I've got some specifics as to *how* Generations neutered the Egg Dragoon's music track: -The original's sporadic breakbeat drum n' bass percussion is watered down to an easy-to-follow rhythm with little punch. -The opening melody is no longer performed solely by brass instruments (which bring alarm klaxons to mind), which instead take a backseat to strings, which lack the bright timbre. Speaking of strings... -The high wailing of the violin from the original is cut entirely. Before the original fight even starts, there's a scene where Sonic struggles to find his bearings while in freefall backed solely by the percussion and violin solo, before Eggman descends in time with the song's climax. In Generations, it truly feels like Eggman and Sonic are just going through the motions. No showmanship and no substance, reflected perfectly through this Diet Egg Dragoon track.
I'm personally a fan of the idea that it's more like thus: They're not going through the motions, they're both going for broke. They want to win without question. But they aren't pissed at each other.
Thank you ! I've been saying this for 10 years. It's a dull, by-the-numbers, uneventful chase boss with a really HORRIBLE 2D sidescrolling section in between, and has none of the urgency or umph of the Unleashed version. And the music is utterly degraded. To make it all worse, the final cutscene ends with a stupid Colors quip about "Durrr I beat u evritim like itz muh jawb or smth" to drain any shred of climax away even further.
What I love about Egg Dragoon: 1. The fight in Unleashed seems to be made to kill regular Sonic, since it limits his speed and overall reach. 2. The fight in Generations seems to be made to kill the Werehog since it's about speed and mobility, things that the Werehog lacks. 3. The fight in forces seems to be trash
I like that idea about generations egg dragoon like eggmans biggest problem is he’s so focused on fixing the mistake made at the time that he doesn’t look at the potential situation
I’ve played the Gens version my whole life and I still can’t wrap my head around the fact that Eggman was like “okay so I’m gonna crush him with these WALL JUMP panels because that’ll work well”.
Ok, now I'm imagining the two Bobs walking down Main Street when the Walt Dragoon shows up piloted by Walt's thawed head. "To all who come to this happy place, give up and die already" (fires spike at them).
I think the funny thing is, Eggman built the egg dragoon as a Sonic the HEDGEHOG counter, and data didn’t pick up on Werehog with the use of heavy armour and firepower . Meanwhile he built the machine again in Generations as a Werehog encounter not a Hedgehog one, by applying more mobility and evasive tactics, alongside a freezing weapon to hold him still. Well that’s how I see it.
Doesn't really hold up because the one in Generations isn't a new build of the Egg Dragoon, it's the same one ripped straight from the boss fight in Unleashed. That's a great concept though, I actually love that. Eggman's attempts to one-up Sonic backfire in his face. Shame it's not the case but still very good idea!
@@niknokYT Another cool detail is the fact that in the forces fight you can see quite the few scratches. (I'm guessing this is a reference to the other 2 fights.)
Theres one more slight flaw in this, the PS2/Wii version of the Unleashed Egg Dragoon has a freezing atack, though it's area of effect is considerably bigger than the generations version
Something else too. You probably couldn't have known this if you hadn't played it, but if you take too long to beat Eggman in the original Egg Dragoon fight, Eggman eventually just says fuck it and destroys your last platform, and sends you to the lava below. Killing you and forcing you to restart the whole fight. *And he laughs like an absolute madman right before he does it too.*
i also like how sonic is aware of how little time is left commenting on how few platforms are left with each drop. the last one even has him say something like "its the end of the line" or something acknowledging death is approaching if you cant wrap things up asap
So, in defense of the Egg Dragoon boss fight in Generations. The fire laser *is* used, most videos however don't demonstrate it because Robotnik needs enough time to finish his Ice Shockwave attack in the 3D sections (this includes not grinding on the Rails) to say "BURN!" and use that Arm Cannon properly, which is entirely dependant on if you have Boost or not. In phase 2 same deal. As for his Drill Attack, you *do* actually have to sidestep it because you CANNOT jump over the explosion it causes. The boss fight in Generations *knew* it couldn't match the Story Intensity of Unleashed, and instead went ham in the gameplay department by making the Egg Dragoon a final exam of Modern Sonic's gameplay (which is done fantastically because unlike... Y'know, some Eggman Bosses, you're actually doing something, and the fight can QUICKLY turn sour, I recall losing a lotta lives when I first met this boss, wheras I don't think I could lose to the Unleashed Egg Dragoon once, even casually). 3D sections, 2D sections, Walljumping, Rail Grinding, and Freefalling all in a single boss fight, the Egg Dragoon in Generations is the *real* final boss of that game, the Time Eater is more of a finale.
Just letting you know the Generations version of the Egg Dragoon is piloted by the Eggman who's behind the Time Eater and the events of the game, hence why he's calmer.
makes more sense cuz while in unleashed the dragoon was his last line of defence , in generations he already knows that even if he fails, he still has an even stronger mech to kill Sonic, hell that was probably why he was not serious is forces too,cuz he practically has like a million different death egg robots and infinite .
@Crimson-jf1sl Yeah, it's why the boss itself is also a lot easier despite the Egg Dragoon being built to be the perfect counter to Sonic as he has the power to just undo that loss-
honestly, the egg dragoon is suffering a similar issue to many other things in the meta era which is being brought back for the sake of fanservice without really thinking about why it was so popular Shadow The Hedgehog is an infamous example and Knuckles and Tails were already victims of the issue post-heroes era they kept being brought back bc they were popular characters but they lacked what made them so popular in the first place honestly feels like what happened to the Egg Dragoon
While Egg Dragoon theme still does feel a bit more watered down in generations than unleashed, I still liked that they kept the orchestral feel to it. I think outside of a few level tracks and the final boss fight it is one of the few that doesn’t really incorporate much synth into the theme. Not that synth in music is bad, the rest of generation’s soundtrack is still amazing, but when it comes to the egg dragoon, I feel it’s important to keep that orchestral grandness it had in unleashed because that was part of its identity, which they did do which was more than enough for me to enjoy it in gens despite having removed some really good parts. Now imagine my surprise when it shows up in forces and its theme is now ENTIRELY incorporated of synth and digitized instruments with not a single orchestra instrument to be heard with no grandness or tension in its theme. They really did make the egg dragoon feel like just another eggman mech here
Something I like to think is that the Egg Dragoon in Unleashed isn’t finished and the generations version is the finished product because of the amount of things the generations version can do that the unleashed version can’t and I think it adds to Eggmans desperation for him to use a robot that isn’t even finished yet.
Btw: dragoon is an actual word. from what I could gleam from Wikipedia, it means something akin to artillery or cavalry or special unit etc. essentially meaning “big guns”. If this is true, the egg dragoon would be named so due to its arsenal, being equipped with a fir shooting Gatling/ cryo cannon and a lance/drill launcher. I now contest the title as biggest egg dragoon fan by having simply googled the word dragoon.
........ok then, i guess i take second place! (Because i too googled it out of curiosity) But then again, i kind of assumed dragoon(s) were a thing because I'm also a Yu-Gi-Oh player (and we have plenty of those there)
I like to think that the unleashed dragoon is eggman's flaw of being impatient coming full circle. He rushed the awakening of dark gaia, forceing him to regather it parts. He rushed ejecting sonic into space, neglecting to grab the chaos emeralds. He rushed off after Sonic confronted him in Mazuri, accidentally leading Sonic to the first gaia temple. Things like that just keep happening until he decides to fight sonic in the prototype 1, "prototype", as in it is literally not finished. That may explain things like why the shield generators are in an exposed spot or why the controls can be locked up simply by punching it. Eggman plan was great, but he was too eager to beat Sonic, and he made careless mistakes at nearly every opportunity, leading to his utimate failure.
If you didn't know, the Egg Dragoon fight in Unleashed is actually timed and both Chip and Sonic will get increasingly worried as they run out of "ground" to land on. Eggman even has a special quote if he manages to destroy your last bit of footing: ruclips.net/video/gEBa7-aAXKk/видео.html
The Egg Dragoon was LITERALLY the Final Boss for the Werehog Sonic side of Sonic Unleashed... Its insulting how much they butchered it. They treat it like just a standard Eggman mech, and its pathetic.
Then you remember the warehog is weaker then Sonic Generation modern sonic. generation sonic gens sonic is whooping Unleashed sonic ass keep in mined sonic was abel to take on purfict chaos with no super form the warehog would have not been Abel to take on perfict chaos The egg dragoon is outdated compared to when it took on the warehog it has to take on a more powerful sonic that is not limited by the warehog.
