think of the parable of the seeds, specifically Matt 13:20-22 They have not had good & sound teaching, and did not have a solid root in the word and the thorns of this world has choked out their faith. I feel sorry for them as it will be worse when they stand before Jesus in all his glory and the sudden horror permeates their very being as he tells them to depart from me you worker of inequity. It's sad to see them influencing so many people with their false teaching as well.
I think the deconversion and the introduction of wokeness became inevitable when they moved to California where a lot of the other big youtubers are. They pretty much sealed themselves into an echo chamber without realizing it.
Its actually really sad how bad Rhett and Link have fallen. I used to watch them alot but one day it was Stevie's birthday and they centered it 100% around her sexuality. They had worn pins and tshirts and made a big deal about her being gay. It was so on the nose and it made me cringe.
His personality is definitely a follower. Some people are like that though, I wouldn’t hold it against him so much. However, followers need to be EXTRA careful who they surround themselves with, because that’s likely who we will end up following.
As a life long member of The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints (nicknamed Mormon, because of The Book of Mormon) I want to ask: What does it mean to be “Christian” if a belief in and reliance upon Jesus Christ as my Savior and Redeemer does not qualify? What constitutes a “Christian” if faith in Jesus Christ, His life, death, resurrection, miracles, teachings doesn’t count? I believe the Bible is the word of God, as does the entirety of my church. So please, explain to me how you, or any “Christian” religion can conclude that “Mormons are not Christian” if the fundamentals of Christianity apply. Thank you. 😁
I'm a member of the church of Jesus Christ of latter Day saints as well. Any other Christians may jump in if they think I'm wrong with what I'm about to explain here. The definition of God for the majority of Christianity comes from creeds. Particularly the Nicene creed which was written by a bunch of Christians getting together to define God in around 400 AD. This is where the Trinity idea comes from, that The Father, The Son, and the Holy Ghost are all of one substance without physical form. The LDS church teaches that the three beings are distinct beings and that God the Father does indeed have a body, as well as Christ. The holy Spirit does not have a body. But it is because of these differences that all the rest of Christianity claims us to be "polytheists" or to believe in "a different Jesus." I personally would say that it's interesting that of all the possible titles that God could have, he chose The Father. Jesus prays to the father, asks blessings of the father, and returns to the father. I don't know how the rest of Christianity explains this. But in the end, it is okay to disagree. I know that I'm a Christian because I believe in Christ. Christ is the Savior. And no one else is going to tell me who I am. I hope that I have explained it well enough. Take care brother!
“They have an incorrect understanding of what the bible is talking about?” He clearly said that he’s been reading and watching debates. He’s not going to take these anonymous gospels, that contradict each other, face value. Look at the time when Jesus lived. You had people making up crazy stories, why can’t this be made up? Because it’s your Lord Jesus who create this universe and all other universe, so he can give himself up to his daddy for 3 days,.
If it were made up it's the first historical narrative fiction ever made in history, and the people that made it up went through a lot of trouble to get the fine details accurate way more often than not. I deny that there are any meaningful contradictions in the Gospels that can't easily be accounted for by saying different people remembered things slightly differently from their own perspective.
He didn't phrase it well. I think his point is why does there have to be so much search for evidence in order to believe something that God should have made perfectly evident for everyone, in light of the fact that He wants all to be saved. And no, God's existence is not evident to everyone, even if Paul states that. Some people truly want to believe, are desperate because they cannot believe, and beg God to make them believe... but they still end up not being able to believe.
@@lucianseekinglove I just don't buy that. I think it comes down to hubris. The atheistic position is so much more ridiculous than the GOD explanation, which is usually the hang up. Rhett and Link's "deconversion" is even less impressive or persuasive. They went to Hollywood and, since most people there are LGTV adjacent, they gave up their beliefs to satisfy their need to be liked: it's as simple as that. Their "arguments" are all emotion because, since the Bible is very clear on the subject, they would rather be seen as "compassionate" than stand on truth. There is too much corroboration in the gospel accounts, too many eye witnesses that could have easily said "Yeah that isn't how this happened", not to mention the disciples themselves going from out and out cowards who fled to so fervent in their belief and that they saw what they saw that, save John, they all died horrible deaths. They didn't do it for money, they all died destitute, so why the change of heart? If you want to believe that everything came from nothing, that life can somehow come from un-life, then you have an even larger burden of proof than the Christian ever does: All that science has now is theoretical science and nothing that we can use induction to come to a conclusion because it isn't able to be replicated. Not my opinion on this either, I've interacted with a few honest atheists who will admit this. It's just an excuse, as Dawkins put it, to keep the divine foot out of the door.
@@Gannecus86There is no corroboration whatsoever, look up the synoptic problem, they all copied each other. The alleged eyewitnesse were illiterate fishermen who did not know of Gospels written on the other side of the Empire. The evidence for most of these deaths is incredibly poor because they happened 30 years later because thay had nothing to do with the resurrection. That's just the God of the gaps and it's not even evidence for Christianity at any rate.
@@Gannecus86 , I don't know about Rhett and Link (although Rhett said that he deconverted several years ago, long before they became famous), and I don't see why one would have to deconvert at Hollywood, as there are numerous actors and actresses who openly speak about their Christian faith and thank God even at the Oscars. What I do know is my personal experience. I sought God for years, read the Bible, prayed almost daily, but when I applied the promises of Jesus to my life, they failed time and time again. My health and life got worse, almost no answered prayers, only misery, anxiety, depression, chronic pain, disabilities, singleness, poverty, and the list goes on... A God Who has the power to help me, but chooses to watch me beg Him for years without helping me, is not a God I want to serve. It's not hubris. It's reason. He Himself said in the Bible that He wants a relationship based on mutual service. We do our part and He does His. He did not do His part in my life.
@lucianseekinglove I was that person. RUclips has offered a lot of information that is easily consumable about this subject. I became a follower of Christ 6 months ago bc of it. And Rhett.. someone who admittedly has all the time in the world for podcasts hasn't watched a Dr Frank Turek Q and A? No Dr David Wood debates with Muslims? He never listened to some good Ole Cliffe Knechtle? He never heard a Mike Winger zinger? He never looked into the evidence and that's his ego. The evidence is more than enough nowadays and arguably was enough 1,000 years ago.... 500 years ago and 20 years ago. But it's who ate we getting our information from is the deciding factor. Lazy pastors would be a root cause. The problem is.. Are people looking for it practically or with their feelings? Older folks like Rhett I can understand being disappointed in their church leaders for not giving good enough answers... I can understand being upset bc certain nagging questions still never got answered by pastors.... IN THE PAST. But today?? You can fall down a rabbit hole for 3 days and find christ without a shadow of a doubt.. hence my conversion. (Took more than 3 days but you get it) I tested the Bible against LDS teachings, Jehovahs Witnesses, Hinduism, Buddhism and Catholicism and what it boiled down to was me who and intentions. I didn't want it to be right or wrong. 1.) Did I drop my ego first before my search and was i open to the idea I could be wrong? 2.) Am I seeing the bigger picture? (Know them by their fruits) 3.) Do I have the legitimate facts address upon by even the atheists of the field of research so that there is no conflict of interest? I don't like the kids question bc it very much IS a logical and reasonable thing to believe in and it was NEVER supposed to be based on how you felt. That's all
This is what happens when people choose apostasy. Whatever they had, whatever they KNEW about spiritual things gets taken away from them. I see this too often for words. Someone rejects Christ after having been a part of a church, and then a short time later, they know almost nothing about what they claimed to believe. And the words of Christ are proven true; "flesh and blood did not reveal these things to you, but the Spirit of God. " And also " To him who has much, more will be given to him, and to him who has little, even what he has will be taken away from him." I've got multiple friends who have walked away, and whenever I've asked them specific questions about their former faith, and about revelations they proclaimed TO ME about Christ's amazing love and grace, their answers now invariably follow the pattern of " I don't know, man. "
I was listening to an old comedy program on the radio the other week, and one of the characters, played by Geoffrey Palmer, answered some comment with the very dry and assertive statement that ..." for a start, the resurrection of Jesus was a rumour put about by a small group of alcoholic fishermen." ! I couldn't stop laughing...
