I personally like the idea of Fisk becoming Mayor of NYC and being the reason for the reformation of the Defenders + characters like Spider-man and Ms. Marvel
I mean, Kingpin WAS the main antagonist in Into the Spider-Verse, and was also a key component of Peter Parker's story in the PS4 Spider-Man game, so it's not like he hasn't been showcased quite a bit recently as a Spider-Man villain for younger audiences, and, as you showed, he was prominent on the 90s Spider-Man cartoon, so I think quite a few people do associate Kingpin with Spider-Man as well as Daredevil
I have always associated him with Daredevil, but I have always been an avid comic book reader, and at the end of the day, Frank Miller himself said that he literally intended to stole as many Spider-Man villains as he could for the Devil of Hell's Kitchen. But in recent years, and largely thanks to the Into the Spider-Verse movie, Kingpin has grown to be more a Spider-Man villain in people's minds than a Daredevil villain. At least, to the public in general. If you grew up watching the 90s Spider-Man cartoon, I'm pretty sure you think of Fisk as a Spider-Man villain. But I'm talking about poeple who got into superheroes thanks to the 2000s X-Men and Spider-Man movies, as well as with the MCU. At least, that's my perception.
It won't really changed that fact that still no a lot of casual marvel fan or movie fan know him as spiderman villain and just because of that he was in a young audience movie or show it doesn't that has to be that case in live action.if anything it will be challenging if we see spider man flim that more like daredevil/old boy type with kingpin or even tombstone will be Wilde
I like the idea of the Netflix shows existing in the MCU. It's a nice way to expand on the world and it's "minor problems". Let the movies and some of its shows be about stuff like intergalactic and multiversal threats while the more down-to-earth stuff be handled by other heroes.
Agreed. These shows feel more intense because they are smaller. The fate of the multiverse is too big to truly comprehend. The fate of several blocks in a city is more understandable.
It’s really a no-brainer to pair Spiderman with Charlie Cox’s Daredevil for a story with Wilson Fisk. It’d mesh well with the post-No Way Home landscape and bring a more grounded story that pairs up two of the best comic duos
I can see Peter reaching out to Matt because he knows something’s up with him after the really great lawyer scene, but interacting with him wouldn’t be painful like trying to reach out to the Avengers would be
I kinda want Spidey to have 3 trilogies, so two more to go. First movie, Spider-Man is bullied by Kraven the Hunter cause he is not good with his Spidey-sense. He then seeks Daredevil's help. Like how Daredevil mentored Blindspot in the comics, he taught Spidey. Second movie is Spider Island, villain, Jackal. Spidey learned to fight without his powers with the help of Shang Chi who help him develop "The Way of the Spider". The third should include Kingpin. Spidey loses, ask help yet again from Daredevil. Daredevil said it isn't enough and they rescue The Punisher from a local gang to ask him to join in. They beat Kingpin together, the end of second trilogy.
Creatively but not financially. What can Sony AND Disney/Marvel do with them that'll bring in billions. Tom seems to want Yelena in the next film. Black cat could be a former black widow turned their for kingpin. That's a lot of marvel sharing with Sony so what can they bring to the table especially after no way home and prior mcu Spidey film's having usually one major mcu character to help Peter like iron man, fury, strange with brief supporting roles for happy, maria hill, and wong. Maybe black suit Spidey? Black cat is something Sony has wanted to lift off the ground since Webb film's.
@@Qwertzalcoatl doesn't include symbiote which was set up in no way at home. Also Sony really wanted to do black cat and her being a former black widow turned working for fisk writes it self. Tom wants to work with Florence so that could be why Yelena enters and lead to Tom Spidey getting the symbiote or flash I guess as agent venom
It’s gonna be exciting. I think Daredevil will take on a mentor role. Like Stark but not in a father figure way. They are def gonna team up against Kingpin (& likely another villain)
This kingpin was truly menacing in daredevil. You felt his presence even offscreen. In Hawkeye it felt like he had to crawl out of the uncanny valley first
I'm reading Devil's Reign right now and I'd be so down with Kingpin just straight up becoming the mayor of NY, basically turning him into a point of convergence for all the street-level characters There's also obviously going to be tension between him and Echo in addition to that reported Daredevil reboot series and possibly the new Spider-Man trilogy, so there's a lot of places he can pop up
He could leverage his injury to gain sympathy and run on an anti-superhero platform. "I was almost crippled while minding my own business out on the town by these superheroes!" It could resonate with people who have been hurt by the Battle of New York and all the other Avengers stuff.
I definitely think that Kingpin will become kinda like a street level Thanos. As now that he can more easily be used all around the MCU there's plenty of stuff that he could have his hands in that could effect other heros as well. We'll eventually see what the future holds as soon as maybe even this year, but I have trust in Marvel Studios to do it justice
Wirh the way Hawkeye ends Kingpin, he's coming back injured, or blind like the panel it's based off or with Echo, and he's a lingering threat to her and Daredevil, and if we're REEEAAAALLLLL lucky, also appearing in the new Spider-Man trilogy. From the Assembled doc and D'nofrio's words, they ain't letting him go just yet.
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@@LaddRusso91 A strong ass regular guy, he’s pretty comic accurate in the durability department. Plus, Spider-Man often has to hold back from punching his head off.
yeah, but not heads on. More in a threathen everything you love and make you question every move kind of way. Manipulation is the true frightening quality of kingpin to me, not necessarily his physical strenght.
He will definitely be in the upcoming Echo Disney+ show, and after that I hope he appears in the next Spider-Man movie. Maybe they can build him up to becoming the Mayor of NYC, then we can get a Defenders/Marvel Knight's movie or Disney+ series, featuring Daredevil, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Jessica Jones, Colleen Wing, Misty Knight, Echo, and Spider-Man. But one thing I hope they do is keeping him more in the shadows like he was in Daredevil season 1, I didn't like how dumb and cartoonish he was in Hawkeye. And please, if they make Daredevil season 4, don't include Kingpin, new villains would be best, we had 2 seasons of him being the main antagonist in Daredevil.
He's a Spider-Man villian originally, they need to have an important and big conflict at least once. They are both two of my favorite live action adaptations of comic characters, I really hope this opportunity isn't missed.
The Spider-Man films have been teasing The sinister six for a while now. I really like what the animated show did of making the kingpin be the one who assembles that team.
I want a Kingpin series, who needs a series of 'baddy of the week' when you can have 'hero of the week' that Fisk has to stop from disrupting his empire every episode. Really pull into the "other side" of the superhero genre. Don't make him the anti-hero, keep him the broken emotional cruel monster he is and let him have some highs and lows winning and losing to various pre-established heroes and some random newbies
@@Horatio787 to be honest I'd be down for any show that gives more screen time to this version of Fisk chewing up scenery and was honestly surprised I couldn't think of a single show that didn't go the anti hero route for on offbeat main character
@@BaithNa how would that be glorifying him? There have been tons of shows with villain protagonists that don’t glorify the characters whatsoever. That being said, I think Kingpin works best as an antagonist to other heroes.
I feel like people have forgotten about Spiderman PS4 Kingpin, because I enjoyed a lot of the main elements both derive off of each other to know the duality. Kingpin may not be a favorite, but he does peak interest in what new and more mature content can be brought with Tom Holland's Spidey. Definitely want Vincent to continue, leaving such a well developed character to end being shot is so dissatisfying.
