One of my sisters when still young, went with this one guy for years, then one day he hit her. Just a slap. She broke it off with him on the spot, and refused to take him back. Her therapist congratulated her, telling her that is all to rare, in her experience.
@@francesbernard2445 Yes. Or living together. Turned out he was cheating on her too. Though she found that out later. One time when visiting our parents, he stayed home, got drunk, and sited for driving under the influence. According to him, that made it her fault. If she had been there that weekend, he would not have got drunk and pulled over. I believe that's what started the fight she got slapped for. Her next boyfriend was much nicer, a real good guy. They did not last long, but it was a happy relationship.
@@Coffeedrinker291 -It was great on my sisters end, who went on to find her true love. Unfortunately, her ex-boyfriend never did learn. He ended up passing his bad childhood onto a wife and kids.
So sad. This defence was used in the Grace Millane case too. Rough sex is not a defence for killing a woman. Couples know not to kill each other. And couples don't have rough sex in a car in a public place which involves beating each other up to that extent.
This is why once someone puts their hands on me I leave. I've had it happen to me twice. The first time it was my son's father. We were engaged. He locked me in a room for two days with his grandmother's help. He thought because we had a kid I wouldn't leave. I left with the baby and the clothes on our backs. Never looked back. First time was the last. He ended up marrying a woman (a wam he had been cheating on me with) with adult son's who wouldn't put up with their mother being abused. They got divorced a few years later. One of his sons is now a politican and covers for his father and his fathers past abuses of women. The second time was with my ex-husband, he forgot two things.....1) I left someone before for hitting me. 2) I took boxing as a teenager. I defended myself and walked out that same night. Never looked back. First time was the last in that one too. They all try the I'm sorry baby and so on. Nope....no thank you. Keep it moving, but not with me. My exhusband is now in prison for attempted murder of one of his girlfriends. That could have been me. I dodge multiple bullets, leaving them once the hand went up against me.
Most of all when that has nothing to do with true love when it becomes only a rape culture caused triangulation crisis that you find yourself in when you are only trying to be sociable instead of being always ever a stick in the mud Schizotypal type personality just because you don't own your own car too. By the way owning your own car doesn't always help if people in your crowd tend to see any woman driver as bein only ever a disobedient to her parents and probable a trauma survivor who is attracting violence type of gal. Or when it is just the kind of man who thinks that whenever a woman admits that they love him that means it is automatic going to mean marriage to him next too even before he asks her to marry him only because he thinks he is so great. Some women are like that too - Scary ones. Scary women for example who wouldn't mind at all when being asked to be experimenting on people to find more out about how the body functions during the experience of romance so they wouldn't have to remain an actor any more.
Haha, seriously. The part of the video where Todd says, "Jet said that Kaylee said that she would break up with Mark at the festival." Weeeeew lad. Hahaha, was she trying to drive that guy fucking crazy? That's some peak hot-women-in-early-20s-behavior. Not that it justifies her murder, obviously.
@@estefanymurillo22 It shows she had a severe brain stem injury. It's called 'agonal breathing', and sounds like heavy wet snoring - but can't be confused for sleep snoring (a very disturbing sound)
True, though as a nurse I seriously doubt a lay person could make that determination. Heck I’ve known both experienced nurses and doctors who can not, so an untrained lay person is unlikely to be aware.
Happy Father’s Day Dr. Grande, I hope you are having an enjoyable day with your family.✨🌹 On another note, your work ethic is boundless. On this special day, you still uploaded not one but two videos, the Patreon release was also excellent. Thank you for both.❤️
I never met Cayley, but I know her Grandfather. I was so shocked and saddened to hear what had happened to her. I hope her family gets the justice they deserve ❤️
That sounds most logical or only a little more far fetched it could be one or more people including Mark being predatory towards poor minority students most of all if they are poor veterans too whom they want to experiment on after that student admits to anyone that they have gone through a lot.
I think it was def the marijuana found in his car that put this case over the edge. Not the previous assaults, destruction of property, or even the firearm. But the pot was def what's gonna do it.
Thank you for bringing attention to this story, Dr. Grande. I went to school with her and it truly shook us all to the core when it happened. Such a sad story and a horrible ending that could have been avoided.
Sensible strategy. What do you do though if when you accept a date with someone else who starts feeling sorry for his friend of over age 18 whom you used to date until he told you that his father told him that he had to stop dating you and then while dating someone else who is only a high school student after the over age 18 year old guy shows up at the same function that you and your high school new boy friend went to after he got so drunk there that it was unsafe for him to drive home in his own car? Happened to me once when I was only age 16 and the whole time while being driven on home on that date while being driven by an underage driver it felt so scary because of what was going on in that car so that later I refused to see the man over age 18 given a lift ever again next when he called me up to ask me out on a date again despite the fact that his father had warned him to stay away from me. Then the immature only a high school student who had borrowed his daddy's car when going out on that date with me without bothering to ask me any questions about what had happened and how I had felt about the whole ordeal then stopped seeing me which was no great loss too. The over age 18 year old was studying to become a lawyer.
There’s a lot of reasons to love this channel, but I’m going to highlight one of my favourites by shouting out the constant solid analogies… I feel like some people that use a lot of analogies force them a bit and I’m like “yeah, that’s kinda the same thing I guess…” with some of them, but in these videos they’re always right on the money.
@Hash Kushum a lot of he said she said, bizarre details, a love triangle. maybe not the most complex or dramatic but there are def layers to think about. like the drugs etc
A lot of people enjoy rough sex, they don't end up dead or, end up killing their sexual partner. No one should ever be allowed to use that as a defense. Lastly, if you have a loved one of life support, please don't let the doctors and staff pressure you to remove them too quickly. I learned first hand that the brain is amazing. Sometimes the body needs a bit of time to recover. A week or two isn't long enough. My POV only.