The problem arises when you use the Bible as your evidence for Jesus/God. No atheist sees this as scientific evidence. Same reason why you wouldn’t accept that Allah is real because it says in the Qur’an
I remember watching the video where they were denouncing their faith and turning their backs on God. It actually hurt my heart and was sad. I enjoyed watching their content for many many years and ever since then I just can’t bring myself to watching them ever again. May they find God once again and cling to Him as tightly as a baby to its mother lest they become lost again.
@16:50 people love to make the past look stupid, like no one in the past could read or write or think... That ignorant statement by Rhett just proves how incoherent and ignorant he is...
Nate I respect your opinion and that's why I ask if you could do something on Orthodox vs Prodestant, Evangelic, Catholic? I listened to a man who did an interview with Maria Zeee, and he basically believes if you are not Orthadoxial, you are not worshipping God correctly?
"Faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen." when you see that it doesn't mean that you believe without evidence, what Hebrews is saying is this: Faith is the conviction, so the question is "conviction of what?" the things hoped for, which is the things that are not seen. Conviction can come about from a multitude of different things, primarily being "evidence" as evidence can take shape of multiple things
It was evidence that convinced me. It was accepting the truth that changed me. I feel for many that grew up in the church and were inoculated with a watered-down version of faith that later makes them immune to the truth.
The problem is that they were part of the college campus for Christ. It's sad that they got so far in the leadership without belief and sound teaching. He changed because he tried pushing a dying friend to faith and now feels bad because he did not show love. He won't stay on topic either or really on the original language.He is angry and was taught the Bible in little catch phrases, not by context, and never taught good hermeneutics.
”They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.“ I John 2:19
I will write this in the most unbiased way I can, Rhett didn't say that no one asked specifically, he was using the majority ideals (what most people believed then). It is a fact that in the 19th century most people believed because they were told, in fact if you questioned the things you were being told you would most likely be punished for it. Of course people did because skepticism has always been around, but not always has it been ok to be skeptical. The uploader then says that he will let him finish his thought, and then proceeds to not let him. Rhett's point after this was that we are in a time where we can look at everything we have gathered from the people who have written the books of the bible, scrolls, books removed from the Bible ect. The uploader fails to understand this point while seeming condescending toward Rhett. Rhett also does not say that because of this information there is no reason to believe, it just gives more resources to form an opinion. Not unlike any other issue. Saying that Mormonism isn't a religion to evangelicals and other denominations and branches is not always correct so I'll say that both parties are a little incorrect because I've met and talked to Christians that believe Mormons believe the same way they do and sometimes are correct in that belief. And evangelicals aren't being singled out. If you did research into Rhett and Link's deconstructions further you would have found that they were evangelicals and that's why they are talking about them. Also I could be wrong, but the uploader seems to have either skipped or deleted the first sections of the Ear Biscuits video from his video. (I could be incorrect). I also have an issue with the uploader insinuating that the eye witness claims are first hand witnesses, those books were written YEARS after the events were said to take place. The argument in which the uploader's friend is a homicide detective while being a sort of gold argument, the difference with the cases now and whether the bible and Christianity is true is homicide cases aren't cold for 2,000 years. Thinking that those time frames are anywhere close for cases such as these is ludicrous. Also saying that this video by Rhett and Link is meant to deter someone from believing or not believing is again, ludicrous. In the very video the uploader is watching they say they are not trying to do so. Which makes me believe that the uploader just looked at the chapters of the video and just skipped the first bit. THIS IS NOT A DEBATE VIDEO, IT IS A STORY ABOUT RHETT'S DECONSTRUCTION. I also could be wrong about this but he seems to be watching the video on a faster speed hitting the points he actually pays attention to. I personally believe in the excerpt the uploader reads about Thomas around the second time he reads it (time stamp 17:47), Jesus is a loving being and maybe, possibly just wants to see one of his disciples and friends? Jesus wouldn't show up just to prove a point, that's not how he is. And I'm sure I'm not the first to say this. You cannot use the bible to defend the bible, same as you can't use a science book to defend that same science book. Uploader also strays from the video, making this a debate WHICH IT IS NOT.
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Rhet's explination is a perfect example of what Paul meant when he said, "Althpugh they claim to be wise, they became fools & exchanged the glory of the imortal God for images..." I pray that they find the way back to The God of The Bible/ to Jesus Christ & find healing for the pain that caused them to deconstruct in the first place.
Yeah ... 😢
Well said. That's exactly what I thought of as well.
Or more recently when GK Chesterton said, “They have educated themselves into imbecility.”
They never knew Him in the first place bud. Some of us were picking up on this in 2012
I think you’re making it clear you haven’t really listened to what Rhett actually has to say as well as his whole journey and experience to get where he is now. There’s several hours of podcast material addressing how he got where he is, and even as someone who’s still a Christian (like myself) it’s a very valuable listen.
Some people decide they are just “too smart” to be Christian.
Rhett moved to LA where he is surrounded by "spiritual" and selfish self absorbed people.
He didn't quite know his faith.
He is surrounded by people who say he's stupid for believing in a God when you ARE a God....
It was enevitable
Yup great comment. I feel more often than not it boils down to accountability.
The nature of the beast does not want to be faced with accountability.
Romans 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
to me, as someone who used to watch them, they traded god for mammon. about 99% of their audience is the "woke" crowd. think of how their ratings would drop if they said they believed in God.
@@p.shermanfortytwowallabyla9488 your name lol. for some reason, i was walking through the grocery store the day before yesterday, thinking about finding nemo and i was trying to remember that address lol.
That pride is exactly what got Lucifer cast out of heaven
I can't imagine that the disciples just thought it was great to be martyred for something that they didn't believe. They KNEW who Jesus was and they were willing to die for it.
First problem: We don’t know if any of them actually did “Die” for their beliefs, as they all disappear from history, outside of church traditions, besides John, James, and Peter
2nd: willingness to die for their beliefs does not mean the beliefs are facts. Branch Davidians, Heaven’s Gate, 9/11 hijackers, suicide bombers, martyrs from all faiths around the world throughout history were willing do die for their beliefs. Does that make them true? They can’t all be true.
3rd: What we have knowledge of is the stories that were written by people who are unknown to history, who wrote between 30-100 years after the events, and the stories grew as time progressed, as evidenced by the differences between Gospel according to Mark (65CE) and Gospel According to John (90-120CE), and everything in between.
Whether the Apostles were willing to die, doesn’t prove their beliefs were true, any more than the beliefs that The Heaven’s Gate Away Team met up with Do trailing behind the comet.
@@jackaltwinky77Will this guy or anyone else who follows this channel take the least time to consider your thoughtful response? Nope! It’s a shame really.
I consider myself a believer, but the way my fellow believers behave when it comes to intellectual topics is disgusting. They aren’t interested in challenging themselves or stimulating their minds. They want the appearance of truth and reason, but deny its power. To use a Bible verse they love to use against others who don’t think like them: “Professing to be wise, they became fools.”