After finally watching Daredevil about two months ago, I am beyond excited at the thought of a Daredevil/Spiderman team up against Kingpin. Especially with Willem Dafoe's recent rendition of Goblin, they allowed for those much openly brutal villains to fight Spiderman. While Vulture and Mysterio weren't afraid to kill anyone, they certainly weren't on the level of Fisk or Goblin's violence. While it might not end up R rated, there is hope for a darker Spiderman movie with the integration of the Netflix Daredevil characters.
But if there is possible for r rating spider man movie and it can go to much of the crime thirller gritty type of story where we can see character like tombstone been also the main villain when run around drugs and human trafficking and make his money out of it and if they really want to drive into that world that we see from the Netflix show and really Tell a very much grounded story that we can the results of act of violence that someone like tombstone can dilver r rating can give that so much and can drive into other subject matter like drugs addiction if they going to bring Harry Osborn in the MCU then play with that fact that like in the comics that harry start to be taking drugs
I would love to see Fisk using spider-man's damaged reputation to move up in the public eye and get support by JJJ. Also Punisher would be great with Moon Knight in the MCU
All I know is, they need to say Kingpin got ahold of the super soldier serum at some point during the 5-year blip so he can realistically be strong enough to go toe-to-toe with Spider-man. I also think it would be perfect if Daredevil was blipped but Kingpin wasn’t. It gives Kingpin time to rebuild his empire unopposed, and it gives Matt a reason to question his faith.
This is exactly it. It always confused me that Kingpin was supposed to be a physical threat to Spider-man when he doesn't have any powers or technology, so he needs the have some way to make that work
Why would they even need to do that? Marvel doesn’t need hold the hand of everybody watches their live adaptations of their characters.Kingpin already demonstrated to have overpowered multiple humans especially Daredevil, Bullseye and Punisher. Daredevil alone would utterly clap Spider-Man
@@UNKNOWN-qr7uo but here's the thing, Spider-man is so much stronger than all of them. He can dodge Lighting and stark tech drones, can hold a ferry together and can tank getting hit by a bullet train while off guard after already being attacked. Those other people, while skilled, are physically just normal people. Also no, Daredevil would get his ass beat by Spider-man. Daredevil's more skilled, but there's a point where skill won't help against someone who's just that much faster, stronger, and more durable.
@@beegyoshi800 Spider-Man isn’t that much stronger than all of them.He didn’t tank the bullet train,he barely survived it and went unconscious after that,He got hit by multiple Iron Man’s drone twice and his spider sense couldn’t even detect it Where did he dodge lightning from? What about Mysterio?He’s just an regular guy in suit whereas Bullseye was actually going to get his suit with his implants If Spider-Man is Faster,Stronger and durable,why can’t he react to these type of things then?
@@UNKNOWN-qr7uo his spider sense wasn't working when he first fought Mysterio, who was using the drones. After getting attacked, he got hit by a bullet train without getting any chance to brace himself and then got inside before he passed out. In No Way Home, he got hit through multiple floors of a building and was fine. And he dodged lighting when fighting Electro. Matt has nothing to even hurt him, let alone hit him. Daredevil's really cool and they'd make a good team, but Spider-man is just stronger.
One thing for sure is with more darker show coming out like Moonknight I think we have a solid chance of see a dark Spider-Man movie or show featuring Kingpin.
I assume making him part of the Echo series is a logical conclusion. But I’d love to see Fisk be reluctantly forced to partner with Daredevil on anything. Or maybe even get integrated into a Dark Avengers storyline.
I totally agree with your point of an interaction between snarky, immature spider-man and deadly serious kingpin could be both dramatic and comedy gold on screen if played right.
I really do hope we'll get to see more of Kingpin soon. Maybe we'll see a fully-fleshed Kingpin once again in that rumored Daredevil Disney+ series. And somehow the fourth Spidey film would be connected on what happened to that Daredevil show. It could be a Spidey-Daredevil team-up taking down Fisk's empire. I would also like Black Cat get mixed up as well. Basically, what I'm saying more Kingpin in Daredevil show and finish it in a Spidey 4.
I want Black Cat in the next one too! A lot of people want MJ back because Zendaya, but I don't. Peter's definitely going to have a lack of interest in being Peter in the next film, and I think Black Cat can represent that as she's only interested in Spider-Man. That would be a good parallel to Daredevil as he experienced the same disillusion to Matt Murdock in Season's 2 and 3, with Elektra representing that. None of us want Daredevil to be yet another mentor figure for Peter, but he's always treated Spidey as an equal so even if he gave Peter advice, I don't think it would come off "mentory" as much as it would just one hero giving advice to another about a similar experience.
I would love opening the floodgates. More cameos and team ups not only gives those shows more weight but it’d make the universe feel even bigger than it already does, fleshing out those smaller conflicts
THANK you for making videos like this - we are all left wondering and speculating nowadays and waiting on a series/movie release to see a reaction only, rumors are never confirmed and are pointless to watch - but actually planned sound theories are great
When I saw Hawkeye, I wasn't aware of the comic panel where Echo shot him and he survived, and I was furious at the idea of them killing him right when they brought him back. They have so much to do before they ever even CONSIDER that idea. I was totally fine with the rest of his portrayal, even with him being more involved in his work, but that moment, even knowing he probably survived, just really grinds my gears. That said, since we all know he did survive, I'd love to see him be built up as the main antagonist for Spidey's next trilogy. Not like immediately in Spider-Man 4, but maybe have a post credit scene which establishes him targeting Spidey for some reason. I think it gives Peter a new endgame to build towards beyond the Sinister Six. Especially since we got a villain team in the last movie with the Sinister Syndicate.
In Daredevil he flat out snapped Bullseye's back in 2, Threw Daredevil through a Wall, Beat someone to death with his bare Fist, etc. He's been shown some immense strengths, just that he wasn't using it fully
I'm desperately hoping that all of The Defenders come back. They can recast Iron Fist if they want, or just have Colleen be The Iron Fist going forward. As for Fisk, no way is his appearance in Hawkeye the end for him. They wouldn't have brought Vincent back after years just to use him once and kill him off. Disney is a lot of things, but stupid isn't one of them
Same!!! The show wasn't the greatest but the dynamic between all of them was awesome. Regarding Iron Fist, I definitely wouldn't mind them just having Colleen take his place, but I also really liked him in The Defenders since he was the one who actually wanted to be there. I think he deserves another chance at playing the character with some good writing and a comic accurate suit. Seriously, we need that suit on screen!!! Would be fun to see him team up with Shang-Chi too.
Great video. I love KingPin and D’ Onofrio’s portrayal. Was happy to see him in Hawkeye manhandling Kate Bishop. My favorite Kingpin scene is in DareDevil Season 1 when he beat the dude with a car door. That sold me on D’ Onofrio in the role.
Kingpin was a boring non entity as a Spider-man villain in the comics, but outside of the comics, he's iconically a Spider-man villain thanks to TAS and Spider-verse.
I watched MIB for the first time in awhile. I forgot how much he did for the role. It wasn't just makeup of a decaying Edgar suit. He has this incredible physicality as the bug tries to move while wearing human skin as well as the way he speaks. It's so interesting to watch.
They should have daredevil set up Spider-Man 4 or 5 with it basically being a dearedevil 4 Spider-Man crossover with Fisk as New York major. Have Tom Holland appear in the last episode even
Loved Kingpin’s overall arc in the Daredevil series. Felt his appearance in Hawkeye undercut some of the great work D’Onofrio had done previously. Really feel like having him as a “playful” for lack of a better term Spider-Man villain would further undercut any of the true air of dangerousness, cunning and overall menace the character has in the Daredevil series. I would truly hate to lose that and would almost prefer that they recast instead. I don’t want a Fisk that went toe to toe with Bernthal’s Punisher getting quipped to death by Holland’s Spider-Man.