That is very good advice in my experience. I have a strict DNR for myself, for both health and financial reasons. I have set my finances up to benefit my family in the most useful way possible. As I have aged, I have adjusted my health directives to reflect the most likely outcomes I might expect to experience should I encounter an unexpected health crisis. A younger person in good health may want to allow months, instead of mere weeks, on life support.
Doctors wouldnt remove the life support if there was a chance for the brain to recover. These kinda conclusions are usually made after several tests for brain blood flow or neural activity.
Very true! My boyfriend was in the ICU 3 different times on life support but the first time was the worst and he had multiple strokes and suffered brain damage and they didn't think he would make it and if he did that he was be in a vegetative state for the rest of his life but nobody gave up hope and he wound up coming out of it (it took him awhile of course. And he still has health issues to this day because of all the accidents he's had.) I am his Power of Attorney (healthcare anyways) and I would never pull the plug on him! He's a fighter and a survivor!
Wow, your lessons at the end are so incredibly well put...."Its not a small event in a relationship, it should be considered as a shocking and horrible event." I know someone who is habitually attracted to the "red flag" types of people, and she just refuses to listen to good, solid advice. I wish she'd listen to your many words of wisdom! ♡
Hello Mr. Todd...lovely to see you again....people always seem to get into relationships they have no business being in. Never is good to mess with married people. Too much room for serious problems. Thank you . Take care. Stay safe and well and your family also.
Thanks for the video Dr. Grande! When I see cases like this, I'm so glad I'm a happy single.. It will be interesting to see how this case will end. I hope you'll give us an update when court is over. Love from the Netherlands ❤🌵
As always your videos are so organised and articulate. You assert just enough opinion for it to still be educational. Really interesting take on this case and you’ve added more insight despite the fact I’ve heard this case a few times.
Dr. Grande and community… Wishing a happy Father’s Day to decent dads. Keep in mind what a dad is, not what society necessarily labels, sometimes it’s the quiet solitude and thought that you can call home anytime. I am publicly honoring my father. He walked softly but their was always a quiet understanding with my father Val E. Yates. Not a perfect man but a good man. He was humble and way too hard on himself vs. others. An optimist and a navy veteran. He died 2018. I actually cannot remember the day in November 2018…. Anyhow I wanted to honor him her because I feel safe to do so in our community. As far as this case sad. Sick that rough sex is actually considered ok when it borders on sadism and well we know some of the rest of this story. Scary stuff! 🤔❤️🌎🇺🇸✊😜😳🤭
I'm glad I managed to cut ties off with my abusive ex when I was a teen. I was young and didn't see the signs. He was extremely insecure, jealous and possessive but I just thought that was love. I wanted to get out the relationship for months but I was scared to. I did it right before summer holidays so I wouldn't have to face him. He still stalked and harassed me and my friends for another 2 years. Stayed single for a long time after that because I felt like I couldn't even breathe freely during that relationship. I don't know what kind of lies he spread about me either because even years later when I was in college, one of his friends would call me names every time they walked past me.
@@joycejnn I'm with her it's not funny, it's an institutional failing of the prison system. Making light of men being raped is particularly grim on a mental health analysis channel.
We had an awful case of a homicide in Greece unraveling in the past couple of days. A pilot killed his wife and tried to make it look like a burglary. The most disturbing aspect is that his placed their 11 month old daughter next to her dead mother and also hanged their dog in order to throw the police of his scent. The police made him confess after 37 days of lying. I felt it compelling that a psychologist that was analyzing the situation said that there doesn’t seem to be any psychological issues of psychopathic nature but just extreme narcissism combined with dominance and jealousy. It made me understand what she was saying due to all of your videos. She also made a point of saying that constantly saying that a killer is a psychopath is unfair to all the people that live with mental issues and deal with the stigma that they might be dangerous. Love the video, Doc.
The analogy of the "small bomb" was actually a really good way to put that. I just might use that someday. As scary and as difficult it can be to leave an abusive relationship, I truly hope anyone going through that is aware of the risks and better yet, leaves that risk.
WHAT ???!!! Some new cacti have joined the group?? The littler one is "camouflaged" against the brick wall, so hard to tell if he's really new or not. OK, back to watching today's video.
A relationship to a drug user is always going to influence that other person to become codependent over time regardless of who the other person is. A relationship with 2 drug users including the drug made in a persons brain through their own eyes and through their own will by being open to and participating in illicit sex is going to be codependent on both sides.
@@francesbernard2445 You don’t have to tell me. I dated and was in love with an alcoholic for a couple years and it definitely changed me during that time and I hated myself. I’m so glad I got out
Y'all do realize it's normal to use recreational drugs? Some of use CAN do that. Especially at a party, MDMA, from experience, should never cause violence or even wanting to be violated.
I appreciate all your views on every case I’ve watched. Very informative. I would love to see your take on the case of young Gabriel Fernandez…his story continues to haunt me. Thank you.
I was at the University around the time this happened. I didn't know Cayley but a lot of my friends did. The community was totally shaken by her death and moreso by the injustice of the potential perpetrator not being arrested for a long time.
It’s frustrating when they talk about bruising because bruising isn’t really apparent until 1-2 days after sustaining the injury! It’s not surprising bruises weren’t noticeable when she was admitted to the hospital.
I think it's time we had a new introduction to your cacti. There's quite a few additions since you last introduced us. There's also a very nice, homemade looking cactus. Oh and the video was very interesting as always. Thanks Dr. G.!
Dr. G! Looking sharp in that pink shirt sir! What a heartbreaking story this is! My boyfriend's sister died from a domestic violence incident. He was abusive to her and when she went to divorce him, he killed her (stabbed her to death). He's serving life in prison with no parole. My boyfriend doesn't really like to talk about it because it makes him so upset. It took him six months into even knowing him until he got the courage to tell me about his deceased sister (she was the oldest of six kids.). Women tend to be at higher risk of being killed when they try and leave their abusers sadly. It's hard to say what happened in this case, especially since they were into rough sex/rough stuff to begin with.
