How To Treat 'Microclots' in Long Covid | With Dr Jaco Laubscher
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- Опубликовано: 9 июн 2024
- In this fourth part of the series of films on micro clotting in Long Covid, Dr Asad Khan and I talk to Dr Jaco Laubscher about TREATMENT. We ask which medications he uses, just how safe those drugs are , how one can test for their effectiveness, and the kinds of recovery rates he’s seeing.
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CONTENTS:
0:00 Introduction
0:26 Treatment
1:58 Safety
4:27 Recovery
6:56 Why 3 Drugs?
9:25 What Tests?
11:15 Why TEG?
13:40 Nattokinase
15:17 Why So Much Resistance?
16:41 Conclusion
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Episode 1: The Microclot Pathology of Long Covid (Dr Laubscher)
• The 'Microclot' Pathol...
Episode 2: The Research with Profs Pretorius and Kell:
• 'Microclots' in Long C...
Episode 3: The Big Picture with Professors Pretorius and Kell:
• How 'Microclots' Fit I...
Episode 4: How to Treat Microclots with Dr Jaco Laubscher
• How To Treat 'Microclo...
Episode 5: Can Nattokinase Break Down Microclots? With Profs Pretorius and Kell:
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I used nattokinase and serrapeptase. I'm a first waver. 6 months after starting the enzymes, I'm feeling good. I can exercise and work. No PEM, brain fog and fatigue is cleared.
Great to hear Nicole!
What brand did you get? Isn't nattokinase high on histamine? What's the dosing? Sorry if I'm asking a lot. Want to start on this protocol.
@@rickjondo1343 I used Doctors Best. 2,000 Fu nattokinase and 120,000 SPU serrapeptase 1x/day for a month, then It doubled the dose. Some folks are taking 4 -8,000 of the natto. You need to work up to that dose. Take them on an empty stomach with plenty of water. I don't know about the histamines. It wasn't a problem for me.
@@nicolepadilla9648 thanks. I've heard you will feel bad first when you take it. Then, progressively feel better. Guess the micro clots get broken down first and release inflammation. Did you experience this phenomenon?
@@rickjondo1343 Luckily, I did not. I did have an odd buzzy feeling for a week. it felt like my body had more energy than my nervous system could handle.
The hematologist who did the blood test found all panels were clear, and yet I had three events of anaphylaxis. I figured I had NAD+ deficiency, started a diet to aid recovery for MCAS, and treated with 320mg aspirin. I was already taking atorvastatin. I also took a cocktail of supplements to support the mitochondria a fore mentioned on Gez's channel. Three years later I'm about 95% okay. Things are not perfect, but I'm miles ahead of where I was.
UPDATE: 02/2023 Increasing the daily dose of aspirin to 640mg (2 tablets), adding Nattokinase-Serrapeptase taken on an empty stomach I'm symptom free of long haulers. I realize that this is only temporary, but I'll take it over what I was experiencing before.
Great to hear of your improvement!
Good to hear you’re 95% back. What kind of diet did you eat and what supplements did you take to support the mitochondria? Like niacin and a b complex supplement or what do you mean?
I’d like to know that too please 😀
I am guessing the diet will be a low histamine diet. I have been on that diet to calm down mast cell activation and it really helps. Dr said to stick with it for at least 6 months to allow mast cells to fully repair. Currently 4.5 months in. And, yes, B complex that includes B3 (niacin). However, be aware that some of us with MTHFR gene need activated B vitamins to absorb them properly. Resting and pacing is absolutely essential. There are no quick fixes, sadly.
@@teddybearroosevelt1847 If you look up the diet for someone with MCAS or MS, it spells out "No Histamine Triggering Foods". But there's a long list of foods one can eat.
For everybody wondering what meds he spoke about it's : Clopidogrel and aspirin (dual platelet therapy) and apixaban
are you sure?
So should we replace Niacin?
@@mathieusynnott8915 yes, I couldn't make out what he was saying ~ and I'm South African, same as the doctor. Sounded like "clopydin..?" and it was not recommended.
Edit: Gez has given it a love\like heart so must be right.
@@MaryinOmshanti I couldn't hear them either, now could I hear the other ideas of drugs he had
13:31 he mentioned the meds here
There are still a lot to discover until the final recovery. We are all trying to see what works for us or not... In this nightmare you alwais gave us hope. Thank you again for standing by our side on the recovery rollercoaster!
Thanks Anamaria!
There wouldn't have been, if we were allowed (especially we March 2020 patients who had the most lethal version) access to basic care. Basic care I was giving for 20 years before I needed it and I was punished for not taking the vent and got none. I didn't know what country I was in anymore (I live in the USA)-- was scary.
@@Jennifer-gr7hn In fairness, that early in the pandemic it was still widely viewed as an atypical pneumonia, so it was treated as viral pneumonia. There... that should do it! I think it was about a year before the endothelial involvement got any attention. Who would have guessed that in the 21st century we would deal with a pandemic that defied so much medical understanding for so long?
Berberine improves vascular endothelial function. I feel a lot better after taking it (I can stretch, move with less pain).