Actually, eggman DOES use the fire strip attack in generations. It just circles around the whole tube and forces you to jump over them if you take too long. I think gens and unleashed respected the robot and understood why it was hype Unleashed is supposed to represent how both sonic and eggman have grown and eggmans involvement in the story. Eggman finally creates eggmanland and finally has the power to rule the world, meanwhile for sonic it represents how the mech he once struggled with now has the ability TO defeat it with a transformation that sonic was first struggling with. Its THE final boss fight for both characters, the culmination of their arcs throughout the game. Meanwhile gens is more of a nod to what the robot was intended to be, the peak anti sonic mech. Now the mech is going faster than sonic always being infront of him, and its finally finished instead of being a prototype. Unfortunately, yes the fight is lessened in intensity because of time eater but i also think its because of unleashed that the fight is the way it is. Now instead of this fear of “oh boy, this eggman mech i fought in the beginning of the game that i needed to go super so i could beat them is now fighting me in werehog form” its instead “I’ve faced you down so i know what i gotta do, but you’re still pretty strong.” Both characters know that this isn’t the same threat as before. Sonic WILL save the world and eggman is fighting just for the satisfaction of finishing his ultimate mech yet which is why he says “I was supposed to beat you this time”. Forces is just disrespectful in every way. Before with how they handled it in gens, MODERN sonic could take it because sonic UNDERSTOOD how to fight it and used his strength to win. No offense to classic but LITERALLY HOW DOES CLASSIC WIN IN THIS SCENARIO?! Its true that sonic overtime has gotten stronger, and because of that he’s able to take larger foes. SO HOW IS CLASSIC SONIC FIGHTING *THE* ANTI SONIC MECH DESIGNED TO COUNTER MODERN SONIC. No dire song to panic to, no engaging challenges that the boss represents, and the dialogue is just a nothing burger. All together Really good video! I do hope you get to play eggdragoon soon!
I got exposed to Dragoon for thr first time in Forces. And I liked it. Went back to Generations and I liked it there as well. Then I looked at Unleashed, and my jaw dropped to the floor.
The Egg Dragoon was designed to counter Sonic the Hedgehog according to Sonic Unleashed. So Werehog vs Dragoon was an easy fight because it wasn’t designed with the Werehog in mind. Still it was a fun boss. The Egg Dragoon in Generations was a harder fight. Mainly because it was designed to beat Morden Sonic. So could someone explain to me why the Egg Dragoon MK 2 can’t held Classic Sonic?
Because that one was an Egg Dragoon created by the Phantom Ruby, and we all know that the Phantom Ruby's creations are quite fragile. An example of that was when Shadow one shotted his Phantom version. The same goes for Phantom Egg Dragoon.
@@Wattson19 The Egg Dragoon isn’t a phantom ruby creation. It just 10% weaker than the one in Generation. While Shadow one shot his fake, Zavok, Metal Sonic, the Final Death Robot, and the Hard Heavy Boiled took effort. Heavy King took Super Sonic to stop.
honestly maybe the same argument could be said for egg dragoon in forces where it didn't perform as well cause it was meant for modern but fought classic
@@memezabelle The way I see it, classic Sonic is a younger inexperienced Modern Sonic. Anything Classic can do, Modern can do as well. Egg Dragoon was started to be designed based on Eggman’s years of research on Sonic. Werehog is different from normal Sonic. While Classic is just a younger Sonic.
Good video! I did spot a minor error here though, Egg Dragoon in Generations DOES fire the red laser that's shown in the opening, he just sometimes never does it. He mainly does this when he splits in two, I think it's more likely to do it if you decide not to jump on the rail and run up close to him, though he can end up doing it either way. Though if you're on hard mode, he goes ham with it like there's no tomorrow! Or at least as I remember it, I used to play the game on my PS3, which means he could have a higher chance of doing it there than on other versions. [likely due to wacky porting, the boss fight is already jank at times, so this doesn't seem entirely unlikely to me]
12:24 That laser eggman shoots out at the beginning of the Generations Egg Dragoon fight actually comes into play a little later in the fight tho very easily avoidable that's all I wanted to say I agree with everything else great video
fun bits about the unleashed dragoon - eggman has not seen the werehog in combat during the entire game. the dragoon was built with only data on regular sonic. likely it was designed to be fast enough to be out of sonic's reach, and even then, the cockpit was the obvious spot to target. if sonic were in his comfort zone he would have gone straight for the cockpit. however, due to his slower speed he had to actually think about his approach. additionally, he would have had a much harder time ripping them out without the stretchy arms. it's seemingly built for range and to be high up as well, taking into account sonic's lack of flight (ignoring how he has all the chaos emeralds here). however, the continent is still floating here, and dark gaia is complete, so all evidence suggests eggman has won, despite sonic's resistance. (side note - if sonic and chip had visited professor pickle one less time they would have gotten there soon enough to prevent dark gaia from being released). however, he seemed to have run out of time to design it since the gens version has the ice feet. canon-wise that was likely a cut feature from the dragoon, but during gens eggman has the opportunity to finish it, although it still wasn't enough. and then he mustve designed the forces version with a brain injury since it completely loses all ferocity and gets beaten by fucking classic sonic. went from one of eggman's greatest creations to a monument to the fuckup that forces was.
The Egg Dragooon in Sonic Generation was an awesome battle, i loved seeing it return and the fight felt more hardcore since it was now fighting Sonic in his normal state. The Sonic Unleashed Egg Dragoon final battle was narratively done well, but as a gamer, the fight was no problem for me. ED in Generations killed me tons of times before i could master that fight without getting hit.
@@Hyp3rSonic I can agree with that, Before that battle, only Sonic 3 and Knux final boss battle had me that hyped. Other hype battles were Sonic Colors final, Sonic Heroes Final, SA1 AND SA2 final battles. Egg Dragoon battle stands out being extra hard with base sonic.
Adding to the point you repeatedly brought up about how the original Egg Dragoon fight had a sense of urgency and desperation about it, it also had a hidden auto-kill attack if the fight carried on for too long, with Eggman destroying the final platform while laughing maniacally and taunting, "There's nowhere left to run! Time to end this, Sonic!" Granted, its rather unlikely that one would even come across it unless they intentionally stalled the fight, given that it takes a little over nine minutes to reach that point, but at least the threat of impending doom was there, which the other two fights seriously lacked. And I also loved the panicked delivery of Eggman's "N-no! The controls won't respond!" line when the Egg Dragoon first started breaking down.
I wasn't expecting anyone to bring that up but it was a nice surprise to see how many platforms there are. I think it's about 4 or 5. Eggman ending the battle after 9ish minutes is rather fitting since in the first game you had a hidden 10 minute timer before the game kills you.
The Egg Dragoon is my favorite Eggman mecha. Is the one that cost me the most to beat and the only one that has actually scared me when it was about to destroy the last rock platform. I love everything about it, and the soundtrack is the most incredible and it matches perfectly the atmosphere. But in Forces... They made it another badnik that can be easily defeated. They broke my heart with it.
They ruined it already in Generations by making it a dull and TEDIOUS chase boss with an awful 2D sidescroll section. And the music is so nerfed. Ending with a lame Colors joke.
More on the beginning part of the Egg Dragoon fight in Sonic Unleashed. To highlight that Sonic COULD die, Eggman literally says to him, “This gorge shall be your tomb!” I found that so cool.
Pretty sure he did use the fire strip attack in Generations. At least in Hard Mode. Also, you have to consider that in that game, the developers had to redesign the boss for a Day Stage. Playing the original boss as Day Sonic wpuld have sucked, especially since it was canonically designed to counter him specifically.
Seriously, he should've played it. Egg Dragoon's fight in Sonic Generations was better *gameplay-wise.* I think the Generations version of the fight was way harder than Unleashed. Egg Dragoon in Generations is using his *laser* attack which is harder than the machine gun in Unleashed.
In Generations, Eggman actually does use that spinning laser thing during the fight, but it's pretty rare for whatever reason. I've only seen him use it twice during my own atrempts, and the 2nd one he just interrupted after one second. I think he only uses it if you're too slow and take too long during the 3D chase parts
Its even worse when they brought it back in Sonic Forces, and you have Classic Sonic take it down literally by throwing rocks at it. (Oh... this is why you only comment AFTER you finish watching the video... you actually covered it).
8:28: We don't talk about the PS2 version. But... it's the Wii version with the motion controls mapped to an analog stick. It's really tough but not in a fun way.
Another cool detail about it is the fact that it uses attacks from the Werehog bosses, the lighting drill is from Dark Guardian, the Ice bomb is from Dark Moray, and the flaming bullets from Dark Gaia Phoenix.
I don’t think you’re really doing the Generations version justice, and I do recommend you play it. Obviously it loses grandiosity the same way every boss but Metal and Silver do, but that’s just symptomatic of putting end-game bosses in Generation’s lack of story. The boss is still animated excellently, and it feels like a real menace. The gun arm is used for an attack! It does a huge rotating-fire-laser-cage thing, and it’s pretty cool. Just about all of the guides on RUclips beat the phase before the attack comes out tho. Shame, as it’s probably his flashiest attack. I think its only real failing is its pacing. There’s a badass attack phase where the top and bottom halves separate and bombard you with ice waves and fire lasers and it’s AWESOME, but if you’re keeping pace with the boss (and especially if you’re using the jump pads that launch you up to the grind rails) he’ll almost never use it. In conclusion, it’s an awesome boss and you should definitely give it a go. It’s a real shame that beating it optimally means you don’t see some of the awesome stuff, and I really wish there were better videos showcasing them.