@@jackaltwinky77 response to the first problem: yes we do there are historical documents outside of the Bible that attest to James’ death, Peter, Paul, and we even have documents that attest to John’s attempted execution in oil.
Secondly: I also agree that willingness to die isn’t enough of a proof for something.
@@Travis_Rosenthal Except we don't... other than James, who was killed in what is likely a politically motivated way (not necessarily for his religion), Peter, Paul, John, and all the rest disappear from history.
There's Church Traditions that place them in Rome, possibly under the impact of Nero and his blaming of Christians, but they're not recorded by anyone outside of the church...
The story of John is from Tertulian, 100 years later, but no one of the newly converted christians within the coliseum thought to write down their new found faith...
Or Domitian writing about it, cause you'd think that someone not dying and then converting hundreds or thousands of people immediately would be cause for a letter or a monument to the miracle.
Instead we have nothing for a century.
No reliable historical source talks about the fates of the apostles.
The only one that is definitive is James, Peter and Paul are Probable, and the rest are pure mysteries lost to time.
@@Travis_Rosenthal Your right, but as with any case study, it's about an accumulation of surrounding evidence to add to an over all credibility. And when you consider that they died for what they claimed to have SEEN not just believed, forsaking an abundance of wealth and riches(thus indicating a desire not to be wealthy from thier claims), persecuted, tortured and finally matryed it does give it quite some credibility. Add this to the manuscript evidence that surpasses any writings of the Roman Emperor of that time even along with disgraceful inclusions like Peter being rebuked by Jesus and Paul, Paul Paul admitting to struggling with his flesh and not posing to be some perfectly innocent moral standard...it seems more likely that these first century believers were really struggling with what they witnessed but they couldn't deny it and had to speak about it.
Since they have rejected Christ, they are treating the faith like an ex. They have to hate her because they cannot stand being wrong and they have to build that negative stereo type to justify their decisions.
I never saw the evidence of Christ in them. I was surprised to find out they were Christians. Less surprised to find out now they are not. They are childish and absurd with their previous embrace of "faith" and now their embrace of "rationality".
Bahahahhaha
"We didn't have scholars. Most people couldn't read." made me actually LOL
Yeah, like dude have you read a book about church history, ever?
There were scholars who could read during the time of Christ. Rhet might not truly understand history.
agreed. he seems to have a belief that we never had intellectual ability to question until the 1900s. It is an odd combination of presentism and the flynn effect merged with a total disregard for history and scholars as a whole and specifically those of the faith. I always found it interesting that Christianity exploded in the area most known for great philosophy and reasoning. It was almost like they encountered the answer to all their questions in the death and resurrection of Jesus.
Even crazier that a huge amount of the reason we CAN read commonly now is BECAUSE Christians (protestants, specifically) wanted everyone to be able to study the Bible. But even before then WAY plenty people were literate, and the literate ones were so to a much higher degree than what passes for basic today.
That’s just the standard “people were dumb back then” mentality pop atheists have which they never feel the need to question or substantiate beyond pointing out that nobody had iPhones in the Bronze Age.
Paul definitely told us to seek evidence. He showed we have nothing to hide. Faith means I trust in God to make good on all of His promises because He has proven He is trustworthy.
It is very odd for me to watch people "deconstruct" since I was not raised in a Christian home. Jesus kicked in my door many times but I was 31 years old when the gospel (which I heard many times before) clicked for me. When I was confronted with just some level of the glory of God I found myself worried because the only Christians I encountered were hypocrites or couldn't defend their faith. Through the reading scripture and listening to teachings from Tim Keller, CS Lewis, Dr. John Lennox, R.C. Sproul, etc. I was left with the reality of how blind I truly was to the truth that was always there. Some would say that Rhett is apostate or was never a believer and I prefer not to assume I can read man's heart, but anyone who walks away didn't encounter Jesus' goodness, mercy, or love the way I did. I spent years trying to understand the 'what' or 'why' behind life, pain, purpose, suffering, love, etc. and it was not until that question changed to a 'Who' that I got the answer. Rhett and Link are currently being used as a merchants of old lies that started at the garden from the serpent. I pray that God humbles and redeems them publicly to show how great He truly is. At the least, I pray they turn to the Lord before it is too late. Thanks for your dedication to the ministry, Nate. I would love chat with you sometime.
The thought of Jesus breaking down your door in order to share His goodness with you gave me a hearty chuckle.
Thank you for sharing this.
Amen.
I think Rhett’s argument sounds so good because the way he is speaking is as if he were in a debate or forum, but is getting no reply to any statements or questions. It makes him sound strong.
We need the Rhett and Link VS Cliffe Knechtle crossover episode
I feel like that is the Christian version of Internet Blood Sports. 😂
@@TGuard00014 bring it on
That would be soo sick
Nate, thanks for this so much. I used to love these guys but Ive been seeing a lot of videos where they stray from God and all I can do is pray for their return to Him. Thanks for what you do
I used to watch them everyday with my children...but not only have they sold out and become very worldly and they both are very narcissistic(Rhett more so then Link), but there is a TON of immature sexual content in alot of their stuff now too, and it's no longer appropriate for my children and I don't watch them very much at all anymore either. It's a shame really
It's really hard moving on from content creators, as weird as it may seem to people who don't spend much time online. It's like moving on from a friend you loved deeply. From my experience, I can assure you that there's always another creator who you will enjoy spending time watching instead, if not more. If you still want that and haven't found one who is biblically sound or at least not outwardly anti-Christian, ask God for a better option. Some people might think that's a silly thing to ask God for, but realistically, do you think God would want you to keep engaging with something that takes glory away from him? God is more than capable of helping you find something that fills that void. Perhaps it's a new hobby irl you can do with your children, or perhaps it is another content creator. Thank God that was revealed to you and you had the strength to let it go, even in part. I used to watch Philip De Franco every day for years to get my news, but then he started chastising Christians needlessly every day so I stopped watching. I didn't even realize what a negative impact it was having on me until I stopped watching it. It was all very small things, but it made a huge positive impact leaving it in the past. It does hurt, but count it all joy! God has a plan for the smallest things in your life, like that!@@TheVaporater
(You probably don't need to read this but I figured I would write it out in full for someone who does. I'm a pretty new born again Christian so take my words with a grain of salt, God bless!)
@@TheVaporateryea exactly!
I think you can still enjoy and watch them but just know when to see where they fall short.
@@Repti-verseyou can’t just trust them anymore to watch with your children. Like the previous person said, they have a lot of content infused in there that’s totally inappropriate. Even as an adult, it upsets me when they throw that stuff in there. It’s such a lazy cheap sell out trick that they didn’t always have.
Im not a pastor or even a Biblical scholar, but Ive studied enough to dispute EVERYTHING he's said here. They went to Hollywood and lost their faith and all I keep thinking is that they are dragging their families (wives and children) into Hell with them. I pray they they find their way back because they are leading so many astray and the judgement for that will be terrible indeed.
Just be aware that Paul stated that those who leave the assembly of the brethren never belonged in the first place because they didn't believe!
I thought the same. They moved to a leftist run cesspool and were guilted into losing their faith.
@@kathierouse6046pretty sure you are referring to 1 John 2:19? But yeah that is correct
@@kathierouse6046That's not true of every person who falls away
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Well… that’s just an unjustified opinion of Paul.
I always get a strange, condemning look from Christians when I say to them " I don't need faith to believe in God, His existence is obvious. I need faith to trust Him."
So why aren’t you Christian then?
Why don’t you trust God?
@@Devout214 Being a Christian requires a lot of other believes, such as the belief that God is all good. Simply believing that there is a god doesn't make you a Christian.