A CELEBRATION!!! Thanks to people like Gez, the commenter's input, the doctors and researchers that have kept open minds, and other high quality youtubers exercising freedom of thought and speech.... MY DAUGHTER'S BLOOD PRESSURE AND HEART RATE ARE NORMAL UPON STANDING THIS MORDING!!!!! I couldn't have figured out what to try or who to work with if it hadn't been for all of you. We will probably never meet, but I am thanking God for each one of you. This horrible thing may not be over, but we are getting there! THANK YOU ALL!
Congrats! Was it the triple therapy that gave her the relief?
Indeed, a CELEBRATION! This channel has kept me alive. I'm a scientist with a compulsion to research everything, but thanks to you, Gez, I got the clues to which rabbit holes to go down. Result? Finding and convincing enough totally ignorant medical providers to give me symptomatic relief for POTS, autoimmunity, and the SIBO I kept getting because of dysautonomia, thus upper intestinal bacterial overgrowth. I'm in the US, in this case good because I have the best insurance there is (haha, US government, same as our Congresspeople), and can walk in to a specialist's office with no referral. But the downside is these people don't have time to study up on long covid, and I get it. Having spent many hundreds of hours with research papers and online medical lectures, I don't quit learning. This is in my opinion a unique specialty field that doesn't exist yet.
@@AustinJohnson7 She is far from 100%. But at least she can think and eat and drink and stand up. No, we are working on at least starting clot busing enzymes, etc. But what has worked with the least difficult side effects was IV fluids with glutathione and now extra C,, h1 and h2 blockers, simple collagen protienn drinks twice a day with electrolytes plus soft, simple foods, no dairy, red light therapy, possibly the one round of prednisone, but that was rough. She is also starting mitochondrial support and low dose naltrexone, and working on increasing salt. What a terrible thing for everone to go through. But I believe, because of good researchers, freedom lovers, and youtubers like Gez, drbeen, and flcc, that people can get better if the kitchen sink is thrown at it. Don't give up.
@@risecopeman5409 Thank you so much for sharing this. I was wondering how your daughter is doing now?
@@paulah.9415 how did you get relief? I have all of the issues you mentioned. I am just coming to understand and learn about POTS, and how the dysautonomias have effected me. I can eat more foods now than ever, but somehow seem to still randomly get some GERD and SIBO issues. If you don't mind sharing what helped you, I'd appreciate it!
I have had help with the brain fog from low doses of aspirin and saw palmetto. I am looking forward to trying Nattokinase. If your doctors are like mine they don't do much to help. I research every thing myself and then make a decision that works for me. Anything that fails to work after one month time I discard and look for something better. My heart is with you.
Hi Craig I was wondering saw palmetto, how does it help please?
Serrapeptase dissolves fibrins
I've just had what looks like a mini stroke last week. In my 30s training to be a mountain leader, eat healthily, no alcohol etc. Had covid in the summer, chronic fatigue set in. I've had no help or offer for treatment. Told I was depressed. I'm guessing it could have been prevented if they had listened to me in the first place, I feel very let down. The gp still won't even acknowledge long covid as a possible cause. Even though I have zero risk factors for stroke other than long covid. It's beyond frustrating.
You’re certainly not the only one Jane and it’s so appealing from our medical professionals - I’ve been into the emergency dept at least a dozen times now after TIA episodes or mini strokes due to this condition only for basic blood tests, chest X-Rays and an ECG performed and tell me I’m suffering an anxiety attack! The only sense that I can get is through these videos that I’m so thankful to Gez for making as the medical system has failed me on every front… I started taking NAC, Vit C, Vit B3, Vit D, Magnesium, Quercetin, Selenium, Q10 and Aspirin Daily which eased my symptoms by 70%. I then had an appt with a Naturopath who was very knowledgeable and following this reasearch also, He recommended Bromelaine to help break down the proteins & PEA so calm down the inflammation + Slippery elm bark to start repairing my gut. I’m a few weeks in now and seeing a huge improvement - Just ordered some Nattokinase and Serrapetase along with some NCM and fingers crossed this gives me the last 30% to bring me back to normal! I wish you all the best in your recovery
@@jedbennett4912did the nattokinase help?
I took triple therapy for 4 or 5 months and not been able to get off anticoagulants as chest pain worsens. Overall they've made a huge difference. Laubscher is a great guy. He uses logic and experience rather than fear to guide his decision making. Too many doctors are applying the outcomes for regular heart disease and triple therapy too widely. Long Covid is a different condition and as Laubscher has demonstrated the bleeding risk is lower than expected. I hope the appropriate clinical trials will happen but you have to look after your own health now
Where did you get the triple therapy done and how did you get a doc to give you a diagnosis/authorization?
Who is he and is he taking patients? Were you actually able to be seen!??
@@RamiroR13 I showed the videos to my PCP and he gave me plavix and eliquis plus baby aspirin. Didn’t work for me. Nattokinese, Resveritrol, Vitamin D, biotin, and now able to add AdrenalLife from Activated You. worked the best for me with whole body swelling, major hair loss and reactive tender skin, brain fog, fatigue and major gut issues, Migraines, and virtually no adrenal function at all.
I really feel like things are beginning to start moving now. Dr Asad Khan querying the resistance in the profession to the microclotting angle; you have to wonder why some are so dismissive when the evidence is increasingly compelling. Many thanks for all that you continue to do.