Similarly to how Goblin shook up Peter's level of stakes a bit, I wonder if Kingpin could toss Peter around a bit. He's supposed to be a physically intimidating beef cake who can go toe to toe with Spiderman somehow, even with Spidey's strength, meaning he usually has to play around Kingpin or wear him down instead of just punching his lights out. Maybe a combination of deadly enforcers (like Scorpion) could be trying to hunt Spiderman down to kill him, but he can't just take the fight to Kingpin because 1 on 1 Kingpin snaps him too. Could keep Holland's Spidey on his toes. Maybe he could get a dark knight rises moment where he assumes he'll just toss Kingpin around, but them surprise Kingpin throws him against walls and breaks a few bones while he's barely able to escape.
This is why changing things up from the comic books is sometimes great. Kingpin barely got any development within the comic book and was one note character as an Spider-Man villain but once he started becoming Daredevil’s villain,he got an much better story arc and character development just like in the show.The MCU refuses to change their childish and goofy tone which makes me and other people not want Kingpin to meet Spider-Man
@@UNKNOWN-qr7uo I don't know, No Way Home had some pretty dark moments. And Far From Home showed Peter at a very vulnerable and stressed state too. I think Holland would match up well with Kingpin. They didn't refrain from showing how scary the Goblin could be in NWH I think they can retain D'Onofrio's menace in a movie
It's funny because growing up (I'm an old man), I always associated Kingpin more with Spider-Man than Daredevil. Granted, I wasn't the biggest Daredevil fan as a kid but I knew he often clashed with Kingpin. Still, I always saw Kingpin as more of a Spidey villain. This is why, when the movie rights were doled out, I was surprised that Kingpin was attached to Daredevil rather than Spidey. 🤷🏾♂
As someone who grew up watching the 90's animated series, Kingpin was a Spiderman villain first in my mind, and I can not wait to see that confrontation in live action. Tom against Vincent will be such a cool fight to see.
I absolutely LOVE your take on the clashing personalities of Spidey and Kingpin in the MCU. I think the MCU did something incredibly smart with Holland's Spider-Man by keeping him young, idealistic, and naïve for a long time before laying into the heartache. Sony's earlier films consistently jumped too quickly into Peter Parker as a tortured soul, which made it feel like morose and solemn responsibility was supposed to be the core of the character. This always left his signature quippiness feeling weirdly out of place. In reality, iconic events like the deaths of Uncle Ben and Gwen Stacy were meant as external challenges to a character who was internally hopeful and idealistic, initially from naivety, but later as an intentional choice. Like Captain America in a lot of ways, Spidey is about moral perseverance and refusing to give in to cynicism, and his quips are not only his way of breaking down the resolve of those who have given in, but a way of constantly training himself to remain light-hearted. Spidey is the kind of guy who brings others up when things look bleak. For someone like Wilson Fisk, who has allowed darkness and cynicism to consume him whole, Spidey makes a perfect foil.
When Netflix came to Australia I joined almost exclusively to watch Daredevil, and the biggest thing I loved about that show is Kingpin. He was the best part of Netflix for me.
I think Daredevil, Jessica Jones and Luke Cage were really well cast and I enjoyed their shows for the most part, so I would very much like to see all of them to cross over to the MCU. I’m not keen on Iron Fist, but if they bring them all over to the MCU then hopefully they do something more interesting with his character.
I like the kingpin from Daredevil series. Daredevil series was itself a dark series and had more humanly based characters which we could connect. I wished they continued the series. think it was the best Marvel series I have ever watched
The netflix-Marvel era is my all time favorite era for series. There hasn't been a show that made an impression on me like Daredevil and Jessica Jones.
I just rewatched Defenders and I think that specific show is ripe to come back. Give me a fun ensemble show with Matt, Jessica, Luke, and Danny reuniting after the blip (maybe Jessica and Matt got snapped while Luke and Danny didn't and formed Heroes for Hire) and having to pick up the pieces on a case too big for HfH to handle alone.
Fisk is such an impressive villain in the sense that one man with no powers can serve as a central antagonist for so many titular heroes. Like the king piece in a game of chess that everyone’s trying to take off the board but can’t.
I think, if they're going with that blind version of Kingpin now, they'll have him very much in the shadows. Like just laying orders from under the curtains, sending villains after Echo, maybe Daredevil shows up to help her. And in Spider-Man movies, maybe he'll be fully restored and gather the Sinister Six in future movies. Like, let's say Tom Spidey fights Idk Scorpion in the next film, Kingpin shows up in post-credits calling Scorpion to the team.
I really want to see more of Vincent D'Onofrio Kingpin in the MCU. I'd also love to see the same Daredevil, Jessica Jones, and Deadpool that we already know and love.
I’d love to see a mob war as the central conflict of the next Spider-Man movie. With villains like Kingpin, Hammerhead, Tombstone, Silvermane et al tearing the city apart trying to kill each other and you have Spidey, Daredevil, and maybe Black Cat caught in the middle.
Spider-Man 4: Kingpin rises back up to power, Punisher is taking out his opponents. However, Punisher isn’t working with Fisk, he’s working alone. Unknowingly helping Kingpin rise back up, Spider-Man encounters him and thinks he’s working with Fisk (this plays into Punisher originally being a Spider-Man villain). Spidey and Punisher can team up at the end and whatever but that general premise would be pretty sweet.
I definitely feel like the kingpin is a character that has a past deserving of a film. I also feel like the actor portraying him and the daredevil series has done a wonderful job portraying wonderful and deep facial features that give you a gaze into his psyche and into his emotions. He says a lot by doing nothing and he says a lot with his physicality. I think it will be a great decision on marvels part to give him the opportunity for a film of his own. Possibly even an R-rated film. I feel that he is deserving of this and moviegoers are ready for it.
As far as the Netflix characters go, I'd love to see the continuation of Luke Cage as he tries to be the "benevolent" crime boss. And who doesn't want more Punisher and Daredevil? Jessica Jones? Meh. I loved her series, but her story is pretty much done. But what I really want to see is for Marvel to do justice to Iron Fist.
A Spidey/Daredevil crossover where they have to deal with a gang war between Kingpin, Silvermane, and Mister Negative, you could give roles to all the gangster characters, like Tombstone and Hammerhead, Fancy Dan and Ox of the Enforcers (since Montana died in Homecoming.)
Quick correction. There is a book called Kingpin, which is all about a reporter deciding whether to write his biography. It’s fascinating. I know it’s not a running title, but it came out a few years ago, and I highly recommend it. Also - I want everyone back. I know many didn’t love Danny Rand, I think Finn Jones does a great job. Don’t have him say “Iron Fist” every 30 seconds, and I think the general audience will warm up to him.
Kingpin has always been in my top 5 Spider-man villains ever since the 90s animated series where he was the main villain. He's top four for me with Green Goblin, Venom and Doc Ock.
It's funny, I fully acknowledge that Vincent's Kingpin was well written, well acted, and very well received; I was just, personally, always kind of indifferent to him. I didn't really care about him being brought back for Hawkeye and didn't care if he came back for more...until you talked about how funny a dynamic between him and Spider-Man would be! You make compelling points, and I NEED THAT NOW!