@@KingGrim_ that’s not exactly what I was asking, I guess I could’ve worded it better.
I was trying to ask why he didn’t trust God.
@@KingGrim_ So if you believe in GOD or have Faith in GOD and you say that doesn't make you a Christian, then what are you?
@@lauarascott Believing in a god could be a lot of different religions, but generally it just makes you a theist.
I think this is why continued Bible study and prayer is so important. These guys are young to have turned away from their faith that they grow up in. I mean, when I was a young adult, like 18-20 I began to have doubts and start to deconstruct, but from there I decided to dig deeper and deeper into the Bible and find more and more. I have barely scratched the surface now and it’s been about 10 years. But the more I get into it the more I understand and the stronger er my faith becomes. My advice for anyone doubting is to keep reading, don’t just abandon it because you never know what you’re misunderstanding. RUclips videos like this are helpful as well.
These guys also believe that everyone in the faith has not looked deeper or searched for evidence. It’s a bit arrogant.
When you asked what we think, before you explained it, I had already came to your conclusion of it. Even someone who has recently died can only be proven by their family’s testimony, pictures and perhaps videos. This new “deconstruction” is just the latest mess Satan is using to draw believers away from gospel truths. Good video, Nate. Thank you, brother 🙏
But even that evidence can be dismissed as forgeries. If you don't want to believe something, then there is no amount of evidence that can be presented that will convince you.
A few years ago when Rhett and Link did a podcast of how they deconstructed, I listen to it and had doubts myself. They were the main reason I fell from God and deconstructed myself. I can confidently say it was just my feelings and the lack of knowledge just because there’s no evidence, or something just didn’t add up. And I also wanted validation for my sin.
Going into today I have been saved again and back in my faith.
Crazy how just because you have lack of information some people can seem so smart and like they have all the answers, now watching videos like this, they clearly don’t understand God or the Bible, and weren’t really in their faith to begin with.
Which is exactly why it is SO IMPORTANT for Believers to study the Scriptures DAILY, so as not to be led astray by false doctrines and false prophets.
Not to mention, all the other disciples and apostles believed because they had seen the risen Lord. Paul believed because the Lord appeared to him. Thomas is not unique in that he believed only because he had seen the Lord - that is the case with all the people in Paul’s list in 1 Cor. 15.
Likewise, Hebrews 11 talks about OT saints who believed in a messiah promised by God who had yet been revealed, and yet they were saved by faith in the promised one not yet seen but hoped for.
There's a great book called "The Deconstruction of Christianity" by alissa childers and tim barnet that breaks down how the deconstructionist movement works and how the people are not using scripture or other sources to ground it but their feelings.
And Satan absolutely knows this. That's why Jeremiah warns us not to ever trust our hearts. That is Satan's goal, get us to trust our hearts. Because it is deceitfully wicked, who can know it?
I saw Tim Barnett promote that book on Sean Mcdowell's channel and he was oddly denying that Jesus was a child sacrifice because he was an adult, as if he weren't God's only begotten son.
Desconstruction started hundreds of years ago then cause the Christians of today seem to base everything on feelings and twist the scriptures.
@@tomasrocha6139I think it's because saying child sacrifice implies that one is sacrificing a "child" ie someone under eighteen. The Bible never really calls Christ God's "child" because there is a sense in which the Son, eternally begotten of the Father, was never a child (apart from when he was incarnate). At the time of the crucifixion, He wasn't a child anymore.
People use the term "child" sacrifice because it has a huge emotional impact.
I would suggest saying "human sacrifice" instead... But then Jesus wasn't just human, technically. So in a sense, I guess we just have to be careful how we word things.
My humble opinion.
This how Satan has deceived many cause they waiting to see deconstruction when they was raised in and r already part of it just like the great falling away they r waiting to see it when they r actually part of it and that's deception at its finest and yes even if u r an adult I r still someone's child/kid.
"If Joseph Smith said he was a prophet, why dont you just have faith?" I literally said, out loud, that makes no sense. His argument to the layman/uninformed makes sense. But biblically, it's nonsensical.
Rhett Is the perfect example of somebody that thinks they are smarter than they really are.
Dunning Kruger in full display 🤦🏽
I used to watch their show and it’s a running joke on the show that he’s a “know-it-all”
In a podcast years back, when Rhett and Link first talked about their new found atheism (of course they do EVERYTHING together), it seems as if it's because their long time assistant Stevie is a same-sex attracted woman, and they believed that the faith that they espoused went against her lifestyle and identity so they threw that away to be an "ally" to her. I don't know if that's the main reason but it's one of them.
But have you noticed Link has a feminine spirit around him.
@@lauarascottWhen I used to watch them my mom always said that…
@@servingcant She is right
Is this somehow a problem?
@@lauarascottSome men are more feminine than others, what's your point?
Jesus is NOT satans brother as mormons say. Argument over
Sounds like a claim that needs to be backed up by evidence 😂
Nate, I hope you read your comments. James White has done several recent debates that I'd love to hear you comb over. The 2 debates vs Trent Horn (sola scriptural/purgatory) would be great, but the one I want to hear most is your take on the White vs Tuggy debate on, "is Jesus Yahweh?" There have been victories proclaimed by both sides on that one. God Bless.
Now those sound like must watches, I'm on it 👍
Yes those are most likely coming soon! 👊🏼
Awesome, thanks for the quick reply.
People thought Tuggy won that debate??? Yikes 😬
@@brando3342I think you can give it to him that he handled himself fairly well in cross ex in the sense that James had a hard time pinning him apart from the issue of John's account of Isaiah's vision, but that's about it.
Years ago when they turned away from Christianity, I watched some of their videos explaining why they become agnostic. It was evident from their statements that they had a poor understanding of Christianity and never stood firm in their beliefs.
I think the argument of the disciples's changed lives and willingness to die for the Gospel, which wouldn't have happened had the resurrection been a lie, is a compelling argument.
Also the insanely rapid spread of the church.
So many people just gloss over the distinction between faith and blind faith.
Would you trust a stranger you met yesterday to pick you up from school as much as you would trust your mother? In either case, you have “zero proof” that they definitely will pick you up until it happens.
The difference being that your mom has a track record. She has evidence supporting her reliability.
Also they had the shroud, from then to now, which is the most studied thing in the history of things, and it keeps showing the wonders of God no matter how high we climb technologically.
Yes! The shroud is a bona-fide miracle and most don't know about it or think it's a catholic relic
Im 70 Nate. I so much appreciate the perspective you add, both in debates and pastoral critique. This 'faith deconstruction' movement is deeply troubling. It used to be that when those who had major flaws in their conversion to Christianity from the beginning fell away, they typically surfaced as atheist-former Christians if they surfaced at all.
Now, with this deconstruction trend, they seem more bent on bringing their new enlightenment to others, ostensibly to free them from the deceiving burdens of Christianity.
First, i deeply question those who claim to have been Christian by then openly reject Jesus Christ. I backslid for several years as a new, young Christian 50 years ago, but i never,ever once doubted Christ. I could be wrong, but it seems to me that anyone who has experienced that love in your heart can ever overtly reject it.
Using doubt and faith as a tool to develop unbelief strikes me as incredibly deceptive. Except the things in life that can be proven beyond any reasonable doubt, all of history and past events' integrity hinges upon a level of faith.
A comparison to Joseph Smith and his revelation is ludicrous. His witnesses cannot hold a candle to not just the Apostles, but also dozens, if not hundreds who saw Jesus first hand after his resurrection.
Similar back sliding.
I doubted for sure, and was surrounded at work by some cynical atheists.