Nattokinase deleted my covid-migraine. At first I thought it didn't do much, but when my stack ran out, the migraine came back within days (after about three months migraine free). Added serrapeptase, which doubled my energy envelope from 1,5 to 3 hours a day. It clearly does something. I'm from march 2020 and I tried basically anything already.
Thank you for these videos Gez, where would be without them?
Great to hear it worked so well for you Sandra!
I have had a migraine 24/7 since getting mild COVID almost 2 years ago. Haven't had much luck w/ prescription migraine meds. I'm thinking about trying this.
My experience in another context was that my frequent tension headaches. went away when I started taking anticoagulants for my atrial fibrillation.
Watching this gives me hope, though his comment about people with long long COVID and their endotheliams being too damaged for repair scares me. I'm rapidly approaching 3 years with this nightmare, I really hope that's not the case :( Thanks for another great video Gez!
Too damaged for repair, scared me so much too :(
@@amandajc2996 we still have hope, it's still early. Things change all the time in science and medicine.
Yeah me too at 2.5 years. With a family history of strokes and Alzheimer’s ugh. Started Clopidogrel a couple of months ago. No improvement yet. Great series Gez Thanks!!!
I think that comment about long long COVID scares us all. Even me with 10 month LC. But we have to think positiv. Our body will recover even it takes a while. And the science is progressing, sooner or later we will be rescued. I hope ofcourse sooner. Fingers crossed.
Don't forget that the body can heal something amazing, never underestimate the power of the human body and willpower. You can make it, I can make it. We all can. Have faith and keep fighting! :)
Thank you so much for making this video Gez! You’ve given me hope after 14 months of pure hell and gaslighting by the medical professionals I’m supposed to trust.
3 weeks into this treatment and my HR and BP have stabilised - POTS is subsiding and I haven’t had a crash for 7 days! Day 12-14 Symptoms worsened but I’ve felt progressively better since. Looking forward to another set of fluorescent microscopy’s at the 10 week mark! Thankyou @Gez_medinger & Dr Laubscher
@@jedbennett4912 What type of specialist are you seeing to work with you and what treatment are you receiving?
I have been under Dr Laubscher's care since early this year. I am forever grateful for his approach and triple protocol I'm on. I have improved (in a slow manner) to such a point that I can now walk without assistance, drive again, cook without getting lost in my own recipe books . Palpitations are few and far apart, PEM improved, no more muscle -or nerve pain in my legs. My balance and coordination are still improving. Work output is at 70%. I look forward to running again soon. All patients suffering like I did should have access to Dr Laubscher's protocol and treatment plan. There is light at the end of this lonely tunnel. Thank you!
Great to hear of your improvement Elzabe!
Awesome news! I did his treatment in July and my vo2max started climbing back up again, but when I stopped it came back down:(
I can do a short small light 2 km run 2 days in a row but then I need to rest for next 2 days doing nothing. Chalk and cheese considering I used to represent the navy in running.
I can't remember what a 5km race feels like anymore damn!!!
@@marky5493 hi fellow ex-military long hauler 👋 I was in the army, left right as COVID hit. Long haul was my gift to the civilian world haha. How did you get access to Dr. Laubscher's care?
@@twocanplay7976 a fist from faraway my man!
Ya I happen to live within an hour away from his spot, I found out about him from another friend who does cycling. How's your recovery going?
Can you share which 3 medicines and dosages Dr Laubscher put you on that helped you?
Stay calm folks, dont stress yourself, relax, take it easy. Everything gonna be alright, I dont know why but thats what my gut is telling me. Even for the long long haulers! Nothing worst now is to stress yourself about the bad news comment from Dr. Jaco Laubscher. Its just an opinion not an fact.
He said that his therapy helped 99% of patents,that's not "bad news",that's excellent niews. Hope others can help that 1% and there are many others trying hard to solve that.
Absolutely
Thanks again, Gez and your partners in the video! Your work ist so important.
Thank you, Gez. You are making a world changing difference by getting this information out there and available. My beautiful, sweet, smart, daughter now has chance of surviving this, and someday soon THRIVING again. Without these doctors thinking thus out, and the patients absolutely pushing for effective, persistent help, and tech savvy communicators keeping information free flowing, we would live in virtual hopelessness. It is scary to live through this, but there is excellent reasons for HOPE!
There are most definitely excellent reasons for hope!
I'm on the study but I'm a long long hauler. There are definite improvements but, after 3 years of LC and 6 months of anticoagulant therapy, I'm also worried about permanent damage.
Thank you! Keep posting, this is really good information!
Thank you very much for the video. They give me hope for recovery
Thank you, Gez! Thanks to you I have an appointment with Dr Laubscher for late January. As luck would have it he is only a 15 minute drive away! Since I'm a long long hauler I'm crossing fingers I won't be in the unlucky group for whom hope is lost.
Hi Amelia, by any chance could you perhaps ask Dr. Laubscher what the rest of us can do to get similar treatment to what he is doing? What type of doctors (cardiologists, etc) would we need to see, what resources can we direct them towards the microscopy testing he mentions in this video, etc? Thank you!
Keep us posted Amelia!
I'd love to hear if you have a positive outcome : ) please share
@@geefunkle I've already gone there just for the blood test and based on this being positive for platelet activation, they called me to book the appointment. Or that's how I understand it anyway.
