Lets Be Real About Overwatch 2
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
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The Overwatch 2 (OW2) grind is real and isn't stopping anytime soon
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Bogur is a real one for having this convo with Flats. Respect.
I was just going to say this. Bogur real asf.
Bogur is that one friend that'll gas you up when you're down. An absolute legend
Rip sam
This is so pathetic from flat. Watch the last video of gs raider to know what I mean.
@@bob-p9n8u Link? I'm not searching for whatever this 15 sec clip is
Overwatch 2 cured my addiction to playing overwatch
lmao this
Why is this so accurate?
Real!
yea true, i no i play OW2
LMAO
I’m subscribing to you Flats. Not for your Overwatch content, but for your genuine love for the game you chose to make content around.
Whatever game you choose to play in the future, I plan to stick around. Overwatch or otherwise.
actually wild to hear Overwatch streamers having the same kinda convos about OW that TF2 content creators had when Overwatch first came out NGL.
Except Overwatch Streamers actually have a game to go back to where Tf2 ( this comes as a dual enjoyer) Casual basically is controlled criminals with Valve doing nothing.
@@cantbelieve5231 tf2 is legit unplayable right now, at least Overwatch you can launch some qp, have fun and get some friends on now that it's free
@@cantbelieve5231 customs are still a valid streaming experience for TF2 though. Can’t get away from the bad experience in OW right now both with how bad design is *and* the poorly thought out leaver penalties.
@@AllistorRichards true
@@AllistorRichards There's a 6 v 6 mode in customs in OW. So... They could do the same thing if they really wanted to.
anyone else noting that overwatch is just becoming a podcast background? like nobody actually plays overwatch anymore they just make a podcast with overwatch in the background
true
I didn't play Overwatch for a week and started enjoying solo games more. Life feels better
Maybe it's time to take a break from ow 🤔
I think flats and other overwatch streamers milking the game is a reason why they don’t really enjoy it anymore. I mean I can’t imagine not getting tired of a game when you play as long as they do. I play a couple hours of overwatch when ever I get on and I get on like on average twice a week, and I always have a blast playing it with my friends (I play tank almost all of the time)
Bro same, i've been having more fun roleplaying in skyrim and dogfighting my pokemon since I gave OW a break.
Sounds like a personal problem
@@padarousou nope. Playing too much Overwatch gets boring.
i don't like overwatch content, i like flats content. i liked "overwatch streamer plays a real game", i like "flats reacts to roll for sandwich", etc. i couldn't care less if you switched to pure variety or even just a different game because i don't watch you for the overwatch, i watch you for the you
I thought I was the only one
@@vihtas_art thing is we may not care but lets be honest here. the rest of the base may not. redshell for example quit and a lot of his followers who are ow fans left. his still doing good but still
@silverwind9906 I mean your not wrong. I just wish overwatch didn't suck. And i have no clue how blizzard is going to fix it. I think flats at least would be fine without ow though.
@silverwind9906 Sure they left but he grew more as a person and channel some might leave but that is a sacrifice to have more fun because overwatch as a game just feels misarble
@@silverwind9906 People who actually want to watch Flats for who he is will stay and keep watching, he can build up a new follower base by him having fun instead of him torturing himself in Ow2 constantly. Yeah he can go play it time to time, but he should never feel forced to do it to keep his followers.
Bogur: Saying therapeutic words to hep with the pain of playing Overwatch 2 every day
Flats: Why the fuck won't my mouse work
i honestly felt that tho, ive had the same exact thing happen lmfao
Ngl , any game that you play for hours on end every single day will eventually get old or have you not having as much fun anymore. That is why it's always a good idea to take breaks and play other games that you don't have to take as serious. Like Chivalry 2 or Helldivers for example lol
I mean these people have been having fun with it for years and enjoyed making content for it, lots people play league for a decade and still like logging in but its just the state of the game that makes it hard to enjoy taking it seriously or even play for fun anymore. The tank role is extremely miserable, which in turn makes it miserable for everyone involved. Ow 1 tanks felt like a wall that you had to break, nowadays i see a tank doing well, go ana or zen and just laugh how much i can do to a tank on a support, it's ridiculous. I love zen but the amount of hell he gives to a tank is seriously not fair. On top of that the game feels a lot more dumbed down compared to the past which makes it less fun to get better at it.
The problem is overwatch actually could have been better. I get so frustrated dealing with bad map and character designs it isn't funny. Sombra was voted most hated character
But the thing is that with ow1, it had times where it got stale but I still enjoyed playing the game, but with ow2, like a couple of months in, I completely stopped playing the game. For me, it’s not that the game got stale, it’s that it lost its identity
Sadly, Overwatch just took an entirely different direction that no amount of breaks would revive for me. It truly feels like an entirely different game than OW1 ever was; And coming from a 20+ year RuneScape player, a game can easily continue to keep your (or my, at least) focus for decades as long as you know how to navigate burnout.