But I never could quite bring myself to deny Jesus.
I was always like, well maybe, he does seem authoritative.
Thanks Nate for your time and effort to bring the truth to us all. Really appreciate your hard work to share the scriptures exactly as written. Amen
In regards to Thomas,
Last year, during a homily, a Catholic priest said that he doesn't see Thomas as a doubter, but as a heart broken man that could not bear to hear the news that a man he loved so much could have returned just to be heart broken, again, if it werent true. The priest took an interestingly charitable view of Thomas.
My dad’s a preacher (retired now), and I remember a couple of different times he said that Thomas just wanted the same evidence the other guys got. They saw Him eat, could see and touch the wounds, so it was easy for them to believe He was alive. Without that, Thomas may have thought they were playing a sick joke or had cracked under the grief.
Never thought of it like that before. Thanks for sharing ❤
Prayers for all those caught up in the world and worldly ways of thinking, trusting in worldly ideas; Rhett's faith, his trust, is in himself, in the scholars he likes, and that is why his faith is now as shown.
You mean " shipwrecked"? I agree
Well... Given Earth... Religions amuse me. Human designs to be dusted in time. One species out of infinite others.
Hey Nate. Love your videos and how they’ve helped me grow spiritually. My apologies if I missed this but can you expound upon what the Biblical definition of faith is if Hebrews 11:1 is NOT the definition. Follow up question, if the verse literally says “faith IS…” can you explain how that isn’t the definition because it seems to be a definition even when reading it carefully. One thing that I see implied is that the conviction and hope are in fact based on evidence and NOT blind (as most secular definitions would assume that faith is blind). Any clarification would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again for your ministry and everything you’re doing.
Unfortunately these guys are another example of “Christians “ who deconstructed their “faith” because they became too famous and couldn’t handle the Christian world view vs the non Christian world view questions. Instead of diving into the word they took a hard left. I pray for them because they have influenced many to walk down this same path and it’s very sad
And became friends with homosexuals and they couldn't tell them they were in the wrong. He specifically said this in his first video talking about "leaving" the faith
@@philipbolin6776 Rhett even says early on in the video, "we're products of our environment". Yeah, Hollywood is where Christianity goes to die basically. They became too famous, became influential to young people confused by their gender and sexuality, and didn't have the proper courage to tell them to "go and sin no more".
@@thejuniorseas7683 or even in a sinner as well and won't attack you and still be friendly without compromising his beliefs. But his ease in which he left the faith, says his faith wasn't strong to begin with
@@philipbolin6776 That why Link has feminine spirit all over him.They both carry such an ungodly spirit.
"Once you have made the World an end, and faith a means, you have almost won your man, and it makes very little difference what kind of worldly end he is pursuing." ~ Uncle Screwtape [C.S. Lewis]
This is a brilliant RUclips channel. Thank you for everything you do and for strengthening my faith
Thank you for the video brother. To God be all the praise and glory!
I like the way the NIV words Hebrews 11:1:
“Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.”
Simply put, faith is trust, confidence, or belief in a person, idea, or concept.
If I ask my wife to pick up my dry cleaning on her way home from work and she agrees to do so, I have faith that she will pick it up. After the conversation, I don’t feel the need to call and text her repeatedly to make sure she is still going to do it. Not only do I hope she’ll remember, I’m incredibly confident in that hope enough that I don’t make back up plans to pick it up. I also don’t ask her to prove to me that she’s going to pick it up. Why? Because she has a track record of always being reliable in the past which is one of the many reasons I married her.
If you go on to read the other 39 verses of Hebrews 11, it all commends believers who put their trust in God after He made them promises. They didn’t ask for proof that He would do what He had promised. They didn’t ask for a down payment or spend a ton of time questioning his faithfulness.
Just look at verse 3:
“By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.”
This was written at a time when all of the great thinkers believed the universe had always existed (the Steady State theory.). Turns out, the Bible had it right. None of us were there to actually see it happen, yet even atheists have faith that the universe had a beginning (The Big Bang.)
My hope is in Jesus Christ and the eternal life He has promised me. I have great confidence in that hope even though I can’t place my hands on it or see into the future. I have faith based on all of the evidence I’ve seen and on Jesus’ track record of being faithful.
Amen Bro! Spot on!
No one has hope in the Big Bang, it's a hypothesis that the bible did not get right in any way.
Beautiful said 👏.
I wish I could save comments to my Bible notes
@@meganredmon1191 do you have the Bible app on your phone? I think it’s called the YouVersion Bible in the App Store?
Rhett and Link should have a podcast with Nate and have these discussions. I think if those two heard Nate deconstruction their misled beliefs, it would cause both to come back to God and Christ. I have run across people like Rhett and Link. They know the stories and can quote Scripture yet they have no theological understanding of the Word. I do not debate them because they are not ready to truly hear God’s Word. They are convinced that I should fall away from God. Not going to happen. Nate, thank you for posting this video. I listen to you when exercising and it makes my workouts go so much easier.
"If you are ashamed of me, then I shall be ashamed of you before my father the LORD."
And that is a *terrifying* notion.
Watching from Ireland 🇮🇪. Subscribed. Thanks for sharing the truth to all who seek it. Jesus Christ is the truth and only through him can we be saved. Repent and believe the gospel. The holy spirit will guide us 🙏 All glory and honour belong to our Father God almighty. 🙏 praying for you Nate, that you are blessed with discerning the word so as to teach us all.
2 Peter tells us to add knowledge (and other characteristics) to our Faith. Paul makes it painfully clear that if we believe a lie we are a fool. The fact Rhett mentioned this verse points to a flaw in the argument. The apostles and the early church worked diligently to give accurate accounts and fight those that would corrupt the teachings of Christ. These debates have been on going since the formation of the early church. Rhett makes the error of assuming just because of our technological advancement as a whole that knowledge and a desire for truth and evidence was absent in history. The writings of the church fathers alone prove this idea that no one cared or asked false. His did not argue his point in good faith wether it be intentional or unintentional.
Thanks for covering this Nate!
I remember the day they announced that they were stepping away from God. Up to that point my wife and I had been watching them from the beginning of their RUclips career. I cant explain how heart broken I felt. I may have even shed a few tears.
You're so weak lol
This is the most pathetic thing I've ever read holy shit💀
@@imarock.7662 agreed lol
Why? You don't know them, they don't know you even exsist. And you developed a overly strong emotional connection to someone you never met, which is very unhealthy and creepy
Someone told him that there's no evidence and it's all based on faith and that was enough to destroy any relationship he may have had with God.
the seed that fell upon a rocky terrain.
I guess he just ignores all of the archeological findings that have proven the historical accuracy of some of the Old Testament, and the fact that even atheist archeologists agree how amazingly accurate the information in Luke's gospel and Acts have been found to be.
@@Starlesslight
Meanwhile in reality most secular historians think that the gospels and especially Acts are mostly fiction.
Also… even most Christian historians think that the Exodus of Moses and the conquest of Joshua didn’t happen at all or that the actual historical event had almost nothing in common with the stories in the Bible.
@@Starlesslight Like the Soleb inscription.
@@ramigilneas9274Oh woah, you mean the atheists don't believe the Gospel?!? 😮
Part of me didn't want to watch this video, ngl. I've been a Rhett & Link fan for many years and I remember reading about them leaving the faith back when it first came out, but this really cements it for me. It breaks my heart for them. I pray that their eyes will be opened before it's too late. Thanks for breaking this down for us, Nate!
They talk so angrily and disrespectfully they sound like school children bullying a unpopular child to make themselves feel better.