Update: So, I have been to see Dr Laubscher and had more than an hour long appointment where we thoroughly discussed my symptoms and health history. He has showed me the images from the microscopic analysis of my blood and you can clearly see the micro clots. He has also shown me an example of very severe clotting and I imagine that's how my blood might have looked in 2020 when I was barely able to function! So while mine currently certainly looks much better than those, he said he was still seeing enough there to explain my current symptoms. My blood has now been retested as it's been a while and during the two months I've actually experienced reinfection and a return of many of my old symptoms! I'm also scheduled for a test next week to measure my endothelium function. So based on the outcome of the tests he will prescribe a treatment plan that he estimates will take between 3 to 6 months to clear up the problem. Which is fine by me as long as I can eventually get my life back.
Something else he said of note is to really try to avoid reinfection with Covid. So stay away from sick people to the best of your ability.
Thank you for this much needed video! I’m in my fourth month of Triple therapy (Aspirin 81, Clopidogrel 75mg, Rivaroxaban 20 mg) and it’s definitely working. I had breathing difficulties doing basic day to day activities- now significantly better. Unfortunately most doctors don’t agree with this plan of care and testing isn’t available in New York city where I live.
how did you get your doc to prescribe Clopidogrel and Rivaroxaban?
Great to hear you’re doing better Sonali!
@uniqorndoc how long have you been sick when you started the treatment?
It is difficult to convince drs to prescribe triple therapy in USA.
I was living with LC symptoms since Feb 2022, but In August 2022- after a respiratory infection, it became way worse- so I started triple therapy in September 2022. It took a few weeks to see an improvement after that. Even though I am not back to my pre COVID baseline, there is tangible improvement while on blood thinners
@@uniqorndoc how are you going now?
Thank you so much for your videos . This is so helpful
I am over two years and I will continue positive thinking and personal will. Evolution will win.
Another top notch interview Gez!! I still struggle with how to measure and demonstrate "sticky blood" though. Fluorescence microscopy can confirm microclots presence, perhaps even quantify it as Doug Kell and Resia recently showed (% of fluorescent area), but it seems like there should be a simpler way to confirm the blood is stickier than normal, some even claim they can see/feel it, shouldn't TEG alone be able to show there's a coagulation issue?
(I think this could make a huge difference with our local doctors to prescribe TT and monitor it ensuring it doesn't become too anticoagulated)
Yes TEGs can diagnose, but won’t spot microclots by themselves
He makes good points on the lack with standard (and I think will be in short time viewed as "silly"), tests of clotting which centerfuge the blood..
The issue with ALL of these is WHERE do we go? Theres no one to go to get help. I love this, but Dr Jaco is in another world, we have no access to any of these drugs. I think we all agree we would be test monkeys, to even be 1% better. Wish we had some US/GB docs willing to work with us. Anybody find a treatment center or doctor oneline willing to help?
Agree - we need more clinics able to look at blood under fluorescence microscopy.
Look up FLCCC
Integrated Medicine is best bet. May have to pay out of pocket since insurance is hand in glove with Pharma and BigHealth.
Thanks, Gez!
Thanks Scott!
Thank you for sharing and caring. Do you know how we can heal the entothelium? How can we stop the spikes ?
Microclots from the disease and/or vaccine are a major problem...thank-you for your video
If this helps anyone, high dose omega 3 fatty acids (fish oil) helps with vascular and brain health (lipids cross the blood/brain barrier)...I had Covid symptoms immediately following the 2019 quad/flu shot and was told I had Covid (tests negative)...strange world...best wishes everyone!
Crazy question ..ever experience internal vibrations?
You know what, what he is saying just made a whole world of sense to me cause two years ago when I took a blood sample for testing it all clotted up in the breaker before I could even cross the street. I took pictures and videos of it cause I though that was very weird but didn't know what it meant
Thank you for another interesting and informative video. I struggled a bit in the middle (brain fog!) But will go back to it later :-)
Jez can you do a quick summary of what he was saying. I don’t think a lot of us could understand some of what he was saying about which tests and which medications. Thanks for all you do to help us.
Drug names mentioned elsewhere in the comments!
Aspirin, Clopidogrel, apixaban, dabagatran
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Let's hope that some influential practitioners can get on board with this new anti -coagulant therapy and it's diagnostic testing , rolled out. Long Long Haulers, please try not to be fearful and despondant about treatment success for your cohort as research will be on going and it may even come to stem cell therapy as a cure, or something else we don't know about yet. Always have hope, it will help you through. Thanks for the interesting research and information , Gez. Great vid , once again !
Thank you Carol!
Thanks for this video. Discouraged a little since I'm way past the "6 month" mark.
Me too.
I've been going round in circles since being ill at the end of 2019. Tried oxygen treatment, anti inflammatorys various pain meds.
I started taking aspirin 300mg before bed and in the morning and the difference is night and day.
I actually feel like I have enough energy to possibly improve my fitness for the first time consistently in over 3 years.
It's absolute madness that I tried aspirin through being frustrated with the lack of progress via my GP. In retrospect the GP should have explored this within weeks.
@@johnbinnie5697 I'm so glad you found something that works for you. That's a shame that so many doctors are useless. Unfortunately I can't do aspirin bc it lowers blood pressure. I have been taking serrapeptase on and off and it seems to be moving the needle some. Still nowhere close to healed though.
ME/CFS since October 1986. At 78yrs I am still struggling. There seems to be no help for us.