Wilson Fisk would be amazing to see in the MCU, for the exact reasons you listed in this video. When it comes to the other Netflix characters I am not sure. Danny Rand could, if done poorly, be seen as the terrible white guy version of Shang-Chi, a much better character to begin with. It would also be tricky to fit Luke Cage into the MCU, as there are right now few places he would slot naturally into this universe. However, Jessica Jones could be a cool fit, since she has a history with the newer generations of Avengers in the comics.
If not a main antagonist for a future Spider-man film, then maybe as a secret puppet master pulling the strings behind the scenes. Maybe after the events of Hawkeye, there's a power vacuum in the criminal underworld and Tombstone is making a grab for it. So, when Spider-man is trying to stop Tombstone, he's inadvertently helping Fisk regain power.
I'd argue Sydney Greenstreet is more well-known for playing The Fat Man in another Bogart classic, "The Maltese Falcon." That role could also serve as more of an inspiration for Kingpin than Ferrari did.
I really liked the Daredevil/Spiderman team-ups in the first spiderman years. So facing spidey off against kingpin, with some kind of daredevil teamup is something i would really like. And while I am not a big fan of iron fist (shocker), I really liked the first season of jessica jones and luke cage (while luke cage himself is not that interesting by himself). Matt Murdock being a lawyer and Jessica Jones being a PI in other Marvel movies can be a good way to make the Marvel Universe feel more connected (if the do it the right way).
My introduction to Spider-man was the 90s cartoon, so I would absolutely tag Kingpin as a Spider-man's villain. Actually, he was very prominent in Ultimate Spider-man, my other introduction to Spidey. So yeah, I wanna see Kingpin fight Spider-man (My god, he was Spidey's greatest enemy in that show)
If the MCU adapts Mark Waid and Chris Samnee’s run on Daredevil it will fit perfectly and they can easily have Spider-Man in there and Kingpin will tonally fit as well. Waid’s run has the perfect balance of fun swashbuckling adventures and dark mystery and crime.
Kingpin hires Kraven to get Spidey out of his way. Peter discovers this and finds articles online detailing the Fisk case and recognizes the name of his old lawyer. Let's get Black Cat in there too. Make it happen Kevin!
I want to see street-level threat. Kingpin as the main villain whose Empire spreads out around New York and Marvel Studios can use Daredevil, Echo and Spider-Man as the characters who can fight against him 😀 Kingpin could hire Scorpion and we would get a cool introduction in Spider-Man 4
The two characters I most want to return are kingpin (Vs Spiderman obvs) and Purple Man. I could see purple man as a great Winter Soldier villain, for obvious reasons.
I would love to see a smaller scale spiderman/defenders story. Not saying all of the defenders should be in it but daredevil and maybe punisher would be awesome to see. Peter's optimism contrasted with the much more gritty realism of daredevil has a lot of directions to go
All of it. I wanna see the whole marvel universe come together, bigger and badder than endgame. And for kingpin, if love to see him become a villain that both Spiderman and daredevil have to team up on. I feel like there's so much that they can build towards that after basically whipping the slate clean in the Spiderman movie
I would be very onboard with Kingpin as the main villain in the next Holland Spider-Man movie. Now that Peter is out of the Avengers, out of Iron Man's tech and can be a more street-level hero, it would be a great time for him to have a villain like Kingpin to go up against. Especially if it can lead to a Defenders reunion. We've already seen two spider-verse stories on the big screen, to have Spidey team up with some other street-level heroes like DD, JJ and Luke Cage would be really fun.
He should absolutely come back and yeah, there's plenty of room to bring back the Netflix MCU characters. At this point there aren't that many really big, established, marquee Marvel superheroes to play into the universe post-Endgame and it's now or never for some of these relevant characters that have an established fanbase and huge demand. Even if some of these characters just come around in more supporting roles like a War Machine for example, they still have something to offer. Being in the movies is kind of like a victory lap for them.
It's cool that he's based on .. that guy, but he always made me think of Marlin Brando. Also, just better business, works great as a character motivation! He's also not fat- he's thick and it's basically his superpower.
The draw back for having STAR in Australia is we don't get everything that's shown on Hulu. Original shows that are still running like It's Always Sunny are there but older shows they have like I think ER was there last I head don't appear. If Hulu gets folded into Disney+ I hope we get access to that library as well since there's nobody streams that series and I'd like to rewatch it. Among other things of course.
I would love to see both Daredevil (along with Foggie and Karen) and Punisher in the MCU. A Midnight Suns series would be amazing and I believe those were the two best shows from the Netflix Marvel era. Jessica Jones and Luke Cage were cool too, but I'm fine if they and Iron Fist don't come back.
Kingpin is the quintessential "Miserable Bastard." An individual driven by pure sadism motivated by their own emotional pain, which was caused by the consequences of their own decisions. A complex bottomless pit of pain given and received with no way to go but deeper.
I personally like the idea of Fisk becoming Mayor of NYC and being the reason for the reformation of the Defenders + characters like Spider-man and Ms. Marvel
He would be an awesome president.
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So a Devil's Reign adaptation?
I mean, Kingpin WAS the main antagonist in Into the Spider-Verse, and was also a key component of Peter Parker's story in the PS4 Spider-Man game, so it's not like he hasn't been showcased quite a bit recently as a Spider-Man villain for younger audiences, and, as you showed, he was prominent on the 90s Spider-Man cartoon, so I think quite a few people do associate Kingpin with Spider-Man as well as Daredevil
I associate him more with spider man to be honest.
I associate him with the Metts
I associate him with Murbocks
I have always associated him with Daredevil, but I have always been an avid comic book reader, and at the end of the day, Frank Miller himself said that he literally intended to stole as many Spider-Man villains as he could for the Devil of Hell's Kitchen. But in recent years, and largely thanks to the Into the Spider-Verse movie, Kingpin has grown to be more a Spider-Man villain in people's minds than a Daredevil villain. At least, to the public in general. If you grew up watching the 90s Spider-Man cartoon, I'm pretty sure you think of Fisk as a Spider-Man villain. But I'm talking about poeple who got into superheroes thanks to the 2000s X-Men and Spider-Man movies, as well as with the MCU. At least, that's my perception.
It won't really changed that fact that still no a lot of casual marvel fan or movie fan know him as spiderman villain and just because of that he was in a young audience movie or show it doesn't that has to be that case in live action.if anything it will be challenging if we see spider man flim that more like daredevil/old boy type with kingpin or even tombstone will be Wilde
I like the idea of the Netflix shows existing in the MCU. It's a nice way to expand on the world and it's "minor problems". Let the movies and some of its shows be about stuff like intergalactic and multiversal threats while the more down-to-earth stuff be handled by other heroes.
It was always like that
Agreed. These shows feel more intense because they are smaller. The fate of the multiverse is too big to truly comprehend. The fate of several blocks in a city is more understandable.
The Netflix shows have always been in the MCU.
Pretty sure this version of Fisk is a variant
@@metallicnole4514 It's not though.