I like the version of generations egg dragoon, it was originally meant for regular sonic, and so the werehog could just tear it apart and now Eggman got the chance to finish it, it’s no longer a prototype, and regular sonic can fight it Eggman finally gets to see if the egg dragoon could have worked, you can see he’s upset when he says, Wha- no I was supposed to beat you this time! At the end of the boss
16:05 A "dragoon" was a type of mounted infantry that carried blades and firearms and could fight either mounted or dismounted. They were less specialized than traditional cavalry but were faster and cheaper to train and could fill multiple different roles on the field depending on what was needed. It's a fitting name for the Ultra-Hyper Prototype 1 since it's a real swiss army knife of a mech.
Most people don't see this as an icon. I see the egg dragoon as an icon, as someone who first played the Sonic series with Unleashed. I have replayed this game for over 15 years (PS2 save file was corrupted last year and I need to get a disc drive to get a copy I can play the story in now bc mine's got scratches from the amount of times I played it) and one day, while playing it, I noticed something with both the Egg Lancer and the Egg Dragoon. The Egg Lancer, as you stated, cobbles together both the Egg Beetle and Egg Devil Ray (tysm for noticing it), but what isn't really talked about is the Egg Dragoon does something similar, at least in PS2/Wii versions. The three attacks when he's not breaking the platform are ALL BASED OFF OF THE PRIOR THREE NIGHTTIME BOSSES. The fireball projectiles that home in on you just like the feathers of the Dark Gaia Phoenix, the icy blasts the Dark Moray charges up at you that can freeze you are here too, fired as a charged attack from the gun and the electrically charged hammer swing from the Dark Guardian (Sidenote: That boss is PATHETIC, I have a record of UNDER 20 SECONDS on it) translates to the electrically charged drill swipe. And even the drill could be a refrence to the opening cutscene, with the earth broken apart. Just bc we don't have the voice lines PS3 and xbox 360 have (I will get the xbox version one day) it does not downplay the epicness factor, especcially as you get TWO CHANCES to regain lost health (rings) and they're when you're freefalling I have never played Generations, but the boss fight looks tolerable to me Sonic forces just butchered my boy, I literally was like 'I'm disowning this Egg Dragoon fight' as soon as I played it Wyvern from Frontiers... Well, it's too similar to be a coincidence, right? But if it is actually related, then it's a return to the Unleashed form as the fight was EPIC
Actually, Infinite is supposed to be another Shadow thing (fake memories and a fake past made by Eggman to give him the will to be a seemingly normal mercenary that is oddly way stronger than the rest), except him and his team are made of a weird and possibly digital material (final judgement) before Eggman has his hands on the Ruby, and Eggman’s plans backfired so hard that Infinite almost killed him. He’s an in-between of a mech and an organic lifeform, just like Sage. A great vessel to be fused with the phantom ruby energy.
23:05 the reason why Eggman isn't going all out with the Egg Dragoon is because he's toying with Tails and Classic Sonic. He knows that they know about this plan to pretty much nuke the world, and he doesn't kill them specifically so that they spread what they overheard from him to the resistance, to instil fear
8:40 Those power the shield that surrounds Eggman's protective glass, as the shield goes away after Sonic rips them off. Geez, *I LOVE THIS BOSS WAY TOO MUCH-*
Sonic Generations’ Egg Dragoon is in my opinion a great boss battle. In Unleashed its intensity came from the setting and dialogue. In generations this intensity comes from the mechanics. The boss fight is like a final checklist testing to see if you understand the different mechanics you learn over the course of the game for controlling modern sonic. When watching gameplay of the fight a lot of this is lost but when actually fighting it you kinda understand. Sonic Generations is one of my favorite sonic games and i have really fond memories of playing it when it first came out. The bosses in Generations exist sort of in a vacuum when you fight then but I feel the game does a good job of recontextualizing the boss fights
I played Sonic Unleashed on the Wii first when I was a kid and played the shit out of all the night time bosses in that game and after years of listening to that line 8:13 “You Little, YOU LITTLE” when I played the HD version for the first time, I couldn’t quite pin point what was missing from the boss fight and That was it! Hearing only the first part it always felt incomplete lol. Thank you for reminding me!
One little mistake that you made: Eggman can use the fire strip in generations. You only showed footage while being on the rails and since eggman knows he can’t hit you there with the fire strip he doesn’t use it. But while running on the ground he can say something like: „Burn, burn to ashes“ and use the fire strip. Later when you already did a lot of damage he starts using the split attack where he splits his mech to use the ice and fire attack simultaneously.
Darn, I was expecting a remark on eggman's final line in unleashed that he uses when you actually run out of time and die by falling into the earth's core I find it really interesting that he specifically says that there's nowhere left to run given how running is sonic's thing. But yeah no remorse or sadness like back in SA 2, nah it's over for sonic and you can clearly hear eggman laughing for that
Same boat on never getting to Egg Dragoon in Unleashed, but the fight in Generations is actually my favorite boss fight in the game. I remember playing it about 3 time a day. I think it might be the fun aspect, that Sonic and Eggman were having fun. I get that it's not as serious as the original fight, but it's not supposed to be. The Eggman in in Generations isn't livid anymore, it's the 300 IQ Eggman that's planning to lose the battle for the war The Dragoon fight in Forces, however, was irresponsible.
In the og dragoon theme, there was a subtle droning violin that added a sort of urgency, and the main trmpet sounded quicker and sharper. In the genorations version, the violin was replaced by a deep tuba, almost as if to give off a sort of grandiose feel while the trumpet sounds smoother and less panicked While firces dragoon... it's forces 90% of the music in that game is synthesizers
What I can say about each version of the egg dragoon is that eggman is increasingly calmer, and the most remembered thing about the first battle is that he was completely unhinged and even more so with the original theme you could tell this, given the fact that eggman He rushed and used a prototype before fully testing the robot, I feel that the next one in generations was the full version of this plus it added more functions to defeat Sonic. In generations this essence is completely lost but it is complemented by the fact that Eggman now improved it and even if he loses, he knows that he has a time eater for later, literally the guy improved the egg dragoon for this fight and this is completely ruined in the execution of the battle for the rails that leaves all the creative attacks such as the lines of fire or the freezing rays that he launches from his feet in the background. In Forces it is more or less explained why he is so degraded taking into account the dialogue that he lost 10% of his abilities but Tails calls him a liar, maybe this egg dragoon is only what Eggman was able to restore from the original and it is not complete , it lost all the charisma and could have been more creative about it with this issue, I only feel the essence that Eggman once again uses an incomplete robot to defeat Sonic but this is lost since it is classic Sonic and how the execution of the boss is very disappointing
Excellent video. Just one thing I wanted to point out: back in Unleashed, Eggman promised to build a "Prototype 2", and he actually kept that promise. If you examine the Egg Dragoon from Generations, you will notice that it's not the same robot. It's way bigger and has new attacks, which serves as a clue to Eggman's involvement in the overall plot, since the only bosses with strange changes are the Death Egg Robot (is way bigger than the Sonic 2 one) and the Egg Dragoon. But other thing that you can notice in Sonic Forces is that the model of the Egg Dragoon is slightly dirty and is identical to the model we see in Generations, showing that Eggman didn't even bother to fix it properly, so he quite literally did Egg Dragoon dirty.
You know Dragoon is a military unit, right? Specifically they are a type of cavalry that would wield both lances and guns. So given its armament, the name actually fits.
The egg dragoon is one of if not my favorite boss fight in sonic history! The story behind it, almost feeling like the wrap up to Sonic adventure 1 and 2 with the giant tentacle god and BLOWING UP THE PLANET instead of the moon. The falling to the core, the music, the dialogue EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS FIGHT IS JUST UGHHH SO GOOD. And it was bastardized... Hell, even the fact that you fight this thing RIGHT after beating Egg man land, a level that'll take most beginners AN HOUR to beat! (I love eggman land, favorite sonic stage of all time fr)
Only thing I disagree with is 4:18 . The og Death Egg Robot theme actually sounds intimidating and that it’s the end of your journey while the Generations one sounds like a Netflix adaptation. I feel this way about a lot of the Generations OST. That’s how I interpret it anyway.
16:36 That's what happens when you switch from a real life orchestra to digital instruments. Another example: Unleashed VS Generations Rooftop Run. It's just not the same
My favorite eggman boss fight is the egg dragoon in sonic generations. everything about the fight was just cool. And i could honestly replay the boss fight as much as i wanted.