Can't say that for Fortnite streamers
My main problem with Overwatch is that it doesn't really feel like a casual game to me.
It feels like if I care about winning I have to know who's meta and I need to know who counters who, and that feels more like work than gaming.
My friends and I all absolutely hate 5v5 i couldn't careless about queue times, Overwatch 1 was a time of fun, making ult combos, rolling people and getting rolled back. Overwatch 2 has literally been nothing at all but a headache since its release. Micro transactions, trash new characters, slow updates, nothing feels like it is ever fixed. It's just not worth playing anymore.
Ikr... The slow updates are what gets me. Feels like OW1 again but with one less tank. They said it's easier to balance 5v5 and turns out that's a lie. They said they're gonna remove/reduce CC but we have just as much CC in OW2 like in OW1. The only difference is that I get to move my character ever so slightly before dying. This game is cooked unless the devs do something to address the issues in OW2.
Widow having an Easter egg of her butt growing when she ult's is signature OG Blizz.
When they removed it and said "it was a mistake" then bowed a knee to the alphabet army...
The new devs came in and said "oh the game isn't good atm, let us 'fix' it" then they go to their misleading stats and use it to "balance"
@@xEvilRaptorx bro idk how to tell you this but the only one who complained abt widow and tracer were suits. part of lgbt is uh... lesbian. if you missed that
not to mention the part of the vid where they even said the old devs have blame... ow2 felt like ow1 on release
@@foggy_nights pretty sure the DEI group they brought in said they need to drop Tracer from the being the face and they wanted to make Soj the new mascot. (Judging by the splash image when you boot up the Battle launcher on PC)
@@xEvilRaptorx... you mean the character that released with the game was on the cover? 😱😱
the thing about being a content creator is to have backup plans. It can end fast and unexpected, so having something on the backburner is important. This can also help you to not be scared of taking a chance, because you know something else waits for you besides that, or even while you are taking your chance.
I will say as an Overwatch player that's been on it all 6+ years with over 2000 hours, the game became MUCH more enjoyable when I stopped playing it so often; and not only that, but I played SO MUCH BETTER. It's good to give yourself a break.
But on another note, I really do just enjoy watching you for you Flats. I've noticed moments in your videos recently where you'll sort of briefly snap, and it's almost as if I can see a deep anger or frustration beneath the surface, like it has become noticeable that you aren't happy. That's nothing on you and it's not to say you should hide it, it's just like watching a friend self-destruct and wishing they would do what's best for themselves because you want to see them happy. I really hope you can branch out and find that happiness soon!!
P.S. You're absolutely top of the overwatch streamers in my eyes. Personally I only really watch you and emongg for overwatch content. You're doing incredible, and I'm sure you'll continue to do incredible no matter what you do :)♥
Honestly, I think even within the Overwatch space, there are massive sectors that have yet to be truly cultivated by a content creator as big as you Flats. And I think the key to staying happy both with your content, and with this game, is to lean more on your community and focus on content that doesn't solely rely on you and your own gameplay loop.
Just spitballing here, but for example doing community events that are hosted under your name, could be whatever the fuck. Basically anything that players would actually enjoy. Maybe its THE FLATS TOURNAMENT OF BRAVE SOULS or whatever, maybe it's a Flats guild that hosts pugs and scrims and consists of your viewers so the viewers don't just relate to you, but also grow bonds with each other -and then you'll commentate on highlights and big matches etc.
Maybe it's the "Flats Lucio Surf cup of the day" where you host a literal Lucio race ala time trial Mario Kart or Trackmania and you could get some honor guests like Frogger or whoever would wanna join in -something whacky that breaks the mold and expectations of what "the Overwatch experience" is supposed to be. Something fun and experimental. I think this is something the OW content scene really lacks a ton of, which is content based on gameplay that isn't the default formula of comp or quickplay in the locked dev-determined format.
Maybe you participate in these events, maybe you act as a caster and see the stupid shit your community members get up to, who knows.
Key point is, I think widening your field of content (within Overwatch) away from primarily focusing on just you and your standard comp and qp gameplay, and pushing more of the load over on the community and community events, crossover stuff with some different streamers, maybe you take up-and-coming streamers in on hosted shows to share your experience growing your spot in the OW scene from nothing -to where you are now.
I think the main takeaway is, your community loves to see you enjoy what you're doing. Yes many are here for OW content, but it can come in many shapes and sizes, and I think because OW is such a competitive and fps focused game, very few creators have been incentivized to really try out things that are a bit outside the box of what the default OW experience is expected to be.
At least this is the only way I see OW content truly growing in the future. Cus the game itself wont.