It’s really a no-brainer to pair Spiderman with Charlie Cox’s Daredevil for a story with Wilson Fisk. It’d mesh well with the post-No Way Home landscape and bring a more grounded story that pairs up two of the best comic duos
I can see Peter reaching out to Matt because he knows something’s up with him after the really great lawyer scene, but interacting with him wouldn’t be painful like trying to reach out to the Avengers would be
I kinda want Spidey to have 3 trilogies, so two more to go. First movie, Spider-Man is bullied by Kraven the Hunter cause he is not good with his Spidey-sense. He then seeks Daredevil's help. Like how Daredevil mentored Blindspot in the comics, he taught Spidey. Second movie is Spider Island, villain, Jackal. Spidey learned to fight without his powers with the help of Shang Chi who help him develop "The Way of the Spider". The third should include Kingpin. Spidey loses, ask help yet again from Daredevil. Daredevil said it isn't enough and they rescue The Punisher from a local gang to ask him to join in. They beat Kingpin together, the end of second trilogy.
Creatively but not financially. What can Sony AND Disney/Marvel do with them that'll bring in billions. Tom seems to want Yelena in the next film. Black cat could be a former black widow turned their for kingpin. That's a lot of marvel sharing with Sony so what can they bring to the table especially after no way home and prior mcu Spidey film's having usually one major mcu character to help Peter like iron man, fury, strange with brief supporting roles for happy, maria hill, and wong. Maybe black suit Spidey? Black cat is something Sony has wanted to lift off the ground since Webb film's.
@@Qwertzalcoatl doesn't include symbiote which was set up in no way at home. Also Sony really wanted to do black cat and her being a former black widow turned working for fisk writes it self. Tom wants to work with Florence so that could be why Yelena enters and lead to Tom Spidey getting the symbiote or flash I guess as agent venom
It’s gonna be exciting. I think Daredevil will take on a mentor role. Like Stark but not in a father figure way. They are def gonna team up against Kingpin (& likely another villain)
This kingpin was truly menacing in daredevil. You felt his presence even offscreen. In Hawkeye it felt like he had to crawl out of the uncanny valley first
I'm reading Devil's Reign right now and I'd be so down with Kingpin just straight up becoming the mayor of NY, basically turning him into a point of convergence for all the street-level characters
There's also obviously going to be tension between him and Echo in addition to that reported Daredevil reboot series and possibly the new Spider-Man trilogy, so there's a lot of places he can pop up
He could leverage his injury to gain sympathy and run on an anti-superhero platform. "I was almost crippled while minding my own business out on the town by these superheroes!" It could resonate with people who have been hurt by the Battle of New York and all the other Avengers stuff.
I definitely think that Kingpin will become kinda like a street level Thanos. As now that he can more easily be used all around the MCU there's plenty of stuff that he could have his hands in that could effect other heros as well. We'll eventually see what the future holds as soon as maybe even this year, but I have trust in Marvel Studios to do it justice
@@SomeRandomJackAss He'd get support from JJJ too
Wirh the way Hawkeye ends Kingpin, he's coming back injured, or blind like the panel it's based off or with Echo, and he's a lingering threat to her and Daredevil, and if we're REEEAAAALLLLL lucky, also appearing in the new Spider-Man trilogy.
From the Assembled doc and D'nofrio's words, they ain't letting him go just yet.
I hope he’s handled as well as villains like Loki, Ego, Thanos, Agatha, Killmonger, Mysterio, and the Vulture were in the MCU.
And green goblin of course.
I have a question. What separates mcu Zemo from mcu kingpin? Or I guess Netflix kingpin
Well except that they ruined Loki in his own series sadly. Before that, fantastic though.
@@Me__Myself__and__I Hoe did they ruin Loki in the Loki series?
@@Thed538dhsk The Loki series was bad in so many ways. Making the infinity stones a meaningless joke was unforgivable. If you don't see the negatives of the Loki series its not worth trying to explain.
He NEEDS to face Tom Holland’s Spider-Man, maybe even in his next solo movie.
I don't see how they would match, Kingpin is just a regular guy.
@@LaddRusso91 A strong ass regular guy, he’s pretty comic accurate in the durability department. Plus, Spider-Man often has to hold back from punching his head off.
yeah, but not heads on. More in a threathen everything you love and make you question every move kind of way. Manipulation is the true frightening quality of kingpin to me, not necessarily his physical strenght.
@@LarissaTheBrave well spiderman is alone im sure spiderman has advntge against kingpin
@Larissa the Brave And if they have the balls to bring in the Purple man into the movie, then they would have a mini Devils Reign on their hands
He will definitely be in the upcoming Echo Disney+ show, and after that I hope he appears in the next Spider-Man movie. Maybe they can build him up to becoming the Mayor of NYC, then we can get a Defenders/Marvel Knight's movie or Disney+ series, featuring Daredevil, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Jessica Jones, Colleen Wing, Misty Knight, Echo, and Spider-Man. But one thing I hope they do is keeping him more in the shadows like he was in Daredevil season 1, I didn't like how dumb and cartoonish he was in Hawkeye. And please, if they make Daredevil season 4, don't include Kingpin, new villains would be best, we had 2 seasons of him being the main antagonist in Daredevil.
He should still be the overarching villain of the show
tbh idc for a defenders show i just want DD and punisher to come back and i dont care about luke cage iron fist and jessica jones
LOVE this idea. I hope this happens
The 'Echo' show has a few writers that also worked on 'Daredevil' and 'Punisher'.
He's a Spider-Man villian originally, they need to have an important and big conflict at least once.
They are both two of my favorite live action adaptations of comic characters, I really hope this opportunity isn't missed.
The Spider-Man films have been teasing The sinister six for a while now. I really like what the animated show did of making the kingpin be the one who assembles that team.
@@wheatgrowssweet to cheesy
I want a Kingpin series, who needs a series of 'baddy of the week' when you can have 'hero of the week' that Fisk has to stop from disrupting his empire every episode. Really pull into the "other side" of the superhero genre. Don't make him the anti-hero, keep him the broken emotional cruel monster he is and let him have some highs and lows winning and losing to various pre-established heroes and some random newbies
THIS! IS! BRILLIANT!
Get ready to pull for the bad guy - Pitch Black tagline.
That actually sounds amazing.
@@Horatio787 to be honest I'd be down for any show that gives more screen time to this version of Fisk chewing up scenery and was honestly surprised I couldn't think of a single show that didn't go the anti hero route for on offbeat main character
@@BaithNa how would that be glorifying him? There have been tons of shows with villain protagonists that don’t glorify the characters whatsoever. That being said, I think Kingpin works best as an antagonist to other heroes.
@@BaithNa
Yea, because they totally cared about the kids when they made the Netflix shows lol
I feel like people have forgotten about Spiderman PS4 Kingpin, because I enjoyed a lot of the main elements both derive off of each other to know the duality. Kingpin may not be a favorite, but he does peak interest in what new and more mature content can be brought with Tom Holland's Spidey. Definitely want Vincent to continue, leaving such a well developed character to end being shot is so dissatisfying.
After finally watching Daredevil about two months ago, I am beyond excited at the thought of a Daredevil/Spiderman team up against Kingpin. Especially with Willem Dafoe's recent rendition of Goblin, they allowed for those much openly brutal villains to fight Spiderman. While Vulture and Mysterio weren't afraid to kill anyone, they certainly weren't on the level of Fisk or Goblin's violence. While it might not end up R rated, there is hope for a darker Spiderman movie with the integration of the Netflix Daredevil characters.