16:42 the problem is that they’ve gotten rid of the tense high string section in the background and used less aggressive brass instruments for the rest of it, gives the track less punch
this is truly me when i am engaging in combat with a man named Dr. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik who is piloting a large floating mech covered in spikes with a gun and drill titled the Ultra Hyper Prototype 1 otherwise known as the Egg Dragoon whilst plummeting rapidly into the core of the earth
The musical difference you’re noticing is the violin shrills in the background that aren’t present in Generations. Probably done because you aren’t falling into the Earth’s core anymore
with the theme, its because unleashed's version has the violins in the background, increasing that feeling of tension and anxiety, while gens drops the violins for horns.
Glad i'm not the only one absolutely in love with this boss. I'm a massive Eggman Empire fan in general, but the Egg Dragoon is legit peak boss design. Even if its easy in all of its iterations, the way it feels to fight against and the amount of effort put into its presentation will always have me coming back for more. No Sonic Team, I will never, EVER consider Forces canon, no matter how hard Ian Flynn wants it to be...
Nice video, although the egg dragoon does fire it's laser at Sonic in generations, it's just that most videos don't show it because the attack is canceled if you get to the 2d section.
Honestly Egg Dragoon is MY personal favourite Egg Weapon Eggman has created, and while I wish it could return from time to time, I do hope it returns with glory
Imma say it. I really like Eggman land and feel like it's the perfect partner for Egg Dragoon. Eggman has been talking about Eggman land for over 10 years at this point. And when you finally get to the end of the marathon you see this beast of a Mecha. Probably Eggman's coolest mecha. It doesn't look like his other mechas. And the soundtrack is amazing. The beats intense and bombastic, constantly ebbing and flowing. Remember your falling to the earths core. This is do or die. It's a perfect fusion of cinematic and gameplay. You may or may not know, but the boss is "timed." In the second phase, eggman will intermittently destroy the stage. Till leaving you with just one. At which point desperately Chip and Sonic will point out it's the end of the road. If you still fail to beat him, he will destroy the stage and you will die. I will say this in defense of generations. I think the change of theme is just to the dynamic of the fight. Now being a high speed chase, instead of a 1v1 brawl. Frontiers is just bad lol. Reskin it as a Random Giant Egg pawn, and there would be no difference. Nothing about this is Egg Dragoon. I hope they don't try and "normalize" it as just another mech he always has on standby like his Eggmobile
To me. It feels like the Generations Egg Dragoon is built for Werehog Sonic, while the Unleashed version is built for Boost Sonic. But that's just me so.
I have a feeling that Sonic Superstars boss designers were forced to watch the last bit of this video on repeat in the background while designing bosses.
the egg dragoon is probably my fav boss in all of sonic, its such a killer design and just speaks volumes of the atmosphere in unleashed and generations, that- and the music goes CRAZY
16:57 You know, I'd argue that the intensity is lesser because Sonic, having already fought these bosses before, isn't as worried about them as he was the first time. But, that's just my guess. I mean, I feel the same could be said for Perfect Chaos and "Open Your Heart".
I really like how Dr. Eggman is really pissed at this point; he won, he beat sonic and built his empire just for Sonic to tear it down, he’s officially lost it and it shows.
I'm so glad you made this video. The Egg Dragoon is my favorite Sonic boss in so many criteria. Like you said, I love the atmosphere SO so much. Sonic in his more aggressive Werehog form, having destroyed the mechanical paradise his nemesis has spent so many years trying to realize, careening down towards the center of the earth on rubble as Eggman is so mad he's no longer toying around with their rivalry as usual, actually fighting to kill for once. Outside the classics, this is the first time it feels like Sonic and Eggman are truly and earnestly giving it their all against each other, going head to head purely for the sakes of their egos and hatred for each other in that moment. They are no longer obstacles in each others' way; they themselves ARE the final objective. It's exhilarating. And musically? It's my favorite boss theme of all time. I fell in love the first time I heard it as a kid, and that love has only gotten stronger with time. I even appreciate the Generations remix; it's inferior to the original, but I love the song so much that I will graciously take any crumbs, any remix and mashup I can get my hands on, official or fanmade, to experience my favorite boss battle song in a new way. So imagine my utter disappointment when my favorite Sonic boss was announced to be returning in Forces, only for it to be reduced to the disappointment it was, and its theme NOT EVEN BEING A REMIX OF THE ORIGINAL SONG. Glad there are other Egg Dragoon lovers like me out there. Even if it never returns, I do hope we get a Sonic/Eggman clash as heated as this one again someday, and with a theme on par with, if not surpassing, the Egg Dragoon's.
A thing i love with egg dragoon is just the whole purpose behind it. At this point in the series, eggman has had enough of sonic, even says during the fight “just give up and DIE already”. He isn’t holding back, he wants Sonic DEAD, all his work, all his plans, to him this is his magnum opus, his ultimate weapon. And sonic knows this too, no quips, no jokes, this is serious. Even the setting, a platform falling into the very core of the earth, this is it, he wants you dead. This is between sonic and eggman, one last fight, eggman has sonic where he wants him, and the only way out of this is through HIM
I think the Egg Dragoon can work as reoccuring machine, simply because it was Eggman's mech that got the closest to killing Sonic. They just need to improve it between games. Generations did it really well and showed how an upgrade for it can look like. And who knows, maybe at one point, it will be the final boss with a not just good boss fight, but the best Sonic has ever seen
There’s a really interesting fact about the fight in Unleashed HD a lot of people would miss: you’re actually on a timer to beat Eggman. Through out the fight, Eggman will use his drill missile to destroy the platform you’re standing on. If you take too long, you’ll eventually run out of platforms and Eggman gives a terrifying victory speech. “Ga hahaha! There’s nowhere left to run! It’s time to end this, Sonic!”
12:52 "somehow misses in pointblank range" actually he missed on purpose. in the IDW comics (which are canon by the way) dr.Starline tried to kill sonic with a bomb trap. eggman got furrious at Starline. his exact conversation was: -HOW DARE YOU! -B-but he is gone now! he can't get in the way of your plans. -the hedghog is MINE to destroy, it is not the work of an upstart like you. I could carpet bomb him any day! that's not enough-that's not the point! I have to BEAT HIM! I have to prove I am SUPERIOR! There is a right and a wrong way to vanquish your life-long nemesis, and you did it very, VERY WRONG!
Fun fact: computers and robots start counting from 0, so the first one being the ultra hyper prototype 0 is actually not only plausible, but HIGHLY probable, as programmers also sometimes start with 0 too!
Im late but fun fact about the generations fight, if you look out the window youll he able to see the platform that where sonic snd eggman fought on back in unleashed
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I've got some specifics as to *how* Generations neutered the Egg Dragoon's music track:
-The original's sporadic breakbeat drum n' bass percussion is watered down to an easy-to-follow rhythm with little punch.
-The opening melody is no longer performed solely by brass instruments (which bring alarm klaxons to mind), which instead take a backseat to strings, which lack the bright timbre. Speaking of strings...
-The high wailing of the violin from the original is cut entirely. Before the original fight even starts, there's a scene where Sonic struggles to find his bearings while in freefall backed solely by the percussion and violin solo, before Eggman descends in time with the song's climax.
In Generations, it truly feels like Eggman and Sonic are just going through the motions. No showmanship and no substance, reflected perfectly through this Diet Egg Dragoon track.
That's some awesome insight, thank you!
Forces did worse than generations
I'm personally a fan of the idea that it's more like thus:
They're not going through the motions, they're both going for broke. They want to win without question.
But they aren't pissed at each other.
Thank you ! I've been saying this for 10 years. It's a dull, by-the-numbers, uneventful chase boss with a really HORRIBLE 2D sidescrolling section in between, and has none of the urgency or umph of the Unleashed version. And the music is utterly degraded.
To make it all worse, the final cutscene ends with a stupid Colors quip about "Durrr I beat u evritim like itz muh jawb or smth" to drain any shred of climax away even further.
@@derautisadrianos7050 Yes, but Generations was already a massive downgrade.
What I love about Egg Dragoon:
1. The fight in Unleashed seems to be made to kill regular Sonic, since it limits his speed and overall reach.
2. The fight in Generations seems to be made to kill the Werehog since it's about speed and mobility, things that the Werehog lacks.
3. The fight in forces seems to be trash
Or you could say for forces, he didn’t think he’d have to hit a small target
@@JordanDraws2005 With spray, it is more difficult to hit a big roach or a small roach?
Literally no reason to use it in Forces except for fanservice
I like that idea about generations egg dragoon like eggmans biggest problem is he’s so focused on fixing the mistake made at the time that he doesn’t look at the potential situation
I’ve played the Gens version my whole life and I still can’t wrap my head around the fact that Eggman was like “okay so I’m gonna crush him with these WALL JUMP panels because that’ll work well”.