At the end of the day, viewers just wanna tune in to good vibes. That's really all there is to it. And when you're enjoying yourself, your content oozes good vibes dude.
Just my 2 cents.
I feel like a great metric they don't use to know when an ability is more powerful than most. Is when that ability gets a callout in comp. There are some abilities that get called out more than some ults.
Flats I have been playing this game for over six years and when it came to streamers I would usually watch Rapida Freshnuts and then what I recall to be the newest one of them, Noobhunter. I never locked in on a specific streamers content because I got the highlights from everyone in the very way that inspired me to play the game. The first time I seen Flats was when he roasted Chipsa on Noobhunter, I thought "man who is this Chad that refused to be flamed for making the right play (I was a Chipsa fan and still thought he was wrong.) I watched Flats come out of nowhere as an intelligent idea man. He stole the show and while I still do watch a lot of Noobhunter, I think I watch more Flats then anything... Or was it More Flats? That guy has some amazing variety, still waiting on a God of War Ragnarok playthrough where he gets every box and gets spawncamped by puppies for a few hours. In all seriousness, I love the variety and you are as much the poster child of Overwatch as Tracers cheeks. Go whatever path you choose and I will try my best to follow.
When I think about when I was having the most fun in Overwatch it was the seasons around before and after Sombra was added. There were downsides like the toxicity back then but it was the most fun. Even if part of it was all of us having less experience with the game and more optimism for the future
I watch way more "Two" and "More" nowadays because I don't play Overwatch anymore but I enjoy Flats. Bring on the variety.
This is only somewhat comparable, but I'm about to move halfway across the world for grad school to a place with a notoriously bad housing market with no safety net. I'm terrified that I'll end up homeless, but this is what I've wanted my whole life. I'm going to do it and I'm going to shit myself doing it. If I fail, that's okay. At least I'm going to try
The genuineness of this episode is fuckin badass cool watching Flats and Bogur just being bros is dope, Flats make the jump and make the content I started following you for OW but I grew to love your variety go for it man
Watched this on Bogur’s channel and I’ll watch it again lol
Hot take, Tanks should have very limited range on attacks that do big damage so they are a threat but not killing you from a long distance away, When they started adding hit scan tanks like Orisa, Ball, and mauga that is when it really hit the fan, because now if you make tanks actually tanky they can just spam and kill you from across the map. Zyra, Rein, Winston, DVA, Sigma. They all are designed to have zero damage after a certain range, so now you can't buff tanks to actually be tanky because the tanks do too much damage and have zero weaknesses. If you can't kite a tank out, then its not a tank, its a dps.
No power at work so I'm able to watch right on drop much love
Texas storms?
Yessurrrr store flooded so I had to mop for two hours
"Thank you Flats for your wonderful time"..
Bru, if someone said that shit to me, I'd cry on the fkn spot
I like this video. Thank you for vulnerability and a great conversation with your friend on Overwatch burn out. I got so heated during season 9 comp and took a break. Came back with better head space and focused on fun over wins, more quick play than comp and a mix of both. Don’t feel so trapped in the comp loop and congratulating everyone. A break and going for what you truly happy will have so much benefits. Love your Overwatch vids but I wouldn’t mind a switch and maybe it can inspire more people to play more than Overwatch as well. Much love flats
As someone who joined overwatch 2 without ever having played overwatch 1 I can for shure say that most of the players like me aren't shure about 6v6 vs 5v5 at all because we never experienced 6v6 in the first place. However I understand that just swapping to 6v6 out of nowhere would just lead to other problems and probably make tank op. (saying that as a tank main). Would actualy love to see the devs try out a limited time game mode of some sort where they test how 6v6 would work in overwatch 2 be it trough quickplay or arcade. With that people who joined with overwatch 2 could at least experience 6v6 mode for once and actualy form a somewhat valid opinion about it.
I dont play or watch overwatch content anymore but i still come back for ur videos. Doesnt matter what game u play Flats i know id watch
I almost never comment on RUclips but I will for you. I'm a disabled man and I don't have the ability to work. Seeing your videos in my feed every morning always brings a smile to my face. I would 100% watch any kind of content you would put out, so do what makes you feel happy!
I can easily say I started watch flats for ow just cuz I got back into it but I watch for just him now tbh. Mans got stories, personality, and a genuine good time no matter what I see him on. I support him making the jump if he ever plans to and I hope most will follow him so he can move on from OW if he wants to.