Yeah. The Batman is a good example of how far you can go without it being R rated
But if there is possible for r rating spider man movie and it can go to much of the crime thirller gritty type of story where we can see character like tombstone been also the main villain when run around drugs and human trafficking and make his money out of it and if they really want to drive into that world that we see from the Netflix show and really Tell a very much grounded story that we can the results of act of violence that someone like tombstone can dilver r rating can give that so much and can drive into other subject matter like drugs addiction if they going to bring Harry Osborn in the MCU then play with that fact that like in the comics that harry start to be taking drugs
I would love to see Fisk using spider-man's damaged reputation to move up in the public eye and get support by JJJ. Also Punisher would be great with Moon Knight in the MCU
Nice idea
All I know is, they need to say Kingpin got ahold of the super soldier serum at some point during the 5-year blip so he can realistically be strong enough to go toe-to-toe with Spider-man. I also think it would be perfect if Daredevil was blipped but Kingpin wasn’t. It gives Kingpin time to rebuild his empire unopposed, and it gives Matt a reason to question his faith.
This is exactly it. It always confused me that Kingpin was supposed to be a physical threat to Spider-man when he doesn't have any powers or technology, so he needs the have some way to make that work
Why would they even need to do that?
Marvel doesn’t need hold the hand of everybody watches their live adaptations of their characters.Kingpin already demonstrated to have overpowered multiple humans especially Daredevil,
Bullseye and Punisher.
Daredevil alone would utterly clap Spider-Man
@@UNKNOWN-qr7uo but here's the thing, Spider-man is so much stronger than all of them. He can dodge Lighting and stark tech drones, can hold a ferry together and can tank getting hit by a bullet train while off guard after already being attacked. Those other people, while skilled, are physically just normal people. Also no, Daredevil would get his ass beat by Spider-man. Daredevil's more skilled, but there's a point where skill won't help against someone who's just that much faster, stronger, and more durable.
@@beegyoshi800 Spider-Man isn’t that much stronger than all of them.He didn’t tank the bullet train,he barely survived it and went unconscious after that,He got hit by multiple Iron Man’s drone twice and his spider sense couldn’t even detect it
Where did he dodge lightning from?
What about Mysterio?He’s just an regular guy in suit whereas Bullseye was actually going to get his suit with his implants
If Spider-Man is Faster,Stronger and durable,why can’t he react to these type of things then?
@@UNKNOWN-qr7uo his spider sense wasn't working when he first fought Mysterio, who was using the drones. After getting attacked, he got hit by a bullet train without getting any chance to brace himself and then got inside before he passed out. In No Way Home, he got hit through multiple floors of a building and was fine. And he dodged lighting when fighting Electro. Matt has nothing to even hurt him, let alone hit him. Daredevil's really cool and they'd make a good team, but Spider-man is just stronger.
One thing for sure is with more darker show coming out like Moonknight I think we have a solid chance of see a dark Spider-Man movie or show featuring Kingpin.
i just hope they take him to see the mets, i hear he is a fan
I assume making him part of the Echo series is a logical conclusion. But I’d love to see Fisk be reluctantly forced to partner with Daredevil on anything. Or maybe even get integrated into a Dark Avengers storyline.
I totally agree with your point of an interaction between snarky, immature spider-man and deadly serious kingpin could be both dramatic and comedy gold on screen if played right.
I really do hope we'll get to see more of Kingpin soon. Maybe we'll see a fully-fleshed Kingpin once again in that rumored Daredevil Disney+ series. And somehow the fourth Spidey film would be connected on what happened to that Daredevil show. It could be a Spidey-Daredevil team-up taking down Fisk's empire. I would also like Black Cat get mixed up as well.
Basically, what I'm saying more Kingpin in Daredevil show and finish it in a Spidey 4.
I want Black Cat in the next one too! A lot of people want MJ back because Zendaya, but I don't. Peter's definitely going to have a lack of interest in being Peter in the next film, and I think Black Cat can represent that as she's only interested in Spider-Man. That would be a good parallel to Daredevil as he experienced the same disillusion to Matt Murdock in Season's 2 and 3, with Elektra representing that. None of us want Daredevil to be yet another mentor figure for Peter, but he's always treated Spidey as an equal so even if he gave Peter advice, I don't think it would come off "mentory" as much as it would just one hero giving advice to another about a similar experience.
I would love opening the floodgates. More cameos and team ups not only gives those shows more weight but it’d make the universe feel even bigger than it already does, fleshing out those smaller conflicts
THANK you for making videos like this - we are all left wondering and speculating nowadays and waiting on a series/movie release to see a reaction only, rumors are never confirmed and are pointless to watch - but actually planned sound theories are great
When I saw Hawkeye, I wasn't aware of the comic panel where Echo shot him and he survived, and I was furious at the idea of them killing him right when they brought him back. They have so much to do before they ever even CONSIDER that idea. I was totally fine with the rest of his portrayal, even with him being more involved in his work, but that moment, even knowing he probably survived, just really grinds my gears. That said, since we all know he did survive, I'd love to see him be built up as the main antagonist for Spidey's next trilogy. Not like immediately in Spider-Man 4, but maybe have a post credit scene which establishes him targeting Spidey for some reason. I think it gives Peter a new endgame to build towards beyond the Sinister Six. Especially since we got a villain team in the last movie with the Sinister Syndicate.
Its crazy how i always catch myself watching your videos at midnight
I love Vincent's portrayal of kingpin! He's menacing even if he tries not to be.
“All the Netflix Marvel characters like Daredevil, Kingpin, Jessica Jones, Punisher, Luke Cage. Yep, that’s all of them.”
I still want to know how Fisk got super strength in Hawkeye. Man was ripping off car doors, meanwhile he was just a guy in daredevil
In Daredevil he flat out snapped Bullseye's back in 2, Threw Daredevil through a Wall, Beat someone to death with his bare Fist, etc.
He's been shown some immense strengths, just that he wasn't using it fully
Soft reboot
Do you really need to know? It's because he's The Kingpin.
That's why.
Not everything needs an explanation, even if it's a bit absurd.
That dude it works his ass to be in that kind body .
I would like to see what they can do with kingpin against spider-man. A back in black adaptation would be epic.
I want kingpin to come back his violence is beautiful.
I'm desperately hoping that all of The Defenders come back. They can recast Iron Fist if they want, or just have Colleen be The Iron Fist going forward. As for Fisk, no way is his appearance in Hawkeye the end for him. They wouldn't have brought Vincent back after years just to use him once and kill him off. Disney is a lot of things, but stupid isn't one of them
Same!!! The show wasn't the greatest but the dynamic between all of them was awesome. Regarding Iron Fist, I definitely wouldn't mind them just having Colleen take his place, but I also really liked him in The Defenders since he was the one who actually wanted to be there. I think he deserves another chance at playing the character with some good writing and a comic accurate suit. Seriously, we need that suit on screen!!! Would be fun to see him team up with Shang-Chi too.
Great video. I love KingPin and D’ Onofrio’s portrayal. Was happy to see him in Hawkeye manhandling Kate Bishop. My favorite Kingpin scene is in DareDevil Season 1 when he beat the dude with a car door. That sold me on D’ Onofrio in the role.
Kingpin was a boring non entity as a Spider-man villain in the comics, but outside of the comics, he's iconically a Spider-man villain thanks to TAS and Spider-verse.
I watched MIB for the first time in awhile. I forgot how much he did for the role. It wasn't just makeup of a decaying Edgar suit. He has this incredible physicality as the bug tries to move while wearing human skin as well as the way he speaks. It's so interesting to watch.