Yes. Because women and men perceived as maybe being gay are often being held to much higher standards in some circles aren't they. Probable only because when police are at work it is a only a little harder to arrest men while still trying to collect evidence. Might explain why while the number of gadgets are increasing making it necessary for police to spend more time behind screens where they will not be getting enough exercise the prison population when it comes to females ending up in prison increased at an alarming rate in some states more than others. Leaving so many investigators frustrated that it becomes easier for the lower ranking less dedicated of them to take it out on the nearest alleged female accomplice. However it is true that some female organized crime boss crooks are so much more scary to police than the majority of male crooks because of how much more manipulative and cunning they become when on a criminally minded vendetta to avenge the death of one of their own.
sometimes when women are in that position they NEver know are blinded, they still seek that sweet person who they believed they were with, and they are scared to leave. I know that even though it is obvious to others it isn't to the victim
Blunt force trauma could be to the back of her head, or any part of her head other than her face. Did the ME give an exact location of the head trauma.
His hand sores are from beating something in anger...like a wall or something. He freaked out after he took her head and banged it against something and realized he hurt her bad and she was gonna die. That's when he started hitting something with his hands. Voluntary Manslaughter.
Even if Dr. Grandes real name was Dr. Piccolo (meaning small, in Italian). He would still be *Grande* in the way he analyzes these cases with integrity and compassion. I particularly like the analogy of constructing small bombs, which are just as significant as large bombs. No matter the pink shirt, it still stands out amidst the gruelling depravity of the subject matter. A trinity of horror, no doubt.😢🥳😢. Thanks, Doctor. 😢😪😢
Dr G, would you please delve further into the psyche of people who do "rough sex", and what the appeal is..? I love sex like anyone else; but as a sexual trauma survivor, all of the screaming and banging around of my neighbor who does it literally gives me panic attacks. If I don't wear headphones to sleep I'm sleep deprived and anxiety ridden the following day. Honestly, I fall asleep to the calming sounds of your analyses most nights lately🥺. What could possibly be pleasurable in something that sounds so terrifying?
Happy Father's Day, Dr. Grande 🥰 ♥️🥂, I hope your day has been extra special 💞... I'm hoping you can evaluate the trial /jury/situation in the Chris (Kit) Martin triple murder case... The jury just found this man guilty despite all the reasonable doubt, especially with his bonkers of an ex wife whom surely framed him, planted evidence and refused to testify instead she and her spawn pled the 5th 🙄... Ohhhh and the RUclipsr drama concerning Creepshow Art, too long to get into... But yeah... Love you, Dr. G 😘!
Here from your 'Amityville' and 'Ed & Lorraine Warren' videos and love your points! I like your paranormal explanations in general. Could you look into the case that inspired the Exorcist next??
This makes me wonder how the men around her when she was growing up treated her. Like, was she used to being mistreated and she didn't see any cause for concern because it was normal to her? I also wonder why such a beautiful girl who could have literally any man she wanted would choose these two losers?? Why?
'Who's gonna believe me' type of situation... When a testimony sounds ridiculous and inculpatory, it could actually be the truth: A teacher called me out to explain a bad decision i made. I didnt wanna lie and insult his intellingence. My class mates probably expected me to wiggle out of trouble by lying. I told him what happened and the teacher only said ok. A few moments later i received a note from someone in the class. It said: if you are going to lie, at least learn how it's done. But it was the truth. I'm not saying the guy is innocent, just that sometimes truth can sound like a bad lie
@Hash Kushum lol Exactly. Who would offer an improbable explanation and incriminate themselves? Backhand slapping should not be as hard as regular slapping. It is impractical, but it does keep your partner safer if you get carried away. Why were the back of his hands red? I dont get that... somebody pulling him by the both of his hands? How does he carry on the assault if both of his hands are tied? I mean... i think he did it... a healthy young girl dies on a date.. and he had violent past (if i'm not mistaking) and she was playing with him.. there was definitely a motive. But what if he didnt cause her death?
He was insanely jealous and became sadistic, the strangle hold sex might have been the best excuse for him thinking he might get off lightly, anger through jealousy is murder, the first signs woman should look out for to leave a man as soon as possible if he has these traits
Between rough sex and murder is a vast chasm of difference. Her being on xtc does not mean anything, millions of youths are, they don't fall and kill themselves. There is lot of stupidity, wrong choices, irresponsibility in between all of those three young people, but only one murderer.
Isn't it ironic that the "rough sex" defense is used when the woman is the victim? Seriously???? It's like telling the teacher your dog ate your homework. It's probably not a good idea to have multiple relationships but definitely not a crime. Thank you Dr. Grande🪴🪴🪴🪴
And, isn't it ironic that the "rough sex" defense almost always goes along with a crook saying the dead woman was drinking and/or taking legal or illegal drugs? And, isn't it true that the same set of weak excuses are often offered in court too whenever a dead person room mate is a man instead? And so who was for real a lot of the time in crimes like these taking too much drug maybe starting when young for ADHD or MDMA [Ecstacy] for PTSD to make sure the student will please their folks enough with good grades? Researchers in South Carolina have begun experimenting with MDMA for patients with post-traumatic stress disorder.
Me and the Missus must be very vanilla, and gloriously so. The only rough sex going on in our house is when I have had toast in bed and dropped a crumb or two. So I can't imagine having rough sex, let alone, heaven forbid, in a petrol station, or car park, imagine being naked in a car, It's just wrong. A tragedy and waste of life occurred here, It's just so sad.