I think a really big part of why you and a lot of Overwatch streamer veterans are feeling such burnout is Both from the actual state of the game currently (it sucks), but also I think playing the same game for *several years,* for several hours at a time almost every day of the week will always inevitably lead to burnout, regardless of how much you love the thing you're playing. I definitely think it's worth it to take breaks and branch out! I really enjoyed your BG3 games, and I'd love to see you tackle more story-heavy games, or other multiplayer stuff with some of the OVW streamer crew! Most importantly this is Your channel and Your livelihood-- play what You want! And if you're not having fun with the current state of OVW and haven't been for a minute, than it might be time for a switch-up
That exact same thing happend to me a couple of month ago, my left button just gave up and it kept shooting and shooting in the middle of a comp game...
I stumbled on your content because it was OW and stuck around for Roll for Sandwich and your OW tiktok reactions. Then I saw you playing Pokerouge and got hyped cause ive been playing the hell out of that and its great. Then I saw you play the new Marvel game and it was funny watching you be annoyed by I AM GROOT.
Bro do what makes you happy. Rest assured my happy ass will be watching.
One thing I keep thinking regarding my favorite content creators is that I'm there for their personality and the entertainment they provide. Flats is one of those creators that is pretty funny, consistently, regardless of the game he's playing. I think taking the jump would be worth the risk, OW2 isn't anywhere close to what OW1 was and never will be no matter how hard you try. There is only so much you guys (Bogur, Emongg, etc) can do.
On 6v6: I don't think I miss there being 6 people on each team, or having two tanks; I miss playing a game that was CLEARLY loved and valued by the team creating the characters, stories and just the overall world of Overwatch. It hasn't felt like that to me in years. I hope one day they can find wherever they buried the magic that originally created the game.
The fact that you've had this conversation shows that you genuinely care about your viewers. Sure there will be those fickle people that will downplay you playing variety but ultimately the fact that you actually give a shit about your viewers and the content you deliver to them is huge. You need to do what makes you happy because your viewers will enjoy watching you having a good time no matter the game. You're a good dude and people don't just drop a good dude
Ok but like Bogur should be a career counselor for content creators. He gives such good advice while hyping up his friends.
I think Bogur absolutely nailed ow2's biggest problem and I'd sum it up like this: the current state of the game has evolved to be a process instead of an experience. We walk out, press buttons, die and lose or kill and win. Theres no consequences anymore, you don't really get punished by bad play (besides obvious examples ofc) and I think I speak for a lot of people when I say I feel like each match and fight just starts, happens, and ends, without it really feeling like we get to play.
We would totally support you if you want to do more variety. We watch you for YOU. You're fucking hilarious and also just a genuine good fella. Bogus has a point about hate watching. I haven't touched the game in months because I started to hate it so much (and honestly I still miss 6v6) but Overwatch is also some kind of weird addiction you can't get away from, you know? And Bogur is a good dude, that pep talk was insane holy shit I almost cried ngl. Everyone deserves a friend like him. And that includes you. I have a major case of impostor syndrome myself, but I can sure as hell tell other people what they deserve. And you deserve the best, Flats. We want to see you happy, and variety might just be the thing that can make you happy. And if you choose not to because you're scared of pulling less viewers, I don't blame you either. Everyone would be scared to make that step. As hard as it might be when you feel like you deserve the worst, please do not forget your own happiness.
I know this comment is probably going to get lost but you're worried about going to variety, I'm worried you're burned out. I do watch a lot of your videos but I do hope you do go to variety because I have realized I enjoy Flats, not overwatch. I enjoy Flats with friends the most though, so if you get emongg to move it would be very instant click.
Man, I did not expect a ”Lets talk about Overwatch” video to be so real and relatable to my life
I support Flats doing more variety and branching out from Overwatch. I can't imagine having played this game day in day out for like, the last eight years. Take a break from the game, you've earned it.
6v6ers RISE
At his point I think every lifeweaver is just playing him to troll his team.
The problems with 5v5 solotank are not fixable.
The problems that come from a simple return to 6v6 (2tank defensive ability rotation) are fixable with some additional changes.
One way to do this is to split the tank role in 2. 1 Tank, 1 "bruiser". Convert suitable tank characters (like Ball, Doom, JK) and maybe a few heavy utility or disruption having DPS characters like Mei, Symmetra and Venture to the Bruiser class. Make sure all very active team defense tanks (like Rein, Sigma) are in the Tank category so you can't stack them.
Of course, heavy tweaks and reworks are necessary on not only abilities and stats, but also character sizes, but it would make the game feel a bit more chaotic again to be 6v6 so long as defensive tank ability rotation style mobile bunker meta can be avoided.
It is kind of sterile feeling right now with monotank on many maps. This sterile sameyness is part of why the game isn't that much of a joy to play. At first it felt a bit more like OW2 had become a proper esport with a proper "form" of how the play was, but this turned out to be a bit of a trap.
I think quite a few DPS players would enjoy flexqueuing into a Bruiser class with the characters tweaked for that role, so I doubt the queue times would get much longer.