Imagine you destroy Disneyland and Walt Disney himself comes to destroy you in a mech like bruh
The Walt Whoopin'
Ok, now I'm imagining the two Bobs walking down Main Street when the Walt Dragoon shows up piloted by Walt's thawed head.
"To all who come to this happy place, give up and die already" (fires spike at them).
@@GmodDieselthe martial Micky
@@bennittotheburrito9606Disney Deathmatch
A Disney themed mech.
I think the funny thing is, Eggman built the egg dragoon as a Sonic the HEDGEHOG counter, and data didn’t pick up on Werehog with the use of heavy armour and firepower . Meanwhile he built the machine again in Generations as a Werehog encounter not a Hedgehog one, by applying more mobility and evasive tactics, alongside a freezing weapon to hold him still. Well that’s how I see it.
Doesn't really hold up because the one in Generations isn't a new build of the Egg Dragoon, it's the same one ripped straight from the boss fight in Unleashed.
That's a great concept though, I actually love that. Eggman's attempts to one-up Sonic backfire in his face. Shame it's not the case but still very good idea!
@@niknokYT Another cool detail is the fact that in the forces fight you can see quite the few scratches. (I'm guessing this is a reference to the other 2 fights.)
@@niknokYTactually there are differences
The generations one has a tail and had two cockpits, the unleashed ones didn’t have those.
@@niknokYTit is the case
Theres one more slight flaw in this, the PS2/Wii version of the Unleashed Egg Dragoon has a freezing atack, though it's area of effect is considerably bigger than the generations version
Something else too. You probably couldn't have known this if you hadn't played it, but if you take too long to beat Eggman in the original Egg Dragoon fight, Eggman eventually just says fuck it and destroys your last platform, and sends you to the lava below. Killing you and forcing you to restart the whole fight. *And he laughs like an absolute madman right before he does it too.*
i also like how sonic is aware of how little time is left commenting on how few platforms are left with each drop. the last one even has him say something like "its the end of the line" or something acknowledging death is approaching if you cant wrap things up asap
Really shows how much of a hero sonic is, he throws Eggman up while Eggman will shoot sonic down
So, in defense of the Egg Dragoon boss fight in Generations.
The fire laser *is* used, most videos however don't demonstrate it because Robotnik needs enough time to finish his Ice Shockwave attack in the 3D sections (this includes not grinding on the Rails) to say "BURN!" and use that Arm Cannon properly, which is entirely dependant on if you have Boost or not. In phase 2 same deal. As for his Drill Attack, you *do* actually have to sidestep it because you CANNOT jump over the explosion it causes. The boss fight in Generations *knew* it couldn't match the Story Intensity of Unleashed, and instead went ham in the gameplay department by making the Egg Dragoon a final exam of Modern Sonic's gameplay (which is done fantastically because unlike... Y'know, some Eggman Bosses, you're actually doing something, and the fight can QUICKLY turn sour, I recall losing a lotta lives when I first met this boss, wheras I don't think I could lose to the Unleashed Egg Dragoon once, even casually). 3D sections, 2D sections, Walljumping, Rail Grinding, and Freefalling all in a single boss fight, the Egg Dragoon in Generations is the *real* final boss of that game, the Time Eater is more of a finale.
It alsow has a split atack where it splits in to the litel mech and shuts ice and the fier laser
The way I dodged those drill explosions was jumping so this kinda confuses me
Just letting you know the Generations version of the Egg Dragoon is piloted by the Eggman who's behind the Time Eater and the events of the game, hence why he's calmer.
makes more sense cuz while in unleashed the dragoon was his last line of defence , in generations he already knows that even if he fails, he still has an even stronger mech to kill Sonic, hell that was probably why he was not serious is forces too,cuz he practically has like a million different death egg robots and infinite .
Oh really?
@Crimson-jf1sl Yeah, it's why the boss itself is also a lot easier despite the Egg Dragoon being built to be the perfect counter to Sonic as he has the power to just undo that loss-
honestly, the egg dragoon is suffering a similar issue to many other things in the meta era which is being brought back for the sake of fanservice without really thinking about why it was so popular Shadow The Hedgehog is an infamous example and Knuckles and Tails were already victims of the issue post-heroes era they kept being brought back bc they were popular characters but they lacked what made them so popular in the first place honestly feels like what happened to the Egg Dragoon
While Egg Dragoon theme still does feel a bit more watered down in generations than unleashed, I still liked that they kept the orchestral feel to it. I think outside of a few level tracks and the final boss fight it is one of the few that doesn’t really incorporate much synth into the theme. Not that synth in music is bad, the rest of generation’s soundtrack is still amazing, but when it comes to the egg dragoon, I feel it’s important to keep that orchestral grandness it had in unleashed because that was part of its identity, which they did do which was more than enough for me to enjoy it in gens despite having removed some really good parts.
Now imagine my surprise when it shows up in forces and its theme is now ENTIRELY incorporated of synth and digitized instruments with not a single orchestra instrument to be heard with no grandness or tension in its theme. They really did make the egg dragoon feel like just another eggman mech here
Something I like to think is that the Egg Dragoon in Unleashed isn’t finished and the generations version is the finished product because of the amount of things the generations version can do that the unleashed version can’t and I think it adds to Eggmans desperation for him to use a robot that isn’t even finished yet.
He did call it prototype after all
Btw: dragoon is an actual word. from what I could gleam from Wikipedia, it means something akin to artillery or cavalry or special unit etc. essentially meaning “big guns”. If this is true, the egg dragoon would be named so due to its arsenal, being equipped with a fir shooting Gatling/ cryo cannon and a lance/drill launcher.
I now contest the title as biggest egg dragoon fan by having simply googled the word dragoon.
........ok then, i guess i take second place! (Because i too googled it out of curiosity)
But then again, i kind of assumed dragoon(s) were a thing because I'm also a Yu-Gi-Oh player (and we have plenty of those there)
I like to think that the unleashed dragoon is eggman's flaw of being impatient coming full circle. He rushed the awakening of dark gaia, forceing him to regather it parts. He rushed ejecting sonic into space, neglecting to grab the chaos emeralds. He rushed off after Sonic confronted him in Mazuri, accidentally leading Sonic to the first gaia temple. Things like that just keep happening until he decides to fight sonic in the prototype 1, "prototype", as in it is literally not finished. That may explain things like why the shield generators are in an exposed spot or why the controls can be locked up simply by punching it. Eggman plan was great, but he was too eager to beat Sonic, and he made careless mistakes at nearly every opportunity, leading to his utimate failure.
Oh that is awesome, I like that interpretation VERY much.
you get the “most entertaining and informative egg dragoon video” award
seriously though this was great, totally subscribing
Thanks!
If you didn't know, the Egg Dragoon fight in Unleashed is actually timed and both Chip and Sonic will get increasingly worried as they run out of "ground" to land on. Eggman even has a special quote if he manages to destroy your last bit of footing: ruclips.net/video/gEBa7-aAXKk/видео.html
What if in the generations fight you are running on the walls of unleashed egg dragoon fight
The Egg Dragoon was LITERALLY the Final Boss for the Werehog Sonic side of Sonic Unleashed... Its insulting how much they butchered it. They treat it like just a standard Eggman mech, and its pathetic.
Then you remember the warehog is weaker then Sonic Generation modern sonic. generation sonic gens sonic is whooping Unleashed sonic ass keep in mined sonic was abel to take on purfict chaos with no super form the warehog would have not been Abel to take on perfict chaos
The egg dragoon is outdated compared to when it took on the warehog it has to take on a more powerful sonic that is not limited by the warehog.
They should’ve made eggman take the chaos emeralds and use them and turn into a new, NOT super, form
Actually, eggman DOES use the fire strip attack in generations. It just circles around the whole tube and forces you to jump over them if you take too long.
I think gens and unleashed respected the robot and understood why it was hype
Unleashed is supposed to represent how both sonic and eggman have grown and eggmans involvement in the story. Eggman finally creates eggmanland and finally has the power to rule the world, meanwhile for sonic it represents how the mech he once struggled with now has the ability TO defeat it with a transformation that sonic was first struggling with. Its THE final boss fight for both characters, the culmination of their arcs throughout the game.
Meanwhile gens is more of a nod to what the robot was intended to be, the peak anti sonic mech. Now the mech is going faster than sonic always being infront of him, and its finally finished instead of being a prototype. Unfortunately, yes the fight is lessened in intensity because of time eater but i also think its because of unleashed that the fight is the way it is. Now instead of this fear of “oh boy, this eggman mech i fought in the beginning of the game that i needed to go super so i could beat them is now fighting me in werehog form” its instead “I’ve faced you down so i know what i gotta do, but you’re still pretty strong.” Both characters know that this isn’t the same threat as before. Sonic WILL save the world and eggman is fighting just for the satisfaction of finishing his ultimate mech yet which is why he says “I was supposed to beat you this time”.