I had never heard of this case before and I live just outside of San Antonio. Leaving a music festival they thought it was a good idea to go all the way to Houston 3 hours away? AND that stretch of highway 10 is pretty desolate and exiting in the Luling area would give plenty of room to commit a murder
3 hours is for sure too far to risk having to walk home alone when it is already late at night most of all if you are a woman no matter how many people you are travelling with in the same vehicle. Unless you bring enough money for a hotel room to stay in by yourself, bear spray, 24 hour supply of water, mosquito repellent, a duffle bag with a one person tent in it, freeze dried food and your cell phone just in case all of the hotels are already full along the way back and you are very good at running away far enough and long enough for a potential successful attacker to give up just in case after you spy a gun being stashed behind the seat or whatever when a hotel owner as it turns out is running a brothel instead. Once in the early 1950's during the cold war my mother was out on a double date. The driver and the other man present in the vehicle started using coersive control tactics on my mother when she didn't go along with going from only a friend to her date to a romantic couple too like how the other woman was starting to agree to given the way she was responding in kind. The only reason she got away is because after the driver got complacent when believing that when already being up on the side of a mountain while getting closer to a gondola when stopped to go further she surprised them by starting to walk down the mountain herself. Good thing both men then gave up trying to coerce her into starting to go from one bed to another. Otherwise she may have ended up like Caley. Maybe that only had something to do with the fact that she is 6 ft. tall and there was probable 2 women present there too?
In my opinion, guilt beyond a reasonable doubt is impossible at this point. That leaves lawyers fighting it out to who will tell the best story. No one should lose their life by imprisonment for a good story. They should drop the charges for now and wait and see if actual evidence comes later. Kaylee's is a sad tale of bad choices that ended her life.
@@danielaramburo7648 There is reasonable doubt. We all can have our opinions but in this case there is no more rhan circumstantial evidence and that's debatable. I stayed the facts not my opinion.
When someone is in an abusive relationship; there are two ways to leave. The first is the front door and the second is in a body bag.
What about the back door or out the window ?
also cheating is never good
@@Gos1234567 😂
Lol...that was funny
One of my sisters when still young, went with this one guy for years, then one day he hit her. Just a slap. She broke it off with him on the spot, and refused to take him back. Her therapist congratulated her, telling her that is all to rare, in her experience.
Good thing she wasn't already married to him when he slapped her eh?
@@francesbernard2445 Yes. Or living together. Turned out he was cheating on her too. Though she found that out later. One time when visiting our parents, he stayed home, got drunk, and sited for driving under the influence. According to him, that made it her fault. If she had been there that weekend, he would not have got drunk and pulled over. I believe that's what started the fight she got slapped for. Her next boyfriend was much nicer, a real good guy. They did not last long, but it was a happy relationship.
Great on two ends- good for her, and taught the guy a valuable lesson too
GOOD FOR HER!
@@Coffeedrinker291 -It was great on my sisters end, who went on to find her true love. Unfortunately, her ex-boyfriend never did learn. He ended up passing his bad childhood onto a wife and kids.
When someone doesn't want to be with you, let them be and move on. Life moves on for the better.
she played with fire wanted both
@@tankthearc9875 the drama and make up sex is addicting to some.
So true! She wanted both guys.... who were both involved in drugs!!! She was also doing drugs ...(she was going nowhere fast!).
So sad. This defence was used in the Grace Millane case too. Rough sex is not a defence for killing a woman. Couples know not to kill each other. And couples don't have rough sex in a car in a public place which involves beating each other up to that extent.
Rough sex also doesn't include getting punched in the face/head repeatedly
Very toxic and abusive relationships end in bad/violent means.
rough sex is no excuse for killing anyone
@@brad7566 yep if he admitted to that definitely lying
So we're all experts on "rough sex". Who knows what others do?
This is why once someone puts their hands on me I leave. I've had it happen to me twice. The first time it was my son's father. We were engaged. He locked me in a room for two days with his grandmother's help. He thought because we had a kid I wouldn't leave. I left with the baby and the clothes on our backs. Never looked back. First time was the last. He ended up marrying a woman (a wam he had been cheating on me with) with adult son's who wouldn't put up with their mother being abused. They got divorced a few years later. One of his sons is now a politican and covers for his father and his fathers past abuses of women.
The second time was with my ex-husband, he forgot two things.....1) I left someone before for hitting me. 2) I took boxing as a teenager. I defended myself and walked out that same night. Never looked back. First time was the last in that one too.
They all try the I'm sorry baby and so on. Nope....no thank you. Keep it moving, but not with me. My exhusband is now in prison for attempted murder of one of his girlfriends. That could have been me. I dodge multiple bullets, leaving them once the hand went up against me.
You seem to choose all the wrong ones, huh?
God bless you girl ❤
I don't know how anybody can handle being in a love triangle, I think the negative emotions alone make trust and intimacy impossible.
Most of all when that has nothing to do with true love when it becomes only a rape culture caused triangulation crisis that you find yourself in when you are only trying to be sociable instead of being always ever a stick in the mud Schizotypal type personality just because you don't own your own car too. By the way owning your own car doesn't always help if people in your crowd tend to see any woman driver as bein only ever a disobedient to her parents and probable a trauma survivor who is attracting violence type of gal. Or when it is just the kind of man who thinks that whenever a woman admits that they love him that means it is automatic going to mean marriage to him next too even before he asks her to marry him only because he thinks he is so great. Some women are like that too - Scary ones. Scary women for example who wouldn't mind at all when being asked to be experimenting on people to find more out about how the body functions during the experience of romance so they wouldn't have to remain an actor any more.
@@francesbernard2445 u wot m8
@@francesbernard2445 take your meds dude
Haha, seriously. The part of the video where Todd says, "Jet said that Kaylee said that she would break up with Mark at the festival."
Weeeeew lad. Hahaha, was she trying to drive that guy fucking crazy? That's some peak hot-women-in-early-20s-behavior.
Not that it justifies her murder, obviously.
@@kswindl The same festival that Jet would also be at. WTF? 🤦♀️
That snoring is actually quite telling of a head injury.
Indeed. Indicative of coma.
Oh wow interesting
Why?
Agonal breathing.
@@estefanymurillo22 It shows she had a severe brain stem injury. It's called 'agonal breathing', and sounds like heavy wet snoring - but can't be confused for sleep snoring (a very disturbing sound)
She was not snoring in the car, it was the death gargle, the noises a person makes before they die.
Sadly yes.
Spot on Cherie.