Put the game to 6v6 and give everyone 10k gold as a cheap apology for ow2 as a whole.
I guarentee you things would massively come back over time
With that background music, I think Flats is dropping a hint. Skyrim streamer Flats incoming
“You don’t have to pretend that your mouse isn’t working if you don’t want to listen to me” XD
Flats I can't lie recently I have watched your happiness of playing OW2 plummet over the year. The smile you had is slowly disappearing and I believe and agree with Bogur that once you experiment with other games on stream and just have some fun your light will come back. OW2 will always be there for you to come back to and you can still add some content here and there but you should defiantly go off on a new endeavor even if you suck at the games.. that's honestly the fun of it and is pretty fun to watch in my opinion . Just as long as you have that smile back and your humor
18:45 perfect response
I genuinely think Switching from Overwatch to full time Variety is LONG overdue
The problem with Overwatch is Tanks want to be DPS. They want to do as much damage, have the high kill count, take a lot of damage, ect......
I remeber when tanks damage matched DPS. We had GOATS for far to long.
Tanks dont need to get kills. They should be close range, high damge at very close range, and be able to just tank damage like an actual tank.
Thr whiterun soundtrack in the background. Love it
Honestly, i'd absolutely love to see flats play other stuff now. be it LoL, warframe, Destiny 2, single player games. Flats is a creator who has made his content about him and not the game he plays and he's the entertaining one. He's an amazing content creator.
Long time player/viewer. My current Overwatch consumption is at an all time low. I’m not enjoying the game and because of that, I haven’t been watching many OW streams and videos. I think that a lot of players are in the same boat and would enjoy having some new content to watch. I think playing with Tim was a good idea! You could get a bunch of your friends and try scary games. I find DBD has a similar viewership as Overwatch. I genuinely think that prioritizing your enjoyment will pay off in the long run. ❤
I've been thinking about this counter swapping thing for a while now, and how it could be addressed. Why not have a lock out system? So at the start of every match, you choose three tanks. In the match you can only use those three tanks. Same for DPS same for support. That way your team would be more co-ordinated because they'd be picked in relation to your picks as a tank. Then it's more about how you play and with your best heroes rather than 'what is meta'
It would also incentives your DPS to swap to help the tank if the tank doesn't have a proper answer for the enemy tank
Flats… take the jump, I can’t speak for everyone but I’m here both on yt and on twitch to watch you and play games you enjoy 😂 I love Overwatch but there’s so much out there
And like Bogur said, it is not selfish to be happy playing what YOU want to play 😂 I would rather you do what you want and be happy than be miserable playing the same game all the time
Flats, it's not OW, it's you. We watch YOU man. If it wasn't for Seagull, I would NEVER have played Subnautica. Branch out, we'll watch!
am i the only one that actually hates how easy a lot of devs are making games nowadays? like at the press of a button this basic ability with a 2 second CD can nuke the entire enemy team cause reasons. (i know this isnt actually a thing, im just making an exaggerated point) like, dont get me wrong, not every ability needs to be something you have to think about using well. but not every ability needs to so easy a baby can get 5 piece play of the game on accident when its trying to eat the controller or slap the keyboard.
its honestly just flat (heh) out disrespectful as fuck to me, i cant be the only one that feels this way either.
Flats
100% honest here. I didn’t start until OW2. Didn’t find you until I started playing. But I can say wholeheartedly that I come back for your winning personality and sense of humor and I think the majority of your viewers feel the same way. Do what makes you happy. Live the dream we all wish we could!
I haven't agreed with some of your takes in the past- but you are one of the most respectable people in the community.
You don't talk shit- you speak from the heart and you put a lot into everything you do.
Despite not always agreeing with your takes, I watch your content cause you've got a great personality and you're incredibly easy to sit down and watch while I eat dinner or relax after a busy day. You might be having a hard time, but the way you react and have fun with others is a treat and you bring a lot of warmth to a room and lobby.
Do what makes you happy- your people will follow. If you are afraid, take a leap of faith and ask your community to support you as you find new things. You'll succeed, chief. Care about finding something fun.
I'd love to see you play some Single-Player stuff more- especially something fun and adventure focused, like Tunic. Something that just drops you into something interesting and it just gets you searching and exploring and having fun.
I love to see you play a game and be happy. 😊
Something I saw that I try to live by is the idea of the 80/20 rule. 80% of your effort makes 20% of your reward and 20% of your effort is 80% of your reward. Pare down the 80% and focus on the 20% so that you aren’t wasting your time on things that are resulting in benefit for you.