Forces is just disrespectful in every way. Before with how they handled it in gens, MODERN sonic could take it because sonic UNDERSTOOD how to fight it and used his strength to win. No offense to classic but LITERALLY HOW DOES CLASSIC WIN IN THIS SCENARIO?! Its true that sonic overtime has gotten stronger, and because of that he’s able to take larger foes. SO HOW IS CLASSIC SONIC FIGHTING *THE* ANTI SONIC MECH DESIGNED TO COUNTER MODERN SONIC. No dire song to panic to, no engaging challenges that the boss represents, and the dialogue is just a nothing burger.
All together Really good video! I do hope you get to play eggdragoon soon!
Damn, some great points raised here!
I got exposed to Dragoon for thr first time in Forces. And I liked it. Went back to Generations and I liked it there as well. Then I looked at Unleashed, and my jaw dropped to the floor.
The Egg Dragoon was designed to counter Sonic the Hedgehog according to Sonic Unleashed. So Werehog vs Dragoon was an easy fight because it wasn’t designed with the Werehog in mind. Still it was a fun boss.
The Egg Dragoon in Generations was a harder fight. Mainly because it was designed to beat Morden Sonic.
So could someone explain to me why the Egg Dragoon MK 2 can’t held Classic Sonic?
Because that one was an Egg Dragoon created by the Phantom Ruby, and we all know that the Phantom Ruby's creations are quite fragile. An example of that was when Shadow one shotted his Phantom version. The same goes for Phantom Egg Dragoon.
@@Wattson19 The Egg Dragoon isn’t a phantom ruby creation. It just 10% weaker than the one in Generation. While Shadow one shot his fake, Zavok, Metal Sonic, the Final Death Robot, and the Hard Heavy Boiled took effort. Heavy King took Super Sonic to stop.
honestly maybe the same argument could be said for egg dragoon in forces where it didn't perform as well cause it was meant for modern but fought classic
@@memezabelle The way I see it, classic Sonic is a younger inexperienced Modern Sonic. Anything Classic can do, Modern can do as well. Egg Dragoon was started to be designed based on Eggman’s years of research on Sonic.
Werehog is different from normal Sonic. While Classic is just a younger Sonic.
Classic never directly harmed the Egg Dragoon Mk. 2 though. He just chucked rocks at the mech in the distance.
Good video! I did spot a minor error here though, Egg Dragoon in Generations DOES fire the red laser that's shown in the opening, he just sometimes never does it. He mainly does this when he splits in two, I think it's more likely to do it if you decide not to jump on the rail and run up close to him, though he can end up doing it either way. Though if you're on hard mode, he goes ham with it like there's no tomorrow! Or at least as I remember it, I used to play the game on my PS3, which means he could have a higher chance of doing it there than on other versions. [likely due to wacky porting, the boss fight is already jank at times, so this doesn't seem entirely unlikely to me]
12:24 That laser eggman shoots out at the beginning of the Generations Egg Dragoon fight actually comes into play a little later in the fight tho very easily avoidable that's all I wanted to say I agree with everything else great video
fun bits about the unleashed dragoon - eggman has not seen the werehog in combat during the entire game. the dragoon was built with only data on regular sonic. likely it was designed to be fast enough to be out of sonic's reach, and even then, the cockpit was the obvious spot to target. if sonic were in his comfort zone he would have gone straight for the cockpit. however, due to his slower speed he had to actually think about his approach. additionally, he would have had a much harder time ripping them out without the stretchy arms. it's seemingly built for range and to be high up as well, taking into account sonic's lack of flight (ignoring how he has all the chaos emeralds here). however, the continent is still floating here, and dark gaia is complete, so all evidence suggests eggman has won, despite sonic's resistance. (side note - if sonic and chip had visited professor pickle one less time they would have gotten there soon enough to prevent dark gaia from being released). however, he seemed to have run out of time to design it since the gens version has the ice feet. canon-wise that was likely a cut feature from the dragoon, but during gens eggman has the opportunity to finish it, although it still wasn't enough. and then he mustve designed the forces version with a brain injury since it completely loses all ferocity and gets beaten by fucking classic sonic. went from one of eggman's greatest creations to a monument to the fuckup that forces was.
Egg Dragoon intro Cutscene "Hyper Prototype"
Egg Dragoon Boss Fight "Ultra-Hyper Prototype 1"
Finally someone understands how great that mech is
The Egg Dragooon in Sonic Generation was an awesome battle, i loved seeing it return and the fight felt more hardcore since it was now fighting Sonic in his normal state. The Sonic Unleashed Egg Dragoon final battle was narratively done well, but as a gamer, the fight was no problem for me. ED in Generations killed me tons of times before i could master that fight without getting hit.
The Generations version is the best version(imo)
At least, gameplay-wise
@@Hyp3rSonic I can agree with that, Before that battle, only Sonic 3 and Knux final boss battle had me that hyped. Other hype battles were Sonic Colors final, Sonic Heroes Final, SA1 AND SA2 final battles. Egg Dragoon battle stands out being extra hard with base sonic.
Unleashed and generations Eggmen are in clearly different situations emotionally and fight wise dawg
Adding to the point you repeatedly brought up about how the original Egg Dragoon fight had a sense of urgency and desperation about it, it also had a hidden auto-kill attack if the fight carried on for too long, with Eggman destroying the final platform while laughing maniacally and taunting, "There's nowhere left to run! Time to end this, Sonic!"
Granted, its rather unlikely that one would even come across it unless they intentionally stalled the fight, given that it takes a little over nine minutes to reach that point, but at least the threat of impending doom was there, which the other two fights seriously lacked.
And I also loved the panicked delivery of Eggman's "N-no! The controls won't respond!" line when the Egg Dragoon first started breaking down.
I wasn't expecting anyone to bring that up but it was a nice surprise to see how many platforms there are. I think it's about 4 or 5. Eggman ending the battle after 9ish minutes is rather fitting since in the first game you had a hidden 10 minute timer before the game kills you.
The Egg Dragoon is my favorite Eggman mecha. Is the one that cost me the most to beat and the only one that has actually scared me when it was about to destroy the last rock platform. I love everything about it, and the soundtrack is the most incredible and it matches perfectly the atmosphere. But in Forces... They made it another badnik that can be easily defeated. They broke my heart with it.
They ruined it already in Generations by making it a dull and TEDIOUS chase boss with an awful 2D sidescroll section. And the music is so nerfed. Ending with a lame Colors joke.
More on the beginning part of the Egg Dragoon fight in Sonic Unleashed. To highlight that Sonic COULD die, Eggman literally says to him, “This gorge shall be your tomb!”
I found that so cool.
10:29 my guy. Generations is 4 HOURS LONG AT MOST! WHAT ARE YOU DOING!?
Pretty sure he did use the fire strip attack in Generations. At least in Hard Mode. Also, you have to consider that in that game, the developers had to redesign the boss for a Day Stage. Playing the original boss as Day Sonic wpuld have sucked, especially since it was canonically designed to counter him specifically.
"I'm the world's biggest Egg Dragoon fan."
So you've never heard of me.
Don't mess with us, Egg Dragoon fans.
We didn't even fight the boss
Seriously, he should've played it. Egg Dragoon's fight in Sonic Generations was better *gameplay-wise.*
I think the Generations version of the fight was way harder than Unleashed.
Egg Dragoon in Generations is using his *laser* attack which is harder than the machine gun in Unleashed.
In Generations, Eggman actually does use that spinning laser thing during the fight, but it's pretty rare for whatever reason. I've only seen him use it twice during my own atrempts, and the 2nd one he just interrupted after one second.
I think he only uses it if you're too slow and take too long during the 3D chase parts
In generations there is a fire attack with the arm, but its late enough into the cycle to where it doesn't show up if you go fast enough.
Its even worse when they brought it back in Sonic Forces, and you have Classic Sonic take it down literally by throwing rocks at it.
(Oh... this is why you only comment AFTER you finish watching the video... you actually covered it).
Fun fact, the Egg Dragoon theme is also a remix of the Deep Core theme (A.K.A Egg Wizard).
8:28: We don't talk about the PS2 version.
But... it's the Wii version with the motion controls mapped to an analog stick. It's really tough but not in a fun way.
Another cool detail about it is the fact that it uses attacks from the Werehog bosses, the lighting drill is from Dark Guardian, the Ice bomb is from Dark Moray, and the flaming bullets from Dark Gaia Phoenix.
I’m really surprised that I ended enjoying a video about only one eggman robot but here we are
I don’t think you’re really doing the Generations version justice, and I do recommend you play it. Obviously it loses grandiosity the same way every boss but Metal and Silver do, but that’s just symptomatic of putting end-game bosses in Generation’s lack of story. The boss is still animated excellently, and it feels like a real menace.