That is heartbreaking 💔
True, though as a nurse I seriously doubt a lay person could make that determination. Heck I’ve known both experienced nurses and doctors who can not, so an untrained lay person is unlikely to be aware.
Another complex, sad case, with drugs involved. Always appreciate the work and thought put into cases Dr G 😊💜💜
Happy Father’s Day Dr. Grande, I hope you are having an enjoyable day with your family.✨🌹
On another note, your work ethic is boundless. On this special day, you still uploaded not one but two videos, the Patreon release was also excellent. Thank you for both.❤️
I never met Cayley, but I know her Grandfather. I was so shocked and saddened to hear what had happened to her. I hope her family gets the justice they deserve ❤️
I think he did kill her out of anger.
I think that Mark killed her intentionally. His taking her to the hospital was to make him appear innocent.
That sounds most logical or only a little more far fetched it could be one or more people including Mark being predatory towards poor minority students most of all if they are poor veterans too whom they want to experiment on after that student admits to anyone that they have gone through a lot.
I think it was def the marijuana found in his car that put this case over the edge. Not the previous assaults, destruction of property, or even the firearm. But the pot was def what's gonna do it.
Quite a risky move though, what if she survived?
i think she wanted good sex and a long term guy too. playing with fire is not good
Thank you for bringing attention to this story, Dr. Grande. I went to school with her and it truly shook us all to the core when it happened. Such a sad story and a horrible ending that could have been avoided.
Happy Father’s Day, Dr. G. Hope you have had a wonderful weekend 🙏🏼
The very first episode of violence in a relationship is a clear warning to walk away and NEVER look back.
Is breaking through a locked bedroom door violence?
@@chilloften yes, always.
Sensible strategy. What do you do though if when you accept a date with someone else who starts feeling sorry for his friend of over age 18 whom you used to date until he told you that his father told him that he had to stop dating you and then while dating someone else who is only a high school student after the over age 18 year old guy shows up at the same function that you and your high school new boy friend went to after he got so drunk there that it was unsafe for him to drive home in his own car? Happened to me once when I was only age 16 and the whole time while being driven on home on that date while being driven by an underage driver it felt so scary because of what was going on in that car so that later I refused to see the man over age 18 given a lift ever again next when he called me up to ask me out on a date again despite the fact that his father had warned him to stay away from me. Then the immature only a high school student who had borrowed his daddy's car when going out on that date with me without bothering to ask me any questions about what had happened and how I had felt about the whole ordeal then stopped seeing me which was no great loss too. The over age 18 year old was studying to become a lawyer.
@@francesbernard2445 Run as fast as you can.
@@cheridehart7771 ok thank you.
There’s a lot of reasons to love this channel, but I’m going to highlight one of my favourites by shouting out the constant solid analogies… I feel like some people that use a lot of analogies force them a bit and I’m like “yeah, that’s kinda the same thing I guess…” with some of them, but in these videos they’re always right on the money.
I haven’t heard of this case so thanks for bringing it to light and giving an analysis!
Such a great topic. There are alot of layers to this case. Thanks for this Dr. G. Please consider Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys.
@Hash Kushum a lot of he said she said, bizarre details, a love triangle. maybe not the most complex or dramatic but there are def layers to think about. like the drugs etc
Abusers often threaten suicide as a form of manipulation and as Dr. Grande said to introduce the idea of death in the relationship.
A 22-year old driving a Mercedes is a huge red flag.
Seems like they were both involved in the "drug game".
Nope, not always haha
They often like to go stalking young women at schools only for women being run by nuns.
A spoiled, entitled brat.
@@exxzaikialol6096 pretty much 100% of the time.
These are really well done , I’m glad I found your page
A lot of people enjoy rough sex, they don't end up dead or, end up killing their sexual partner. No one should ever be allowed to use that as a defense. Lastly, if you have a loved one of life support, please don't let the doctors and staff pressure you to remove them too quickly. I learned first hand that the brain is amazing. Sometimes the body needs a bit of time to recover. A week or two isn't long enough. My POV only.
That is very good advice in my experience. I have a strict DNR for myself, for both health and financial reasons. I have set my finances up to benefit my family in the most useful way possible. As I have aged, I have adjusted my health directives to reflect the most likely outcomes I might expect to experience should I encounter an unexpected health crisis. A younger person in good health may want to allow months, instead of mere weeks, on life support.
What a noble individual you are with great life knowledge.
Doctors wouldnt remove the life support if there was a chance for the brain to recover. These kinda conclusions are usually made after several tests for brain blood flow or neural activity.
@@eldiablo4528 Absolutely.
Very true! My boyfriend was in the ICU 3 different times on life support but the first time was the worst and he had multiple strokes and suffered brain damage and they didn't think he would make it and if he did that he was be in a vegetative state for the rest of his life but nobody gave up hope and he wound up coming out of it (it took him awhile of course. And he still has health issues to this day because of all the accidents he's had.) I am his Power of Attorney (healthcare anyways) and I would never pull the plug on him! He's a fighter and a survivor!
You are the best teacher I wish I always had.
Wow, your lessons at the end are so incredibly well put...."Its not a small event in a relationship, it should be considered as a shocking and horrible event."
I know someone who is habitually attracted to the "red flag" types of people, and she just refuses to listen to good, solid advice. I wish she'd listen to your many words of wisdom! ♡
I 500% do not buy Mark’s story.
Bruises inside her legs and blunt force trauma to her head seems to rule out a fall.
Hello Mr. Todd...lovely to see you again....people always seem to get into relationships they have no business being in. Never is good to mess with married people. Too much room for serious problems. Thank you . Take care. Stay safe and well and your family also.
It was murder. The perpetrators always say it’s rough sex when it’s rape etc
You always lie for free?
that is not how etc works you should give at least 2 example then proceed with etc
I hope I’m never featured on Dr. Grande’s channel as a victim or an aggressor.
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I surely hope you won’t be featured as the agressor either
@@trouaconti7812 I don't want to be a victim featured on here either.