They should have daredevil set up Spider-Man 4 or 5 with it basically being a dearedevil 4 Spider-Man crossover with Fisk as New York major. Have Tom Holland appear in the last episode even
Love what they did with Kingpin in Hawkeye
Loved Kingpin’s overall arc in the Daredevil series. Felt his appearance in Hawkeye undercut some of the great work D’Onofrio had done previously.
Really feel like having him as a “playful” for lack of a better term Spider-Man villain would further undercut any of the true air of dangerousness, cunning and overall menace the character has in the Daredevil series. I would truly hate to lose that and would almost prefer that they recast instead.
I don’t want a Fisk that went toe to toe with Bernthal’s Punisher getting quipped to death by Holland’s Spider-Man.
Similarly to how Goblin shook up Peter's level of stakes a bit, I wonder if Kingpin could toss Peter around a bit. He's supposed to be a physically intimidating beef cake who can go toe to toe with Spiderman somehow, even with Spidey's strength, meaning he usually has to play around Kingpin or wear him down instead of just punching his lights out. Maybe a combination of deadly enforcers (like Scorpion) could be trying to hunt Spiderman down to kill him, but he can't just take the fight to Kingpin because 1 on 1 Kingpin snaps him too. Could keep Holland's Spidey on his toes. Maybe he could get a dark knight rises moment where he assumes he'll just toss Kingpin around, but them surprise Kingpin throws him against walls and breaks a few bones while he's barely able to escape.
Exactly my concern. In Hawkeye they completely ruined what his character is like.
This is why changing things up from the comic books is sometimes great.
Kingpin barely got any development within the comic book and was one note character as an Spider-Man villain but once he started becoming Daredevil’s villain,he got an much better story arc and character development just like in the show.The MCU refuses to change their childish and goofy tone which makes me and other people not want Kingpin to meet Spider-Man
@@UNKNOWN-qr7uo I don't know, No Way Home had some pretty dark moments. And Far From Home showed Peter at a very vulnerable and stressed state too. I think Holland would match up well with Kingpin. They didn't refrain from showing how scary the Goblin could be in NWH I think they can retain D'Onofrio's menace in a movie
@@curranfrank2854 there different between darker moment and darker theme and tone of a movie
I like how you intentionally left out Iron Fist at the end there. That was hilarious!
Another certified hood classic
It's funny because growing up (I'm an old man), I always associated Kingpin more with Spider-Man than Daredevil. Granted, I wasn't the biggest Daredevil fan as a kid but I knew he often clashed with Kingpin. Still, I always saw Kingpin as more of a Spidey villain. This is why, when the movie rights were doled out, I was surprised that Kingpin was attached to Daredevil rather than Spidey. 🤷🏾♂
As someone who grew up watching the 90's animated series, Kingpin was a Spiderman villain first in my mind, and I can not wait to see that confrontation in live action. Tom against Vincent will be such a cool fight to see.
great video!!!! greetings from Brussels!
8:05 - I got a chuckle out of FX as I imagined "Snowfall" being on Disney+ :)
I absolutely LOVE your take on the clashing personalities of Spidey and Kingpin in the MCU. I think the MCU did something incredibly smart with Holland's Spider-Man by keeping him young, idealistic, and naïve for a long time before laying into the heartache. Sony's earlier films consistently jumped too quickly into Peter Parker as a tortured soul, which made it feel like morose and solemn responsibility was supposed to be the core of the character. This always left his signature quippiness feeling weirdly out of place. In reality, iconic events like the deaths of Uncle Ben and Gwen Stacy were meant as external challenges to a character who was internally hopeful and idealistic, initially from naivety, but later as an intentional choice. Like Captain America in a lot of ways, Spidey is about moral perseverance and refusing to give in to cynicism, and his quips are not only his way of breaking down the resolve of those who have given in, but a way of constantly training himself to remain light-hearted. Spidey is the kind of guy who brings others up when things look bleak. For someone like Wilson Fisk, who has allowed darkness and cynicism to consume him whole, Spidey makes a perfect foil.
When Netflix came to Australia I joined almost exclusively to watch Daredevil, and the biggest thing I loved about that show is Kingpin. He was the best part of Netflix for me.
I think Daredevil, Jessica Jones and Luke Cage were really well cast and I enjoyed their shows for the most part, so I would very much like to see all of them to cross over to the MCU.
I’m not keen on Iron Fist, but if they bring them all over to the MCU then hopefully they do something more interesting with his character.
I like the kingpin from Daredevil series. Daredevil series was itself a dark series and had more humanly based characters which we could connect. I wished they continued the series. think it was the best Marvel series I have ever watched
I think they should bring back iron fist and have him do stuff with the 10 rings guy
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If there putting R rated films on there they better give us the entire Blade trilogy and Deadpool 1 & 2. Also Logan
“Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage… The Punisher” I love how we collectively just don’t acknowledge, him
Ily captain
The netflix-Marvel era is my all time favorite era for series. There hasn't been a show that made an impression on me like Daredevil and Jessica Jones.
I just rewatched Defenders and I think that specific show is ripe to come back. Give me a fun ensemble show with Matt, Jessica, Luke, and Danny reuniting after the blip (maybe Jessica and Matt got snapped while Luke and Danny didn't and formed Heroes for Hire) and having to pick up the pieces on a case too big for HfH to handle alone.
Fisk is such an impressive villain in the sense that one man with no powers can serve as a central antagonist for so many titular heroes. Like the king piece in a game of chess that everyone’s trying to take off the board but can’t.
I think, if they're going with that blind version of Kingpin now, they'll have him very much in the shadows. Like just laying orders from under the curtains, sending villains after Echo, maybe Daredevil shows up to help her. And in Spider-Man movies, maybe he'll be fully restored and gather the Sinister Six in future movies. Like, let's say Tom Spidey fights Idk Scorpion in the next film, Kingpin shows up in post-credits calling Scorpion to the team.
Thanks Cap. Now I want that movie with those 2 more than anything in the MCU. I'm sad I don't have it already. lol
I really want to see more of Vincent D'Onofrio Kingpin in the MCU. I'd also love to see the same Daredevil, Jessica Jones, and Deadpool that we already know and love.
I’d love to see a mob war as the central conflict of the next Spider-Man movie. With villains like Kingpin, Hammerhead, Tombstone, Silvermane et al tearing the city apart trying to kill each other and you have Spidey, Daredevil, and maybe Black Cat caught in the middle.
Spider-Man 4: Kingpin rises back up to power, Punisher is taking out his opponents. However, Punisher isn’t working with Fisk, he’s working alone. Unknowingly helping Kingpin rise back up, Spider-Man encounters him and thinks he’s working with Fisk (this plays into Punisher originally being a Spider-Man villain). Spidey and Punisher can team up at the end and whatever but that general premise would be pretty sweet.
I like how the cable commercials (and you) advertising the shows on disney+ DO NOT mention Iron Fist lmao
I definitely feel like the kingpin is a character that has a past deserving of a film. I also feel like the actor portraying him and the daredevil series has done a wonderful job portraying wonderful and deep facial features that give you a gaze into his psyche and into his emotions. He says a lot by doing nothing and he says a lot with his physicality. I think it will be a great decision on marvels part to give him the opportunity for a film of his own. Possibly even an R-rated film. I feel that he is deserving of this and moviegoers are ready for it.
8:47 I notice you didn’t say Iron Fist, and fair enough; I want everything other than Iron Fist to make some sort of return
As far as the Netflix characters go, I'd love to see the continuation of Luke Cage as he tries to be the "benevolent" crime boss. And who doesn't want more Punisher and Daredevil? Jessica Jones? Meh. I loved her series, but her story is pretty much done. But what I really want to see is for Marvel to do justice to Iron Fist.