If you are like me, long term degradation to body has been happening. Lack of activity/movement no restoration etc. Early aging I call it.
I do have some hope as aging itself may be related to cell degradation and oxygen/nutrients transfer and if that is solved, things might improve. If not....oh well, live for today.
Listening to this makes me so frustrated - not with the wonderful medical professionals that are actually looking into this but with the medical profession at large who are adamantly ignoring this. In February next year I will not my 3 years as a long hauler. In June this year I went to A&E with stroke symptoms. My blood test was negative so they essentially diagnosed Functional neurological Disorder & sent me home with my left side paralysed. They did not use contrast in either the MRI or CT despite my asking & explaining to the Drs that microclots don't show up in standard clotting tests. I was gaslighted by the Drs, told I don't know what I'm talking about & should the science to the professionals & was sent home no treatment, no therapy, & with my left side virtually unresponsive & choking as my swallow was affected. I researched stroke exercises myself & started doing facial exercises from the next day. I have paid to see a private neurophysiotherapist & have thankfully made some improvements. My long Covid advanced Practitioner & my neurophysiotherapist are highly suspicious it was a stroke as my intercostal & core muscles on my left side. But no one is listening. There must be others out there like myself, essentially thrown on the rubbish heap & labelled as fakers. So my question is what can WE do to support the wonderful medical professionals who are trying to help us? How can we spread the word & really get mainstream medicine to start looking at this?
They are - it’s just going to take a bit a time!
3years of COVID including second bout in 8-22 . Used a nebulizer with 3%h2o2 ...3 parts to 8 parts sterile water and a few drops of peppermint oil as a vasodilator ...20 mins twice a day . Regular sensible excersize ...broad spectrum of vitamins and minerals I spent $100 a month . Good luck
Thank you for the video. Just wanted to ask I know briefly he mentioned some symptoms improving but did anyone's orthostatic intolerance improve with dissolving the clots?
I would like to know too
Thank you Gez!! I think under the circumstances GPs should prescribe triple therapy to patients if they request it. The longer the wait the worse!
Problem is getting GPs aware of any of this in the first place, I have no idea what type of doctor to even talk to regarding any of the treatment this video mentioned.
@@twocanplay7976 in the US? Functional medicine specialist!
Hi Gez, This is the first of your videos that I have watched in about a year. The reason? I'm very much better. I caught covid in March of 2020 and felt the physical effects of long-covid for about 18 months and still, very much less in the last few months, have trouble reading/concentrating. I have always eaten porridge (breakfast), plus fish (lunch/dinner) but additional foods that appear to have helped with "my" long-covid are: pineapple/pomegranate, mixed nuts, avocado, dark chocolate (80%). Back in the dark days, I made sure to eat red meat (steak/liver) and used to drink good quality Indian Tonic Water - I don't know why but it seemed to help me, especially, with my blood (my fingers looked different for the first 6 weeks, each time I caught covid). I know that my diet is expensive and won't suit all, but I really believe that what I eat, and drink, has helped my greatly. I also drink far less alcohol than I used to, and hardly drunk a drop for the first year of long-covid. Just to add that you are looking much healthier than you did a few years back, but you might want to take another skiing holiday, as I remember you looked super-healthy on your return from the Swiss Alps. Finally, just to wish you well and to thank you for all your excellent, pioneering, work!
Thank you Joe! So glad to hear you’re doing so much better!
So, What did you do to help/fix your LH symptoms
Interesting concerning the endothelium/vascular damage he mentions. One of the most striking phenotypes I had was very distended/swollen veins in my arms. This eventually improved after 6 months.
Hi David, we’re yours painful too? Did they just gradually get better. I’m going on about 7 months with this symptom, mostly in my hands. It’s so scary. Thx
@@TheLisajoyce In my case the nerve and joint pain in my hands came after veins started to look normal again
@@DavidS-ox3li Gosh, I’m so sorry. Are you still dealing with this pain? Did you do anything for the bulging veins or do you think it was just time that helped?
Swollen and Distended veins in the neck causing pretty painful neck tension has been my problems at 9 months. Incredibly awful paired with shortness of breath.
My blood vessels in my neck would swell. It was weird. And on my arms they swell now n then
Interesting. I had a 23andme test done a few years ago and it came back to tell me I was a slow responder to clopidrogel and best treated with something else as its less effective for me. I wonder if all the poor responsders he treated have the same in their genetic reports. It feels useful to know and I probably won't bother trying it!
Really helpful video, thanks Gez. Sometimes there are medical terms and I would love if you could type up the medication and test names on the screen as it can be hard to catch them, and I'm not sure I trust the captions to report them accurately either.
Did you do 23 & me a full med / health test?
@@harlequinhead2008 not a medical test, this was just from my genetics report.
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Yes I understand that. Anything is helpful at this point. Thx for sharing.
I used a baby aspirin, 400-500 mg of Niacin, and Nattokinase. At one point I was unable to walk and struggled to read, but 13 months later I had returned to the gym. I do not know if my mixing of these three was safe and in correct dosages. I have suspected that it made a big difference but of course I have no way to prove that.
Awesome interview! Thank you!