Why would you be the aggressor? 😛
@@konijndehaas9167 If you have to pick one, which would you choose?
Thanks for the video Dr. Grande!
When I see cases like this, I'm so glad I'm a happy single..
It will be interesting to see how this case will end. I hope you'll give us an update when court is over.
Love from the Netherlands ❤🌵
I hope the police have checked security cameras in both areas he claims they parked.
Nice
Your ending statements are simply * *chef's kiss* *
As always your videos are so organised and articulate. You assert just enough opinion for it to still be educational. Really interesting take on this case and you’ve added more insight despite the fact I’ve heard this case a few times.
Dr. Grande and community… Wishing a happy Father’s Day to decent dads. Keep in mind what a dad is, not what society necessarily labels, sometimes it’s the quiet solitude and thought that you can call home anytime. I am publicly honoring my father. He walked softly but their was always a quiet understanding with my father Val E. Yates. Not a perfect man but a good man. He was humble and way too hard on himself vs. others. An optimist and a navy veteran. He died 2018. I actually cannot remember the day in November 2018…. Anyhow I wanted to honor him her because I feel safe to do so in our community.
As far as this case sad. Sick that rough sex is actually considered ok when it borders on sadism and well we know some of the rest of this story. Scary stuff! 🤔❤️🌎🇺🇸✊😜😳🤭
What a wonderful tribute to your father. You were blessed to have him, and he was blessed to have you. ❤❤❤
@@JustDr.S thank you.
@@elanahammer1076 ❤
I'm glad I managed to cut ties off with my abusive ex when I was a teen. I was young and didn't see the signs. He was extremely insecure, jealous and possessive but I just thought that was love. I wanted to get out the relationship for months but I was scared to. I did it right before summer holidays so I wouldn't have to face him. He still stalked and harassed me and my friends for another 2 years. Stayed single for a long time after that because I felt like I couldn't even breathe freely during that relationship. I don't know what kind of lies he spread about me either because even years later when I was in college, one of his friends would call me names every time they walked past me.
Happy father's day Dr Grande!
Happy father's day and thank you for your you tube content
If Mark is convicted of her murder he'll _really_ find out about rough sex. Five hundred percent.
Hopefully he will find out in prison
@@thereal4113 Rape isn't funny, nor is it anything to wish upon someone.
Hahaha! Its not always rape in prison. But for most of them they wont talk about it later
@@katyafan the remark was for people with a sense of humour
@@joycejnn I'm with her it's not funny, it's an institutional failing of the prison system. Making light of men being raped is particularly grim on a mental health analysis channel.
We had an awful case of a homicide in Greece unraveling in the past couple of days. A pilot killed his wife and tried to make it look like a burglary. The most disturbing aspect is that his placed their 11 month old daughter next to her dead mother and also hanged their dog in order to throw the police of his scent. The police made him confess after 37 days of lying. I felt it compelling that a psychologist that was analyzing the situation said that there doesn’t seem to be any psychological issues of psychopathic nature but just extreme narcissism combined with dominance and jealousy. It made me understand what she was saying due to all of your videos. She also made a point of saying that constantly saying that a killer is a psychopath is unfair to all the people that live with mental issues and deal with the stigma that they might be dangerous. Love the video, Doc.
You are right with your arguments, doctor.🌺
u looking great today dr grande!! love the pink
Yes! I speculate that cool winter colours work best on Dr. Grande.
@@ultraviolet6989 hehehe i rly like the pink shirt on him tho
Very interesting, yet very sad story. I had never heard about this case before. Sounds a little bizarre to me.
Brilliant analysis as per usual. Happy Fathers Day Dr Grande, hope you have a great day.Your content and channel are the best.
The analogy of the "small bomb" was actually a really good way to put that. I just might use that someday. As scary and as difficult it can be to leave an abusive relationship, I truly hope anyone going through that is aware of the risks and better yet, leaves that risk.
Aaaaw is that new cactus 🌵 crafted by your kids for Father’s Day? It’s cute either way and happy Father’s Day 😃
WHAT ???!!! Some new cacti have joined the group?? The littler one is "camouflaged" against the brick wall, so hard to tell if he's really new or not. OK, back to watching today's video.
Happy Father’s Day! Hope your gift was not a neck tie. 😁
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Happy Father's Day to you Dr Grande! Thank you for another great analysis! Keep up the good work doc!💙💙
Very confusing case
Toxic codependent relationships and drugs is always a disaster
A relationship to a drug user is always going to influence that other person to become codependent over time regardless of who the other person is. A relationship with 2 drug users including the drug made in a persons brain through their own eyes and through their own will by being open to and participating in illicit sex is going to be codependent on both sides.
@@francesbernard2445 You don’t have to tell me. I dated and was in love with an alcoholic for a couple years and it definitely changed me during that time and I hated myself. I’m so glad I got out
Y'all do realize it's normal to use recreational drugs?
Some of use CAN do that. Especially at a party, MDMA, from experience, should never cause violence or even wanting to be violated.
@@francesbernard2445 you're comparing a male using steroids to a female using MDMA....
Interesting
I appreciate all your views on every case I’ve watched. Very informative. I would love to see your take on the case of young Gabriel Fernandez…his story continues to haunt me. Thank you.
I was at the University around the time this happened. I didn't know Cayley but a lot of my friends did. The community was totally shaken by her death and moreso by the injustice of the potential perpetrator not being arrested for a long time.
It’s frustrating when they talk about bruising because bruising isn’t really apparent until 1-2 days after sustaining the injury! It’s not surprising bruises weren’t noticeable when she was admitted to the hospital.
Another great video thank you Dr. Grande and happy father's day!
So sad for such a young person.
I think it's time we had a new introduction to your cacti. There's quite a few additions since you last introduced us. There's also a very nice, homemade looking cactus. Oh and the video was very interesting as always. Thanks Dr. G.!