I love how you "forgot" to mention Iron Fist when talking about which characters should be brought back XD
A Spidey/Daredevil crossover where they have to deal with a gang war between Kingpin, Silvermane, and Mister Negative, you could give roles to all the gangster characters, like Tombstone and Hammerhead, Fancy Dan and Ox of the Enforcers (since Montana died in Homecoming.)
Quick correction. There is a book called Kingpin, which is all about a reporter deciding whether to write his biography. It’s fascinating. I know it’s not a running title, but it came out a few years ago, and I highly recommend it.
Also - I want everyone back. I know many didn’t love Danny Rand, I think Finn Jones does a great job. Don’t have him say “Iron Fist” every 30 seconds, and I think the general audience will warm up to him.
I still want that Lizzie McGuire revival
You know, given the topic, even warning about spoilers for Hawkeye could be considered a spoiler by itself, couldn't it?
Kingpin has always been in my top 5 Spider-man villains ever since the 90s animated series where he was the main villain. He's top four for me with Green Goblin, Venom and Doc Ock.
He absolutely IS the best thing to come out of Marvel Netflix, and if ony he and Cox's daredevil comeback I won't complain
It's funny, I fully acknowledge that Vincent's Kingpin was well written, well acted, and very well received; I was just, personally, always kind of indifferent to him. I didn't really care about him being brought back for Hawkeye and didn't care if he came back for more...until you talked about how funny a dynamic between him and Spider-Man would be! You make compelling points, and I NEED THAT NOW!
Wilson Fisk would be amazing to see in the MCU, for the exact reasons you listed in this video. When it comes to the other Netflix characters I am not sure. Danny Rand could, if done poorly, be seen as the terrible white guy version of Shang-Chi, a much better character to begin with. It would also be tricky to fit Luke Cage into the MCU, as there are right now few places he would slot naturally into this universe. However, Jessica Jones could be a cool fit, since she has a history with the newer generations of Avengers in the comics.
I think he is either going to the emergency room or the morgue.
If not a main antagonist for a future Spider-man film, then maybe as a secret puppet master pulling the strings behind the scenes. Maybe after the events of Hawkeye, there's a power vacuum in the criminal underworld and Tombstone is making a grab for it. So, when Spider-man is trying to stop Tombstone, he's inadvertently helping Fisk regain power.
I'd argue Sydney Greenstreet is more well-known for playing The Fat Man in another Bogart classic, "The Maltese Falcon." That role could also serve as more of an inspiration for Kingpin than Ferrari did.
I hope to see Jess and the Defenders join the next wave of Avengers, maybe even a Squirel Girl cameo while she is babysitting Luke and Jess's kid.
I really liked the Daredevil/Spiderman team-ups in the first spiderman years. So facing spidey off against kingpin, with some kind of daredevil teamup is something i would really like. And while I am not a big fan of iron fist (shocker), I really liked the first season of jessica jones and luke cage (while luke cage himself is not that interesting by himself). Matt Murdock being a lawyer and Jessica Jones being a PI in other Marvel movies can be a good way to make the Marvel Universe feel more connected (if the do it the right way).
My introduction to Spider-man was the 90s cartoon, so I would absolutely tag Kingpin as a Spider-man's villain. Actually, he was very prominent in Ultimate Spider-man, my other introduction to Spidey. So yeah, I wanna see Kingpin fight Spider-man (My god, he was Spidey's greatest enemy in that show)
More Matt Murdock & Wilson FIIISSSKK 🔥🔥🔥 I agree
I’ve been wanting a kingpin story for so bad and a sinister, six series on a film
If the MCU adapts Mark Waid and Chris Samnee’s run on Daredevil it will fit perfectly and they can easily have Spider-Man in there and Kingpin will tonally fit as well. Waid’s run has the perfect balance of fun swashbuckling adventures and dark mystery and crime.
Kingpin hires Kraven to get Spidey out of his way. Peter discovers this and finds articles online detailing the Fisk case and recognizes the name of his old lawyer. Let's get Black Cat in there too. Make it happen Kevin!
I want to see street-level threat.
Kingpin as the main villain whose Empire spreads out around New York and Marvel Studios can use Daredevil, Echo and Spider-Man as the characters who can fight against him 😀
Kingpin could hire Scorpion and we would get a cool introduction in Spider-Man 4
The two characters I most want to return are kingpin (Vs Spiderman obvs) and Purple Man. I could see purple man as a great Winter Soldier villain, for obvious reasons.
Have you seen the Echo trailer, Kingpin is deffo the highlight of that show
He was so well featured in Into The Spiderverse
They should bring the Netflix adaptations back only to see Danny get his butt kicked by Shang-Chi
I would love to see a smaller scale spiderman/defenders story. Not saying all of the defenders should be in it but daredevil and maybe punisher would be awesome to see. Peter's optimism contrasted with the much more gritty realism of daredevil has a lot of directions to go
"You'd have to be a Daredevil to dare to challenge me!!"
I could honestly see him being a great foil for Spider-Man in the near future, especially since it seems like he’s buffed up
All of it. I wanna see the whole marvel universe come together, bigger and badder than endgame. And for kingpin, if love to see him become a villain that both Spiderman and daredevil have to team up on. I feel like there's so much that they can build towards that after basically whipping the slate clean in the Spiderman movie
I would be very onboard with Kingpin as the main villain in the next Holland Spider-Man movie. Now that Peter is out of the Avengers, out of Iron Man's tech and can be a more street-level hero, it would be a great time for him to have a villain like Kingpin to go up against. Especially if it can lead to a Defenders reunion. We've already seen two spider-verse stories on the big screen, to have Spidey team up with some other street-level heroes like DD, JJ and Luke Cage would be really fun.
He should absolutely come back and yeah, there's plenty of room to bring back the Netflix MCU characters. At this point there aren't that many really big, established, marquee Marvel superheroes to play into the universe post-Endgame and it's now or never for some of these relevant characters that have an established fanbase and huge demand. Even if some of these characters just come around in more supporting roles like a War Machine for example, they still have something to offer. Being in the movies is kind of like a victory lap for them.
It's cool that he's based on .. that guy, but he always made me think of Marlin Brando.
Also, just better business, works great as a character motivation! He's also not fat- he's thick and it's basically his superpower.
I think you’ll see kingpin in the mcu w it h both daredevil and spidey taking him on. Seem like that is what no way home was teasing with the DD cameo
It's always sunny is already on Disney plus in Australia wouldn't be surprised Hulu will be integrated
The draw back for having STAR in Australia is we don't get everything that's shown on Hulu. Original shows that are still running like It's Always Sunny are there but older shows they have like I think ER was there last I head don't appear. If Hulu gets folded into Disney+ I hope we get access to that library as well since there's nobody streams that series and I'd like to rewatch it. Among other things of course.
I would love to see both Daredevil (along with Foggie and Karen) and Punisher in the MCU. A Midnight Suns series would be amazing and I believe those were the two best shows from the Netflix Marvel era. Jessica Jones and Luke Cage were cool too, but I'm fine if they and Iron Fist don't come back.
Kingpin is the quintessential "Miserable Bastard." An individual driven by pure sadism motivated by their own emotional pain, which was caused by the consequences of their own decisions. A complex bottomless pit of pain given and received with no way to go but deeper.
I love that you left iron fist out of the list.