I could personally care less about ow2 unless I’m watching you flats. I have never watched another ow streamer or RUclipsr but I watch a lot of your videos. You know what you’re talking about and you are just entertaining. I’ll watch regardless of the game played, and honestly may watch more if you find more joy in the game
Hey guess what. 6v6 good. Hero pool good. Skill requirements for heros good. 1 hits good. Small bullets/projectiles good. Everything that makes OW2 beyond the hero pool is not good, and never has been.
I would go crazy for some flats back on rainbow six especially with the new season and some flats reacts to old siege videos I’m sure people who got into ow and switched to siege would be blown that you were very competitive and what you know what knowledge you have.
Dude, bogur is a real one, he plays tank but he is good at supporting irl
Bogur talks like my Russian friend Vitaliy when giving advice. Very straightforward but still super wholesome
Was reluctant to click this video.
Genuinely surprised because this is the first unbiased video criticizing Overwatch 2 i've witnessed from Flats.
I'm not a big flats watcher, but I know him as "overwatch guy". And your experience with hero shooters makes me very interested whrn you try new games such as Paladins or Marvel Rivals
as an ow 2 player exclusively i would love to play 6v6 so i can duo queu tank with my friends
damn bogur PROJECTING so hard this is amazing
I'd rather see a happy Flats playing a random game, than a sad/frustrated Flats playing OW2
Haven't played overwatch for 2 months, , sadly i dont miss it, now i dive for democracy
Do it Flats. DO the variety, change the pace for yourself. Yes it will probably be lower in views because that just happens when focused on one game and trying to do more out of it. But it will be worth it. I will stick around 100% i cant say the same for other people but if its for your sanity and in order to have fun? It will be worth it. You having fun means I have fun because I enjoy seeing the content creators I watch have fun as the majority emotion. Rage and stuff is funny but it comes down to you enjoying yourself. DO IT! Change it up. For the better.
Only reason I watch Flats is because Flats is engaging. The videos I watch of his that keep my attention and make me happiest are the ones where he expresses his opinions and where he bounces off of others.
Pretty sure you are not going to read this by now, but I am a brand new player and I don't know the ins and outs off the community perception and all that... but what I can tell you is your success as a content creators is more related to their personality and the gameplay. You got that, there is no way you won't find success with other games. Plus you already have a tribune and followers.
hey bro, i don't watch your videos as much and i only watch for overwatch content but recently your hades video came up and honestly that was a super entertaining video! highly recommend the 2nd one even if its in early access but I would love to watch you play variety games! SO many great games out there and if it's your first time playing those games then i'm pretty sure people would love to see your reaction to them! keep growing bro
If it's helpful at all, I didn't fully watch the papers please highlights on the main channel because I had already watched the full thing on channel 2. I still like flats overwatch content, but would also enjoy variety content just as much.
That’s what I’ve been saying!!!!!!! The issue is cooldowns we use cool downs the same way fighting game noobs button mash! There is no strategy no conserving cooldowns for a play to possibly shut it down instead we use our super as the shut downs which is ridiculous, across the board for tanks, dps, and especially support cool downs timers should be raised Orisa’s cooldowns were touched and it nuked her character 🤣
I think viewers wouldn't dislike watching you play Paladins once every couple of weeks. It feels like the way Overwatch 2 turned out to be drew Paladins and OW communities closer to each other.
I know I'm a small voice in a large crowd, but I gotta say, Flats - I don't watch you for the Overwatch anymore. I watch you for the Flats.
I don't even play the damn game anymore, lol. I just find you extremely entertaining.
And on the point of problems with OW: yeah, there's a lot. I'm not sure it'll ever get better. Almost everyone seems to feel this way. That's why player engagement has been declining overall for a while now.
I think you'd benefit greatly from going on an adventure and trying out some new stuff.
Overwatch is closer to a mobile game than a full on multi-layer multiplayer FPS. They are removing all the aspects that make the game complex and stimulating. That’s why characters like Sig get their ult changed to be a button press = W
Don't comment much.. but the skyrim soundtrack as the background for the video... *Chefs Kiss*
Holy shit. Bogur is one hell of a friend.
This might not be the best video to comment this on but ive started playing open queue more since the passive heal changes. It honestly might be better than role queue. You could go back to main and off tank at the expense of a dps or have 2 tanks 2 dmg with only one support and not lose out on much due to the passive heal. Im only gold 2 still so not very skilled yet but its pretty fun still
not trying to flame at all here but i can really tell flats is a tank player based on how he uses cover as junkrat.
Check in occasionally to see if flats has changed to a better game
Damn bogur had me rethinking my last 6 years of playing this game.
Please play marvel rivals, I’m so excited for the full game to come out!
Flats, please play Deceit 2 with some friends. It’s a fun game that has a certain kind of replay ability that could add funny variety to your catalog.
Remove role Q and revert the game back to 6v6. The reason? I open the game, Q for 10 mins, cancel Queuing, close the game.