The gun arm is used for an attack! It does a huge rotating-fire-laser-cage thing, and it’s pretty cool. Just about all of the guides on RUclips beat the phase before the attack comes out tho. Shame, as it’s probably his flashiest attack.
I think its only real failing is its pacing. There’s a badass attack phase where the top and bottom halves separate and bombard you with ice waves and fire lasers and it’s AWESOME, but if you’re keeping pace with the boss (and especially if you’re using the jump pads that launch you up to the grind rails) he’ll almost never use it.
In conclusion, it’s an awesome boss and you should definitely give it a go. It’s a real shame that beating it optimally means you don’t see some of the awesome stuff, and I really wish there were better videos showcasing them.
I really hope they buff this boss to make it do the cool stuff more in the remaster
I like the version of generations egg dragoon, it was originally meant for regular sonic, and so the werehog could just tear it apart and now Eggman got the chance to finish it, it’s no longer a prototype, and regular sonic can fight it Eggman finally gets to see if the egg dragoon could have worked, you can see he’s upset when he says,
Wha- no I was supposed to beat you this time! At the end of the boss
16:05 A "dragoon" was a type of mounted infantry that carried blades and firearms and could fight either mounted or dismounted. They were less specialized than traditional cavalry but were faster and cheaper to train and could fill multiple different roles on the field depending on what was needed. It's a fitting name for the Ultra-Hyper Prototype 1 since it's a real swiss army knife of a mech.
Most people don't see this as an icon. I see the egg dragoon as an icon, as someone who first played the Sonic series with Unleashed. I have replayed this game for over 15 years (PS2 save file was corrupted last year and I need to get a disc drive to get a copy I can play the story in now bc mine's got scratches from the amount of times I played it) and one day, while playing it, I noticed something with both the Egg Lancer and the Egg Dragoon. The Egg Lancer, as you stated, cobbles together both the Egg Beetle and Egg Devil Ray (tysm for noticing it), but what isn't really talked about is the Egg Dragoon does something similar, at least in PS2/Wii versions. The three attacks when he's not breaking the platform are ALL BASED OFF OF THE PRIOR THREE NIGHTTIME BOSSES. The fireball projectiles that home in on you just like the feathers of the Dark Gaia Phoenix, the icy blasts the Dark Moray charges up at you that can freeze you are here too, fired as a charged attack from the gun and the electrically charged hammer swing from the Dark Guardian (Sidenote: That boss is PATHETIC, I have a record of UNDER 20 SECONDS on it) translates to the electrically charged drill swipe. And even the drill could be a refrence to the opening cutscene, with the earth broken apart. Just bc we don't have the voice lines PS3 and xbox 360 have (I will get the xbox version one day) it does not downplay the epicness factor, especcially as you get TWO CHANCES to regain lost health (rings) and they're when you're freefalling
I have never played Generations, but the boss fight looks tolerable to me
Sonic forces just butchered my boy, I literally was like 'I'm disowning this Egg Dragoon fight' as soon as I played it
Wyvern from Frontiers... Well, it's too similar to be a coincidence, right? But if it is actually related, then it's a return to the Unleashed form as the fight was EPIC
7:54 THE MORE THE MERRIER
Actually, Infinite is supposed to be another Shadow thing (fake memories and a fake past made by Eggman to give him the will to be a seemingly normal mercenary that is oddly way stronger than the rest), except him and his team are made of a weird and possibly digital material (final judgement) before Eggman has his hands on the Ruby, and Eggman’s plans backfired so hard that Infinite almost killed him.
He’s an in-between of a mech and an organic lifeform, just like Sage. A great vessel to be fused with the phantom ruby energy.
23:05 the reason why Eggman isn't going all out with the Egg Dragoon is because he's toying with Tails and Classic Sonic. He knows that they know about this plan to pretty much nuke the world, and he doesn't kill them specifically so that they spread what they overheard from him to the resistance, to instil fear
8:40 Those power the shield that surrounds Eggman's protective glass, as the shield goes away after Sonic rips them off.
Geez, *I LOVE THIS BOSS WAY TOO MUCH-*
I did notice you caught on... Nice. Well done video by the way.
Sonic Generations’ Egg Dragoon is in my opinion a great boss battle. In Unleashed its intensity came from the setting and dialogue. In generations this intensity comes from the mechanics. The boss fight is like a final checklist testing to see if you understand the different mechanics you learn over the course of the game for controlling modern sonic. When watching gameplay of the fight a lot of this is lost but when actually fighting it you kinda understand. Sonic Generations is one of my favorite sonic games and i have really fond memories of playing it when it first came out. The bosses in Generations exist sort of in a vacuum when you fight then but I feel the game does a good job of recontextualizing the boss fights
Im dragooning, please laugh
I played Sonic Unleashed on the Wii first when I was a kid and played the shit out of all the night time bosses in that game and after years of listening to that line 8:13 “You Little, YOU LITTLE” when I played the HD version for the first time, I couldn’t quite pin point what was missing from the boss fight and That was it! Hearing only the first part it always felt incomplete lol. Thank you for reminding me!
You NEED to actually fight the Egg Dragoon (in Generations)
One little mistake that you made: Eggman can use the fire strip in generations. You only showed footage while being on the rails and since eggman knows he can’t hit you there with the fire strip he doesn’t use it. But while running on the ground he can say something like: „Burn, burn to ashes“ and use the fire strip. Later when you already did a lot of damage he starts using the split attack where he splits his mech to use the ice and fire attack simultaneously.
Darn, I was expecting a remark on eggman's final line in unleashed that he uses when you actually run out of time and die by falling into the earth's core
I find it really interesting that he specifically says that there's nowhere left to run given how running is sonic's thing. But yeah no remorse or sadness like back in SA 2, nah it's over for sonic and you can clearly hear eggman laughing for that
Same boat on never getting to Egg Dragoon in Unleashed, but the fight in Generations is actually my favorite boss fight in the game. I remember playing it about 3 time a day. I think it might be the fun aspect, that Sonic and Eggman were having fun. I get that it's not as serious as the original fight, but it's not supposed to be. The Eggman in in Generations isn't livid anymore, it's the 300 IQ Eggman that's planning to lose the battle for the war
The Dragoon fight in Forces, however, was irresponsible.
In the og dragoon theme, there was a subtle droning violin that added a sort of urgency, and the main trmpet sounded quicker and sharper.
In the genorations version, the violin was replaced by a deep tuba, almost as if to give off a sort of grandiose feel while the trumpet sounds smoother and less panicked
While firces dragoon... it's forces 90% of the music in that game is synthesizers
I really like the egg dragoon too.
What I can say about each version of the egg dragoon is that eggman is increasingly calmer, and the most remembered thing about the first battle is that he was completely unhinged and even more so with the original theme you could tell this, given the fact that eggman He rushed and used a prototype before fully testing the robot, I feel that the next one in generations was the full version of this plus it added more functions to defeat Sonic. In generations this essence is completely lost but it is complemented by the fact that Eggman now improved it and even if he loses, he knows that he has a time eater for later, literally the guy improved the egg dragoon for this fight and this is completely ruined in the execution of the battle for the rails that leaves all the creative attacks such as the lines of fire or the freezing rays that he launches from his feet in the background. In Forces it is more or less explained why he is so degraded taking into account the dialogue that he lost 10% of his abilities but Tails calls him a liar, maybe this egg dragoon is only what Eggman was able to restore from the original and it is not complete , it lost all the charisma and could have been more creative about it with this issue, I only feel the essence that Eggman once again uses an incomplete robot to defeat Sonic but this is lost since it is classic Sonic and how the execution of the boss is very disappointing
In generations the Egg Dragoon does use his gun arm! He even splits into to and shoots ice at you AS WELL AS THE LASERS FROM THE OPENING!
3:42 actually, he may have started with ''Ultra-Hyper Prototype- 0'' like he did with silver sonic, so you're probably right
Excellent video. Just one thing I wanted to point out: back in Unleashed, Eggman promised to build a "Prototype 2", and he actually kept that promise. If you examine the Egg Dragoon from Generations, you will notice that it's not the same robot. It's way bigger and has new attacks, which serves as a clue to Eggman's involvement in the overall plot, since the only bosses with strange changes are the Death Egg Robot (is way bigger than the Sonic 2 one) and the Egg Dragoon. But other thing that you can notice in Sonic Forces is that the model of the Egg Dragoon is slightly dirty and is identical to the model we see in Generations, showing that Eggman didn't even bother to fix it properly, so he quite literally did Egg Dragoon dirty.
You know Dragoon is a military unit, right?
Specifically they are a type of cavalry that would wield both lances and guns.
So given its armament, the name actually fits.
16:06 A "Dragoon" is a type of cavalry soldier.
The egg dragoon is one of if not my favorite boss fight in sonic history! The story behind it, almost feeling like the wrap up to Sonic adventure 1 and 2 with the giant tentacle god and BLOWING UP THE PLANET instead of the moon. The falling to the core, the music, the dialogue EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS FIGHT IS JUST UGHHH SO GOOD. And it was bastardized...