Rhett and Link never understood, that’s the problem. Let’s pray for them though
I don't expect Rhett and Link to be the ones to establish consistent and a logical flow of thought towards their skepticism and journey of deconstruction. For all Rhett is trying to make it seem that his decision came out from a well thought out, intellectual process, a lot of the things he brings up are misconceptions, inconsistent, or just downright wrong. It's no wonder that they left the faith, when their own faith relied basically upon a false god. Seems more or less that they were cultural Christians more than believers who surrendered legitimately because they were confronted with their brokenness and in need of Jesus. And when it came to them actually exploring the faith instead of just leaning on their cultural religiosity, they relied upon a very relative measuring stick on a misled understanding of what faith is. At the core, this is more probably an issue of personal things they have going on internally than a real scientific/intellectual thing that they make it seem out to be, else they'd understand the inconsistencies of their own arguments that are pointed out.
They've been recruited into the Hollywood Cabal. The moment they started to hit it big, and were guests on Jimmy Fallon, it was a sign that they drank the Hollywood Kool-Aid. Then they started to add questionable content to their RUclips show. I stopped letting my kids watch it, because I as a Christian, didn't like the messages behind their antics.
It’s exactly how the Cabal industry was set up to be, in case God-fearing people in entertainment got big enough that the only way to “level-up” to the next influencers financial bracket… a sacrifice must be made. Take Katy Perry or Chris Pratt for example and many many more
Nate this is fascinating subject matter as usual. I think that the testimony of the disciples is all he proof we need because the Bible is the the word of God. The most important thing is having faith in Jesus Christ which evident in the beautiful world around us and the birth of newborn baby and so much more.
Rhett has a guilty conscience about excusing his lack of faith and giving it a definition to pardon his blindness
I’ve gotta say, you handled that very well, and I fully agree! Truthfully, we need to first distinguish what the meaning of faith is. It’s not just a process of thought, it’s an action. “Faith without works is dead”, “Faith is the SUBSTANCE of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen”. When we have an encounter with God, and he reveals himself to us through the gospel, it causes us to change in our life where we live what we believe. God actually motivates us to search for knowledge and to be able to show why we believe. 2 Timothy 2:15
Rhett is right, influence has a lot to do with why humans believe the things that we do, but if he thinks he’s not under the influence of the world with the pull of RUclips Hollywood, he’s sadly mistaken.
The real question is where is the evidence for nothing turning into something.
Im a Mormon and a Christian is someone who follows Christ. And that's what we do, we still pray in his name, we have sacrament. Heck We got painting and statues of Jesus on walls and tables. And there is whole lot of proof of the bible and even in the Book of Mormon from Scientist and Archaeologist.
Mormonism is a cult.
@@prestonworkman6698I don't get why some people say, 'xyz is a cult', expecting that to mean something. Mormonism is, at this point as well established as any Christian faith. To belittle it in this way is useless.
@@kellystone7501 I was a previous member. After living it, and now seeing it on the outside, it is indeed a cult.
@@prestonworkman6698 So what do you mean by 'cult'? I'm curious to know why Mormonism is a cult but Islam or Catholicism isn't.
@@kellystone7501 they are a cult because they purposely hide the truth from its members to keep them. I was told my entire life not to read anything that was “anti Mormon” because it would shake my faith and cause me to fall away from god and would hurt my relationship with Christ. I was always told not to read the CES letters so that I wouldn’t look into the truth myself. They oppress and lie to keep you in line as a cult does.
They just seem to be skimming the surface in a pop culture way , with no true depth
First. What Jesus says to Thomas about those who believe and have not seen. That’s not a warning, it’s a blessing for the future church. Hebrews11:1 is about exercising faith in spite of the circumstances. And at the right time God will reward you for your faith with evidence. 1 peter 3:15 as a witness to his glory. Also God rewards our faith with evidence so we may be encouraged that we do not walk alone.
Rhett, keep that same energy.
Great content, loving this channel more and more. It’s just an interesting conversation.
God bless you!!!✝️🕊️
Acts 4:12 LSB "And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.” --- Hebrews 10:26-27 LSB
For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, [27] but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES. --- 1 John 2:19 LSB "They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they were of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be manifested that they all are not of us."
It is wild to me that two men as blessed as Rhett and Link can walk away from the faith that arguably got them to where they are now.
5:27 no, Rhett is showing that he has bought the materialistic framework (metaphysics). For him, evidence can only be right comstituted as physical. A Christian response can be to point out that Rhett does not do this with reason. His faith in reason is a blind one.
Glory to God! Praise Jesus! Our Lord and Saviour! Thank you Holy Spirit!❤
Rhett and link never changed their mind or grew in knowledge. They lived around the bible belt and believed in the same opinions as the people around them. Then, they moved to California and became just as their surroundings were.
these guys changed their location not their ideas
I have no idea who these people are.
Hosts of the popular RUclips channel “Good Mythical Morning”. I think they have like 3 or 4 million subscribers. They used to be outgoing Christians, and have a fan base of young people, for the most part. So, what they say really affects the younger generations.
1 John 2:19 (ESV): They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.
Rhett is probably the best example ive seen of what happens when someone is raised in a church and community that doesnt address pseudo-intellectual challenges to the Christian faith then runs headlong into them as an adult with a child's understanding of things. He should be a very sober warning to Christian parents everywhere.
Thank you. People ask for the evidence of God and it's all around them.
As an ex-atheist, I never understood the absolute NEED for other ex-Christians to evangelize Christians to convert to agnosticism or atheism. If atheism is true and you truly believe that, then literally nothing matters so why do you care if Christians worship their God or Buddhists worship theirs? It literally doesn’t matter what god they worship because one day none of this will exist and it will all have been a wind that passes away with no one left to be concerned about it. In my honest opinion and personal experience, “the only question left for the atheist is the question of suicide.” (Edit: that is an RC Sproul quote, just so he gets credit)
Just because you need religion as a crutch to get the hope, meaning and purpose that you failed to find otherwise in your life doesn’t mean that everyone else also fails to do so.
Obviously it doesn’t logically follow that just because nothing matters forever that therefore nothing matters at all… but that’s a clear sign that you believe for emotional reasons.😉
It's because misery loves company
This was awesome. Makes me more open to believe God wants us to walk in signs and wonders and not feel that desiring them is wrong.
True. The reason Jesus reprimands the Pharisees in the bible for asking for a sign is because He has been producing the signs throughout His ministry-so not because it’s bad but because the Pharisees were being stubborn. They refused to believe in Him out of spite. Nicodemus even admits in John 3 using the word “we” (perhaps hinting his group-the pharisees) know Jesus came from God but chose to antagonize Him because of their jealousy. The Word even tells us to test the spirit of the prophets.
He answered the question. There isn't any amount of evidence for him to believe.
Do you believe in an omniscient, omnipotent God?
@thomasthecommentrater3703 Nice. That didn't really answer the question, though.
@@GregMartin81 I assume you're trying to play the old, tired, trick here. But I'll bite. Sure.
@@mikewilliams6025 what trick? The comment about there's no amount of evidence seems like belief in a weak God. If there's a God that created the universe, I believe he'd be 100% capable and seems to desire to connect with that person, no?
@thomasthecommentrater3703 hmmm...that's a confusing answer. If he knows what will happen in the end, doesn't he knows what you are going to do or not do as well? It doesn't sound like the end outcome is based on your choice, right? It also sounds like you would agree with the omniscient part but it seems not on the omnipotent part. Am I interpreting that correctly? It seems like it is you, me, and society's responsibility to fulfill God's desires, not him intervening, did I understand you correctly?