Seems to be a good bit of positive research regarding Niacin, especially when taken in larger doses such as what you described. Good for vascular inflammation, endothelial dysfunction, and ultimately sufferers of various auto-immune issues, as well as long covid. Still doing research myself, but for those out there looking for help, you might try digging into studies involving niacin/nicotinic acid.
Great until you developed allergy to aspirin :( I'm on plavix.And the platelets continue to rise! Over 500 now. Entered covaids march 2020 at 200s.
Is that flush or no flush niacin?
@@timmyschannel5 Flush. I'm often red.
@@Jennifer-gr7hn Sorry to hear that. That's definitely an extra variable that complicates things. How about Niacin?
Anyone here in chat who got treated by this doc and fully recovered? I see some posts saying they just have partial recovery
Hey Gez! Great Video. I wanted to ask you if there is new Information how to prevent Long Covid? Is your old Video still up to date? Thank you for your work
Old video still up to date!
Had acute DVT’s some years ago and following my six month course of anticoagulants, I now take 75mg Aspirin everyday. Not vaccinated nor have I had covid.
Fish oil is a good natural blood thinner.
Not so sure about his approach, as I have been on anti coagulant and anti platelet for a month last spring with not much difference. Still, many thank to Gez for showing different points of view.
Yep, it doesn’t work for everyone and is only an indirect treatment
Can you all explain what the symptoms are of clot breakdown that is a good sign ???
I have a history of low platelets, does anyone know if this treatment and/or also just taking nattokinase have any adverse affects?, thanks and as ever thanks again Gez.
Can you add the details of the tests and therapies into the description please??
Thank you for this video. Would it be possible to have the transcript of what is being said, or at least add the names of tests and medications in the description ? Sometimes, when you are not a native British person, it can be hard to décider technical terms we have never heard before, much less know how to spell them to look into them. Thanks !
You can get a transcript off the closed captions in RUclips. As for the drugs mentioned: aspirin, Clopidogrel, apixaban, dabagatran.
@@RUNDMC1 Thanks !
@@ApprendreSansEcoleHi. Did you try the anticoagulant therapy??
Thank You !!!
Cheers Travers!
My ten-year-old daughter has been sick with long haul COVID for about 14 months and was seen at the John Hopkins as Kennedy Krieger Hospital. Five different specialists examined my daughter but barely did much to help ease any of the many symptoms. Would anyone know what medications are given to the kids with insomnia, body aches, GI, and fatigue?
Thank you for your videos. Does this treatment is being used for all post covid related symptoms? Or only for certain symptoms?
Pretty much all
Thank you for all your videos Gez, I'm over 2.5yrs in and have been very sick but now seeing very slow progress. Your videos have been invaluable for advice and keeping my hopes up. I would be very nervous of any anticoagulant therapy, even Natto because when I flare my blood pressure goes through the roof. I'd be worried I'd have a major bleed.
Wishing everyone good health. x
Wishing you the best in your recovery Kate!
Wishing you the best in your recovery Kate!
you could consider trying the food form of Nattokinase, which is fermented soya beans . The Japanese have been eating it for breakfast for many years . (Tastes yuk)
@@Rose-hw3dm if you make and add it to homemade miso soup and only use about 1/4 of the serving packet, its much more palatable and for me that is enough to feel its effects
You can try flccc protocols for long covid.
Light at the end of the tunnel 👏
What tests did he mention exactly to possibly ask a provider to test for microclots?
I wanted to clap Dr Laubscher when he said, if you don't believe it do your own study and prove me wrong. I'm fed up of doctors treating microclot research like it's "quack medicine" (quotation marks not for emphasis)
It's so hard for someone with brain fog to understand Dr Jaco, Gez can you give us what he said about what test will work and meds please?
Yes pkease
Please*
I also could not understand the tests... If someone could please write them down... Thank you!
He is using what is available but still treating the symptoms. I know he said some recovered completely, but is it proven why?!
It seems the question still is why the clotting happens, why the endothelium can't heal itself, what is the trigger, inflammation?
I'm getting the sense that we need to start looking at how we can really break down the doors on the resistance to treatment pathways that seem to be happening pretty much everywhere.
Targeted campaigns would be the next logical step rather than having to wait for a benevolent funding source to turn up to drive research.
Health has always been a political hot potato and I am getting the sense that we really need to be annoying politicians with some effort to force them to hasten the agenda...
Dr Laubscher seems clear that the longer the damage is left untreated the higher the potential risk of recovery failure seems to be..
I’m not sure I agree re more likely lasting damage - we don’t have any evidence for this yet
Is there any way to titrate up to the nattokinase 2000 FU? Also wondering if this is contraindicated if I'm on the lower end of normal blood pressure.
Great video! I'll dig into the papers now. I have one question: you were discussing the side effects, and mentioned them by a certain name. As I'm entering into aspirin-treatment I'd like to know what to expect to be able to cope with a potential worsening of symtomes. What was the name of the side-effect-phenomenon?
Herx effect
@@RUNDMC1 Thanks a lot Gez
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Thank you very much, Gez. Also the wonderful book. I am in my 5th month of long covid. Night palpitations and sleep seems getting better. But, some symptoms similar to pots are still going on. But my Pots cardiologist diagnosed me without Pots. Not sure my symptoms are caused by micro clots or Dysautonomia, as my cardiologist told me that we don’t have any rest for the micro clots. I really wish I can back to my normal 34 years old sports life. Except for the drugs, any conservative supplements can circulate the micro clots? Like serrapetase? Or Vitamin B3
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Yes to both of those - aspirin may also be worth taking. Also make sure you’re supplementing the basics like vits c and d. Consider some probiotics too.