Hell, even the fact that you fight this thing RIGHT after beating Egg man land, a level that'll take most beginners AN HOUR to beat! (I love eggman land, favorite sonic stage of all time fr)
I just found this video and I am so glad someone actually cares about my favorite Sonic boss, both in unleashed and in generations
Dragoon turned into modern death egg robot, when the lost world final boss would be the perfect modern death egg robot
Only thing I disagree with is 4:18 . The og Death Egg Robot theme actually sounds intimidating and that it’s the end of your journey while the Generations one sounds like a Netflix adaptation. I feel this way about a lot of the Generations OST.
That’s how I interpret it anyway.
Just wanted to bring this up Eggman did mention that it was damaged presumably quite heavily when he brings it out just something I want to bring up
18:49 oh cool. You got the Yellow Guy from "Don't Hug Me I'm Scared" to do a cameo voice read for you. Pretty slick bro. Pretty slick.
16:36 That's what happens when you switch from a real life orchestra to digital instruments.
Another example: Unleashed VS Generations Rooftop Run.
It's just not the same
My favorite eggman boss fight is the egg dragoon in sonic generations. everything about the fight was just cool. And i could honestly replay the boss fight as much as i wanted.
apparently "dragoon" means infantry more than literal dragon with fire and scales, so even then it works
16:42 the problem is that they’ve gotten rid of the tense high string section in the background and used less aggressive brass instruments for the rest of it, gives the track less punch
this is truly me when i am engaging in combat with a man named Dr. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik who is piloting a large floating mech covered in spikes with a gun and drill titled the Ultra Hyper Prototype 1 otherwise known as the Egg Dragoon whilst plummeting rapidly into the core of the earth
The musical difference you’re noticing is the violin shrills in the background that aren’t present in Generations. Probably done because you aren’t falling into the Earth’s core anymore
12:29 That's not true. He does have a fire attack similar to the one in the intro (but longer) that comes out of that arm.
Yeah, he does use it. Maybe more often in hard mode, but he does use it in the fight.
9:00 now i'm curious as to what would happen if i missed/ignored the first qte
with the theme, its because unleashed's version has the violins in the background, increasing that feeling of tension and anxiety, while gens drops the violins for horns.
Glad i'm not the only one absolutely in love with this boss. I'm a massive Eggman Empire fan in general, but the Egg Dragoon is legit peak boss design. Even if its easy in all of its iterations, the way it feels to fight against and the amount of effort put into its presentation will always have me coming back for more.
No Sonic Team, I will never, EVER consider Forces canon, no matter how hard Ian Flynn wants it to be...
I vibe with this comment HARD
Nice video,
although the egg dragoon does fire it's laser at Sonic in generations, it's just that most videos don't show it because the attack is canceled if you get to the 2d section.
Honestly Egg Dragoon is MY personal favourite Egg Weapon Eggman has created, and while I wish it could return from time to time, I do hope it returns with glory
Imma say it. I really like Eggman land and feel like it's the perfect partner for Egg Dragoon.
Eggman has been talking about Eggman land for over 10 years at this point. And when you finally get to the end of the marathon you see this beast of a Mecha.
Probably Eggman's coolest mecha. It doesn't look like his other mechas. And the soundtrack is amazing. The beats intense and bombastic, constantly ebbing and flowing. Remember your falling to the earths core. This is do or die. It's a perfect fusion of cinematic and gameplay.
You may or may not know, but the boss is "timed." In the second phase, eggman will intermittently destroy the stage. Till leaving you with just one. At which point desperately Chip and Sonic will point out it's the end of the road. If you still fail to beat him, he will destroy the stage and you will die.
I will say this in defense of generations. I think the change of theme is just to the dynamic of the fight. Now being a high speed chase, instead of a 1v1 brawl.
Frontiers is just bad lol. Reskin it as a Random Giant Egg pawn, and there would be no difference. Nothing about this is Egg Dragoon.
I hope they don't try and "normalize" it as just another mech he always has on standby like his Eggmobile
His Goon Robot!
To me. It feels like the Generations Egg Dragoon is built for Werehog Sonic, while the Unleashed version is built for Boost Sonic. But that's just me so.
I have a feeling that Sonic Superstars boss designers were forced to watch the last bit of this video on repeat in the background while designing bosses.
the egg dragoon is probably my fav boss in all of sonic, its such a killer design and just speaks volumes of the atmosphere in unleashed and generations, that- and the music goes CRAZY
Dragoons were a historical soldier iirc. Not just quirky dragon lol
No hate, btw, just tryin' ta teach.
16:57 You know, I'd argue that the intensity is lesser because Sonic, having already fought these bosses before, isn't as worried about them as he was the first time. But, that's just my guess. I mean, I feel the same could be said for Perfect Chaos and "Open Your Heart".
16:07 That's not what a Dragoon is.
According to Google, it's a British military rank, not a dragon.
I really like how Dr. Eggman is really pissed at this point; he won, he beat sonic and built his empire just for Sonic to tear it down, he’s officially lost it and it shows.
I'm so glad you made this video. The Egg Dragoon is my favorite Sonic boss in so many criteria. Like you said, I love the atmosphere SO so much. Sonic in his more aggressive Werehog form, having destroyed the mechanical paradise his nemesis has spent so many years trying to realize, careening down towards the center of the earth on rubble as Eggman is so mad he's no longer toying around with their rivalry as usual, actually fighting to kill for once.
Outside the classics, this is the first time it feels like Sonic and Eggman are truly and earnestly giving it their all against each other, going head to head purely for the sakes of their egos and hatred for each other in that moment. They are no longer obstacles in each others' way; they themselves ARE the final objective. It's exhilarating.
And musically? It's my favorite boss theme of all time. I fell in love the first time I heard it as a kid, and that love has only gotten stronger with time. I even appreciate the Generations remix; it's inferior to the original, but I love the song so much that I will graciously take any crumbs, any remix and mashup I can get my hands on, official or fanmade, to experience my favorite boss battle song in a new way.
So imagine my utter disappointment when my favorite Sonic boss was announced to be returning in Forces, only for it to be reduced to the disappointment it was, and its theme NOT EVEN BEING A REMIX OF THE ORIGINAL SONG.
Glad there are other Egg Dragoon lovers like me out there. Even if it never returns, I do hope we get a Sonic/Eggman clash as heated as this one again someday, and with a theme on par with, if not surpassing, the Egg Dragoon's.
The egg Dragoon is the most fun design I have ever seen it's very cool to fight the boss in the ending so yeah 💯
A thing i love with egg dragoon is just the whole purpose behind it.
At this point in the series, eggman has had enough of sonic, even says during the fight “just give up and DIE already”. He isn’t holding back, he wants Sonic DEAD, all his work, all his plans, to him this is his magnum opus, his ultimate weapon.
And sonic knows this too, no quips, no jokes, this is serious.
Even the setting, a platform falling into the very core of the earth, this is it, he wants you dead. This is between sonic and eggman, one last fight, eggman has sonic where he wants him, and the only way out of this is through HIM
I think the Egg Dragoon can work as reoccuring machine, simply because it was Eggman's mech that got the closest to killing Sonic. They just need to improve it between games. Generations did it really well and showed how an upgrade for it can look like. And who knows, maybe at one point, it will be the final boss with a not just good boss fight, but the best Sonic has ever seen
There’s a really interesting fact about the fight in Unleashed HD a lot of people would miss: you’re actually on a timer to beat Eggman. Through out the fight, Eggman will use his drill missile to destroy the platform you’re standing on. If you take too long, you’ll eventually run out of platforms and Eggman gives a terrifying victory speech. “Ga hahaha! There’s nowhere left to run! It’s time to end this, Sonic!”
12:52 "somehow misses in pointblank range"
actually he missed on purpose.
in the IDW comics (which are canon by the way) dr.Starline tried to kill sonic with a bomb trap.
eggman got furrious at Starline.
his exact conversation was:
-HOW DARE YOU!
-B-but he is gone now! he can't get in the way of your plans.
-the hedghog is MINE to destroy, it is not the work of an upstart like you.
I could carpet bomb him any day! that's not enough-that's not the point!
I have to BEAT HIM! I have to prove I am SUPERIOR!
There is a right and a wrong way to vanquish your life-long nemesis, and you did it very, VERY WRONG!
I fought ye olde Egg Dragoon in Unleashed definitely was peak and I find myself listening to the music frequently.
Fun fact: computers and robots start counting from 0, so the first one being the ultra hyper prototype 0 is actually not only plausible, but HIGHLY probable, as programmers also sometimes start with 0 too!
Best Eggman Robot
Im late but fun fact about the generations fight, if you look out the window youll he able to see the platform that where sonic snd eggman fought on back in unleashed