It would be great to hear your friend Jay talk about his process and his conclusions.
It's crazy to see stuff like this because Rhett and Link were in a Bible study with my parents in college and were invited to my parent's wedding. Knowing how far they've stayed since then hurts my parents and always makes me wonder if any of my friends will go the same way.
I really hope they come back to Christianity. Those would be some powerful testimonies.
It's crazy how every time an influencer caves in to the secular side of their audience, they conveniently get this strawman question of "why do you need evidence?" Then they can burn it with the argument "faith is belief without evidence. But I, an intellectual, require evidence and will not blindly follow." Wild.
Nevermind the countless responses and counters to this argument already on youtube
Hey @WiseDisciple! Love the content! There was a recent debate on John 6 between John White and Leighton Flowers that I would love to see you adjudicate!
The deal with Rhett, having seen several of his podcasts about this: all he does is say he speaks on behalf of "Southern White Evangelical Christianity," because that is what he knows and/or identified with.
Being a Catholic, I see his rants as a criticism of Southern Evangelical Protestantism.
He's knowledgeable of many Biblical teachings, but he's been jaded by the Liberal/Secular left and frames the arguments from that lens.
I have watched his content for 7+ years now. Any social commentaries he's given are extremely progressive.
I'll still watch his content for entertainment, but the subtle wokeness is becoming more apparent.
Yeah. It isn’t so much “subtle” anymore. It’s also coming out in a more “sexual” way, more than usual, which is common for the degenerate left. They idolize depravity.
Basically Rhett and Link are a great example of becoming who you surround yourself with. That accompanied with always wanting to appease the popular majority. They have decided it is more advantageous to their public image to go with the flow and just dump Christ. Which is extremely sad, of course.
This the first time I've seen or heard of these guys. I think of the parable of the seeds, specifically Matt 13:20-22 They have not had good & sound teaching, and did not have a solid root in the word and the thorns of this world has choked out their faith. I feel sorry for them as it will be worse when they stand before Jesus in all his glory and the sudden horror permeates their very being as he tells them to depart from me you worker of inequity. It's sad to see them influencing so many people with their false teaching as well.
I think the deconversion and the introduction of wokeness became inevitable when they moved to California where a lot of the other big youtubers are. They pretty much sealed themselves into an echo chamber without realizing it.
Your voice is an exact blend of Rhett & Link
Its actually really sad how bad Rhett and Link have fallen. I used to watch them alot but one day it was Stevie's birthday and they centered it 100% around her sexuality. They had worn pins and tshirts and made a big deal about her being gay. It was so on the nose and it made me cringe.
They became lemmings for the identity politics game.
Cringe and nauseous, yep.
☝🏼Faith, Patience and Endurance is what we need in these last Days.
I find interesting that Link seems to be just a long for the ride with no real convictions
His personality is definitely a follower. Some people are like that though, I wouldn’t hold it against him so much. However, followers need to be EXTRA careful who they surround themselves with, because that’s likely who we will end up following.
Thank you for this. This has been a reminder to me of the power of influence.
The spirit is missing in action …
As a life long member of The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints (nicknamed Mormon, because of The Book of Mormon) I want to ask: What does it mean to be “Christian” if a belief in and reliance upon Jesus Christ as my Savior and Redeemer does not qualify? What constitutes a “Christian” if faith in Jesus Christ, His life, death, resurrection, miracles, teachings doesn’t count? I believe the Bible is the word of God, as does the entirety of my church. So please, explain to me how you, or any “Christian” religion can conclude that “Mormons are not Christian” if the fundamentals of Christianity apply. Thank you. 😁
I'm a member of the church of Jesus Christ of latter Day saints as well. Any other Christians may jump in if they think I'm wrong with what I'm about to explain here. The definition of God for the majority of Christianity comes from creeds. Particularly the Nicene creed which was written by a bunch of Christians getting together to define God in around 400 AD. This is where the Trinity idea comes from, that The Father, The Son, and the Holy Ghost are all of one substance without physical form.
The LDS church teaches that the three beings are distinct beings and that God the Father does indeed have a body, as well as Christ. The holy Spirit does not have a body.
But it is because of these differences that all the rest of Christianity claims us to be "polytheists" or to believe in "a different Jesus."
I personally would say that it's interesting that of all the possible titles that God could have, he chose The Father. Jesus prays to the father, asks blessings of the father, and returns to the father. I don't know how the rest of Christianity explains this.
But in the end, it is okay to disagree. I know that I'm a Christian because I believe in Christ. Christ is the Savior. And no one else is going to tell me who I am.
I hope that I have explained it well enough. Take care brother!
“They have an incorrect understanding of what the bible is talking about?” He clearly said that he’s been reading and watching debates. He’s not going to take these anonymous gospels, that contradict each other, face value. Look at the time when Jesus lived. You had people making up crazy stories, why can’t this be made up? Because it’s your Lord Jesus who create this universe and all other universe, so he can give himself up to his daddy for 3 days,.
If it were made up it's the first historical narrative fiction ever made in history, and the people that made it up went through a lot of trouble to get the fine details accurate way more often than not.
I deny that there are any meaningful contradictions in the Gospels that can't easily be accounted for by saying different people remembered things slightly differently from their own perspective.
@@vedinthorn not if you’re saying that the Holy Spirit guided them when writing the bible. How can there be contradictions then?
@@Truthseek72563 Being inspired by God doesn't mean He controls your hand and makes you write abject fact.
"...This is a description of what Faith Does..." 🤯 mic drop
"Why do you need so much evidence to believe something?"
Like... what??
He didn't phrase it well. I think his point is why does there have to be so much search for evidence in order to believe something that God should have made perfectly evident for everyone, in light of the fact that He wants all to be saved. And no, God's existence is not evident to everyone, even if Paul states that. Some people truly want to believe, are desperate because they cannot believe, and beg God to make them believe... but they still end up not being able to believe.
@@lucianseekinglove I just don't buy that. I think it comes down to hubris. The atheistic position is so much more ridiculous than the GOD explanation, which is usually the hang up. Rhett and Link's "deconversion" is even less impressive or persuasive. They went to Hollywood and, since most people there are LGTV adjacent, they gave up their beliefs to satisfy their need to be liked: it's as simple as that. Their "arguments" are all emotion because, since the Bible is very clear on the subject, they would rather be seen as "compassionate" than stand on truth.
There is too much corroboration in the gospel accounts, too many eye witnesses that could have easily said "Yeah that isn't how this happened", not to mention the disciples themselves going from out and out cowards who fled to so fervent in their belief and that they saw what they saw that, save John, they all died horrible deaths. They didn't do it for money, they all died destitute, so why the change of heart?
If you want to believe that everything came from nothing, that life can somehow come from un-life, then you have an even larger burden of proof than the Christian ever does: All that science has now is theoretical science and nothing that we can use induction to come to a conclusion because it isn't able to be replicated. Not my opinion on this either, I've interacted with a few honest atheists who will admit this. It's just an excuse, as Dawkins put it, to keep the divine foot out of the door.
@@Gannecus86There is no corroboration whatsoever, look up the synoptic problem, they all copied each other. The alleged eyewitnesse were illiterate fishermen who did not know of Gospels written on the other side of the Empire. The evidence for most of these deaths is incredibly poor because they happened 30 years later because thay had nothing to do with the resurrection. That's just the God of the gaps and it's not even evidence for Christianity at any rate.
@@Gannecus86 , I don't know about Rhett and Link (although Rhett said that he deconverted several years ago, long before they became famous), and I don't see why one would have to deconvert at Hollywood, as there are numerous actors and actresses who openly speak about their Christian faith and thank God even at the Oscars.