Glad you’re enjoying the book!
@@RUNDMC1 thank you, Gez. If possible, hopefully your books can be translated into Korean, Japanese or Chinese, we do lots of Asian long covid patients needs the guidance to recover in our Asian communities. Thank you, Gez. You are a hero to help patients to find a hope.
@@RUNDMC1 any idea of dosing for Aspirin? 81 mg to start? I don’t have access to any testing to see if I actually have microclotting but want to be proactive. Thanks!
@jerrygao458 how are you doing now?
Where can you get an endoPat test in UK??? Cant find them anywhere
Hope you continue discussions and Q&A 👊🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
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I just had a heart attack last week and have been started on aspirin 75mg, bisoprolol 2.5mg once a day plus ticagrelor 90mg twice per day. I have apparently been suffering from long covid for 7 months where I have been exhausted and have had muscular pain and throbbing in my calves. Several days after my heart attack and starting treatment I feel better than I have in 7 months. I am no longer exhausted and the throbbing in my calves is gone.
I wonder how you feel lately?
NAC - Serrapeptase - Nattokinase.
I had a pulmonary embolism and needed a pacemaker from either Covid or someone transmitted their clot shot spike protein to me. I cannot fully recover. Heart palpitations, out of breath, chest pain, tired, etc. I’m on Eliquis but hate taking it because I know it damaging my body and I can’t mix it with Nattokinese. I wanna try Nattokinese but this is a catch 22. My doctors were/are useless. I don’t understand this triple therapy. Where can I get it? I live in Florida, USA.
Hi Gez, thank you for the amazing work you did and still do on this topic!
I'm a first waver of march 2020 and still struggling like many others..
Dr Laubscher talked about VO2max tests to highlight clotting effect, right? Do you know how are we supposed to observe that? I can't find any information or paper on this subject and Dr Pretorius team are not mentionning it in their paper.
I performed a VO2max test one month ago but cardiologist are still concluding "deconditioning syndrome"
I can't figure out how to read my results accordingly to microclotting evidence.
Many thanks again for your work and help :)
Hi Martin - did you crash after your VO2 max test?
Ultimately if your results were sub par, that is the indication that something is wrong. The establishment will say deconditioning - WHICH IT ISNT - but truth be told we don’t *know* exactly what is causing it. The microclots theory would suggest that the capillaries to your muscles are blocked and oxygen transfer compromised - hence poor output. There is also likely to be inefficient metabolism and poor mitochondrial function.
@@RUNDMC1 , thank you for your answer!
I did crash after the test, it was not as bad as the first one I performed in june 2020 maybe because I now have an O2 concentrator at home and used it a lot after the test to get better. But still, it last 4-5 weeks...
My test results are : Functional Capacity reduced to 62% of theoretical with a peak of
Vo2 max at 25.6 ml/min/kg but max HR : 192 bpm (102% of theoric)
VEGF was 26,08 pg/mL in july
I tried to explain these theories but almost none is listening here (in France)
I have followed the hypothesis you are talking, about mitochondrial dysfunction and poor muscles oxygenation.
I'm doing low intensity exercices when possible while taking O2 in order to allow angiologic / endothelial repair and mitochondrial improvement with specific supplements / drugs : arginine / vit C, NAC, clopidogrel, statins, niacin, carnitine, gluthation, melatonine.
It seems efficient to get better but don't know if it will be enough to fully recover
I'm now wondering if it could be safe to add aspirin as well...
@@MartinBassat8 Talk to your doctor first, but generally yes aspirin is safe hence being able to get it over the counter!
Honestly before you start trying to recondition physically I think the key is calming the nervous system down. I’ve started Suzy Bolts classes recently and honestly can’t recommend them enough.
Once the nervous system is calmer then you can start to build back in the physical work but until then you won’t be able to do enough to actually make a difference before you induce a crash.
Trust me when I say you’re not as deconditioned as you think you might be! (Assuming that you’re not bedbound in terms of level of severity of LC)
What about the MATH+ protocol? Steroids, Ascorbic acid (high dose), Thiamine and Heparin? Check to make sure the Vitamin D3 blood level is above 80 ng/ml and run a thyroid panel too.
I have tried NAC and Nattoleinase and notice that I bruise easy and a small cut can bleed queit profussely. Any advice? Thank you.
thank you for the vidéo. I am from France and i have long covid since 2 years. Could you telle me how contact Dr Laubscher ? does he have a web site or a chanel ? thank you
Sir I have a clothing problem which results in pain in one leg if I take asprin what dosage I can how many months
Bleeding from capillary damage? Have to get the reason for clotting? damaged rbc's or restricted veins making it appear to be clotting , calcium or some other buildup restricting the lumen, spleen not functioning, too many platelets, a open wound internally, entire bloodstream has more volume of serem or not enough, ect?
Wow. I'm at 2 yrs so this makes me nervous. I feel like I am improving though (VERY SLOWLY). If I can get back to 80 or 90 percent I would be happy. I'm too scared to try triple therapy. I'm doing a baby aspirin and natto and praying.