You should do a schedule!! Do like monday friday overwatch, then patch day. Also you are one of my fav content creators!! I watch you Karq a10 and forgiven! All my friends only watch you too, the genji also watches necros ofc xD but he still watches you more!! WE LOVE YOU FLATS FLY
as a ow1 tank player, after ow2 came out, I started exercising and lost weight, i spent more time with my kids, my sexual life has improved due to gained stamina. my mental health has improved, even my business is doing way better than before, I used to play this game 6 hours minimum per day, now I barely play it 6 hours in one week. Thank you so much Blizzard for ruining the tanking experience, my life is much better now.
Good on you man ! Blizzard helping people in the right way 🫡
the only positive effect of overwatch 2 tanks lmao
Congrats my man. I quit playing the game 3 months ago and couldn't be any happier. I was an OG OW1 Tank player as well.
bro went from irl tank build to dps nice job
I 100% support this comment. Gosh the game is so bad
Its almost like this game was desigbed to be 6v6 with two tanks to support each other.
I don’t even like looking at the tank role sometimes, and I’m honestly a good tank. It’s not fun anymore even when playing with homies, and you’re winning, it’s just super lame most times. Who’s bright idea was it to bring about 5v5 just gutting this game like a fish😂
@@retrovcr777their monkey brain saw double shield problem and the only solution they could come up with was to literally remove the opportunity to have 2 shields (by removing a tank). Literal apes
Two majors takeaways from this (for me at least)
1: Bogur is a FRIEND. This guy was giving excellent advice and saying it from the heart. Really like what he had to say and how he said it.
2: Flats, brother you are not happy. This is not a job where a boss hired you to do a job. Your viewers like you for you man so go have fun and your viewers will appreciate that. We’re here to watch you for you not just to watch you specifically play Overwatch.
Meh, I watch for him *playing* Overwatch.. Same for Emongg, Jay3, ML7 and co..
Everyone needs a friend like Bogur.
@@TangleHamain This is the unfortunate reality. People will say "we'll watch you no matter what you play", but that isn't usually the case. Flats has built an audience around Overwatch and nothing else - it's naive to think that there wouldn't be a drop in viewers, at least temporarily, if he were to stop streaming it.
@@crab6735yes he will lose some viewers as a result but the overall could me a huge net positive. People told Tim (ya know the tatman) he would lose all his viewers when he left Overwatch then fortnight then blah blah blah and now look at him. He would for sure lose some but the upside and mental health upside could pay off tenfold.
Oh, no. I absolutely cannot stand flats personality lmao, nor especially his ...laugh. I just sometimes watch him because, well his titles can unfortunately be click baity at times. Emongg is insanely kind and I love him, ML7 is too and so funny, I'd watch those two do anything and I constantly wish the best for them. I love kraan as well. I love streamers who aren't terrible to their viewers and who are just kind in general. Kraan is decent.
Flats be like "Am I one of the biggest Overwatch streamers because I play Overwatch or do I play Overwatch because I'm one of the biggest Overwatch streamers?"
Naaa stop it
He's big either way
@@hv4654 bra im crying
Either way, he's dedicated. He grinded OW1 at its lowest point when everyone else said 'dead game.'
Problem is, some of the chef problems of OW1 have returned to OW2 (tank sucks, queue time sucks), that OW2 was supposed to fix, so now we're all in a midlife crisis.
@@hv4654Brutal
Samito has been saying all of this for how long now? "If everyone is feeling this, then there is some merrit to it, no?" And Bogur is right in what he said. He's a good guy.
The thing is,just like how Bogur said,he and Flats are in they own echochamber,with likeminded people,of course in his world ,everyone feel this way. In my friendgroup,this came up in season 1 and never again. Mind you,i play OW2 to keep in touch with friends,play some game after a long day of work,talk about stuff etc,i'm not competitive anymore.
Fr, nobody is enjoying the game rn, and idk what else it's gonna take for people to wake up and realize 5v5 is a flawed and worse format for the games future
@@sonalex137 Frankly even if it was 6v6 the game would still be boring and shit because their policies for balancing and priorities are cheeks 😂
Opinions. I still have fun every time I play overwatch.
@@ImAviex it would be better then what we have now for sure, but your right. Compared to even league of legends, overwatches balancing is SOOOO out of touch and outdated and takes wayyyy too long. And they dont care for community feedback at all.
Here is a perfect example, remember Redshell? The sped lucio 1 trick God who got multiple rank 1s literally trolling every game backline lucio? (with cancer)
He decided to never touch overwatch again, out of the blue, he said enough is enough, and he bet on himself. The dude NO ONE could see doing anything else besides trolling on lucio, said fuck lucio im betting on myself. It paid off, he still gets hundreds of thousands of views a video, and he does variety only.