What I do know is my personal experience. I sought God for years, read the Bible, prayed almost daily, but when I applied the promises of Jesus to my life, they failed time and time again. My health and life got worse, almost no answered prayers, only misery, anxiety, depression, chronic pain, disabilities, singleness, poverty, and the list goes on...
A God Who has the power to help me, but chooses to watch me beg Him for years without helping me, is not a God I want to serve. It's not hubris. It's reason. He Himself said in the Bible that He wants a relationship based on mutual service. We do our part and He does His. He did not do His part in my life.
@lucianseekinglove I was that person. RUclips has offered a lot of information that is easily consumable about this subject. I became a follower of Christ 6 months ago bc of it.
And Rhett.. someone who admittedly has all the time in the world for podcasts hasn't watched a Dr Frank Turek Q and A?
No Dr David Wood debates with Muslims?
He never listened to some good Ole Cliffe Knechtle?
He never heard a Mike Winger zinger?
He never looked into the evidence and that's his ego.
The evidence is more than enough nowadays and arguably was enough 1,000 years ago.... 500 years ago and 20 years ago. But it's who ate we getting our information from is the deciding factor. Lazy pastors would be a root cause.
The problem is.. Are people looking for it practically or with their feelings?
Older folks like Rhett I can understand being disappointed in their church leaders for not giving good enough answers...
I can understand being upset bc certain nagging questions still never got answered by pastors.... IN THE PAST.
But today?? You can fall down a rabbit hole for 3 days and find christ without a shadow of a doubt.. hence my conversion. (Took more than 3 days but you get it)
I tested the Bible against LDS teachings, Jehovahs Witnesses, Hinduism, Buddhism and Catholicism and what it boiled down to was me who and intentions. I didn't want it to be right or wrong.
1.) Did I drop my ego first before my search and was i open to the idea I could be wrong?
2.) Am I seeing the bigger picture? (Know them by their fruits)
3.) Do I have the legitimate facts address upon by even the atheists of the field of research so that there is no conflict of interest?
I don't like the kids question bc it very much IS a logical and reasonable thing to believe in and it was NEVER supposed to be based on how you felt. That's all
thank you as always mr. sala!
This is what happens when people choose apostasy. Whatever they had, whatever they KNEW about spiritual things gets taken away from them. I see this too often for words.
Someone rejects Christ after having been a part of a church, and then a short time later, they know almost nothing about what they claimed to believe.
And the words of Christ are proven true;
"flesh and blood did not reveal these things to you, but the Spirit of God. "
And also
" To him who has much, more will be given to him, and to him who has little, even what he has will be taken away from him."
I've got multiple friends who have walked away, and whenever I've asked them specific questions about their former faith, and about revelations they proclaimed TO ME about Christ's amazing love and grace, their answers now invariably follow the pattern of " I don't know, man. "
I was listening to an old comedy program on the radio the other week, and one of the characters, played by Geoffrey Palmer, answered some comment with the very dry and assertive statement that ..." for a start, the resurrection of Jesus was a rumour put about by a small group of alcoholic fishermen." !
I couldn't stop laughing...
The problem arises when you use the Bible as your evidence for Jesus/God. No atheist sees this as scientific evidence. Same reason why you wouldn’t accept that Allah is real because it says in the Qur’an
I remember watching the video where they were denouncing their faith and turning their backs on God. It actually hurt my heart and was sad. I enjoyed watching their content for many many years and ever since then I just can’t bring myself to watching them ever again. May they find God once again and cling to Him as tightly as a baby to its mother lest they become lost again.
@16:50 people love to make the past look stupid, like no one in the past could read or write or think... That ignorant statement by Rhett just proves how incoherent and ignorant he is...
Both believers and non-believers are exercising faith! The believer has faith that it's true...the non-believer has faith that it isn't!
This is a silly video lol
Nate I respect your opinion and that's why I ask if you could do something on Orthodox vs Prodestant, Evangelic, Catholic? I listened to a man who did an interview with Maria Zeee, and he basically believes if you are not Orthadoxial, you are not worshipping God correctly?
@gilbertrr
Yeah, don't worry about that claim. It is a lie. Orthodox worship but not the God of the Bible. Period.
Protestant is orthodox. Anything associated with the RCC is apostate
"Faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen." when you see that it doesn't mean that you believe without evidence, what Hebrews is saying is this: Faith is the conviction, so the question is "conviction of what?" the things hoped for, which is the things that are not seen. Conviction can come about from a multitude of different things, primarily being "evidence" as evidence can take shape of multiple things
It was evidence that convinced me. It was accepting the truth that changed me. I feel for many that grew up in the church and were inoculated with a watered-down version of faith that later makes them immune to the truth.
The problem is that they were part of the college campus for Christ. It's sad that they got so far in the leadership without belief and sound teaching. He changed because he tried pushing a dying friend to faith and now feels bad because he did not show love. He won't stay on topic either or really on the original language.He is angry and was taught the Bible in little catch phrases, not by context, and never taught good hermeneutics.
Sure... Or maybe it's just not true.
”They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.“
I John 2:19
I will write this in the most unbiased way I can, Rhett didn't say that no one asked specifically, he was using the majority ideals (what most people believed then). It is a fact that in the 19th century most people believed because they were told, in fact if you questioned the things you were being told you would most likely be punished for it. Of course people did because skepticism has always been around, but not always has it been ok to be skeptical. The uploader then says that he will let him finish his thought, and then proceeds to not let him. Rhett's point after this was that we are in a time where we can look at everything we have gathered from the people who have written the books of the bible, scrolls, books removed from the Bible ect. The uploader fails to understand this point while seeming condescending toward Rhett. Rhett also does not say that because of this information there is no reason to believe, it just gives more resources to form an opinion. Not unlike any other issue. Saying that Mormonism isn't a religion to evangelicals and other denominations and branches is not always correct so I'll say that both parties are a little incorrect because I've met and talked to Christians that believe Mormons believe the same way they do and sometimes are correct in that belief. And evangelicals aren't being singled out. If you did research into Rhett and Link's deconstructions further you would have found that they were evangelicals and that's why they are talking about them. Also I could be wrong, but the uploader seems to have either skipped or deleted the first sections of the Ear Biscuits video from his video. (I could be incorrect). I also have an issue with the uploader insinuating that the eye witness claims are first hand witnesses, those books were written YEARS after the events were said to take place. The argument in which the uploader's friend is a homicide detective while being a sort of gold argument, the difference with the cases now and whether the bible and Christianity is true is homicide cases aren't cold for 2,000 years. Thinking that those time frames are anywhere close for cases such as these is ludicrous. Also saying that this video by Rhett and Link is meant to deter someone from believing or not believing is again, ludicrous. In the very video the uploader is watching they say they are not trying to do so. Which makes me believe that the uploader just looked at the chapters of the video and just skipped the first bit. THIS IS NOT A DEBATE VIDEO, IT IS A STORY ABOUT RHETT'S DECONSTRUCTION. I also could be wrong about this but he seems to be watching the video on a faster speed hitting the points he actually pays attention to. I personally believe in the excerpt the uploader reads about Thomas around the second time he reads it (time stamp 17:47), Jesus is a loving being and maybe, possibly just wants to see one of his disciples and friends? Jesus wouldn't show up just to prove a point, that's not how he is. And I'm sure I'm not the first to say this. You cannot use the bible to defend the bible, same as you can't use a science book to defend that same science book. Uploader also strays from the video, making this a debate WHICH IT IS NOT.
I ended it there because he never finished the video