Good luck Tony! Film on natto up next week
@@RUNDMC1 Thanks! We are going to beat this!
how are you doing now?
What about streptokinase? It can be obtained from its German manufacturer. It has an excellent track record in human use to treat heart attacks and strokes. It directly disintegrates the insoluble fibrin molecule.
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Anybody tried the old time spring blood thinner sassafrass?
Atorvastatin helped me some, but changing my lifestyle helped me too.
Is PT/INR abnormal prior to treatment?
I think this pathology and treatment seems very promising. But can someone explain - if it's the endothelial damage and microclots which are the drivers of long covid, how can we explain how some days we feel much better then other days we feel much worse? TIA
it depends where the blood clots end up blocking at that particular time. when u exercise or go sleep then they get moved to a different position and create stoppages elsewhere and give you a new happy basket of problems to deal with.
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Hey Gez, so basically what Laubscher is saying is that the blood has become extremely sticky so the anti coagulation medication he's suggesting is basically trying to get the blood back to what it USED to be, he's not trying to make it thinner than normal?
I do feel when I take aspirin x1 then I feel alot better provided I keep My tempo for the day subdued.
My question is does taking aspirin x2 automatically make your blood x2 thinner vs x1 aspirin?
I find if I go for a cold water swim/or get too cold my hands go white and I can lteraly massage /move the blood around in my fingers but it Doenst flow. Hot bath seems to change that the oppersite way.
Yes that’s exactly what he’s saying - and re aspirin, no. More effective at lower doses - 75mg usually.
Please, how do I get a hold of this doctor
I clotted from Covid. Been on eliquis for a few weeks followed by heparin and acenocoumarol since june 2020... unfortunately still a longhauler.
How did you know you clotted. Im worried about this
Could someone please write what the l are the tests he mentioned? I heard microscopy and endothelial function tests (but what are those tests called?), vo2 and then what were the others?
It mentions blocking of Collagen/epinephrine channels with regards to the platelets at around 13 minutes in. I am taking Collagen daily, does anyone know if this would be counterproductive with regards to the clotting situation? Thanks
I would say that the collagen you're taking and body collagen are very different.
Is ozone therapy enough to get the blood to stop being so sticky?
I took Nattokinase while Dealing with and Overcoming LC.
Where do you buy it?
Among Almost 30 Other Vitamins, Minerals, and Medicines ⚕️⚕️⚕️
@@sixpackbinky Got it on AMazon
How much natto Josh?
I'm presently checking to order some of this product. Was it in its natural form or pills? Did you take it with other products/treatments as well? Can you explain how it helped you?
Do consistently low platelets (110-120) suggest something even when not accompanied by any haemorrhages? Frequent long standing episodes of cold/cough/fever being present though. And widespread pain.
Thank you all for this very helpful video. I am going to approach my gp with info you provided, to hopefully be referred to a consultant.
Can you tell me if the patients treated using the triple anticoagulant therapy have had recurrent symptoms due to persistent viral reservoirs restarting the Long Covid processes?
Might there be a need for antivirals or treatment of leaky gut to prolong the efficacy?
Thanks again. Karen Richardson.
Hi Karen, we don’t have definitive evidence yet for viral persistence, so at the moment this is still a theory. We also don’t have huge amounts of data on symptom recurrence for those on blood thinners. It’s still early days on both fronts unfortunately!
@@RUNDMC1 thanks for the quick reply. I understand, this is pioneering work. Happy new year! Hoping its a good one for progress into successful treatment of LC and ME/CFS.
Does anybody know if fluorescence microscopy testing for micro clots is available in the UK?
Hi I am very interested s well. Seems they are don't care....
Could you please let me know if you find something please please.
Regards Andrei
Where can one recieve treatment?
'Natural' suggestion: Cayenne pepper.
(See Barbara O'Neil)
Yeah, whose fault is that? I had a stroke.....and was sent home because I didn't take the vent. Thank GOD I went outside the system and I'm doing IV ozone, chelation, supplements, etc....but...the platelets continue going up. Yup, platelet activation alright. I went into severe covaids march 2020 .....at 200. Now, over 500. Listening, following, and thankful for Dr Bruce Patterson who first brought all of this up.
Merci Gez pour cette vidéo, c est toujours très intéressant ! Je suis un peu effrayée car j ai un longcovid depuis mars 2020 et mon état est de pire en pire depuis ma dernière covid en juin dernier. Cela fait longtemps que je veux essayer la nattokinase et la serrapeptase. L équipe Tunisienne dont parle le docteur à été, à l époque, le 1er espoir pour les longcovid, mais malheureusement, ici en France, comme au UK, impossible d avoir le médicament dont ils parlaient... Force à tous !!!!
Film on natto coming next week!
Can the body heal itself with time if you have micro-clots or will it always need some form of anticoagulant treatment. At present the blood tests in the UK aren’t picking up micro-clots, so will it get worse and harder to treat left untreated or will the body eventually heal itself? My Long covid clinic consultant said on December 3rd 2022, there is no treatment available for long covid. Feelings of abandonment and despair are so real.
The body can heal. So many have recovered without this treatment
I've started nattokinase and feeling relief already.
How you feeling today? Has it been helpful? Also, just natto or also something else?
Does anyone happen to know if there are any doctors in the US who do the triple anticoagulant therapy?
There's one in Alabama