You aren't the "rein guy" or the "tank guy"
you are the "overwatch guy"
become "THE GUY."
peace
I found Redhell before i knew anything about him playing Overwatch at all. People usually watch a streamer for their personality not solely the game they play. Definitely possible to switch up what you do and still have viewers
The predator?
now he's the gartic phone guy
I still like his content tho
@@KartikayKaul I mean, the most damning evidence of the stuff against the girl was him calling her cute while drunk, and the fact that after she revealed she wasn't 18 (she lied about her age) he didnt stop talking to her. However, while weird, it doesn't make someone a predator to call someone underage cute. It was a nothing burger made to draw controversy at the time, he rose above it and that's why he still has his audience today.
@@kratosdertoten4035 True, and keep in mind he lives in Mexico. The age of consent there is 16, so even if she is under 18 in America, in his home country it would be fine (He explained in his video she was 16). He privately confided in Frogger and Eskay, asking them if it would be a good idea to date her, but then they turned around and tried to use it as a controversy to get views and were calling him a pedo. And now look at them, irrelevant and still tied to overwatch. And Redshell is more successful than ever. Deserved.
Let’s be real 80% of the player base hate overwatch but gonna keep playing
Honestly after the return of multiversus today, im gonna stop playing overwatch for quite a while lol
@@axe3271smart move
I used to be one of those people, as of now I have not touched the game since season 8 or 9 and I am so much happier
I actually quit when the finals came out and ive been happier playing that and xdefiant but i still like watching flats
@@Fixer48overwatch 100% better watching then playing tbh
"It's not selfish to be happy"
Those are some wise words
Bogur is a font of wisdom when he's not doing unhinged takes tbh.
In some cases it is tbh
@@Imaginedying434 I disagree but I’m open to hearing you out. When would you consider it to be selfish?
@@nicholassteffenhagen5074 when more is on the line for other people than just being happy, yet you still chose to ignore it and be happy for yourself, that’s when it becomes selfish. Like if someone were to risk or destroy the pride or careers of multiple other people because they chose not to do something because they don’t get happiness from it.
Most of the time I agree, most of the time it isn’t selfish, but there’s also a line that people can cross VERY easily
(Not saying this is the case for flats considering that most of his viewers will still watch regardless of overwatch or not, but the line does exist)
Nah the line “It’s not selfish to not play this dog **** game overwatch” is real wisdom
Content creators of ALL sizes need to be taking notes on what Bogur is saying, he is 100% correct. Super wise dude
True im struggling right now also on what game to play on my channel this really helped
No one wants to get on daddy blizzard bad side. As much as they try to justify themselves, no one is gonna say true criticism because its simply not good as a business decision.
@@SiIverBlade thats so funny and original
Look at myth tsm. Fortnite all career, then switched up the content and fell off. That's what Flats is afraid of. You can do all sorts of content, but people will only vibe with certain games, and if lucky, certain personalities. That's why flats name his videos on different games as " Overwatch player playing ____ for the first time." Flats brand is ow guy, which is why you either need to have a fanbase that likes you or start off by being a variety gamer.
@@SiIverBlade how was yours in any way necessary? im just pointing out how unfunny you are
I recently got 11 of my friends together and we did 6v6 customs with voted hero bans and almost off of them had never played OW1. Everyone had a blast and started questioning why they went to 5v5. I’ve never felt so validated as an OW boomer
Your first-time friends dont know shit
Your friends missed an opportunity of understanding why overwatch 1 got GOTY 2016. It meant a lot so Blizzard had to just delete and forgive and forget like it never existed.
LMAO that's actually amazing
A tear walked down your eye and you said "i dont know kiddo... I dont know"
@@Kanggaxx I still maintain they could've kept 6v6 and just made the reworks they did for 2- less cc, less shield. Everyone would've been happier lol
I’m literally in the middle of taking a leap of faith in my life and I was speaking to a friend about it. They sent me a picture that said, “I want to do this thing, then do it. But I’m scared. Then do it scared.” And it really struck a chord. It may be scary but if it’s for the betterment of your own happiness and health, then it’ll be worth it.
Coming back after finishing the vid, this was such an enlightening conversation. I love how vulnerable the both of you were and I’m glad you shared this video with us. 💖
I hope everything works out with your leap ❤
fuck dude, that's such a good quote
There's a wonderful song called Daydream by Lily Meola with a few lines that go "We've all got these big ideas, one day they're replaced with fears." and "Don't quit your daydream, it's your life that you're making, it ain't big enough if it doesn't scare the hell out of you. If it makes you nervous, it's probably worth it, why save it for sleep when you can be living your daydream?" the great lines are abundant in this song. "So scared of failure that we fail to try, turning around before the finish line, gotta fall for a minute before you can fly."