"rough sex or homicide" is a cool band name
Dr. G! Looking sharp in that pink shirt sir! What a heartbreaking story this is! My boyfriend's sister died from a domestic violence incident. He was abusive to her and when she went to divorce him, he killed her (stabbed her to death). He's serving life in prison with no parole. My boyfriend doesn't really like to talk about it because it makes him so upset. It took him six months into even knowing him until he got the courage to tell me about his deceased sister (she was the oldest of six kids.). Women tend to be at higher risk of being killed when they try and leave their abusers sadly. It's hard to say what happened in this case, especially since they were into rough sex/rough stuff to begin with.
Aw I’m so sorry for him. And her. That’s awful but all too common.
Yes. Because women and men perceived as maybe being gay are often being held to much higher standards in some circles aren't they. Probable only because when police are at work it is a only a little harder to arrest men while still trying to collect evidence. Might explain why while the number of gadgets are increasing making it necessary for police to spend more time behind screens where they will not be getting enough exercise the prison population when it comes to females ending up in prison increased at an alarming rate in some states more than others. Leaving so many investigators frustrated that it becomes easier for the lower ranking less dedicated of them to take it out on the nearest alleged female accomplice. However it is true that some female organized crime boss crooks are so much more scary to police than the majority of male crooks because of how much more manipulative and cunning they become when on a criminally minded vendetta to avenge the death of one of their own.
How do we even know they were into rough sex? We buy it bc she was seeing several ppl, but wasn't it just the boyfriebds story
@@emp9413 It was rough sex, according to the boyfriend. Sure, we believe blunt force head trauma until you die is ALWAYS part of rough sex. 🙄
Sadly , entering a relationship, and ESPECIALLY a marriage , increases a woman’s risk of death when she wants to leave. Sadly. 😣😔😞
sometimes when women are in that position they NEver know are blinded, they still seek that sweet person who they believed they were with, and they are scared to leave. I know that even though it is obvious to others it isn't to the victim
& men too! Abuse goes both ways. My ex tried to kill me 2xs. Once with a hammer.
@@mcnally211 wow, it helps to hear about it and I hope it helps for you to talk about it
Another one from the #1 doctor on RUclips. 🤠
Blunt force trauma could be to the back of her head, or any part of her head other than her face. Did the ME give an exact location of the head trauma.
His hand sores are from beating something in anger...like a wall or something.
He freaked out after he took her head and banged it against something and realized he hurt her bad and she was gonna die.
That's when he started hitting something with his hands.
Voluntary Manslaughter.
Great video Dr G, your message at the end really hit home for me personally
Never heard of this case before but now I sure know ALL the details after this Grande review
Same here he brings unknown cases to light
11:50 This is SO important, and perfectly said. The most important message, in 30 seconds. (But keep listening to the end.)
Dr. Grande is the best! I really wish he would do the Robert Wone case, I want to know his mental analysis for those involved! Such a weird case!
Loved the video Dr Grande!!!
Even if Dr. Grandes real name was Dr. Piccolo (meaning small, in Italian). He would still be *Grande* in the way he analyzes these cases with integrity and compassion. I particularly like the analogy of constructing small bombs, which are just as significant as large bombs. No matter the pink shirt, it still stands out amidst the gruelling depravity of the subject matter. A trinity of horror, no doubt.😢🥳😢. Thanks, Doctor. 😢😪😢
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Dr G, would you please delve further into the psyche of people who do "rough sex", and what the appeal is..? I love sex like anyone else; but as a sexual trauma survivor, all of the screaming and banging around of my neighbor who does it literally gives me panic attacks. If I don't wear headphones to sleep I'm sleep deprived and anxiety ridden the following day. Honestly, I fall asleep to the calming sounds of your analyses most nights lately🥺. What could possibly be pleasurable in something that sounds so terrifying?
It's a release for passion like cute aggression. Or on the receiving end makes you feel desired and not in control, like you get surprised.
Great video love how you tell it in such detail
There’s one of my favorite shirts. Dang 500 percent. That’s crazy. There’s no way she could have enjoyed that. It’s horrible. Well done Dr.Grande.
Happy Father's Day, Dr. Grande 🥰 ♥️🥂, I hope your day has been extra special 💞... I'm hoping you can evaluate the trial /jury/situation in the Chris (Kit) Martin triple murder case... The jury just found this man guilty despite all the reasonable doubt, especially with his bonkers of an ex wife whom surely framed him, planted evidence and refused to testify instead she and her spawn pled the 5th 🙄... Ohhhh and the RUclipsr drama concerning Creepshow Art, too long to get into... But yeah... Love you, Dr. G 😘!
Beautiful new mic! And you sound great!
Happy Father’s Day, Dr. Grande! 🖤✨🎉
Super sad ending…🙏♥️✨💔
Hi Dr. Grande, please analyze the Jan Broberg (abducted twice) case.
Love the shirt, Dr Grande!! 💞💕💞
Your voice puts me to sleep. Its all good. Love your videos.
Here from your 'Amityville' and 'Ed & Lorraine Warren' videos and love your points! I like your paranormal explanations in general. Could you look into the case that inspired the Exorcist next??
Every paranormal explanation from the Dr. Is...........
100% Delution....✅
After my sister in-law died from a heart attack she looked like she had been beaten due to hospital staff trying to resuscitate her...
I feel like these people were getting into relationships without proper communication or establishing boundaries...
Happy Fathers Day Dr. G!!!!!
Sunday’s are for Leg Day then Dr Grande and chill
This makes me wonder how the men around her when she was growing up treated her. Like, was she used to being mistreated and she didn't see any cause for concern because it was normal to her? I also wonder why such a beautiful girl who could have literally any man she wanted would choose these two losers?? Why?
There's always a reason.
Crapola is always deterministic.( fate)
Destiny is a discontinuous process and is intuitively directed.
@5:10 again look at the downturned corners of his mouth, Im seeing this feature in many murderers and psychopaths
oh and what happened to the cactus?! I got cacti socks on this morning... cold in Australia !!
Swanky
It certainly is. I wearing bedsocks all the day and night.
'Who's gonna believe me' type of situation... When a testimony sounds ridiculous and inculpatory, it could actually be the truth:
A teacher called me out to explain a bad decision i made. I didnt wanna lie and insult his intellingence. My class mates probably expected me to wiggle out of trouble by lying. I told him what happened and the teacher only said ok. A few moments later i received a note from someone in the class. It said: if you are going to lie, at least learn how it's done. But it was the truth.
I'm not saying the guy is innocent, just that sometimes truth can sound like a bad lie
@Hash Kushum lol
Exactly. Who would offer an improbable explanation and incriminate themselves?
Backhand slapping should not be as hard as regular slapping. It is impractical, but it does keep your partner safer if you get carried away.
Why were the back of his hands red? I dont get that... somebody pulling him by the both of his hands? How does he carry on the assault if both of his hands are tied?
I mean... i think he did it... a healthy young girl dies on a date.. and he had violent past (if i'm not mistaking) and she was playing with him.. there was definitely a motive.
But what if he didnt cause her death?
@Hash Kushum i think i know why his hands were red. Because he got caught. Hmm ☺
@TheHouseOfGames3 well then.. i am definitely glad i dont have to be the judge of that. I'm just speculating what could be happening in a case this 😉
@TheHouseOfGames3 that's true
I love the new little painted cactus! 🌵Those are the type of plants I'm best at caring for. 😂
dr grande should do a affluenza doubleheader. he could combine the similar cases of ethan couch & paul murdaugh, comparing the two
He was insanely jealous and became sadistic, the strangle hold sex might have been the best excuse for him thinking he might get off lightly, anger through jealousy is murder, the first signs woman should look out for to leave a man as soon as possible if he has these traits
Between rough sex and murder is a vast chasm of difference. Her being on xtc does not mean anything, millions of youths are, they don't fall and kill themselves. There is lot of stupidity, wrong choices, irresponsibility in between all of those three young people, but only one murderer.
I like the pink shirt doc! Looks good
Happy Fathers Day by the way Dr G :)))
Isn't it ironic that the "rough sex" defense is used when the woman is the victim?
Seriously???? It's like telling the teacher your dog ate your homework.
It's probably not a good idea to have multiple relationships but definitely not a crime.
Thank you Dr. Grande🪴🪴🪴🪴
And, isn't it ironic that the "rough sex" defense almost always goes along with a crook saying the dead woman was drinking and/or taking legal or illegal drugs? And, isn't it true that the same set of weak excuses are often offered in court too whenever a dead person room mate is a man instead? And so who was for real a lot of the time in crimes like these taking too much drug maybe starting when young for ADHD or MDMA [Ecstacy] for PTSD to make sure the student will please their folks enough with good grades? Researchers in South Carolina have begun experimenting with MDMA for patients with post-traumatic stress disorder.
So true. Imagine a woman using this in defence of murdering a man? She’d be laughed at
"It's probably not a good idea to have multiple relationships but definitely not a crime. "
Well, not a crime, but dumb.
And being dumb can kill you.
@@francesbernard2445 women det victimized 2x. First by the attacker an then by the court system
@@francesbernard2445 the second half of your comment is incoherent. Wtf does MDMA have to do with ADHD meds and a young woman getting murdered?
Me and the Missus must be very vanilla, and gloriously so. The only rough sex going on in our house is when I have had toast in bed and dropped a crumb or two. So I can't imagine having rough sex, let alone, heaven forbid, in a petrol station, or car park, imagine being naked in a car, It's just wrong.
A tragedy and waste of life occurred here, It's just so sad.
Hello Dr. Grande, could you please do a video on Gregory Green?
One of these days we are going to see a saguaro behind Dr. Grande.
If you're game, I'm all in. I'll dig up the saguaro from my mother's yard. Will you rent the flat bed truck?
I had never heard of this case before and I live just outside of San Antonio. Leaving a music festival they thought it was a good idea to go all the way to Houston 3 hours away? AND that stretch of highway 10 is pretty desolate and exiting in the Luling area would give plenty of room to commit a murder
3 hours is for sure too far to risk having to walk home alone when it is already late at night most of all if you are a woman no matter how many people you are travelling with in the same vehicle. Unless you bring enough money for a hotel room to stay in by yourself, bear spray, 24 hour supply of water, mosquito repellent, a duffle bag with a one person tent in it, freeze dried food and your cell phone just in case all of the hotels are already full along the way back and you are very good at running away far enough and long enough for a potential successful attacker to give up just in case after you spy a gun being stashed behind the seat or whatever when a hotel owner as it turns out is running a brothel instead. Once in the early 1950's during the cold war my mother was out on a double date. The driver and the other man present in the vehicle started using coersive control tactics on my mother when she didn't go along with going from only a friend to her date to a romantic couple too like how the other woman was starting to agree to given the way she was responding in kind. The only reason she got away is because after the driver got complacent when believing that when already being up on the side of a mountain while getting closer to a gondola when stopped to go further she surprised them by starting to walk down the mountain herself. Good thing both men then gave up trying to coerce her into starting to go from one bed to another. Otherwise she may have ended up like Caley. Maybe that only had something to do with the fact that she is 6 ft. tall and there was probable 2 women present there too?
Hi Dr. Grande, would love to hear your “speculation” and “observation”on Simon Gittany and the murder of Lisa Harnum. Thank you!
I like this vid. Good insight.
If he (Mark) couldn't have her, nobody could, so he killed her
In my opinion, guilt beyond a reasonable doubt is impossible at this point. That leaves lawyers fighting it out to who will tell the best story. No one should lose their life by imprisonment for a good story. They should drop the charges for now and wait and see if actual evidence comes later. Kaylee's is a sad tale of bad choices that ended her life.
If it was intentional murder or negligent homicide. But he took her life.
@@danielaramburo7648 There is reasonable doubt. We all can have our opinions but in this case there is no more rhan circumstantial evidence and that's debatable. I stayed the facts not my opinion.
Can we get a close up of the purple object behind you?